[New-Poetry] Visual poetry

[James Cervantes]

Well, there's the problem, as I see it:  In writing, "collage" can only be
offered as a series of snippets.  Putting torn bits of print into an
assemblage of graphic art is collage, but the sort expected of
graphic/plastic arts.  Overlaying spoken poetry, as if it were a canon or
fugue by Bach, would come closer to being a collage of the word.  But I
think that's been done.  Can't recall a specific example at the moment.
- Jim

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:41 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> Wouldn't you say that in visual art that the collage elements, generally
> speaking, can still be individually recognized? Like a torn corner of sheet
> music, an swatch of ornate wallpaper, a train schedule, a flattened beer
> can, etc. In most art collages there is both the 'all-at-once' effect that
> Jim C mentioned, but also a very compelling draw to look closely at the
> elements themselves, to mentally isolate certain bits & pieces, even to the
> point of  'reading' the words (when words are part of a particular element.
>
> That may or may not be true in text cut-ups, particularly if you are using
> single words/half phrases from an obscure text. If you cut up a speech from
> Hamlet and rearrange the words/phrases, they're likely to retain some echo
> or familiarity. Not so much if the pieces come from page 4 of two-year
> old newspaper.
>
> In music you now have mashups, too...is there an analog in poetry?
> Finnegan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Day < rog3r.day at gmail.com>
> Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 6:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry
>
> Collage in writing - to my limited understanding - is usually a
> disjoint set of phrases. Burroughs cut-ups, etc. Sound-sense not
> required, indeed, discouraged by it's very disjointedness. An
> anti-music if you will.
>
> Heading into the visual, into collage, vizpo begins to be
> indiscernible from collage. Indeed, looking at the work that started
> this thread, it is collage. Looked at from this angle, "visual poetry"
> begins to occupy a very tiny plinth, almost disappearing up it's own
> fundamental.
>
> Roger
>
>
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