[New-Poetry] Visual poetry

[Roger Day]

"snippets", yes, a good phrase that. Poor old Apollinaire, writing
snippets all those years.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:01 AM, James Cervantes
<cervantes.james at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, there's the problem, as I see it:  In writing, "collage" can only be
> offered as a series of snippets.  Putting torn bits of print into an
> assemblage of graphic art is collage, but the sort expected of
> graphic/plastic arts.  Overlaying spoken poetry, as if it were a canon or
> fugue by Bach, would come closer to being a collage of the word.  But I
> think that's been done.  Can't recall a specific example at the moment.
> - Jim
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:41 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wouldn't you say that in visual art that the collage elements, generally
>> speaking, can still be individually recognized? Like a torn corner of sheet
>> music, an swatch of ornate wallpaper, a train schedule, a flattened beer
>> can, etc. In most art collages there is both the 'all-at-once' effect that
>> Jim C mentioned, but also a very compelling draw to look closely at the
>> elements themselves, to mentally isolate certain bits & pieces, even to the
>> point of  'reading' the words (when words are part of a particular element.
>>
>> That may or may not be true in text cut-ups, particularly if you are using
>> single words/half phrases from an obscure text. If you cut up a speech from
>> Hamlet and rearrange the words/phrases, they're likely to retain some echo
>> or familiarity. Not so much if the pieces come from page 4 of two-year
>> old newspaper.
>>
>> In music you now have mashups, too...is there an analog in poetry?
>> Finnegan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Roger Day < rog3r.day at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 6:07 pm
>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry
>>
>> Collage in writing - to my limited understanding - is usually a
>> disjoint set of phrases. Burroughs cut-ups, etc. Sound-sense not
>> required, indeed, discouraged by it's very disjointedness. An
>> anti-music if you will.
>>
>> Heading into the visual, into collage, vizpo begins to be
>> indiscernible from collage. Indeed, looking at the work that started
>> this thread, it is collage. Looked at from this angle, "visual poetry"
>> begins to occupy a very tiny plinth, almost disappearing up it's own
>> fundamental.
>>
>> Roger
>>
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