From jfq at myuw.net Sat Mar 1 03:03:11 2008 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 00:03:11 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An Amaj7 and an A triad sound exactly the same except the Amaj7 has one extra note that makes it sound slightly more dissonant and complex. It's the jazzier version of the major chord. On Feb 29, 2008, at 8:31 PM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: > As often as not. Usually jazz and not too loud. Since I couldn't > tell an A chord from an Amaj7th, I tend not to get too distracted > by that sort of thing. I have an ipod and I play that at a fairly > low volume and it keeps other, more immediate noises from seeping > in all the way. > > > > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on > AOL Living. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfq at myuw.net Sat Mar 1 03:15:43 2008 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 00:15:43 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. I can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what I'll listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's the smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. I don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on something. I have a few favorites but i like classical more for housework than for doing things that I have to think about. Although, I do like classical music when i'm fiddling around with things with my hands, like building electronics kits or woodworking. I think the selection comes down to what level of distraction I'm looking for. I really can't stand quiet though. Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs I've watched a hundred times and have them going in the background while I'm writing. Just something so that I don't have to listen to the sound of my own heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, traffic and what not. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the ear training work I did in college. I got so used to passively listening for details that I can't really turn it off, so I have to give my ears something to do or they'll get bored start bugging me with incidental nonsense. Hmmm. On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I > don't usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain music > can be rather generative if I listen to it before I write: Miles > Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of > acoustic blues. > > My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm > sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an > Amaj7 or a A13?" Or "What mode is that solo in? Mixolydian?" > Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & lose touch with the > poem. > > What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? If > so, what? > > Jeff Newberry > > -- > "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than > recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." > ?William Faulkner, Light in August > > > http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 08:29:19 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 06:29:19 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60803010529v3b9b19f7ud58077b673672f19@mail.gmail.com> On 2/29/08, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I don't > usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain music can be rather > generative if I listen to it before I write: Miles Davis, Bill Evans, > certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of acoustic blues. > > My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm sitting here, > typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an Amaj7 or a A13?" Or > "What mode is that solo in? Mixolydian?" Then, I'm lost in the composition > of the tune & lose touch with the poem. > > What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? If so, what? Poets are talking about music off or on when they write and I see a conductor raise his baton and come down first beat and a dancer's foot come down too on first beat. This produces a smile as the dancer's feet come down with every beat until she leaps out of the music out of the hall wind leaf weightless motion. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 1 08:42:06 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:42:06 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> Message-ID: My ideal background sound would be solo piano, and distanced in the other room to cut out all other noises. Difficult to find on these radios, as a matter of fact I keep on changing stations which distracts me further. I will have to sit down one day and build my own library, maybe and hopefully. In the meantime I am quite grateful to IcebergRadio pianists section - don't know why they fill it with orchestras: http://www.icebergradio.com/#player/40071 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Quackenbush To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. I can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what I'll listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's the smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. I don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on something. I have a few favorites but i like classical more for housework than for doing things that I have to think about. Although, I do like classical music when i'm fiddling around with things with my hands, like building electronics kits or woodworking. I think the selection comes down to what level of distraction I'm looking for. I really can't stand quiet though. Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs I've watched a hundred times and have them going in the background while I'm writing. Just something so that I don't have to listen to the sound of my own heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, traffic and what not. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the ear training work I did in college. I got so used to passively listening for details that I can't really turn it off, so I have to give my ears something to do or they'll get bored start bugging me with incidental nonsense. Hmmm. On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I don't usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain music can be rather generative if I listen to it before I write: Miles Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of acoustic blues. My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an Amaj7 or a A13?" Or "What mode is that solo in? Mixolydian?" Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & lose touch with the poem. What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? If so, what? Jeff Newberry -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." ?William Faulkner, Light in August http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Mar 1 09:16:08 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:16:08 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> Message-ID: <47C96528.1070408@opus40.org> If you'll accept Jazz solo piano, go to Pandora and set up an Art Tatum station.; Jim C -- loved it. Me -- no music while writing poetry. When I was writing commercial fiction, and we still had LPs, I'd put on an album and challenge myself to write a page before the side ended. Anny Ballardini wrote: > My ideal background sound would be solo piano, and distanced in the > other room to cut out all other noises. Difficult to find on these > radios, as a matter of fact I keep on changing stations which > distracts me further. I will have to sit down one day and build my own > library, maybe and hopefully. In the meantime I am quite grateful to > IcebergRadio pianists section - don't know why they fill it with > orchestras: > http://www.icebergradio.com/#player/40071 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jason Quackenbush > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:15 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? > > I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. > I can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what > I'll listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's > the smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a > couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The > Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or > something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. > Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. > I don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on > something. I have a few favorites but i like classical more for > housework than for doing things that I have to think about. > Although, I do like classical music when i'm fiddling around with > things with my hands, like building electronics kits or > woodworking. I think the selection comes down to what level of > distraction I'm looking for. I really can't stand quiet though. > Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs I've watched a hundred times and > have them going in the background while I'm writing. Just > something so that I don't have to listen to the sound of my own > heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, traffic and what not. I > don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the ear training work I did > in college. I got so used to passively listening for details that > I can't really turn it off, so I have to give my ears something to > do or they'll get bored start bugging me with incidental nonsense. > Hmmm. > On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I >> don't usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain >> music can be rather generative if I listen to it /before/ I >> write: Miles Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain >> brands of acoustic blues. >> >> My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm >> sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that >> an Amaj7 or a A13?" Or "What mode is that solo in? >> Mixolydian?" Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & >> lose touch with the poem. >> >> What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? >> If so, what? >> >> Jeff Newberry >> >> -- >> "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than >> recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." >> ?William Faulkner, Light in August >> >> >> http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From bmarcacci at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 10:43:32 2008 From: bmarcacci at gmail.com (Bob Marcacci) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:43:32 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting question, Jeff... For many years, I had two televisions in my bedroom (don't ask...) and would routinely have them turned on to different programs... a sporting event on one, perhaps, and a series or a movie on the other... at the same time i would listen to the radio, the sounds of all three simultaneously bombarding me... made for a nice mix of noise which tended to create an easel for composition wherein many different words/sounds were colliding... sometimes, it was just too much incomprehesible sound and simply became background noise allowing me to focus on whatever i was doing... I didn't want to fall into what i thought a trap of listening to the same thing all the time, although every method has its own sameness after a turn, i suppose... really, listening to music is just like reading, which tends to rear itself in the work at any given time... I've done the complete opposite, as well, listening to nothing at all... and, of course, the raw sounds of the world are plentiful enough in their mumurous suggestions... When you drift away from the writing and into the musical composition, wondering at the scale and chord progression or whatever, how does that manifest in your work? Does it? -- Bob Marcacci You cannot do a kindness too soon, for you never know how soon it will be too late. - Ralph Waldo Emerson > From: Jeff Newberry > Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:59:31 -0500 > To: NewPoetry > Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? > > Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I don't > usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain music can be rather > generative if I listen to it *before* I write: Miles Davis, Bill Evans, > certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of acoustic blues. > > My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm sitting here, > typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an Amaj7 or a A13?" Or > "What mode is that solo in? Mixolydian?" Then, I'm lost in the composition > of the tune & lose touch with the poem. > > What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? If so, what? > > Jeff Newberry > > -- > "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than recollects, > longer than knowing even wonders." > ?William Faulkner, Light in August > > > http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 1 11:00:03 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:00:03 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <47C96528.1070408@opus40.org> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> <47C96528.1070408@opus40.org> Message-ID: <93731669C9AE4EEE9579DD58491460B3@AnnyPC> Jeex, look at this: Dear Pandora Visitor, We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative. We believe that you are in Italy (your IP address appears to be 82.52.172.138). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support at pandora.com thank you anyhow Tad, ahy poor me, discovered just like that_ I loved the idea of the page ended before the side finished, From: "TheOldMole" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? > If you'll accept Jazz solo piano, go to Pandora and set up an Art Tatum > station.; > > Jim C -- loved it. > > Me -- no music while writing poetry. When I was writing commercial > fiction, and we still had LPs, I'd put on an album and challenge myself to > write a page before the side ended. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: >> My ideal background sound would be solo piano, and distanced in the other >> room to cut out all other noises. Difficult to find on these radios, as a >> matter of fact I keep on changing stations which distracts me further. I >> will have to sit down one day and build my own library, maybe and >> hopefully. In the meantime I am quite grateful to IcebergRadio pianists >> section - don't know why they fill it with orchestras: >> http://www.icebergradio.com/#player/40071 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Jason Quackenbush >> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:15 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? >> >> I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. >> I can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what >> I'll listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's >> the smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a >> couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The >> Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or >> something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. >> Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. >> I don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on >> something. I have a few favorites but i like classical more for >> housework than for doing things that I have to think about. >> Although, I do like classical music when i'm fiddling around with >> things with my hands, like building electronics kits or >> woodworking. I think the selection comes down to what level of >> distraction I'm looking for. I really can't stand quiet though. >> Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs I've watched a hundred times and >> have them going in the background while I'm writing. Just >> something so that I don't have to listen to the sound of my own >> heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, traffic and what not. I >> don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the ear training work I did >> in college. I got so used to passively listening for details that >> I can't really turn it off, so I have to give my ears something to >> do or they'll get bored start bugging me with incidental nonsense. >> Hmmm. >> On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: >> >>> Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I >>> don't usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain >>> music can be rather generative if I listen to it /before/ I >>> write: Miles Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain >>> brands of acoustic blues. >>> >>> My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm >>> sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that >>> an Amaj7 or a A13?" Or "What mode is that solo in? Mixolydian?" >>> Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & >>> lose touch with the poem. >>> >>> What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? If >>> so, what? >>> >>> Jeff Newberry >>> >>> -- >>> "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than >>> recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." >>> ?William Faulkner, Light in August >>> >>> >>> http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From lethas1 at cox.net Sat Mar 1 11:11:11 2008 From: lethas1 at cox.net (Ed) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:11:11 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Ed Roberts Message-ID: <20080301161112.NLOG20314.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Right now I am in the final-edit stage of my 4th poetry collection. (Having 4 editors going over the same book at the same time can really be fun) Shocked I was contacted by Sony about listing my books as e-books in their library for people to be able to download onto their e-book readers, these are being distributed by Border's Bookstores here. I was wondering whether anyone here has had any experience doing this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 170 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alexdickow9 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 11:41:10 2008 From: alexdickow9 at yahoo.com (Alexander Dickow) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:41:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Music while writing? In-Reply-To: <200803011429.m21ETrcO011474@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <131023.93763.qm@web35508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Used to listen to music (pretty much whatever struck my fancy, lyrics or not) while writing, but discovered after a while that it was much more productive to work in silence: music specifically interferes with listening to the poem's rhythm. Sometimes I wish I could listen to music while writing, though! Amicalement, Alex www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Mar 1 11:45:32 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:45:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Ed Roberts In-Reply-To: <20080301161112.NLOG20314.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20080301161112.NLOG20314.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <47C9882C.2090307@opus40.org> This is completely new to me. Let us know what you find out. Ed wrote: > > Right now I am in the final-edit stage of my 4th poetry collection. > (Having 4 editors going over the same book at the same time can really > be fun) Shocked > > I was contacted by Sony about listing my books as e-books in their > library for people to be able to download onto their e-book readers, > these are being distributed by Border's Bookstores here. > > I was wondering whether anyone here has had any experience doing this? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Mar 1 11:45:52 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:45:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <93731669C9AE4EEE9579DD58491460B3@AnnyPC> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> <47C96528.1070408@opus40.org> <93731669C9AE4EEE9579DD58491460B3@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <47C98840.4040500@opus40.org> Well, damn. Anny Ballardini wrote: > Jeex, look at this: > > Dear Pandora Visitor, > > We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, > we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside > of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision > of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to > restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no > other alternative. > > We believe that you are in Italy (your IP address appears to be > 82.52.172.138). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize > and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support at pandora.com > > > > thank you anyhow Tad, > > ahy poor me, discovered just like that_ > > I loved the idea of the page ended before the side finished, > > > From: "TheOldMole" > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? > > >> If you'll accept Jazz solo piano, go to Pandora and set up an Art >> Tatum station.; >> >> Jim C -- loved it. >> >> Me -- no music while writing poetry. When I was writing commercial >> fiction, and we still had LPs, I'd put on an album and challenge >> myself to write a page before the side ended. >> >> Anny Ballardini wrote: >>> My ideal background sound would be solo piano, and distanced in the >>> other room to cut out all other noises. Difficult to find on these >>> radios, as a matter of fact I keep on changing stations which >>> distracts me further. I will have to sit down one day and build my >>> own library, maybe and hopefully. In the meantime I am quite >>> grateful to IcebergRadio pianists section - don't know why they fill >>> it with orchestras: >>> http://www.icebergradio.com/#player/40071 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Jason Quackenbush >>> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views >>> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:15 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? >>> >>> I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. >>> I can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what >>> I'll listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's >>> the smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a >>> couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The >>> Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or >>> something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. >>> Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. >>> I don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on >>> something. I have a few favorites but i like classical more for >>> housework than for doing things that I have to think about. >>> Although, I do like classical music when i'm fiddling around with >>> things with my hands, like building electronics kits or >>> woodworking. I think the selection comes down to what level of >>> distraction I'm looking for. I really can't stand quiet though. >>> Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs I've watched a hundred times and >>> have them going in the background while I'm writing. Just >>> something so that I don't have to listen to the sound of my own >>> heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, traffic and what not. I >>> don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the ear training work I did >>> in college. I got so used to passively listening for details that >>> I can't really turn it off, so I have to give my ears something to >>> do or they'll get bored start bugging me with incidental nonsense. >>> Hmmm. >>> On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: >>> >>>> Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I >>>> don't usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain >>>> music can be rather generative if I listen to it /before/ I >>>> write: Miles Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain >>>> brands of acoustic blues. >>>> >>>> My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm >>>> sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that >>>> an Amaj7 or a A13?" Or "What mode is that solo in? >>>> Mixolydian?" Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & >>>> lose touch with the poem. >>>> >>>> What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? >>>> If so, what? >>>> >>>> Jeff Newberry >>>> >>>> -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes >>>> longer than >>>> recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." >>>> ?William Faulkner, Light in August >>>> >>>> >>>> http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> The moral is this: in American verse, >> The better you are, the pay is worse. >> --Corey Ford >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From cstroffo at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 11:50:46 2008 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:50:46 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> Message-ID: <00B00296-9366-4AF9-81EA-4BCBB7CC1E8B@earthlink.net> Anny---I'd be happy to play solo piano instrumental for you, distanced in the other room while you write... Chris On Mar 1, 2008, at 5:42 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > My ideal background sound would be solo piano, and distanced in the > other room to cut out all other noises. Difficult to find on these > radios, as a matter of fact I keep on changing stations which > distracts me further. I will have to sit down one day and build my > own library, maybe and hopefully. In the meantime I am quite > grateful to IcebergRadio pianists section - don't know why they > fill it with orchestras: > http://www.icebergradio.com/#player/40071 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Quackenbush > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? > > I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. I > can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what I'll > listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's the > smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a > couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The > Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or > something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. > Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. I > don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on something. > I have a few favorites but i like classical more for housework than > for doing things that I have to think about. Although, I do like > classical music when i'm fiddling around with things with my hands, > like building electronics kits or woodworking. I think the > selection comes down to what level of distraction I'm looking for. > I really can't stand quiet though. Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs > I've watched a hundred times and have them going in the background > while I'm writing. Just something so that I don't have to listen to > the sound of my own heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, > traffic and what not. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the > ear training work I did in college. I got so used to passively > listening for details that I can't really turn it off, so I have to > give my ears something to do or they'll get bored start bugging me > with incidental nonsense. Hmmm. > On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I >> don't usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain music >> can be rather generative if I listen to it before I write: Miles >> Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of >> acoustic blues. >> >> My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm >> sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an >> Amaj7 or a A13?" Or "What mode is that solo in? Mixolydian?" >> Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & lose touch with >> the poem. >> >> What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? If >> so, what? >> >> Jeff Newberry >> >> -- >> "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than >> recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." >> ?William Faulkner, Light in August >> >> >> http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 12:01:06 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:01:06 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <00B00296-9366-4AF9-81EA-4BCBB7CC1E8B@earthlink.net> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> <00B00296-9366-4AF9-81EA-4BCBB7CC1E8B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <648208b60803010901x3bad0c37ma918af455abd0619@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/08, Chris Stroffolino wrote: > Anny---I'd be happy to play solo piano instrumental for you, distanced in > the other room while you write... > Shoot, I'll play for her here in Arizona or in Mexico. That's even more distant and would only disturb my closest neighbors. Better yet, listen to the celestial music, though mostly all of it is in B-flat. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ From halvard at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 12:26:09 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:26:09 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <47C96528.1070408@opus40.org> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> <47C96528.1070408@opus40.org> Message-ID: <4E5C6F39-AD28-4A4F-8035-43EA6A119E6E@earthlink.net> They built a fence at the border and Pandora doesn't get down here anymore. Hal "Never eat anything larger than your head." --B. Kliban Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 1, 2008, at 8:16 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > If you'll accept Jazz solo piano, go to Pandora and set up an Art > Tatum station.; > > Jim C -- loved it. > > Me -- no music while writing poetry. When I was writing commercial > fiction, and we still had LPs, I'd put on an album and challenge > myself to write a page before the side ended. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: >> My ideal background sound would be solo piano, and distanced in the >> other room to cut out all other noises. Difficult to find on these >> radios, as a matter of fact I keep on changing stations which >> distracts me further. I will have to sit down one day and build my >> own library, maybe and hopefully. In the meantime I am quite >> grateful to IcebergRadio pianists section - don't know why they >> fill it with orchestras: >> http://www.icebergradio.com/#player/40071 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Jason Quackenbush >> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:15 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? >> >> I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. >> I can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what >> I'll listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's >> the smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a >> couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The >> Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or >> something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. >> Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. >> I don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on >> something. I have a few favorites but i like classical more for >> housework than for doing things that I have to think about. >> Although, I do like classical music when i'm fiddling around with >> things with my hands, like building electronics kits or >> woodworking. I think the selection comes down to what level of >> distraction I'm looking for. I really can't stand quiet though. >> Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs I've watched a hundred times and >> have them going in the background while I'm writing. Just >> something so that I don't have to listen to the sound of my own >> heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, traffic and what not. I >> don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the ear training work I did >> in college. I got so used to passively listening for details that >> I can't really turn it off, so I have to give my ears something to >> do or they'll get bored start bugging me with incidental nonsense. >> Hmmm. >> On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: >> >>> Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I >>> don't usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain >>> music can be rather generative if I listen to it /before/ I >>> write: Miles Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain >>> brands of acoustic blues. >>> >>> My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm >>> sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that >>> an Amaj7 or a A13?" Or "What mode is that solo in? >>> Mixolydian?" Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & >>> lose touch with the poem. >>> >>> What about you all? Do you listen to music while you >>> compose? If so, what? >>> >>> Jeff Newberry >>> >>> -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes >>> longer than >>> recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." >>> ?William Faulkner, Light in August >>> >>> >>> http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From halvard at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 12:33:39 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:33:39 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C42D235-AB04-4BE0-9327-E643946A1A75@earthlink.net> Glenn Gould used to like having four radios on at the same time, all tuned to different stations. John Cage preferred traffic sounds and the hum of the fridge. I'll take anything: classical, jazz (sometimes), palaver, church bells (we've got a lot of those down here in San Miguel), rockets and fireworks (lots of those too), stone workers chipping away from 7:30 to 5 (with an hour or two off for siesta/dinner/etc.), Latino (found a good radio station at iTunes), even, as John C. Lilly discovered, the beat of the heart and the whine of the central nervous system (mostly covered by almost anything else going on: Lou Dobbs fulminations, barking dogs, yowling cats, twittering birds--and machines). Hal "The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." --Casey Stengel Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 1, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Bob Marcacci wrote: > Interesting question, Jeff... > > For many years, I had two televisions in my bedroom (don't ask...) > and would > routinely have them turned on to different programs... a sporting > event on > one, perhaps, and a series or a movie on the other... at the same > time i > would listen to the radio, the sounds of all three simultaneously > bombarding > me... made for a nice mix of noise which tended to create an easel for > composition wherein many different words/sounds were colliding... > sometimes, > it was just too much incomprehesible sound and simply became > background > noise allowing me to focus on whatever i was doing... > > I didn't want to fall into what i thought a trap of listening to the > same > thing all the time, although every method has its own sameness after > a turn, > i suppose... really, listening to music is just like reading, which > tends to > rear itself in the work at any given time... > > I've done the complete opposite, as well, listening to nothing at > all... > and, of course, the raw sounds of the world are plentiful enough in > their > mumurous suggestions... > > When you drift away from the writing and into the musical composition, > wondering at the scale and chord progression or whatever, how does > that > manifest in your work? Does it? > > -- > Bob Marcacci > > You cannot do a kindness too soon, for you never > know how soon it will be too late. > - Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > >> From: Jeff Newberry >> Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" >> >> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:59:31 -0500 >> To: NewPoetry >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? >> >> Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I >> don't >> usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain music can be >> rather >> generative if I listen to it *before* I write: Miles Davis, Bill >> Evans, >> certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of acoustic blues. >> >> My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm >> sitting here, >> typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an Amaj7 or a >> A13?" Or >> "What mode is that solo in? Mixolydian?" Then, I'm lost in the >> composition >> of the tune & lose touch with the poem. >> >> What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? If >> so, what? >> >> Jeff Newberry >> >> -- >> "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than >> recollects, >> longer than knowing even wonders." >> ?William Faulkner, Light in August >> >> >> http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 12:37:09 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:37:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? Message-ID: <273336.16639.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> So much for the World Wide Web's "worldness" ... _______ Blog http://www.amyking.org/blog Faculty Page http://faculty2.ncc.edu/kinga ----- Original Message ---- From: TheOldMole To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 11:45:52 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? Well, damn. Anny Ballardini wrote: > Jeex, look at this: > > Dear Pandora Visitor, > > We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, > we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside > of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision > of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to > restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no > other alternative. > > We believe that you are in Italy (your IP address appears to be > 82.52.172.138). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize > and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support at pandora.com > > > > thank you anyhow Tad, > > ahy poor me, discovered just like that_ > > I loved the idea of the page ended before the side finished, > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 1 12:37:21 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:37:21 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <648208b60803010901x3bad0c37ma918af455abd0619@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com><97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net><00B00296-9366-4AF9-81EA-4BCBB7CC1E8B@earthlink.net> <648208b60803010901x3bad0c37ma918af455abd0619@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Lovely boys! nothing against B-flat _ From: "James Cervantes" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 6:01 PM > On 3/1/08, Chris Stroffolino wrote: >> Anny---I'd be happy to play solo piano instrumental for you, distanced >> in >> the other room while you write... >> > > Shoot, I'll play for her here in Arizona or in Mexico. That's even > more distant and would only disturb my closest neighbors. Better yet, > listen to the celestial music, though mostly all of it is in B-flat. > > -- Jim > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From millb at aol.com Sat Mar 1 13:03:43 2008 From: millb at aol.com (millb at aol.com) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:03:43 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> Message-ID: <8CA49DDB8645E9E-E30-1FCE@webmail-nd05.sysops.aol.com> I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but, one thing I do when I write as related to music is repetition.? I put on one album and let that repeat over and over.? Usually Miles Davis or David del Tredici pr Sublime.? Helps me get into a trance and I play the CD over and over again--sometimes all evening or all week or whatever I need. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Quackenbush Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:15 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. I can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what I'll listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's the smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. I don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on something. I have a few favorites but i like classical more for housework than for doing things that I have to think about. Although, I do like classical music when i'm fiddling around with things with my hands, like building electronics kits or woodworking. I think the selection comes down to what level of distraction I'm looking for. I really can't stand quiet though. Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs I've watched a hundred times and have them going in the background while I'm writing. Just something so that I don't have to listen to the sound of my own heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, traffic and what not. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the ear training work I did in college. I got so used to passively listening for details that I can't really turn it off, so I have to give my ears something to do or they'll get bored start bugging me with incidental nonsense. Hmmm. On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose?? I don't usually, though I've tried.? I have found that certain music can be rather generative if I listen to it before I write:? Miles Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of acoustic blues. My problem in listening to music while I write is this:? I'm sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an Amaj7 or a A13?"? Or "What mode is that solo in?? Mixolydian?"? Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & lose touch with the poem. What about you all?? Do you listen to music while you compose?? If so, what? Jeff Newberry -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. ?Believes longer than recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." ?William Faulkner, Light in August http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry = _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 13:11:35 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:11:35 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <8CA49DDB8645E9E-E30-1FCE@webmail-nd05.sysops.aol.com> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> <8CA49DDB8645E9E-E30-1FCE@webmail-nd05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <588219E7-7A79-47F3-BD53-93D14CED8D52@earthlink.net> Hey, Mill-- I've known David del 13 for quite a few years (he's a NYC neighbor, and we've both been at VCCA at the same time fairly often), but I'm having trouble imagining his music as trance-inducing. What's the piece that does it for you? Hal Intentionally Left Bank Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:03 PM, millb at aol.com wrote: > I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but, one thing I do > when I write as related to music is repetition. I put on one album > and let that repeat over and over. Usually Miles Davis or David del > Tredici pr Sublime. Helps me get into a trance and I play the CD > over and over again--sometimes all evening or all week or whatever I > need. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Quackenbush > Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:15 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? > > I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. I > can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what I'll > listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's the > smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a couple > of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The Sun City > Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or something > more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. Bailey has a > really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. I don't listen > to much classical music when I'm working on something. I have a few > favorites but i like classical more for housework than for doing > things that I have to think about. Although, I do like classical > music when i'm fiddling around with things with my hands, like > building electronics kits or woodworking. I think the selection > comes down to what level of distraction I'm looking for. I really > can't stand quiet though. Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs I've > watched a hundred times and have them going in the background while > I'm writing. Just something so that I don't have to listen to the > sound of my own heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, traffic and > what not. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the ear training > work I did in college. I got so used to passively listening for > details that I can't really turn it off, so I have to give my ears > something to do or they'll get bored start bugging me with > incidental nonsense. Hmmm. > On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I >> don't usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain music >> can be rather generative if I listen to it before I write: Miles >> Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of >> acoustic blues. >> >> My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm >> sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an >> Amaj7 or a A13?" Or "What mode is that solo in? Mixolydian?" >> Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & lose touch with the >> poem. >> >> What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? If >> so, what? >> >> Jeff Newberry >> >> -- >> "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than >> recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." >> ?William Faulkner, Light in August >> >> >> http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > = > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 1 13:36:59 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:36:59 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <273336.16639.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <273336.16639.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3241194B69C64735AF27B7E345FA1A65@AnnyPC> yes, as if I has stolen the plums :-( From: amy king Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 6:37 PM So much for the World Wide Web's "worldness" ... _______ Blog http://www.amyking.org/blog Faculty Page http://faculty2.ncc.edu/kinga ----- Original Message ---- From: TheOldMole To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 11:45:52 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? Well, damn. Anny Ballardini wrote: > Jeex, look at this: > > Dear Pandora Visitor, > > We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, > we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside > of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision > of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to > restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no > other alternative. > > We believe that you are in Italy (your IP address appears to be > 82.52.172.138). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize > and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support at pandora.com > > > > thank you anyhow Tad, > > ahy poor me, discovered just like that_ > > I loved the idea of the page ended before the side finished, > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 13:38:20 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:38:20 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pic du jour Message-ID: <7E771C34-AEBE-4DFD-A82F-ED048509A66B@earthlink.net> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ginsberg-leary-lilly.jpg Ginsberg, Leary and Lilly--c. 1991. Hal "Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck." --George Carlin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 1 13:42:46 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:42:46 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <3241194B69C64735AF27B7E345FA1A65@AnnyPC> References: <273336.16639.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <3241194B69C64735AF27B7E345FA1A65@AnnyPC> Message-ID: I need to correct the misspelling, bear with me> had stolen ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? yes, as if I has stolen the plums :-( From: amy king Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 6:37 PM So much for the World Wide Web's "worldness" ... _______ Blog http://www.amyking.org/blog Faculty Page http://faculty2.ncc.edu/kinga ----- Original Message ---- From: TheOldMole To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 11:45:52 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? Well, damn. Anny Ballardini wrote: > Jeex, look at this: > > Dear Pandora Visitor, > > We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, > we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside > of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision > of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to > restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no > other alternative. > > We believe that you are in Italy (your IP address appears to be > 82.52.172.138). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize > and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support at pandora.com > > > > thank you anyhow Tad, > > ahy poor me, discovered just like that_ > > I loved the idea of the page ended before the side finished, > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal "I really feel sorry for people who think things like soap dishes or mirrors or Coke bottles are ugly, because they're surrounded things like that all day long, and it must make them miserable." --Robert Rauschenberg Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > I need to correct the misspelling, bear with me> > had stolen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? > > yes, as if I has stolen the plums > :-( > From: amy king > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 6:37 PM > > So much for the World Wide Web's "worldness" ... > > _______ > > > Blog > > http://www.amyking.org/blog > > Faculty Page > > http://faculty2.ncc.edu/kinga > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: TheOldMole > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 11:45:52 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? > > Well, damn. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: > > Jeex, look at this: > > > > Dear Pandora Visitor, > > > > We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing > constraints, > > we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located > outside > > of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the > vision > > of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to > > restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is > no > > other alternative. > > > > We believe that you are in Italy (your IP address appears to be > > 82.52.172.138). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize > > and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support at pandora.com > > > > > > > > thank you anyhow Tad, > > > > ahy poor me, discovered just like that_ > > > > I loved the idea of the page ended before the side finished, > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Sat Mar 1 14:46:03 2008 From: millb at aol.com (millb at aol.com) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:46:03 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <588219E7-7A79-47F3-BD53-93D14CED8D52@earthlink.net> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> <8CA49DDB8645E9E-E30-1FCE@webmail-nd05.sysops.aol.com> <588219E7-7A79-47F3-BD53-93D14CED8D52@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CA49EC03F08F2E-1278-4DC3@webmail-nb05.sysops.aol.com> Hi Hal, What a small world!? I like the "Alice" CD.? In Memory of a Summer Day and Child Alice part one--especially the first track.? Gosh, if you see David, tell him his old Yaddo pal Millicent said hello. Cheers, Mill -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:11 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? Hey, Mill-- I've known David del 13 for quite a few years (he's a NYC neighbor, and we've both been at VCCA at the same time fairly often), but I'm having trouble imagining his music as trance-inducing. What's the piece that does it for you? Hal Intentionally Left Bank Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com? http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:03 PM, millb at aol.com wrote: I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but, one thing I do when I write as related to music is repetition.? I put on one album and let that repeat over and over.? Usually Miles Davis or David del Tredici pr Sublime.? Helps me get into a trance and I play the CD over and over again--sometimes all evening or all week or whatever I need. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Quackenbush Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:15 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. I can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what I'll listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's the smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. I don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on something. I have a few favorites but i like classical more for housework than for doing things that I have to think about. Although, I do like classical music when i'm fiddling around with things with my hands, like building electronics kits or woodworking. I think the selection comes down to what level of distraction I'm looking for. I really can't stand quiet though. Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs I've watched a hundred times and have them going in the background while I'm writing. Just something so that I don't have to listen to the sound of my own heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, traffic and what not. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the ear training work I did in college. I got so used to passively listening for details that I can't really turn it off, so I have to give my ears something to do or they'll get bored start bugging me with incidental nonsense. Hmmm. On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose?? I don't usually, though I've tried.? I have found that certain music can be rather generative if I listen to it before I write:? Miles Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of acoustic blues. My problem in listening to music while I write is this:? I'm sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an Amaj7 or a A13?"? Or "What mode is that solo in?? Mixolydian?"? Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & lose touch with the poem. What about you all?? Do you listen to music while you compose?? If so, what? Jeff Newberry -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. ?Believes longer than recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." ?William Faulkner, Light in August http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry = _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Supercharge your AIM. 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Esp. nice whil working at the computer. Unfortunately, I don't think they have classic yet. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of millb at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:46 PM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? Hi Hal, What a small world! I like the "Alice" CD. In Memory of a Summer Day and Child Alice part one--especially the first track. Gosh, if you see David, tell him his old Yaddo pal Millicent said hello. Cheers, Mill -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:11 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? Hey, Mill-- I've known David del 13 for quite a few years (he's a NYC neighbor, and we've both been at VCCA at the same time fairly often), but I'm having trouble imagining his music as trance-inducing. What's the piece that does it for you? Hal Intentionally Left Bank Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:03 PM, millb at aol.com wrote: I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but, one thing I do when I write as related to music is repetition. I put on one album and let that repeat over and over. Usually Miles Davis or David del Tredici pr Sublime. Helps me get into a trance and I play the CD over and over again--sometimes all evening or all week or whatever I need. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Quackenbush Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:15 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. I can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what I'll listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's the smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. I don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on something. I have a few favorites but i like classical more for housework than for doing things that I have to think about. Although, I do like classical music when i'm fiddling around with things with my hands, like building electronics kits or woodworking. I think the selection comes down to what level of distraction I'm looking for. I really can't stand quiet though. Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs I've watched a hundred times and have them going in the background while I'm writing. Just something so that I don't have to listen to the sound of my own heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, traffic and what not. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the ear training work I did in college. I got so used to passively listening for details that I can't really turn it off, so I have to give my ears something to do or they'll get bored start bugging me with incidental nonsense. Hmmm. On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I don't usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain music can be rather generative if I listen to it before I write: Miles Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of acoustic blues. My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an Amaj7 or a A13?" Or "What mode is that solo in? Mixolydian?" Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & lose touch with the poem. What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? If so, what? Jeff Newberry -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." -William Faulkner, Light in August http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry = _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _____ Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry = _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _____ Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Sat Mar 1 15:29:15 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:29:15 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <8CA49EC03F08F2E-1278-4DC3@webmail-nb05.sysops.aol.com> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> <8CA49DDB8645E9E-E30-1FCE@webmail-nd05.sysops.aol.com> <588219E7-7A79-47F3-BD53-93D14CED8D52@earthlink.net> <8CA49EC03F08F2E-1278-4DC3@webmail-nb05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <99E2813A-D117-4AEA-8F8C-79EB93A807F5@earthlink.net> Will do, Mill, if I see him when we're back in NYC. That'll be for several week come late March and April. I asked because I think David's music (unlike that of, say, Glass and Reich) is sort of . . . well, anti-trance-ical, to mint a term. Hal "To emphasize only the beautiful seems to me to be like a mathematical system that only concerns itself with positive numbers." --Franz Kafka Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 1, 2008, at 1:46 PM, millb at aol.com wrote: > Hi Hal, > > What a small world! I like the "Alice" CD. In Memory of a Summer > Day and Child Alice part one--especially the first track. Gosh, if > you see David, tell him his old Yaddo pal Millicent said hello. > > Cheers, > > Mill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halvard Johnson > Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:11 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? > > Hey, Mill-- > > I've known David del 13 for quite a few years (he's a NYC > neighbor, and we've both been at VCCA at the same time > fairly often), but I'm having trouble imagining his music > as trance-inducing. What's the piece that does it for you? > > Hal > Intentionally Left Bank > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > > > > On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:03 PM, millb at aol.com wrote: > >> I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but, one thing I do >> when I write as related to music is repetition. I put on one album >> and let that repeat over and over. Usually Miles Davis or David >> del Tredici pr Sublime. Helps me get into a trance and I play the >> CD over and over again--sometimes all evening or all week or >> whatever I need. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jason Quackenbush >> Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:15 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? >> >> I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. I >> can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what I'll >> listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's the >> smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a >> couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The >> Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or >> something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. >> Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. I >> don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on something. >> I have a few favorites but i like classical more for housework than >> for doing things that I have to think about. Although, I do like >> classical music when i'm fiddling around with things with my hands, >> like building electronics kits or woodworking. I think the >> selection comes down to what level of distraction I'm looking for. >> I really can't stand quiet though. Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs >> I've watched a hundred times and have them going in the background >> while I'm writing. Just something so that I don't have to listen to >> the sound of my own heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, >> traffic and what not. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the >> ear training work I did in college. I got so used to passively >> listening for details that I can't really turn it off, so I have to >> give my ears something to do or they'll get bored start bugging me >> with incidental nonsense. Hmmm. >> On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: >> >>> Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose? I >>> don't usually, though I've tried. I have found that certain music >>> can be rather generative if I listen to it before I write: Miles >>> Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of >>> acoustic blues. >>> >>> My problem in listening to music while I write is this: I'm >>> sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an >>> Amaj7 or a A13?" Or "What mode is that solo in? Mixolydian?" >>> Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & lose touch with >>> the poem. >>> >>> What about you all? Do you listen to music while you compose? If >>> so, what? >>> >>> Jeff Newberry >>> >>> -- >>> "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than >>> recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." >>> ?William Faulkner, Light in August >>> >>> >>> http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> = >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > = > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Supercharge your AIM. 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"Poet" finals contestant Mahdi al-Wayli said the new series has found success reintroducing poetry to the Arab world, The Times of London reported Saturday. "I thought nobody cared about poetry, but this show changed everything. It made people think about poets more than football," the 33-year-old electrician said. In an audition format similar to that of the equally popular U.S. TV series "American Idol," "Poet" allowed nearly 7,000 people to audition for a spot... **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb at aol.com Sat Mar 1 16:31:50 2008 From: millb at aol.com (millb at aol.com) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:31:50 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? In-Reply-To: <99E2813A-D117-4AEA-8F8C-79EB93A807F5@earthlink.net> References: <731bb17a0802291859l6e5b7c6br8d68800a35eb578b@mail.gmail.com> <97370F6C-B509-4A70-BC54-6E44217AB3D7@myuw.net> <8CA49DDB8645E9E-E30-1FCE@webmail-nd05.sysops.aol.com> <588219E7-7A79-47F3-BD53-93D14CED8D52@earthlink.net> <8CA49EC03F08F2E-1278-4DC3@webmail-nb05.sysops.aol.com> <99E2813A-D117-4AEA-8F8C-79EB93A807F5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CA49FACB8D1950-280-392F@WEBMAIL-MC15.sysops.aol.com> Hi Hal, Yeah, but, notice that? I also "trance-out" to the regae punk rock group Sublime! Favorite of all time writing music is Miles Davis Sketches of Spain, though.? Coming in second might be Yo-Yo Ma. Cheers, Mill -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? Will do, Mill, if I see him when we're back in NYC. That'll be for several week come late March and April. I asked because I think David's music (unlike that of, say, Glass and Reich) is sort of . . . well, anti-trance-ical, to mint a term. Hal "To emphasize only the beautiful seems to me to be like a mathematical system that only concerns itself with positive numbers." ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?--Franz Kafka Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com? http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 1, 2008, at 1:46 PM, millb at aol.com wrote: Hi Hal, ? What a small world!? I like the "Alice" CD.? In Memory of a Summer Day and Child Alice part one--especially the first track.? Gosh, if you see David, tell him his old Yaddo pal Millicent said hello. ? Cheers, ? Mill -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:11 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? Hey, Mill-- I've known David del 13 for quite a few years (he's a NYC neighbor, and we've both been at VCCA at the same time fairly often), but I'm having trouble imagining his music as trance-inducing. What's the piece that does it for you? Hal Intentionally Left Bank Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com? http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:03 PM, millb at aol.com wrote: I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but, one thing I do when I write as related to music is repetition.? I put on one album and let that repeat over and over.? Usually Miles Davis or David del Tredici pr Sublime.? Helps me get into a trance and I play the CD over and over again--sometimes all evening or all week or whatever I need. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Quackenbush Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:15 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Music While Writing? I have different kinds of music I listen to for different things. I can't write without music, although it runs the gamut of what I'll listen too depending on the mood I'm going for. Often it's the smiths or the pixies. the cure. Joy division. Tom Waits has a couple of good albums for writing, Alice and The Black Rider. The Sun City Girls. Occasionally out jazz like Ornette or Sun Ra. Or something more postmodern like Joelle Leandre or Derek Bailey. Bailey has a really good record on Tzadik that works well for me. I don't listen to much classical music when I'm working on something. I have a few favorites but i like classical more for housework than for doing things that I have to think about. Although, I do like classical music when i'm fiddling around with things with my hands, like building electronics kits or woodworking. I think the selection comes down to what level of distraction I'm looking for. I really can't stand quiet though. Sometimes I'll just put on DVDs I've watched a hundred times and have them going in the background while I'm writing. Just something so that I don't have to listen to the sound of my own heartbeat or the stuff going on outside, traffic and what not. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's all the ear training work I did in college. I got so used to passively listening for details that I can't really turn it off, so I have to give my ears something to do or they'll get bored start bugging me with incidental nonsense. Hmmm. On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: Any of you poets out there listen to music while you compose?? I don't usually, though I've tried.? I have found that certain music can be rather generative if I listen to it before I write:? Miles Davis, Bill Evans, certain Hendrix songs, certain brands of acoustic blues. My problem in listening to music while I write is this:? I'm sitting here, typing away, and suddenly I'm wondering, "Is that an Amaj7 or a A13?"? Or "What mode is that solo in?? Mixolydian?"? Then, I'm lost in the composition of the tune & lose touch with the poem. What about you all?? Do you listen to music while you compose?? If so, what? 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It includes: CHAPBOOK Up By The Maritime Museum Poem by Nathaniel Tarn; Drawings by Nancy Victoria Davis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FEATURES BERKELEY DAZE Exhaustive anthology and commentary on the Berkeley Poetry Scene of the 1960s; some writers went on to become major figures; others set up a unique dispensarion of their own Edited with Commentery by Rychard Denner BOLINAS DREAMING Book-length study of community of poets just north of San Francisco from the mid 60s to mid 80s, many of whom went on to play major roles in the literary modes that followed throughout the century by Kevin Opstedal AN ANTHOLOGY OF BAY AREA WOMEN WRITERS Spritely and diverse anthology of women living in the San Francisco Bay area today edited by Katherine Hastings On The Publication of Philip Whalen's COLLECTED POEMS Celebration of the Collected poems of one of the most important American poets to emerge at mid century. One of the original Beats, his poems do not age or become dated, as this ample selection of commentary, poems, and appreciations makes clear. Commentary and poems by: Dale Smith, David Schneider, Karl Young, Neeli Cherkovski, Brian Howlett, Ron Silliman, John Tarrant, Tom Clark, Anne Waldman, and David Meltzer. Edited by Dale Smith THE CHILDREN Poems by Philip Whalen; Photographs by Aram Saroyan: Saroyan took photos of children more or less his own age while travelling in Europe with his father. He sent them to Whalen who wrote poems based on them. WAR PAPERS (2) Poems, essays, comments, and hyper-text art against war. First Impressions of OCEANS BEYOND MONOTONOUS SPACE: Selected Poems of Kitasono Katue For most readers in the west, Japanese poetry of the 20th Century remains almost if not completely unknown. Yet it had its Avant Gardists comparable to Ezra Pound, Kenneth Rexroth, and Kenneth Patchen (to mention three who saw Kitasono as a peer. Kitasono foreshadowed most concerns and methods of western poets, from Concrete to Language Poetry to the PhotoPoetry emerging today decades before his western counterparts. This gathering respresents initial responses to the first large and easily available selection of his work. Comments by: Ayseg?l T?zeren, Anny Ballardini, Susan Smith Nash, Carlos M. Luis, and Dan Waber NOW, AS YOU AWAKEN Poems of Mahmoud Darwish; Translated by Omnia Amin and Rick London Generally considered the most important contemporary Palestinian Poet, this selection of poems shows a poet steeped in a great tradition dealing with contemporary issues, and doing so outside of stereotypes and predictable misconceptions a d.a.levy satellite Still controversial 39 years after his death, levy is finally emerging as a major American poet, inovator, publisher, and influence. This widly diverse collection of responses gives a sense of his range and his appeal to audiences of all sorts. Comments by T.L.Kryss, Joel Lipman, Ingrid Swanberg, Karl Young, Dan Waber, Stephen Nelson, Joshua Gage, jon beacham, John Oliver Simon, Richard Krech, Geoffrey Cook, and Charles Potts. Edited by Ingrid Swanberg and Karl Young Nathaniel Tarn: quatre po?mes; traduction : Aux?m?ry French translations of some of Tarn's best-known poems A California Trip: Salutations from Ira Cohen - Two Spontaneous Odes and a Photo of Terri Carrion CORNUCOPION BOSEGSZARU Ira Cohen in Hungarian A Retrospective of the Publication Work of Karl Young, Part 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ART The Convergence of Then and When: A Game Without Rules by Jane Dalrymple-Hollo Spitzer Breakdown A Reading of a Poster by Jim Spitzer La Femme Mecanique Photo Art by Johnathan Kane Family Photos: Beats In Winter by Larry Keenan The Fine Art of Conversation Collaborative art by Brian Howlett and Associates Memories of Vali Myers Waning Moon - March 20, 2003 In Memoriam Carl J. Young by Karl Young, Jr. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FICTION Fiction by Chris Wells, Paul A. Toth, Roberta Allen, Ann Bogle, Stephen-Paul Martin, Tsipi Keller, Tsipi Keller, Marc Lowe, Richard Martin, Mel Freilicher, Fisher Thompson, Nickolay Todorov, Paul Kahn Lou Rowan, and Jordan Zinovich. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- REVIEWS and INTERVIEWS Reviews of: Vali Myers, Joanne Kyger, Alice Notley, Judith Roche, Allan Weisbecker, Lou Rowan, James Broughton, Jack Foley, Jeffrey Side, William Allegrezza, and Raymond Bianchi Reviewed by: Allan Graubard, Kirpal Gordon, Stephen Vincent, Allan Davies, Lynn Coffin, Mary Sands Woodbury, James Tierney, Katherine Hastings, Jake Berry, Michael Schumacher, T. Hibbard Interviews: Malcolm McNeil Interviewed by Larry Sawyer with some of McNeill's graphic collaborations with William S. Burroughs Vernon Frazer Interviewed by Ric Cafagna Lou Rowan Interviewed by Dominic Aulisio -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- POETRY Index of poems by more than 138 writers, including War Papers Poetry (2) includes poems by: Keith Wilson, Robert Sward, Rebecca Kavaler, Harriet Green, Tad Richards, Jennifer Compton, Joel Solonche, Chris Mansel, Steve Dalachinsky, J?anpaul Ferro, Hugh Fox, H. Palmer Hall, Louis Armand, Gay Partington Terry, John M. Bennett, Paul C. Howell, Eileen Tabios, Harriet Zinnes, Philip Metres, Ruth Lepson, Edward Field, Susan Donnelly, Neil Nelson, Larissa Shmailo, Hal Sirowitz, Laura Lentz, Jeffrey Beam, Frank Parker, Alan Sondheim, Murat Nemet-Nijat, Sheila Black, Barbara Crooker, Richard Kostelanetz, Rodney Nelson, Karen Alkalay-Gut, Patricia Valdata, Sybil Kollar, Mark Pawlak, David Howard, Marcus Bales, Jose Padua, Patrick John Green, John Bradley, Kent Johnson, CL Bledsoe, Joseph Somoza, Martha Deed, Lisa Sewell, Hugh Seidman, Sheila E. Murphy, e k rzepka, Harris Schiff, Bobby Byrd, Clarinda Harriss, mIEKAL aND, Jayne Lyn Stahl, Rachel Loden, Jorn Ake, Paul E. Nelson, Alexander Jorgensen, Helen Duberstein, Michael Heller, Georgios Tsangaris, Stephen Vincent, Michael Maggiotto, Marthe Reed, Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino, Ana Doina, James Scully, Glenn R. McLaughlin, and Ray Craig Berkeley Daze includes poems by: Luis Garcia, Belle Randall, Helen Breger, Ron Loewinsohn, David Bromige, Gail Dusenbery, Gene Fowler, Jim Thurber, David Meltzer, Doug Palmer Facino, John Bennett, John the Poet Thomson, Rychard Denner, Julia Vinograd the Bubble Lady, Larry Kerschner, Charles Potts, Joel Walderman, Harold Adler, Richard Krech, Michael Upton, Ron Silliman, Doug Palmer, Patricia Parker, Martin P. Abramson, Richard Denner, Gene Fowler, Norm Moser, Charles Potts, De Leon Harrison, John Thomson, John Oliver Simon, Andy Clausen, Jefferson D. Hils, Richard Krech, Jack Foley, Al Masarik, Kay Okrand, James Koller, David Cole, Thanasis Maskaleris, Sister Mary Norbert, Lennart Bruce, Marianne Baskin, Hillary Ayer Fowler, Sam Thomas, D.R. Hazelton, and Jim Wehalage An Anthology of Bay Area Women Writers includes poems by: Mary-Marcia Casoley, Sharon Doubiago, Adelle Foley, Judy Grahn, Susan Griffin, Katherine Hastings, Beatriz Lagos, devorah major, Tennessee Reed, Nellie Wong, Leslie Scalapino, and Maw Shien Win -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LITTLE MAGS Humonomous Versal Heaven Bone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 20:56:44 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:56:44 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Damn that's good... Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0803011756k73e7acd3n60dc046aee4cf12d@mail.gmail.com> Some snail mail booty today, including the latest couple of issues of _Sentence_ (http://firewheel-editions.org/), which is the most consistent and consistently good poetry publication I know of... it always has a well-edited selection spiced with just the right amount of commentary and reviews. This might also mean I need to diversify my subscriptions a bit :) c -- Chris Lott From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Mar 2 09:22:38 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:22:38 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Helen Dixon published by beyond borders Message-ID: forwarding on behalf of Birgitta Jonsdottir> here is the newest chapbook by beyond borders by the british-nica poet Helen Dixon can you please help me get reviews on it it is such an important book i have donated the entire publication to the cause of women rights in Nicaragua? they have banned abortion there and the grassroot movement is in desperate need to? get the correct information to women about their basic human rights with oceans of love light and joy Birgitta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are not looking for critical/academic works at this time. Submissions for dossier and regular sections of the magazine are welcome. If you would like to submit poems for either or both sections, our submission period is March 1-June 30 of each year. Please send no more than five pages of poetry. We will respond by August 31. Submit to: Editors, COURT GREEN English Department Columbia College Chicago 600 South Michigan Avenue Chicago, IL 60605 Email submissions are not accepted. Submissions without a self-addressed, stamped envelope will not be returned. SASEs with insufficient postage will contain notification only. Poems submitted outside our reading period will be returned unread. From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Mar 2 17:13:31 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:13:31 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Joel Weishaus Message-ID: <9EC125BE679F4598B8622006226B9487@AnnyPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: anny.ballardini at tin.it Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [NarcissusWorks] Joel Weishaus >From Joel Weishaus: Dear Friends, Family, and Colleagues: Here is the second page of my blog, "Reality Too." February blog: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/blog/February.htm Introduction (rev.): http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/blog/intro.htm Designed for MS Explorer; Text Size: Medium; 1024X768 screen resolution. -Joel -- Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 3/02/2008 10:45:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Three Things Enchanted Him..." Three things enchanted him: white peacocks, evensong, and faded maps of America. He couldn't stand bawling brats, or raspberry jam with his tea, or womanish hysteria. ...And he was married to me. (1901) Finnegan Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Sun Mar 2 20:19:17 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:19:17 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Cummings the painter Message-ID: <8CA4AE3BC76AFD6-FC8-49C9@WEBMAIL-STG-D01.sysops.aol.com> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=76095288 Weekend Edition Sunday, March 2, 2008 ? At the State University of New York College at Brockport, a little-known treasure trove of artwork by one of the country's best-loved poets is in urgent need of repair. The liberal arts college owns 72 works by poet E.E. 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Blythe Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 2, 2008, at 7:19 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=76095288 > > Weekend Edition Sunday, March 2, 2008 ? At the State University of > New York College at Brockport, a little-known treasure trove of > artwork by one of the country's best-loved poets is in urgent need > of repair. > > The liberal arts college owns 72 works by poet E.E. Cummings, but > years of wear and tear have taken their toll on the rare works. Few > people have ever seen the pieces, > Supercharge your AIM. 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"Schadenfreude" -- new work appearing in newest Big Bridge In-Reply-To: <200803021700.m22H03cO012795@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <913235.15830.qm@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Poem was written in memory of Otto Dix (and appears in mesh of English and German). http://www.bigbridge.org/WAR-PAP3.HTM#AJorgensen Best and thanks! AGJ -- Tennessee Williams: "A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I love his humor, he reminds me of my grandmother, it is something visceral - if you do not have it there is no way you can invent it -, thanks for bringing it back. ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:41 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Bly on Prairie Home Companion Anyone hear Bly on Garrison Keillor's show Saturday? Bly was great. He read only 3 or 4 short poems. What a voice...high pitched and kind of nasally...but he really makes the poems work. I liked the way he re-read poems: "Let me give that to you again..." I don't see a recording online or I'd point to it. But here's the show's site... http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/ Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 3 06:11:50 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:11:50 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] susan glaspell in malaga spain Message-ID: >From: Barbara Ozieblo [mailto:ozieblo at uma.es] >Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:29 AM Susan Glaspell Society www.susanglaspell.com On 12 April, members of the Susan Glaspell Society will be participating in a Seminar on the plays of American dramatist Susan Glaspell (1876-1948) organized by the Orange Tree Theatre, Richmond. We will be talking about the Provincetown Players, an avant-garde theatre that Glaspell co-founded in 1916, about Glaspell's life, her fiction and her plays, particularly Chains of Dew, The Outside, Trifles, and Suppressed Desires which the Orange Tree is performing. Among the speakers are international specialists who have written book-length studies on Glaspell, including, Cheryl Black, J. Ellen Gainor, Noelia Hernando-Real, Kristina Hinz-Bode, and Barbara Ozieblo. For tickets, both for the Seminar, and for the performances, please contact the Orange Tree Theatre. www.orangetreetheatre.co.uk Tel: 020 8940 3633 Saturday seminar: 12 April, 10.30am, Susan Glaspell - her life & work. Chains of Dew by Susan Glaspell Wednesday 12 March - Saturday 26 April 2008 Glaspell Shorts: Trifles, Supressed Desires & The Outside by By Susan Glaspell Monday 7 - Saturday 19 April 2008 Barbara Ozieblo, Dpto. de Filologia Inglesa, Facultad de FIlosofia y Letras, Universidad de Malaga, 29071 Malaga www.susanglaspell.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 3 06:13:23 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:13:23 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Turkey and American Studies Message-ID: <3E7F522831A748EB9C88F18BF6B8EAC5@AnnyPC> >From: Tanfer Emin Tunc [mailto:tanfer.emin at gmail.com] >Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:29 PM American Studies Association of Turkey 33rd Annual American Studies Conference Adapting America/America Adapted October 8 - 10, 2008 Bogazici University Istanbul, Turkey This conference seeks to define a new agenda for adaptation studies, specifically, as a branch of American Studies that not only encompasses literature and visual media, but also a wide-range of subject areas including, but not limited to, history, anthropology, political science, philosophy, sociology, the performing arts, and cultural/ethnic studies. By looking at adaptation specifically in relation to the United States, we seek to investigate a variety of culturally and historically transformative strategies. We also seek to examine how the process of adaptation has been influenced by social, ideological and political factors both inside and outside the United States. While, traditionally, adaptation refers to the transformation of literary texts into different forms of media (e.g., films and television programs), the concept of adaptation can also be applied to other disciplines. Historians engage in process of negotiating or "adapting" various histories, or dialogues, when they tell the story of a nation; politicians adapt/adopt different philosophies, at different times, to suit their particular interests; and artists and musicians adapt/adopt a broad range of cultural signifiers when creating new works, conventions, and/or trends. The American Studies Association of Turkey invites proposals that consider adaptation, broadly conceived. We particularly encourage proposals which incorporate transdisciplinary explorations of adaptation, and welcome proposals from any field of study. Possible themes include, but are not limited to: a.. Processes/purposes of adaptation b.. Adaptation and its motives (e.g., intentionality) c.. Adapting history for political reasons/historical reinvention d.. Popular history: creation and reception e.. Foreign policy and adaptation f.. Audience and adaptation g.. Trans or intercultural adaptation h.. Cultural outcomes/products of adaptation (hybridity, creolization, metissage, mestizaje) i.. Racial adaptation ("passing") j.. Musical adaptation (e.g., sampling in rap music) k.. Artistic adaptation l.. Cross-cultural adaptation (e.g., African elements in American Jazz/Blues) m.. Lingual adaptation (e.g., ebonics) n.. Transformation/transmutation of ideas o.. (Re)creation/simulacra p.. Mimicry, authenticity, and adaptation q.. Forced adaptation (e.g., colonization, imperialism) r.. Americanization, assimilation, acculturation s.. Indigenous adaptation t.. Identity and adaptation u.. The appeal/limits of adaptation v.. Sex/gender adaptation (e.g., transvestitism, berdachism) w.. Conscious adaptation (e.g., metafiction) x.. Self-writing (e.g., transforming personal experiences into literature) y.. Biopics z.. Pastiches/parodies/satire aa.. Literature/film adaptation ab.. Video/board games and popular songs based on classic films and/or literary texts ac.. Architectural adaptation ad.. Semiotics of adaptation ae.. Psychological/emotional adaptation af.. Pedagogical applications of adaptation The time allowance for all presentations is 20 minutes. An additional 10 minutes will be provided for discussion. Proposals for papers, panels, performances, exhibits, and other modes of creative expression should be sent to both Louis Mazzari (louis_mazzari at hotmail.com) and Tanfer Emin Tunc (asat2007 at gmail.com) and should consist of a 250 - 300 word abstract in English, as well as a 1 - 2 paragraph biographical description for each participant. a.. Deadline for submission of proposals: May 31, 2008 b.. Notification for acceptance of proposals: August 15, 2008 Co-sponsored by the Embassy of the United States and the Literature Film Association -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 3 06:15:49 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:15:49 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Humboldt University, Berlin, Germany and African studies Message-ID: <6051D9AF6AA445B280E76153CF5BD311@AnnyPC> > From: conrad.rein at freenet.de [mailto:conrad.rein at freenet.de] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:49 PM Dear Friends, I would like to draw your attention to a fourth, very exciting event: a six-week summer university taking place at Humboldt University in Berlin: http://www.lbsu.de/ I also took part in that one last year, and they have full scholarships available - but, believe it or not, unfortunately they still do not have enough applications. Again, the below mentioned three events in Austria, Italy and Spain are all great. I am on my way to Africa for my next UN adventure, so this is just a short note. Please stay in touch and keep me informed about interesting events, conferences, summer schools etc. I will try my best to participate :-) All the best- Conrad Dear Madam/Sir, I would kindly like to ask you to forward the following information about three exciting as well as fascinating events to interested, highly enthusiastic students: Model United Nations University of Salamanca (MUNUSAL 2008) in Salamanca / Spain: April 15 - April 19, 2008: http://www.munusal.org/ Milan International Model United Nations (MILMUN 2008) in Milan / Italy, April 27 - May 2, 2008: http://www.milmun.org/ International Summer School Seggau 2008 in Seggau / Austria, June 28 - July 12, 2008 http://www.uni-graz.at/en/bibwww_soe_seggau.htm Just to give you some brief information about myself, I originate from former East Germany, and I am currently enrolled in the Master's programme African Studies, and I will be chairing UNHCR at MUNUSAL, the Security Council at MILMUN, and I also participated at the International Summer School Seggau 2007 (last year). Furthermore, I have already done two (real) UN-internships, and I will head for my third real UN-adventure, this time in Africa, 2-4/2008. In addition, I am also helping the people from MUNUSAL and MILMUN to organize the Model United Nations. I am strongly interested in international affairs, politics, and history with a particular focus on Africa, Europe, Israel, and transatlantic relations. It goes without saying that I am working extraordinary hard to raise the voice of Africa - the forgotten continent. I hope to have many students from the continent of the future as participants' at all three events. Concerning registration, I can assure you that I have the authority to enrol students myself (except for Seggau and LBSU), with other words, we can skip the official procedure when I sign them up personally. Please do not hesitate to ask any questions you may have. Thank you very much. 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URL: From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Mon Mar 3 11:47:21 2008 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:47:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Issue 1 of mgversion2>datura, English version, is now online Message-ID: <60152.72.227.129.45.1204562841.squirrel@webmail.web.com> The first issue of mgversion2>datura, English version is now online. http://mgversion2.free.fr/esect/mgv2_en_01/mgv2_en_01%20index.html With poems by: Steve Klepetar Noah Eli Gordon John Mcmahon Harry Wilkens Gregory Vincent St Thomasino Jan Oskar Hansen Jeff Crouch Patricia Wellingham Jones Taylor Graham Norman J. Olson And music by: J?r?my B?renger "Mgversion2.0>datura was first known as Mauvaise graine -- a British based, French literature magazine published from 1996 to 2000. It stopped for a while and started again on line in 2002 with some new authors found here and there on the web and older ones from the paper era. Then, in 2005, a new section opened. It was dedicated to poems in English translated into French. Today, 2008, sees a new face and an English language-only side, a genuine literature ezine publishing not only poems but stories and music too." Edited by Walter Ruhlmann http://mgversion2.free.fr/esect/mgv2_en_01/mgv2_en_01%20index.html . From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Mar 3 13:48:47 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:48:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Changing of the guard In-Reply-To: <599E3364-B262-43CA-965A-08EDE6C77F97@ripon.edu> References: <599E3364-B262-43CA-965A-08EDE6C77F97@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> Anyone have any thoughts on Paul Muldoon at the New Yorker? He's going for the tried and true -- a couple of poems by Merwin in the last issue I read, looks like Merwin and Stephen Dunn in the current issue. For myself, I have no problem with this. It's better poetry than we're used to seeing in the New Yorker, and these guys have earned their place at the top of the food chain. The New Yorker is a general audience magazine, after all. David Graham wrote: > Mary Karr takes over the Poet's Choice column at The Washington Post. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/28/AR2008022803507.html > > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From millb at aol.com Mon Mar 3 14:02:51 2008 From: millb at aol.com (millb at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:02:51 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Changing of the guard In-Reply-To: <47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> References: <599E3364-B262-43CA-965A-08EDE6C77F97@ripon.edu> <47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CA4B784FDFFCD0-EB4-74B@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> This week, our niece emailed to say that she really liked the Merwin poems in the New Yorker (since she knows I am a subscriber).? So, to your point, even our niece, the librarian noticed a change enough to mention it to me.? It's not often that I get emails from family members commenting about the poems in the New Yorker.? In fact, I think this was a first. Cheers Mill -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:48 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Changing of the guard Anyone have any thoughts on Paul Muldoon at the New Yorker? He's going for the tried and true -- a couple of poems by Merwin in the last issue I read, looks like Merwin and Stephen Dunn in the current issue. For myself, I have no problem with this. It's better poetry than we're used to seeing in the New Yorker, and these guys have earned their place at the top of the food chain. The New Yorker is a general audience magazine, after all.? ? David Graham wrote:? > Mary Karr takes over the Poet's Choice column at The Washington Post. >? > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/28/AR2008022803507.html? >? >? >? >? >? > ========================================? > David Graham? > grahamd at ripon.edu ? >? > Home Page:? > http://web.mac.com/drjazz? >? > Poetry Library:? > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html? > ==========================================? >? >? >? >? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------? >? > _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? > ? -- Tad Richards? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? The moral is this: in American verse,? The better you are, the pay is worse.? ?--Corey Ford? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Mar 3 14:21:06 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:21:06 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Changing of the guard In-Reply-To: <47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> References: <599E3364-B262-43CA-965A-08EDE6C77F97@ripon.edu> <47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> Message-ID: <6E61022E-D996-4B88-ABDD-C3E2C196EB81@earthlink.net> Merwin and Dunn new to the New Yorker? I don't think so. Hal "If Gladstone fell into the Thames, that would be a misfortune, and if someone pulled him out, that, I suppose, would be a calamity." --Benjamin Disraeli Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:48 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > Anyone have any thoughts on Paul Muldoon at the New Yorker? He's > going for the tried and true -- a couple of poems by Merwin in the > last issue I read, looks like Merwin and Stephen Dunn in the current > issue. For myself, I have no problem with this. It's better poetry > than we're used to seeing in the New Yorker, and these guys have > earned their place at the top of the food chain. The New Yorker is a > general audience magazine, after all. > > David Graham wrote: >> Mary Karr takes over the Poet's Choice column at The Washington Post. >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/28/AR2008022803507.html >> >> >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Mar 3 14:32:11 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:32:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Changing of the guard In-Reply-To: <8CA4B784FDFFCD0-EB4-74B@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> References: <599E3364-B262-43CA-965A-08EDE6C77F97@ripon.edu> <47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> <8CA4B784FDFFCD0-EB4-74B@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <47CC523B.6030708@opus40.org> And this is why I think it's a good thing. millb at aol.com wrote: > This week, our niece emailed to say that she really liked the Merwin > poems in the New Yorker (since she knows I am a subscriber). So, to > your point, even our niece, the librarian noticed a change enough to > mention it to me. It's not often that I get emails from family > members commenting about the poems in the New Yorker. In fact, I > think this was a first. > > Cheers > > Mill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:48 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Changing of the guard > > Anyone have any thoughts on Paul Muldoon at the New Yorker? He's going > for the tried and true -- a couple of poems by Merwin in the last > issue I read, looks like Merwin and Stephen Dunn in the current issue. > For myself, I have no problem with this. It's better poetry than we're > used to seeing in the New Yorker, and these guys have earned their > place at the top of the food chain. The New Yorker is a general > audience magazine, after all. > > David Graham wrote: > > Mary Karr takes over the Poet's Choice column at The Washington Post. > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/28/AR2008022803507.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > > > > > Home Page: > > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > > > Poetry Library: > > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > > ========================================== > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar > > for your browser. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From jforjames at aol.com Mon Mar 3 15:53:18 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:53:18 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Changing of the guard In-Reply-To: <47CC523B.6030708@opus40.org> References: <599E3364-B262-43CA-965A-08EDE6C77F97@ripon.edu> <47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> <8CA4B784FDFFCD0-EB4-74B@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47CC523B.6030708@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CA4B87BE1BF65E-924-2C22@webmail-stg-d06.sysops.aol.com> Could be The New?Yorker had a backlog of accepted poems. Doesn't seem news that Merwin and Dunn appeared. But a couple weeks ago I saw on Siliman's blog that Rae Armantrout had a poem in The New Yorker...that was likely a first for her. And maybe she's one of the first from the Language movement to appear therein. But I'm not sure about that. Here's the link, but I don't the magazine and now I wonder if this only appeared online... http://www.newyorker.com/fiction/poetry/2008/02/25/080225po_poem_armantrout Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Changing of the guard And this is why I think it's a good thing.? ? millb at aol.com wrote:? > This week, our niece emailed to say that she really liked the Merwin > poems in the New Yorker (since she knows I am a subscriber). So, to > your point, even our niece, the librarian noticed a change enough to > mention it to me. It's not often that I get emails from family > members commenting about the poems in the New Yorker. In fact, I > think this was a first.? >? > Cheers? >? > Mill? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Mar 3 15:54:57 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:54:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet's Poet, Allen Grossman Message-ID: <8CA4B87F98201E4-924-2C3C@webmail-stg-d06.sysops.aol.com> http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6536908.html?industryid=47142 The Poets' Poet Allen Grossman writes the poems that inspire poets. How is it that an accomplished poet and scholar, beloved by generations of students, whose work has enjoyed the praise of no less than Harold Bloom, remains, at 76, something of a poet's poet, a secret hero to a few rather than an enthusiasm widely shared? Allen Grossman's reputation, such as it is, may be owing in part to his difficult-to-classify poems, which never fit neatly into the fashions?confessional writing, myth and deep image poetry, language writing, the current fascination with irony?that have swept the American poetry scene at one time of another in recent decades. His style mixes high modernism?Wallace Stevens's penchant for abstraction, Williams's intimacy with landscape, Auden's elevated diction?but there's also a touch of the devil-may-care duende of Lowell, who was one of Grossman's early poetic touchstones. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal "One barium enema is worth a year of psychoanalysis." --Dr. Robert Whitlock Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 3, 2008, at 2:53 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > Could be The New Yorker had a backlog of accepted poems. Doesn't > seem news that Merwin and Dunn appeared. But a couple weeks ago I > saw on Siliman's blog that Rae Armantrout had a poem in The New > Yorker...that was likely a first for her. And maybe she's one of the > first from the Language movement to appear therein. But I'm not sure > about that. > > Here's the link, but I don't the magazine and now I wonder if this > only appeared online... > http://www.newyorker.com/fiction/poetry/2008/02/25/080225po_poem_armantrout > > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 2:32 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Changing of the guard > > And this is why I think it's a good thing. > > millb at aol.com wrote: > > This week, our niece emailed to say that she really liked the > Merwin > poems in the New Yorker (since she knows I am a > subscriber). So, to > your point, even our niece, the librarian > noticed a change enough to > mention it to me. It's not often that I > get emails from family > members commenting about the poems in the > New Yorker. In fact, I > think this was a first. > > > > Cheers > > > > Mill > > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Mar 4 00:29:31 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:29:31 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Changing of the guard In-Reply-To: <47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> References: <599E3364-B262-43CA-965A-08EDE6C77F97@ripon.edu> <47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> Message-ID: The New Yorker publishes maybe 50 poems a year? I wonder if anyone here has ever sat down & read through a whole year's crop? My suspicion is that, poem for poem over the years, their editors have done about as well as the editors of most quarterlies in picking poems. In proportion, do they really publish a *lot* more stinky stuff than, say, Hudson Review or Kenyon? Of course it's all mainstream poetry. But, since it's the NYorker, they typically have their pick of the luminaries. Anyway, when you read two poems in a given week and don't much care for one of them, then maybe hate both of the poems next week--it's easy to form the opinion that they *never* publish any good material. But I think they do, and always have--again, if you don't automatically hate anything mainstream. A lot of Milosz & Syzmborska, for instance, first appeared there, as well as many poems I've admired by poets such as Wilbur, Levine, Kinnell, Kleinzahaler, Chas. Wright, Gluck, et al. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:48 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > Anyone have any thoughts on Paul Muldoon at the New Yorker? He's > going for the tried and true -- a couple of poems by Merwin in the > last issue I read, looks like Merwin and Stephen Dunn in the > current issue. For myself, I have no problem with this. It's better > poetry than we're used to seeing in the New Yorker, and these guys > have earned their place at the top of the food chain. The New > Yorker is a general audience magazine, after all. > > David Graham wrote: >> Mary Karr takes over the Poet's Choice column at The Washington Post. >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/28/ >> AR2008022803507.html >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Tue Mar 4 00:51:54 2008 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 00:51:54 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Changing of the guard Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/2008 11:29:51 PM Central Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: > > The New Yorker publishes maybe 50 poems a year? I wonder if anyone here has > ever sat down &read through a whole year's crop? My suspicion is that, poem > for poem over the years, their editors have done about as well as the > editors of most quarterlies in picking poems. In proportion, do they really > publish a *lot* more stinky stuff than, say, Hudson Review or Kenyon? Of course > it's all mainstream poetry. But, since it's the NYorker, they typically have > their pick of the luminaries. > > > Anyway, when you read two poems in a given week and don't much care for one > of them, then maybe hate both of the poems next week--it's easy to form the > opinion that they *never* publish any good material. But I think they do, and > always have--again, if you don't automatically hate anything mainstream. > > > A lot of Milosz &Syzmborska, for instance, first appeared there, as well as > many poems I've admired by poets such as Wilbur, Levine, Kinnell, > Kleinzahaler, Chas. Wright, Gluck, et al. > > > > It always seemed to me that The New Yorker was the ideal venue for light verse--as it was for so many years--but shifted course about 30 years ago into the SERIOUS category. I still crack up over some of the stuff that Updike contributed in the 50s. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Mar 4 06:26:33 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:26:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Changing of the guard In-Reply-To: References: <599E3364-B262-43CA-965A-08EDE6C77F97@ripon.edu><47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> Message-ID: <47CD31E9.7070709@nut-n-but.net> I think the complaint against the New Yorker is not that they publish bad poems but that the range of poems they publish is extremely limited. Yes, all mainstream, but my impression is that they don't even publish a very wide range of mainstream poems. What I least understand about the mass media with regard to poetry is why it seems so seldom to so much as refer to adventurous poetry much less publish an example or two of it once or twice a year. --Bob G. From browning at splitthisrock.org Tue Mar 4 06:32:04 2008 From: browning at splitthisrock.org (browning) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 06:32:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Split This Rock early registration ends in one week Message-ID: <002801c87deb$5fa6e9a0$4201a8c0@SBLAPTOP> Hi All, A reminder that registration rates for Split This Rock Poetry Festival: Poems of Provocation & Witness go up March 10. A notice is below. Hope you?ll take a look at the website and join us ? should be a rollicking time. best, Sarah ** Split This Rock Poetry Festival: Poems of Provocation & Witness Washington, DC March 20-23, 2008 www.SplitThisRock.org info at splitthisrock.org 202-787-5210 Split This Rock Poetry Festival calls poets to a greater role in public life and fosters a national network of activist poets. Building the audience for poetry of provocation and witness from our home in the nation?s capital, we celebrate poetic diversity and the transformative power of the imagination. Featuring readings, workshops, panels, contests, walking tours, film, parties, and activism! See the website for the incredible line-up of poets, including Lucille Clifton, Mark Doty, Mart?n Espada, Sam Hamill, Galway Kinnell, Naomi Shihab Nye, Sonia Sanchez, and many more. Split This Rock is cosponsored by DC Poets Against the War, Sol & Soul, Busboys and Poets, and the Institute for Policy Studies. www.SplitThisRock.org Register today! Registration is only $75 before March 10, $40 for students, and includes entry to all readings, workshops, panels, receptions, walking tours, and other activities. Register online here: http://splitthisrock.org/registration.html. You can also download a form and send it in. Scholarships available. Check the website for details. Support Split This Rock, the historic gathering of activist poets: Every dollar you give is tax-deductible through our fiscal sponsor, the Institute for Policy Studies. Just click here: https://secure.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizations/IPS/shop/custom.jsp?d onate_page_KEY=1120 and be sure to designate "Split This Rock" as the project you'd like to support. Or send a check payable to "IPS/Split This Rock" to: IPS, 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600, Washington, DC 20036. 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Prose with amazing sentences will be preferred over prose with unamazing sentences. Plotless or intricately- plotted very short fiction (ideally under 1000 words) is also something we enjoy. We take subs year-round but will be reading in December, March, June, and September. So you'll be getting responses in those months. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Mar 4 09:02:02 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:02:02 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Changing of the guard In-Reply-To: References: <599E3364-B262-43CA-965A-08EDE6C77F97@ripon.edu> <47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> Message-ID: <47CD565A.1060309@opus40.org> My point wasn't that Dunn and Merwin are new to the New Yorker, but that Muldoon appears to be concentrating even more than his predecessors on poets of high visibility and established reputation -- I would include Armentrout in that group, although not in the group of poets previously published in the New Yorker. I agree with David. David Graham wrote: > The New Yorker publishes maybe 50 poems a year? I wonder if anyone > here has ever sat down & read through a whole year's crop? My > suspicion is that, poem for poem over the years, their editors have > done about as well as the editors of most quarterlies in picking > poems. In proportion, do they really publish a *lot* more stinky > stuff than, say, Hudson Review or Kenyon? Of course it's all > mainstream poetry. But, since it's the NYorker, they typically have > their pick of the luminaries. > > Anyway, when you read two poems in a given week and don't much care > for one of them, then maybe hate both of the poems next week--it's > easy to form the opinion that they *never* publish any good material. > But I think they do, and always have--again, if you don't > automatically hate anything mainstream. > > A lot of Milosz & Syzmborska, for instance, first appeared there, as > well as many poems I've admired by poets such as Wilbur, Levine, > Kinnell, Kleinzahaler, Chas. Wright, Gluck, et al. > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:48 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > >> Anyone have any thoughts on Paul Muldoon at the New Yorker? He's >> going for the tried and true -- a couple of poems by Merwin in the >> last issue I read, looks like Merwin and Stephen Dunn in the current >> issue. For myself, I have no problem with this. It's better poetry >> than we're used to seeing in the New Yorker, and these guys have >> earned their place at the top of the food chain. The New Yorker is a >> general audience magazine, after all. >> >> David Graham wrote: >>> Mary Karr takes over the Poet's Choice column at The Washington Post. >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/28/AR2008022803507.html >>> >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Mar 4 09:04:00 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:04:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Changing of the guard In-Reply-To: <47CD31E9.7070709@nut-n-but.net> References: <599E3364-B262-43CA-965A-08EDE6C77F97@ripon.edu><47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> <47CD31E9.7070709@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <47CD56D0.9040707@opus40.org> I also agree with Bob -- how's that for a Daily Double? And my question was, is there evidence that this narrowness of range is changing under Muldoon? OK, maybe I didn't ask a question before. But if I had, that would have been it. Bob Grumman wrote: > I think the complaint against the New Yorker is not that they publish > bad poems but that the range of poems they publish is extremely > limited. Yes, all mainstream, but my impression is that they don't > even publish a very wide range of mainstream poems. > What I least understand about the mass media with regard to poetry is > why it seems so seldom to so much as refer to adventurous poetry much > less publish an example or two of it once or twice a year. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Mar 4 09:17:17 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:17:17 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Changing of the guard In-Reply-To: <47CD31E9.7070709@nut-n-but.net> References: <599E3364-B262-43CA-965A-08EDE6C77F97@ripon.edu><47CC480F.9010107@opus40.org> <47CD31E9.7070709@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: I'll have to pay more attention to Muldoon's picks to see if I think there's any shift of taste going on, but even if there is, I kind of doubt it'll be seismic. And yes, The New Yorker's range is narrowly mainstream, if one wants to think of it in that oxymoronic way. As Tad has noted, that's sort of a given--it's a glossy mag, after all. Still, I've been hearing the complaint that the New Yorker publishes nothing but bland, safe, mindless, perfume-ad-friendly poetry for decades now. (Sam's right to single out their history as a purveyor of smart light verse--who was it wrote the annual Christmas doggerel for them for many years?) I just wanted to worry that claim a bit. In other words, I wonder if we tend to remember more of the quietudinous stuff precisely because it's sandwiched between the perfume ads, while we forget the poems by, say, Milosz and Syzmborska that have also appeared as often as Deborah Garrison's. It seems to me that every time this discussion pops up, people tend to conveniently forget Milosz and remember Oliver P. Flutterheart's ode to his bird feeder. And has the NYer really been blander than equivalent mainstream outlets such as The Hudson Review, say? They certainly publish a fair number of poems that do nothing for me. Merwin's later work fairly reliably hits my snooze button, for example. But so does every other journal in creation print work that fails to dazzle. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I think the complaint against the New Yorker is not that they > publish bad poems but that the range of poems they publish is > extremely limited. Yes, all mainstream, but my impression is that > they don't even publish a very wide range of mainstream poems. > What I least understand about the mass media with regard to poetry > is why it seems so seldom to so much as refer to adventurous poetry > much less publish an example or two of it once or twice a year. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For instance, we'll be collaborating for the first time with both the UMaine Museum of Art and the Colby College Museum of Art to bring the visual arts into the mix. And we'll have a videographer on hand not just to document the plenary proceedings, but also to do studio sessions intended for future webcasting with the many poets (and poet-scholars) who will be in attendance. We'll be making a more concerted use of new media and web resources than in the past. And we expect that a variety of NPF print publications will grow out of the Conference as well. Naturally, a celebration of the lives and accomplishments of Sylvester Pollet and Burton Hatlen is being planned in conjunction with our traditional lobster banquet. We invite paper and panel proposals on all aspects of poetic practice in the Seventies, U.S. and international. We also seek scholars and writers who would be willing to serve as panel Chairs. 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From jforjames at aol.com Tue Mar 4 20:59:16 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:59:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] bookshop in Tad's territory Message-ID: <8CA4C7BA70386CD-9B8-2348@webmail-stg-d02.sysops.aol.com> http://hermitagebeacon.googlepages.com/bookshop -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Mar 4 21:09:39 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:09:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] O'HARA: THE POETICS OF COTERIE Message-ID: <8CA4C7D1A431BB5-9B8-23B9@webmail-stg-d02.sysops.aol.com> http://www.artforum.com/inprint/id=19540#Scene_1? ?? FRANK O'HARA: THE POETICS OF COTERIE BY LYTLE SHAW. IOWA CITY: UNIVERSITY OF IOWA PRESS, 2006. 332 PAGES. $40. ? THINGS HAPPENED around Frank O?Hara. At his death in 1966, he was known as much for his nonstop social presence at the center of a group?a coterie, aesthetic tendency, or even school?of ?50s and ?60s abstract painters and poets as for his poetry and art criticism. The 1971 publication of his six-hundred-page Collected Poems thus came as something of a surprise to readers who had a better sense of O?Hara?s celebrity than of his published poetry, ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Tue Mar 4 22:41:21 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:41:21 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] bookshop in Tad's territory In-Reply-To: <8CA4C7BA70386CD-9B8-2348@webmail-stg-d02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA4C7BA70386CD-9B8-2348@webmail-stg-d02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47CE1661.9040508@opus40.org> I'll have to check this out jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://hermitagebeacon.googlepages.com/bookshop > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar > > for your browser. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From rsillima at yahoo.com Wed Mar 5 06:07:44 2008 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 03:07:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Muldoon In-Reply-To: <200803041304.m24D4CcO006633@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <899055.67017.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think it was Howard Junker who looked at Muldoon's edition in the "Best American Poetry" series and noted just what a high percentage of contributors were over the age of 50 -- I think that's very much what you will continue to see at the New Yorker. He did ask Rae Armantrout for work, tho she's been in the journal before, and is over 50, but that is about as far afield as I expect it to get. Ron From jfq at myuw.net Wed Mar 5 06:58:13 2008 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 03:58:13 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Muldoon In-Reply-To: <899055.67017.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <899055.67017.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52A4F237-B605-4EF7-B93F-08B3F29F07F2@myuw.net> I liked a lot of the poems in Muldoon's year, although now that you mention it, it did skew a bit old. A couple of the poets in it were several years dead from old age as a matter of fact. But it did strike me that he was making an attempt to be broad with it, including Armentrout, as well as Lyn Heijinian and Clayton Eshleman. There were some good poems in it. But then, there were also a lot of poems that were by poets I'd never heard of before and whose poems I didn't like. But then, it's "Best American Poetry" and you kind of just learn to accept that, at least for the years I've been around and paying attention. I think there's an irony in that statement that could possibly say something illuminating about American Democracy as well, but it's too late at night to unpack it. -JFQ On Mar 5, 2008, at 3:07 AM, Ron Silliman wrote: > I think it was Howard Junker who looked at Muldoon's edition in the > "Best American Poetry" series and noted just what a high percentage > of contributors were over the age of 50 -- I think that's very much > what you will continue to see at the New Yorker. He did ask Rae > Armantrout for work, tho she's been in the journal before, and is > over 50, but that is about as far afield as I expect it to get. > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From halvard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 5 08:58:54 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:58:54 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Muldoon In-Reply-To: <52A4F237-B605-4EF7-B93F-08B3F29F07F2@myuw.net> References: <899055.67017.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <52A4F237-B605-4EF7-B93F-08B3F29F07F2@myuw.net> Message-ID: <84D27B31-A522-4D1B-8042-5BF3487304F5@earthlink.net> 50 old? Give me a break. Hal "Prediction is difficult, especially of the future." --Mark Twain (also attr. to Niels Bohr) Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 5, 2008, at 5:58 AM, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > I liked a lot of the poems in Muldoon's year, although now that you > mention it, it did skew a bit old. A couple of the poets in it were > several years dead from old age as a matter of fact. But it did > strike me that he was making an attempt to be broad with it, > including Armentrout, as well as Lyn Heijinian and Clayton Eshleman. > There were some good poems in it. But then, there were also a lot of > poems that were by poets I'd never heard of before and whose poems I > didn't like. But then, it's "Best American Poetry" and you kind of > just learn to accept that, at least for the years I've been around > and paying attention. I think there's an irony in that statement > that could possibly say something illuminating about American > Democracy as well, but it's too late at night to unpack it. > > -JFQ > > > On Mar 5, 2008, at 3:07 AM, Ron Silliman wrote: > >> I think it was Howard Junker who looked at Muldoon's edition in the >> "Best American Poetry" series and noted just what a high percentage >> of contributors were over the age of 50 -- I think that's very much >> what you will continue to see at the New Yorker. He did ask Rae >> Armantrout for work, tho she's been in the journal before, and is >> over 50, but that is about as far afield as I expect it to get. >> >> Ron >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Wed Mar 5 09:08:49 2008 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:08:49 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Muldoon Message-ID: In a message dated 3/5/2008 7:59:36 AM Central Standard Time, halvard at earthlink.net writes: > 50 old? Give me a break. > > Hal 60? Nah. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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London has long been known and appreciated ?" revered by many ?" as a master of prose, both fiction and nonfiction, short story and novel. But as we learn from the exhaustive scholarship of Dan Wichlan of Pleasant Hill, the editor of this new and very likely definitive compilation, London not only wrote poetry, he studied and emulated the works of other poets and fancied himself a poet first and a prose writer second. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Wed Mar 5 11:29:13 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:29:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] pantoums called for, and senryu too Message-ID: <8CA4CF52E814FEE-F4-3EED@webmail-stg-d06.sysops.aol.com> http://www.mcsweeneys.net/quarterly/senryuandpantoums.html McSweeney's wants?pantoums and senryu (an odd couple for sure). The former has the formal virtue of when you've read it once, it feels like you've read it twice. Or as Yogi Berra put it, "It's d?j? vu all over again." But everyone should write one (and I mean that, just one is more than enough). Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Mar 5 12:12:44 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:12:44 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] pantoums called for, and senryu too In-Reply-To: <8CA4CF52E814FEE-F4-3EED@webmail-stg-d06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA4CF52E814FEE-F4-3EED@webmail-stg-d06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47CED48C.1060501@opus40.org> Sent a senryu sequence. Wish me luck. jforjames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.mcsweeneys.net/quarterly/senryuandpantoums.html > > McSweeney's wants pantoums and senryu (an odd couple for sure). > The former has the formal virtue of when you've read it once, it > feels like you've read it twice. Or as Yogi Berra put it, "It's d?j? vu > all over again." But everyone should write one (and I mean that, > just one is more than enough). > > > Finnegan > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar > > for your browser. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From amparker at davidson.edu Wed Mar 5 14:38:20 2008 From: amparker at davidson.edu (Parker, Alan Michael) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:38:20 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Workshop in France Message-ID: Hey, folks. Here's a little promo: I'll be teaching a workshop for the Virginia Center for the Creative Arts in France this June. We'll be focusing on contemporary European poets, as well as the participants' own work. Here's the link: http://www.vcca.com/parker.html Feel free to send anyone my way, if I might answer any questions or provide further info. Thanks. AMP Alan Michael Parker www.amparker.com amparker at davidson.edu From shin02143 at aol.com Wed Mar 5 14:41:06 2008 From: shin02143 at aol.com (shin02143 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:41:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Muldoon In-Reply-To: <001a01c87ed2$4b4d53d0$f4954682@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <8CA4D0FFCED3CEB-1E4-15C5@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> Same here (61)!! -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox Sent: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:04 am Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Muldoon And 61 is just begun! ? -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:09 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Muldoon ? In a message dated 3/5/2008 7:59:36 AM Central Standard Time, halvard at earthlink.net writes: 50 old? Give me a break. Hal 60?? Nah. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfq at myuw.net Wed Mar 5 16:13:39 2008 From: jfq at myuw.net (jfq at myuw.net) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:13:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Muldoon In-Reply-To: <8CA4D0FFCED3CEB-1E4-15C5@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: So I just turned 30 today, and I want to thank everybody chiming in on this thread for helping drive home the idea that my youth isn't over just because my twenties are. Thanks! On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 shin02143 at aol.com wrote: > > Same here (61)!! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip Fox > Sent: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:04 am > Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Muldoon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And > 61 is just begun! > > > > ? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Rsgwynn1 at cs.com > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 > 8:09 AM > > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Muldoon > > > > ? > > > > In a message dated 3/5/2008 7:59:36 > AM Central Standard Time, halvard at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > 50 old? Give me a break. > > > > Hal > > > > > > 60?? Nah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > From AlMaginnes at aol.com Wed Mar 5 17:01:09 2008 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:01:09 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Muldoon Message-ID: What I wouldn't give to be 30 again. Or 40. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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T O N Y H O A G L A N D Thursday, March 6 at 7:30 pm TONY HOAGLAND LECTURE "How to Get a Square Heart into a Postmodern Hole: The Legacy, Liabilities, and Augmentation of the Plain Poetic Style." In The Poetry Center Wright Hall, Smith College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Mar 6 06:49:47 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:49:47 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Gary Busha on the Writer's almanac Message-ID: <2250BB28ECC8450CAFCA96D51E7A2D65@AnnyPC> Poem: "Ham and Cheese on Rye" by Gary Busha from Lines on Lake Winnebago. ? March River Editions, 2002. Reprinted with permission. Ham and Cheese on Rye I am an old man sitting on a sagging dock, fishing in the rain, with not a fish in miles: it is a perfect night for fishing. Droplets run down my glasses, blurring my vision, but there's nothing to see beyond the circle of light from the dock, anyway. I know they're out there, lurking in the weeds, hiding in shadows, waiting until hunger brings them out, forcing them to react without thinking, making them bite against their will. Like them, I feel the gnaw of hunger working. Like them I try to hold off, stay put, keep from being like all the rest. But time wins out, wears down the will, and I reach inside my coat for a ham and cheese on rye. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We invite proposals from individual scholars as well as groups of three to five presenters on topics including, but not limited to: ? media and society: film, radio, TV, the press, and the new media ? multiculturalism: approaches to and representations of ? globalization, regionalization, political leadership ? terrorism: military and intellectual responses to ? national identity, migration, and representation ? popular culture and its national and international contexts ? interdisciplinary American Studies/Transatlantic Studies pedagogy Key-note speakers: Emory Elliot (University of California, Riverside) Alfred Hornung (University of Mainz) Zbigniew Lewicki (Warsaw University) Deadline for the submission of title and abstract of 200-250 words and proposals for panels (350 words, including names of presenters and titles of their presentations) is May 15, 2008. Please submit abstracts electronically or by mail to the following address: TRANS 2008 Department of American Studies and Mass Media, University of Lodz Skladowa 41/43, 90-127 Lodz, Poland E-mail address: trans2008 at uni.lodz.pl A selection of papers will be published by Peter Lang Publishers (Germany) in "American Studies and Media" Series. General Editors: Elzbieta H. Oleksy and Wieslaw Oleksy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 10:01:48 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:01:48 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poets Off Poetry In-Reply-To: <931599.15136.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <931599.15136.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <648208b60803060701h65e1a53brae2de6b1e68cee96@mail.gmail.com> Had to do a force quit after I clicked that link and got stuck with the dreaded spinning wheel. Please include notice when something requires an app some or many may not have, such as "Caution: Requires PC Crap." Nothing personal. It's just that these things put me in a bad mood. - Jim On 3/6/08, amy king wrote: > > Thanks to Jackie Clark for inviting me to participate in this series -- my > entry, "Fed You From the Blood of My Nose: A Medley Melodic" is here: > http://thisrecording.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/in-which-nearly-every-human-knows-this-desire/ > > Previous entries by Matt Henriksen and Clay Matthews here: > http://thisrecording.wordpress.com/poets-off-poetry/ > > More poets to come! > > Amy > _______ > > > > Blog > > http://www.amyking.org/blog > > > ________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From jforjames at aol.com Thu Mar 6 11:31:47 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:31:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Orr on Harvey Message-ID: <8CA4DBEB4D56C9A-153C-1A4E@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/books/review/Orr2-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin The good news, however, is that America?s younger poets are generating more than their share of our country?s best writing. At 34, Matthea Harvey is a case in point. She is in many ways a typical American poet in early career: She teaches workshops, helps edit a journal, keeps a busy reading schedule, pops up at artists? colonies, publishes widely and has had to learn the basic steps of the pobiz hustle (her Web site is polished, her Wikipedia entry primed for expansion). And Harvey?s technique is a variation on the trendiest contemporary style, which relies heavily on disconnected phrases, abrupt syntactical shifts, attention-begging titles (?The Gem Is on Page Sixty-Four?), quirky diction (?orangery,? ?aigrettes?), flickering italics, oddball openings (?The scent of pig is faint tonight?) and a tone ranging from daffy to plangent ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some people /seem/ to be much more broad-minded in their aesthetics when it comes to imported goods rather than home-grown. There's the politics too: a dissident Chinese poet can get a reception from the establishment here that no dissident American poet would. Naybe I'm wrong. It just seems there are circles in which it is easier and safer to embrace the foreign rather than the local. All of which is by way of questioning whether the quality of Milosz's poetry is what got him into the New Yorker, published in translation by FSG or whoever, etc. Pat From pfoley2 at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 6 12:10:13 2008 From: pfoley2 at bellsouth.net (pat foley) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:10:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue> Message-ID: <20080306171013.GB2916@sparky.launchmodem.com> On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 05:58:45AM -0600, Linda Sue Grimes wrote: > What suggestions would you all offer to one beginning a study > "modernism" and "postmodernism"? Read _The Pound Era_ by Hugh Kenner. Pat From shin02143 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 12:07:59 2008 From: shin02143 at aol.com (shin02143 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:07:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue> Message-ID: <8CA4DC3C3BB33A7-1164-1BC4@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> I'd like to know the same. I've never taken academic courses in modern poetry as I am essentially an autodidact. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Linda Sue Grimes Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 6:58 am Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism What suggestions would you all offer to one beginning a study "modernism" and "postmodernism"?? Also what nuggets of insight might you offer?? That is, what impressions or definitions do you operate with about these terms?? And teachers, what do you teach about them? ? 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Please include notice when something > requires an app some or many may not have, such as "Caution: Requires > PC Crap." > > Nothing personal. It's just that these things put me in a bad mood. > > - Jim > > On 3/6/08, amy king wrote: >> >> Thanks to Jackie Clark for inviting me to participate in this series -- >> my >> entry, "Fed You From the Blood of My Nose: A Medley Melodic" is here: >> http://thisrecording.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/in-which-nearly-every-human-knows-this-desire/ >> >> Previous entries by Matt Henriksen and Clay Matthews here: >> http://thisrecording.wordpress.com/poets-off-poetry/ >> >> More poets to come! >> >> Amy >> _______ >> >> >> >> Blog >> >> http://www.amyking.org/blog >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >> Search. >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 6 12:32:07 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:32:07 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <8CA4DC3C3BB33A7-1164-1BC4@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <8CA4DC3C3BB33A7-1164-1BC4@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1B6F5B76-AC2A-4B60-BD16-D8831BEB0811@earthlink.net> I've always admired those who can teach cars anything. Hal "I see my path but I do not know where it leads. Not knowing where I am going is what inspires me to travel." --Rosal?a de Castro Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:07 AM, shin02143 at aol.com wrote: > I'd like to know the same. I've never taken academic courses > in modern poetry as I am essentially an autodidact. > Richard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Sue Grimes > Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 6:58 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism > > What suggestions would you all offer to one beginning a study > "modernism" and "postmodernism"? Also what nuggets of insight might > you offer? That is, what impressions or definitions do you operate > with about these terms? And teachers, what do you teach about them? > > Thanks in advance, > lsg > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Thu Mar 6 12:35:55 2008 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:35:55 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <8CA4DC3C3BB33A7-1164-1BC4@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <020f01c87fb0$88c4a720$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a> << I'd like to know the same. I've never taken academic courses in modern poetry as I am essentially an autodidact. Richard -- What suggestions would you all offer to one beginning a study "modernism" and "postmodernism"? Also what nuggets of insight might you offer? That is, what impressions or definitions do you operate with about these terms? And teachers, what do you teach about them? Thanks in advance, lsg >> Modernism is easy, it's postmodernism that is the pain. [It's the poor what gets the sorrow / It's the rich what gets the gain] I've often thought that the problems with (post) modern [ist] {structuralism} can be traced to the catastrophic misreadings of de Saussure which appear between the early Barthes of _Elements of Semiology_ and _Writing Degree Zero_, and later (as e.g. S/Z). But then, hey, I think about the _Course In General Linguistics_ the way Mike Huckabee thinks about the Old Testament, so what would I know? Robin From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Thu Mar 6 12:42:59 2008 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:42:59 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><8CA4DC3C3BB33A7-1164-1BC4@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> <1B6F5B76-AC2A-4B60-BD16-D8831BEB0811@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <021d01c87fb1$856f9340$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a> << From: Halvard Johnson I've always admired those who can teach cars anything. Hal >> Those who can, do. Those who can't, screw. R. {As from the Old Distinction between the Cavalry and the the Corps of Engineers -- the former romance and ride away, the latter screw and bolt. Sorreee ..... R.} From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Thu Mar 6 13:43:21 2008 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:43:21 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><8CA4DC3C3BB33A7-1164-1BC4@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> <020f01c87fb0$88c4a720$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a> Message-ID: <027a01c87fb9$f47bf1e0$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a> Illustrative annecdote ... When, in 1968, Derrida was about to launch post-modernism in Johns Hopkins, I was a wet behind the ears undergraduate in Glasgow who had just discovered de Saussure. Quite independently [not having the least idea what was going on in JohnsH, and having just discovered de Saussure], I went rushing around to my favourite language lecturer (Jim Farrish) and said, "Hey, I've just come on this really cool guy ..." Jim said , "Robin, don't mess with boring nineteenth century Genevan linguists." In the course of time, I've drawn lots of lessons from this -- the first being, if you really want to put someone off something, describe it as boring, and another obvious one being Glasgow linguistics in the sixties was pretty much off-the-wall [we were taught Maoist scale catagory grammar at the time The Rest of the World was into Chomsky] ... Also, to be fair to Jim, at least he had *heard of de Saussure in 68. Dunno what the motto is, dunno what it means. Coulda been a contender ... Robin From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 14:10:45 2008 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:10:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue> Message-ID: <731bb17a0803061110l22e3a9d2uac72c8e3ea3484b7@mail.gmail.com> Now this is a *huge* question. I suppose, for me, one of the by-words in Modernist studies is 'fragmentation'. Post-WWI & all that. Of course, that's an easy over-simplification; it's useful in undergraduate courses. But it's also a useful place to start. One prof of mine used to say something along these lines: the Moderns lamented the fragmentation of the world. They sought, through various means, to recreate the world: through art (Stevens), through forging a new mythology (Eliot), through forging new religions and world views (Yeats). The Postmoderns see this fragmentation as liberation; fragmentation is celebrated. They stare, my professor Ron Miller once said, into the abyss and dance. Of course, as someone's already pointed out, *The Pound Era* is a good place to start for Modernism. I'd also recommend Kenner's *A Homemade World*. It's about American Modernist writers. I'd try any essay by Bruce Andrews if you're interested in Postmodernism. I think Terry Eagleton is another good source. Here's a web source I've used in the American literature survey I'm teaching this term: * http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html * Best, Jeff Newberry* * On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Linda Sue Grimes wrote: > What suggestions would you all offer to one beginning a study "modernism" > and "postmodernism"? Also what nuggets of insight might you offer? That > is, what impressions or definitions do you operate with about these terms? > And teachers, what do you teach about them? > > Thanks in advance, > lsg > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." ?William Faulkner, Light in August http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Amicalement, Alex www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet From jforjames at aol.com Thu Mar 6 14:47:50 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:47:50 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Changing of the guard In-Reply-To: <20080306170750.GA2916@sparky.launchmodem.com> References: <47CD31E9.7070709@nut-n-but.net> <20080306170750.GA2916@sparky.launchmodem.com> Message-ID: <8CA4DDA18815EDE-3B8-290E@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> Part of your thesis makes sense...I'd agree that the foreign poets, especially those perceived as critical of opression/politics in their home countries would have easier entre to?pages of?The New Yorker than one of?our own/homegrown railing against the Bush administration's criminal malfeasance. However, I think Milosz, as a poet, had many, many merits. He wrote some great poems. And with the support of some of his major essays related to?poetry and European history (Captive Mind, Witness of Poetry, etc.),?he was the kind of world poet that you don't see everyday. See less of coming out of?the US literary scene, because it is very aesthetically-minded and insular in many ways, even its more?avant-garde quarters.? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: pat foley Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Changing of the guard On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 08:17:17AM -0600, David Graham wrote: > In other words, I wonder if we tend to remember more of the > quietudinous stuff precisely because it's sandwiched between the > perfume ads, while we forget the poems by, say, Milosz and Syzmborska > that have also appeared as often as Deborah Garrison's. It seems to > me that every time this discussion pops up, people tend to > conveniently forget Milosz and remember Oliver P. Flutterheart's ode > to his bird feeder. Something else about that... Does anyone else wonder if the New Yorker would have published Milosz if he were American rather than Polish? Some people /seem/ to be much more broad-minded in their aesthetics when it comes to imported goods rather than home-grown. There's the politics too: a dissident Chinese poet can get a reception from the establishment here that no dissident American poet would. Naybe I'm wrong. It just seems there are circles in which it is easier and safer to embrace the foreign rather than the local. All of which is by way of questioning whether the quality of Milosz's poetry is what got him into the New Yorker, published in translation by FSG or whoever, etc. Pat _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd been reading the usual de Saussure lite at high school (wasn't everyone?), mostly Claude Levi-Stauss (my big hero then) and Piaget. Just that I hadn't thought to look back to Big Daddy. But Glasgow in the sixties tended to do about everything ass-backwards (as, not that we didn't know about Chomsky, but he was _American Power and the New Mandarins_ rather than _Aspects of a Theory of Syntax_.) Took a time to realise there was a world elsewhere. As to postmodernism ... well, anyone brought up on the Lobey Dosser cartoon strip had already been there, done that, and bought the post-modernist T-shirt. Rank Badjin From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Thu Mar 6 17:42:08 2008 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 22:42:08 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] As to .... References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><8CA4DC3C3BB33A7-1164-1BC4@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com><020f01c87fb0$88c4a720$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a><027a01c87fb9$f47bf1e0$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a> <001f01c87fd1$b76d38a0$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a> Message-ID: <003201c87fdb$50f44410$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a> ... language, L.A.N.G.U.A.G.E, and langwig, Ah'll ha nae cursin and blindin in my bar. I still can't work out quite why langpo doesn't quite translate across the Pond (it's easier to say why the New Formalism never, pace _The Dark Horse_, made it here -- p'raps the same reason why Brits have a different take on Robert Frost to USAmericans, since USAmerica never had to endure the Georgian Movement) but when I hear the the words "language poetry," I think of War On Two Fronts -- trying to establish urban language poetry against not only Standard LanguageSpeak but also couthy rural dialect. Looking back across mibee forty years, I'm still baffled as to how exactly we won that one, from a time when urban language was, by default, "the language of the gutter," to Irvin Welsh, Jim Kelman winning the Booker, and Tom Leonard taught in Scottish highschools. (I was actually there at the moment Tom read "Six Glasgow Poems" aloud for the first time.) Sometimes the good win ... Not that they always do, but. Walking across Green Park in London in the seventies, David Black remarked to me that there was one consolation about writing poetry, if you gave it up, anything else was easy, even becoming President of the USA. D.M.Black (as Bob Grumman surely knows) didn't make it Big Time. All the tired horses in the sun ... :-( Robin From jforjames at aol.com Thu Mar 6 18:04:54 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:04:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <1543.1204835295@opus40.org> References: <1543.1204835295@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CA4DF59FF82E30-12A0-3557@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Tad, Let me think about that. Sounds like a great idea. Maybe as Google doc that people can open and add to, correct, etc. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: opus40-01 at opus40.org To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism Richard -- Jim Finnegan has put together a terrific list of books about poets and poetry, compiled from suggestions by listmembers, which he has posted somewhere or other. Jim -- a thought -- now that we have that list, how about suggesting that listmembers, bit by bit, fill it out by adding a paragraph or two to entries they find particularly deserving -- signed or initialed, so that there can be more than one comment on a entry -- with an end toward making it a really valuable resource for the autodidacts among us? On Thu , shin02143 at aol.com sent: I'd like to know the same. I've never taken academic courses in modern poetry as I am essentially an autodidact. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Linda Sue Grimes Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 6:58 am Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism What suggestions would you all offer to one beginning a study "modernism" and "postmodernism"?? Also what nuggets of insight might you offer?? That is, what impressions or definitions do you operate with about these terms?? And teachers, what do you teach about them? ? 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Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Newberry jeff.newberry at gmail.com Here's a web source I've used in the American literature survey I'm teaching this term:? http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 18:44:55 2008 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:44:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <8CA4DF6A7B27739-12A0-35CC@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <731bb17a0803061110l22e3a9d2uac72c8e3ea3484b7@mail.gmail.com> <8CA4DF6A7B27739-12A0-35CC@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0803061544p21949842r18d2ab5210f4769b@mail.gmail.com> Good point, Jim. Postmodern prose writers, however, have used genre fiction in various interestingly serious ways. Jonathan Lethem's *Gun with Occasional Music*comes to mind. Other examples in prose? Jeff On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:12 PM, wrote: > From that academic link Jeff posted, this is one of the primary tenets of > postmodernism: > 7. A rejection of the distinction between "high" and "low" or popular > culture, both in choice of materials used to produce art and in methods of > displaying, distributing, and consuming art. > > And yet, in 99% cases, the postmodern artist is using pop-culture, folk > art, etc., in a comic or wry way. Not taking it seriously. Using it as > a foil. Playing with a low genre for higher purposes. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Newberry jeff.newberry at gmail.com > > Here's a web source I've used in the American literature survey I'm > teaching this term: * > http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html > * > > > > ------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. 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Playing with a low genre for higher purposes. Finnegan >> -- the (or "a") crunch here is over register-jumping. While this isn't *quite the same bucket of kittens, it could be argued that the distinction lies between modernism as being open to multiple registers, while postmodernism is actively characterised by register jumping. See you and raise you, Sunny Jim. Para Handy ***** Premature post-modernists #101 -- Flann O'Brien Yet Another Annecdote ... ... I said to dave bircumshaw, an English East Midlands post-modernist writer on this list, hey, you want to go for a drink? There's this pub called the .... When we got there (on a sleepy Brummy Thursday afternoon) not only was the bloody pub closed, but they'd changed the name from the Flann O'Brien to The Tartan Poodle {Kid you not --I have photographs to prove this.} Mind you, this was the English East Midlands, where they [also] changed the name of Yet Another Pub (which had the Unique Distinction of being further from the sea from anywhere else in England) from _The Sea Around Us_ to _Motorway Rest-Stop 49 Revisited_. Government Health Warning: NOT ALL THE STATEMETS ON THis POST CAN BE DOCUMUNTEd The Wee M'Greegor {Excerpt from _The Detox Diaries_ anent Flann O'Brien -- Jim the Self-Mutilator and I got into this funny game -- things you did at Gulag Bosworth while drying out to pass the time -- over the first works by Famous Writers -- started with Widower's Houses -- but bugger me if either of us could remember the title of the first work by Flann O'Brien, till we were sitting there in the sun in the lee of a bonnie brier bush watching a trail of ducklings waddle past, and we simultaneously howled out, "At Swim Two Birds!" So K, this is trivial, but true. (Kid you naught.) Given that Jim could quote entire paragraphs of The Society of the Spectacle in the original French, not something I'd have expected from a chance acquaintance in a detox ward, and I was partly convinced that i was being pursued by the Ghost of Guy Debord, this seemed to have Some Significance. Casemate.} From s.allen.moore at mac.com Thu Mar 6 19:47:44 2008 From: s.allen.moore at mac.com (Steve Moore) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:47:44 -0900 Subject: Fwd: [New-Poetry] As to .... References: <003201c87fdb$50f44410$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a> Message-ID: <30825F77-A2FA-4613-9392-31B5FAD06A98@mac.com> > the same reason why Brits have a different take on Robert Frost to > USAmericans I feel a bit shy about asking this, as though I should know, but I was wondering if you could explain what you mean by the Brit take on Frost, just for my own edification. I've never encountered a literary brit who didn't speak highly of Frost (of course, my experience is limited). S. Allen Moore From shin02143 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 20:30:32 2008 From: shin02143 at aol.com (shin02143 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:30:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <1543.1204835295@opus40.org> References: <1543.1204835295@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CA4E09F8762333-928-1AF2@WEBMAIL-DB01.sysops.aol.com> Thanks very much, I'd like to see Jim's list. Jim, can you give us a URL? Richard -----Original Message----- From: opus40-01 at opus40.org To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism Richard -- Jim Finnegan has put together a terrific list of books about poets and poetry, compiled from suggestions by listmembers, which he has posted somewhere or other. Jim -- a thought -- now that we have that list, how about suggesting that listmembers, bit by bit, fill it out by adding a paragraph or two to entries they find particularly deserving -- signed or initialed, so that there can be more than one comment on a entry -- with an end toward making it a really valuable resource for the autodidacts among us? On Thu , shin02143 at aol.com sent: I'd like to know the same. I've never taken academic courses in modern poetry as I am essentially an autodidact. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Linda Sue Grimes Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 6:58 am Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism What suggestions would you all offer to one beginning a study "modernism" and "postmodernism"?? Also what nuggets of insight might you offer?? That is, what impressions or definitions do you operate with about these terms?? And teachers, what do you teach about them? ? Thanks in advance, lsg _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Thu Mar 6 20:38:46 2008 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:38:46 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] As to .... References: <003201c87fdb$50f44410$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a> <30825F77-A2FA-4613-9392-31B5FAD06A98@mac.com> Message-ID: <008b01c87ff3$fc8a9460$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a> From: "Steve Moore" >> the same reason why Brits have a different take on Robert Frost to >> USAmericans > > I feel a bit shy about asking this, as though I should know, but I was > wondering if you could explain what you mean by the Brit take on Frost, > just for my own edification. I've never encountered a literary brit who > didn't speak highly of Frost (of course, my experience is limited). > > S. Allen Moore You're entirely right, Steve, that Brits think highly of Frost [who couldn't? he's a wonderful poet] but Frost is *unique in USAmerica, while in Britland, he would be part of a tradition. [Think Thomas Hardy, who for me is the supreme poet in this area. Apples and oranges, admittedly, but for me, there's a range of metrical outreach in Hardy that's not there in Frost.] Then there's how Frost developed out of his encounter with Edward Thomas, the two walking the Downs and reciting poetry to each other. There's a whole matrix in England (Robert Graves, the Georgians) that doesn't exist in the States, that would encompass Frost. And right on to Philip Larkin, god help us here. :-( {Geoffrey Hill might be the strongest living voice in that tradition in the UK.} ... so Frost *has to be seen differently here (as with langpo -- scan J.H.Prynne -- and New Formalism, here as contrasted to there where you are). But this is my particular take -- there are other Brits on this list who would read it differently, I'd guess. I stand (and would love to be) corrected. Robin (Totally personal aside -- if there is for me, as a Scottish poet, a USAmerican poet who does something metrically among other things that interests me that I can't find elsewhere, it would be John Crow Ransom. Which undoubtedly says much about my preconceptions and predelictions. The closest here to Ransom would be William Empsom, but he's so much drier and dustier ... R.} From jforjames at aol.com Thu Mar 6 21:20:55 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:20:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0803061544p21949842r18d2ab5210f4769b@mail.gmail.com> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <731bb17a0803061110l22e3a9d2uac72c8e3ea3484b7@mail.gmail.com> <8CA4DF6A7B27739-12A0-35CC@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0803061544p21949842r18d2ab5210f4769b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CA4E1101CFE950-224-4C8@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com> Jeff, I don't know the book. And any generalization of mine is a generalization. But to me "wink, wink, say no more," nods to pop-culture or to stylized genres (e.g. film noir) don't erode the distinction between the modalities, they highlight the distinctions. When you 'use' something you exploit it. The other naive aspect of postmodernism is that it presupposes crass or innocent motives behind the?sources it uses. Some of the originators of folk genres, pop cultural artifacts, and certainly?the commercial?players?knew exactly what buttons they were pushing.? So it's all a little bit recursive. Who is the user and who is the?used gets blurred. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Newberry Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism Good point, Jim.? Postmodern prose writers, however, have used genre fiction in various interestingly serious ways.? Jonathan Lethem's Gun with Occasional Music comes to mind. Other examples in prose? Jeff On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:12 PM, wrote: >From that academic link Jeff posted, this is?one of the primary tenets of postmodernism: 7. A rejection of the distinction between "high" and "low" or popular culture, both in choice of materials used to produce art and in methods of displaying, distributing, and consuming art. And yet, in 99% cases, the postmodern artist is using pop-culture, folk art, etc., in a comic or wry?way. Not taking it seriously. Using it as a?foil. Playing with a?low genre for higher purposes. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Newberry jeff.newberry at gmail.com Here's a web source I've used in the American literature survey I'm teaching this term:? http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html ? Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. ?Believes longer than recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." ?William Faulkner, Light in August http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.allen.moore at mac.com Fri Mar 7 02:20:42 2008 From: s.allen.moore at mac.com (Steve Moore) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 22:20:42 -0900 Subject: Fwd: [New-Poetry] As to .... References: <008b01c87ff3$fc8a9460$4101a8c0@nowhereddc257a> Message-ID: <74140939-0FC7-483F-9DEA-73BF74763413@mac.com> Thanks for the illumination Robin. I feel brighter and and somehow more attractive now. S. Allen Moore Begin forwarded message: > From: Robin Hamilton > Date: March 6, 2008 4:38:46 PM AKST > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] As to .... > Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > > From: "Steve Moore" > >>> the same reason why Brits have a different take on Robert Frost to >>> USAmericans >> >> I feel a bit shy about asking this, as though I should know, but I >> was wondering if you could explain what you mean by the Brit take >> on Frost, just for my own edification. I've never encountered a >> literary brit who didn't speak highly of Frost (of course, my >> experience is limited). >> >> S. Allen Moore > > You're entirely right, Steve, that Brits think highly of Frost [who > couldn't? he's a wonderful poet] but Frost is *unique in USAmerica, > while in Britland, he would be part of a tradition. > > [Think Thomas Hardy, who for me is the supreme poet in this area. > Apples and oranges, admittedly, but for me, there's a range of > metrical outreach in Hardy that's not there in Frost.] > > Then there's how Frost developed out of his encounter with Edward > Thomas, the two walking the Downs and reciting poetry to each other. > > There's a whole matrix in England (Robert Graves, the Georgians) > that doesn't exist in the States, that would encompass Frost. And > right on to Philip Larkin, god help us here. > > :-( > > {Geoffrey Hill might be the strongest living voice in that tradition > in the UK.} > > ... so Frost *has to be seen differently here (as with langpo -- > scan J.H.Prynne -- and New Formalism, here as contrasted to there > where you are). > > But this is my particular take -- there are other Brits on this list > who would read it differently, I'd guess. > > I stand (and would love to be) corrected. > > Robin > > (Totally personal aside -- if there is for me, as a Scottish poet, a > USAmerican poet who does something metrically among other things > that interests me that I can't find elsewhere, it would be John Crow > Ransom. Which undoubtedly says much about my preconceptions and > predelictions. > > The closest here to Ransom would be William Empsom, but he's so much > drier and dustier ... > > R.} > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And any generalization of mine is a generalization. > But to me "wink, wink, say no more," nods to pop-culture or to stylized > genres > (e.g. film noir) don't erode the distinction between the modalities, > they highlight the distinctions. When you 'use' something you exploit it. > > The other naive aspect of postmodernism is that it presupposes crass or > innocent motives behind the sources it uses. Some of the originators of > folk genres, > pop cultural artifacts, and certainly the commercial players knew exactly > what buttons > they were pushing. So it's all a little bit recursive. Who is the user > and who is > the used gets blurred. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Newberry > Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 6:44 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism > > Good point, Jim. > > Postmodern prose writers, however, have used genre fiction in various > interestingly serious ways. Jonathan Lethem's *Gun with Occasional Music*comes to mind. > > Other examples in prose? > > Jeff > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:12 PM, wrote: > > > From that academic link Jeff posted, this is one of the primary tenets > > of postmodernism: > > 7. A rejection of the distinction between "high" and "low" or popular > > culture, both in choice of materials used to produce art and in methods of > > displaying, distributing, and consuming art. > > > > And yet, in 99% cases, the postmodern artist is using pop-culture, folk > > art, etc., in a comic or wry way. Not taking it seriously. Using it as > > a foil. Playing with a low genre for higher purposes. > > Finnegan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Newberry jeff.newberry at gmail.com > > > > Here's a web source I've used in the American literature survey I'm > > teaching this term: * > > http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html > > * > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbarfor your browser. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > "Memory believes before knowing remembers. 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Certainly the use of the term 'modern' in its respect really just means 'not nineteenth century in outlook or practice'. The Rimbaud of 'Les Illuminations' can certainly be seen as a proto-modernist. Whereas Hopkins, say, or Emily Dickinson, or Whitman, although (in the first two cases) their writing wasn't in wider circulation until the Modernist period, are all essentially Victorian writers, but with styles that depart from the norms of their times. A 'Post-Modernist' is a modernist with nothing to say. Like a tribute band. Or John Ashbery. -- David Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Search. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "She went out with her paint box, paints the chapel blue She went out with her matches, torched the car-wash too" The Go-Betweens From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Mar 7 11:11:18 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:11:18 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bang Bang Message-ID: <9A9B0BA3-BBCD-4096-AF94-20C64225A58A@ripon.edu> Mary Jo Bang has won the National Book Critics Circle award for *Elegy*. http://www.graywolfpress.org/component/page,shop.flypage/product_id, 243/category_id,0485aa93fa0558fb1f755721e776984d/option,com_phpshop/ ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at neopoet.com Fri Mar 7 15:53:56 2008 From: andrew at neopoet.com (Andrew Alkon) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:53:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for Submissions: "Religion vs Atheism" contest Message-ID: Neopoet is hosting a "Religion vs. Atheism" contest. DEADLINE: March 14, 2008. COST: Free. Neopoet, the online writing community, is sponsoring a "Religion vs Atheism" poetry contest. The contest has two parts: The winner who makes the most articulate argument for atheism will get a religious themed book. The winner who makes the most articulate argument for religion will receive "Why I Became an Atheist" by John W. Loftus. For part one: Compose a poem in any style that makes an articulate argument for atheism. The winner of this part will receive a copy of a book articulating support for any of the world's religions. The winner can choose what religion. For example, if the winner chooses Christianity, they will receive the book Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. For part two: Compose a poem in any style that makes an articulate argument for the existence of God. The winner of this part will receive a copy of the book Why I Became an Atheist by John W. Loftus. HOW TO ENTER: Go to http://www.neopoet.com/ and sign up for free Neopoet membership. Submit a poem. Be sure to fill in the "contest code" field with the number 030508. ABOUT NEOPOET: Neopoet was launched in March 2007 as a collaborative online poetry workshop/community. Participants span the globe, with significant numbers from the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, South Africa, and India. Members swap critiques and rate each other's work in an online format. Members can revise their work on the site ? a special tool highlights the differences in each iteration, enabling viewers to get "inside the mind" of the creative process. Members can share experiences in a moderated live chat. A new mentoring program connects screened, experienced poets with new talent. Membership is free. From Peter.Munro at noaa.gov Fri Mar 7 16:13:38 2008 From: Peter.Munro at noaa.gov (Peter Munro) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:13:38 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Question about neopoet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D1B002.2000105@noaa.gov> Greetings from a lurker: Andrew Alkon wrote: Neopoet is hosting a . . . Elsewhere in his post there was a URL for the neopoet site. Does anyone in here know about this outfit? Anyone a member? Thanks in advance. Peter From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Mar 7 18:25:38 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:25:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <47D13123.9030202@ntlworld.com> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <47D13123.9030202@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <47D1CEF2.6030000@nut-n-but.net> David Bircumshaw wrote: >> What suggestions would you all offer to one beginning a study >> "modernism" and "postmodernism"? Also what nuggets of insight might >> you offer? That is, what impressions or definitions do you operate >> with about these terms? And teachers, what do you teach about them? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> lsg >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 'Modernism' could be re-defined as Post-Victorianism as it arose out > of the break-up of the dominant cultural rhetorics of the 19th century > international middle-classes. Certainly the use of the term 'modern' > in its respect really just means 'not nineteenth century in outlook or > practice'. The Rimbaud of 'Les Illuminations' can certainly be seen as > a proto-modernist. Whereas Hopkins, say, or Emily Dickinson, or > Whitman, although (in the first two cases) their writing wasn't in > wider circulation until the Modernist period, are all essentially > Victorian writers, but with styles that depart from the norms of their > times. > A 'Post-Modernist' is a modernist with nothing to say. Like a tribute > band. Or John Ashbery. I fully agree. I'd like to know what "post-modern" poets are more "post-modern" than Pound, for instance. The name, "modernism," is dumb; the name, "post-modernism" is ten times dumber. Kinds of art should be defined and named on the basis of what they most signally are, not for when they were said to have arisen. So, have students study "jump-cut poetry," for instance, which starts in anglophone poetry with Pound and Eliot (as far as I can make out) and continues with Ashbery and others, not "post modernist poetry," which nullinguists consider jump-cut poetry a strand of. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Mar 7 22:39:28 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:39:28 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry Message-ID: <47D20A70.8040406@opus40.org> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-lundberg/the-best-and-worst-of-cel_b_90362.html -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From lsgrimes at stonegulch.com Sat Mar 8 07:58:02 2008 From: lsgrimes at stonegulch.com (Linda Sue Grimes) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 06:58:02 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><47D13123.9030202@ntlworld.com> <47D1CEF2.6030000@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <007a01c8811c$0c180fb0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> I'm enjoying the input regarding "modernism" and "postmodernism." Much of it recalls what I learned in the English dept grad school at Ball State University in the '80s. Now, I have another inquiry: What would be your reaction to a reviewer designating your own literary products as "modernist" or "postmodernist"? Again, thanks in advance, lsg ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism David Bircumshaw wrote: What suggestions would you all offer to one beginning a study "modernism" and "postmodernism"? Also what nuggets of insight might you offer? That is, what impressions or definitions do you operate with about these terms? And teachers, what do you teach about them? Thanks in advance, lsg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Modernism' could be re-defined as Post-Victorianism as it arose out of the break-up of the dominant cultural rhetorics of the 19th century international middle-classes. Certainly the use of the term 'modern' in its respect really just means 'not nineteenth century in outlook or practice'. The Rimbaud of 'Les Illuminations' can certainly be seen as a proto-modernist. Whereas Hopkins, say, or Emily Dickinson, or Whitman, although (in the first two cases) their writing wasn't in wider circulation until the Modernist period, are all essentially Victorian writers, but with styles that depart from the norms of their times. A 'Post-Modernist' is a modernist with nothing to say. Like a tribute band. Or John Ashbery. I fully agree. I'd like to know what "post-modern" poets are more "post-modern" than Pound, for instance. The name, "modernism," is dumb; the name, "post-modernism" is ten times dumber. Kinds of art should be defined and named on the basis of what they most signally are, not for when they were said to have arisen. So, have students study "jump-cut poetry," for instance, which starts in anglophone poetry with Pound and Eliot (as far as I can make out) and continues with Ashbery and others, not "post modernist poetry," which nullinguists consider jump-cut poetry a strand of. --Bob G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsgrimes at stonegulch.com Sat Mar 8 08:04:36 2008 From: lsgrimes at stonegulch.com (Linda Sue Grimes) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:04:36 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry References: <47D20A70.8040406@opus40.org> Message-ID: <008301c8811c$f66ee7f0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> from the Huff-Post article: Ally Sheedy Poetry, Best Celebrity Poetry, Billy Collins Poetry, Bob Dylan Poetry, Celebrity Poetry, Charlie Sheen Poetry, Jeffy Tweedy Poetry, Leonard Nimoy Poetry, Suzanne Somers Poetry, Billy Collins? lsg ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOldMole" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-lundberg/the-best-and-worst-of-cel_b_90362.html > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shin02143 at aol.com Sat Mar 8 10:27:47 2008 From: shin02143 at aol.com (shin02143 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:27:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <007a01c8811c$0c180fb0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><47D13123.9030202@ntlworld.com> <47D1CEF2.6030000@nut-n-but.net> <007a01c8811c$0c180fb0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> Message-ID: <8CA4F4818AF5032-9F4-2AD0@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> The definition of postmodernism versus modernism seems very blurred. What do we consider "modernist"? Ezra Pound? T.S. Eliot? William Carlos Williams? EE Cummings? Wallace Stevens? Why not Walt Whitman or Gerard Manley Hopkins or Emily Dickinson? Each of these has his/her own particular stamp and is quite different from the others. Then what is "post" modernist? "Anything goes"? How does one "define" it? There are clearly currents in more recent poetry, confessionalism, language poetry, etc. Are the two terms helpful at all? I'm an autodidact poet and pretty much write as I like, without any historical sense. I like all of the above mentioned poets for their individual values and styles, but putting them into one or two broad categories seems strained to me. And the range of styles being written over the past few decades is mind-boggling. Any thoughts? Richard -----Original Message----- From: Linda Sue Grimes Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 7:58 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism I'm enjoying the input regarding "modernism" and "postmodernism."? Much of it?recalls what I?learned?in the English dept grad school at?Ball State University?in the '80s.? Now, I have another inquiry:? What would be your reaction to a reviewer designating your own?literary products as?"modernist" or "postmodernist"?? ? Again, thanks in advance, lsg ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism David Bircumshaw wrote: What suggestions would you all offer to one beginning a study "modernism" and "postmodernism"?? Also what nuggets of insight might you offer?? That is, what impressions or definitions do you operate with about these terms?? And teachers, what do you teach about them? ? Thanks in advance, lsg 'Modernism' could be re-defined as Post-Victorianism as it arose out of the break-up of the dominant cultural rhetorics of the 19th century international middle-classes. Certainly the use of the term 'modern' in its respect really just means 'not nineteenth century in outlook or practice'. The Rimbaud of 'Les Illuminations' can certainly be seen as a proto-modernist. Whereas Hopkins, say, or Emily Dickinson, or Whitman, although (in the first two cases) their writing wasn't in wider circulation until the Modernist period, are all essentially Victorian writers, but with styles that depart from the norms of their times. A 'Post-Modernist' is a modernist with nothing to say. Like a tribute band. Or John Ashbery. I fully agree.? I'd like to know what "post-modern" poets are more "post-modern" than Pound, for instance.? The name, "modernism," is dumb; the name, "post-modernism"? is ten times dumber.? Kinds of art should be defined and named on the basis of what they most signally are, not for when they were said to have arisen.? So, have students study "jump-cut poetry," for instance, which starts in anglophone poetry with Pound and Eliot (as far as I can make out) and continues with Ashbery and others, not "post modernist poetry," which nullinguists consider jump-cut poetry a strand of. --Bob G. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shin02143 at aol.com Sat Mar 8 10:29:13 2008 From: shin02143 at aol.com (shin02143 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:29:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry In-Reply-To: <008301c8811c$f66ee7f0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> References: <47D20A70.8040406@opus40.org> <008301c8811c$f66ee7f0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> Message-ID: <8CA4F484C105C76-9F4-2ADB@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> Leonard Nimoy poetry? Yikes! Live Long and Prosper. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Sue Grimes Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 8:04 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry from the Huff-Post article:? Ally Sheedy Poetry, Best Celebrity Poetry, Billy Collins Poetry, Bob Dylan Poetry, Celebrity Poetry, Charlie Sheen Poetry, Jeffy Tweedy Poetry, Leonard Nimoy Poetry, Suzanne Somers Poetry, ? Billy Collins?? ? lsg ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOldMole" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-lundberg/the-best-and-worst-of-cel_b_90362.html > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. >? --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sat Mar 8 10:55:12 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:55:12 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <007a01c8811c$0c180fb0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><47D13123.9030202@ntlworld.com> <47D1CEF2.6030000@nut-n-but.net> <007a01c8811c$0c180fb0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> Message-ID: <65D6AF3F-3D1A-4A66-9251-6BFB86A73B78@ripon.edu> Dunno if I have any airtight definitions to offer on this subject, and my interest in pure definition is vanishingly small anyway, but I would like to throw out a couple thoughts leading perhaps in other directions. Harold Bloom remarked many years ago that modernism wasn't really distinct from Romanticism, but simply an extension of it. That insight can explain one thing that seems to distinguish many attempts to distinguish modernism from postmodernism. The modernists, in other words, did employ devices of fragmentation, ellipsis, collage, jump-cut, etc., but did so in hopes of creating a new synthesis. Shoring the fragments against the ruins, and all that: the poet as heroic mythmaker after the death of God, even though in opposition to various 19th century attitudes. The postmodernists, in this analysis, are qualitatively different. They oppose mythmaking. God's death is old news. They hurl cold water on the very idea of the heroic poet, however degraded. Their entire project is to subvert, deconstruct, and flee any heroic project using--well, here it gets confusing--most of the modernist toolbox of collage, ellipsis, fragmentation, and so forth. (And perhaps it is needless to say that many poets writing today are still modernist/romantic in this way, sometimes hard to distinguish stylistically from postmodernists using many of the same techniques.) Bloom's comment has one advantage, at least: it focuses attention on a longer view than we often see in current debates. Distinguishing Ashbery from Stephen Dunn, in other words, may be less fruitful than looking further back in history for yardsticks. Gary Snyder once quite delightfully remarked that he was not very interested in human culture after the Pleistocene. Now *that's* a long view. One thing worth noting is that all the modernists were educated, often ferociously so, in what we once called The Tradition, and so was their intended audience. When Eliot famously called "the historical sense" essential to any poet who hopes to continue growing and developing, he was expressing an attitude that may well be less commonplace in our time, it seems to me. Definitions per se don't fascinate me much, but history does. And I tend to trust any critic in proportion to the degree the historical sense is evident in the criticism. In terms of taste, I tend to mistrust any poet who isn't passionate about at least some dead guys. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 8, 2008, at 6:58 AM, Linda Sue Grimes wrote: > I'm enjoying the input regarding "modernism" and "postmodernism." > Much of it recalls what I learned in the English dept grad school > at Ball State University in the '80s. Now, I have another > inquiry: What would be your reaction to a reviewer designating > your own literary products as "modernist" or "postmodernist"? > > Again, thanks in advance, > lsg > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Mar 8 11:44:48 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:44:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <65D6AF3F-3D1A-4A66-9251-6BFB86A73B78@ripon.edu> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><47D13123.9030202@ntlworld.com>< 47D1CEF2.6030000@nut-n-but.net><007a01c8811c$0c180fb0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <65D6AF3F-3D1A-4A66-9251-6BFB86A73B78@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <47D2C280.6000005@nut-n-but.net> I may be missing part or all of David's point but will blurt ahead, anyway. If one defines movements by the art turned out by those in it, history will automatically be included. A discussion of jump-cut poetry, for instance, will cover the history of poetry from 1920 or so till now. Literary history is fun and important, but poetics is something else. I see little point in comparing "romanticism" to "modernism"; neither can be defined intelligently enough for effective discussion. Instead, I would discuss formal verse versus free verse. Prior to that, one has only subject matter to discuss. And diction, I suppose, if we accept Wordsworth's claim as to speaking the language of real people. Nor do I see much point in comparing poets' aims. It's the work they produce that counts, not what they think they're doing. The so-called post-modernists may have a different attitude than the so-called modernists, but they're turning out the same sort of work--except for the very few who are using techniques none of the so-called modernists used. My impression, too, is that lots of so-called modernists had the same kind of vapid nihilistic feelings that so many so-called post-modernists have. Seems to me, too, that the so-called postmodernists are trying for a new synthesis--around the core ideas that existence is meaningless, communication impossible, etc. Maybe the most sensible thing to do would be to split this discussion into one about poetics and one about poets' attitudes. The conclusion I believe the first would reach is that p-m is nothing but a minor extension of m. The second could reasonably conclude that p-m is a kind of opposite of m. --Bob G. From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Mar 8 13:01:33 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:01:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <47D2C280.6000005@nut-n-but.net> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><47D13123.9030202@ntlworld.com>< 47D1CEF2.6030000@nut-n-but.net><007a01c8811c$0c180fb0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <65D6AF3F-3D1A-4A66-9251-6BFB86A73B78@ripon.edu> <47D2C280.6000005@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <47D2D47D.5010204@opus40.org> The reason why the arts movement of the first, say, third of the 20th Century is modernism and pioneering or visionary artists of earlier times are not included under its rubric is that Modernism is what that movement was called, not because it is more or less modern than other periods in out cultural history, just as the New Criticism isn't particularly new any more, and wasn't the first critical school to be new, Bob Grumman wrote: > I may be missing part or all of David's point but will blurt ahead, > anyway. If one defines movements by the art turned out by those in > it, history will automatically be included. A discussion of jump-cut > poetry, for instance, will cover the history of poetry from 1920 or so > till now. Literary history is fun and important, but poetics is > something else. > I see little point in comparing "romanticism" to "modernism"; neither > can be defined intelligently enough for effective discussion. > Instead, I would discuss formal verse versus free verse. Prior to > that, one has only subject matter to discuss. And diction, I suppose, > if we accept Wordsworth's claim as to speaking the language of real > people. > Nor do I see much point in comparing poets' aims. It's the work they > produce that counts, not what they think they're doing. The so-called > post-modernists may have a different attitude than the so-called > modernists, but they're turning out the same sort of work--except for > the very few who are using techniques none of the so-called modernists > used. My impression, too, is that lots of so-called modernists had > the same kind of vapid nihilistic feelings that so many so-called > post-modernists have. Seems to me, too, that the so-called > postmodernists are trying for a new synthesis--around the core ideas > that existence is meaningless, communication impossible, etc. > > Maybe the most sensible thing to do would be to split this discussion > into one about poetics and one about poets' attitudes. The conclusion > I believe the first would reach is that p-m is nothing but a minor > extension of m. The second could reasonably conclude that p-m is a > kind of opposite of m. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Mar 8 13:07:22 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:07:22 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Donald Finkel Tribute Message-ID: <47D2D5DA.3060408@opus40.org> As those who've been posting here for a while may know, Donald Finkel has been my lifelong mentor, friend, role model and inspiration. As you may or may not know, this wisest and most generous of men is now in the iron grip of Alheimer's. This April 7th, there will be a tribute reading for him in his adopted home town of St. Louis. I'll be going there for it. Here's a press release: *A Tribute to Donald Finkel* *Date: *Monday, April 7, 2008** *Time: *8 p.m.** *Location:* Duff?s Restaurant 392 N Euclid Ave St Louis, MO 63108 *Admission:* Free *March 5, 2008:* The largest reading ever of St. Louis poets will take place on April 7, 2008 at Duff?s Restaurant in the Central West End. The reading is in honor of Donald Finkel, long recognized as the leading figure among St. Louis poets. More than thirty poets are scheduled to read three of their favorite poems by Finkel, who was poet-in-residence at Washington University for more than thirty years. Poets scheduled to read include L.D. Brodsky, Michael Castro, David Clewell, Jane Ellen Ibur, Shirley LeFlore, Curtis Lyle, Eugene Redmon, Steve Schreiner, Howard Schwartz, Jason Sommer, Marjorie Stelmach, Nan Sweet, Eamonn Wall, and Jane O. Wayne. Many of these poets were students of Finkel over the years, and all admire and respect Finkel as a great poet and a great man. Born in the Bronx in 1929, Finkel came to St. Louis in 1960 after earning two degrees at Columbia University and teaching at the University of Iowa Writers Workshop (where he met his future wife, the poet Constance Urdang) and at Bard College. Finkel?s first poetry collection, /The Clothing?s New Emperor/, was published in 1959, to be followed by /Simeon/ (1964), /A Joyful Noise/ (1966), /The Garbage Wars/ (1970), /A Mote in Heaven?s Eye/ (1975), /What Manner of Beast/ (1981), /The Detachable Man/ (1984), /A Question of Seeing/ (1998). Finkel also published two retrospective collections, /Selected Shorter Poems/ (1987) and /Not So the Chairs/ (2003), and co-translated an anthology of works by contemporary Chinese poets, /A Splintered Mirror: Chinese Poetry from the Democracy Movement/ (1991). A recipient of the Theodore Roethke Memorial Award and the Morton Dauwen Zabel Award as well as grants from the National Endowment of the Arts and the Ingram Merrill Foundation, Finkel was also honored as a Guggenheim Fellow. He is perhaps best known for his book-length narrative poems -- /Answer Back/ (1968), /Adequate Earth/ (1972), /Endurance/Going Under/ (1978), and /The Wake of the Electron/ (1987). Tellingly, his fascination with themes of isolation abound in these explorations, from the endless cavern systems under Kentucky, which he prowled with fellow members of the Cave Research Foundation, to the barren wonders of Antarctica, which he was the very first poet ever to visit. As much as he has garnered recognition for his own body of work, Finkel is revered for his contributions as a teacher. In a tribute published in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 2003, former student David Clewell wrote of his mentor: ?I found in Don a teacher who seemed to know exactly when to coax, wheedle, admonish and applaud -- when to stay out of the way and when to get smack into it again. He taught his experience as well as the craft.... He couldn?t help but teach his passion for the art and his compassion for others involved in the same exhilarating, frustrating task: trying to get some small part of the world precisely right -- for a moment, at least -- in words.? -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Mar 8 13:20:42 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:20:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <47D2D47D.5010204@opus40.org> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><47D13123.9030202@ntlworld.com>< 47D1CEF2.6030000@nut-n-but.net><007a01c8811c$0c180fb0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <65D6AF3F-3D1A-4A66-9251-6BFB86A73B78@ripon.edu><47D2C280.6000005@nut-n-but.net> <47D2D47D.5010204@opus40.org> Message-ID: <47D2D8FA.1080906@nut-n-but.net> TheOldMole wrote: > The reason why the arts movement of the first, say, third of the 20th > Century is modernism and pioneering or visionary artists of earlier > times are not included under its rubric is that Modernism is what that > movement was called, not because it is more or less modern than other > periods in out cultural history, just as the New Criticism isn't > particularly new any more, and wasn't the first critical school to be > new, Right--because nullinguists got to name these things rather than people with functioning minds. --Bob G. From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 8 13:34:04 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:34:04 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <47D2D47D.5010204@opus40.org> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><47D13123.9030202@ntlworld.com>< 47D1CEF2.6030000@nut-n-but.net><007a01c8811c$0c180fb0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <65D6AF3F-3D1A-4A66-9251-6BFB86A73B78@ripon.edu><47D2C280.6000005@nut-n-but.net> <47D2D47D.5010204@opus40.org> Message-ID: <82517C5E22B24C3A9BF45AB6789FAFDB@AnnyPC> I increasingly depend on Wikipedia for any information I need, seen the encyclopedic evolution of my brain, this is the only way by which I can justify my attitude, should a justification be needed. If you consult Wikipedia under Modernism, you will see the useful subdivision into Modernism's first and second generation, Modernism after WWII, Modernism in the '60s, and beyond___ roughly from 1884- (Imagism, Futurism, Surrealism, the Bloomsbury Group, Bauhaus, Dada, ...) the second generation: 1930-1945 [what about Existentialism...] after WWII: with abstract art (reconstruction and deconstruction, should we mention postmodernism?) finally Modernism in the '60s and beyond [in literature probably postmodernism tout-court] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sat Mar 8 13:36:04 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:36:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] How To Help Message-ID: <878912.27953.qm@web83309.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> >From PEN American Center World-renowned writers from Chinaand North America marked International HumanRights Day by launching We Are Ready for Freedom of Expression, a campaign thatchallenges the Chinese government to release all the writers and journalists itis holding in prisons before the August 8, 2008 opening of the Olympic Games.Noted Chinese authors Liu Xiaobo and Zheng Yi were among those joininginternational counterparts including Margaret Atwood, Francine Prose, andSalman Rushdie in issuing the challenge on behalf of PEN. PEN?S LETTER TO THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT PEN Presidents Francine Prose, Zheng Yi, and Nelofer Pazirawrite to the Chinese government on behalf of PEN. Excellencies: We are writing on behalf of our members and the entirecommunity of International PEN, the worldwide association of writers, to urgeyou to release 40 of our colleagues who are in prison in your country inviolation of their right to freedom of expression. Continue the rest of the letter here - http://pen.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/1812/prmID/172 ~~ Please take thirty seconds for the following: 1. Sign the petition to the Chinese government ? http://www.pen.org/page.php/prmID/1545 2. Sign the petition to the U.S. Congress ? http://www.pen.org/page.php/prmID/1546 3. Sign up to receive breaking campaign news and action alerts ? mailto:sarah at pen.org?subject=Add%20me%20to%20the%20China%20Campaign%20List Also, PEN American Centerhas been working tirelessly to get the word out as these petitions really dohave an impact. Four writers haverecently been released as the Chinese government does respond to international pressure. 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URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 8 15:18:23 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:18:23 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] M104 Hubble Remix Message-ID: this is such an incredible pic I just forwarded to my blog: ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: anny.ballardini at tin.it Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: [NarcissusWorks] M104 Hubble Remix M104 Hubble Remix Credit & Copyright: Vicent Peris (OAUV / PTeam), MAST, STScI, AURA, NASA Explanation: The striking spiral galaxy M104 is famous for its nearly edge-on profile featuring a broad ring of obscuring dust. Seen in silhouette against a bright bulge of stars, the swath of cosmic dust lanes lends a hat-like appearance to the galaxy in optical images suggesting the more popular moniker, The Sombrero Galaxy. Here, Hubble Space Telescope archival image data has been reprocessed to create this alternative look at the well-known galaxy. The newly developed processing improves the visibility of details otherwise lost in overwhelming glare, in this case allowing features of the galaxy's dust lanes to be followed well into the bright central region. About 50,000 light-years across and 28 million light-years away, M104 is one of the largest galaxies at the southern edge of the Virgo Galaxy Cluster. -- Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 3/08/2008 08:44:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reneea at verizon.net Sat Mar 8 15:20:42 2008 From: reneea at verizon.net (Renee Ashley) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:20:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Donald Finkel Tribute References: <47D2D5DA.3060408@opus40.org> Message-ID: <003f01c88159$e2685560$0301a8c0@Barnette> Oh . . . I'm so very sorry to hear this. Mr. Finkel chose my manuscript in a contest many years ago and gave me, by doing so, my first book. I'm heartsick to hear of his illness. I will certainly be thinking of him. . . Renee Ashley > As those who've been posting here for a while may know, Donald Finkel has > been my lifelong mentor, friend, role model and inspiration. As you may or > may not know, this wisest and most generous of men is now in the iron grip > of Alheimer's. From lsgrimes at stonegulch.com Sat Mar 8 15:59:18 2008 From: lsgrimes at stonegulch.com (Linda Sue Grimes) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 14:59:18 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry References: <47D20A70.8040406@opus40.org><008301c8811c$f66ee7f0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <8CA4F484C105C76-9F4-2ADB@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c8815f$4736d070$0201a8c0@LindaSue> Leonard Nimoy is a celebrity in the same sense as all the others on that list, except Billy Collins. Collins is a former poet laureate, not a movie star, singer, or TV star. If Collins is a celebrity, it's actually for poetry. lsg ----- Original Message ----- From: shin02143 at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry Leonard Nimoy poetry? Yikes! Live Long and Prosper. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Sue Grimes Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 8:04 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry from the Huff-Post article: Ally Sheedy Poetry, Best Celebrity Poetry, Billy Collins Poetry, Bob Dylan Poetry, Celebrity Poetry, Charlie Sheen Poetry, Jeffy Tweedy Poetry, Leonard Nimoy Poetry, Suzanne Somers Poetry, Billy Collins? lsg ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOldMole" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-lundberg/the-best-and-worst-of-cel_b_90362.html > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Supercharge your AIM. 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If it were me, and I were going to choose a songwriter whose works hold up in a literary context, I'd choose Chuck Berr. Linda Sue Grimes wrote: > Leonard Nimoy is a celebrity in the same sense as all the others on > that list, except Billy Collins. Collins is a former poet laureate, > not a movie star, singer, or TV star. If Collins is a celebrity, it's > actually for poetry. > > lsg > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* shin02143 at aol.com > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Sent:* Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:29 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry > > Leonard Nimoy poetry? Yikes! Live Long and Prosper. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Sue Grimes > > Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 8:04 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry > > from the Huff-Post article: Ally Sheedy Poetry > , Best > Celebrity Poetry > , */Billy > Collins Poetry/* > , Bob > Dylan Poetry , > Celebrity Poetry > , Charlie > Sheen Poetry > , Jeffy > Tweedy Poetry > , Leonard > Nimoy Poetry > , Suzanne > Somers Poetry > , > > Billy Collins? > > lsg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TheOldMole" > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:39 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-lundberg/the-best-and-worst-of-cel_b_90362.html > > > > -- > > Tad Richards > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > The moral is this: in American verse, > > The better you are, the pay is worse. > > --Corey Ford > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar > > for your browser. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From jforjames at aol.com Sat Mar 8 18:26:36 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:26:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Donald Finkel Tribute In-Reply-To: <47D2D5DA.3060408@opus40.org> References: <47D2D5DA.3060408@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CA4F8AFCAEAE4A-E58-409@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Tho sad news, thanks for sending this Tad. I've not kept in contact with Don over the years, but he was one of first real poets I knew and admired. The students he had a Wash U in St. Louis, almost to a one, loved working with him. And I think was what he brought to the table..they were all in this endeavor called poetry together. I may try to join you out there in St. Louis. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 1:07 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Donald Finkel Tribute As those who've been posting here for a while may know, Donald Finkel has been my lifelong mentor, friend, role model and inspiration. As you may or may not know, this wisest and most generous of men is now in the iron grip of Alheimer's. This April 7th, there will be a tribute reading for him in his adopted home town of St. Louis. I'll be going there for it. Here's a press release:? ? *A Tribute to Donald Finkel*? ? *Date: *Monday, April 7, 2008**? ? *Time: *8 p.m.**? ? *Location:* Duff?s Restaurant? ? 392 N Euclid Ave? ? St Louis, MO 63108? ? *Admission:* Free? ? *March 5, 2008:* The largest reading ever of St. Louis poets will take place on April 7, 2008 at Duff?s Restaurant in the Central West End. The reading is in honor of Donald Finkel, long recognized as the leading figure among St. Louis poets. More than thirty poets are scheduled to read three of their favorite poems by Finkel, who was poet-in-residence at Washington University for more than thirty years.? ? Poets scheduled to read include L.D. Brodsky, Michael Castro, David Clewell, Jane Ellen Ibur, Shirley LeFlore, Curtis Lyle, Eugene Redmon, Steve Schreiner, Howard Schwartz, Jason Sommer, Marjorie Stelmach, Nan Sweet, Eamonn Wall, and Jane O. Wayne. Many of these poets were students of Finkel over the years, and all admire and respect Finkel as a great poet and a great man.? ? Born in the Bronx in 1929, Finkel came to St. Louis in 1960 after earning two degrees at Columbia University and teaching at the University of Iowa Writers Workshop (where he met his future wife, the poet Constance Urdang) and at Bard College.? ? Finkel?s first poetry collection, /The Clothing?s New Emperor/, was published in 1959, to be followed by /Simeon/ (1964), /A Joyful Noise/ (1966), /The Garbage Wars/ (1970), /A Mote in Heaven?s Eye/ (1975), /What Manner of Beast/ (1981), /The Detachable Man/ (1984), /A Question of Seeing/ (1998). Finkel also published two retrospective collections, /Selected Shorter Poems/ (1987) and /Not So the Chairs/ (2003), and co-translated an anthology of works by contemporary Chinese poets, /A Splintered Mirror: Chinese Poetry from the Democracy Movement/ (1991). A recipient of the Theodore Roethke Memorial Award and the Morton Dauwen Zabel Award as well as grants from the National Endowment of the Arts and the Ingram Merrill Foundation, Finkel was also honored as a Guggenheim Fellow.? ? He is perhaps best known for his book-length narrative poems -- /Answer Back/ (1968), /Adequate Earth/ (1972), /Endurance/Going Under/ (1978), and /The Wake of the Electron/ (1987). Tellingly, his fascination with themes of isolation abound in these explorations, from the endless cavern systems under Kentucky, which he prowled with fellow members of the Cave Research Foundation, to the barren wonders of Antarctica, which he was the very first poet ever to visit.? ? As much as he has garnered recognition for his own body of work, Finkel is revered for his contributions as a teacher. In a tribute published in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 2003, former student David Clewell wrote of his mentor: ?I found in Don a teacher who seemed to know exactly when to coax, wheedle, admonish and applaud -- when to stay out of the way and when to get smack into it again. He taught his experience as well as the craft.... He couldn?t help but teach his passion for the art and his compassion for others involved in the same exhilarating, frustrating task: trying to get some small part of the world precisely right -- for a moment, at least -- in words.?? ? -- Tad Richards? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? The moral is this: in American verse,? The better you are, the pay is worse.? ?--Corey Ford? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's no way that I could have stayed away. I was Don's student at Bard, when he was first starting out -- his first book, The Clothing's New Emperor, had just been released. I've always sent him my poems, and he's always exactly identified the soft spots. Anything I've done as a teacher, has been to try and live up to his example -- his and Don Justice's. Here's a late poem, written not long before the descent into Alzheimer's, eerily prophetic: Burden Nouns were the first to slip away. Was it because they were easier to forget, or the most dispensable? Funerals back then were milling with nouns whose names he'd forgotten, if he'd ever met them. Evidently, somewhere out there a swarm of improper nouns had prospered and multiplied. Odd nouns came knocking every day looking for work, till the old bard left off answering the door. Verbs were beasts of another persuasion. For a while some stayed behind, pacing the halls or curled on the living room sofa. But they had to be fed. Some nights they sank their claws in his thigh when they were hungry. As the last syllable crept away, he felt a peculiar lightness, like the wisp that rises, from a smoldering wick? as if words were the burden he'd been bearing, all his life. jforjames at aol.com wrote: > Tho sad news, thanks for sending this Tad. I've not kept in contact > with Don over the years, but he was one of first real poets I knew and > admired. The students he had a Wash U in St. Louis, almost to a one, > loved working with him. And I think was what he brought to the > table..they were all in this endeavor called poetry together. > I may try to join you out there in St. Louis. > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 1:07 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Donald Finkel Tribute > > As those who've been posting here for a while may know, Donald Finkel > has been my lifelong mentor, friend, role model and inspiration. As > you may or may not know, this wisest and most generous of men is now > in the iron grip of Alheimer's. This April 7th, there will be a > tribute reading for him in his adopted home town of St. Louis. I'll be > going there for it. Here's a press release: > > *A Tribute to Donald Finkel* > > *Date: *Monday, April 7, 2008** > > *Time: *8 p.m.** > > *Location:* Duff?s Restaurant > > 392 N Euclid Ave > > St Louis, MO 63108 > > *Admission:* Free > > *March 5, 2008:* The largest reading ever of St. Louis poets will take > place on April 7, 2008 at Duff?s Restaurant in the Central West End. > The reading is in honor of Donald Finkel, long recognized as the > leading figure among St. Louis poets. More than thirty poets are > scheduled to read three of their favorite poems by Finkel, who was > poet-in-residence at Washington University for more than thirty years. > > Poets scheduled to read include L.D. Brodsky, Michael Castro, David > Clewell, Jane Ellen Ibur, Shirley LeFlore, Curtis Lyle, Eugene Redmon, > Steve Schreiner, Howard Schwartz, Jason Sommer, Marjorie Stelmach, Nan > Sweet, Eamonn Wall, and Jane O. Wayne. Many of these poets were > students of Finkel over the years, and all admire and respect Finkel > as a great poet and a great man. > > Born in the Bronx in 1929, Finkel came to St. Louis in 1960 after > earning two degrees at Columbia University and teaching at the > University of Iowa Writers Workshop (where he met his future wife, the > poet Constance Urdang) and at Bard College. > > Finkel?s first poetry collection, /The Clothing?s New Emperor/, was > published in 1959, to be followed by /Simeon/ (1964), /A Joyful Noise/ > (1966), /The Garbage Wars/ (1970), /A Mote in Heaven?s Eye/ (1975), > /What Manner of Beast/ (1981), /The Detachable Man/ (1984), /A > Question of Seeing/ (1998). Finkel also published two retrospective > collections, /Selected Shorter Poems/ (1987) and /Not So the Chairs/ > (2003), and co-translated an anthology of works by contemporary > Chinese poets, /A Splintered Mirror: Chinese Poetry from the Democracy > Movement/ (1991). A recipient of the Theodore Roethke Memorial Award > and the Morton Dauwen Zabel Award as well as grants from the National > Endowment of the Arts and the Ingram Merrill Foundation, Finkel was > also honored as a Guggenheim Fellow. > > He is perhaps best known for his book-length narrative poems -- > /Answer Back/ (1968), /Adequate Earth/ (1972), /Endurance/Going Under/ > (1978), and /The Wake of the Electron/ (1987). Tellingly, his > fascination with themes of isolation abound in these explorations, > from the endless cavern systems under Kentucky, which he prowled with > fellow members of the Cave Research Foundation, to the barren wonders > of Antarctica, which he was the very first poet ever to visit. > > As much as he has garnered recognition for his own body of work, > Finkel is revered for his contributions as a teacher. In a tribute > published in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 2003, former student David > Clewell wrote of his mentor: ?I found in Don a teacher who seemed to > know exactly when to coax, wheedle, admonish and applaud -- when to > stay out of the way and when to get smack into it again. He taught his > experience as well as the craft.... He couldn?t help but teach his > passion for the art and his compassion for others involved in the same > exhilarating, frustrating task: trying to get some small part of the > world precisely right -- for a moment, at least -- in words.? > > -- Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar > > for your browser. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Mar 8 19:08:55 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:08:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D32A97.3060305@opus40.org> Jewel wasn't all that bad, either. If I'd had her as a student in a creative writing class, I would have told her she had a lot of promise, and encouraged her to keep writing. But I wouldn't have told her to publish a book. Jim Morrison was even worse than Leonard Nimoy. Viggo Mortensen is, I believe, pretty serious about poetry. NBA star Tom Meschery attended the Iowa Wokshop after his playing career, and wrote some very creditable stuff. Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > I wrote an article years ago about Suzanne Somers, Lionard Nimoy, > Richard "John Boy" Thomas, Buddy Hackett, and others as poets. Nimoy > was terrible. Somers was not too bad (at least there was some irony > there) and Richard Thomas was pretty good (Ashbery dedicated a book to > Thomas and his wife). Hackett, well . . . > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From jforjames at aol.com Sat Mar 8 19:02:44 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:02:44 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Vitale on Lee Message-ID: <8CA4F9009257574-E58-4F7@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87784720 Li-Young Lee on NPR today. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ally Sheedy Poetry, Best Celebrity Poetry, Billy Collins Poetry, Bob Dylan Poetry, Celebrity Poetry, Charlie Sheen Poetry, Jeffy Tweedy Poetry, Leonard Nimoy Poetry, Suzanne Somers Poetry, ? Billy Collins?? ? lsg ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOldMole" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-lundberg/the-best-and-worst-of-cel_b_90362.html > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. >? --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Supercharge your AIM. 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Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Linda Sue Grimes Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 7:58 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism I'm enjoying the input regarding "modernism" and "postmodernism."? Much of it?recalls what I?learned?in the English dept grad school at?Ball State University?in the '80s.? Now, I have another inquiry:? What would be your reaction to a reviewer designating your own?literary products as?"modernist" or "postmodernist"?? ? Again, thanks in advance, lsg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Water from a warm season must seep into an invisible fissure along the boulder before freezing and expanding to open the crack wider. Leaf litter collects there and moss takes hold before any errant maple seed helicopters in. How many seasons must this cycle repeat before enough decay has collected to sprout a seed? It?s in the cracks where nature adjusts, changes, and teems, a marginal place that exists without borders, physical or theoretical, a place where something new might evolve out of the muck. ?Nature in the Cracks? seeks writing about wildness found in strange places ? from landfills to prisons, sidewalk cracks to salad crispers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfq at myuw.net Sat Mar 8 23:16:00 2008 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:16:00 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <47D2D8FA.1080906@nut-n-but.net> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><47D13123.9030202@ntlworld.com>< 47D1CEF2.6030000@nut-n-but.net><007a01c8811c$0c180fb0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <65D6AF3F-3D1A-4A66-9251-6BFB86A73B78@ripon.edu><47D2C280.6000005@nut-n-but.net> <47D2D47D.5010204@opus40.org> <47D2D8FA.1080906@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <4D8EB149-8248-40AE-A13E-E6660861896B@myuw.net> It's not the first time that's happened either. There was a time, for example, when classical didn't mean old it just meant "the best." Baroque and Rococo both have taken on different meanings from their original usage. I personally am looking forward to the Post- Contemporary movement and have started to write manifestoes to that end. On Mar 8, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > TheOldMole wrote: >> The reason why the arts movement of the first, say, third of the >> 20th Century is modernism and pioneering or visionary artists of >> earlier times are not included under its rubric is that Modernism >> is what that movement was called, not because it is more or less >> modern than other periods in out cultural history, just as the New >> Criticism isn't particularly new any more, and wasn't the first >> critical school to be new, > > Right--because nullinguists got to name these things rather than > people with functioning minds. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jfq at myuw.net Sun Mar 9 00:37:38 2008 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:37:38 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Songwriters Was: Celebrity Poetry In-Reply-To: <47D31B08.9030601@opus40.org> References: <47D20A70.8040406@opus40.org><008301c8811c$f66ee7f0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <8CA4F484C105C76-9F4-2ADB@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> <000d01c8815f$4736d070$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <47D31B08.9030601@opus40.org> Message-ID: I think there are a lot of songwriters who hold up in a a literary context. Here is my partial list of songwriters that I think can hold their own with the best that mainstream poetry has to offer, as well as a representative line: In no particular order: Liz Phair: "Johnny my love, we got us a witness now all we gotta do is get a preacher, he can probably skip the until death part, 'cause Johnny my love you're already dead" Kurt Cobain: "Sunday morning is every day for all I care. i'm not scared, I light my candles in a daze 'cause I found God" Tricky: "You and me: what does that mean? Always: what does that mean? Forever: what does that mean? It means we'll manage I'll master your language and in the meantime I'll create my own by my own." Frank Black: "If man is five if man is five if man is five if man is five, and the devil is six and the devil is six and the devil is six and the devil is six, and if the devil is six then god is seven then god is seven then god is seven; this monkey's gone to heaven." Common: "I'm the nigga that you put a chain on the door for, the nigga that you started changing the laws for." Joe Strummer: "It's the pause that refreshes in the corridors of power when the top men need a top up long before the happy hour" John Lennon: "only to find the night watchmen unaware of his presence in the building" Tom Waits: "never trust a man in a blue trench coat, never drive a car when you're dead" Thom Yorke: "karma police, arrest this man, he talks in maths he buzzes like a fridge he's like a detuned radio." John Lydon: "I'm going over to the other side, i'm happy to have not to have not, big business is very wise, I'm inside free enterprise, this is not a love song." Geologic: "Got with amazon.com they had a lot of cross dressers goth cats ex cons and single mom's on the elevator up my walkman on flash a badge for security the mark of the beast but with skills to persuade through speech you'd be amazed to see how many customer service reps are MCs." On Mar 8, 2008, at 3:02 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > Collins is listed in the keys at the top of the article because > he's mentioned in the article, but he's mentioned as a real poet, > not a celebrity. > > If it were me, and I were going to choose a songwriter whose works > hold up in a literary context, I'd choose Chuck Berr. > > Linda Sue Grimes wrote: >> Leonard Nimoy is a celebrity in the same sense as all the others >> on that list, except Billy Collins. Collins is a former poet >> laureate, not a movie star, singer, or TV star. If Collins is a >> celebrity, it's actually for poetry. >> lsg >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* shin02143 at aol.com >> *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:29 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry >> >> Leonard Nimoy poetry? Yikes! Live Long and Prosper. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Linda Sue Grimes > > >> Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 8:04 am >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry >> >> from the Huff-Post article: Ally Sheedy Poetry >> , Best >> Celebrity Poetry >> , */ >> Billy >> Collins Poetry/* >> , Bob >> Dylan Poetry > poetry>, >> Celebrity Poetry >> , Charlie >> Sheen Poetry >> , Jeffy >> Tweedy Poetry >> , Leonard >> Nimoy Poetry >> , Suzanne >> Somers Poetry >> , >> Billy Collins? lsg >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "TheOldMole" > > >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" >> > >> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:39 PM >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Celebrity Poetry >> >> > >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-lundberg/the-best-and-worst- >> of-cel_b_90362.html >> > >> > -- >> > Tad Richards >> > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> > >> > The moral is this: in American verse, >> > The better you are, the pay is worse. >> > --Corey Ford >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New-Poetry mailing list >> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar >> > NCID=aolcmp00300000002586> >> for your browser. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From amparker at davidson.edu Sun Mar 9 01:45:13 2008 From: amparker at davidson.edu (Parker, Alan Michael) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 01:45:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Don Finkel Message-ID: Hi, folks. Don was my teacher at Wash U for four years, my thesis advisor, and my mentor. The stories of his generosity and good cheer--and ferocity, in an affable way--are true. I loved him then, and have modeled myself after him, pedagogically, for years. Connie Urdang, his late wife, was also a fine person, and important to me. I kept in touch w/ Don for many years after I finished undergrad ('83), and he was always delighted and delightful in correspondence. I'm going to check my schedule too, and see if I can be there. Best, AMP Alan Michael Parker www.amparker.com From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 01:54:01 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:54:01 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Songwriters Was: Celebrity Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <47D20A70.8040406@opus40.org> <008301c8811c$f66ee7f0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <8CA4F484C105C76-9F4-2ADB@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> <000d01c8815f$4736d070$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <47D31B08.9030601@opus40.org> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0803082254h71f1e8aake4a2af41240d791d@mail.gmail.com> A number of those artists figure into my all-time favorites, and I can imagine-- based on some of the lines you posted-- that they could be right up there with great contemporary poets... but I don't think they actually are. Without the music most of the lyrics-- even the great ones-- fall flat in my ear. Which makes sense (to me) since the music I would look for in the words, phrasing, syntax, pacing, rhythm, etc. has been left up to the actual music the lyrics belong to. c -- Chris Lott From jfq at myuw.net Sun Mar 9 03:07:42 2008 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 23:07:42 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Songwriters Was: Celebrity Poetry In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0803082254h71f1e8aake4a2af41240d791d@mail.gmail.com> References: <47D20A70.8040406@opus40.org> <008301c8811c$f66ee7f0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <8CA4F484C105C76-9F4-2ADB@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> <000d01c8815f$4736d070$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <47D31B08.9030601@opus40.org> <9b1b9dab0803082254h71f1e8aake4a2af41240d791d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12B8CC9A-5828-4FAE-88FE-D0CA208A3E69@myuw.net> Well, you're right song lyrics are song lyrics and have to be evaluated as such. Still I'd argue that it's just as true that a lot of the best of contemporary poetry wouldn't hold up as song lyrics anymore than song lyrics hold up as poems. the song lyric is a different genre of poetry just like performance poetry, visual poetry, or sound poetry. What I think is interesting is that the song lyric is by far the most popular contemporary form that poetry takes, and the reason that that is interesting is that it returns to a model that was seen in classical poetry. I think sappho, for example, would be far more compelling if heard sung in the original context and it's unfortunate that we aren't able to do that listening. I also think it's a shame that various laments about the state of contemporary poetry fail to take into account the vitality of the song lyric form and how important it is to so many people. Song lyrics are treated like second class citizens by most "serious" poets, and I think that's a mistake. On Mar 8, 2008, at 10:54 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > A number of those artists figure into my all-time favorites, and I can > imagine-- based on some of the lines you posted-- that they could be > right up there with great contemporary poets... but I don't think they > actually are. Without the music most of the lyrics-- even the great > ones-- fall flat in my ear. Which makes sense (to me) since the music > I would look for in the words, phrasing, syntax, pacing, rhythm, etc. > has been left up to the actual music the lyrics belong to. > > c > -- > Chris Lott > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 04:02:57 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 23:02:57 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Songwriters Was: Celebrity Poetry In-Reply-To: <12B8CC9A-5828-4FAE-88FE-D0CA208A3E69@myuw.net> References: <47D20A70.8040406@opus40.org> <008301c8811c$f66ee7f0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <8CA4F484C105C76-9F4-2ADB@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> <000d01c8815f$4736d070$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <47D31B08.9030601@opus40.org> <9b1b9dab0803082254h71f1e8aake4a2af41240d791d@mail.gmail.com> <12B8CC9A-5828-4FAE-88FE-D0CA208A3E69@myuw.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0803090002i3bb30c3ehb122c937bbccac0f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Jason Quackenbush wrote > Well, you're right song lyrics are song lyrics and have to be > evaluated as such. Still I'd argue that it's just as true that a lot > of the best of contemporary poetry wouldn't hold up as song lyrics > anymore than song lyrics hold up as poems. I can't argue with that. I guess I think song lyrics *are* second class poems-- even if they are first-class lyrics. Seems unfair to compare them without their music anyway. It's pretty hard to disentangle the performance from the poem when you start talking about lyrics, performance pieces, slam poems, etc. Occasionally one will be lively on the page, but most of the time they are dull (again, to my ears). I don't discount them for that, I just don't tend to spend much time reading them that way. I'd rather hear the lyrics with the music and the performance pieces with the performance I guess. It's pretty much undeniable that lyrics are the most popular form of poetry! c From jfq at myuw.net Sun Mar 9 04:24:50 2008 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 00:24:50 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Literary Songwriters Was: Celebrity Poetry In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0803090002i3bb30c3ehb122c937bbccac0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <47D20A70.8040406@opus40.org> <008301c8811c$f66ee7f0$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <8CA4F484C105C76-9F4-2ADB@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> <000d01c8815f$4736d070$0201a8c0@LindaSue> <47D31B08.9030601@opus40.org> <9b1b9dab0803082254h71f1e8aake4a2af41240d791d@mail.gmail.com> <12B8CC9A-5828-4FAE-88FE-D0CA208A3E69@myuw.net> <9b1b9dab0803090002i3bb30c3ehb122c937bbccac0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh I agree. What I guess I'm trying to say is that I think best to listen to song lyrics as a form of poetry with a different set of rules. Just like I think it's difficult to compare visual poetry to a printed poem that isn't visual poetry, well, I think the song lyric compared to the printed poem has a similar relationship. That is, it isn't a second class poem because that means you can make such a comparison. Better to take them at their own, recognize them as a form of poetry, and rest assured that poetry isn't dead. Because they aren't supposed to work on the page, and the most important thing about them, which is the way that the sounds and rhythms of the speech act interact with the sounds and rhythm of the musical setting, is completely lost in a different medium. On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Jason Quackenbush > wrote >> Well, you're right song lyrics are song lyrics and have to be >> evaluated as such. Still I'd argue that it's just as true that a lot >> of the best of contemporary poetry wouldn't hold up as song lyrics >> anymore than song lyrics hold up as poems. > > I can't argue with that. I guess I think song lyrics *are* second > class poems-- even if they are first-class lyrics. Seems unfair to > compare them without their music anyway. It's pretty hard to > disentangle the performance from the poem when you start talking about > lyrics, performance pieces, slam poems, etc. Occasionally one will be > lively on the page, but most of the time they are dull (again, to my > ears). I don't discount them for that, I just don't tend to spend much > time reading them that way. I'd rather hear the lyrics with the music > and the performance pieces with the performance I guess. > > It's pretty much undeniable that lyrics are the most popular form > of poetry! > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From halvard at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 11:25:07 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:25:07 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Another goddamned list to aspire to Message-ID: <78EE207F-0359-4131-83ED-5E114CA8A84F@earthlink.net> http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=520472 "Some dangerous poem is always stalking you." --Heberto Padilla Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Edward.Byrne at valpo.edu Sun Mar 9 11:37:55 2008 From: Edward.Byrne at valpo.edu (Edward Byrne) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:37:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Donald Justice: "Time and the Weather" Message-ID: <47D3BE02.7112.006E.0@valpo.edu> This weekend, while the year is yet early and blowing snow continues to fill the bay window beside me, and as many have adjusted their clocks for the shift to U.S. Daylight Saving Time?once done after the drift into spring rather than while still in winter?that occurred between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m., I am once again mindful of Donald Justice, a poet whose work repeatedly exhibited an exquisite sense of time, both in content and in style. An interest in the passage of time, including its positive and negative influences on people or places, frequently was pronounced among Justice?s favorite themes . . .: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/2008/03/donald-justice-time-and-weather.html -------------------------------------------------- Edward Byrne Department of English 322 Huegli Hall Valparaiso University Valparaiso, IN 46383-6493 E-mail: edward.byrne at valpo.edu Home Page: http://www.valpo.edu/home/faculty/ebyrne/homepage/ Blog: http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/ Editor, Valparaiso Poetry Review E-mail: vpr at valpo.edu VPR Web Page: http://www.valpo.edu/english/vpr/ Office Phone: (219) 464-5278 Fax: (219) 464-5511 -------------------------------------------------- From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Mar 9 13:06:09 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:06:09 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Don Finkel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D41901.4030802@opus40.org> It would be great. Parker, Alan Michael wrote: > Hi, folks. > > Don was my teacher at Wash U for four years, my thesis advisor, and my > mentor. The stories of his generosity and good cheer--and ferocity, in an > affable way--are true. I loved him then, and have modeled myself after him, > pedagogically, for years. Connie Urdang, his late wife, was also a fine > person, and important to me. I kept in touch w/ Don for many years after I > finished undergrad ('83), and he was always delighted and delightful in > correspondence. > > I'm going to check my schedule too, and see if I can be there. > > Best, > AMP > > Alan Michael Parker > www.amparker.com > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From pmetres at jcu.edu Sun Mar 9 15:19:37 2008 From: pmetres at jcu.edu (Philip Metres) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] TO SEE THE EARTH Message-ID: <20080309151937.BIO31563@mirapoint.jcu.edu> I'm pleased to announce the publication of my book of poems, *To See the Earth* (Cleveland State UP 2008). It can be purchased at Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/See-Earth-Philip-Metres/dp/1880834812/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203101973&sr=8-5 If you are interested in reviewing this book of poems, teaching this book, or hosting a reading, please email me at pmetres at jcu.edu. Here is some description of the book: *To See the Earth* navigates the increasingly turbulent waters of a globalized world?-from Moscow to Chicago, from Philadelphia to Ramallah. In poems haunted by Anna Akhmatova, Robert Lowell, and Lev Rubinstein, Metres renders in vivid language what Fredric Jameson called "cognitive mapping"-?a kind of "situational representation on the part of the individual subject to the vaster and properly unrepresentable totality." *To See the Earth* travels to Russia, memorializes immigrant Arab American family life in a Brooklyn brownstone, witnesses to the violence visited upon people both at home and abroad, and carves out of such losses images of hope?-the birthing not of a terrible beauty, but of the "dreaming disarmed body." "An emotionally and intellectually charged poetry of various and intricately formed voices--a poetry that speaks of and against the unprecedented, destructive horrors taking place throughout our world, a poetry which, simultaneously, speaks for the radical truths of the essential love that infuses the best of the art of American poetry in our time. ?...do you speak speak?--Philip Metres's poetry speaks to us all, in ways critical, vital, profound, and brilliant." (Lawrence Joseph) Set in landscapes ranging from Russia to Kentucky, from Ephesus to the Murder Capital of the World (that?s Gary, Indiana!), from Cleveland to Hiroshima, Philip Metres?s superb poems explore the confusion and complexities that ordinary people face in talking to one another on this earth-- in the slippery language of everyday speech, or across the secured borders of grammar and history. Words are not abstractions to Metres?-they?re as physical as fifty women making PEACE with their bodies, as mysterious as a bat soaring to unheard music, as illuminating as an ash tree "burning into its name." Committed to an examination of both the public and the private life, these powerful poems echo in the mind long after the book is closed.--Maura Stanton "Do our voyages, Auden once asked, "still promise the Juster Life"? Too many of us would answer this question in the negative?not so Philip Metres. His poems seek above all to traverse borders, not merely those between nations and cultures but also--and most importantly--between the self and history, between the personal and the political. Metres plays for high stakes, and he also knows that such ambition is pointless without the sure command of craft which he displays in abundance. To See the Earth is a debut of unusual distinction." (David Wojahn) Thanks for reading, Peace, Philip Metres Associate Professor Department of English John Carroll University 20700 N. Park Blvd University Heights, OH 44118 phone: (216) 397-4528 (work) fax: (216) 397-1723 http://www.philipmetres.com http://www.behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com From jforjames at aol.com Sun Mar 9 18:09:54 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:09:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] TO SEE THE EARTH In-Reply-To: <20080309151937.BIO31563@mirapoint.jcu.edu> References: <20080309151937.BIO31563@mirapoint.jcu.edu> Message-ID: <8CA504970074C76-16BC-2113@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> Congrats and good luck with your book, Philip. Finnegan? -----Original Message----- From: Philip Metres To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 3:19 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] TO SEE THE EARTH I'm pleased to announce the publication of my book of poems, *To See the Earth* (Cleveland State UP 2008). 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According to H?schele, epigrams are ?very little poems? that first appeared in the eighth century BC, inscribed on tombstones or votive offerings. In fact, ?some of the earliest texts in all of western literature are epigrams,? H?schele explained. Over time, these inscriptions evolved to become more elaborate and by the Hellenistic age in the third century BC, poets were writing epigrams for books. Authors began playing with the conventions of epigraphical poetry and some poems even started to develop erotic shadings only seen previously in the form of song. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Like Salter, many of the New Formalists modeled their work on a strategically narrowed version of Elizabeth Bishop, a poet who wrote both free and formal verse with homespun virtuosity. But while Bishop continues to be read, the polemics associated with both the New Formalism and Language poetry feel dated, part of the niggling history of taste rather than the grand history of art. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Mar 9 20:51:13 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:51:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Longenbach on Salter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56FB86BA-3B1B-40DA-81A1-40EAD85A9DE2@ripon.edu> Alfred Corn on James Longenbach on Mary Jo Salter: http://alfredcornsweblog.blogspot.com/ (blog entry for 3/9/08) ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:47 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/books/review/Longenbach-t.html? > _r=1&8bu&emc=bu&oref=slogin > Formalities > By JAMES LONGENBACH > Published: March 9, 2008 > > Mary Jo Salter came of age as a poet in the 1970s when two tribes, > the Language poets and the New Formalists, were sparring. The > Language poets (named after a magazine called Language) represented > a new surge of experimental writing, while the New Formalists (with > whom Salter was associated) wanted to resist the influence of > modernism, re-energizing poetry?s relationship not only to > traditional form but to narrative. Like Salter, many of the New > Formalists modeled their work on a strategically narrowed version > of Elizabeth Bishop, a poet who wrote both free and formal verse > with homespun virtuosity. But while Bishop continues to be read, > the polemics associated with both the New Formalism and Language > poetry feel dated, part of the niggling history of taste rather > than the grand history of art. > > > > It's Tax Time! 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Jeff Newberry wrote: > In case anyone's interested, Sara Tracy has posted an interview with > me over at the Barn Owl Review blog: > http://barnowlreview.blogspot.com/2008/03/contributor-interview-1-jeff-newberry.html. > > Jeff Newberry > > -- > > http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Mar 10 07:37:05 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:37:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Longenbach on Salter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D51D61.4010206@nut-n-but.net> > But while Bishop continues to be read, the polemics associated with > both the New Formalism and Language poetry feel dated, part of the > niggling history of taste rather than the grand history of art. Why, sure--like the polemics associated with the pre-impressionists and the abstract-expressionists. Longenbach, typical of the poetry establishment, doesn't realize that the breaking off of language poetry and visual poetry from the poetry preceding them was at least as important in the history of poetry as the breaking off of free verse from formal verse decades previously. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jorgensen_a at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 06:40:18 2008 From: jorgensen_a at yahoo.com (Jorgensen) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural issue - Black Robert Journal Message-ID: <366740.75252.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Inaugural issue has been completed. Work by David-Baptiste Chirot, Bonnie MacAllister, Deborah Poe, Andy Nicholson, Ed Schenk, Cralan Kelder, Manas Bhattacharya, Pradip Datta, Alexander Jorgensen, Brent Calderwood, Pat Clifford, Kathup Tsering, Tim Martin, Subhashis Gangopadhyay, Peter Grieco, and Elena Stefoi. http://www.black-robert-journal.com Alexander Jorgensen Managing Editor -- Tennessee Williams: "A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jorgensen_a at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 06:45:37 2008 From: jorgensen_a at yahoo.com (Jorgensen) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Inaugural issue - Black Robert Journal Message-ID: <125514.75119.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Black Robert Journal Inaugural issue has been completed. Work by David-Baptiste Chirot, Bonnie MacAllister, Deborah Poe, Andy Nicholson, Ed Schenk, Cralan Kelder, Manas Bhattacharya, Pradip Datta, Alexander Jorgensen, Brent Calderwood, Pat Clifford, Kathup Tsering, Tim Martin, Subhashis Gangopadhyay, Peter Grieco, and Elena Stefoi. Regards, Alexander Jorgensen Managing Editor -- Tennessee Williams: "A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexdickow9 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 09:46:47 2008 From: alexdickow9 at yahoo.com (Alexander Dickow) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] bob grumman: jump-cut poetry In-Reply-To: <200803091700.m29H05cO021699@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <509263.34888.qm@web35506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Bob, Where did you find the term "jump-cut poetry" to describe Eliot and Pound et al.? Did you invent it? If so, when/where? Can I use it if I quote you? Also, my two cents in re: lyrics. Jeff Mangum of Neutral Milk Hotel writes wonderful stand-alone lyrics -- not to mention the amazing songs. At 20-odd songs, it's a small corpus, but essential, to my mind. Amicalement, Alex www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Mar 10 11:29:02 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:29:02 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] bob grumman: jump-cut poetry In-Reply-To: <509263.34888.qm@web35506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <509263.34888.qm@web35506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D553BE.9060704@nut-n-but.net> Alexander Dickow wrote: > Hey Bob, > Where did you find the term "jump-cut poetry" to > describe Eliot and Pound et al.? Did you invent it? If > so, when/where? Can I use it if I quote you? > Also, my two cents in re: lyrics. Jeff Mangum of > Neutral Milk Hotel writes wonderful stand-alone lyrics > -- not to mention the amazing songs. At 20-odd songs, > it's a small corpus, but essential, to my mind. > Amicalement, > Alex > > www.alexdickow.net/blog/ Thanks for the tip about Jeff Mangum, Alex. I'll check out his stuff one of these days. As for "jump-cut poetry," it's been a standard term in my poetics taxonomy for a decade or more. "Jump-cut" has been around longer than that but I may have been the first critic to use it to designate a single large kind of poetry. It's paired with surrealistic poetry in my system under what I call "idiological poetry"--because it and surrealistic poetry mainly play games with conventional logic, in my opinion. Feel free to use the term--I never got around to trademarking it. all best, Bob From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Mar 10 10:54:24 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:54:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Still publishing, after all these years... Message-ID: William Stafford: http://www.amazon.com/Another-World-Instead-Stafford-1937-1947/dp/ 155597497X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205160795&sr=1-1 ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Mar 10 11:03:59 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:03:59 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Still publishing, after all these years... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, shoot, he's probably still writing even: eleven or twelve poems every morning, done between 4 am and 11 am, after which he takes the rest of the day off. Hal "Once upon a time Baltimore was necessary." --Gertrude Stein Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 10, 2008, at 8:54 AM, David Graham wrote: > William Stafford: > > http://www.amazon.com/Another-World-Instead-Stafford-1937-1947/dp/155597497X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205160795&sr=1-1 > > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2EC8D132-3841-4F70-B80C-DFD7D8E797BE@ripon.edu> Yup, he's neck & neck with Bukowski in the Dead Prolific Poets race. . . . ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 10, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Oh, shoot, he's probably still writing even: eleven or twelve > poems every morning, done between 4 am and 11 am, after > which he takes the rest of the day off. > > Hal > > "Once upon a time Baltimore was necessary." > --Gertrude Stein > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > On Mar 10, 2008, at 8:54 AM, David Graham wrote: > >> William Stafford: >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Another-World-Instead-Stafford-1937-1947/dp/ >> 155597497X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205160795&sr=1-1 >> >> >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> >> Home Page: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz >> >> Poetry Library: >> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He also asked to forward his comment to New Poetry, you can find it here: http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/2008/03/scott-simon-and-npr-hate-poetry.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 10 16:36:47 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:36:47 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] another TOOT TOOT ! Message-ID: My heartfelt thanks to Jeff Harrison who reviewed my Opening and Closing Numbers: http://galatearesurrection9.blogspot.com/2008/03/opening-and-closing-numbers-by-anny.html *** On the same issue of Galatea Resurrects you can also find my review of Allen Bramhall's Days Poem: http://galatearesurrection9.blogspot.com/2008/03/days-poem-vols-i-and-ii-by-allen.html *** and here is the entire list of very interesting reviews for you to go through: GALATEA RESURRECTS ANNOUNCEMENT We're please to announce the new issue of Galatea Resurrects (A Poetry Engagement). The issue can be accessed at http://galatearesurrection9.blogspot.com For your convenience, here's the issue's Table of Contents: March 31, 2008 EDITOR'S INTRODUCTION By Eileen Tabios NEW REVIEWS Brian Clements engages nine books by John Yau: PARADISO DIASPORA; THE PASSIONATE SPECTATOR: ESSAYS ON ART AND POETRY; ING GRISH (with illustrations by Thomas Nozkowski); BORROWED LOVE POEMS; THE UNITED STATES OF JASPER JOHNS; RADIANT SILHOUETTE; CORPSE AND MIRROR; SOMETIMES; and 100 MORE JOKES FROM THE BOOK OF THE DEAD (with etchings by Archie Rand) David Goldstein reviews TWENTY-ONE AFTER DAYS by Lisa Lubasch Patrick James Dunagan reviews CADENZA by Charles North and DOING 70 by Hettie Jones S?amas Cain reviews SKINNY BUDDHA by Sheila E. Murphy Raymond John A. de Borja reviews NOISE PICTORIAL NOISE by Eli Noah Gordon Shanna Compton reviews DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION by Cathy Park Hong Eileen Tabios engages MAUVE SEA-ORCHIDS by Lila Zemborain, Trans. by Rosa Alcala and Monica de la Torre John Bloomberg-Rissman reviews RAPID DEPARTURES by Vincent Katz Eileen Tabios engages IMAGINING A BABY by Bob Marcacci John Bloomberg-Rissman reviews PRAU by Jean Vengua Thomas Fink reviews WHEN A WOMAN LOVES A MAN by David Lehman Kristi Castro reviews SOMETHING BRIGHT, THEN HOLES by Maggie Nelson and [GROWLING SOFTLY] Edited by Juliet Cook and "drilled" by David Foster Nicholas Manning reviews TEXT LOSES TIME by Nico Vassilakis Stephen Vincent reviews WHAT'S IN STORE by Trevor Joyce Eileen Tabios engages ZAMBOANGUENA by Corrine Fitzpatrick Burt Kimmelman engages eight publications by Basil King: 77 BEASTS; BASIL KING'S BESTIARY; LEARNING TO DRAW / A HISTORY: TWIN TOWERS; MIRAGE: A POEM IN 22 SECTIONS; WARP SPASM; THE POET; IDENTITY; THE COMPLETE MINIATURES; and DEVOTIONS, WITH SELECTIONS FROM A PAINTERS BESTIARY AND 14 DRAWINGS FROM INTENTIONS Tom Beckett reviews HARLOT by Jill Alexander Essbaum Patrick James Dunagan reviews HOME AMONG THE SWINGING STARS: COLLECTED POEMS OF JAIME DE ANGULO, Edited by Stefan Hyner with an essay by Andrew Schelling Juliet Cook engages FEIGN by Kristy Bowen Anny Ballardini reviews DAYS POEM, VOLS. I and II by Allen Bramhall Patrick James Dunagan reviews THE FINAL NITE & OTHER POEMS: COMPLETE NOTES FROM A CHARLES GAYLE NOTEBOOK 1987-2006 by Steve Dalachinsky Karen Rigby reviews THE BEDSIDE GUIDE TO NO TELL MOTEL: SECOND FLOOR, Edited by Reb Livingston and Molly Arden Nathan Logan reviews THE BEDSIDE GUIDE TO NO TELL MOTEL, Edited by Reb Livingston and Molly Arden Eileen Tabios engages MY NAME IS ESTHER CLARA by Laurel Johnson; a FOURSQUARE SPECIAL EDITION OF FIVE POEMS by Maureen Thorson; and HERE, LOVE by Jess Rowan Jeffrey Side reviews BEAMS by Adam Fieled Jon Cone reviews LITTLE BOAT by Jean Valentine John Bloomberg-Rissman reviews OVERNIGHT by Paul Violi Jeff Harrison reviews OPENING AND CLOSING NUMBERS by Anny Ballardini Eileen Tabios engages AN ARCHITECTURE by Chad Sweeney Jessica Bozek engages DUMMY FIRE by Sarah Vap Ryan Daley reviews THE FRANK POEMS by CAConrad Eileen Tabios engages CLEAVING by Dion Farquhar Abigail Licad reviews THE ANCHORED ANGEL, SELECTED WRITINGS BY JOSE GARCIA, Edited by Eileen Tabios Christopher Mulrooney reviews SELECTED POEMS OF GABRIELA MISTRAL, Trans. by Ursula K. Le Guin Christopher Mulrooney reviews THE BEGINNING AND END OF THE SNOW by Yves Bonnefoy, Trans. by Alan Baker Lisa Bower reviews TERRAIN TRACKS by Purvi Shah Laurel Johnson reviews THERE ARE WORDS by Burt Kimmelman Ivy Alvarez reviews A F I E L D by Anthony Hawley Nathan Logan reviews WORDS IN YOUR FACE: A GUIDED TOUR THROUGH 20 YEARS OF THE NEW YORK POETRY SLAM by Cristin O'Keefe Aptowicz Eileen Tabios engages 2 POEMS FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL by Logan Ryan Smith Kristin Berkey-Abbott reviews BLUE COLONIAL by David Roderick Eileen Tabios engages LIST'N by Karri Kokko Laurel Johnson reviews INDIAN TRAINS by Erika T. Wurth Eileen Tabios engages THE HEART THAT LIES OUTSIDE THE BODY by Stephanie Lenox Patrick James Dunagan reviews DON'T SAY A WORD by F.A. Nettelbeck Eileen Tabios engages BEHIND THE WHEEL: POEMS ABOUT DRIVING by Janet S. 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He also asked to forward his comment to New Poetry, you can find it here: http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/2008/03/scott-simon-and-npr-hate-poetry.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Mar 10 17:49:05 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:49:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] jump-cut poetry In-Reply-To: <46800.6135.qm@web35503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <46800.6135.qm@web35503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D5ACD1.8060000@nut-n-but.net> Alexander Dickow wrote: > Bob, > Thanks! Looks like I'll be finding me a copy of those > essays of yours :) > Amicalement, > Alex Thankee for the interest, Alex. Some are at my website, Comprepoetica: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/1492 Feedback welcome. Warning: some are out-of-date, though not drastically so. --Bob From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Mar 11 12:55:50 2008 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:55:50 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Alfred Corn's blog Message-ID: The newest addition to my list of blogs at my Poetry Library (http:// web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html) is Alfred Corn's. I highly recommend it; he's been turning out some long & complex reflections on poetry. Here's a snip from his discussion of Helen Vendler's critical taste, and tastemaking powers, from yesterday's entry: "She is only interested in lyric poetry, preferably lyrics of Stevensian difficulty. Any whiff of political content disqualifies a poem for her, including feminist content. She dislikes narrative poetry, dramatic monologues, comic poems. She saves her highest praise for grave, philosophical rumination, especially when abstruse. This might not matter; we?re all entitled to the taste that we can support with cogent, text-based argument. Unfortunately, what it has meant is that the poets she doesn?t like only in rare cases move into the glowing center of public recognition. This allegation has been made before now, and it is always denied. Professor Vendler says that she does not make reputations, that only poets can establish the reputation of other poets. But the evidence suggests a different view. Professor Vendler has earned the right to her opinion where contemporary poetry is concerned. It should not, however, be the only opinion that counts. American poetry is too large and varied to be contained within the Vendlerian aesthetic. http://alfredcornsweblog.blogspot.com/ ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Mar 11 10:14:43 2008 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:14:43 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Toot Message-ID: You are invited to check out the online journal qarrtsiluni, where my poem "'The Dead Alive & Busy'" is freshly published. Also an audio file of me reading it. It's their "Nature in the Cracks" issue, edited by Brent Goodman & Ken Lamberton. More to come in the next month. http://qarrtsiluni.com/2008/03/10/the-dead-alive-and-busy/ ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Mar 11 14:02:07 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:02:07 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Exquisite Corpse Message-ID: <9A557151FE4B49069E7F43568AB5154B@AnnyPC> Begin forwarded message: Dear readers: Did you miss us? We missed you. It's only been a brief eon but the idiots have taken over the world, and the internet is seducing us all into trading in our brains for beads. Welcome back to the Post-Katrina Resurrection Corpse, back from a dank hiatus of one year in a formaledehyde-poisoned FEMA trailer. We festered, we raged, we contemplated suicide, and in the end, voted for life because we are a Corpse already and we hate to keep on dying, just like the ideals of the Republic. Our guest-editor for this issue is the formidable poet, publisher, New Orleanian, and homme-du-monde-et-de-lettres, Bill Lavender. Bill has ploughed through the accumulated debris in our trailer, turning over towers of submissions and lovingly removing mold and giving new lustre to tarnished but potent weapons of poesy, crit, and story-time. We will continue to exalt, irritate, surprise, be loving, merciless, and obscene, just like you. Our Bulgarian genius, Plamen Arnaudov, has updated our technology so that the Corpse may flow continually, with updates posted as quickly as the zeitgeist requires. We also welcome Vincent Cellucci, poet and chef to Our Gang, so that we might eat well while we tryst and plunder. Reader, please come back, visit, and, most importantly, re- register to join our raiding parties, and ride with the Resurrected Corpse. You don't need to bring your own horse to the raiding parties because we are planning (secretly) to offer ship cruises to our subscribers. (It costs nothing to subscribe). And let your list know that the Corpse is back: http://www.corpse.org ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our guest-editor for this issue is the > formidable poet, publisher, New Orleanian, and homme-du-monde-et-de-lettres, > Bill Lavender. Bill has ploughed through the accumulated debris in our > trailer, turning over towers of submissions and lovingly removing mold and > giving new lustre to tarnished but potent weapons of poesy, crit, and > story-time. We will continue to exalt, irritate, surprise, be loving, > merciless, and obscene, just like you. Our Bulgarian genius, Plamen > Arnaudov, has updated our technology so that the Corpse may flow > continually, with updates posted as quickly as the zeitgeist requires. We > also welcome Vincent Cellucci, poet and chef to Our Gang, so that we might > eat well while we tryst and plunder. Reader, please come back, visit, and, > most importantly, re- register to join our raiding parties, and ride with > the Resurrected Corpse. You don't need to bring your own horse to the > raiding parties because we are planning (secretly) to offer ship cruises to > our subscribers. (It costs nothing to subscribe). And let your list know > that the Corpse is back: http://www.corpse.org > > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > ------------------------------ > > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We festered, we raged, we contemplated suicide, and in the end, voted for life because we are a Corpse already and we hate to keep on dying, just like the ideals of the Republic. Our guest-editor for this issue is the formidable poet, publisher, New Orleanian, and homme-du-monde-et-de-lettres, Bill Lavender. Bill has ploughed through the accumulated debris in our trailer, turning over towers of submissions and lovingly removing mold and giving new lustre to tarnished but potent weapons of poesy, crit, and story-time. We will continue to exalt, irritate, surprise, be loving, merciless, and obscene, just like you. Our Bulgarian genius, Plamen Arnaudov, has updated our technology so that the Corpse may flow continually, with updates posted as quickly as the zeitgeist requires. We also welcome Vincent Cellucci, poet and chef to Our Gang, so that we might eat well while we tryst and plunder. Reader, please come back, visit, and, most importantly, re- register to join our raiding parties, and ride with the Resurrected Corpse. You don't need to bring your own horse to the raiding parties because we are planning (secretly) to offer ship cruises to our subscribers. (It costs nothing to subscribe). And let your list know that the Corpse is back: http://www.corpse.org ------ End of Forwarded Message -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We missed you. It's only been a brief eon but the > > idiots have taken over the world, and the internet is seducing us all into > > trading in our brains for beads. Welcome back to the Post-Katrina > > Resurrection Corpse, back from a dank hiatus of one year in a > > formaledehyde-poisoned FEMA trailer. We festered, we raged, we contemplated > > suicide, and in the end, voted for life because we are a Corpse already and > > we hate to keep on dying, just like the ideals of the Republic. Our > > guest-editor for this issue is the formidable poet, publisher, New > > Orleanian, and homme-du-monde-et-de-lettres, Bill Lavender. Bill has > > ploughed through the accumulated debris in our trailer, turning over towers > > of submissions and lovingly removing mold and giving new lustre to tarnished > > but potent weapons of poesy, crit, and story-time. We will continue to > > exalt, irritate, surprise, be loving, merciless, and obscene, just like you. > > Our Bulgarian genius, Plamen Arnaudov, has updated our technology so that > > the Corpse may flow continually, with updates posted as quickly as the > > zeitgeist requires. We also welcome Vincent Cellucci, poet and chef to Our > > Gang, so that we might eat well while we tryst and plunder. Reader, please > > come back, visit, and, most importantly, re- register to join our raiding > > parties, and ride with the Resurrected Corpse. You don't need to bring your > > own horse to the raiding parties because we are planning (secretly) to offer > > ship cruises to our subscribers. (It costs nothing to subscribe). 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I am answering through the list since other people might be interested as well, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: "e?ratio" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] get well, ge(of) huth > > > dear ge(of) huth, > > who so many of us love and admire greatly, > and who's name is a conceptual poem in itself, > here's wishing you a speedy recovery. > > godspeed. godspeed. godspeed. > > ge(of) huth! ge(of) huth! ge(of) huth! > > > love, > > gregory (speaking for a lot of us!) > > > e? > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Mar 12 15:44:34 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:44:34 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] get well, ge(of) huth In-Reply-To: References: <62784.72.227.129.202.1205348705.squirrel@webmail.web.com> Message-ID: <60A817223E134733B101D9A7C764FB92@AnnyPC> Ah, I know now: http://www.dbqp.blogspot.com/ he is recovering _already back home. So very sorry, and yes, godspeed. godspeed. godspeed. From: "Anny Ballardini" Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:32 PM > Hi Vincent, > > what is wrong with Geof Huth? > I am answering through the list since other people might be interested as > well, > > Anny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "e?ratio" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:05 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] get well, ge(of) huth > > >> >> >> dear ge(of) huth, >> >> who so many of us love and admire greatly, >> and who's name is a conceptual poem in itself, >> here's wishing you a speedy recovery. >> >> godspeed. godspeed. godspeed. >> >> ge(of) huth! ge(of) huth! ge(of) huth! >> >> >> love, >> >> gregory (speaking for a lot of us!) >> >> >> e? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Wed Mar 12 17:16:16 2008 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] get well, ge(of) huth . . . reply to anny Message-ID: <63062.72.227.129.202.1205356576.squirrel@webmail.web.com> thank you, anny, for posting geof's wed address, in my haste to post my message i forgot to. thank you, anny. thank you, anny. geof huth! geof huth! geof huth! e? From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Mar 12 18:00:21 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:00:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] get well, ge(of) huth In-Reply-To: <60A817223E134733B101D9A7C764FB92@AnnyPC> References: <62784.72.227.129.202.1205348705.squirrel@webmail.web.com> <60A817223E134733B101D9A7C764FB92@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <47D85275.1020907@opus40.org> Went to Geof's blog, too. Sounds like he's recovering -- good for him. Good for poetry. I didn't realize he lived so close to me. Anny Ballardini wrote: > Ah, I know now: > http://www.dbqp.blogspot.com/ > > he is recovering _already back home. > So very sorry, and yes, > godspeed. godspeed. godspeed. > > > From: "Anny Ballardini" > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:32 PM > > >> Hi Vincent, >> >> what is wrong with Geof Huth? >> I am answering through the list since other people might be >> interested as well, >> >> Anny >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "e?ratio" >> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:05 PM >> Subject: [New-Poetry] get well, ge(of) huth >> >> >>> >>> >>> dear ge(of) huth, >>> >>> who so many of us love and admire greatly, >>> and who's name is a conceptual poem in itself, >>> here's wishing you a speedy recovery. >>> >>> godspeed. godspeed. godspeed. >>> >>> ge(of) huth! ge(of) huth! ge(of) huth! >>> >>> >>> love, >>> >>> gregory (speaking for a lot of us!) >>> >>> >>> e? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Mar 12 20:16:37 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:16:37 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Geof Huth In-Reply-To: References: <62784.72.227.129.202.1205348705.squirrel@webmail.web.com> Message-ID: <47D87265.3030709@nut-n-but.net> Anny, Geof had bypass surgery a few days ago and, last I heard, was doing fine. His blog has details. --Bob From jforjames at aol.com Thu Mar 13 19:45:37 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:45:37 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] metaphor taking shape Message-ID: <8CA537B792A6E25-C20-1FA8@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Metaphor Taking Shape: Poetry, Art, and the Book at the Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library The Publisher's Roundtable: Book Artists in Dialogue at the Arts of the Book Collection... http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/metaphor/index.html Publisher's roundtable http://publishersroundtable.wordpress.com/ Here's a podcast tour of the exhiblt.. http://beineckepoetry.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/exhibtion-podcast-metaphor-taking-shape/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Last week, Archer Books of San Francisco agreed to publish the biker poets anthology Rubber Side Down. There is a saying among bikers as they ready to ride, ?Keep the rubber side down, shiny side up!? In other words, don?t tip over, fool. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Mar 14 13:09:39 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:09:39 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Carruth show on Poetica Message-ID: <8CA540D529DFE42-6DC-423B@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> http://www.abc.net.au/rn/poetica/stories/2008/2165527.htm Hayden Carruth was born in Waterbury, Connecticut, in 1921 and lived for many years in northern Vermont. His first book of poems, The Crow in the Heart, was published in the late 1950s. Since then he's published nearly thirty books, mainly of poetry in a variety of styles, but also one novel, and several books of essays and criticism. He's written trenchantly on subjects such as suicide and his great love, jazz music. In this program, American poet and editor Brian Henry discusses Carruth's writing and William Smith reads a selection of the poems. Sound engineer: Stuart Hall Producer: Mike Ladd Scrambled Eggs and Whiskey is published by Copper Canyon Press. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Mar 14 13:44:47 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:44:47 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parnassus 30th Message-ID: <8CA54123B1C90DB-90C-3C8@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> http://www.parnassuspoetry.com/index.htm 30TH ANNIVERSARY ISSUE Parnassus: Poetry in Review will mark its 30th Anniversary in March 2008 with a 700-page Issue. We will feature the following essays: Eric Ormsby on La Fontaine Mark Polizzotti on Surrealism Eric Murphy Selinger on Latino and Latina Poetry Cathy Park Hong on Asian-American Poetry Mark Scroggins on Ronald Johnson Daniel Albright on Shakespeare's Songs Gordon Rogoff on Verdi's "Falstaff" Joy Ladin on Yona Wallach Wes Davis on Karl Kirchwey Tom Sleigh Moosehunting with Robert Duncan Shusha Guppy on the Persian epic poem the Shahmaneh William Logan on Robert Frost Roger Gilbert on First and Second Books Leonard Barkan on Ekphrastic Poems Paul West The Shadow Factory (Memoir) Matthew Gurewitsch on Das Nibelungenlied, Wagner's Theatre, and The Ring Cycle Adam L. Dressler on The Homeric Hymns Willard Spiegelman on Robert Fagles's translation of The Aenied Stuart Klawans on Argentine Film Director Fabian Bielinsky Richard Wilbur's translation of Act I of Pierre Corneille's "The Liar" (Le Menteur) Jeremy Axelrod's The Kings Are Boring: Courtney Queeney Mark Halliday on Kenneth Koch Composers David Del Tredici, Eleonor Sandresky and Sebastian Currier set poems by Antler, Rimbaud, and T.S. Eliot to music In addition, we will publish poems by Seamus Heaney, Richard Howard, David Woo, Carl Phillips, J.D. McClatchy, Kay Ryan, Gerda Stevenson, Joshua Mehigan, Kei Miller, Melissa Monroe, Avot Yeshurun, Paul Verlaine, John Foy, Guy Goffette, Claire Rossini, Hamutal Bar-Yosef, Rodney Jones, Ann Lauinger, David Yezzi, Michael Schmidt, Cody Walker, and many more. 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We will feature the following essays: > > Eric Ormsby on La Fontaine > Mark Polizzotti on Surrealism > Eric Murphy Selinger on Latino and Latina Poetry > Cathy Park Hong on Asian-American Poetry > Mark Scroggins on Ronald Johnson > Daniel Albright on Shakespeare's Songs > Gordon Rogoff on Verdi's "Falstaff" > Joy Ladin on Yona Wallach > Wes Davis on Karl Kirchwey > Tom Sleigh Moosehunting with Robert Duncan > Shusha Guppy on the Persian epic poem the Shahmaneh > William Logan on Robert Frost > Roger Gilbert on First and Second Books > Leonard Barkan on Ekphrastic Poems > Paul West The Shadow Factory (Memoir) > Matthew Gurewitsch on Das Nibelungenlied, Wagner's Theatre, and The > Ring Cycle > Adam L. Dressler on The Homeric Hymns > Willard Spiegelman on Robert Fagles's translation of The Aenied > Stuart Klawans on Argentine Film Director Fabian Bielinsky > Richard Wilbur's translation of Act I of Pierre Corneille's "The Liar" > (Le Menteur) > Jeremy Axelrod's The Kings Are Boring: Courtney Queeney > Mark Halliday on Kenneth Koch > Composers David Del Tredici, Eleonor Sandresky and Sebastian Currier > set poems by Antler, Rimbaud, and T.S. Eliot to music > > In addition, we will publish poems by Seamus Heaney, Richard Howard, > David Woo, Carl Phillips, J.D. McClatchy, Kay Ryan, Gerda Stevenson, > Joshua Mehigan, Kei Miller, Melissa Monroe, Avot Yeshurun, Paul > Verlaine, John Foy, Guy Goffette, Claire Rossini, Hamutal Bar-Yosef, > Rodney Jones, Ann Lauinger, David Yezzi, Michael Schmidt, Cody Walker, > and many more. And, as always a portfolio of wonderful art from around > the world, including work from William Meyer, Edward Hopper, > Jacqueline Morreau, Benjamin Lenzner, Anna Palakunnathu Matthew, Jacob > Collins, Zvi Lachman and Nina Yankowitz > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar > > for your browser. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From jforjames at aol.com Fri Mar 14 13:53:47 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:53:47 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parnassus 30th In-Reply-To: <47DABA6E.2000003@opus40.org> References: <8CA54123B1C90DB-90C-3C8@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> <47DABA6E.2000003@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CA54137CB2C05A-90C-453@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> I'm sure Logan will?be nicer to Frost than he is to his contemporaries. I had thought this magazine was going to fold. I thought Leibowitz was retiring and hanging it up. But I guess not. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 1:48 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Parnassus 30th They're celebrating their 30th Anniversary with William Logan?? ? jforjames at aol.com wrote:? > http://www.parnassuspoetry.com/index.htm? > 30TH ANNIVERSARY ISSUE? > Parnassus: Poetry in Review will mark its 30th Anniversary in March > 2008 with a 700-page Issue. We will feature the following essays:? >? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Fri Mar 14 14:40:35 2008 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:40:35 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Parnassus 30th Message-ID: Well, Frost won't call Logan up and tell him he's going to kick his ass next chance he gets, as some of Logan's contemporaries have done. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Mar 14 15:03:49 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:03:49 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Carruth show on Poetica In-Reply-To: <8CA540D529DFE42-6DC-423B@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA540D529DFE42-6DC-423B@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7EB3A704334047E8A2976624072D3FB5@AnnyPC> An excellent recording with a good selection of poems. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Carruth show on Poetica http://www.abc.net.au/rn/poetica/stories/2008/2165527.htm Hayden Carruth was born in Waterbury, Connecticut, in 1921 and lived for many years in northern Vermont. His first book of poems, The Crow in the Heart, was published in the late 1950s. Since then he's published nearly thirty books, mainly of poetry in a variety of styles, but also one novel, and several books of essays and criticism. He's written trenchantly on subjects such as suicide and his great love, jazz music. In this program, American poet and editor Brian Henry discusses Carruth's writing and William Smith reads a selection of the poems. Sound engineer: Stuart Hall Producer: Mike Ladd Scrambled Eggs and Whiskey is published by Copper Canyon Press. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From chris.lott at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 17:25:24 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:25:24 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parnassus 30th In-Reply-To: <8CA54137CB2C05A-90C-453@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA54123B1C90DB-90C-3C8@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> <47DABA6E.2000003@opus40.org> <8CA54137CB2C05A-90C-453@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0803141425q3e6dd46eg54ca4a584f0986d6@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:53 AM, wrote: > > I had thought this magazine was going to fold. I thought > Leibowitz was retiring and hanging it up. But I guess not. > Finnegan > Why do I have a feeling I know what Bob G's response is going to be before I get that far down the thread? Anyway, my point in posting was to express my similar surprise that _Parnassus_ was still around. I remember it being eulogized. Today I found this snippet in their online "editor's note": "Parnassus was recently rescued from the hangman's noose by a philanthropic stranger, in a series of improbable events that would make Shakespeare's _Pericles and Cymbeline_ seem plotted by James T. Farrell. Startled and moved by the outpouring of affection, dismay, respect, and sorrow that our imminent closing aroused, I started a file of condolence letters...Then I added a file of resurrection letters." Curious. c From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Mar 14 19:23:06 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:23:06 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parnassus 30th In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0803141425q3e6dd46eg54ca4a584f0986d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CA54123B1C90DB-90C-3C8@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com><47DABA6E.2000003@opus40.org><8CA54137CB2C05A-90C-453@webmail-dd 05.sysops.aol.com> <9b1b9dab0803141425q3e6dd46eg54ca4a584f0986d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DB08DA.7060706@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:53 AM, wrote: > >> I had thought this magazine was going to fold. I thought >> Leibowitz was retiring and hanging it up. But I guess not. >> Finnegan >> >> > > Why do I have a feeling I know what Bob G's response is going to be > before I get that far down the thread? > Because I am the epitome of critical consistency? > Anyway, my point in posting was to express my similar surprise that > _Parnassus_ was still around. I remember it being eulogized. Today I > found this snippet in their online "editor's note": > > "Parnassus was recently rescued from the hangman's noose by a > philanthropic stranger, in a series of improbable events that would > make Shakespeare's _Pericles and Cymbeline_ seem plotted by James T. > Farrell. Startled and moved by the outpouring of affection, dismay, > respect, and sorrow that our imminent closing aroused, I started a > file of condolence letters...Then I added a file of resurrection > letters." > > Curious. > > c But not curious that philanthropists never give money to you know what kind of poetry magazines or presses or poets. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 19:44:59 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:44:59 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parnassus 30th In-Reply-To: <47DB08DA.7060706@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CA54123B1C90DB-90C-3C8@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> <47DABA6E.2000003@opus40.org> <9b1b9dab0803141425q3e6dd46eg54ca4a584f0986d6@mail.gmail.com> <47DB08DA.7060706@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0803141644p56d58c59re8db69b8e0cb8cc0@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Because I am the epitome of critical consistency? You are remarkably consistent even at times when your criticism is mostly a remark of your distaste and disdain... I find it kind of endearing, now that I'm used to it. Not particularly productive, but it's a kind of ritualized action on this list... > But not curious that philanthropists never give money to you know what kind > of poetry magazines or presses or poets. I was just curious who it might be that rescued Parnassus, not what kind of person they might be. However, if philanthropists did give money to support you know what kind of poetry, then the you know whos would have to turn their you know whats up at it anyway, right? It seems so mainstream to take heed of the attention-- fiscally or otherwise-- of *those* kind of people... it would be tantamount to publishing in *those* kind of publications wouldn't it? Without the barbarians, the rope of opposition would suddenly go slack... who knows what might happen? Broken post-avant backs, ankles sprained on the cutting edge, the malodorous explosion of experimentalist concoctions, the high wire artists of insularity doing face-plants in the mainstream mud... c From AlMaginnes at aol.com Fri Mar 14 20:10:19 2008 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:10:19 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Parnassus 30th Message-ID: I'm still trying to figure out Pericles and Cymbeline plotted by James T. Farrell. I either need to read P and C or Studs Lonigan again. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Mar 14 22:45:47 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:45:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parnassus 30th In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0803141644p56d58c59re8db69b8e0cb8cc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CA54123B1C90DB-90C-3C8@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com><47DABA6E.2000003@opus40.org><9b1b9dab0803141425q3e6dd46eg54ca4a 584f0986d6@mail.gmail.com><47DB08DA.7060706@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0803141644p56d58c59re8db69b8e0cb8cc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DB385B.20206@nut-n-but.net> Chris, I've often thought about what I would do if some mainstream grant-bestowing agency wanted to give me money. I can definitely see rejecting it as a protest against their previous record, and to boost the morale of the many talented or more than talented poets who have been overlooked by such agencies. On the other hand, I could use the money, being not much more than a step from having to go, or try to go, on welfare, with things getting worse. So I'd have a big problem. If some private individual not known for patronizing the certified wanted to patronize me, no problem. I would never turn down a chance to speak at some important poetry function, though. Also, if I did get offered a huge grant from some mainstream grant-bestowing organization I couldn't reject, I would absolutely from then on turn down the other awards that would surely follow, since grants automatically follow grants, none of the grant-bestowers knowing how to recognize worthy recipients in any other way than by whether they've won grants or the equivalent from others (when the grants are awarded for aesthetic rather than socio-political reasons, if that still happens). > Without the barbarians, the rope of opposition would suddenly go > slack... who knows what might happen? Broken post-avant backs, ankles > sprained on the cutting edge, the malodorous explosion of > experimentalist concoctions, the high wire artists of insularity doing face-plants in the mainstream mud... > > c It's my crowd who are the barbarians, Chris. But none of that has anything to do with me, as you seem to know sometimes, Chris. As I also say all the time, I'm not opposed to the mainstream, just to its not sharing a little space and money with poetry's research and development department. I see what I do in poetry as an extension of the mainstream, not as an attempt to replace it. Though I have to admit that, temperamentally, I find it hard to understand why so many poets remain content with copying the mainstream names instead of trying to do something not-yet certified, for a change--some of the time. --Bob G. From chris.lott at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 23:23:23 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:23:23 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parnassus 30th In-Reply-To: <47DB385B.20206@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CA54123B1C90DB-90C-3C8@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> <47DABA6E.2000003@opus40.org> <47DB08DA.7060706@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0803141644p56d58c59re8db69b8e0cb8cc0@mail.gmail.com> <47DB385B.20206@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0803142023q5d091c59hf9ce33317cf73400@mail.gmail.com> Bob, maybe it's immaterial who the barbarians are, but who is doing the pulling. At any rate, I wish you would get a chance to make a decision about a big grant, award or a big publication by a mainstream press. Bob, I don't agree with you on a lot of things (what you see as copying implies that the original resource has been exhausted... perhaps my primary, irresolvable difference), but I honestly adore you and your consistent challenge to all kinds of complacencies, our disagreement about which are real and which are imagined notwithstanding. c From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 15 11:53:55 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:53:55 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] re.: Jeff Newberry's modernism/postmodernism In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0803061544p21949842r18d2ab5210f4769b@mail.gmail.com> References: <676388.2494.qm@web45606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><001e01c87f81$6f10a650$0201a8c0@LindaSue><731bb17a0803061110l22e3a9d2uac72c8e3ea3484b7@mail.gmail.com><8CA4DF6A7B27739-12A0-35CC@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0803061544p21949842r18d2ab5210f4769b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <048551120B1F4959891F0B0F0F76D6CE@AnnyPC> I finally went through Klages' writing, it seems to me that she is able to draw some interesting points, even if - as James points out - there are still plenty of contradictions. Especially in the broad outline she gives at the end of her essay. But at least she is able to try to distinguish modernism from postmodernism and some of her quotations, especially from Lyotard are quite to the point. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Newberry To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] modernism/postmodernism Good point, Jim. Postmodern prose writers, however, have used genre fiction in various interestingly serious ways. Jonathan Lethem's Gun with Occasional Music comes to mind. Other examples in prose? Jeff On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:12 PM, wrote: From that academic link Jeff posted, this is one of the primary tenets of postmodernism: 7. A rejection of the distinction between "high" and "low" or popular culture, both in choice of materials used to produce art and in methods of displaying, distributing, and consuming art. And yet, in 99% cases, the postmodern artist is using pop-culture, folk art, etc., in a comic or wry way. Not taking it seriously. Using it as a foil. Playing with a low genre for higher purposes. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Newberry jeff.newberry at gmail.com Here's a web source I've used in the American literature survey I'm teaching this term: http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. 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(Fans of Lucinda Williams should know that Stanford was the subject of her song "Pineola). _http://poetryfoundation.org/journal/feature.html?id=181083_ (http://poetryfoundation.org/journal/feature.html?id=181083) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sat Mar 15 12:34:04 2008 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:34:04 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Frank Stanford Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2008 11:23:33 AM Central Daylight Time, AlMaginnes at aol.com writes: > > > > > Here is a link to an essay about a nearly forgotten American poet who > deserves a much wider audience than he ever managed in life. (Fans of Lucinda > Williams should know that Stanford was the subject of her song "Pineola). > > http://poetryfoundation.org/journal/feature.html?id=181083 > Adam Walton has recently updated the Wikipedia article on Frank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Stanford -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 15 15:07:58 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:07:58 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] not really new poetry ... Message-ID: The Lied and Art Song Texts Page: http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/pindexa.html Introduction This site houses an extensive, growing archive of 27,522 texts to 42,643 settings of Lieder and other classical art songs (Kunstlieder, M?lodies, Romansy, etc.) and other classical vocal pieces such as choral works, madrigals and part-songs, in over 45 languages, with 6,496 volunteer translations to English, French, Spanish, German, and other languages. It was created in May, 1995 by Emily Ezust, and is offered as a free public service. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From munrop at sprynet.com Sat Mar 15 16:01:34 2008 From: munrop at sprynet.com (munrop at sprynet.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:01:34 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Frank Stanford Message-ID: <380-22008361520134953@sprynet.com> Hi All, Somebody by the e-address of AlMaginnes gave us this: "Here is a link to an essay about a nearly forgotten American poet who deserves a much wider audience than he ever managed in life. (Fans of Lucinda Williams should know that Stanford was the subject of her song "Pineola). http://poetryfoundation.org/journal/feature.html?id=181083" Wow. Thanks for this. I'd never heard of this guy before. I found the poems collected at the Poetry Foundation site (http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poet.html?id=98306) quite useful and intriguing. Clearly I need to get deeper into Stanford's work. Reading the Poetry Foundation selection from "The Battlefield Where the Moon Says I Love You", "The Last Supper", I was immediately put in mind of James Dickey, (especially "May Day Sermon to the Women of Gilmer County, Georgia, by a Woman Preacher Leaving the Baptist Church"). Yeah, maybe, maybe not. I've just hauled out that poem and had another look, (http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/poetry/dickey/mayday.htm); not so sure now. Oh hell. Yes I am. The voices both poems very appealing to me in much the same way, sophisticated critique not withstanding. When I read the Stanford work I also find ringing in my hear poems by David Lee, especially in the the voice of "John" and poems by Elton Glaser. There is something to that rockin' Southern preacherizing and miserifying that gets right to me, an uptight Calvinist from the far north and altogeher too cramped in my speech. I wouldn't know a true Southern voice if it whacked me up side the head so all those poets could be feeding me bamboozlement and I have to take it on faith. However, counterfit or true, those are poems voiced in a way that touches me. Thanks again for the heads-up about Stanford. After my sign-off I've included a poem by David Lee and a poem by Elton Glaser. Peter P.S. I swiped "miserifying" (see below). Sorry if my use of it and preacherizing sullied the southern tongue. My klutzy usages were intended as homage, not parody. For Jan, With Love 1. John he comes to my house pulls his beat up truck in my drive and honks Dave John sez Dave my red sow she got pigs stuck and my big hands they wont go and I gotta get them pigs out or that fucker shes gonna die and I sez John goddam well be right down and John sez Jan he yells JAN wheres Jan shes got little hands she can get in there and pull them pigs and I sez Jan and he sez Jan and Jan comes what? Jan sez and John sez tell Jan Dave and I sez Jan John's red sows got pigs stuck and his hands too big and wont go and hes gotta get them pigs out or that fuckers gonna die (John he turns his head and lights a cigarette) (he dont say fuck to no woman) and Jan sez well lets go and we get in Johns beat up damn truck and go pull Johns pigs 2. Johns red sow she doesn't weigh a hundred and sixty pounds but he bred her to his biggest boar and had to put hay bales by her sides so the boar wouldn't break her back because Carl bet five dollars he couldnt and John he bet five she could and John he won but Carl enjoyed watching anyway 3. Johns red sow was laying on her side hurting bad and we could see she had a pig right there but it wouldnt come she was too small and John sez see and I sez I see that pigs gotta come out or that fuckers gonna die and Jan puts vaseline on her hands and sez hold her legs and I hold her legs and Jan goes in after the pig and John gets out of the pen and goes somewheres else Jan she pulls like hell pretty soon the pig come big damn big little pig dead and I give Jan more vaseline and she goes back to see about any more and Johns red sow pushes hard on Jans arm up to her elbow inside and Jan sez theres more help me and I help another pig damn big damn dead comes and Johns red sow she seems better and we hope thats all 4. Johns red sow wont go out of labor so we stay all night and John brings coffee and smokes and flashlight batteries and finally Jan can feel another pig but Johns red sows swole up tight and she cant grab hold but only touch so I push her side and she grunts and screams and shits all over Jans arm and Jan sez I got it help me and I help and we pull for a goddam hour and pull the pigs head off and I sez oh my god we gotta get that pig now or that fuckers gonna die for sure and John sez what happened? and Jan gives him a baby pigs head in his hand and John goes somewheres else again while Jan goes back fast inside grabbing hard and Johns red sow hurts bad and Jan sez I got something help me and I help and we start taking that pig out piece by piece. 5. Goddam you bitch dont you die Jan yells when Johns red sow dont help no more and we work and the sun comes up and we finally get the last piece of pig out and give Johns red sow a big shot of penicillin her ass swole up like a football but she dont labor and John sez is that all? and Jan wipes her bloody arms on a rag and sez yes and John climbs in the pen and sez hows my red sow? and we look and go home and go to bed because Johns red sow that fucker she died David Lee The Porcine Legacy (1978) Copper Canyon Press SLUM HISSELF, MOUTH OPEN That night my daddy put The egg in orbit With an 8-ball spin Could be he was washing down some Chiles so hot Even his hair was crying Could be his feet fussed over A 45 on the dancefloor Professor Blues banging out Meet Me with Your Black Drawers On A backroom rendezvous All candles and collision Been 2 deaths and a wedding Since I was my Mama's sidekick in the womb And anybody says that pain don't Add up it's just Bad echoes in the head Has got that wrong has Missed its high Powers to bitch and miserify Pain starts in the seed And flowers out from Marrow to the hangnail quick Some things can't no one Pay down with A pair of sliding dice Even midmost in his marvels The Lord took on A Judas kiss and made good His marker for the pent-up costs All our sins Bought back by blood and vinegar But who needs a truth so hard Its warrant is the Deep scruples of the grave This tongue still licks at Lies and smooths them Sweet as God's breath No smear so slippery it Can't be tricked out In holy robes and haloes In pure anointment like the oil My daddy poured On the wet loins that let me in Elton Glaser the Cream City Review volumne 18.1 (Spring 1994) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Elegy For My Father 1883-1963 When Alfalfa was afraid Spanky and Buckwheat Put a gar in his sock And said it was his leg. Everyone thought he was sick; He sang in the bed all night long. The devil was beating his wife In the Bear Creek Woods And I was alone In the roots of a cypress tree. I had one finger in my ear And one in my toes looking for jam, Waiting for the Negro To set off the dynamite. There were coons in the mussels And sticks of powder Under every stump. Toadspit was washing off the weeds. A fish head was nailed to each tree And the gar bladders going down Sounded like a thousand slow leaks. A kingfisher dived for the river. Fish bladders and dynamite began to blow up. I saw half a bullfrog Fly under the rainbow And land on the bank. It hopped for the rest of itself. It hopped for the rest of its life. The devil is beating his wife In the Bear Creek Woods; Alfalfa sings in the bed With his gar leg on; My father's socks sit in the drawer Like old bullfrogs. --Frank Stanford. The Singing Knives. Lost Roads, 1979. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 15, 2008, at 3:01 PM, munrop at sprynet.com wrote: > Hi All, > > Somebody by the e-address of AlMaginnes gave us this: > > "Here is a link to an essay about a nearly forgotten American poet > who deserves a much wider audience than he ever managed in life. > (Fans of Lucinda Williams should know that Stanford was the subject > of her song "Pineola). > > http://poetryfoundation.org/journal/feature.html?id=181083" > > Wow. Thanks for this. I'd never heard of this guy before. I > found the poems collected at the Poetry Foundation site (http:// > www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poet.html?id=98306) quite useful > and intriguing. Clearly I need to get deeper into Stanford's work. > > Reading the Poetry Foundation selection from "The Battlefield Where > the Moon Says I Love You", "The Last Supper", I was immediately put > in mind of James Dickey, (especially "May Day Sermon to the Women > of Gilmer County, Georgia, by a Woman Preacher Leaving the Baptist > Church"). > > Yeah, maybe, maybe not. I've just hauled out that poem and had > another look, (http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/poetry/dickey/ > mayday.htm); not so sure now. Oh hell. Yes I am. The voices both > poems very appealing to me in much the same way, sophisticated > critique not withstanding. When I read the Stanford work I also > find ringing in my hear poems by David Lee, especially in the the > voice of "John" and poems by Elton Glaser. > > There is something to that rockin' Southern preacherizing and > miserifying that gets right to me, an uptight Calvinist from the > far north and altogeher too cramped in my speech. I wouldn't know > a true Southern voice if it whacked me up side the head so all > those poets could be feeding me bamboozlement and I have to take it > on faith. However, counterfit or true, those are poems voiced in a > way that touches me. > > Thanks again for the heads-up about Stanford. > > After my sign-off I've included a poem by David Lee and a poem by > Elton Glaser. > > Peter > > P.S. I swiped "miserifying" (see below). Sorry if my use of it > and preacherizing sullied the southern tongue. My klutzy usages > were intended as homage, not parody. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From asurkont at localnet.com Sat Mar 15 19:56:51 2008 From: asurkont at localnet.com (Amanda Surkont) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:56:51 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Frank Stanford In-Reply-To: <94DFE418-E81D-4362-95A5-B63A88088BF0@ripon.edu> References: <380-22008361520134953@sprynet.com> <94DFE418-E81D-4362-95A5-B63A88088BF0@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Lost Roads has some of his work in reprint. Check out their web page. best, mands On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:20:52 -0500, David Graham wrote: > I never picked up Stanford's selected poems back when it first > appeared, and now I see that Amazon is selling used copies for over > $60. Ouch. It does seem odd that there's no in-print selected. > Didn't one of his collections appear as one of the Carnegie-Mellon > classic contemporaries, or am I hallucinating? Nice big selection of > poems online, anyway. > > On my shelves are a # of his chaps & small press books, in any case, > all long out of print now. Goes to show you should never get rid of > poetry books. > > Here's one of his poems that's stuck in my mind for many years. > First and last stanzas italicized. > > Elegy For My Father > > 1883-1963 > > When Alfalfa was afraid > Spanky and Buckwheat > Put a gar in his sock > And said it was his leg. > Everyone thought he was sick; > He sang in the bed all night long. > > The devil was beating his wife > In the Bear Creek Woods > And I was alone > In the roots of a cypress tree. > > I had one finger in my ear > And one in my toes looking for jam, > Waiting for the Negro > To set off the dynamite. > > There were coons in the mussels > And sticks of powder > Under every stump. > Toadspit was washing off the weeds. > > A fish head was nailed to each tree > And the gar bladders going down > Sounded like a thousand slow leaks. > A kingfisher dived for the river. > Fish bladders and dynamite began to blow up. > > I saw half a bullfrog > Fly under the rainbow > And land on the bank. > It hopped for the rest of itself. > It hopped for the rest of its life. > > The devil is beating his wife > In the Bear Creek Woods; > Alfalfa sings in the bed > With his gar leg on; > My father's socks sit in the drawer > Like old bullfrogs. > > --Frank Stanford. The Singing Knives. Lost Roads, 1979. > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > On Mar 15, 2008, at 3:01 PM, munrop at sprynet.com wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Somebody by the e-address of AlMaginnes gave us this: >> >> "Here is a link to an essay about a nearly forgotten American poet >> who deserves a much wider audience than he ever managed in life. >> (Fans of Lucinda Williams should know that Stanford was the subject >> of her song "Pineola). >> >> http://poetryfoundation.org/journal/feature.html?id=181083" >> >> Wow. Thanks for this. I'd never heard of this guy before. I >> found the poems collected at the Poetry Foundation site (http:// >> www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poet.html?id=98306) quite useful >> and intriguing. Clearly I need to get deeper into Stanford's work. >> >> Reading the Poetry Foundation selection from "The Battlefield Where >> the Moon Says I Love You", "The Last Supper", I was immediately put >> in mind of James Dickey, (especially "May Day Sermon to the Women >> of Gilmer County, Georgia, by a Woman Preacher Leaving the Baptist >> Church"). >> >> Yeah, maybe, maybe not. I've just hauled out that poem and had >> another look, (http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/poetry/dickey/ >> mayday.htm); not so sure now. Oh hell. Yes I am. The voices both >> poems very appealing to me in much the same way, sophisticated >> critique not withstanding. When I read the Stanford work I also >> find ringing in my hear poems by David Lee, especially in the the >> voice of "John" and poems by Elton Glaser. >> >> There is something to that rockin' Southern preacherizing and >> miserifying that gets right to me, an uptight Calvinist from the >> far north and altogeher too cramped in my speech. I wouldn't know >> a true Southern voice if it whacked me up side the head so all >> those poets could be feeding me bamboozlement and I have to take it >> on faith. However, counterfit or true, those are poems voiced in a >> way that touches me. >> >> Thanks again for the heads-up about Stanford. >> >> After my sign-off I've included a poem by David Lee and a poem by >> Elton Glaser. >> >> Peter >> >> P.S. I swiped "miserifying" (see below). Sorry if my use of it >> and preacherizing sullied the southern tongue. My klutzy usages >> were intended as homage, not parody. >> >> >> From AlMaginnes at aol.com Sat Mar 15 18:59:08 2008 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:59:08 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Frank Stanford Message-ID: I wish someone would reprint Crib Death, which I always thought was one of his better books. The poems in there seem a bit more polished than in some of the other chapbooks. **************It's Tax Time! 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Mar 15 20:22:17 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:22:17 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Parnassus 30th In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0803142023q5d091c59hf9ce33317cf73400@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CA54123B1C90DB-90C-3C8@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com><47DABA6E.2000003@opus40.org> <47DB08DA.7060706@nut-n-but.net><9b1b9dab0803141644p56d58c59re8db69b8e0cb8cc0@mail.gmail.com><47DB385B.20206@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0803142023q5d091c59hf9ce33317cf73400@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DC6839.8050703@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > Bob, maybe it's immaterial who the barbarians are, but who is doing > the pulling. At any rate, I wish you would get a chance to make a > decision about a big grant, award or a big publication by a mainstream > press. > > Bob, I don't agree with you on a lot of things (what you see as > copying implies that the original resource has been exhausted... > perhaps my primary, irresolvable difference), but I honestly adore you > and your consistent challenge to all kinds of complacencies, our > disagreement about which are real and which are imagined > notwithstanding. > > c Thanks for the appreesh, Chris, and pretty much the same back to you from me. One thing more--I don't think any species of poetry can be PERMANENTLY exhausted, but surely some become temporarily unproductive? In one kind of poetry I consider myself an expert in, haiku, the mainstream species has been in this condition for decades, it seems to me. It's clearly turned into a formula. Yes, good conventional haiku keep popping up and I write about them, but few if any near the first rank. --Bob G. From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Mar 15 19:51:07 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:51:07 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Strike! Strike! Message-ID: <47DC60EB.9050507@opus40.org> http://www.theonion.com/content/news/novelists_strike_fails_to_affect?utm_source=EMTF_Onion Wait'll they see the poets' strike. People will be dying miserably every day for lack of what isn't there, -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From cstroffo at earthlink.net Sat Mar 15 21:00:48 2008 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:00:48 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Strike! Strike! In-Reply-To: <47DC60EB.9050507@opus40.org> References: <47DC60EB.9050507@opus40.org> Message-ID: <57F0D5DA-88C5-4580-8655-8B1885D4373C@earthlink.net> Didn't Rilke kinda go on a poet-strike for most of the 1910s? Did he worry about the scabs? Did he end up getting paid me with the Duino elegies? (do I just mean money as a metaphor?) On Mar 15, 2008, at 4:51 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > http://www.theonion.com/content/news/ > novelists_strike_fails_to_affect?utm_source=EMTF_Onion > > > Wait'll they see the poets' strike. People will be dying miserably > every day for lack of what isn't there, > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Mar 15 22:22:48 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:22:48 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] The first ten years Message-ID: <47DC8478.6070507@opus40.org> ..of Poetry, online, in facsimile. Directed here by Silliman's Blog, this is a treasure trove. http://dl.lib.brown.edu:8081/exist/mjp/show_issue.xq?id=1201876985640625 -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 01:10:33 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:10:33 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Frank Stanford In-Reply-To: <380-22008361520134953@sprynet.com> References: <380-22008361520134953@sprynet.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0803152210x4f8d53b7jc398d2ac8848ff49@mail.gmail.com> Peter -- David Lee came to my mind too, but then any poem with pigs from further South than Washington State tends to do that. Glad it wasn't just me. I just ordered the Stanford books I could find. c From munrop at sprynet.com Sun Mar 16 01:24:22 2008 From: munrop at sprynet.com (munrop at sprynet.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:24:22 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Frank Stanford Message-ID: <380-22008301652422465@sprynet.com> Hi All, Chris wrote: > Peter -- David Lee came to my mind too, but then any poem with pigs > from further South than Washington State tends to do that. Glad it > wasn't just me. For those of you who don't know, "Down South" to Chris, like all Alaskans, means "Seattle". > I just ordered the Stanford books I could find. Good job, Chris. I'll borrow them from you next time you pass through town. Pete From s.allen.moore at mac.com Sun Mar 16 03:37:30 2008 From: s.allen.moore at mac.com (Steve Moore) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:37:30 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Frank Stanford In-Reply-To: <380-22008301652422465@sprynet.com> References: <380-22008301652422465@sprynet.com> Message-ID: <420032D4-C92A-448F-A3BC-61BF0F067BBC@mac.com> To us Fairbanksan Alaskans, down south means Anchorage, which they tell me is very close to Alaska. -S. Allen Moore On Mar 15, 2008, at 9:24 PM, munrop at sprynet.com wrote: > Hi All, > > Chris wrote: > >> Peter -- David Lee came to my mind too, but then any poem with pigs >> from further South than Washington State tends to do that. Glad it >> wasn't just me. > > For those of you who don't know, "Down South" to Chris, like all > Alaskans, > means "Seattle". > >> I just ordered the Stanford books I could find. > > Good job, Chris. I'll borrow them from you next time you pass > through town. > > Pete > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Mar 16 14:46:20 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:46:20 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Borges Message-ID: <76C6E75FA9834C93832BFD40916FC0A8@AnnyPC> [..] The belief in art for art's sake, according to the Russian Communist theorist Georgy Plekhanov, "arises when artists and also people keenly interested in art are hopelessly out of harmony with their social environment." [...] http://dailyscare.com/2751/on-the-trail-of-jorge-luis-borges-in-buenos-aires -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.weinstock at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 18:04:38 2008 From: david.weinstock at gmail.com (David Weinstock) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:04:38 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Borges In-Reply-To: <76C6E75FA9834C93832BFD40916FC0A8@AnnyPC> References: <76C6E75FA9834C93832BFD40916FC0A8@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <437b1e3a0803161504q2862bd25rfe8a9f0363c53a25@mail.gmail.com> I'd have to agree with that except for the word "hopelessly"--I would say "gloriously." On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > [..] The belief in art for art's sake, according to the Russian Communist > theorist Georgy Plekhanov, "arises when artists and also people keenly > interested in art are hopelessly out of harmony with their social > environment." [...] > > http://dailyscare.com/2751/on-the-trail-of-jorge-luis-borges-in-buenos-aires > > > > ------------------------------ > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- .......................................................... 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The winner of the Pulitzer Prize for Of Being Numerous (1968), Oppen was also the author of Discrete Series (1934), The Materials (1962), This in Which (1965) and Primitive (1978). @ Tribeca Performing Arts Center Borough of Manhattan Community College 199 Chambers Street $10/Free to Students and Poets House Members Audiences may attend individual events or the entire symposium Uncertain Poetries: Essays on Poets, Poetry and Poetics (2005) and Exigent Futures: New and Selected Poems (2003) available at _www.saltpublishing.com_ (http://www.saltpublishing.com) , amazon.com and good bookstores. Survey of work at _http://www.thing.net/~grist/ld/heller.htm_ (http://www.thing.net/~grist/ld/heller.htm) Collaborations with the composer Ellen Fishman Johnson at _http://www.efjcomposer.com/EFJ/Collaborations.html_ (http://www.efjcomposer.com/EFJ/Collaborations.html) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. 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On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: [..] The belief in art for art's sake, according to the Russian Communist theorist Georgy Plekhanov, "arises when artists and also people keenly interested in art are hopelessly out of harmony with their social environment." [...] http://dailyscare.com/2751/on-the-trail-of-jorge-luis-borges-in-buenos-aires ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- .......................................................... 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[...] > > > http://dailyscare.com/2751/on-the-trail-of-jorge-luis-borges-in-buenos-aires > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Anny Ballardini > > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > -- > .......................................................... > > DAVID WEINSTOCK > 240 Woodland Park, Middlebury, VT 05753 > > Home: 802-388-6939 > Cell: 802-989-4314 > > AIM:DavidinMbury > GoogleTalk: david.weinstock > NetMeeting Videoconference available > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From rog3r.day at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 10:32:14 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:32:14 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Borges In-Reply-To: <76C6E75FA9834C93832BFD40916FC0A8@AnnyPC> References: <76C6E75FA9834C93832BFD40916FC0A8@AnnyPC> Message-ID: I think the art for art's sake is a red-herring in this context. Jorge Luis undoubtedly supported a dictatorship (I believe he knew exactly what he was doing) and there are many other examples: Heidegger and von Karajan Nazis, Eliot, royalist and anti-semite. Gertrude Stein spent the Second World War in a secluded French villa living very nicely, thankyou very much, in direct contrast to Claude Cahun who actively tried to obstruct the Nazi cause (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n24/cast01_.html). All our heroes have feet of clay. Lawrence said trust the tale and not the teller, and I urge compassion when thinking of those who transgress. Roger On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > > [..] The belief in art for art's sake, according to the Russian Communist > theorist Georgy Plekhanov, "arises when artists and also people keenly > interested in art are hopelessly out of harmony with their social > environment." [...] > http://dailyscare.com/2751/on-the-trail-of-jorge-luis-borges-in-buenos-aires > > > > ________________________________ > > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "She went out with her paint box, paints the chapel blue She went out with her matches, torched the car-wash too" The Go-Betweens From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Mar 17 11:50:48 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:50:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sam Gwynn sighting Message-ID: . . . on an interesting poem-a-day site, The Gladdest Thing: http://thegladdestthing.com/ Scroll down to find "My Agent Says." ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David Graham wrote: > . . . on an interesting poem-a-day site, The Gladdest Thing: > > http://thegladdestthing.com/ > > Scroll down to find "My Agent Says." > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Mon Mar 17 13:15:42 2008 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:15:42 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Sam Gwynn sighting Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2008 11:16:45 AM Central Daylight Time, Opus40-01 at opus40.org writes: > > > I love thzt one, Sam. > > David Graham wrote: > >. . . on an interesting poem-a-day site, The Gladdest Thing: > > Thanks all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wonder how many good poem-a-day or poem-in-some-reasonable-interval sites I am missing! c From jforjames at aol.com Mon Mar 17 15:10:19 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:10:19 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Motherwell and Alberti In-Reply-To: <8CA565324398F54-FFC-1F54@WEBMAIL-MB19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA565324398F54-FFC-1F54@WEBMAIL-MB19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA5679AD4C1B00-8EC-117B@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> http://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/motherwell/ Yesterday at St. Joseph College in West Hartford CT I saw an exhibit of these prints by Robert Motherwell related to the?poem sequence by Rafael Alberti called "A la pintura"?(To painting).?A very elegant?combination of aquatint prints and?letterpress text in?English translation and the original Spanish. If you every have a chance to see these prints on display, go see them. (And don't wait to the last day I?did, because you might want to revisit them while they're up.) There's a lovely introduction to the poetry by Alberti where he talks about how he first came to know real painting?when he got to the Prado museum. Before then he had only seen bad/faded reproductions that had made their way to the village in which he lived. Finnegan Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Mar 17 16:03:50 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:03:50 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] After Babel by Leonard Schwartz Message-ID: <8CA568126F6B718-8EC-1562@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=24865 Saying is never really obvious. My 2007 book Language As Responsibility assumed the necessity of an address to the other. Jewish philosopher Emmanuel Levinas suggested that the very presence of language implies the existence of an other, and therefore each utterance we make carries weight in the world: utterances that stand as if face to face, where the human face proves the existence of the other. From this premise, Language As Responsibility combined three forms of address to the other: conversation, proposition, and poem. The first section was an interview with the Israeli poet and peace activist, Aharon Shabtai, the second an essay on Arabic and Israeli writing in translation, the third section one of my poems. In the poem I misquote the great Russian poet Marina Tsvetaeva. Early in the last century she wrote, famously, "all poets are Jews. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Dave > I think the art for art's sake is a red-herring in this context. Jorge > Luis undoubtedly supported a dictatorship (I believe he knew exactly > what he was doing) and there are many other examples: Heidegger and > von Karajan Nazis, Eliot, royalist and anti-semite. Gertrude Stein > spent the Second World War in a secluded French villa living very > nicely, thankyou very much, in direct contrast to Claude Cahun who > actively tried to obstruct the Nazi cause > (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n24/cast01_.html). All our heroes have feet > of clay. Lawrence said trust the tale and not the teller, and I urge > compassion when thinking of those who transgress. > > Roger > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > > > > > > [..] The belief in art for art's sake, according to the Russian Communist > > theorist Georgy Plekhanov, "arises when artists and also people keenly > > interested in art are hopelessly out of harmony with their social > > environment." [...] > > http://dailyscare.com/2751/on-the-trail-of-jorge-luis-borges-in-buenos-aires > > -- David Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 17 17:57:03 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:57:03 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Motherwell and Alberti In-Reply-To: <8CA5679AD4C1B00-8EC-117B@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA565324398F54-FFC-1F54@WEBMAIL-MB19.sysops.aol.com> <8CA5679AD4C1B00-8EC-117B@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: very refined work, it gives me an idea for hopefully a future work I am trying to put together. ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Motherwell and Alberti http://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/motherwell/ Yesterday at St. Joseph College in West Hartford CT I saw an exhibit of these prints by Robert Motherwell related to the poem sequence by Rafael Alberti called "A la pintura" (To painting). A very elegant combination of aquatint prints and letterpress text in English translation and the original Spanish. If you every have a chance to see these prints on display, go see them. (And don't wait to the last day I did, because you might want to revisit them while they're up.) There's a lovely introduction to the poetry by Alberti where he talks about how he first came to know real painting when he got to the Prado museum. Before then he had only seen bad/faded reproductions that had made their way to the village in which he lived. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or walking in Ireland down any rutted by-road To where it hit the highway, there was always At this turning-point and abutment A small centre, V-shape of grass Untouched by cornering traffic, Where country lads larked at night. I think I know what the shape of the field was That made the old man weep. --W.R. Rodgers (1909-1969) The Faber Book of Irish Verse, edited by John Montague, Faber & Faber 1974 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Mar 17 10:34:28 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:34:28 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Motherwell and Alberti Message-ID: <8CA565324398F54-FFC-1F54@WEBMAIL-MB19.sysops.aol.com> http://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/motherwell/ Yesterday at St. Joseph College in West Hartford CT I saw an exhibit of these prints by Robert Motherwell related to the?poem sequence by Rafael Alberti called "A la pintura"?(To painting).?A very elegant?combination of aquatint prints and?letterpress text in?English translation and the original Spanish. If you every have a chance to see these prints on display, go see them. (And don't wait to the last day I?did, because you might want to revisit them while they're up.) There's a lovely introduction to the poetry by Alberti where he talks about how he first came to know real painting?when he got to the Prado museum. Before then he had only seen bad/faded reproductions that had made their way to the village in which he lived. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rog3r.day at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 07:29:01 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:29:01 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Borges In-Reply-To: <47DED923.1040705@ntlworld.com> References: <76C6E75FA9834C93832BFD40916FC0A8@AnnyPC> <47DED923.1040705@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: He lost his job under Peron for apparently being outspoken so maybe he was trying to keep his job? I don't think I'd do any different in the circumstances. On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:48 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > Thanks to Anny for the interesting link. Regarding Borges, I knew about > his being criticised for not publicly opposing the generals, what I > don't know about is the precise nature of the difficulties between him > and the earlier post-war Peronist regime (under which he certainly was > victimised) and how much this influenced, and compromised, his attitudes > towards the deposing of its latter incarnation. > Where feet are concerned, Roger, unmetrically, my own are made of sand > (my peripheries have neuropathy) but where those whose feet are made of > clay occur I have compassion as long as they don't tread on me as it is > a rather sticky, suffocating and geologically long-term fate to suffer. > > Best > > Dave > > > I think the art for art's sake is a red-herring in this context. Jorge > > Luis undoubtedly supported a dictatorship (I believe he knew exactly > > what he was doing) and there are many other examples: Heidegger and > > von Karajan Nazis, Eliot, royalist and anti-semite. Gertrude Stein > > spent the Second World War in a secluded French villa living very > > nicely, thankyou very much, in direct contrast to Claude Cahun who > > actively tried to obstruct the Nazi cause > > (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n24/cast01_.html). All our heroes have feet > > of clay. Lawrence said trust the tale and not the teller, and I urge > > compassion when thinking of those who transgress. > > > > Roger > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > [..] The belief in art for art's sake, according to the Russian Communist > > > theorist Georgy Plekhanov, "arises when artists and also people keenly > > > interested in art are hopelessly out of harmony with their social > > > environment." [...] > > > http://dailyscare.com/2751/on-the-trail-of-jorge-luis-borges-in-buenos-aires > > > > > -- > > David Bircumshaw > Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "She went out with her paint box, paints the chapel blue She went out with her matches, torched the car-wash too" The Go-Betweens From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 08:33:02 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] FRIDAY, MARCH 28TH -- MULLEN, VOLPERT, & POE Message-ID: <16309.67919.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MiPOesias presents ~~ MULLEN, VOLPERT, & POE ~~ Friday, March 28th @ 7 p.m. Stain Bar ? Williamsburg, Brooklyn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LAURA MULLEN is a Professor at Louisiana State University. She is theauthor of five books: three collections of poetry and two hybrid texts. Hermost recent book is the hybrid text murder mystery, Murmur (futurepoem2007). Prizes for her poetry include Ironwood?s Stanford Prize, and she hasbeen awarded a National Endowment for the Arts Fellowship and a Rona JaffeAward, among other honors. Recent poems have appeared or are forthcoming in Octopus,1913, New American Writing, the DenverQuarterly, and elsewhere. Recent prose has been collected in Civil Disobediences: Poetics & Politics in Action (Coffeehouse Press), and Paraspheres(Omnidawn). An essay on Sylvia Plath appears in the Spring 2008 issue of Court Green. [http://www.mipoesias.com/2007/mullen_laura.htm] MEGAN A. VOLPERT is a performance poet from Chicagowho has settled in Atlantawith her partner, Mindy. Volpert holds an MFA in Creative Writing from Louisiana State University,and currently teaches High School English. the desense of nonfense is her second full-length book of poems,forthcoming from BlazeVOX Books in 2009. She published two collections in 2007:face blindness also with BlazeVOX and domestic transmission, achapbook with MetroMania Press. Her other publications credits include columbia poetry review, coconut and MiPOesias Magazine. This self-proclaimed love child of Joan Jett and Tina Fey has sharedmicrophones with a wide range of poets: from Christian B?k, Andrei Codrescu,and Alice Notley, to Laura Mullen, Collin Kelley and Buddy Wakefield. Volperthas been in competition at the National Poetry Slam, and is a board member ofPoetry Atlanta Inc. Rooted in confessionalism and surrealism, her work has a strong interest in theperformative and is also influenced by second-generation New York Schoolpoetry. [http://cdn4.libsyn.com/miporadio/MeganVolpert1.pdf] DEBORAH POE is the author of Our Parenthetical Ontology (CustomWords 2008)as well as chapbooks from Furniture_Press and Stockport Flats Press. Deborah?s poems have appeared in Denver Quarterly, Copper Nickel, Many Mountains Moving, Drunken Boat, MiPOesias, Caesura, and other journals aswell as in the anthologies Fingernails Across the Chalkboard: Poetry and Prose on HIV/AIDS From the Black Diaspora and A Sing Economy. Two of herpoems were nominated for Pushcart Prizes in 2005 and 2006. Deborah?s current projects include finding a publisher for Elements?herpoetry collection based on the periodic table?and completing a short fictioncollection entitled Event Landmarks. Deborah was born a military brat in Del Rio, Texas and has lived throughout the United Statesand abroad. After her undergraduate studies, she worked for almost ten years inbusinesses including hostel clerk and bartender in Paris, environmentalactivist in Austin, a waitress in Taos, engineering assistant at Oregon SteelMill in Portland, editor and international program manager in Seattle, andeducator in Washington state and New York. Deborah Poe currently teaches at Binghamton University where she will receive herdoctoral degree in May 2008. Her Master of Arts is from Western Washington University. [http://www.mipoesias.com/2007/poe_deborah.htm] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ STAIN BAR 766 Grand Street Brooklyn , NY 11211 (L train to Grand Street Stop, walk 1 block west) 718/387-7840 http://www.stainbar.com/ Hope you'll stop by! Amy King http://miporeadingseries2007.blogspot.com/ _______ Blog http://www.amyking.org/blog ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Mar 18 11:09:15 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:09:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Jonathan Williams Message-ID: Nice tribute here: http://gulahiyi.blogspot.com/2008/03/jonathan-williams-1929-2008.html Obituary here: http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080318/ NEWS01/80317097/1009/news01 ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Mar 18 12:55:32 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:55:32 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Borges In-Reply-To: References: <76C6E75FA9834C93832BFD40916FC0A8@AnnyPC><47DED923.1040705@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <14621A358EFD49ED85FAEFCD0595060B@AnnyPC> the question is if you are doing better by being slaughtered or by surviving and if you choose the latter if there is any possibility of saving anybody you know. If you want to dismantle power you have to work from inside, this is what I have always thought. Otherwise you end up being a suicide bomber, what is strange is that he survived. I know that a friend of a friend who was an anthropologist interested in religions was seized and disappeared. I really wonder how Borges made it. They practically killed out an entire generation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Day" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Borges > He lost his job under Peron for apparently being outspoken so maybe he > was trying to keep his job? I don't think I'd do any different in the > circumstances. > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:48 PM, David Bircumshaw > wrote: >> Thanks to Anny for the interesting link. Regarding Borges, I knew about >> his being criticised for not publicly opposing the generals, what I >> don't know about is the precise nature of the difficulties between him >> and the earlier post-war Peronist regime (under which he certainly was >> victimised) and how much this influenced, and compromised, his attitudes >> towards the deposing of its latter incarnation. >> Where feet are concerned, Roger, unmetrically, my own are made of sand >> (my peripheries have neuropathy) but where those whose feet are made of >> clay occur I have compassion as long as they don't tread on me as it is >> a rather sticky, suffocating and geologically long-term fate to suffer. >> >> Best >> >> Dave >> >> > I think the art for art's sake is a red-herring in this context. Jorge >> > Luis undoubtedly supported a dictatorship (I believe he knew exactly >> > what he was doing) and there are many other examples: Heidegger and >> > von Karajan Nazis, Eliot, royalist and anti-semite. Gertrude Stein >> > spent the Second World War in a secluded French villa living very >> > nicely, thankyou very much, in direct contrast to Claude Cahun who >> > actively tried to obstruct the Nazi cause >> > (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n24/cast01_.html). All our heroes have feet >> > of clay. Lawrence said trust the tale and not the teller, and I urge >> > compassion when thinking of those who transgress. >> > >> > Roger >> > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Anny Ballardini >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > [..] The belief in art for art's sake, according to the Russian >> Communist >> > > theorist Georgy Plekhanov, "arises when artists and also people >> keenly >> > > interested in art are hopelessly out of harmony with their social >> > > environment." [...] >> > > >> http://dailyscare.com/2751/on-the-trail-of-jorge-luis-borges-in-buenos-aires >> > > >> >> -- >> >> David Bircumshaw >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > > -- > My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ > "She went out with her paint box, paints the chapel blue > She went out with her matches, torched the car-wash too" > The Go-Betweens > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From jforjames at aol.com Tue Mar 18 15:25:21 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:25:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poets House Upcoming Events In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA5744F13A902B-DCC-F9E@webmail-db08.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Poets House To: James Finnegan Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 9:15 pm Subject: Poets House Upcoming Events POETS HOUSE UPCOMING EVENTS Wednesday, March 19, 6:30pm PASSWORDS: Robert and Jean Hollander on The Divine Comedy Please note: early start-time and location (see below) The distinguished Dante translators act as latter-day Virgils leading us through their translation of The Divine Comedy, which has been hailed as "a touchstone for generations to come." 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URL: From rog3r.day at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 15:55:16 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:55:16 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Borges In-Reply-To: <14621A358EFD49ED85FAEFCD0595060B@AnnyPC> References: <76C6E75FA9834C93832BFD40916FC0A8@AnnyPC> <47DED923.1040705@ntlworld.com> <14621A358EFD49ED85FAEFCD0595060B@AnnyPC> Message-ID: 1975 to 1983 were the years of the Dirty war, although the military began their "campaign" in 1970 it wasn't until 1975 after the exit of Isabel Peron that the campaign entered it's more ... hideous phase. JLB resigned from directorship of the Argentinian National Library in 1973, back when Peron re-assumed power. He spent the years 1976 to 1986 abroad, feted as an international literary figure. Even the cunts who controlled Argentina at the time would have had a lot to explain if he "disappeared". When the 1976 coup was executed, JLB said: "We are now ruled by gentlemen." Maybe, as Dave says, this was because of his hatred of the Peronists, maybe this blinded him to the terror of the following years, maybe this saved him from the butcher's knife, maybe he just wasn't there, maybe he just didn't know (Arendt called Heidegger childlike). I don' t think he was working from within, why would he go abroad if he was working from within? So yes, as you say, strange. As a foot-note, I visited Buenos Aires a couple of times in 1980. I had to walk past their equivalent of the Defence Ministry at night: searchlights, guard-dogs, guns. I remember beautiful girls and well-dressed families strolling in the early evening. I remember watching A Bridge Too Far with the sound turned down and Spanish subtitles. I remember eating steak and drinking rough wine in the restaurants, the balmy breeze, the rustle of leaves and dresses. I remember the River Plate supporters racing through the center after a convincing win over the Boca Juniors. I remember the sound of gunshots and not asking questions. I remember talking politics to a gang-boss, who re-iterated that old saw about Latin American countries needing strong leaders. I remember him being nervous. I do not remember anything about a "dirty war". Now I wonder why nothing was done to stop the murderers. Roger On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > the question is if you are doing better by being slaughtered or by surviving > and if you choose the latter if there is any possibility of saving anybody > you know. > If you want to dismantle power you have to work from inside, this is what I > have always thought. > Otherwise you end up being a suicide bomber, > > what is strange is that he survived. I know that a friend of a friend who > was an anthropologist interested in religions was seized and disappeared. I > really wonder how Borges made it. They practically killed out an entire > generation. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Day" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Borges > > > > > > He lost his job under Peron for apparently being outspoken so maybe he > > was trying to keep his job? I don't think I'd do any different in the > > circumstances. > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:48 PM, David Bircumshaw > > wrote: > >> Thanks to Anny for the interesting link. Regarding Borges, I knew about > >> his being criticised for not publicly opposing the generals, what I > >> don't know about is the precise nature of the difficulties between him > >> and the earlier post-war Peronist regime (under which he certainly was > >> victimised) and how much this influenced, and compromised, his attitudes > >> towards the deposing of its latter incarnation. > >> Where feet are concerned, Roger, unmetrically, my own are made of sand > >> (my peripheries have neuropathy) but where those whose feet are made of > >> clay occur I have compassion as long as they don't tread on me as it is > >> a rather sticky, suffocating and geologically long-term fate to suffer. > >> > >> Best > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > I think the art for art's sake is a red-herring in this context. Jorge > >> > Luis undoubtedly supported a dictatorship (I believe he knew exactly > >> > what he was doing) and there are many other examples: Heidegger and > >> > von Karajan Nazis, Eliot, royalist and anti-semite. Gertrude Stein > >> > spent the Second World War in a secluded French villa living very > >> > nicely, thankyou very much, in direct contrast to Claude Cahun who > >> > actively tried to obstruct the Nazi cause > >> > (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n24/cast01_.html). All our heroes have feet > >> > of clay. Lawrence said trust the tale and not the teller, and I urge > >> > compassion when thinking of those who transgress. > >> > > >> > Roger > >> > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Anny Ballardini > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > [..] The belief in art for art's sake, according to the Russian > >> Communist > >> > > theorist Georgy Plekhanov, "arises when artists and also people > >> keenly > >> > > interested in art are hopelessly out of harmony with their social > >> > > environment." [...] > >> > > > >> http://dailyscare.com/2751/on-the-trail-of-jorge-luis-borges-in-buenos-aires > >> > > > >> > >> -- > >> > >> David Bircumshaw > >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet > >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ > > "She went out with her paint box, paints the chapel blue > > She went out with her matches, torched the car-wash too" > > The Go-Betweens > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "She went out with her paint box, paints the chapel blue She went out with her matches, torched the car-wash too" The Go-Betweens From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 18 17:33:06 2008 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:33:06 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Borges In-Reply-To: References: <76C6E75FA9834C93832BFD40916FC0A8@AnnyPC> <47DED923.1040705@ntlworld.com> <14621A358EFD49ED85FAEFCD0595060B@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <47E03512.5040907@ntlworld.com> From 'Borges and the Right' originally published in the Fall, 1977 edition of The Boston Review: > In addition to falsifying his image, the cult of Borges has taken on > certain ideological overtones. It now provides indirect justification > for the present government in Argentina. Borges's support of the > military regime of Videla seems to be founded upon his intense dislike > of Videla's predecessor, Juan Peron. This dislike began in the 1940s > even before Peron became President for the first time. A liberal who > had favored the Spanish Republic, Borges objected to Peron's fascistic > policies and in particular to his support of Nazi Germany. When Peron > became President, he demoted Borges from his post as municipal > librarian to the rank of poultry inspector. He even imprisoned the > writer's mother and sister. While Peron remained in office, after the > coup which deposed him, and during all the intervening years, Borges's > opposition never diminished. When the Peronists were again elected in > 1973, he called it a "government of scoundrels." In an interview with > a Brazilian newspaper in 1975 he said: "When I think of the cases of > torture [in Argentina] I have the impression that my country.is > disintegrating morally as well as economically." In March 1976, when a > friend informed him that Isabela Peron had been overthrown, Borges > embraced him and wept. When he met Videla, he thanked him for "having > liberated the country from the infamy which we bore." > > Borges hated Peron because he was a demagogue who practiced torture > and suppressed civil liberties. And yet, he has now become a staunch > supporter of a regime which is not substantially different. One can > only conclude that he no longer espouses those principles of democracy > which Peron threatened to destroy thirty years ago. In fact, when he > was in Chile last year to receive that country's highest medal he > said: "In and of itself a dictatorship doesn't seem reprehensible, one > has to consider the particular circumstances. In itself empires don't > seem to be wrong. The Roman Empire and the British Empire did a lot of > good. . . . For a long time I believed in democracy. Now I don't > believe in it; at least not in my own country. Perhaps in other > countries democracy can be justified; but in the Republic of Argentina > I don't think we can trust it. . .Democracy [is] an abuse of > statistics. . .No one supposes that a majority of people can have > valid opinions about literature or about mathematics, but it is > believed that everyone can have valid opinions about politics, which > is more delicate than the other disciplines. . .Yes, it seems that to > destroy liberty is bad. But liberty lends itself to so many abuses. > There are certain liberties which constitute a form of impertinence." > > It is difficult to reconcile this image of Borges, spokesman for > military dictatorships such as that of Videla or even Pinochet, with > that of the Borges who wrote /Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius, /the story > of a group of scholars who invent a planet. They elaborate all of the > aspects of life on Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius--its philosophical > system, languages, ethics, and customs--and then diffuse information > about it to the peoples of the world. As men of the earth learn of the > existence of Tlon, they "submit to the minute and vast evidence of an > ordered planet." Tlon becomes "real": its doctrines win out over > "dialectical materialism, antisemitism, nazism" and the other > "systems" which men had devised to bring order to the world. > > Implicit in /Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis, Tertius /and in many of his stories > is Borges's belief that the universe is incomprehensible. Any efforts > to order experience are ultimately revealed to be false and > inadequate. His skepticism extends to the realm of politics. He has > always proclaimed his independence from any political party, rejecting > nationalism with as much vehemence as communism. As he once said, "I > believe that one day we will deserve not to have governments." How > then can we explain his present espousal of the Videla cause? > Disgusted by the inability to govern which has characterized every > elected government in Argentina during the last twenty years, perhaps > he has opted for the "order" proffered by the Videla regime as the > only alternative to political and economic chaos. If that is the case, > then he has betrayed those ideals which have infused all of his works. > One can only conclude that the other Borges, the public figure, has > taken over at last. Years ago the author himself foresaw this > possibility: "little by little I am giving over everything to him, > though I am quite aware of his perverse custom of falsifying and > magnifying things." > > In spite of his awareness of this danger, Borges has allowed his > namesake to enter the political arena, where he now plays a key role > in the propaganda apparatus of the Videla government. It is indeed to > be regretted that he has become that government's most prestigious > spokesman for the /status quo, /for it is a /status quo /built upon > the destruction of democratic institutions and the repeated violation > of human rights. > > Whether it is responsible for his popularization or not, the > government has clearly profited from Borges's fame and from the > intense diffusion which all of his statements receive. An example of > this was seen in May 1976, when Borges met with Videla. Three other > writers were present: Ernesto Sibato, Leonardo Castellani, and Horacio > Esteban Ratti, President of the Writer's Union (SADE). Borges objected > to the fact that Ratti was invited, saying, "This individual > represents no one." Although this comment is entirely in keeping with > his belief that writers should not belong to a union because writing > is not a job but a destiny, his statement did considerable damage to > the cause which Ratti and the others had come to champion. They > presented Videla with a list of well-known authors who had been > imprisoned or who had simply disappeared and asked him what had become > of them. Because he objected to their presence, Borges undermined the > potential power of public opinion which the Writer's Union had hoped > to musterIn this instance, as a "living monument of national letters," > he gave tacit approval to the regime's repressive policies. > > Thus it is in the direct interest of the government to continue > serving up Borges as a distraction, an icon, the ultimate Argentinean > success story. At home, his countrymen not only bask in the reflected > glory of his international reputation, but they also recieve > assurances from their greatest writer that all is well in Argentina. > Abroad, potential critics of the regime may be disarmed--after all, a > government which has the support of Jorge Luis Borges can't be all > that bad. > > Originally published in the Fall 1977 issue of Boston Review > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Copyright Boston Review , 1993--2005. All > rights reserved. Please do not reproduce without permission. -- David Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rog3r.day at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 18:32:50 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:32:50 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Borges In-Reply-To: <47E03512.5040907@ntlworld.com> References: <76C6E75FA9834C93832BFD40916FC0A8@AnnyPC> <47DED923.1040705@ntlworld.com> <14621A358EFD49ED85FAEFCD0595060B@AnnyPC> <47E03512.5040907@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Nice one, dude. Link is here: http://bostonreview.net/BR03.2/kovacs.html Of course, his support of the Videla regime meant that JLB *could* travel abroad with impunity. I contacted Mark Weiss about this and he points out Gaither Stewart's naievety (could he not use google?), and JLB's anti-semitism (sometimes it seems that every major author of the 20th Century had that ... affliction). Ever since I read of Adorno's backstabbing of Benjamin, I've been interested in the behavior of artists under stress or at defining moments. See Gunter Grass, amongst many, many others, including the sainted Gertrude Stein. Of course, this feeds into the "feet of clay" trope. Roger On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:33 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > >From 'Borges and the Right' originally published in the Fall, 1977 edition > of The Boston Review: > > > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "She went out with her paint box, paints the chapel blue She went out with her matches, torched the car-wash too" The Go-Betweens From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Tue Mar 18 20:05:44 2008 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:05:44 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Jonathan Williams Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:09:46 AM Central Daylight Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: > > Nice tribute here: > > http://gulahiyi.blogspot.com/2008/03/jonathan-williams-1929-2008.html > > > > > This is good. I met Jonathan once and was pleased to tell him that I'd heard about him since about the 8th grade (state history course) and how he was mentioned as one of the few "artists" practicing in NC. Jargon Press was a note of pride in those benighted days before everyone became a poet. I was expecting an aged-hippie type and was surprised to meet this trim guy in a navy blazer who loved to talk infectiously about . . . baseball! I've never cared much for the poets he supported, but he supported them well and tirelessly. I've had several copies of White Trash Cooking, the book that put Jargon in the black (to some bemused embarrassment, I'm sure), but have given them all away. Ave atque vale to a gentleman good and true. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexdickow9 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 15:40:49 2008 From: alexdickow9 at yahoo.com (Alexander Dickow) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] salt tad river david In-Reply-To: <200803191700.m2JH05cO015633@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <178021.73501.qm@web35506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tad! David! Love the SR poems, bravo!! More, more. Amicalement, Alex www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet From jforjames at aol.com Wed Mar 19 16:35:05 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:35:05 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: For Immediate Release: Poetry Foundation Collaborates with HBO on television special for kids about poetry In-Reply-To: <20080317_202803_056449.info@poetryfoundation.org> References: <20080317_202803_056449.info@poetryfoundation.org> Message-ID: <8CA5817D941AA2A-4A0-2F3@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: info at poetryfoundation.org To: JforJames at aol.com Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 4:28 pm Subject: For Immediate Release: Poetry Foundation Collaborates with HBO on television special for kids about poetry For Immediate Release March 17, 2008 Media Contact: Anne Halsey, 312.799.8016 Poetry Foundation Collaborates with HBO on Classical Baby (I'm Grown Up Now): The Poetry Show Latest installment of the Emmy-winning series debuts April 12 CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation, in collaboration with HBO, is pleased to announce the premiere of Classical Baby (I'm Grown Up Now): The Poetry Show, a television special for kids and their families about poetry. The latest installment of HBO's acclaimed Classical Baby series transports viewers into the world of literary arts, planting the seeds for a new generation to become lifelong lovers of poetry. Featuring classic poems by some of the world's greatest poets?including William Shakespeare, Langston Hughes, Elizabeth Barrett Browning, Gertrude Stein, William Carlos Williams, Christina Rossetti, and Federico Garc?a Lorca?the program premieres on Saturday, April 12, at 5:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, exclusively on HBO. "We're certain that young children?and their parents?who are introduced to poetry via this enchanting program will be captivated by the beauty and wonder of the art form," said John Barr, president of the Poetry Foundation. "Our research confirms that a positive experience with poetry early in life is the best way to create a lifelong reader of poetry." An HBO original program produced in association with the Poetry Foundation, Classical Baby (I'm Grown Up Now): The Poetry Show introduces audiences to timeless poetry through animation and song. Featuring the voices of performers Andy Garcia, John Lithgow, Elizabeth Mitchell, Gwyneth Paltrow, Susan Sarandon, and Jeffrey Wright, and poets Langston Hughes, Gertrude Stein, and William Carlos Williams, Classical Baby (I'm Grown Up Now): The Poetry Show consists of approximately a dozen short segments presenting well-known poems?and some surprises?in a delightful format. Between each segment, children?ranging in age from 4 to 9?offer commentary and muse on the meaning and mystery of poetry. Poems featured in the program include the following: "Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening" by Robert Frost; read by Susan Sarandon "The Swing" by Robert Louis Stevenson; sung by Beverly Gile and Frances Archer "The Red Wheelbarrow" by William Carlos Williams; recited by Finn, age 7 "Grassy Grass Grass" by Woody Guthrie; performed by Elizabeth Mitchell "The Owl and the Pussycat" by Edward Lear; read by John Lithgow "Sonnet XVIII" by William Shakespeare; read by Jeffrey Wright "Mariposa" by Federico Garc?a Lorca; recited by Andy Garcia in Spanish with English subtitles "This Is Just to Say," written and read by William Carlos Williams "April Rain Song," written and read by Langston Hughes "A Very Valentine," written and read by Gertrude Stein "Who Has Seen the Wind?" by Christina Rossetti; read by child Maria Molloy "How Do I Love Thee?" by Elizabeth Barrett Browning; read by Gwyneth Paltrow *** About HBO's Classical Baby Designed to introduce the whole family to masterpieces of classical music, painting, dance, and now poetry, the Emmy and Peabody award-winning Classical Baby series is the brainchild of director-producer Amy Schatz. On April 17, HBO Family and HBO Video will release Classical Baby (I'm Grown Up Now): The Poetry Show on DVD. About the Poetry Foundation The Poetry Foundation, publisher of Poetry magazine and one of the largest literary organizations in the world, exists to discover and celebrate the best poetry and to place it before the largest possible audience. The Poetry Foundation seeks to be a leader in shaping a receptive climate for poetry by developing new audiences, creating new avenues for delivery, and encouraging new kinds of poetry through innovative literary prizes and programs. For more information, please visit www.poetryfoundation.org. If you no longer wish to receive emails from the Poetry Foundation, please visit http://poetryfoundation.org/archive/unsubscribe.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A Rainy Night ??? ??? ??? to Than Thao For a long time I haven't had a night like tonight A random raindrop landing on my shoulder and neck makes me remember roaming at night from the Bac Qua flea market to Hang Co train station For one cent of Ruou I was able to fly to heaven For the first time I secretly sold rice coupons to buy loneliness on a street Although thirty, I was still boyish but became a man with a street prostitute that nobody else desired I looked for my fate in every distant place in every kind of trouble Being alive became just a habit Tonight I'm in the South but feel the North's coldness which makes me want a cup of black coffee and draws me into the rainy night on a motorcycle?not a bicycle, like those days But I'm already fifty. How can I be with you again, old girl? At thirty, I was a poet Now I thirst for the lines of a poem when this life turns me to stone Suddenly I'm surprised by a single drop of rain ? ?Ho?ng Hung "This Rainy Night" from Black Dog, Black Night: Contemporary Vietnamese Poetry, edited and translated by Nguyen Do and Paul Hoover (Milkweed Editions, 2008). Copyright ? 2008 by Ho?ng Hung. Used with permission. ? ? To purchase a copy of Black Dog, Black Night, please click here to purchase from Milkweed Editions, or here to find your nearest BookSense bookseller. ? E-verse is brought to you by Milkweed Editions, an independent, nonprofit literary press. The poems in e-verse are selected from new books published by independent nonprofit literary presses around the country. ? Also of interest for e-verse readers:? Visit Open Book in downtown Minneapolis March 7 through April 30 for a photographic exhibit, The Face of Poetry, and accompanying readings. For full information, visit www.openbookmn.org ? 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Gets a college teaching job ? and I bet there were 300-plus applications for that position. Publishes, in a language other than his mother tongue, a first-rate book of poems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Mar 20 00:01:42 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:01:42 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Jonathan Williams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA58563DBE75CD-11EC-285B@WEBMAIL-DF04.sysops.aol.com> As it happens a few weeks I ago I found one his books in a?stall outside the grocery store (every few months I find something worthwhile there). When I picked up the book, I thought to myself, "Is he still alive?" I had his essays _Magpie's Bagpipe_?shelved somewhere but not any of his poetry books. His poetry I'd always typecast as being Wm. Carlos Williams derivative. But looking thru?_An / In??? Ear /?Bartram's / Tree_.??(New Directions 1972, slashes indicate the multi-line typography of the title.), I noticed?the book? had a lot of mixed typography: variable spacing,?indents, elective capitalizations and italics, ornaments, and even a black and white drawing of a mouth. The book?had a hodge-podge?& journalese style that reminded me?of Olson's Maximus. The book has no page numbers and thus no contents or index. Much of the book is diifficult to quote because it's so loosely strung together and quirky. Chockful of literary asides &?name-dropping,?snips, snipes, quips, riffs, refs, quotes, jokes, notes, nods, ditties?and?lyric clips. There's a whole section that deals with racism which is again the?subject of the moment due to Jeramiah Wright's singing sermons. There's an intro by Guy Davenport too. Anyway, here's something to end with: you rust out or you burn out and if this be the last night, let it be! see how few will grieve us. alga? lichen? granite? I have asked the wood thrush to bless us: philos! philos! philos! SYMBIOSIS? WE? PRAY! SYMBIOSIS? WE? PRAY! SYMBIOSIS? WE? PRAY! (ending of "Paean to Dvo??k, Deemer?& McClure") -- Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Jonathan Williams In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:09:46 AM Central Daylight Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: Nice tribute here: http://gulahiyi.blogspot.com/2008/03/jonathan-williams-1929-2008.html This is good.? I met Jonathan once and was pleased to tell him that I'd heard about him since about the 8th grade (state history course) and how he was mentioned as one of the few "artists" practicing in NC.? Jargon Press was a note of pride in those benighted days before everyone became a poet.? I was expecting an aged-hippie type and was surprised to meet this trim guy in a navy blazer who loved to talk infectiously about . . . baseball!? I've never cared much for the poets he supported, but he supported them well and tirelessly.? I've had several copies of White Trash Cooking, the book that put Jargon in the black (to some bemused embarrassment, I'm sure), but have given them all away.? Ave atque vale to a gentleman good and true. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How can I be with you again, old girl? > At thirty, I was a poet > Now I thirst for the lines of a poem > when this life turns me to stone > Suddenly I'm surprised by a single drop of rain > > ?Ho?ng Hung > "This Rainy Night" from *Black Dog, Black Night: Contemporary Vietnamese > Poetry, *edited and translated by Nguyen Do and Paul Hoover (Milkweed > Editions, 2008). Copyright (c) 2008 by Ho?ng Hung. Used with permission. > > > To purchase a copy of *Black Dog, Black Night, *please click hereto purchase from Milkweed Editions, or > here to > find your nearest BookSense bookseller. > > E-verse is brought to you by Milkweed Editions, an independent, nonprofit > literary press. The poems in e-verse are selected from new books published > by independent nonprofit literary presses around the country. > > Also of interest for e-verse readers: > Visit Open Book in downtown Minneapolis March 7 through April 30 for a > photographic exhibit, The Face of Poetry, and accompanying readings. For > full information, visit www.openbookmn.org > > This e-mail was sent from Milkweed Editions > Immediate removal with *PatronMail(R) > SecureUnsubscribe > *. > [image: This e-mail is powered by PatronMail, professional e-mail > marketing for arts, nonprofits & creative businesses.] To > forward this e-mail to a friend or colleague, use this link. > To change your e-mail address or update preferences, use this link. > > ------------------------------ > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Joseph Duemer Professor of Humanities Clarkson University [sharpsand.net] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Mar 20 15:53:20 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:53:20 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: For Immediate Release: Poetry Foundation Collaborates with HBO on television special for kids about poetry In-Reply-To: <8CA5817D941AA2A-4A0-2F3@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> References: <20080317_202803_056449.info@poetryfoundation.org> <8CA5817D941AA2A-4A0-2F3@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47E2C0B0.5050600@opus40.org> I'm going to make a point to watch with my grandson. jforjames at aol.com wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: info at poetryfoundation.org > To: JforJames at aol.com > Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 4:28 pm > Subject: For Immediate Release: Poetry Foundation Collaborates with > HBO on television special for kids about poetry > > *For Immediate Release > March 17, 2008 > Media Contact: Anne Halsey, 312.799.8016 > * > > *Poetry Foundation Collaborates with HBO on > /Classical Baby (I'm Grown Up Now): The Poetry Show/* > /Latest installment of the Emmy-winning series debuts April 12/ > > > > CHICAGO ? The Poetry Foundation, in collaboration with HBO, is pleased > to announce the premiere of /Classical Baby (I'm Grown Up Now): The > Poetry Show/, a television special for kids and their families about > poetry. The latest installment of HBO's acclaimed Classical Baby > series transports viewers into the world of literary arts, planting > the seeds for a new generation to become lifelong lovers of poetry. > Featuring classic poems by some of the world's greatest > poets?including William Shakespeare, Langston Hughes, Elizabeth > Barrett Browning, Gertrude Stein, William Carlos Williams, Christina > Rossetti, and Federico Garc?a Lorca?the program premieres on Saturday, > April 12, at 5:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, exclusively on HBO. > > "We're certain that young children?and their parents?who are > introduced to poetry via this enchanting program will be captivated by > the beauty and wonder of the art form," said John Barr, president of > the Poetry Foundation. "Our research confirms that a positive > experience with poetry early in life is the best way to create a > lifelong reader of poetry." > > An HBO original program produced in association with the Poetry > Foundation, /Classical Baby (I'm Grown Up Now): The Poetry Show/ > introduces audiences to timeless poetry through animation and song. > Featuring the voices of performers Andy Garcia, John Lithgow, > Elizabeth Mitchell, Gwyneth Paltrow, Susan Sarandon, and Jeffrey > Wright, and poets Langston Hughes, Gertrude Stein, and William Carlos > Williams, /Classical Baby (I'm Grown Up Now): The Poetry Show/ > consists of approximately a dozen short segments presenting well-known > poems?and some surprises?in a delightful format. Between each segment, > children?ranging in age from 4 to 9?offer commentary and muse on the > meaning and mystery of poetry. > > Poems featured in the program include the following: > > * "Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening" by Robert Frost; read by > Susan Sarandon > * "The Swing" by Robert Louis Stevenson; sung by Beverly Gile and > Frances Archer > * "The Red Wheelbarrow" by William Carlos Williams; recited by > Finn, age 7 > * "Grassy Grass Grass" by Woody Guthrie; performed by Elizabeth > Mitchell > * "The Owl and the Pussycat" by Edward Lear; read by John Lithgow > * "Sonnet XVIII" by William Shakespeare; read by Jeffrey Wright > * "Mariposa" by Federico Garc?a Lorca; recited by Andy Garcia in > Spanish with English subtitles > * "This Is Just to Say," written and read by William Carlos Williams > * "April Rain Song," written and read by Langston Hughes > * "A Very Valentine," written and read by Gertrude Stein > * "Who Has Seen the Wind?" by Christina Rossetti; read by child > Maria Molloy > * "How Do I Love Thee?" by Elizabeth Barrett Browning; read by > Gwyneth Paltrow > > > * > *** > > * > > *About HBO's /Classical Baby/* Designed to introduce the whole family > to masterpieces of classical music, painting, dance, and now poetry, > the Emmy and Peabody award-winning /Classical Baby/ series is the > brainchild of director-producer Amy Schatz. On April 17, HBO Family > and HBO Video will release /Classical Baby (I'm Grown Up Now): The > Poetry Show/ on DVD. > > *About the Poetry Foundation* > The Poetry Foundation, publisher of /Poetry/ magazine and one of the > largest literary organizations in the world, exists to discover and > celebrate the best poetry and to place it before the largest possible > audience. The Poetry Foundation seeks to be a leader in shaping a > receptive climate for poetry by developing new audiences, creating new > avenues for delivery, and encouraging new kinds of poetry through > innovative literary prizes and programs. For more information, please > visit www.poetryfoundation.org . > > If you no longer wish to receive emails from the Poetry Foundation, > please visit http://poetryfoundation.org/archive/unsubscribe.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar > > for your browser. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 11:31:30 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:31:30 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Kona, HI Message-ID: <648208b60803220831wf352817pf2d3c4b1e621e094@mail.gmail.com> I wanted you to be among those who get the earliest announcement ... you're literally among the very first to know of a new writer's retreat I'm opening here in Kona on the Big Island of Hawaii. We're in the final stages of readying so we'll make a more public announcement (website, etc., maybe a P&W ad) in about three weeks. The retreat itself is the downstairs lanai apartment of a Kona redwood home, built by musician Jerry Riopelle (formerly part of his recording studio). And while it's situated in a residential area (sorry for the real-estate-ese!) it's quite jungly and secluded, with a smashing straight-on view of the ocean, and a lava-tube garden right outside. We plan on providing a great sweet place for writers, and while it cannot be free, it's a lot cheaper than renting a standard B&B on the island, and much more private than most as well. Also I will be offering free residencies for those who apply, are selected, and agree to giving a local reading here in Kailua or up in Volcano and agree to sit in on a community workshop. I will also be requesting assistance in resident-writer selection, so if you are interested in serving on a selection panel, please let me know! Jerry, Naomi, Kamali and I have agreed to provide a great small reader's library for our guests, good books by great authors, with an emphasis on poetry. If anyone would consent to DONATE books to our library we will make sure your books are displayed with love and recommended, with notes about the authors or donors as you wish. We hope to eventually create a truly admirable collection (we are collecting musical instruments and original artwork by writers as well. I have a broadside fetish, so these, too, are EVER so welcome). If you would be willing to donate to us, thank you, and our address is: Kona Coastal Arts Retreat for Artists and Writers 73-1122 Ahikawa Street Kailua-Kona, HI 96740 Feel free to write to me with questions! We'd love to have you here as our guests, upstairs or down! Great Love and Arms of Aloha, Becky Byrkit ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The above was sent to me and I have permission to distribute. Sounds great, huh? -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 22 14:57:15 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:57:15 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Kona, HI In-Reply-To: <648208b60803220831wf352817pf2d3c4b1e621e094@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60803220831wf352817pf2d3c4b1e621e094@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It seems all wonderful, I was wondering what James Cervantes was doing there and also the style, it was so different from the usual Cervantes ... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cervantes" To: "new-poetry" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] from Kona, HI >I wanted you to be among those who get the earliest announcement ... > you're literally among the very first to know of a new writer's > retreat I'm opening here in Kona on the Big Island of Hawaii. We're in > the final stages of readying so we'll make a more public announcement > (website, etc., maybe a P&W ad) in about three weeks. The retreat > itself is the downstairs lanai apartment of a Kona redwood home, built > by musician Jerry Riopelle (formerly part of his recording studio). > And while it's situated in a residential area (sorry for the > real-estate-ese!) it's quite jungly and secluded, with a smashing > straight-on view of the ocean, and a lava-tube garden right outside. > > We plan on providing a great sweet place for writers, and while it > cannot be free, it's a lot cheaper than renting a standard B&B on the > island, and much more private than most as well. Also I will be > offering free residencies for those who apply, are selected, and agree > to giving a local reading here in Kailua or up in Volcano and agree to > sit in on a community workshop. I will also be requesting assistance > in resident-writer selection, so if you are interested in serving on a > selection panel, please let me know! > > Jerry, Naomi, Kamali and I have agreed to provide a great small > reader's library for our guests, good books by great authors, with an > emphasis on poetry. If anyone would consent to DONATE books to our > library we will make sure your books are displayed with love and > recommended, with notes about the authors or donors as you wish. We > hope to eventually create a truly admirable collection (we are > collecting musical instruments and original artwork by writers as > well. I have a broadside fetish, so these, too, are EVER so welcome). > > If you would be willing to donate to us, thank you, and our address is: > > Kona Coastal Arts Retreat for Artists and Writers > 73-1122 Ahikawa Street > Kailua-Kona, HI 96740 > > Feel free to write to me with questions! We'd love to have you here as > our guests, upstairs or down! > > Great Love and Arms of Aloha, > Becky Byrkit > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The above was sent to me and I have permission to distribute. Sounds > great, huh? > > -- Jim > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 15:00:03 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:00:03 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Kona, HI In-Reply-To: References: <648208b60803220831wf352817pf2d3c4b1e621e094@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60803221200g3aa588bub1a2b80f7bb777a2@mail.gmail.com> On 3/22/08, Anny Ballardini wrote: > It seems all wonderful, > I was wondering what James Cervantes was doing there and also the style, it > was so different from the usual Cervantes ... :-) Ebullient, almost, huh? -- Dour ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 22 16:09:45 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:09:45 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Kona, HI In-Reply-To: <648208b60803221200g3aa588bub1a2b80f7bb777a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60803220831wf352817pf2d3c4b1e621e094@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60803221200g3aa588bub1a2b80f7bb777a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4609947500BA475B9836AD83CEA4091A@AnnyPC> exactly! From: "James Cervantes" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:00 PM > On 3/22/08, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> It seems all wonderful, >> I was wondering what James Cervantes was doing there and also the style, >> it >> was so different from the usual Cervantes ... :-) > > Ebullient, almost, huh? > > -- Dour > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ > _______________________________________________ From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 16:55:36 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:55:36 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Kona, HI In-Reply-To: <4609947500BA475B9836AD83CEA4091A@AnnyPC> References: <648208b60803220831wf352817pf2d3c4b1e621e094@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60803221200g3aa588bub1a2b80f7bb777a2@mail.gmail.com> <4609947500BA475B9836AD83CEA4091A@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <648208b60803221355s6f91eaeei9fe5be60bb255358@mail.gmail.com> sniff sniff I will just walk off mon-o-syll-ab-ic-al-ly. - jim On 3/22/08, Anny Ballardini wrote: > exactly! > > > From: "James Cervantes" > > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:00 PM > > > > On 3/22/08, Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> It seems all wonderful, > >> I was wondering what James Cervantes was doing there and also the style, > >> it > >> was so different from the usual Cervantes ... :-) > > > > Ebullient, almost, huh? > > > > -- Dour > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > > ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Mar 23 11:11:58 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:11:58 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Meredith Hall Message-ID: <0E886CF25739435EAF5FF75CCC37C4EA@AnnyPC> a very interesting interview with Meredith Hall http://meredithhall.org/biography/reading-at-the-portland-public-library/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Sun Mar 23 13:58:32 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 3/23/2008 06:39:00 PM Message-ID: <8393596.1206295112996.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hey, looks like cherry blossoms! We've got those here too (here being Knoxville, TN, at the moment). They look great at night in the streetlights too, just like in Tokyo! And, hey, click on anything and it opens up. Hal -----Original Message----- >From: Anny Ballardini >Sent: Mar 23, 2008 1:53 PM >To: New Poetry >Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 3/23/2008 06:39:00 PM > >I got these pictures a week ago - last night it snowed quite low on the mountains around and it is chilly today, >just uploaded them on my blog, oh well, I think these pics are just for Easter! >if you click on them they open up, > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Anny Ballardini >To: anny.ballardini at tin.it >Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:42 PM >Subject: [NarcissusWorks] 3/23/2008 06:39:00 PM > > > > > > >-- >Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 3/23/2008 06:39:00 PM Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard at earthlink.net halvard at gmail.com website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard blog: http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Mar 23 14:17:23 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:17:23 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 3/23/2008 06:39:00 PM In-Reply-To: <8393596.1206295112996.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8393596.1206295112996.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47E69EB3.80706@opus40.org> Anything? Halvard Johnson wrote: > Hey, looks like cherry blossoms! We've got those here > too (here being Knoxville, TN, at the moment). They > look great at night in the streetlights too, just like > in Tokyo! > > And, hey, click on anything and it opens up. > > Hal > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Anny Ballardini >> Sent: Mar 23, 2008 1:53 PM >> To: New Poetry >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 3/23/2008 06:39:00 PM >> >> I got these pictures a week ago - last night it snowed quite low on the mountains around and it is chilly today, >> just uploaded them on my blog, oh well, I think these pics are just for Easter! >> if you click on them they open up, >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anny Ballardini >> To: anny.ballardini at tin.it >> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:42 PM >> Subject: [NarcissusWorks] 3/23/2008 06:39:00 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 3/23/2008 06:39:00 PM >> > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > =============== > email: halvard at earthlink.net > halvard at gmail.com > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > blog: http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Mar 23 14:22:29 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:22:29 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] I need praise! In-Reply-To: <648208b60803231006wb3f7923w8a0cd4f5d6462629@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60803231006wb3f7923w8a0cd4f5d6462629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E69FE5.3080402@opus40.org> I will order a copy. James Cervantes wrote: > Actually, Hamilton Stone Editions is asking if I'd gotten any niceums > blurbs re Temporary Meaning so they can put them on the press website. > Alas, no one has even acknowledged the existence of the book. But, > if there happens to be that rare person out there who not only bought > a copy but read it and liked something about it, I'd love to hear a > sentence or two about it so my publisher doesn't think I'm a complete > loss. I can be reached via the gmail address you find here somewhere. > > -- Jim, shamelessly > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu Sun Mar 23 14:30:06 2008 From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel ) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:30:06 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] I need praise! References: <648208b60803231006wb3f7923w8a0cd4f5d6462629@mail.gmail.com> <47E69FE5.3080402@opus40.org> Message-ID: <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED661D317F@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> Feel free to send a review of the book to Munyori poetry journal. ________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of TheOldMole Sent: Sun 3/23/2008 11:22 AM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I need praise! I will order a copy. James Cervantes wrote: > Actually, Hamilton Stone Editions is asking if I'd gotten any niceums > blurbs re Temporary Meaning so they can put them on the press website. > Alas, no one has even acknowledged the existence of the book. But, > if there happens to be that rare person out there who not only bought > a copy but read it and liked something about it, I'd love to hear a > sentence or two about it so my publisher doesn't think I'm a complete > loss. I can be reached via the gmail address you find here somewhere. > > -- Jim, shamelessly > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to send a review of the book to Munyori poetry journal. ________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of TheOldMole Sent: Sun 3/23/2008 11:22 AM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I need praise! I will order a copy. James Cervantes wrote: > Actually, Hamilton Stone Editions is asking if I'd gotten any niceums > blurbs re Temporary Meaning so they can put them on the press website. > Alas, no one has even acknowledged the existence of the book. But, > if there happens to be that rare person out there who not only bought > a copy but read it and liked something about it, I'd love to hear a > sentence or two about it so my publisher doesn't think I'm a complete > loss. I can be reached via the gmail address you find here somewhere. > > -- Jim, shamelessly > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Mar 23 17:11:29 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:11:29 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Manual Handling Message-ID: I do not know if it will be the same for you, but I just kept on laughing inside: Mr. James Davies is interested in our safety. See how: http://www.beardofbees.com/davies.html Best, Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duemer at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 17:13:21 2008 From: duemer at gmail.com (Joseph Duemer) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:13:21 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] I need praise! In-Reply-To: <6D49458AFD2C4221AA7E66E08FAC7A3D@AnnyPC> References: <648208b60803231006wb3f7923w8a0cd4f5d6462629@mail.gmail.com> <47E69FE5.3080402@opus40.org> <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED661D317F@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> <6D49458AFD2C4221AA7E66E08FAC7A3D@AnnyPC> Message-ID: Well, Jim, I just ordered it & I'm sure I'll be able to say something nice at Sharp Sand . jd On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > And if you wish also to the Poets' Corner, I let the Review section die > down, this is an invitation to you all, thank you, Anny > > From: "Sigauke, Emmanuel " > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:30 PM > Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] I need praise! > > > Feel free to send a review of the book to Munyori poetry journal. > > ________________________________ > > From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of TheOldMole > Sent: Sun 3/23/2008 11:22 AM > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I need praise! > > > > I will order a copy. > > James Cervantes wrote: > > Actually, Hamilton Stone Editions is asking if I'd gotten any niceums > > blurbs re Temporary Meaning so they can put them on the press website. > > Alas, no one has even acknowledged the existence of the book. But, > > if there happens to be that rare person out there who not only bought > > a copy but read it and liked something about it, I'd love to hear a > > sentence or two about it so my publisher doesn't think I'm a complete > > loss. I can be reached via the gmail address you find here somewhere. > > > > -- Jim, shamelessly > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > > ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf > > ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html > > ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573 at N08/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Joseph Duemer Professor of Humanities Clarkson University [sharpsand.net] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <648208b60803231006wb3f7923w8a0cd4f5d6462629@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60803231006wb3f7923w8a0cd4f5d6462629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E6C886.1030208@ntlworld.com> You know James I got some wonderful reviews for my book 'The Animal Subsides' and a fine write up for the back cover from the critic Andrew Duncan and still, outside personal contacts, hardly anyone buys it! -- David Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk From halvard at earthlink.net Sun Mar 23 18:08:16 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:08:16 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] In need of praise? Message-ID: Praise? Hey, if Walt could do it himself, so can you! Why wait for others to do your dirty work? Blurb up a storm. Review yourself and snatch up the best parts. And here's something to get your energy up. It might even stop your sniffles. Hal Amalgamated Writing Programs Announces Morally Repugnant Poets-and- Theorists Exhibit Publishing The Unpublishable Edited by Kenneth Goldsmith has just published Three Works an e-pamphlet the last of the three works is this one: Amalgamated Writing Programs Announces Morally Repugnant Poets-and-Theorists Exhibit by Mike Freakman New York, Dec. 22, 2007 ? Darien Credenza, the Executive Muckamuck of Amalgamated Writing Programs, announced that a Morally Repugnant Poets- and-Theorists Exhibit will be held at the organization's annual congress in New York. The exhibit is the first of what is planned as a series of didactic displays at Amalgamated?s popular annual gatherings. Credenza told AHP2 News that the exhibit would emphasize that Amalgamated was a nonpartisan service organization. ?Yes we have no ideology. We only have craft. That is why we need not only to repudiate literary theorists and cultural critics but also the poets who have been brainwashed by them into spouting their Un-Amalgamated dogma.? Credenza announced that the centerpiece of the exhibit would be a graphic display naming names of poets who engage in Un-Amalgamated activities such as criticizing the major poetry awards. Such a critical attitude, he said, reflects ??the demagoguery of a tone-deaf poetics; and, I feel, it?s morally repugnant.?? Moreover, he added, such poets ??ooze with condescension, unless you talk their kind of talk,?? noting these poets were not worthy of his condescension, only his condemnation. Credenza warned of the danger of MLA-card-carrying literary theorists and cultural critics infiltrating creative writing programs through the morally repugnant poets. ??Literary theorists and cultural critics are parasites with peculiar habits of breeding. ? They would tell you that accuracy in writing is a na?ve delusion. At the expense of storytellers and poets, theorists sustain a parasitic lifestyle.?? ??These theorists often subject poems to gruesome interrogations in order to reveal?not what the authors intended to say?but what the writers failed to say,?? Credenza complained. ??As if our poets were mere conduits through which capitalism, patriarchy, religion, and prejudices of all kinds exercise their power.?? ?It?s up to Amalgamated to determine what the correct meaning of approved works are,? Credenza said. ?Anything else would lead to anarchy. Good poems have no hidden agendas. Good poems are neither for or against capitalism, patriarchy, or religion unless they clearly state that they are in the first stanza of the poem and logically develop the thesis through a combination of lucid images and narrative development.? ??A few theorists and poets would have you believe that just raising such questions makes you an anti-intellectual meathead in complicity with the powers of postcolonial oppression. It?s an age-old game of partisan politics to pretend that your party has a monopoly on virtue,?? said Credenza. ?Only an organization such as Amalgamated Writing Programs, which is above the fray, and rejects demagoguery, has an authentic claim to virtue.? Prominently featured at the Degenerate Books exhibit will be works by ??Wittgenstein, Marx, Foucault, hooks, Fanon, Lacan, Spivak, Lyotard, Kristeva, Poulet, Butler, and Gertrude Stein.?? ?In Amalgamated workshops we discourage the discussion of ideas or philosophy or politics. That is the only way you preserve freedom of thought.? Credenza noted that Amalgamated creative writing classes focused on how to write cover letters for submissions to literary magazine and the perils of multiple submissions. ?My rule of thumb is that if a work of poetry challenges my understanding or beliefs, then it is morally repugnant,? explained Credenza. ?Poets should be like bees. They need to work in swarms. And Amalgamated is the mother bee. So watch out: those that buzz off are going to get stung. ?The queen?s seductions are multifarious and deadly ?far from chaste.?? ?The morally repugnant poets have turned away from the hive, seduced by the theorists and cultural critics into writing poems that I can?t understand,? Credenza said, explaining that their poems are ??misguided missiles of a self-immolating government intent upon eradicating the small minority of the general reading public with an avid interest in literature.?? Because of their refusal to write the Amalgamated Way, they are ??the greatest pretenders?? and ??hypocrites,?? he added. ??They have tortured our poor mother tongue. And perhaps their abuse has contributed to the decline of the English major and audiences for literature.?? ?That?s the reason for Amalgamated?s E-Z-Po initiative,? he said. ?E-Z- Po is designed to woo back disaffected readers with poems of ?simple representation and puritanical accuracy.?? The target audience, he said, is the vast public for reality TV and amateur pop singing competitions. ?Of course, Amalgamated Writing Programs welcome all views,? Credenza emphasized. ?But some views are more equal than others.? Editor?s Note: Double-quoted passages, and apiary imagery, are taken from ?Advice for Graduating MFA Students in Writing: The Words & the Bees? by D.W. 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It might > even stop your sniffles. > > Hal > > ------------------------------ > > Amalgamated Writing Programs Announces Morally Repugnant > Poets-and-Theorists Exhibit > > > * > *Publishing The Unpublishable > > Edited by Kenneth Goldsmith > > has just published > *Three Works * > an e-pamphlet > * > > the last of the three works is this one: > * > *Amalgamated Writing Programs Announces > Morally Repugnant Poets-and-Theorists Exhibit* > > *by Mike Freakman* > > New York, Dec. 22, 2007 ? Darien Credenza, the Executive Muckamuck of > Amalgamated Writing Programs, announced that a Morally Repugnant > Poets-and-Theorists Exhibit will be held at the organization's annual > congress in New York. The exhibit is the first of what is planned as a > series of didactic displays at Amalgamated's popular annual gatherings. > > Credenza told AHP2 News that the exhibit would emphasize that Amalgamated > was a nonpartisan service organization. "Yes we have no ideology. We only > have craft. That is why we need not only to repudiate literary theorists and > cultural critics but also the poets who have been brainwashed by them into > spouting their Un-Amalgamated dogma." > > Credenza announced that the centerpiece of the exhibit would be a graphic > display naming names of poets who engage in Un-Amalgamated activities such > as criticizing the major poetry awards. Such a critical attitude, he said, > reflects "'the demagoguery of a tone-deaf poetics; and, I feel, it's morally > repugnant.'" Moreover, he added, such poets "'ooze with condescension, > unless you talk their kind of talk,'" noting these poets were not worthy of > his condescension, only his condemnation. > > Credenza warned of the danger of MLA-card-carrying literary theorists and > cultural critics infiltrating creative writing programs through the morally > repugnant poets. "'Literary theorists and cultural critics are parasites > with peculiar habits of breeding. ? They would tell you that accuracy in > writing is a na?ve delusion. At the expense of storytellers and poets, > theorists sustain a parasitic lifestyle.'" > > "'These theorists often subject poems to gruesome interrogations in order > to reveal?not what the authors intended to say?but what the writers failed > to say,'" Credenza complained. "'As if our poets were mere conduits through > which capitalism, patriarchy, religion, and prejudices of all kinds exercise > their power.'" > > "It's up to Amalgamated to determine what the correct meaning of approved > works are," Credenza said. "Anything else would lead to anarchy. Good poems > have no hidden agendas. Good poems are neither for or against capitalism, > patriarchy, or religion unless they clearly state that they are in the first > stanza of the poem and logically develop the thesis through a combination of > lucid images and narrative development." > > "'A few theorists and poets would have you believe that just raising such > questions makes you an anti-intellectual meathead in complicity with the > powers of postcolonial oppression. It's an age-old game of partisan politics > to pretend that your party has a monopoly on virtue,'" said Credenza. "Only > an organization such as Amalgamated Writing Programs, which is above the > fray, and rejects demagoguery, has an authentic claim to virtue." > > Prominently featured at the Degenerate Books exhibit will be works by > "'Wittgenstein, Marx, Foucault, hooks, Fanon, Lacan, Spivak, Lyotard, > Kristeva, Poulet, Butler, and Gertrude Stein.'" > > "In Amalgamated workshops we discourage the discussion of ideas or > philosophy or politics. That is the only way you preserve freedom of > thought." Credenza noted that Amalgamated creative writing classes focused > on how to write cover letters for submissions to literary magazine and the > perils of multiple submissions. > > "My rule of thumb is that if a work of poetry challenges my understanding > or beliefs, then it is morally repugnant," explained Credenza. "Poets should > be like bees. They need to work in swarms. And Amalgamated is the mother > bee. So watch out: those that buzz off are going to get stung. 'The queen's > seductions are multifarious and deadly?far from chaste.'" > > "The morally repugnant poets have turned away from the hive, seduced by > the theorists and cultural critics into writing poems that I can't > understand," Credenza said, explaining that their poems are "'misguided > missiles of a self-immolating government intent upon eradicating the small > minority of the general reading public with an avid interest in > literature.'" > > Because of their refusal to write the Amalgamated Way, they are "'the > greatest pretenders'" and "'hypocrites,'" he added. "'They have tortured our > poor mother tongue. And perhaps their abuse has contributed to the decline > of the English major and audiences for literature.'" > > "That's the reason for Amalgamated's E-Z-Po initiative," he said. "E-Z-Po > is designed to woo back disaffected readers with poems of 'simple > representation and puritanical accuracy.'" The target audience, he said, is > the vast public for reality TV and amateur pop singing competitions. > > "Of course, Amalgamated Writing Programs welcome all views," Credenza > emphasized. > > "But some views are more equal than others." > > *Editor's Note: > Double-quoted passages, and apiary imagery, are taken from "Advice for > Graduating MFA Students in Writing: The Words & the Bees" by D.W. 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Rick -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: New Poetry Sent: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 1:53 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 3/23/2008 06:39:00 PM I got these pictures a week ago - last night it snowed quite low on the mountains around and it is?chilly today, just uploaded them on my blog, oh well, I think these pics are just for Easter! if you click on them they open up, ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: anny.ballardini at tin.it Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: [NarcissusWorks] 3/23/2008 06:39:00 PM -- Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 3/23/2008 06:39:00 PM _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 21:01:25 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:01:25 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Manual Handling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0803231801g46e00b0fo4f6bd3f05c122e84@mail.gmail.com> I don't get it... but if this is your thing I have filing cabinets full of this kind of found poetry, courtesy of various employers past and present :) c From me at johnathonwilliams.com Sun Mar 23 21:28:26 2008 From: me at johnathonwilliams.com (Johnathon Williams) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:28:26 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for submissions, first post Message-ID: <8BC877A9-B18A-4D85-B065-2E4FD13AD20B@johnathonwilliams.com> Hello all, I'm new to the list, so I hope this call for submissions is within bounds for a first post. Linebreak is a new online magazine that publishes one new poem per week. In addition to text, each poet?s work is read and recorded by another working poet selected by the editors. These recordings are made available on the site, and can also be downloaded as a weekly podcast. Recently featured poets include Bruce Bond, Bob Hicok, D.A. Powell, and Dorianne Laux. We welcome new and established poets, so feel free to forward this announcement to any poet ready to submit orginal, previously unpublished poetry. There are no submission deadlines. Our average response turn-around time is one month. Send your best 3-5 poems in the body of the email to submissions at linebreak.org. Include a short bio, and include your name and the word ?submission? in the subject line. We're also seeking readers to record each week's audio feature. If you're a published poet who is willing and able to create digital recordings, we'd love to hear from you. E-mail submissions at linebreak.org with the word "reader" in the subject line. Include a short bio with your publishing credits, and we'll get back to you. For more information, or to read what we've published so far, go here: http://linebreak.org We're a new site, and we're trying to do something a little different, so feedback is always welcome. :) Johnathon Williams Co-editor and webmaster Linebreak.org From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 24 04:33:27 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:33:27 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Manual Handling In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0803231801g46e00b0fo4f6bd3f05c122e84@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b1b9dab0803231801g46e00b0fo4f6bd3f05c122e84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E64DAED56545448F8280FFF1371A84@AnnyPC> No, it's James Davies'. Oh well, then, take out all that stuff and paste it together, definitely worth it. And yes, subliminally I kept on seeing my present boSSes, :), no exception for some bragging colleagues. From: "Chris Lott" Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:01 AM >I don't get it... but if this is your thing I have filing cabinets > full of this kind of found poetry, courtesy of various employers past > and present :) > > c From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu Mon Mar 24 12:30:22 2008 From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel ) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:30:22 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Forever Let Go References: Message-ID: <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED661D3180@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> Fellow poets, Could you please provide feedback on the poem below? What's working, and what's not. Does is sound interesting to you. Does it grab your attention? Is it a waste of your time? Thank you in advance. FOREVER LET ME GO Celebrate this surge of confidence, the roar of a lion that has not leapt for prey for far too long, impetus splintering the dome of despair. Now that I can declare you, wild drive, now that you have pegged your home neither old nor new, but familiar, Let me go. Give me wings to soar above the Kilimanjaro heights of ambition to look down and declare in turn the eruption of rivers, the swell of oceans as mountains dance to the clap of my wings. Give me the courage to traverse the paths Which you walked, long before I knew There would be voices rioting for my attention, Long before I dreamt about flight The clinching of trophies; long before I knew The sound of the victory chorus. ________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of Anny Ballardini Sent: Sun 3/23/2008 2:11 PM To: New Poetry Subject: [New-Poetry] Manual Handling I do not know if it will be the same for you, but I just kept on laughing inside: Mr. James Davies is interested in our safety. See how: http://www.beardofbees.com/davies.html Best, Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ________________________________ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I suggest keeping the first draft but futzing with it in a separate file and see what happens. JMO of course. Rick -----Original Message----- From: Sigauke, Emmanuel Sent: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:30 pm Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Forever Let Go Fellow poets, Could you please provide feedback on the poem below? What's working, and what's not. Does is sound interesting to you. Does it grab your attention? Is it a waste of your time? Thank you in advance. FOREVER LET ME GO Celebrate this surge of confidence, the roar of a lion that has not leapt for prey for far too long, impetus splintering the dome of despair. Now that I can declare you, wild drive, now that you have pegged your home neither old nor new, but familiar, Let me go. Give me wings to soar above the Kilimanjaro heights of ambition to look down and declare in turn the eruption of rivers, the swell of oceans as mountains dance to the clap of my wings. Give me the courage to traverse the paths Which you walked, long before I knew There would be voices rioting for my attention, Long before I dreamt about flight The clinching of trophies; long before I knew The sound of the victory chorus. ________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of Anny Ballardini Sent: Sun 3/23/2008 2:11 PM To: New Poetry Subject: [New-Poetry] Manual Handling I do not know if it will be the same for you, but I just kept on laughing inside: Mr. James Davies is interested in our safety. See how: http://www.beardofbees.com/davies.html Best, Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ________________________________ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 24 15:40:27 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:40:27 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Forever Let Go In-Reply-To: <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED661D3180@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> References: <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED661D3180@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> Message-ID: <4C351EE482BB4B309C206B58E55151DD@AnnyPC> Hi Emmanuel, what I think needs reworking is the following stanza: Give me wings to soar above the Kilimanjaro heights of ambition to look down and declare in turn the eruption of rivers, the swell of oceans as mountains dance to the clap of my wings. Words that I love, but I think they do not fit with the post and past and below and all that story. You might keep the same words and play with the form. Something like: Mountains dancing to the clap of wings Above Kilimanjaro heights _my ambition Down below: Eruption / swell of rivers / oceans Daring / soaring With the wings you gave me it is very powerful. I like your writings, take care, Anny From: "Sigauke, Emmanuel " Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 5:30 PM Fellow poets, Could you please provide feedback on the poem below? What's working, and what's not. Does is sound interesting to you. Does it grab your attention? Is it a waste of your time? Thank you in advance. FOREVER LET ME GO Celebrate this surge of confidence, the roar of a lion that has not leapt for prey for far too long, impetus splintering the dome of despair. Now that I can declare you, wild drive, now that you have pegged your home neither old nor new, but familiar, Let me go. Give me wings to soar above the Kilimanjaro heights of ambition to look down and declare in turn the eruption of rivers, the swell of oceans as mountains dance to the clap of my wings. Give me the courage to traverse the paths Which you walked, long before I knew There would be voices rioting for my attention, Long before I dreamt about flight The clinching of trophies; long before I knew The sound of the victory chorus. ________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of Anny Ballardini Sent: Sun 3/23/2008 2:11 PM To: New Poetry Subject: [New-Poetry] Manual Handling I do not know if it will be the same for you, but I just kept on laughing inside: Mr. James Davies is interested in our safety. See how: http://www.beardofbees.com/davies.html Best, Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ________________________________ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Mar 24 15:49:31 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:49:31 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Obscurity Now In-Reply-To: <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED661D3180@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> References: <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED661D3180@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> Message-ID: <47E805CB.40308@opus40.org> Obscurity Now Published over a half century ago, Randall Jarrell?s /Poetry and the Age/ remains vital. Essay by John Freeman excerpt: It was therefore with a funny sense of d?j? vu that when the National Book Critics Circle began calling on its members to recommend five books of criticism to the readers of its Critical Mass blog (www.bookcritics circle?.blogspot.com), one that popped up time and again?amid thickets of collections by George Orwell, Edmund Wilson, and Virginia Woolf?was a title intimately acquainted with such issues of readership: Randall Jarrell?s /Poetry and the Age/. Published in 1953, during what many consider to have been the golden age of criticism, a time when statistics also said reading was on the wane, /Poetry and the Age/ is a complicated hybrid: It is a strong and sensible argument against the primary role that criticism had begun to play in literary quarterlies. It is also a shining example of how engaged and freshly written criticism can shape what we read. Jarrell?s essays on Robert Frost, for one, were enormously helpful in refocusing our attention on his poetry rather than his persona. -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Mar 24 16:03:50 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:03:50 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Forever Let Go In-Reply-To: <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED661D3180@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> References: <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED661D3180@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> Message-ID: <47E80926.7060506@opus40.org> There are just a couple of things I'd cut. "neither old nor new, but familiar" -- if it's familiar, and neither old nor new, maybe you don't need to say that. A wild drive that's pegged is strong enough, gets your message across. "Heights of ambition" is a bit of a cliche, and not needed -- the flight above Kilimanjaro has its own resonance. Maybe not "soar" either -- "wings" and "soar" fit together a little too easily, and it's not a word often used in any other phrase. And the clinching of trophies to me is so much stronger than the dream of flight -- you don't need the dream, you have the actuality. It's always easy to tell people to cut things out of a poem, so much so that lately I've become hesitant about doing it. But so often as poets we're afraid that we mght not have gotten our point across, and if we just say a little more... Sigauke, Emmanuel wrote: > Fellow poets, > > > > > Could you please provide feedback on the poem below? What's working, and what's not. Does is sound interesting to you. Does it grab your attention? Is it a waste of your time? > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > > > FOREVER LET ME GO > > > > > > Celebrate this surge of confidence, > > > the roar of a lion > > > that has not leapt for prey > > > for far too long, impetus > > > splintering the dome of despair. > > Now that I can declare you, wild drive, > now that you have pegged your home > neither old nor new, but familiar, > Let me go. > > > > Give me wings to soar > > above the Kilimanjaro heights of ambition > to look down and declare in turn > > the eruption of rivers, the swell of oceans > > as mountains dance to the clap of my wings. > > > > Give me the courage to traverse the paths > > Which you walked, long before I knew > > There would be voices rioting for my attention, > > Long before I dreamt about flight > > The clinching of trophies; long before I knew > > The sound of the victory chorus. > > > ________________________________ > > From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of Anny Ballardini > Sent: Sun 3/23/2008 2:11 PM > To: New Poetry > Subject: [New-Poetry] Manual Handling > > > I do not know if it will be the same for you, but I just kept on laughing inside: > > Mr. James Davies is interested in our safety. > > See how: > > http://www.beardofbees.com/davies.html > > Best, > > > Eric Elshtain > Editor > Beard of Bees Press > http://www.beardofbees.com > > ________________________________ > > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Mar 24 16:52:49 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:52:49 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Forever Let Go In-Reply-To: <47E80926.7060506@opus40.org> References: <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED661D3180@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> <47E80926.7060506@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8F6B0A2E-6783-4958-B45B-2A6BC12AA746@earthlink.net> What's a poet doing trying to get a point across? Hal "There is a single tree in Vard?, a rowan which the residents protect each winter by building a house around it." Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Mar 24, 2008, at 4:03 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > There are just a couple of things I'd cut. > > "neither old nor new, but familiar" -- if it's familiar, and neither > old nor new, maybe you don't need to say that. A wild drive that's > pegged is strong enough, gets your message across. > > > "Heights of ambition" is a bit of a cliche, and not needed -- the > flight above Kilimanjaro has its own resonance. Maybe not "soar" > either -- "wings" and "soar" fit together a little too easily, and > it's not a word often used in any other phrase. > > And the clinching of trophies to me is so much stronger than the > dream of flight -- you don't need the dream, you have the actuality. > > > It's always easy to tell people to cut things out of a poem, so much > so that lately I've become hesitant about doing it. But so often as > poets we're afraid that we mght not have gotten our point across, > and if we just say a little more... > > > Sigauke, Emmanuel wrote: >> Fellow poets, >> >> >> Could you please provide feedback on the poem below? What's >> working, and what's not. Does is sound interesting to you. Does it >> grab your attention? Is it a waste of your time? >> >> Thank you in advance. >> >> >> >> FOREVER LET ME GO > > >> >> >> >> Celebrate this surge of confidence, >> >> >> the roar of a lion >> >> >> that has not leapt for prey >> >> >> for far too long, impetus >> >> splintering the dome of despair. >> Now that I can declare you, wild drive, >> now that you have pegged your home neither old nor new, but >> familiar, Let me go. >> >> >> Give me wings to soar >> >> above the Kilimanjaro heights of ambition >> to look down and declare in turn >> >> the eruption of rivers, the swell of oceans >> >> as mountains dance to the clap of my wings. >> >> Give me the courage to traverse the paths >> >> Which you walked, long before I knew >> >> There would be voices rioting for my attention, >> Long before I dreamt about flight >> >> The clinching of trophies; long before I knew >> >> The sound of the victory chorus. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of Anny Ballardini >> Sent: Sun 3/23/2008 2:11 PM >> To: New Poetry >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Manual Handling >> >> >> I do not know if it will be the same for you, but I just kept on >> laughing inside: >> Mr. James Davies is interested in our safety. >> >> See how: >> >> http://www.beardofbees.com/davies.html > > >> Best, >> >> >> Eric Elshtain >> Editor >> Beard of Bees Press >> http://www.beardofbees.com >> ________________________________ >> >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a >> dancing star! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu Mon Mar 24 21:05:25 2008 From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel ) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:05:25 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Forever Let Go In-Reply-To: <47E80926.7060506@opus40.org> References: <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED661D3180@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> <47E80926.7060506@opus40.org> Message-ID: <31F3BD8702DDAD4DAFEAB5245EAAED66151523@CRC-EXCH01.crc.ad.losrios.edu> Thank you for the suggestions. I like how you saw things I had missed over and over again. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of TheOldMole Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:04 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Forever Let Go There are just a couple of things I'd cut. "neither old nor new, but familiar" -- if it's familiar, and neither old nor new, maybe you don't need to say that. A wild drive that's pegged is strong enough, gets your message across. "Heights of ambition" is a bit of a cliche, and not needed -- the flight above Kilimanjaro has its own resonance. Maybe not "soar" either -- "wings" and "soar" fit together a little too easily, and it's not a word often used in any other phrase. And the clinching of trophies to me is so much stronger than the dream of flight -- you don't need the dream, you have the actuality. It's always easy to tell people to cut things out of a poem, so much so that lately I've become hesitant about doing it. But so often as poets we're afraid that we mght not have gotten our point across, and if we just say a little more... Sigauke, Emmanuel wrote: > Fellow poets, > > > > > Could you please provide feedback on the poem below? What's working, and what's not. Does is sound interesting to you. Does it grab your attention? Is it a waste of your time? > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > > > FOREVER LET ME GO > > > > > > Celebrate this surge of confidence, > > > the roar of a lion > > > that has not leapt for prey > > > for far too long, impetus > > > splintering the dome of despair. > > Now that I can declare you, wild drive, > now that you have pegged your home > neither old nor new, but familiar, > Let me go. > > > > Give me wings to soar > > above the Kilimanjaro heights of ambition > to look down and declare in turn > > the eruption of rivers, the swell of oceans > > as mountains dance to the clap of my wings. > > > > Give me the courage to traverse the paths > > Which you walked, long before I knew > > There would be voices rioting for my attention, > > Long before I dreamt about flight > > The clinching of trophies; long before I knew > > The sound of the victory chorus. > > > ________________________________ > > From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of Anny Ballardini > Sent: Sun 3/23/2008 2:11 PM > To: New Poetry > Subject: [New-Poetry] Manual Handling > > > I do not know if it will be the same for you, but I just kept on laughing inside: > > Mr. James Davies is interested in our safety. > > See how: > > http://www.beardofbees.com/davies.html > > Best, > > > Eric Elshtain > Editor > Beard of Bees Press > http://www.beardofbees.com > > ________________________________ > > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Mar 25 07:03:16 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:03:16 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] a question Message-ID: I know many of you can answer: how old is a college-sophomore? 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URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Mar 26 11:49:14 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:49:14 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem in Your Pocket Day Message-ID: <47EA707A.8070504@opus40.org> What's the story? -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Mar 26 11:53:22 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:53:22 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions Message-ID: <47EA7172.6050909@opus40.org> Just got a rejection note from Crazyhorse, which was odd since I haven't submitted anything to them in a couple of years, but that's not what I'm writing about. Also on the note was the information that they are going toward an all-email policy for submissions. From their website: Please consider submitting your manuscript online rather than mailing it. Submitting a manuscript online eliminates paper and postage costs, logs the receipt of your manuscript automatically, and allows you to withdraw or replace a manuscript as you wish. Why aren't more magazines doing this, and doing it for those exact reasons? -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From millb at aol.com Wed Mar 26 12:09:00 2008 From: millb at aol.com (millb at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:09:00 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions In-Reply-To: <47EA7172.6050909@opus40.org> References: <47EA7172.6050909@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CA5D72D5E7BEB1-8A0-4E89@webmail-nd04.sysops.aol.com> I think, that a lot of magazines fear they will be overwhelmed by submissions if they switch to online.? Also, my guess is that, even with online submissions, editors will STILL print out and distribute the work via hard copy paper, so,?the burden is with the editors or student assistants to print out submissions for round table discussion.? At least these are the concerns I have heard about. Mill -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 8:53 am Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions Just got a rejection note from Crazyhorse, which was odd since I haven't submitted anything to them in a couple of years, but that's not what I'm writing about. Also on the note was the information that they are going toward an all-email policy for submissions.? ? >From their website:? ? Please consider submitting your manuscript online rather than mailing it. Submitting a manuscript online eliminates paper and postage costs, logs the receipt of your manuscript automatically, and allows you to withdraw or replace a manuscript as you wish.? ? Why aren't more magazines doing this, and doing it for those exact reasons?? ? -- Tad Richards? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? The moral is this: in American verse,? The better you are, the pay is worse.? ?--Corey Ford? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 14:46:23 2008 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:46:23 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions In-Reply-To: <8CA5D72D5E7BEB1-8A0-4E89@webmail-nd04.sysops.aol.com> References: <47EA7172.6050909@opus40.org> <8CA5D72D5E7BEB1-8A0-4E89@webmail-nd04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0803261146g12dbdab6o2c27dccd12498c19@mail.gmail.com> Any editors on the list wish to comment on this? Jeff On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM, wrote: > I think, that a lot of magazines fear they will be overwhelmed by > submissions if they switch to online. Also, my guess is that, even with > online submissions, editors will STILL print out and distribute the work via > hard copy paper, so, the burden is with the editors or student assistants to > print out submissions for round table discussion. At least these are the > concerns I have heard about. > > Mill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 8:53 am > Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions > > Just got a rejection note from Crazyhorse, which was odd since I haven't > submitted anything to them in a couple of years, but that's not what I'm > writing about. Also on the note was the information that they are going > toward an all-email policy for submissions. > > >From their website: > > Please consider submitting your manuscript online rather than mailing it. > Submitting a manuscript online eliminates paper and postage costs, logs the > receipt of your manuscript automatically, and allows you to withdraw or > replace a manuscript as you wish. > > Why aren't more magazines doing this, and doing it for those exact > reasons? > > -- Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ------------------------------ > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." ?William Faulkner, Light in August http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <8D892D931EB240189187CE4D19F15A19@AnnyPC> My first step on Jacket! http://jacketmagazine.com/35/r-tabios-rb-ballardini.shtml enjoy, :-) Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 15:43:39 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:43:39 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0803261146g12dbdab6o2c27dccd12498c19@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EA7172.6050909@opus40.org> <8CA5D72D5E7BEB1-8A0-4E89@webmail-nd04.sysops.aol.com> <731bb17a0803261146g12dbdab6o2c27dccd12498c19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60803261243g3de6e07aq80dd60c0cc9e7703@mail.gmail.com> It's a no-brainer. The words weigh as much on screen as on paper. - Jim, obviously biased On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Any editors on the list wish to comment on this? > > Jeff > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM, wrote: > > > I think, that a lot of magazines fear they will be overwhelmed by > > submissions if they switch to online. Also, my guess is that, even with > > online submissions, editors will STILL print out and distribute the work via > > hard copy paper, so, the burden is with the editors or student assistants to > > print out submissions for round table discussion. At least these are the > > concerns I have heard about. > > > > Mill > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TheOldMole > > Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 8:53 am > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions > > > > Just got a rejection note from Crazyhorse, which was odd since I haven't > > submitted anything to them in a couple of years, but that's not what I'm > > writing about. Also on the note was the information that they are going > > toward an all-email policy for submissions. > > > > >From their website: > > > > Please consider submitting your manuscript online rather than mailing > > it. Submitting a manuscript online eliminates paper and postage costs, logs > > the receipt of your manuscript automatically, and allows you to withdraw or > > replace a manuscript as you wish. > > > > Why aren't more magazines doing this, and doing it for those exact > > reasons? > > > > -- Tad Richards > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > The moral is this: in American verse, > > The better you are, the pay is worse. > > --Corey Ford > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides > > . > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than > recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." > ?William Faulkner, Light in August > > > http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Mar 26 15:53:40 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:53:40 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Online anthology In-Reply-To: <77A96E57-6EAB-492F-BAC9-DD01EBC22C29@ripon.edu> References: <77A96E57-6EAB-492F-BAC9-DD01EBC22C29@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Thank You, David! A great and useful site, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Online anthology I just ran across a very intriguing online poetry anthology that might be of interest, particularly to secondary school teachers. It's *In the Heydays of His Eyes: An Anthology of Poetry about Being Young and Growing Up*. http://www.heydays.ws/?where=home Some really fine poems and poets are included. Free! ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Mar 26 15:57:52 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:57:52 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69FBF7BD9FF242C782D9C6F0DAA97C4B@AnnyPC> Ah you wouldn't if you lived in Italy, after a while it becomes something like panic. You receive things after months and months and m o n t h s From: AlMaginnes at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:06 PM It seems like more and more of them are. I understand why, but it kind of takes the fun out of waiting on the mailman every day. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Mar 26 16:33:19 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:33:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Italian mail In-Reply-To: <69FBF7BD9FF242C782D9C6F0DAA97C4B@AnnyPC> References: <69FBF7BD9FF242C782D9C6F0DAA97C4B@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <43D4BB67-1773-4CC9-984A-E89BA1ADB19F@ripon.edu> Maratea Porto: The Dear Postmistress There I run up the stairs too fast every morning and panting for mail, I stagger inside and there she sits wagging a negative finger. Her frown is etched in and her mouth is sour. Niente per voi, today. This is Odysseus. I've come a long way. I've beaten a giant, real mean with one eye. Even the sea. I've defeated the water. But now, I'm home, pooped. Where's Penelope? Niente per voi, today. My name is Joseph and this, my wife Mary. we've had a long journey and Mary is heavy. The facts are odd. The child could be holy and I wonder, have you a room in your inn? Niente per voi, today. I'm Genghis Khan and this is my army. We've conquered your land. Now we want women. Bring them today at high noon to the square. After we've had them, we'll get out of here. Niente per voi, today. I'm Michelangelo, here to make statues. I've lugged this damn marble all the way from the Alps. I'll need a large scaffold and plenty of ropes, a chisel, a mallet and oodles of wine. Niente per voi, today. Oh, heroes of time, you're never a hero until you've endured ten days with no mail. Slaughter the stars and come home in splendor. She'll always be there at the end of the trail. Niente per voi, today. --Richard Hugo. Good Luck in Cracked Italian. World Publishing Company, 1969. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Ah you wouldn't if you lived in Italy, after a while it becomes > something like panic. You receive things after months > and months > and > m > o > n > > t > h > > s -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Mar 26 16:58:22 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:58:22 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Italian mail In-Reply-To: <43D4BB67-1773-4CC9-984A-E89BA1ADB19F@ripon.edu> References: <69FBF7BD9FF242C782D9C6F0DAA97C4B@AnnyPC> <43D4BB67-1773-4CC9-984A-E89BA1ADB19F@ripon.edu> Message-ID: I am not the only one, then! I wanted to send in this poem found on They Heydays of His Eyes: M. DEGAS TEACHES ART & SCIENCE AT DURFEE INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL Detroit, 1942 Philip Levine He made a line on the blackboard, one bold stroke from right to left diagonally downward, and stood back to ask, looking as always at no one in particular, "What have I done?" >From the back of the room Freddie shouted, "You've broken a piece of chalk." M. Degas did not smile. "What have I done?" he repeated. The most intellectual students looked down to study their desks, except for Gertrude Bimmler, who raised her hand before she spoke. "M. Degas, you have created the hypotenuse of an isosceles triangle." Degas mused. Everyone knew that Gertrude could not be incorrect. "It is possible," Louis Warshowsky added precisely, "that you have begun to represent the roof of a barn." I remember that it was exactly twenty minutes past eleven, and I thought at worst this would go on another forty minutes. It was early April, the snow had all but melted on the playgrounds, the elms and maples bordering the cracked walks shivered in the new winds, and I believed that before I knew it I'd be swaggering to the candy store for a Milky Way. M. Degas pursed his lips, and the room stilled until the long hand of the clock moved to twenty-one, as though in complicity with Gertrude, who added confidently, "You've begun to separate the dark from the dark." I looked back for help, but now the trees bucked and quaked, and I knew this could go on forever. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Italian mail Maratea Porto: The Dear Postmistress There I run up the stairs too fast every morning and panting for mail, I stagger inside and there she sits wagging a negative finger. Her frown is etched in and her mouth is sour. Niente per voi, today. This is Odysseus. I've come a long way. I've beaten a giant, real mean with one eye. Even the sea. I've defeated the water. But now, I'm home, pooped. Where's Penelope? Niente per voi, today. My name is Joseph and this, my wife Mary. we've had a long journey and Mary is heavy. The facts are odd. The child could be holy and I wonder, have you a room in your inn? Niente per voi, today. I'm Genghis Khan and this is my army. We've conquered your land. Now we want women. Bring them today at high noon to the square. After we've had them, we'll get out of here. Niente per voi, today. I'm Michelangelo, here to make statues. I've lugged this damn marble all the way from the Alps. I'll need a large scaffold and plenty of ropes, a chisel, a mallet and oodles of wine. Niente per voi, today. Oh, heroes of time, you're never a hero until you've endured ten days with no mail. Slaughter the stars and come home in splendor. She'll always be there at the end of the trail. Niente per voi, today. --Richard Hugo. Good Luck in Cracked Italian. World Publishing Company, 1969. ======================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: Ah you wouldn't if you lived in Italy, after a while it becomes something like panic. You receive things after months and months and m o n t h s ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mar 26, 2008, at 8:49 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > What's the story? > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From amyhappens at yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 23:23:51 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] ToooooT! Message-ID: <583689.81493.qm@web83308.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Congrats, Anny! And of course lucky for Eileen! _______ Blog http://amyking.wordpress.com Faculty Page http://faculty2.ncc.edu/kinga ----- Original Message ---- From: Anny Ballardini To: New Poetry Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:31:51 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] ToooooT! My first step on Jacket! http://jacketmagazine.com/35/r-tabios-rb-ballardini.shtml enjoy, :-) Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 23:37:51 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions Message-ID: <610247.21135.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Open electronic submissions can be debilitating, if one is not careful. MiPOesias allowed these for awhile; I became overwhelmed. I had to get assistants, and what began as a labor of love became a labor. I found that many people did not read the magazine before submitting. I rec'd a range that included poetry I wouldn't look at cross-eyed, even some cowboy poetry. If many of the submitters had read even two or three poets I was publishing at the time of open submissions, it would have likely cut my submissions in half. I can't really compare the volume with what a print editor receives (and I'm sure their volume depends on each journal's recognition), but I believe a good number of poets simply search online for poetry magazines accepting submissions online or by email, enter the site through the submissions page, and send their work in without ever dipping into the site itself. I know that 9th Letter has just switched over, but I also believe they must have loads of interns from the college reading the submissions. I submitted one week and rec'd a rejection within days -- that's some quick turnover for a major journal with online submissions. I have read 9th Letter, but I wonder now how many submissions they receive by poets who have never laid eyes on the work they publish in print. As for the printing out bit, I did sometimes, but mostly to re-read the work I was considering for acceptance. It's easier to read through subs while online and send the rejections out directly since the email addresses are already available. I'm not sure if that means I spent less time with subs than a print editor though. Amy _______ Blog http://amyking.wordpress.com Faculty Page http://faculty2.ncc.edu/kinga ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Newberry To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 2:46:23 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions Any editors on the list wish to comment on this? Jeff On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM, wrote: I think, that a lot of magazines fear they will be overwhelmed by submissions if they switch to online. Also, my guess is that, even with online submissions, editors will STILL print out and distribute the work via hard copy paper, so, the burden is with the editors or student assistants to print out submissions for round table discussion. At least these are the concerns I have heard about. Mill -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 8:53 am Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions Just got a rejection note from Crazyhorse, which was odd since I haven't submitted anything to them in a couple of years, but that's not what I'm writing about. Also on the note was the information that they are going toward an all-email policy for submissions. >From their website: Please consider submitting your manuscript online rather than mailing it. Submitting a manuscript online eliminates paper and postage costs, logs the receipt of your manuscript automatically, and allows you to withdraw or replace a manuscript as you wish. Why aren't more magazines doing this, and doing it for those exact reasons? -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. 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From: amy king Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:23 AM Congrats, Anny! And of course lucky for Eileen! _______ Blog http://amyking.wordpress.com Faculty Page http://faculty2.ncc.edu/kinga ----- Original Message ---- From: Anny Ballardini To: New Poetry Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:31:51 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] ToooooT! My first step on Jacket! http://jacketmagazine.com/35/r-tabios-rb-ballardini.shtml enjoy, :-) Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Mar 27 03:24:03 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:24:03 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem in Your Pocket Day In-Reply-To: <0B6264D1-1589-493F-B2E0-A0DB436C36A2@myuw.net> References: <47EA707A.8070504@opus40.org> <0B6264D1-1589-493F-B2E0-A0DB436C36A2@myuw.net> Message-ID: Very much like Jason. From: "Jason Quackenbush" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:58 AM >I have a strict policy of not submitting to anywhere that doesn't > accept electronic submissions. the reasons for this are fourfold: > 1.) I don't like buying stamps > 2.) It saves paper and ink > 3.) Electronic rejection stings less, and electronic acceptance is > just as sweet > 4.) keeping track of mailed submissions is a pain and I'm lazy. > > On Mar 26, 2008, at 8:49 AM, TheOldMole wrote: >> What's the story? >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> The moral is this: in American verse, >> The better you are, the pay is worse. >> --Corey Ford From jfq at myuw.net Thu Mar 27 04:42:16 2008 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:42:16 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem in Your Pocket Day In-Reply-To: References: <47EA707A.8070504@opus40.org> <0B6264D1-1589-493F-B2E0-A0DB436C36A2@myuw.net> Message-ID: <2D29CA2E-A31C-4EBA-9A82-23655BB33652@myuw.net> wow, i totally meant for that to be a response on the other thread. i'm obviously email challenged. On Mar 27, 2008, at 12:24 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Very much like Jason. > > From: "Jason Quackenbush" > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:58 AM > > >> I have a strict policy of not submitting to anywhere that doesn't >> accept electronic submissions. the reasons for this are fourfold: >> 1.) I don't like buying stamps >> 2.) It saves paper and ink >> 3.) Electronic rejection stings less, and electronic acceptance >> is just as sweet >> 4.) keeping track of mailed submissions is a pain and I'm lazy. >> On Mar 26, 2008, at 8:49 AM, TheOldMole wrote: >>> What's the story? >>> >>> -- >>> Tad Richards >>> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >>> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> The moral is this: in American verse, >>> The better you are, the pay is worse. >>> --Corey Ford > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Mar 27 07:58:33 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:58:33 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem in Your Pocket Day In-Reply-To: <2D29CA2E-A31C-4EBA-9A82-23655BB33652@myuw.net> References: <47EA707A.8070504@opus40.org><0B6264D1-1589-493F-B2E0-A0DB436C36A2@myuw.net> <2D29CA2E-A31C-4EBA-9A82-23655BB33652@myuw.net> Message-ID: Opps sorry Jason, I meant that I agree on each one of your points and that I react in the same way you do. I have been following the thread. And I understand Amy's point, that is mainly why I invite people to the Corner. It was Rebecca Seiferle (editor of The Drunken Boat) who advised me not to open the frontiers to anybody if I did not want to be buried under mails. From: "Jason Quackenbush" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:42 AM > wow, i totally meant for that to be a response on the other thread. i'm > obviously email challenged. > > On Mar 27, 2008, at 12:24 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> Very much like Jason. >> >> From: "Jason Quackenbush" >> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:58 AM >> >> >>> I have a strict policy of not submitting to anywhere that doesn't >>> accept electronic submissions. the reasons for this are fourfold: >>> 1.) I don't like buying stamps >>> 2.) It saves paper and ink >>> 3.) Electronic rejection stings less, and electronic acceptance is >>> just as sweet >>> 4.) keeping track of mailed submissions is a pain and I'm lazy. >>> On Mar 26, 2008, at 8:49 AM, TheOldMole wrote: >>>> What's the story? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tad Richards >>>> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >>>> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> The moral is this: in American verse, >>>> The better you are, the pay is worse. >>>> --Corey Ford From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 27 13:58:39 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:58:39 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions In-Reply-To: <610247.21135.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <610247.21135.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86B3E721-68D4-463C-97F1-122D6DB2162A@earthlink.net> Hamilton Stone Review accepts submissions no other way, at least on the poetry side. Hal "I enjoyed talking to you. My mind needed a rest." --Henny Youngman Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 27 15:21:50 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:21:50 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Gadzooks! Message-ID: Lynda and I got back to the Yapple just in time to go up to Lincoln Center on Apr. 1 to hear Meryl Streep, Katie Couric, and (!) Candace Bushnell (among others) read their favorite poems. Hey, it's either April Fool's Day, or National Poetry Month is bearing down on us once again. Hal "If there is anyone here I have not offended, I apologize." --Johannes Brahms Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html Begin forwarded message: > From: "Lincoln Center" > Date: March 27, 2008 12:39:46 PM GMT-04:00 > To: "Halvard Johnson" > Subject: Poetry & The Creative Mind > Reply-To: > > > > Meryl Streep, Katie Couric, and more read their favorite poems > > > Come to Avery Fisher Hall on Tuesday, April 1, for an extraordinary > evening of poetry readings by some of today's leading artists, > scholars, and public figures, when the Academy of American Poets > presents its sixth-annual gala event, Poetry & The Creative Mind. > > See Candace Bushnell, Robert Caro, Graydon Carter, Katie Couric, > Philippe de Montebello, Jonathan Demme, John Guare, Yusef > Komunyakaa, Dianne Reeves, Liz Smith, and Meryl Streep read their > favorite works. > > Event Details & Ticketing > > > Search Calendar > Find an event at Lincoln Center > > Map of Lincoln Center > Venue locations & information > > Directions > By car, subway & bus > > Reserve Parking > > Dining in the Neighborhood > > Accessibility > Programs and Services for People with Disabilities > > Gift Certificates > The perfect gift-anytime! > > Group Sales > Let us help plan your group trip to Lincoln Center > > Student Discounts > > Transforming Lincoln Center > Construction News > > News & Updates > This email was sent at your request by Lincoln Center. 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Dozens of people were there to complain about the list price of a book of poems: Harcourt was charging $17.50 for On Bear's Head, a 406-page collection of poems by one of the original Beat poets, Philip Whalen. The book's price was outrageous--$102.81 in 2008 dollars ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 18:17:26 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] TOMORROW NIGHT Message-ID: <318748.45628.qm@web83310.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MiPOesias presents ~~ MULLEN, VOLPERT, & POE ~~ Friday, March 28th @ 7 p.m. Stain Bar ? Williamsburg , Brooklyn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LAURA MULLEN is a Professor at Louisiana State University . She is theauthor of five books: three collections of poetry and two hybrid texts. Hermost recent book is the hybrid text murder mystery, Murmur (futurepoem2007). Prizes for her poetry include Ironwood's Stanford Prize, and she hasbeen awarded a National Endowment for the Arts Fellowship and a Rona JaffeAward, among other honors. Recent poems have appeared or are forthcoming in Octopus,1913, New American Writing, the Denver Quarterly, and elsewhere. Recent prose has been collected in Civil Disobediences: Poetics & Politics in Action (Coffeehouse Press), and Paraspheres(Omnidawn). An essay on Sylvia Plath appears in the Spring 2008 issue of Court Green. [http://www.mipoesias.com/2007/mullen_laura.htm] MEGAN A. VOLPERT is a performance poet from Chicago who has settled in Atlanta with her partner, Mindy. Volpert holds an MFA in Creative Writing from Louisiana State University ,and currently teaches High School English. the desense of nonfense is her second full-length book of poems,forthcoming from BlazeVOX Books in 2009. She published two collections in 2007:face blindness also with BlazeVOX and domestic transmission, achapbook with MetroMania Press. Her other publications credits include columbia poetry review, coconut and MiPOesias Magazine. This self-proclaimed love child of Joan Jett and Tina Fey has sharedmicrophones with a wide range of poets: from Christian B?k, Andrei Codrescu,and Alice Notley, to Laura Mullen, Collin Kelley and Buddy Wakefield. Volperthas been in competition at the National Poetry Slam, and is a board member ofPoetry Atlanta Inc. Rooted in confessionalism and surrealism, her work has a strong interest in theperformative and is also influenced by second-generation New York School poetry. [http://cdn4.libsyn.com/miporadio/MeganVolpert1.pdf] DEBORAH POE is the author of Our Parenthetical Ontology (CustomWords 2008)as well as chapbooks from Furniture_Press and Stockport Flats Press. Deborah's poems have appeared in Denver Quarterly, Copper Nickel, ManyMountains Moving, Drunken Boat, MiPOesias, Caesura, and other journals aswell as in the anthologies Fingernails Across the Chalkboard: Poetry and Prose on HIV/AIDS From the Black Diaspora and A Sing Economy. Two of herpoems were nominated for Pushcart Prizes in 2005 and 2006. Deborah's current projects include finding a publisher for Elements?herpoetry collection based on the periodic table?and completing a short fictioncollection entitled Event Landmarks. Deborah was born a military brat in Del Rio , Texas and has lived throughout the United States and abroad. After her undergraduate studies, she worked for almost ten years inbusinesses including hostel clerk and bartender in Paris, environmentalactivist in Austin, a waitress in Taos, engineering assistant at Oregon SteelMill in Portland, editor and international program manager in Seattle, andeducator in Washington state and New York. Deborah Poe currently teaches at Binghamton University where she will receive herdoctoral degree in May 2008. Her Master of Arts is from Western Washington University . [http://www.mipoesias.com/2007/poe_deborah.htm] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ STAIN BAR 766 Grand Street Brooklyn , NY 11211 (L train to Grand Street Stop, walk 1 block west) 718/387-7840 http://www.stainbar.com/ Hope you'll stop by! Amy King http://miporeadingseries2007.blogspot.com/ _______ Blog http://amyking.wordpress.com Faculty Page http://faculty2.ncc.edu/kinga ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From cstroffo at earthlink.net Thu Mar 27 19:05:34 2008 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:05:34 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine In-Reply-To: <47EC3589.5040109@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CA5E678FDA173C-910-BA6@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <47EC3589.5040109@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: yes On Mar 27, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > I couldn't keep the latest news to myself: Poetry, having opened > their temple to language poetry in a substantial way, is now going > to do the same for . . . visual poetry. I may even get a poem into > it, however hard it may be for me to justify participation. > Actually, it's not hard: I believe making my work available to as > many who may appreciate it as possible is more important than > making some literary-political point hardly anyone will know I've > made. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From chris.lott at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 19:13:33 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:13:33 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine In-Reply-To: <47EC3589.5040109@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CA5E678FDA173C-910-BA6@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <47EC3589.5040109@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0803271613s36d3b6f8q44bf7fa5bc7dbccc@mail.gmail.com> Bob -- Given our exchange a few weeks ago I hope that I see you in the pages of _Poetry_ (which I think is much improved over the last year or so)... it may not quite be a "big publication from a mainstream press" but it's getting close. c -- Chris Lott From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Thu Mar 27 19:45:43 2008 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:45:43 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/2008 6:01:27 PM Central Daylight Time, bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net writes: > > > I couldn't keep the latest news to myself: Poetry, having opened their > temple to language poetry in a substantial way, is now going to do the > same for . . . visual poetry. I may even get a poem into it, however > hard it may be for me to justify participation. Actually, it's not > hard: I believe making my work available to as many who may appreciate > it as possible is more important than making some literary-political > point hardly anyone will know I've made. This is great news. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Thu Mar 27 20:13:18 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:13:18 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine In-Reply-To: <47EC3589.5040109@nut-n-but.net> References: <8CA5E678FDA173C-910-BA6@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <47EC3589.5040109@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <8CA5E7FA894B257-EEC-220A@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> Dr. Peter Venkman: This magazine is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions. Editor: What do you mean, "biblical"? Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Editor, real wrath of God type stuff. Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly. Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave! Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 8:02 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine I couldn't keep the latest news to myself: Poetry, having opened their temple to language poetry in a substantial way, is now going to do the same for . . . visual poetry. I may even get a poem into it, however hard it may be for me to justify participation. Actually, it's not hard: I believe making my work available to as many who may appreciate it as possible is more important than making some literary-political point hardly anyone will know I've made.? ? --Bob G.? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Should give it a boost. --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Mar 27 22:58:40 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:58:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47EC5EE0.7070900@nut-n-but.net> Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/27/2008 6:01:27 PM Central Daylight Time, > bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net writes: >> >> >> I couldn't keep the latest news to myself: Poetry, having opened their >> temple to language poetry in a substantial way, is now going to do the >> same for . . . visual poetry. I may even get a poem into it, however >> hard it may be for me to justify participation. Actually, it's not >> hard: I believe making my work available to as many who may appreciate >> it as possible is more important than making some literary-political >> point hardly anyone will know I've made. > > > This is great news. > > Thanks, Sam. 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Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Editor, real wrath of God type stuff. Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly. Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave! Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Grumman Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 8:02 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine I couldn't keep the latest news to myself: Poetry, having opened their temple to language poetry in a substantial way, is now going to do the same for . . . visual poetry. I may even get a poem into it, however hard it may be for me to justify participation. Actually, it's not hard: I believe making my work available to as many who may appreciate it as possible is more important than making some literary-political point hardly anyone will know I've made. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 07:18:36 2008 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:18:36 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine In-Reply-To: <8CA5E7FA894B257-EEC-220A@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA5E678FDA173C-910-BA6@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <47EC3589.5040109@nut-n-but.net> <8CA5E7FA894B257-EEC-220A@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0803280418p7a08094agc1a684673cb60614@mail.gmail.com> Don't cross the streams. Jeff Newberry On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:13 PM, wrote: > Dr. Peter Venkman: This magazine is headed for a disaster of biblical > proportions. > > Editor: What do you mean, "biblical"? > > Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Editor, real wrath of > God type stuff. > > Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly. > > Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and > seas boiling! > > Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... > > Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave! > > Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass > hysteria! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Grumman > Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 8:02 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine > > I couldn't keep the latest news to myself: Poetry, having opened their > temple to language poetry in a substantial way, is now going to do the same > for . . . visual poetry. I may even get a poem into it, however hard it may > be for me to justify participation. Actually, it's not hard: I believe > making my work available to as many who may appreciate it as possible is > more important than making some literary-political point hardly anyone will > know I've made. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ------------------------------ > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." ?William Faulkner, Light in August http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm innocent! --Bob Anny Ballardini wrote: > > pray your last prayers > > you of faith > > sin your many sins > > you of sins > > fast your last fasts > > you of fasts > > that the world is gonna shut down > > yeah > > the world is gonna shut down > > visual it is gonna be > > you heard me right > > visual and tremble _yeah > > you of little faith > > you of big faith > > > Grumman the Laureate thus said : > > Visual and Tremble > Tremble and Visual > > > > *From:* jforjames at aol.com > *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2008 1:13 AM > > Dr. Peter Venkman: This magazine is headed for a disaster of > biblical proportions. > > Editor: What do you mean, "biblical"? > > Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Editor, real > wrath of God type stuff. > > Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly. > > Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! > Rivers and seas boiling! > > Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... > > Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave! > > Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living > together... mass hysteria! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Grumman > Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 8:02 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine > > I couldn't keep the latest news to myself: Poetry, having opened > their temple to language poetry in a substantial way, is now going > to do the same for . . . visual poetry. I may even get a poem into > it, however hard it may be for me to justify participation. > Actually, it's not hard: I believe making my work available to as > many who may appreciate it as possible is more important than > making some literary-political point hardly anyone will know I've > made. > > --Bob G. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexdickow9 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 15:15:38 2008 From: alexdickow9 at yahoo.com (Alexander Dickow) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] congrats, Bob! In-Reply-To: <200803281700.m2SH06cO007481@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <22358.44268.qm@web35505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good news, Bob, I look forward to reading the issue! Not your fault, eh? I suppose it just "popped in there"? ;) Good news on my end, too: just heard those Frenchies are going to subsidize my book. I guess that makes me Offishal, or something :) Amicalement, Alex www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet From editor at pavementsaw.org Fri Mar 28 16:29:55 2008 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine In-Reply-To: <200803281700.m2SH06cN007481@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <488167.40465.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Actually Bob you would not be in an issue of Poetry, you will be in a disposable color insert that will not be attached to its pages, and therefore you are still a marginalized artist which should make you happy Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at johnathonwilliams.com Fri Mar 28 17:18:46 2008 From: me at johnathonwilliams.com (Johnathon Williams) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:18:46 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions In-Reply-To: <86B3E721-68D4-463C-97F1-122D6DB2162A@earthlink.net> References: <610247.21135.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <86B3E721-68D4-463C-97F1-122D6DB2162A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8F5EE906-53CB-4CF4-B9F9-62F6C60A8FA9@johnathonwilliams.com> I edit an online poetry journal at Linebreak.org, and we only accept electronic submissions. The benefits are many: 1. Our staff can work from anywhere Electronic submissions allow myself and my two co-editors to collaborate remotely without the cost of photocopying and mailing. Our publication doesn't have an office or a mailing address ? only an URL. 2. Organization Electronic submissions eliminate the clutter of being inundated with reams of paper. There are no SASEs to track or manuscripts to return. We read, track, vote on, and accept/reject submissions through a shared Gmail account. All correspondence is archived online, which creates an instant record of everything we do. 3. Speed This is a byproduct of organization, I think. The delay between making the decision to reject or accept a poem and notifying the author of the decision is a matter of seconds. And because we can all access submissions at the same time, we make most decisions quickly. > Open electronic submissions can be debilitating, if one is not > careful. MiPOesias allowed these for awhile; I became overwhelmed. > I had to get assistants, and what began as a labor of love became a > labor. I found that many people did not read the magazine before > submitting. I rec'd a range that included poetry I wouldn't look at > cross-eyed, even some cowboy poetry. If many of the submitters had > read even two or three poets I was publishing at the time of open > submissions, it would have likely cut my submissions in half. Amy's point above is true in our experience, too: some people who submit electronically obviously haven't read our archives. In our experience, though, the benefits of electronic subs far outweigh this one drawback. In our case, inappropriate submissions haven't been debilitating so much as slightly annoying. Aside from submissions, we manage all of our internal documents (style guide, production schedule, etc) online as well using Google Docs. I'd recommend a similar setup for anyone doing an online publication. By the way, we're a relatively new publication, and submissions are always welcome. You can check us out here: http://linebreak.org ----------------------------------------------------- Johnathon Williams Co-editor and webmaster http://linebreak.org http://madething.org me at johnathonwilliams.com From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Mar 28 18:29:10 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:29:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] congrats, Bob! In-Reply-To: <22358.44268.qm@web35505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <22358.44268.qm@web35505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47ED7136.6040703@nut-n-but.net> Alexander Dickow wrote: > Good news, Bob, I look forward to reading the issue! > Not your fault, eh? I suppose it just "popped in > there"? ;) > Good news on my end, too: just heard those Frenchies > are going to subsidize my book. I guess that makes me > Offishal, or something :) > Amicalement, > Alex > > www.alexdickow.net/blog/ It makes you a lackey of the state, I believe. But congratulations, anyway! --Bob From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Mar 28 18:37:04 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:37:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: What Has Happened To Poetry Magazine In-Reply-To: <488167.40465.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <488167.40465.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47ED7310.6070702@nut-n-but.net> David Baratier wrote: > Actually Bob > > you would not be in an issue of Poetry, > you will be in a disposable color insert that will not be attached to > its pages, > and therefore you are still a marginalized artist > which should make you happy Geof's announcement said, "A future issue of /Poetry/ magazine will include a small section on contemporary visual poetry edited by Geof Huth. This section, which will include full-color visual poems, will also be released as a separate offprint." But you may be right, David. As for marginalization, I've never wanted that, I just have also never wanted to be doing what it seems people have to do to avoid it--besides outlive it, which is what I may be doing. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Mar 28 18:32:27 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:32:27 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions In-Reply-To: <8F5EE906-53CB-4CF4-B9F9-62F6C60A8FA9@johnathonwilliams.com> References: <610247.21135.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <86B3E721-68D4-463C-97F1-122D6DB2162A@earthlink.net> <8F5EE906-53CB-4CF4-B9F9-62F6C60A8FA9@johnathonwilliams.com> Message-ID: <47ED71FB.20806@opus40.org> I wonder if the carloads of irrelevant submissions are any worse for online journals than print journals. The major print journals generally say that they accept -- what? one to three percent of what's submitted to them. Or less. Georgia Review, for example, says it accepts less than one half of one percent. North American Review says it gets more than 10.000 submissions a year. If you put those two figures together, which is reasonable, you get a magazine receiving over 10,000 poems a year and accepting maybe 50. So there has to be a lot of inappropriate stuff.. I wonder how much more of a breakdown one could get. You're reading an average of 200 poems a week. Out of those, how many make the first cut? How many receive more than the "less than then seconds" that most of the visitors to my blog give me? I'm guessing the cowboy poetry, etc., that Amy got would need no more than that -- and even that is a lot, given that editing a poetry magazine is basically a labor of love, and rarely a full time job. So of the 200 a week that you're reading, out of which you'll be selecting one, how many do you look at for more than a few seconds? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? If Vince Gotera sends you a little note along with your rejection slip, the rejection slip means you're one out of 199 for that week. The note means you're one out of...50? 20? 10? Here are some arbitrary numbers, for which I'd be delighted if someone would plug in some more accurate numbers. In a given week Received: 200. Scanned for less than ten seconds: 150. Read all the way through once: 50 Read all the way through twice: 10. Kept in the "strong maybe" pile: 5. What am I trying to prove here? I have absolutely no idea. The point I started out trying to make was that it's probably just as bad for snail submission mags as it is for e-submission mags. But I digressed somewhere along the way. . Johnathon Williams wrote: > I edit an online poetry journal at Linebreak.org, and we only accept > electronic submissions. The benefits are many: > > 1. Our staff can work from anywhere > Electronic submissions allow myself and my two co-editors to > collaborate remotely without the cost of photocopying and mailing. Our > publication doesn't have an office or a mailing address ? only an URL. > > 2. Organization > Electronic submissions eliminate the clutter of being inundated with > reams of paper. There are no SASEs to track or manuscripts to return. > We read, track, vote on, and accept/reject submissions through a > shared Gmail account. All correspondence is archived online, which > creates an instant record of everything we do. > > 3. Speed > This is a byproduct of organization, I think. The delay between making > the decision to reject or accept a poem and notifying the author of > the decision is a matter of seconds. And because we can all access > submissions at the same time, we make most decisions quickly. > >> Open electronic submissions can be debilitating, if one is not >> careful. MiPOesias allowed these for awhile; I became overwhelmed. >> I had to get assistants, and what began as a labor of love became a >> labor. I found that many people did not read the magazine before >> submitting. I rec'd a range that included poetry I wouldn't look at >> cross-eyed, even some cowboy poetry. If many of the submitters had >> read even two or three poets I was publishing at the time of open >> submissions, it would have likely cut my submissions in half. > > > Amy's point above is true in our experience, too: some people who > submit electronically obviously haven't read our archives. In our > experience, though, the benefits of electronic subs far outweigh this > one drawback. In our case, inappropriate submissions haven't been > debilitating so much as slightly annoying. > > Aside from submissions, we manage all of our internal documents (style > guide, production schedule, etc) online as well using Google Docs. I'd > recommend a similar setup for anyone doing an online publication. > > By the way, we're a relatively new publication, and submissions are > always welcome. You can check us out here: > > http://linebreak.org > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Johnathon Williams > Co-editor and webmaster > http://linebreak.org > http://madething.org > me at johnathonwilliams.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Mar 28 18:39:49 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:39:49 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions In-Reply-To: <47ED71FB.20806@opus40.org> References: <610247.21135.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <86B3E721-68D4-463C-97F1-122D6DB2162A@earthlink.net><8F5EE906-53CB-4CF4-B9F9-62F6C60A8FA9@johnathonwilliams.com> <47ED71FB.20806@opus40.org> Message-ID: <994C797184964EEEADF459B8899B984C@AnnyPC> I think it is a nightmare for those who have to read all those writings without a break, a mental break, something else. There are no human monsters who can read all that. In the hectic way it is portrayed. From: "TheOldMole" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:32 PM >I wonder if the carloads of irrelevant submissions are any worse for online >journals than print journals. The major print journals generally say that >they accept -- what? one to three percent of what's submitted to them. Or >less. Georgia Review, for example, says it accepts less than one half of >one percent. North American Review says it gets more than 10.000 >submissions a year. If you put those two figures together, which is >reasonable, you get a magazine receiving over 10,000 poems a year and >accepting maybe 50. So there has to be a lot of inappropriate stuff.. > > I wonder how much more of a breakdown one could get. You're reading an > average of 200 poems a week. Out of those, how many make the first cut? > How many receive more than the "less than then seconds" that most of the > visitors to my blog give me? I'm guessing the cowboy poetry, etc., that > Amy got would need no more than that -- and even that is a lot, given that > editing a poetry magazine is basically a labor of love, and rarely a full > time job. So of the 200 a week that you're reading, out of which you'll be > selecting one, how many do you look at for more than a few seconds? Ten? > Twenty? Fifty? If Vince Gotera sends you a little note along with your > rejection slip, the rejection slip means you're one out of 199 for that > week. The note means you're one out of...50? 20? 10? > > Here are some arbitrary numbers, for which I'd be delighted if someone > would plug in some more accurate numbers. > > In a given week > > Received: 200. > > Scanned for less than ten seconds: 150. > > Read all the way through once: 50 > > Read all the way through twice: 10. > > Kept in the "strong maybe" pile: 5. > > What am I trying to prove here? I have absolutely no idea. The point I > started out trying to make was that it's probably just as bad for snail > submission mags as it is for e-submission mags. But I digressed somewhere > along the way. . > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > From millb at aol.com Fri Mar 28 18:58:29 2008 From: millb at aol.com (millb at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:58:29 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Submissions (not necessarily electronic) In-Reply-To: <47ED71FB.20806@opus40.org> References: <610247.21135.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <86B3E721-68D4-463C-97F1-122D6DB2162A@earthlink.net> <8F5EE906-53CB-4CF4-B9F9-62F6C60A8FA9@johnathonwilliams.com> <47ED71FB.20806@opus40.org> Message-ID: <8CA5F3E5F3E7C9B-E84-2AD4@webmail-nd06.sysops.aol.com> Greetings-- I was involved as an editor twice.? The first situation was quite awhile ago on a small journal called (at the time) Contact.? We'd receive poems and each editor was responsible for one (for lack of a better word) pile of submissions.? I'd read through my pile and select a few favorites that I would then (for lack of a better word) fight for at our semi-monthly meetings.? At the time we had an academic advisor who also had a vote (but more like 2 votes).? Kind of a representational democracy. The other time, I will not mention the publication.?But, same thing, academic.? As an editor, I received piles of poems.? Again we sat around and discussed "maybes" and "strong possibilities." But the similarities ended there.? Between the prize winners, the solicited mss, the former students, the faculty and the famous names, at the end of the editing meeting, we were lucky if there was room for one or two poems from the slush pile. Mill -----Original Message----- From: TheOldMole Sent: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 3:32 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions I wonder if the carloads of irrelevant submissions are any worse for online journals than print journals. The major print journals generally say that they accept -- what? one to three percent of what's submitted to them. Or less. Georgia Review, for example, says it accepts less than one half of one percent. North American Review says it gets more than 10.000 submissions a year. If you put those two figures together, which is reasonable, you get a magazine receiving over 10,000 poems a year and accepting maybe 50. So there has to be a lot of inappropriate stuff..? ? I wonder how much more of a breakdown one could get. You're reading an average of 200 poems a week. Out of those, how many make the first cut? How many receive more than the "less than then seconds" that most of the visitors to my blog give me? I'm guessing the cowboy poetry, etc., that Amy got would need no more than that -- and even that is a lot, given that editing a poetry magazine is basically a labor of love, and rarely a full time job. So of the 200 a week that you're reading, out of which you'll be selecting one, how many do you look at for more than a few seconds? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? If Vince Gotera sends you a little note along with your rejection slip, the rejection slip means you're one out of 199 for that week. The note means you're one out of...50? 20? 10?? ? Here are some arbitrary numbers, for which I'd be delighted if someone would plug in some more accurate numbers.? ? In a given week? ? Received: 200.? ? Scanned for less than ten seconds: 150.? ? Read all the way through once: 50? ? Read all the way through twice: 10.? ? Kept in the "strong maybe" pile: 5.? ? What am I trying to prove here? I have absolutely no idea. The point I started out trying to make was that it's probably just as bad for snail submission mags as it is for e-submission mags. But I digressed somewhere along the way. .? ? Johnathon Williams wrote:? > I edit an online poetry journal at Linebreak.org, and we only accept > electronic submissions. The benefits are many:? >? > 1. Our staff can work from anywhere? > Electronic submissions allow myself and my two co-editors to > collaborate remotely without the cost of photocopying and mailing. Our > publication doesn't have an office or a mailing address ? only an URL.? >? > 2. Organization? > Electronic submissions eliminate the clutter of being inundated with > reams of paper. There are no SASEs to track or manuscripts to return. > We read, track, vote on, and accept/reject submissions through a > shared Gmail account. All correspondence is archived online, which > creates an instant record of everything we do.? >? > 3. Speed? > This is a byproduct of organization, I think. The delay between making > the decision to reject or accept a poem and notifying the author of > the decision is a matter of seconds. And because we can all access > submissions at the same time, we make most decisions quickly.? >? >> Open electronic submissions can be debilitating, if one is not >> careful. MiPOesias allowed these for awhile; I became overwhelmed. >> I had to get assistants, and what began as a labor of love became a >> labor. I found that many people did not read the magazine before >> submitting. I rec'd a range that included poetry I wouldn't look at >> cross-eyed, even some cowboy poetry. If many of the submitters had >> read even two or three poets I was publishing at the time of open >> submissions, it would have likely cut my submissions in half.? >? >? > Amy's point above is true in our experience, too: some people who > submit electronically obviously haven't read our archives. In our > experience, though, the benefits of electronic subs far outweigh this > one drawback. In our case, inappropriate submissions haven't been > debilitating so much as slightly annoying.? >? > Aside from submissions, we manage all of our internal documents (style > guide, production schedule, etc) online as well using Google Docs. I'd > recommend a similar setup for anyone doing an online publication.? >? > By the way, we're a relatively new publication, and submissions are > always welcome. You can check us out here:? >? > http://linebreak.org? >? > -----------------------------------------------------? > Johnathon Williams? > Co-editor and webmaster? > http://linebreak.org? > http://madething.org? > me at johnathonwilliams.com? > _______________________________________________? > New-Poetry mailing list? > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? >? ? -- Tad Richards? http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/? http://opusforty.blogspot.com/? ? The moral is this: in American verse,? The better you are, the pay is worse.? ?--Corey Ford? ? _______________________________________________? New-Poetry mailing list? New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu? http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Have you considered putting more information (click to receive RSS feed, ITunes podcast) on the page with the poem? All in all, good luck with this. It's a great format. Johnathon Williams wrote: > I edit an online poetry journal at Linebreak.org, and we only accept > electronic submissions. The benefits are many: > > 1. Our staff can work from anywhere > Electronic submissions allow myself and my two co-editors to > collaborate remotely without the cost of photocopying and mailing. Our > publication doesn't have an office or a mailing address ? only an URL. > > 2. Organization > Electronic submissions eliminate the clutter of being inundated with > reams of paper. There are no SASEs to track or manuscripts to return. > We read, track, vote on, and accept/reject submissions through a > shared Gmail account. All correspondence is archived online, which > creates an instant record of everything we do. > > 3. Speed > This is a byproduct of organization, I think. The delay between making > the decision to reject or accept a poem and notifying the author of > the decision is a matter of seconds. And because we can all access > submissions at the same time, we make most decisions quickly. > >> Open electronic submissions can be debilitating, if one is not >> careful. MiPOesias allowed these for awhile; I became overwhelmed. >> I had to get assistants, and what began as a labor of love became a >> labor. I found that many people did not read the magazine before >> submitting. I rec'd a range that included poetry I wouldn't look at >> cross-eyed, even some cowboy poetry. If many of the submitters had >> read even two or three poets I was publishing at the time of open >> submissions, it would have likely cut my submissions in half. > > > Amy's point above is true in our experience, too: some people who > submit electronically obviously haven't read our archives. In our > experience, though, the benefits of electronic subs far outweigh this > one drawback. In our case, inappropriate submissions haven't been > debilitating so much as slightly annoying. > > Aside from submissions, we manage all of our internal documents (style > guide, production schedule, etc) online as well using Google Docs. I'd > recommend a similar setup for anyone doing an online publication. > > By the way, we're a relatively new publication, and submissions are > always welcome. You can check us out here: > > http://linebreak.org > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Johnathon Williams > Co-editor and webmaster > http://linebreak.org > http://madething.org > me at johnathonwilliams.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Mar 28 19:31:33 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:31:33 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] What Message-ID: is poetry? I just found this site: http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=2753 Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Mar 28 20:58:09 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:58:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] What In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47ED9421.1000909@nut-n-but.net> Anny Ballardini wrote: > is poetry? > I just found this site: > http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=2753 > It's crap, but looks like it's probably okay as an introduction to children. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 20:36:33 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:36:33 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Submissions (not necessarily electronic) In-Reply-To: <8CA5F3E5F3E7C9B-E84-2AD4@webmail-nd06.sysops.aol.com> References: <610247.21135.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <86B3E721-68D4-463C-97F1-122D6DB2162A@earthlink.net> <8F5EE906-53CB-4CF4-B9F9-62F6C60A8FA9@johnathonwilliams.com> <47ED71FB.20806@opus40.org> <8CA5F3E5F3E7C9B-E84-2AD4@webmail-nd06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60803281736k4f4ae787tac6015d4ab7bdeb9@mail.gmail.com> I was editor of a print magazine for five years (Porch) and am editor of The Salt River Review (now in its 11th year) and in both cases I have been the sole arbiter of what gets selected - fiction editors have the same autonomy, as do guest editors. I don't believe in selection by committee because, frankly, the resulting content has that selection by committee feel. The results of sole and exclusive editorship can, of course, be considered eccentric or arbitrary. But, I've had no complaints, and compliments often include the word "eclectic." Continuation of response in a post responding to Tad Richard's post today, "Electronic Submissions." - Jim On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 3:58 PM, wrote: > Greetings-- > > I was involved as an editor twice. > > The first situation was quite awhile ago on a small journal called (at the > time) Contact. We'd receive poems and each editor was responsible for one > (for lack of a better word) pile of submissions. I'd read through my pile > and select a few favorites that I would then (for lack of a better word) > fight for at our semi-monthly meetings. At the time we had an academic > advisor who also had a vote (but more like 2 votes). Kind of a > representational democracy. > > The other time, I will not mention the publication. But, same thing, > academic. As an editor, I received piles of poems. Again we sat around and > discussed "maybes" and "strong possibilities." But the similarities ended > there. Between the prize winners, the solicited mss, the former students, > the faculty and the famous names, at the end of the editing meeting, we were > lucky if there was room for one or two poems from the slush pile. > > Mill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 3:32 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions > > I wonder if the carloads of irrelevant submissions are any worse for > online journals than print journals. The major print journals generally say > that they accept -- what? one to three percent of what's submitted to them. > Or less. Georgia Review, for example, says it accepts less than one half of > one percent. North American Review says it gets more than 10.000submissions a year. If you put those two figures together, which is > reasonable, you get a magazine receiving over 10,000 poems a year and > accepting maybe 50. So there has to be a lot of inappropriate stuff.. > > I wonder how much more of a breakdown one could get. You're reading an > average of 200 poems a week. Out of those, how many make the first cut? How > many receive more than the "less than then seconds" that most of the > visitors to my blog give me? I'm guessing the cowboy poetry, etc., that Amy > got would need no more than that -- and even that is a lot, given that > editing a poetry magazine is basically a labor of love, and rarely a full > time job. So of the 200 a week that you're reading, out of which you'll be > selecting one, how many do you look at for more than a few seconds? Ten? > Twenty? Fifty? If Vince Gotera sends you a little note along with your > rejection slip, the rejection slip means you're one out of 199 for that > week. The note means you're one out of...50? 20? 10? > > Here are some arbitrary numbers, for which I'd be delighted if someone > would plug in some more accurate numbers. > > In a given week > > Received: 200. > > Scanned for less than ten seconds: 150. > > Read all the way through once: 50 > > Read all the way through twice: 10. > > Kept in the "strong maybe" pile: 5. > > What am I trying to prove here? I have absolutely no idea. The point I > started out trying to make was that it's probably just as bad for snail > submission mags as it is for e-submission mags. But I digressed somewhere > along the way. . > > Johnathon Williams wrote: > > I edit an online poetry journal at Linebreak.org, and we only accept > > electronic submissions. The benefits are many: > > > > 1. Our staff can work from anywhere > > Electronic submissions allow myself and my two co-editors to > > collaborate remotely without the cost of photocopying and mailing. Our > > publication doesn't have an office or a mailing address ? only an URL. > > > > 2. Organization > > Electronic submissions eliminate the clutter of being inundated with > > reams of paper. There are no SASEs to track or manuscripts to return. > We > read, track, vote on, and accept/reject submissions through a > shared Gmail > account. All correspondence is archived online, which > creates an instant > record of everything we do. > > > > 3. Speed > > This is a byproduct of organization, I think. The delay between making > > the decision to reject or accept a poem and notifying the author of > the > decision is a matter of seconds. And because we can all access > submissions > at the same time, we make most decisions quickly. > > > >> Open electronic submissions can be debilitating, if one is not >> > careful. MiPOesias allowed these for awhile; I became overwhelmed. >> I had > to get assistants, and what began as a labor of love became a >> labor. I > found that many people did not read the magazine before >> submitting. I > rec'd a range that included poetry I wouldn't look at >> cross-eyed, even > some cowboy poetry. If many of the submitters had >> read even two or three > poets I was publishing at the time of open >> submissions, it would have > likely cut my submissions in half. > > > > > > Amy's point above is true in our experience, too: some people who > > submit electronically obviously haven't read our archives. In our > > experience, though, the benefits of electronic subs far outweigh this > one > drawback. In our case, inappropriate submissions haven't been > debilitating > so much as slightly annoying. > > > > Aside from submissions, we manage all of our internal documents (style > > guide, production schedule, etc) online as well using Google Docs. I'd > > recommend a similar setup for anyone doing an online publication. > > > > By the way, we're a relatively new publication, and submissions are > > always welcome. You can check us out here: > > > > http://linebreak.org > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Johnathon Williams > > Co-editor and webmaster > > http://linebreak.org > > http://madething.org > > me at johnathonwilliams.com > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ------------------------------ > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 20:51:57 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:51:57 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions In-Reply-To: <47ED71FB.20806@opus40.org> References: <610247.21135.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <86B3E721-68D4-463C-97F1-122D6DB2162A@earthlink.net> <8F5EE906-53CB-4CF4-B9F9-62F6C60A8FA9@johnathonwilliams.com> <47ED71FB.20806@opus40.org> Message-ID: <648208b60803281751y3ea3b398ja99baff91ebdea24@mail.gmail.com> Well, Tad, my experience varies a bit from the hypothetical figures/representations in your post, but I'll use your categories for an approximation of what happens with Salt River Review. In a given week Received: 100 during an announced submission period. Almost the same as that during the time I'm *not* reading submissions! Scanned for less than ten seconds: More like 30 seconds, but it doesn't take too many lines to discern lack of craft, lack of writing experience, guileless autobiography, players of pianos with two octaves etc. But, the majority fall into this category, maybe 75 of the 100. Most simply give evidence they've never read SRR and/or haven't read the guidelines. Read all the way through once: About 5 of the 100. Read all the way through twice: 2. Kept in the "strong maybe" pile: 2. Then, of course, when deadline is approaching and things are looking bleak, I send out calls for work from people whose work I admire. I wish I could assemble every issue that way but it would put everyone in uncomfortable positions. - Jim On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 3:32 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > I wonder if the carloads of irrelevant submissions are any worse for > online journals than print journals. The major print journals generally > say that they accept -- what? one to three percent of what's submitted > to them. Or less. Georgia Review, for example, says it accepts less than > one half of one percent. North American Review says it gets more than > 10.000 submissions a year. If you put those two figures together, which > is reasonable, you get a magazine receiving over 10,000 poems a year and > accepting maybe 50. So there has to be a lot of inappropriate stuff.. > > I wonder how much more of a breakdown one could get. You're reading an > average of 200 poems a week. Out of those, how many make the first cut? > How many receive more than the "less than then seconds" that most of the > visitors to my blog give me? I'm guessing the cowboy poetry, etc., that > Amy got would need no more than that -- and even that is a lot, given > that editing a poetry magazine is basically a labor of love, and rarely > a full time job. So of the 200 a week that you're reading, out of which > you'll be selecting one, how many do you look at for more than a few > seconds? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? If Vince Gotera sends you a little note > along with your rejection slip, the rejection slip means you're one out > of 199 for that week. The note means you're one out of...50? 20? 10? > > Here are some arbitrary numbers, for which I'd be delighted if someone > would plug in some more accurate numbers. > > In a given week > > Received: 200. > > Scanned for less than ten seconds: 150. > > Read all the way through once: 50 > > Read all the way through twice: 10. > > Kept in the "strong maybe" pile: 5. > > What am I trying to prove here? I have absolutely no idea. The point I > started out trying to make was that it's probably just as bad for snail > submission mags as it is for e-submission mags. But I digressed > somewhere along the way. . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duemer at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 21:39:24 2008 From: duemer at gmail.com (Joseph Duemer) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:39:24 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Submissions (not necessarily electronic) In-Reply-To: <648208b60803281736k4f4ae787tac6015d4ab7bdeb9@mail.gmail.com> References: <610247.21135.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <86B3E721-68D4-463C-97F1-122D6DB2162A@earthlink.net> <8F5EE906-53CB-4CF4-B9F9-62F6C60A8FA9@johnathonwilliams.com> <47ED71FB.20806@opus40.org> <8CA5F3E5F3E7C9B-E84-2AD4@webmail-nd06.sysops.aol.com> <648208b60803281736k4f4ae787tac6015d4ab7bdeb9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I remember helping Jim colate & staple some of the early issues of Porch in Seattle. Those were the days! Now, I'm the poetry editor of The Wallace Stevens journal & I don't like email submissions, likely because I'm an old fart. We do accept them, but they are almost uniformly bad: the writer hasn't seen a copy of the journal, the writer may not know who Wallace Stevens is, the writer is a lunatic, the writer is sending the same poem to fifty magazines gleaned from the Directory of Poetry Publishers, etc. Submissions by post may also come from the sorts of writers just noted, but the physical requirement to print out, fold, address, include SASE, and stick a stamp on the whole thing seems to act as a filter. As a poet who submits work, email just feels too casual to me. I get a kick out of going through all the steps. The process also forces me to look at my work again and imagine an editor tearing open the envelope. Of course, the shift to electronic submission is inevitable and there's no use raising a stink -- rationally, it makes a lot of sense. As for editing solo or by committee, my job is to work with the journal's editor. I have the power to reject anything that comes in, but the two of us need to agree on things that pass my initial screening. jd On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:36 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > I was editor of a print magazine for five years (Porch) and am editor of > The Salt River Review (now in its 11th year) and in both cases I have been > the sole arbiter of what gets selected - fiction editors have the same > autonomy, as do guest editors. I don't believe in selection by committee > because, frankly, the resulting content has that selection by committee > feel. The results of sole and exclusive editorship can, of course, be > considered eccentric or arbitrary. But, I've had no complaints, and > compliments often include the word "eclectic." > Continuation of response in a post responding to Tad Richard's post today, > "Electronic Submissions." > > - Jim > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 3:58 PM, wrote: > > > Greetings-- > > > > I was involved as an editor twice. > > > > The first situation was quite awhile ago on a small journal called (at > > the time) Contact. We'd receive poems and each editor was responsible for > > one (for lack of a better word) pile of submissions. I'd read through my > > pile and select a few favorites that I would then (for lack of a better > > word) fight for at our semi-monthly meetings. At the time we had an > > academic advisor who also had a vote (but more like 2 votes). Kind of a > > representational democracy. > > > > The other time, I will not mention the publication. But, same thing, > > academic. As an editor, I received piles of poems. Again we sat around and > > discussed "maybes" and "strong possibilities." But the similarities ended > > there. Between the prize winners, the solicited mss, the former students, > > the faculty and the famous names, at the end of the editing meeting, we were > > lucky if there was room for one or two poems from the slush pile. > > > > Mill > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TheOldMole > > Sent: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 3:32 pm > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions > > > > I wonder if the carloads of irrelevant submissions are any worse for > > online journals than print journals. The major print journals generally say > > that they accept -- what? one to three percent of what's submitted to them. > > Or less. Georgia Review, for example, says it accepts less than one half of > > one percent. North American Review says it gets more than 10.000submissions a year. If you put those two figures together, which is > > reasonable, you get a magazine receiving over 10,000 poems a year and > > accepting maybe 50. So there has to be a lot of inappropriate stuff.. > > > > I wonder how much more of a breakdown one could get. You're reading an > > average of 200 poems a week. Out of those, how many make the first cut? How > > many receive more than the "less than then seconds" that most of the > > visitors to my blog give me? I'm guessing the cowboy poetry, etc., that Amy > > got would need no more than that -- and even that is a lot, given that > > editing a poetry magazine is basically a labor of love, and rarely a full > > time job. So of the 200 a week that you're reading, out of which you'll be > > selecting one, how many do you look at for more than a few seconds? Ten? > > Twenty? Fifty? If Vince Gotera sends you a little note along with your > > rejection slip, the rejection slip means you're one out of 199 for that > > week. The note means you're one out of...50? 20? 10? > > > > Here are some arbitrary numbers, for which I'd be delighted if someone > > would plug in some more accurate numbers. > > > > In a given week > > > > Received: 200. > > > > Scanned for less than ten seconds: 150. > > > > Read all the way through once: 50 > > > > Read all the way through twice: 10. > > > > Kept in the "strong maybe" pile: 5. > > > > What am I trying to prove here? I have absolutely no idea. The point I > > started out trying to make was that it's probably just as bad for snail > > submission mags as it is for e-submission mags. But I digressed somewhere > > along the way. . > > > > Johnathon Williams wrote: > > > I edit an online poetry journal at Linebreak.org, and we only accept > > > electronic submissions. The benefits are many: > > > > > > 1. Our staff can work from anywhere > > > Electronic submissions allow myself and my two co-editors to > > > collaborate remotely without the cost of photocopying and mailing. Our > > > publication doesn't have an office or a mailing address ? only an URL. > > > > > > 2. Organization > > > Electronic submissions eliminate the clutter of being inundated with > > > reams of paper. There are no SASEs to track or manuscripts to return. > We > > read, track, vote on, and accept/reject submissions through a > shared Gmail > > account. All correspondence is archived online, which > creates an instant > > record of everything we do. > > > > > > 3. Speed > > > This is a byproduct of organization, I think. The delay between making > > > the decision to reject or accept a poem and notifying the author of > the > > decision is a matter of seconds. And because we can all access > submissions > > at the same time, we make most decisions quickly. > > > > > >> Open electronic submissions can be debilitating, if one is not >> > > careful. MiPOesias allowed these for awhile; I became overwhelmed. >> I had > > to get assistants, and what began as a labor of love became a >> labor. I > > found that many people did not read the magazine before >> submitting. I > > rec'd a range that included poetry I wouldn't look at >> cross-eyed, even > > some cowboy poetry. If many of the submitters had >> read even two or three > > poets I was publishing at the time of open >> submissions, it would have > > likely cut my submissions in half. > > > > > > > > > Amy's point above is true in our experience, too: some people who > > > submit electronically obviously haven't read our archives. In our > > > experience, though, the benefits of electronic subs far outweigh this > one > > drawback. In our case, inappropriate submissions haven't been > debilitating > > so much as slightly annoying. > > > > > > Aside from submissions, we manage all of our internal documents (style > > > guide, production schedule, etc) online as well using Google Docs. I'd > > > recommend a similar setup for anyone doing an online publication. > > > > > > By the way, we're a relatively new publication, and submissions are > > > always welcome. You can check us out here: > > > > > > http://linebreak.org > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > Johnathon Williams > > > Co-editor and webmaster > > > http://linebreak.org > > > http://madething.org > > > me at johnathonwilliams.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- Tad Richards > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > The moral is this: in American verse, > > The better you are, the pay is worse. > > --Corey Ford > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > > Planning your summer road trip? 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This section, which will include full-color visual poems, will also be released as a separate offprint." Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsgrimes at stonegulch.com Sat Mar 29 07:13:55 2008 From: lsgrimes at stonegulch.com (Linda Sue Grimes) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:13:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] What References: <47ED9421.1000909@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <002601c8918d$fb2ebe60$0201a8c0@LindaSue> Bob G. wrote: "It's crap, but looks like it's probably okay as an introduction to children." I take it you've never had children. lsg ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] What Anny Ballardini wrote: is poetry? I just found this site: http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=2753 It's crap, but looks like it's probably okay as an introduction to children. --Bob G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We want the veil parted and the bone laid bare. This is what Tennyson meant when he wrote in Canto 54 of ?In Memoriam,? his tribute to his friend Arthur Hallam, that his grief left him ?no language but a cry.? **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sat Mar 29 16:02:44 2008 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:02:44 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Quoth Message-ID: Fine poetry is the music of mathematics, numbers, singing. You have to look behind the words to understand their meaning. movie "The Good Shepherd" **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Mar 29 17:48:59 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:48:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] What In-Reply-To: <002601c8918d$fb2ebe60$0201a8c0@LindaSue> References: <47ED9421.1000909@nut-n-but.net> <002601c8918d$fb2ebe60$0201a8c0@LindaSue> Message-ID: <47EEB94B.6010604@nut-n-but.net> I was speaking of older children--including the much older (in so many respects) children in college. --Bob G. Linda Sue Grimes wrote: > Bob G. wrote: > "It's crap, but looks like it's probably okay as an introduction to > children." > > I take it you've never had children. > > lsg > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bob Grumman > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views > > *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2008 7:58 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] What > > > > Anny Ballardini wrote: >> is poetry? >> I just found this site: >> http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=2753 >> > It's crap, but looks like it's probably okay as an introduction to > children. > > --Bob G. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And then there was the incalculable reality of all the works in the library that had succeded which would never be read. That fall, or winter, or spring, or summer afternoon, I'd look out the window of Payne Hall through the Colonnade down to Lee Chapel and think, "What's the cost of losing battles?" Of course, then I'd read a nicely typed enigma by Borges submitted by the agent for a translator and recognize that Borges seemed to know more about this curious business than all of the others, if I could only figure out how he knew it. R.E. Dillon ELEMENOPE Productions _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 20:36:30 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:36:30 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Electronic Submissions In-Reply-To: <47ED78A3.1090009@opus40.org> References: <610247.21135.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <86B3E721-68D4-463C-97F1-122D6DB2162A@earthlink.net> <8F5EE906-53CB-4CF4-B9F9-62F6C60A8FA9@johnathonwilliams.com> <47ED78A3.1090009@opus40.org> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0803291736o3c036f72o6c059ae33515c2f4@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 3:00 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > I like the format. Is there an error in Zachary Schombuirg's reading? He > seems to be saying "chain and pendant," where on the page the line seems > to be "charm and pendant." Or chain and pedant c From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Mar 30 22:41:43 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:41:43 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] You Can Be Replaced Message-ID: <47F04F67.2000802@opus40.org> Phonologically driven generative poetry, explored as a response to the standard orthographically driven electronic poetry (and its precursors: Oulipo, Dada). A genetic algorithm operates on "Poemes" made up of lines. The goal for this instance is to maximize the consonance and assonance of adjacent consonants and vowels, respectively. A new poem-population is created every 200 generations. The visualization shows the movement of the poem over time in an approximate consonant space (blue) and vowel space (orange). http://blog.wired.com/sterling/2008/03/yet-another-gen.html -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From jforjames at aol.com Mon Mar 31 16:17:47 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:17:47 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] April Madness Message-ID: <8CA61836B8E1F0C-1264-15A1@webmail-nc10.sysops.aol.com> http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/articles/2008/03/31/their_words_against_ours/ Their words against ours At the Cantab, teams from Emerson and Hampshire face off in preparation for the national collegiate poetry slam By Monica Boland Globe Correspondent / March 31, 2008 CAMBRIDGE - Max Kessler stands in front of a packed crowd that cheers rambunctiously as he "slams" about his contempt for indie rock: "I am the only heavy metal fan at Emerson College, and I think that not only speaks poorly of Emerson's student body but of the artistic integrity of my entire generation." His voice booms with pride for heavy metal music as he extends an invitation to the audience: "Come thrash with me!" Sean Conlon's face turns an unnatural shade of red as he gesticulates furiously, pleading with Middle America to wake up and rid itself of bigotry and hatred. His words are filled with desperation as he begs Midwesterners in particular to be open-minded: "Without love," he says, "even grass dries up." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: