[New-Poetry] Dark Horses

[Judy Prince]

The day before Bob mentioned the Establishment, I'd had a runaway thought:
 to publish the work of poets who've submitted to various publications,
competitions, contests----and who've been rejected by all of them.  This
thought came on the heels of reading Paglia's book and my pretty much
rejecting her chosen 'modern' poems as Excellent.  All of that came on the
same heels scuffed by years of reading poems that are accepted by Well
Established [does that help with a definition?] presses, publications and
competitions, but which, to me, do not seem Excellent.  Yet several poets I
know write Excellent poems, and they're rejected by the Establishment folk.

Is it all a matter of personal 'taste'?  That would make this discussion
about Establishment and non-Establishment useless.  Is poetry that is
written after our [relatively] accepted Great Poets, simply too different
from it---and in some of our opinions reasonably so---for us to agree on
what is Excellent poetry?

My conclusion's that if 'we' agree on what makes The Great Poets great, then
we can agree on what makes ANY poem/poet Great.  Despite the ebb and flow of
philosophies, theories, and techniques, we have a fundamental view of what
makes Great poetry.

What are the requisites for Great poetry?

I'll begin the list and hope that some will support it and some will dismiss
it.  Perhaps some will want to add to the list.

What Makes Great Poetry

1)  comparisons that stun as well as bring recognition

Best,

Judy

2008/12/7 James Cervantes <cervantes.james at gmail.com>

> Truly.  Next thing would be "*which* establishments?"
> - Jim
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Oh no, Linda, do not ask that question... :-)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Linda Sue Grimes <lsgrimes at stonegulch.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>  What are the criteria for determining an "Establishment" vs a
>>> "Non-establishment" poet?
>>>
>>> lsg
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>  *From:* Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
>>> *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:02 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Dark Horses
>>>
>>> JforJames at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>  It's that time of year when some of us like to post the titles of books
>>> we've enjoyed during the year.
>>> (Consider that an invitation.)
>>>
>>> A few weeks ago we were talking about Paglia's *Break, Blow, Burn*, and
>>> her claim to have
>>> sought out poems off the beaten track of traditional anthology's tables
>>> of contents. Well
>>> here's a book that really does that: *Dark Horses: Poets on Overlooked
>>> Poems*. It's an eclectic
>>> collection and the editors certainly tried to cover the aesthetic
>>> waterfront.
>>>
>>> One maybe visual poem by a big-name visual artist is nice but I bet all
>>> the poets asked to pick a poem were Establishment poets.
>>>
>>> --Bob
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