[New-Poetry] Visual poetry

[Roger Day]

You're right about the Single Big Impressive Image, but all because
collagists did not produce works as you describe doesn't mean you
couldnt. As a possible prototype, the Bayeux tapestry is a large
collage of instances sewn up as a single thread. Cy Twombly's large
canvas scribblings, for example. I don't think Cy Twombly intended
this to happen, but I don't think it matters. Seeing his canvases
together does seem to make them a non-singular experience. You're
right about literature though, however, the plastic arts are very
plastic.

I thought, once, that image and text were modal operations. Not so
sure now. I tend to go from the image into the word, rather than the
word into the image. Something like, the word being the image given
fixed meaning.

I hate boundaries.

Roger

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM, James Cervantes
<cervantes.james at gmail.com> wrote:
> Experiential collages aside (my early college days were indeed collage), the
> collage used in writing cannot be of the same nature (or have the same
> impact)  as that used in graphic arts, because in the graphic arts you are
> seeing the collage all at once, which can't happen with an art form with a
> linear, discursive format - it can't be all-at-once, though of course it
> could be if you had 2 or more performance folk reading 2 or more different
> pieces at the same time.
>
> Hard to approach the impact of Duchamp, Braque, Picasso, or Schwitters with
> a piece of writing, however.  Then there are Joseph Cornell's boxes, which
> are a three-dimensional collage, as well as mixed media, another kind of
> collage, I think.
>
> There's collage, and then there's collage.
>
> - Jim
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Roger Day <rog3r.day at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> aren't texts a graphic use of the desert collage?
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
>> wrote:
>> > Chris Lott wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 15:28, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Basinski is one of my Major Poets, and I love these three things of his.
>> >  I'm not sure I'd call them poems, though.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I like 'em, though I usually see such things categorized as collage...
>> >
>> > c
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We agree--although I'd have to see the things life-size to determine if
>> > their texts fuse with their graphics enough to seem visual poems to me.
>> >
>> > --Bob G.
>> >
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