From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 10:31:02 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:43 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] ** Ball, Chace, Mort, Moschovakis, Murphy and Yankelevich ** Message-ID: <90484.91530.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ? The Stain of Poetry Presents ? August 29th @ 7 p.m. - Stain Bar - Williamsburg, Brooklyn ? ** Ball, Chace, Mort, Moschovakis, Murphy and Yankelevich ** ? ~~~ ? Michael Ball grew up in North Carolina & spent most of his adult life in Brooklyn. He currently lives in Baltimore where he curates & hosts the i.e. reading series. ? ~~~ ? Joel Chace has published poetry and prose poetry in print and electronic magazines such as 6ix, Tomorrow, Lost and Found Times, Coracle, xStream, Three Candles, 2River View, Joey & the Black Boots, Recursive Angel, and Veer. He has published more than a dozen print and electronic collections. New from BlazeVox Books is CLEANING THE MIRROR: NEW AND SELECTED POEMS, and from Paper Kite Press, MATTER NO MATTER, another full-length collection. For many years, Chace has been Poetry Editor for the experimental electronic magazine 5_Trope. Amphibian Productions theater company did a staged reading of his play TRIPTYCH, at the Arclight Theatre, on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, Spring, 2005. ? ~~~ ? valzhyna mort born in minsk, belarus. second book of poetry ?factory of tears? came out in april 2008 from copper canyon press, usa. (the first one was published in minsk in 2005 and called ?i?m as thin as your eyelashes?). previously was a writer-in-residence at several international locations, also received two international poetry prizes. besides the united states, ?factory of tears? was published in sweden and will come out in 2009 in germany. apart from poetry, valzhyna mort runs a black metal music label. ? ? ~~~ ? Anna Moschovakis is the author of a book of poems,_I Have Not Been Able to Get Through to Everyone_, and of several chapbooks, including most recently _No Medea_ , a Tinyside from Big Game Books. She is also a translator of French poetry and prose and an editor at Ugly Duckling Presse. ? ? ~~~ ? Ryan Murphy is the author of Down With the Ship from Otis Books/Seismicity Editions. He has received awards from Chelsea magazine and the Aldrich Museum of Contemporary Art, as well as a grant from the Fund for Poetry. He lives in New York. ? ~~~ ? Matvei Yankelevich edited and translated TODAY I WROTE NOTHING: THE SELECTED WRITINGS OF DANIIL KHARMS (Overlook, 2007). He is a co-translator of OBERIU: AN ANTHOLOGY OF RUSSIAN ABSURDISM (2006). His translation of the Vladimir Mayakovsky?s poem ?Cloud in Pants? appears in NIGHT WRAPS THE SKY: WRITINGS BY AND ABOUT MAYAKOVSKY (Farrar, Strauss & Giroux, 2008). He is the author of a long poem, THE PRESENT WORK (Palm Press, 2006) and his writing has appeared in Fence, Open City, and many other literary journals. He teaches Russian Literature at Hunter College in New York City and edits the Eastern European Poets Series at Ugly Duckling Presse in Brooklyn. ? ? ~~~ ? stain 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L train to Grand Street, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 open daily @ 5 p.m. ? ~~~~ ? Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bozicevic ? ~~~~ ? http://thestainofpoetry.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/friday-august-29-2008-700-pm/ http://thestainofpoetry.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/friday-august-29-2008-700-pm/ http://thestainofpoetry.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/friday-august-29-2008-700-pm/ ? 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Hal "Once upon a time Baltimore was necessary." --Gertrude Stein Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Aug 1, 2008, at 11:08 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 15:28, Bob Grumman but.net> wrote: >> Basinski is one of my Major Poets, and I love these three things of >> his. >> I'm not sure I'd call them poems, though. >> > > I like 'em, though I usually see such things categorized as collage... > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Aug 2 11:06:03 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <489477DB.20304@nut-n-but.net> Chris Lott wrote: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 15:28, Bob Grumman wrote: > >> Basinski is one of my Major Poets, and I love these three things of his. >> I'm not sure I'd call them poems, though. >> >> > > I like 'em, though I usually see such things categorized as collage... > > c > > We agree--although I'd have to see the things life-size to determine if their texts fuse with their graphics enough to seem visual poems to me. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IF one is to believe their essays, which are a thing of the past for me, thank you. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573@N08/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080802/8b1f5dbb/attachment.html From chris.lott at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 11:42:01 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0808020842o5a5df196i8e312790947a307e@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 06:00, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Isn't collage a technique--one of many that poets, > novelists, composers, and visual artists may use? > Works for me. Jim's note reminded me of a friend of my daughter's who asked for a letter of reference from me because she was "collage bound." c From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Aug 2 12:04:54 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: <648208b60808020812w2dc5f249sd35419d464d7307b@mail.gmail.com> References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net><9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60808020812w2dc5f249sd35419d464d7307b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03B6CFAD7009492486E500B807FEDA0D@AnnyPC> :-) with a cracking patacrack... ----- Original Message ----- From: James Cervantes To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: Isn't collage a technique--one of many that poets, novelists, composers, and visual artists may use? Apparently, also a technique used by students when they make the transition from high school to collage. IF one is to believe their essays, which are a thing of the past for me, thank you. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573@N08/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080802/b10e40b1/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Aug 2 14:31:37 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0808020842o5a5df196i8e312790947a307e@mail.gmail.com> References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> <9b1b9dab0808020842o5a5df196i8e312790947a307e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4894A809.7010902@opus40.org> Or my grandson, who informed me that if you were out in the desert without water, you might see a collage. Chris Lott wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 06:00, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Isn't collage a technique--one of many that poets, >> novelists, composers, and visual artists may use? >> >> > > Works for me. Jim's note reminded me of a friend of my daughter's who > asked for a letter of reference from me because she was "collage > bound." > > c > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From rog3r.day at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 05:03:16 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: <489477DB.20304@nut-n-but.net> References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> <489477DB.20304@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: aren't texts a graphic use of the desert collage? On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > Chris Lott wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 15:28, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > Basinski is one of my Major Poets, and I love these three things of his. > I'm not sure I'd call them poems, though. > > > > I like 'em, though I usually see such things categorized as collage... > > c > > > > We agree--although I'd have to see the things life-size to determine if > their texts fuse with their graphics enough to seem visual poems to me. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Aug 3 07:52:06 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Anthony and Scarlet and the soldier Message-ID: <5B8CB8E0BCF14D49A7C5FBACFBDEAA5E@AnnyPC> Jargon wanted her toy back. She had thrown it away because she did not want it any more. As it always happened with her. Things lasted several hours, and then she crushed them against the wall or against whatever surface was available, and threw them away. A company of puppeteers was passing by. Heaped up together with the garbage a strange mechanical device shone in its broken parts. A child of the company saw it and pointed to it, started gasping in his tiny voice: "I want it, I want it." The horses sneered, the heat engulfed them with its fierce fist, and they made the horses interrupt their slow monotonous walking litany. The father of the kid embraced his son, almost as if in fear, got off his horse with the kid, and let him get to the toy to pick it up. That is how the broken metallic soldier became property of the puppeteers. Jargon in her dirty hut could not see, she was sleeping, her face made almost black by the mosquitoes, the ants running all around. She dreamt of being the queen of pataphysical lands where all the people knelt in front of her, and brought her dolls and maidens and soldiers and puppets, and she took them by their arms, their legs, their heads and smashed them against the walls, the columns, and then laughed and laughed. She was having happy dreams. The caravan continued under the heat. There were about twenty people involved in the tiny job of making children laugh, all related by blood ties. Their ancestors had lost whatever they were able to gather in the Big Storm that had uprooted their miserable possessions and had whirled them out into the skies. The rest was eaten down by the ocean. Some of their relatives had followed their belongings, yelling in the screaming voice of the enraging winds or unable to fight back to shore, their survival instincts made numb by the violence of the dark viscous waves. That is why the eldest, barely thirty, decided they had to live on the land, distant from the water, "Death by Water," he commented, and used the words to kill the bad on stage by letting the hated puppet drown into a cup of water. An artifice he thought would free the spirit of his ancestors and free him from the mean and from misery. They had heard of the big Fair of Saint Joseph and were heading to it in search of something to eat, some coins to start rebuilding their lives, their scars well visible on their wrinkled faces, their white hair and unpractical manners when joy and celebrations got closer. The women on the carriage when feeding infants and children, talked of stories and stories, and the younger assembled pieces of wood and the women again clothed them with colored rags, to make people believe they had a soul, and a soul they had because in the long freezing nights every one of the company in their intimacy, talked to them, and told them stories, and shared dreams and wishes. When on stage the puppets introduced themselves: "I am Anthony, the musician, I love Scarlet, the lady in Red." And Anthony conquered not only Scarlet, but also the myriad of hungry kids that sat in front of the tiny stage behind which the men of the company took place, their fingers tangled with threads that once in a while broke or got twisted with the threads of the other puppet, or stuck into a protruding nail or splinters of the rough cage used as the setting for the infinite stories some distant gods had sent to the company to survive driven by pity in front of those eyes open at night bearing concave stomachs. The grounds of the fair were bustling with life. People were carrying cows, and sheep, and donkeys. A man had three horses, and he was saying around that he would give them away to the best offer and would wait till the very end of the fair, due after an entire week, because those were exceptional horses. And exceptional they were, black and proud they towered from their height and sneered and shitted magnificently. And a horde of women came with their children and pans and knives and fruits and small round forms of white cheese and sat down on the earth, one close to the other and started peeling fruits and setting ears of corn on the grate and a gentle smell of things to eat first appeared in the air, and grew and grew and people remembered they were hungry and looked for some smoke to identify the place where someone was cooking. The company found a spot they thought was central enough to get as many people passing by interested in their show. They set up their signs, their little cages, the tent, and it seemed that indeed, many would be in joining them as soon as the sun set and the stars chilled the horizon from the burning light. And many arrived to offer their tiny dirty coins out of curiosity, or drawn by the wish of sharing emotions with the others, or to lengthen their day with another illusion before death engulfed them, many of them young, and many even younger, in its all-embracing arms. And Anthony came out on the open stage with his story, and Scarlet, and Yellow, and Ouroborous, and Laine, and Lance, and the kids started laughing, and the adults were taken by the laughter of the children and they roared and when finally the Snake was seized in "Death by Water" as announced by the deep soprano voice of the elder, an incredible multitude of hands started clapping and lips whistling and everybody felt as if justice had blessed Earth and that from then on everything would have followed the wish of man and destiny would have subdued its course to good intentions and love and caring, and that the sun on the following day would have been graceful to them because Water had taken away the mean. They performed also on the following night, and were somehow able to change their stories so that those who came back to the show would think their money was worth spending, and the story of Anthony continued that by now he had a family with Scarlet who was more and more beautiful. The child insisted that the broken soldier should appear, polished as he was by the care he had taken of him. "He has only one arm and one leg and half a broken head," observed his father. "You don't have to show him facing the crowd, insisted the kid, he can walk by the stage and meet Scarlet, he can be Scarlet's brother. Please, Daddy." He so much insisted that his father finally agreed. And on that night the soldier was to appear. When the narrow space under the tent was overfilled and children were sitting in their parents' arms and people were crammed all around, the show started. As soon as the soldier came on stage, Jargon, who had joined for the first time the audience, screamed: "That is my puppet, that is my puppet, they stole it from me!" and ran to the stage and seized her broken toy. But by so doing she also crashed the cage and tore the tiny rags that were used as curtains, and broke off the head of Scarlet and smashed in two poor Anthony, and stepped on the Snake, and let Yellow drop from its unstable position and a girl who was close-by picked it up and hid it into her pocket, and made such a mess that people started complaining and wanted their money back and raised their voices and the elder came out and tried to explain what had happened but nobody wanted to listen and anyhow they did not have any puppets any more and were forced to give back all what they had earned and on the following morning nobody greeted them and they had to leave. And the sun was shining high and the heat dried their words in their mouths. Jargon went back to her putrid hut, she cradled in her corner and finally realized she had the soldier in her arms, she took it by its only leg and smashed whatever was left of it against the wall. Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080803/b763832a/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 08:52:44 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> <489477DB.20304@nut-n-but.net> Message-ID: <648208b60808030552q5b11a203g3c06b3e081b99c88@mail.gmail.com> Experiential collages aside (my early college days were indeed collage), the collage used in writing cannot be of the same nature (or have the same impact) as that used in graphic arts, because in the graphic arts you are seeing the collage all at once, which can't happen with an art form with a linear, discursive format - it can't be all-at-once, though of course it could be if you had 2 or more performance folk reading 2 or more different pieces at the same time. Hard to approach the impact of Duchamp, Braque, Picasso, or Schwitters with a piece of writing, however. Then there are Joseph Cornell's boxes, which are a three-dimensional collage, as well as mixed media, another kind of collage, I think. There's collage, and then there's collage. - Jim On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Roger Day wrote: > > aren't texts a graphic use of the desert collage? > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Chris Lott wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 15:28, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > > > > Basinski is one of my Major Poets, and I love these three things of his. > > I'm not sure I'd call them poems, though. > > > > > > > > I like 'em, though I usually see such things categorized as collage... > > > > c > > > > > > > > We agree--although I'd have to see the things life-size to determine if > > their texts fuse with their graphics enough to seem visual poems to me. > > > > --Bob G. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > -- > My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ > "I began to warm and chill > to objects and their fields" > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080803/8392dded/attachment.html From rog3r.day at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 11:59:17 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: <648208b60808030552q5b11a203g3c06b3e081b99c88@mail.gmail.com> References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> <489477DB.20304@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60808030552q5b11a203g3c06b3e081b99c88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You're right about the Single Big Impressive Image, but all because collagists did not produce works as you describe doesn't mean you couldnt. As a possible prototype, the Bayeux tapestry is a large collage of instances sewn up as a single thread. Cy Twombly's large canvas scribblings, for example. I don't think Cy Twombly intended this to happen, but I don't think it matters. Seeing his canvases together does seem to make them a non-singular experience. You're right about literature though, however, the plastic arts are very plastic. I thought, once, that image and text were modal operations. Not so sure now. I tend to go from the image into the word, rather than the word into the image. Something like, the word being the image given fixed meaning. I hate boundaries. Roger On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > Experiential collages aside (my early college days were indeed collage), the > collage used in writing cannot be of the same nature (or have the same > impact) as that used in graphic arts, because in the graphic arts you are > seeing the collage all at once, which can't happen with an art form with a > linear, discursive format - it can't be all-at-once, though of course it > could be if you had 2 or more performance folk reading 2 or more different > pieces at the same time. > > Hard to approach the impact of Duchamp, Braque, Picasso, or Schwitters with > a piece of writing, however. Then there are Joseph Cornell's boxes, which > are a three-dimensional collage, as well as mixed media, another kind of > collage, I think. > > There's collage, and then there's collage. > > - Jim > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Roger Day wrote: >> >> aren't texts a graphic use of the desert collage? >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Bob Grumman >> wrote: >> > Chris Lott wrote: >> > >> > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 15:28, Bob Grumman >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > Basinski is one of my Major Poets, and I love these three things of his. >> > I'm not sure I'd call them poems, though. >> > >> > >> > >> > I like 'em, though I usually see such things categorized as collage... >> > >> > c >> > >> > >> > >> > We agree--although I'd have to see the things life-size to determine if >> > their texts fuse with their graphics enough to seem visual poems to me. >> > >> > --Bob G. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New-Poetry mailing list >> > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ >> "I began to warm and chill >> to objects and their fields" >> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From jforjames at aol.com Mon Aug 4 17:12:18 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kleinzahler's bad rep Message-ID: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sfpoet28-2008jul28,0,2422483.story with his fighting words, and ways. By John M. Glionna, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer July 28, 2008 SAN FRANCISCO -- August Kleinzahler gets into fights at poetry readings. Once, in Ireland, he traded insults with a host he found verbose. At a reading in a New York bar, he told a noisy drunk to shut his trap. Fists flew after the guy made a crack about Kleinzahler's coat, a sentimental hand-me-down from his father. Kleinzahler goes to readings because he is a poet. He just doesn't act like one. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080804/e2b00deb/attachment.html From oedipa at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 17:18:26 2008 From: oedipa at gmail.com (karen) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kleinzahler's bad rep In-Reply-To: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I couldn't help but laugh when I read this. Reminds me of the story about Wallace Stevens trading jabs down in Florida with Hemingway...at least according to legend. For the record, I like August. His poetry and his oddities. I've met him a few times. A bit of a character, but he was always interesting to be around. k On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, wrote: > http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sfpoet28-2008jul28,0,2422483.story > with his fighting words, and ways. > By John M. Glionna, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer > July 28, 2008 > SAN FRANCISCO -- August Kleinzahler gets into fights at poetry readings. > Once, in Ireland, he traded insults with a host he found verbose. At a > reading in a New York bar, he told a noisy drunk to shut his trap. Fists > flew after the guy made a crack about Kleinzahler's coat, a sentimental > hand-me-down from his father. > > Kleinzahler goes to readings because he is a poet. He just doesn't act like > one. > ------------------------------ > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make > the grade on AOL Shopping > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080804/bbc76f62/attachment.html From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 17:19:49 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:44 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kleinzahler's bad rep In-Reply-To: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Makes me wonder what poets DO act like, James. Hal "If you can't stand Byzantine intrigue, get out of the cabal." --New Yorker cartoon Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Aug 4, 2008, at 4:12 PM, JforJames@aol.com wrote: > http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sfpoet28-2008jul28,0,2422483.story > with his fighting words, and ways. > By John M. Glionna, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer > July 28, 2008 > SAN FRANCISCO -- August Kleinzahler gets into fights at poetry > readings. > Once, in Ireland, he traded insults with a host he found verbose. At > a reading in a New York bar, he told a noisy drunk to shut his trap. > Fists flew after the guy made a crack about Kleinzahler's coat, a > sentimental hand-me-down from his father. > > Kleinzahler goes to readings because he is a poet. He just doesn't > act like one. > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets > that make the grade on AOL Shopping. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080804/dd23950a/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Mon Aug 4 17:21:15 2008 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kleinzahler's bad rep Message-ID: I think he take this tough guy thing waaaayyy too seriously. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Except for you of course.... k On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Makes me wonder what poets DO act like, James. > Hal > > "If you can't stand Byzantine intrigue, > get out of the cabal." > --New Yorker cartoon > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 4:12 PM, JforJames@aol.com wrote: > > http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sfpoet28-2008jul28,0,2422483.story > with his fighting words, and ways. > By John M. Glionna, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer > July 28, 2008 > SAN FRANCISCO -- August Kleinzahler gets into fights at poetry readings. > Once, in Ireland, he traded insults with a host he found verbose. At a > reading in a New York bar, he told a noisy drunk to shut his trap. Fists > flew after the guy made a crack about Kleinzahler's coat, a sentimental > hand-me-down from his father. > > Kleinzahler goes to readings because he is a poet. He just doesn't act like > one. > ------------------------------ > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make > the grade on AOL Shopping > . > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080804/75858b85/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Aug 4 17:33:55 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> <489477DB.20304@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60808030552q5b11a203g3c06b3e081b99c88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAC490EE80A07B-1438-2DA6@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> In writing,?rather than a true 'collage' effect, the introduction of the found/grafted elements, works?more like 'sampling' inserted or layered into?musical recordings. It would be nice if multi-track?hearing/reading were possible. Since it's not really,?layering can quickly become illegible/garbled. (Sometimes?a palimpsest effect is possible using contrasting inks or variable font sizes, but then you're tilting in vizpo). Which leaves insertion, and some sound/sense?resonance with the text proceeding or following the inserted element. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Roger Day Sent: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:59 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry You're right about the Single Big Impressive Image, but all because collagists did not produce works as you describe doesn't mean you couldnt. As a possible prototype, the Bayeux tapestry is a large collage of instances sewn up as a single thread. Cy Twombly's large canvas scribblings, for example. I don't think Cy Twombly intended this to happen, but I don't think it matters. Seeing his canvases together does seem to make them a non-singular experience. You're right about literature though, however, the plastic arts are very plastic. I thought, once, that image and text were modal operations. Not so sure now. I tend to go from the image into the word, rather than the word into the image. Something like, the word being the image given fixed meaning. I hate boundaries. Roger On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > Experiential collages aside (my early college days were indeed collage), the > collage used in writing cannot be of the same nature (or have the same > impact) as that used in graphic arts, because in the graphic arts you are > seeing the collage all at once, which can't happen with an art form with a > linear, discursive format - it can't be all-at-once, though of course it > could be if you had 2 or more performance folk reading 2 or more different > pieces at the same time. > > Hard to approach the impact of Duchamp, Braque, Picasso, or Schwitters with > a piece of writing, however. Then there are Joseph Cornell's boxes, which > are a three-dimensional collage, as well as mixed media, another kind of > collage, I think. > > There's collage, and then there's collage. > > - Jim > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Roger Day wrote: >> >> aren't texts a graphic use of the desert collage? >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Bob Grumman >> wrote: >> > Chris Lott wrote: >> > >> > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 15:28, Bob Grumman >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > Basinski is one of my Major Poets , and I love these three things of his. >> > I'm not sure I'd call them poems, though. >> > >> > >> > >> > I like 'em, though I usually see such things categorized as collage... >> > >> > c >> > >> > >> > >> > We agree--although I'd have to see the things life-size to determine if >> > their texts fuse with their graphics enough to seem visual poems to me. >> > >> > --Bob G. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New-Poetry mailing list >> > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ >> "I began to warm and chill >> to objects and their fields" >> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080804/5033af5b/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Aug 4 18:00:58 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kleinzahler's bad rep In-Reply-To: References: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CAC494B61FF69E-1438-2FC7@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Now here's a poet who could really throw the leather... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Cravan http://www.trocadero.com/MuseXX/items/356158/item356158store.html I seem to remember hearing that James Joyce, when out drinking in Paris cafes with EH, would sometimes get cross-wise with a fellow patron, then Joyce would?pivot nimbly?behind one of Hemingway's shoulder and exhort, "Deal with him, Hemingway!" Or something to that effect. Boxing/fisticuffs poems anyone? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: karen Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Kleinzahler's bad rep I couldn't help but laugh when I read this.? Reminds me of the story about Wallace Stevens trading jabs down in Florida with Hemingway...at least according to legend.? For the record, I like August.? His poetry and his oddities.? I've met him a few times.? A bit of a character, but he was always interesting to be around. k On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sfpoet28-2008jul28,0,2422483.story with his fighting words, and ways. By John M. Glionna, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer July 28, 2008 SAN FRANCISCO -- August Kleinzahler gets into fights at poetry readings. Once, in Ireland, he traded insults with a host he found verbose. At a reading in a New York bar, he told a noisy drunk to shut his trap. Fists flew after the guy made a crack about Kleinzahler's coat, a sentimental hand-me-down from his father. Kleinzahler goes to readings because he is a poet. He just doesn't act like one. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080804/1d65e0e4/attachment.html From rog3r.day at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 18:07:49 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: <8CAC490EE80A07B-1438-2DA6@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> <489477DB.20304@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60808030552q5b11a203g3c06b3e081b99c88@mail.gmail.com> <8CAC490EE80A07B-1438-2DA6@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Collage in writing - to my limited understanding - is usually a disjoint set of phrases. Burroughs cut-ups, etc. Sound-sense not required, indeed, discouraged by it's very disjointedness. An anti-music if you will. Heading into the visual, into collage, vizpo begins to be indiscernible from collage. Indeed, looking at the work that started this thread, it is collage. Looked at from this angle, "visual poetry" begins to occupy a very tiny plinth, almost disappearing up it's own fundamental. Roger On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:33 PM, wrote: > In writing, rather than a true 'collage' effect, the introduction of the > found/grafted elements, works more like 'sampling' inserted or layered > into musical recordings. It would be nice if multi-track hearing/reading > were possible. Since it's not really, layering can quickly become > illegible/garbled. (Sometimes a palimpsest effect is possible using > contrasting inks or variable font sizes, but then you're tilting in vizpo). > Which leaves insertion, and some sound/sense resonance with the text > proceeding or following the inserted element. > Finnegan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Day > Sent: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:59 am > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry > > You're right about the Single Big Impressive Image, but all because > collagists did not produce works as you describe doesn't mean you > couldnt. As a possible prototype, the Bayeux tapestry is a large > collage of instances sewn up as a single thread. Cy Twombly's large > canvas scribblings, for example. I don't think Cy Twombly intended > this to happen, but I don't think it matters. Seeing his canvases > together does seem to make them a non-singular experience. You're > right about literature though, however, the plastic arts are very > plastic. > > I thought, once, that image and text were modal operations. Not so > sure now. I tend to go from the image into the word, rather than the > word into the image. Something like, the word being the image given > fixed meaning. > > I hate boundaries. > > Roger > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM, James Cervantes > wrote: >> Experiential collages aside (my early college days were indeed collage), >> the >> collage used in writing cannot be of the same nature (or have the same >> impact) as that used in graphic arts, because in the graphic arts you are >> seeing the collage all at once, which can't happen with an art form with a >> linear, discursive format - it can't be all-at-once, though of course it >> could be if you had 2 or more performance folk reading 2 or more different >> pieces at the same time. >> >> Hard to approach the impact of Duchamp, Braque, Picasso, or Schwitters >> with >> a piece of writing, however. Then there are Joseph Cornell's boxes, which >> are a three-dimensional collage, as well as mixed media, another kind of >> collage, I think. >> >> There's collage, and then there's collage. >> >> - Jim >> >> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Roger Day wrote: >>> >>> aren't texts a graphic use of the desert collage? >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Bob Grumman >>> wrote: >>> > Chris Lott wrote: >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 15:28, Bob Grumman >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Basinski is one of my Major Poets, and I love these three things of >>> > his. >>> > I'm not sure I'd call them poems, though. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I like 'em, though I usually see such things categorized as collage... >>> > >>> > c >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > We agree--although I'd have to see the things life-size to determine if >>> > their texts fuse with their graphics enough to seem visual poems to me. >>> > >>> > --Bob G. >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > New-Poetry mailing list >>> > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ >>> "I began to warm and chill >>> to objects and their fields" >>> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > -- > My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ > "I began to warm and chill > to objects and their fields" > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ________________________________ > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make > the grade on AOL Shopping. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From jforjames at aol.com Mon Aug 4 18:41:58 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> <489477DB.20304@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60808030552q5b11a203g3c06b3e081b99c88@mail.gmail.com> <8CAC490EE80A07B-1438-2DA6@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CAC49A6FFD499F-1438-3275@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Wouldn't you say that in visual art that the?collage elements, generally speaking,?can still be individually recognized? Like a torn corner of sheet music,?an swatch of ornate wallpaper, a train schedule,?a flattened beer can, etc. In most art collages there is both the 'all-at-once' effect that Jim C mentioned, but also a very compelling draw to look closely at the elements themselves,?to mentally isolate certain bits & pieces, even to the point of ?'reading' the words (when words are part of a particular element. That may or may not be true in text cut-ups, particularly if you are using single words/half phrases from an obscure?text. If you cut up?a speech from Hamlet and rearrange the words/phrases, they're likely to retain some echo or familiarity. Not so much if the pieces come from page 4 of two-year old?newspaper. In music you now have mashups, too...is there an?analog in poetry? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Roger Day Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry Collage in writing - to my limited understanding - is usually a disjoint set of phrases. Burroughs cut-ups, etc. Sound-sense not required, indeed, discouraged by it's very disjointedness. An anti-music if you will. Heading into the visual, into collage, vizpo begins to be indiscernible from collage. Indeed, looking at the work that started this thread, it is collage. Looked at from this angle, "visual poetry" begins to occupy a very tiny plinth, almost disappearing up it's own fundamental. Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080804/eb30b05e/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 18:55:56 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kleinzahler's bad rep In-Reply-To: References: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60808041555h60ae5f22t12fb65c53a21aa94@mail.gmail.com> Loaded question, no? What kind of "action" does poetry require (assuming poets reflect it)? Actually, I suspect that was a rhetorical question. - Jim On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Makes me wonder what poets DO act like, James. > Hal > > "If you can't stand Byzantine intrigue, > get out of the cabal." > --New Yorker cartoon > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.orghttp://home.earthlink.net/~ > halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 4:12 PM, JforJames@aol.com wrote: > > http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sfpoet28-2008jul28,0,2422483.story > with his fighting words, and ways. > By John M. Glionna, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer > July 28, 2008 > SAN FRANCISCO -- August Kleinzahler gets into fights at poetry readings. > Once, in Ireland, he traded insults with a host he found verbose. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080804/6122e7e0/attachment.html From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 19:01:41 2008 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: <8CAC49A6FFD499F-1438-3275@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> <489477DB.20304@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60808030552q5b11a203g3c06b3e081b99c88@mail.gmail.com> <8CAC490EE80A07B-1438-2DA6@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> <8CAC49A6FFD499F-1438-3275@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60808041601tea75c49v79e101e8651dbcba@mail.gmail.com> Well, there's the problem, as I see it: In writing, "collage" can only be offered as a series of snippets. Putting torn bits of print into an assemblage of graphic art is collage, but the sort expected of graphic/plastic arts. Overlaying spoken poetry, as if it were a canon or fugue by Bach, would come closer to being a collage of the word. But I think that's been done. Can't recall a specific example at the moment. - Jim On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:41 PM, wrote: > Wouldn't you say that in visual art that the collage elements, generally > speaking, can still be individually recognized? Like a torn corner of sheet > music, an swatch of ornate wallpaper, a train schedule, a flattened beer > can, etc. In most art collages there is both the 'all-at-once' effect that > Jim C mentioned, but also a very compelling draw to look closely at the > elements themselves, to mentally isolate certain bits & pieces, even to the > point of 'reading' the words (when words are part of a particular element. > > That may or may not be true in text cut-ups, particularly if you are using > single words/half phrases from an obscure text. If you cut up a speech from > Hamlet and rearrange the words/phrases, they're likely to retain some echo > or familiarity. Not so much if the pieces come from page 4 of two-year > old newspaper. > > In music you now have mashups, too...is there an analog in poetry? > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Day < rog3r.day@gmail.com> > Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 6:07 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry > > Collage in writing - to my limited understanding - is usually a > disjoint set of phrases. Burroughs cut-ups, etc. Sound-sense not > required, indeed, discouraged by it's very disjointedness. An > anti-music if you will. > > Heading into the visual, into collage, vizpo begins to be > indiscernible from collage. Indeed, looking at the work that started > this thread, it is collage. Looked at from this angle, "visual poetry" > begins to occupy a very tiny plinth, almost disappearing up it's own > fundamental. > > Roger > > > ------------------------------ > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make > the grade on AOL Shopping > . > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080804/4a71f2c8/attachment.html From rog3r.day at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 19:18:11 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: <8CAC49A6FFD499F-1438-3275@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> References: <488D04AD.2050702@nut-n-but.net> <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> <489477DB.20304@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60808030552q5b11a203g3c06b3e081b99c88@mail.gmail.com> <8CAC490EE80A07B-1438-2DA6@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> <8CAC49A6FFD499F-1438-3275@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: To your first paragraph ... yes, no and maybe. Shouldn't you be looking at the relationship between individual bits? That seems as important if not more than the whole or the individual bits. To your second paragraph, yes and no. Burroughs cut-up his own books. So no. Cut-ups can find phrases you didn't intend. To your third paragraph, I have tried writing a mash-up. Deliberately taking other writers words and mixing it. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to find out which poems I ripped off. When I grew strong to climb over the high stone wall the mind put on it's sword like a Leviathan astert till it's coil like a thistle' leafs a labyrinth celled and waxed pain no more ballads in Eynhallow the wind wanders like an old man who has lost his mind or else I'm dreaming' deep and canna waukan but it's a fell queer dream if this is so a real hillside, the roar of rage and the yell of hate the barking of dogs, the howling of wolves. Who tonight is paying the old accustomed tax of common blood? Iraq and Afghanistan, Belsen and Dachau. Rotterdam, the Clyde and Prague, Salah ed Dinal Ayyubi before a court sharp sword Mathesons of Loch Lash the hardy soldiers of the enemy my brother the soldier Roger On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:41 PM, wrote: > Wouldn't you say that in visual art that the collage elements, generally > speaking, can still be individually recognized? Like a torn corner of sheet > music, an swatch of ornate wallpaper, a train schedule, a flattened beer > can, etc. In most art collages there is both the 'all-at-once' effect that > Jim C mentioned, but also a very compelling draw to look closely at the > elements themselves, to mentally isolate certain bits & pieces, even to the > point of 'reading' the words (when words are part of a particular element. > > That may or may not be true in text cut-ups, particularly if you are using > single words/half phrases from an obscure text. If you cut up a speech from > Hamlet and rearrange the words/phrases, they're likely to retain some echo > or familiarity. Not so much if the pieces come from page 4 of two-year > old newspaper. > > In music you now have mashups, too...is there an analog in poetry? > Finnegan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Day > Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 6:07 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry > > Collage in writing - to my limited understanding - is usually a > disjoint set of phrases. Burroughs cut-ups, etc. Sound-sense not > required, indeed, discouraged by it's very disjointedness. An > anti-music if you will. > > Heading into the visual, into collage, vizpo begins to be > indiscernible from collage. Indeed, looking at the work that started > this thread, it is collage. Looked at from this angle, "visual poetry" > begins to occupy a very tiny plinth, almost disappearing up it's own > fundamental. > > Roger > > ________________________________ > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make > the grade on AOL Shopping. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From rog3r.day at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 19:24:11 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:45 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry In-Reply-To: <648208b60808041601tea75c49v79e101e8651dbcba@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b1b9dab0808012108yd52a0c6sf57ab1e65ba4e552@mail.gmail.com> <489477DB.20304@nut-n-but.net> <648208b60808030552q5b11a203g3c06b3e081b99c88@mail.gmail.com> <8CAC490EE80A07B-1438-2DA6@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> <8CAC49A6FFD499F-1438-3275@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> <648208b60808041601tea75c49v79e101e8651dbcba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "snippets", yes, a good phrase that. Poor old Apollinaire, writing snippets all those years. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:01 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > Well, there's the problem, as I see it: In writing, "collage" can only be > offered as a series of snippets. Putting torn bits of print into an > assemblage of graphic art is collage, but the sort expected of > graphic/plastic arts. Overlaying spoken poetry, as if it were a canon or > fugue by Bach, would come closer to being a collage of the word. But I > think that's been done. Can't recall a specific example at the moment. > - Jim > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:41 PM, wrote: >> >> Wouldn't you say that in visual art that the collage elements, generally >> speaking, can still be individually recognized? Like a torn corner of sheet >> music, an swatch of ornate wallpaper, a train schedule, a flattened beer >> can, etc. In most art collages there is both the 'all-at-once' effect that >> Jim C mentioned, but also a very compelling draw to look closely at the >> elements themselves, to mentally isolate certain bits & pieces, even to the >> point of 'reading' the words (when words are part of a particular element. >> >> That may or may not be true in text cut-ups, particularly if you are using >> single words/half phrases from an obscure text. If you cut up a speech from >> Hamlet and rearrange the words/phrases, they're likely to retain some echo >> or familiarity. Not so much if the pieces come from page 4 of two-year >> old newspaper. >> >> In music you now have mashups, too...is there an analog in poetry? >> Finnegan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger Day < rog3r.day@gmail.com> >> Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 6:07 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Visual poetry >> >> Collage in writing - to my limited understanding - is usually a >> disjoint set of phrases. Burroughs cut-ups, etc. Sound-sense not >> required, indeed, discouraged by it's very disjointedness. An >> anti-music if you will. >> >> Heading into the visual, into collage, vizpo begins to be >> indiscernible from collage. Indeed, looking at the work that started >> this thread, it is collage. Looked at from this angle, "visual poetry" >> begins to occupy a very tiny plinth, almost disappearing up it's own >> fundamental. >> >> Roger >> >> ________________________________ >> It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that >> make the grade on AOL Shopping. >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 19:26:10 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:46 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kleinzahler's bad rep In-Reply-To: References: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Well, you've got it right there, Karen. But, believe it or not, beneath my clothes I'm very well dressed, even though I don't act it. Hal "Am I wrong, or are fewer and fewer people using the word 'Weltschmerz' these days?" --Christopher Howell Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Aug 4, 2008, at 4:22 PM, karen wrote: > Hal, > > In my experience, they are always well-dressed and act accordingly. > Except for you of course.... > > k > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Halvard Johnson > wrote: > Makes me wonder what poets DO act like, James. > > Hal > > "If you can't stand Byzantine intrigue, > get out of the cabal." > --New Yorker cartoon > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 4:12 PM, JforJames@aol.com wrote: > >> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sfpoet28-2008jul28,0,2422483.story >> with his fighting words, and ways. >> By John M. Glionna, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer >> July 28, 2008 >> SAN FRANCISCO -- August Kleinzahler gets into fights at poetry >> readings. >> Once, in Ireland, he traded insults with a host he found verbose. >> At a reading in a New York bar, he told a noisy drunk to shut his >> trap. Fists flew after the guy made a crack about Kleinzahler's >> coat, a sentimental hand-me-down from his father. >> >> Kleinzahler goes to readings because he is a poet. He just doesn't >> act like one. >> It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets >> that make the grade on AOL Shopping. >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He is the author of ?The Day Underneath the Day,? and ?The Second Person.? He is currently completing a third book manuscript of poems titled ?TORN.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080804/c5d245cf/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Mon Aug 4 21:01:47 2008 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:46 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kleinzahler's bad rep Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/2008 4:20:31 PM Central Daylight Time, halvard@earthlink.net writes: > > Makes me wonder what poets DO act like, James. > > We must lie upon the daisies and discourse in idle phrases On our complicated states of mind, For it doesn't really matter, for it's only idle chatter Of a transcendental kind . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The MFA Writing Program is sponsoring the reading, which begins 8 p.m. in the Faculty Center on College Avenue. It is free and open to the public; a reception and book signing will follow. Young practices medicine full-time, serves as Poetry Editor of the New England Review, and teaches in the Warren Wilson College MFA Program for Writers. He is the author of ?The Day Underneath the Day,? and ?The Second Person.? He is currently completing a third book manuscript of poems titled ?TORN.? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's time to go back to school! 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Please join us for a conference devoted to the literary and cultural legacy of the Beat Generation: "The Beat Generation Symposium," co-sponsored by the Beat Studies Association, the Columbia College Chicago English Department and Provost's Office, Columbia College's Ellen Stone Belic Institute for the Study of Women and Gender in the Arts and Media, and the Illinois State University Department of English and College of Liberal Arts and Sciences. Friday, October 10, and Saturday, October 11, 2008. Location: Columbia College Chicago, Film Row Theater (1104 South Wabash Avenue, 8th floor). This is an academic Beat Studies conference to be held in conjunction with the Columbia College's Center for the Book and Paper Arts's Fall 2008 display of the Jack Kerouac ON THE ROAD manuscript scroll. The Beat Generation Symposium features panel discussions each day, with poetry readings by Joanne Kyger (October 10) and Diane di Prima (October 11). The readings are free and open to the public. Joanne Kyger, a native California writer, is the author of over 20 books of poetry. She is known for her ties to the poets of Black Mountain College, the San Francisco Renaissance, and the Beat Generation. Her most recent books are About Now: Collected Poems, 1957-2004 (National Poetry Foundation, 2007) and Not Veracruz (Libellum Press, 2007). She taught for many years at Naropa University's poetics program, and The New College of San Francisco. She lives on the coast north of San Francisco. Diane di Prima lives and works in San Francisco. She is the author of 43 books of poetry and prose, and her work has been translated into more than 20 languages. Recent publications include Recollections of My Life as a Woman (Penguin, 2002) and an expanded edition of Revolutionary Letters (Last Gasp Press, 2007). In 2006 di Prima received the Fred Cody Award for Lifetime Achievement and community service from the Northern California Book Critics Association. Panelists include John Bryant, Peter Cook, Terrance Diggory, Jane Falk, Amy Friedman, Deborah R. Geis, Nancy M. Grace, Tim Hunt, Rob Johnson, Ronna Johnson, Hassan Melehy, Timothy Murphy, Jennie Skerl, Matt Theado, Tony Trigilio, and more. The weekend of the symposium, there will be a related offsite reading by Michael Rothenberg (Unhurried Vision) and David Meltzer (David's Copy) sponsored by Myopic Books and the Poetry Center of Chicago. Sunday, October 12, 7:00 p.m. Myopic Books, 1564 N Milwaukee Ave, in Chicago's Wicker Park neighborhood. Conference fee for those who pre-register by September 1: $50 ($25 for Graduate Students, Independent Scholars, and Retired Faculty). After September 1, the fees are $100 and $50. Checks should be made payable to Columbia College Chicago, and should be sent to: Columbia Ticket Center 33 East Congress St., Suite 610 Chicago, IL 60605 Ph: 312-344-6600 (fax 312-344-8470) columbiatickets@colum.edu To register by credit card, call the Columbia Ticket Office at the number above, or register online at: www.colum.edu/tickets/index.php A limited number of hotel rooms are available at the Homewood Suites by Hilton Chicago-Downtown, 40 East Grand Avenue, Chicago. This hotel is a very short cab or subway ride from the Columbia campus. The Homewood Suites prepared a special link for us to book online. Just click below and you'll find directions for reserving a room: http://homewoodsuites.hilton.com/en/hw/groups/personalized/CHIHWHW-CL-20081009/index.jhtml It's important that you book your room as soon as possible, as the Chicago Marathon is taking place October 12. (We only discovered this convergence recently, after we'd already booked the featured readers.) A Visitor's Guide for the Beat Symposium is pasted below, with a list of nearby hotels. Columbia College Chicago is located downtown, in the heart of the city's South Loop neighborhood, and is easily accessible from these hotels by foot or cab. All major subway/El trains come into the South Loop, too, so it's possible to book hotels in other parts of the city and make it to the Symposium without difficulty. Mention that you're a Columbia College Chicago visitor to receive discounted rates at some of these hotels. It's crucial to book as soon as possible because of the marathon. For more information, contact Tony Trigilio at ttrigilio@colum.edu (312-344-8138). VISITOR'S GUIDE: THE BEAT GENERATION SYMPOSIUM Airports: O'Hare Airport (western suburbs) and Midway Airport (southern suburbs) are the two airports servicing the Chicgao area. They are approximately equidistant from Columbia College. Transportation: >From Midway Airport, take the Orange Line elevated train to Adams Street. From there, walk south on Wabash until you reach Congress Parkway. From O'Hare Airport, take the Blue Line to La Salle. Walk East on Congress (away from the Chicago Stock Exchange Building, which you'll see upon emerging from the subway) until you reach Wabash (about 5 short blocks). Use www.transitchicago.com's free Trip Planner service to plan the rest of your trips while you're here. Simply enter your starting point and destination, and Trip Planner gives you detailed directions. As of 2008, fares are $2.00 one-way with a $0.25 transfer. Each train station has kiosks where you can buy transit cards and reload them (cash only). The Blue Line and Red Line run 24/7; the other lines stop running for a few hours late at night. Taxis are available throughout the city. From Midway Airport to the English Department, cab fare would be approximately $25 and from O'Hare Airport cab fare would be approximately $50. If you need to call a cab, call (773) or (312) TAXICAB. Metra Trains service suburban areas. Visit www.metrarail.com for an updated schedule and fare list. NEARBY HOTELS The Hilton and Towers 722 S Michigan Ave (0.2 miles from the English Department) (312) 922-4400 The Palmer House Hilton 17 E Monroe St (0.4 miles away) (312) 726-7500 or 1-800-HILTONS The Best Western Grant Park 1100 S Michigan Ave (0.6 mi) (312) 922-2900 Travelodge 65 E Harrison St (0.1 mi) (312) 427-8000 Hotel Blake 500 S Dearborn St (0.3 mi) (312) 986-1234 www.hyatt.com Blackstone Hotel 819 S Wabash Ave # 606 (0.3 mi) (312) 447-0955 marriott.com The Silversmith Hotel 10 S Wabash Ave (0.4 mi) (312) 372-7696 silversmithchicagohotel.com Omni Ambassador East 1301 S State St (0.7 mi) (312) 787-3700 Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago-Downtown 600 North State Street (1.5 mi) (312) 943-3800 embassysuites.com Essex Inn Hotel 800 S Michigan Ave (0.3 mi) (312) 939-2800 essexinn.com Club Quarters: Hotel 111 W Adams St (0.4 mi) (312) 214-6400 clubquarters.com W Hotels-Chicago City Center 172 W Adams St (0.4 mi) (312) 332-1200 starwoodhotels.com Hostelling International Chicago 24 E Congress Pkwy (0.1 mi) (312) 360-0300 hichicago.org Paging and Bottom Toolbar Previous Item Next Item From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 17:57:10 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:46 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Miscellanea: Film and Language and Poetry, Oh My! In-Reply-To: <5A51B5C20BEE4A44886810B9FC07A502@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <97205.23405.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> POETRY:? BETTER THAN TEXTING! By Patrick Buckridge It's a strange thing, but in the current enthusiasm for creative writing courses in Australian universities, poetry - the oldest of the literary art forms - has been left out in the cold. In Brisbane, for example, Griffith, UQ and QUT all teach full Creative Writing programs, but I've heard of only one poetry-composition course (irregularly offered by the Brisbane poet Ross Clarke at QUT.) Maybe it's to do with the market: new poetry books certainly don't sell like fiction or media scripts. Maybe it's because so little poetry is read in high schools these days. Or maybe it's because poetry doesn't look like it would train business students in 'effective writing', in the way prose is conveniently supposed to do. Whatever the reason, it's a great pity, because reading, studying and writing poetry is easily the best way of learning to take pleasure in language. Cont'd here -- http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/21/2196324.htm? ~~~ Peter Gizzi: For me film language is closer to lyric poetry than it is to fiction. Most likely because I?m interested in both modes of expression. Film language is unavoidable?it?s part of our unconscious, our desires, memories, etc., and is very captivating and powerful. I went to NYU in my twenties to study film but quickly changed my major to literature and then ancient literature. Maybe now looking back I can see that the connection to ancient language and film has to do with origins of expression. Film is a relatively new language technology of our recent human history (i.e., we are in its early phases), and if silent film is like cuneiform or hieroglyph, we might say classic film language of the thirties and forties is like Greek and Latin. I don?t know?it?s just something I can see now. Like poetry, film tells a story by compressing time, and through an emotive, image-based structure. There is a syntax of images, a rhythm. And it works with light?a material light. Not a major observation, but still an endlessly fasinating medium?light I mean. It gives relief to a void or a darkness, opacity of being. In some way it makes a reality out of the darkness. I love the opening to Beckett?s late novel Company, too: ?A voice comes to one in the dark. Imagine.? That the book is titled Company but the voice comes to ?one.? It?s a wonderful description of how it is to be in a cinema, an inherently public experience?to be alone together connected by images and phantasms of light and shadow, dreams. But it?s also a wonderful correlative to being alone in one?s room, in one?s library, memory, alone together in one?s books, and a voice comes to one, and then a poem begins. A world comes to one. And for a moment you are your self and another becoming another thing, a poem. Cont'd here -- http://www.poems.com/special_features/prose/essay_gizzi.php _______ Recent http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml Alias http://www.amyking.org Your Suggestions http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080805/1a27b9a3/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Aug 5 20:22:14 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Kleinzahler's bad rep In-Reply-To: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <56B2EDBB-6E6D-40C0-94AE-02AAD755A9CD@ripon.edu> I'm a long-term fan of Kleinzahler's poetry, but he's a real bar-room bore when he talks about poetry. The "outsider" schtick gets old fast when the bad boy in question is lavishly promoted by Farrar, Straus and Giroux (his publisher since 1995: 5 books to date), sucks up the grant money by the gallon, and has taught, for instance, at Iowa Writer's Workshop, Brown University, Berkeley, Stanford, and the University of Texas. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Aug 4, 2008, at 5:12 PM, jforjames@aol.com wrote: > http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me- > sfpoet28-2008jul28,0,2422483.story > with his fighting words, and ways. > By John M. Glionna, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer > July 28, 2008 > SAN FRANCISCO -- August Kleinzahler gets into fights at poetry > readings. > Once, in Ireland, he traded insults with a host he found verbose. > At a reading in a New York bar, he told a noisy drunk to shut his > trap. Fists flew after the guy made a crack about Kleinzahler's > coat, a sentimental hand-me-down from his father. > > Kleinzahler goes to readings because he is a poet. He just doesn't > act like one. > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets > that make the grade on AOL Shopping. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080805/41668fef/attachment.html From chris.lott at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 23:58:24 2008 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Kleinzahler's bad rep In-Reply-To: <56B2EDBB-6E6D-40C0-94AE-02AAD755A9CD@ripon.edu> References: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> <56B2EDBB-6E6D-40C0-94AE-02AAD755A9CD@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0808052058w67fd03d4l594c0a4ae3236bbb@mail.gmail.com> I bet August-K would happily throw down with K-Ryan if it meant retaining the outsider crown... On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 16:22, David Graham wrote: > I'm a long-term fan of Kleinzahler's poetry, but he's a real bar-room bore > when he talks about poetry. > The "outsider" schtick gets old fast when the bad boy in question is > lavishly promoted by Farrar, Straus and Giroux (his publisher since 1995: 5 > books to date), sucks up the grant money by the gallon, and has taught, for > instance, at Iowa Writer's Workshop, Brown University, Berkeley, Stanford, > and the University of Texas. From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Aug 6 02:07:59 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Kleinzahler's bad rep In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0808052058w67fd03d4l594c0a4ae3236bbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com><56B2EDBB-6E6D-40C0-94AE-02AAD755A9CD@ripon.edu> <9b1b9dab0808052058w67fd03d4l594c0a4ae3236bbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <829AE108C4F94B438AAEE73BE286BCDD@AnnyPC> I wouldn't like to speak for too many, but from the little experience I have of the "broader" world of pseudo-poetry, your words apply to multitudes. From: "Chris Lott" >I bet August-K would happily throw down with K-Ryan if it meant > retaining the outsider crown... > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 16:22, David Graham wrote: >> I'm a long-term fan of Kleinzahler's poetry, but he's a real bar-room >> bore >> when he talks about poetry. >> The "outsider" schtick gets old fast when the bad boy in question is >> lavishly promoted by Farrar, Straus and Giroux (his publisher since 1995: >> 5 >> books to date), sucks up the grant money by the gallon, and has taught, >> for >> instance, at Iowa Writer's Workshop, Brown University, Berkeley, >> Stanford, >> and the University of Texas. > _______________________________________________ From halvard at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 10:21:22 2008 From: halvard at gmail.com (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] on idiosyncratic punctuation? In-Reply-To: <313956.69711.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200807291556.m6TFuokH025052@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <313956.69711.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:16 AM, Alexander Dickow wrote: Am also curious if anyone has any tips for promoting a book of poetry; I'm > sorta new to such things. > > More news soon -- > Amicalement, > Ale A little ceremony is usually nice, along with maybe a diploma and a handshake, friends and family in attendance. Hal "Poets are the legislators of the unacknowledged world." --George Oppen Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@gmail.com halvard@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > I bet August-K would happily throw down with K-Ryan if it meant > retaining the outsider crown... > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 16:22, David Graham wrote: > > I'm a long-term fan of Kleinzahler's poetry, but he's a real bar-room > bore > > when he talks about poetry. > > The "outsider" schtick gets old fast when the bad boy in question is > > lavishly promoted by Farrar, Straus and Giroux (his publisher since 1995: > 5 > > books to date), sucks up the grant money by the gallon, and has taught, > for > > instance, at Iowa Writer's Workshop, Brown University, Berkeley, > Stanford, > > and the University of Texas. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080806/08cd7756/attachment.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Aug 6 11:53:29 2008 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Kleinzahler's bad rep In-Reply-To: References: <8CAC48DE941F355-1438-2BF2@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com><56B2EDBB-6E6D-40C0-94AE-02AAD755A9CD@ripon.edu><9b1b9dab08080 52058w67fd03d4l594c0a4ae3236bbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4899C8F9.4080304@nut-n-but.net> Well, in his own little precinct of poetry, which the poetry establishment thinks is all of poetry, he IS an outsider. --Bob G. From skip at louisiana.edu Wed Aug 6 11:44:59 2008 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Outsider K. In-Reply-To: <9411DDA3313B41ED809AE66B00579D5B@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <09D51F991F1945CFBF969E0789355E53@win.louisiana.edu> I know some outsiders. All in their late 50s to mid 60s. Real ones. One poet/writer is a janitor at a museum, built a house on a ridge (without running water and a precarious drive, and lives in the words of working his world, throwing an apple to a vixen out his and window writing a paragraph almost every night before sending it out via e-mail to whoever is on his list of recipients (which anyone can join). That's his idea of publication.(Tom Bridwell) Another built his own house as well and has a letterpress on which he has published books for over 25 years. A fine writer whose words can swallow up small villages. Teaches at a community college. (Brian Richards) Another is a carpenter and one of the best poets I know. Following a sentence might mean having to let go of one's most certain preconceptions.(Stephen Ellis) Another is a painter and poet. I don't know that he does anything else (in terms of employment) besides living far beyond the standards of a university professor. I meant him when he was a high-school runaway at 17 in 1967. He'd already read The Cantos. His work seems as lovely as Blake's.(Stephen Petroff). These are all dear friends, but I could name dozens more, some on this list, who I don't know as well but who are just as dedicated, who also live relatively marginalized in terms of popularity, money, and/or themes/genres, etc. Of course, there may be even more marginalized poets, Emily Dickinsons, who are so outside none of us know about them. (Even lurkers to this list.) If any of K. tried to claim outsider status around of the friends I listed, I'm guessing they'd just walk away. Who would seriously argue the case with someone like that? (An outsider doesn't have the need to claim such status, . . . just like a hermit might as well keep it to himself, as they say.) From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Aug 6 14:44:30 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dr. Poet In-Reply-To: <8CAC58C65EAB501-3E4-2075@webmail-mf03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC4ADCA6E00FE-DC4-DF5@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <8CAC58C65EAB501-3E4-2075@webmail-mf03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5FB23C4DC9A448DA84F75E9D7FB54E3C@AnnyPC> Dear James, I "stole" it! And added it to the longer list titled What is Poetry? http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=287 you can find it on the main index by scrolling down to New Poetry Mailing List http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=62 and here is the main index (I feel like an accountant in this moment...) http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content any objections I will cancel it asap, care, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Dr. Poet Poetry is the great art of constructing transcendental health. Hence the poet is the transcendental physician. [122] ?Novalis, Pollen and Fragments, translated by Arthur Versluis (Phanes Press, 1989) - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080806/e982db89/attachment.html From acgold01 at louisville.edu Wed Aug 6 18:06:04 2008 From: acgold01 at louisville.edu (Alan C Golding) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tom Bridwell Message-ID: <4899E7C1.AC48.0004.0@gwise.louisville.edu> Very pleased to see Skip's mention and recommendation of my old friend Tom Bridwell, with whom I've been sadly out of touch the last few years. With his then-wife Marilyn Kitchell, Tom ran the very fine letterpress outfit Salt-Works Press for many years, publishing Lyn Hejinian and Ted Enslin among a wide range of others. His *Notes from the Cistern*, which splices M.F.K. Fisher with the mechanics of construction work (which was how Tom made his living then) and of living through a divorce, is one of my favorite books of the last ten years--published in 2001 by Brian Richards' Bloody Twin Press, which has also done a Collected Howard McCord. Alan Golding From jforjames at aol.com Wed Aug 6 22:36:30 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] pugilist poems Message-ID: <8CAC64D8895375B-130-1725@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> FLYING OVER SONNY LISTON Sonny Liston is on all fours, trying to rise, a flame of pain in the center of his head. The crowd noise blurs, then distances, as though he is shut in a room by himself. In his face there is silence. His skin glistens with sweat, & the glare & flurry of camera flashes are far-away lights in his eyes. Cassius Clay thin & sharp, stands above him, arms in a recited W. The airplane rises over the cemetery where Liston is buried next to the runway at McCarran Airport. What I recall is his bad press-- how he learned to box in prison, how he hung out with the worst people. His violence & his size, a film clip of him sullenly jumping rope to a record of "Night Train." A woman in a pink blouse sits next to me. Her fingers try to memorize a thick crucifix on a chain around her neck. ? She's nervous. But from this safe distance, looking out the oval window & beyond the wing, I see the cross of the airplane shadowing grave sites. A boxer knows momentum can suddenly shift. One blow changes everything. The plane lifts. Closing my eyes, I hear the referee's eight-count, the knockout signaled. Liston is out of time & still on his knees, suffering & silent, "Inarticulate in the way we all are," James Baldwin wrote, "when more has happened to us than we know how to express." In eight seconds an aircraft can bank into & fly through fists of clouds above the city of Las Vegas & the grave of Sonny Liston. He died alone in a motel room. His life was nothing like mine, & so we share a solitariness, like the passengers on this plane who rise or fall together & individually, each with defeats. The fight for survival is the fight. 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"Repent, ye sinners!" he shouted, waving his hand-lettered sign. At supper I felt sad to think that it was probably the last meal I'd share with my mother and my sisters; but I felt excited too and scarcely touched my plate. So mother scolded me and sent me early to my room. The whole family's asleep except for me. They never heard me steal into the stairwell hall and climb the ladder to the fresh night air. Look for me, Father, on the roof of the red brick building at the foot of Green Street- that's where we live, you know, on the top floor. I'm the boy in the white flannel gown sprawled on this coarse gravel bed searching the starry sky, waiting for the world to end. "Halley's Comet" by Stanley Kunitz, from Passing Through ? W.W. Norton & Co., 1997. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080807/0292f5d0/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Aug 7 12:46:58 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hartford Public Library poetry podcasts Message-ID: <8CAC6C457AACC7D-A3C-11D8@webmail-de07.sysops.aol.com> http://www.hplct.org/media/poetry.shtml The Espada on Neruda, Alexander on Brooks, and Stewart on Ahkmatova, were events I attended and would recommend listening too. Unfortunately I've heard the money has run out for these 'Branching Out' events. I don't know if that is locally or nationally. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080807/4af4c5a5/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Aug 7 16:33:52 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:47 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] conspiracies Message-ID: <93FF2EC5860A4506A1CC7EBABADC6D5D@AnnyPC> David Bircumshaw forwarded the following link to another list, I just scrolled it quickly but what I read seems quite interesting: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/aquarian.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > David Bircumshaw forwarded the following link to another list, I just > scrolled it quickly but what I read seems quite interesting: > http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/aquarian.htm > > > ________________________________ > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 16:45:56 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle Message-ID: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dear Poets, I'm teaching a Film/Lit course in the fall and wonder if anyone can recommend a few good films that offer up poetic content, to put it vaguely, or a representation of a poet that doesn't completely romanticize the poet, disintegrating the person in the process.? For instance, I wouldn't use that Sylvia Plath film that came out a few years ago, starring Gweneth Paltrow.? Anything that incorporates the poet's writing would be wonderful ... Did anyone see "Before Night Falls" who thinks it's worthwhile? Thanks, Amy _______ Recent http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml Alias http://www.amyking.org Your Suggestions http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080807/007f1939/attachment.html From browning at splitthisrock.org Thu Aug 7 16:57:18 2008 From: browning at splitthisrock.org (browning) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c8f8d0$2e7cb570$4201a8c0@SBLAPTOP> How about "Stevie" with Glenda Jackson as Stevie Smith? Came out in the early 80s. I remember liking it then. ** Sarah Browning Co-Director Split This Rock Poetry Festival c/o Institute for Policy Studies 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, DC 20036 browning@splitthisrock.org www.splitthisrock.org 202-787-5210 _____ From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of amy king Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:46 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle Dear Poets, I'm teaching a Film/Lit course in the fall and wonder if anyone can recommend a few good films that offer up poetic content, to put it vaguely, or a representation of a poet that doesn't completely romanticize the poet, disintegrating the person in the process. For instance, I wouldn't use that Sylvia Plath film that came out a few years ago, starring Gweneth Paltrow. Anything that incorporates the poet's writing would be wonderful ... Did anyone see "Before Night Falls" who thinks it's worthwhile? Thanks, Amy _______ Recent http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml Alias http://www.amyking.org Your Suggestions http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080807/d8c13c79/attachment.html From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Aug 7 18:19:36 2008 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] conspiracies In-Reply-To: <93FF2EC5860A4506A1CC7EBABADC6D5D@AnnyPC> References: <93FF2EC5860A4506A1CC7EBABADC6D5D@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0808071519x16175f6cmbed731c49f06ee7@mail.gmail.com> Hmmmm..... I just read the interminable site Birk URL'ed---the equivalent of listening to USA's post-midnight AM talk radio that's loaded with obsessed-about-conspiracies dudes. The topics often are crop circles, aliens from outerspace landing at Roslyn Air Force Base, and the Rockefellers and Rothschilds at the centre of the intrigues. Re the intellectuals vilified in this piece and some others not skewered in it, it's fascinating as well as profoundly negativing to get biog-data on them. Many of them, as foggy-thinking as any other folks on drugs, manage to take over impressive hunks of our cultures and wrestle them to the ground with impunity. It's a mistake to think that intellectuals, like actors, are good to follow. Some intellectuals have the ear of wealthy folk, if they're not themselves wealthy; hence, they're in the catbird seat to set up the artists and lifestyles they favour. As with many conspiracy theorists' spun rationality, then, there is a bit of logical reasoning in this theorist's conclusions. On balance, though, I think, these amazing and energetic little manifestoes are a fascinating art form if you haven't been exposed to them much. After that, well, it'll feel natural to turn off the radio, smile, and go to sleep. However, it would be well to pick out the pieces of this theorist's argument that "resonate". Few folks are entirely nutty, as you know from knowing yourself and your own family members and friends. Locking out all of their fervent theses might be shortsighted. Judy 2008/8/7 Anny Ballardini > David Bircumshaw forwarded the following link to another list, I just > scrolled it quickly but what I read seems quite interesting: > http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/aquarian.htm > > > ------------------------------ > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080807/22503a1f/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Aug 7 20:10:06 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAC7023F66C7CE-12F8-903@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> Because I'm not a well person when it comes to poetry, I make lists... Eternity and A Day with Bruno Ganz as a Greek poet whose life is in a drainswirl. He meets a young Albanian street urchin and they go on a journey. About a 1/3 too long for its own good; but some beautiful, evocative and existential scenes. ? - Regeneration Based on Pat Barker's novel of the same name, 'Regeneration' tells the story of soldiers of World War One sent to an asylum for emotional troubles. Two of the soldiers meeting there are Wilfred Owen and Siegfried Sassoon, two of England's most important WW1 poets. -- Il Postino Lonely island postman develops friendship with exiled Pablo Neruda, and learns how to live. ? ? -- Before Night Falls This powerful glimpse into the life of famed Cuban poet and novelist Reinaldo Arenas (Javier Bardem) spans several decades in his eventful life. Although vilified for his homosexuality in Fidel Castro's Cuba, Arenas finds success as a writer but must eventually emigrate to New York City to enjoy unfettered creative freedom. Johnny Depp appears twice: as a transvestite inmate and as a warden. Starring: Andrea Di Stefano, Javier Bardem Director: Julian Schnabel ? -- Total Eclipse The self-destructive relationship between 19th-century teenage French poet Arthur Rimbaud (Leonardo DiCaprio) and his older mentor Paul Verlaine (Alan Thewlis). -- Petrified Forest ? the Leslie Howard character a despondent poet who rises to th e occasion and faces down the snarling gangster Duke Mantee (Bogie) ? -- A Man in Love...Peter Coyote, playing an actor, finds a new romance in the Italian countryside while on location shooting a movie about the life of Cesare Pavese. ? -- A Merry War...Richard E Grant as adman who quits his good job to become a poet (not a good career choice); Helena Bonham Carter co-stars. ? -- Shadowlands Deborah Winger and Anthony Hopkins star in: This emotionally moving romantic drama was adapted by William Nicholson from his own acclaimed play, based upon the real-life romance (during the 1950s) between the British writer C.S. Lewis and a divorced American poet named Joy Gresham. -- Tom & Viv TS Eliot and troubled relationship with first wife (?). ? --- HeartBeat (with Notle & Spacek as the squablling Cassadys; John Heard plays Kerouac; the Ginsberg part was minor, as I recall) -- Belle of Amherst (Julia Harris as ED) ? -- Stevie (Glenda Jackson as Stevie Smith) -- Beautiful Dreamer (Rip Torn as Walt Whitman, but more about a doctor trying to reform an asylum in Canada and trying hold onto the his wife's love.) ? -- Garcia Lorca (Andy Garcia as Lorca; Lorca portrayed in flashbacks that try to tell the story of Spain in the time leading up to his death.) ? -- MindWalk (John Heard, as a poet, Liv Ulmann, a scientist w/ a humanist streak and Sam Waterson, as a jaded politician, make=2 0conversation as they walk along the sandflats at low tide toward to Mt.-St.-Michel.) ? -- A Fine Madness (Sean Connery as hard drinking/womanizing poet at odds with the social milieu of the literary life he finds himself in.) ? -- Ruben, Ruben (Tom Conte as a poet who is loosing his teeth) ? -- Tales of Ordinary Madness (Ben Gazzara as Charles Bukowski, lots of hard drinking and tough talk) ? -- Poetic Justice (Janet Jackson & Tupac Shakar star) ? --- Haunted Summer. The plot summary from IMBD:? In 1815, authors Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Shelley get together for some philosophical discussions, but the situation soon deteriorates into mind games, drugs and sex. Why would this be considered a deterioration? ? -- Barfly -- The Barretts of Wimpole Street, charting the courtship of Elizabeth Barrett by Robert Browning. -- Dead Poets Society. Robin Williams stars ? ? ? ----Original Message----- From: amy king To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 4:45 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle Dear Poets, I'm teaching a Film/Lit course in the fall and wonder if anyone can recommend a few good films that offer up poetic content, to put it vaguely, or a representation of a poet that doesn't completely romanticize the poet, disintegrating the person in the proces s.? For instance, I wouldn't use that Sylvia Plath film that came out a few years ago, starring Gweneth Paltrow.? Anything that incorporates the poet's writing would be wonderful ... Did anyone see "Before Night Falls" who thinks it's worthwhile? Thanks, Amy _______ Recent http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml Alias http://www.amyking.org Your Suggestions http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080807/f45fff6f/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Aug 7 20:29:16 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: <8CAC7023F66C7CE-12F8-903@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CAC7023F66C7CE-12F8-903@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <489B935C.9040103@opus40.org> If I Were King (1938) - Ronald Colman plays Francois Villon Shakespeare in Love Do we count Mr. Deeds Goes to Town, where Gary Cooper plays a writer of greeting card verse? jforjames@aol.com wrote: > Because I'm not a well person when it comes to poetry, I make lists... > > Eternity and A Day > with Bruno Ganz as a Greek poet whose life is in a drainswirl. He > meets a young Albanian street urchin > and they go on a journey. About a 1/3 too long for its own good; but > some beautiful, evocative and existential scenes. > > - > Regeneration > Based on Pat Barker's novel of the same name, 'Regeneration' tells the > story of soldiers of World War One sent to an asylum for emotional > troubles. Two of the soldiers meeting there are Wilfred Owen and > Siegfried Sassoon, two of England's most important WW1 poets. > -- > Il Postino > Lonely island postman develops friendship with exiled Pablo Neruda, > and learns how to live. > > > -- > Before Night Falls > This powerful glimpse into the life of famed Cuban poet and novelist > Reinaldo Arenas (Javier Bardem) spans several decades in his eventful > life. Although vilified for his homosexuality in Fidel Castro's Cuba, > Arenas finds success as a writer but must eventually emigrate to New > York City to enjoy unfettered creative freedom. Johnny Depp appears > twice: as a transvestite inmate and as a warden. > Starring: Andrea Di Stefano, Javier Bardem > Director: Julian Schnabel > > -- > Total Eclipse > The self-destructive relationship between 19th-century teenage French > poet Arthur Rimbaud (Leonardo DiCaprio) and his older mentor Paul > Verlaine (Alan Thewlis). > -- > Petrified Forest ? > the Leslie Howard character a despondent poet who rises to the > occasion and faces down the snarling gangster Duke Mantee (Bogie) > > -- > A Man in Love...Peter Coyote, playing an actor, finds a new romance > in the Italian countryside while on location shooting a movie about the > life of Cesare Pavese. > > -- > A Merry War...Richard E Grant as adman who quits his good job > to become a poet (not a good career choice); Helena Bonham Carter > co-stars. > > -- > Shadowlands > Deborah Winger and Anthony Hopkins star in: > This emotionally moving romantic drama was adapted by William > Nicholson from his own acclaimed play, based upon the real-life > romance (during the 1950s) between the British writer C.S. Lewis and a > divorced American poet named Joy Gresham. > -- > Tom & Viv > TS Eliot and troubled relationship with first wife (?). > > --- > HeartBeat (with Notle & Spacek as the squablling Cassadys; John Heard > plays > Kerouac; the Ginsberg part was minor, as I recall) > -- > Belle of Amherst (Julia Harris as ED) > > -- > Stevie (Glenda Jackson as Stevie Smith) > > -- > Beautiful Dreamer (Rip Torn as Walt Whitman, but more about a > doctor trying to reform an asylum in Canada and trying hold onto > the his wife's love.) > > -- > Garcia Lorca (Andy Garcia as Lorca; Lorca portrayed in flashbacks > that try to tell the story of Spain in the time leading up to his death.) > > -- > MindWalk (John Heard, as a poet, Liv Ulmann, a scientist w/ a humanist > streak and Sam Waterson, as a jaded politician, make conversation as they > walk along the sandflats at low tide toward to Mt.-St.-Michel.) > > -- > 0A > A Fine Madness (Sean Connery as hard drinking/womanizing poet at odds > with the social milieu of the literary life he finds himself in.) > > -- > Ruben, Ruben (Tom Conte as a poet who is loosing his teeth) > > -- > Tales of Ordinary Madness (Ben Gazzara as Charles Bukowski, lots of hard > drinking and tough talk) > > -- > Poetic Justice (Janet Jackson & Tupac Shakar star) > > --- > Haunted Summer. > The plot summary from IMBD: In 1815, authors Lord > Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Shelley get together for > some philosophical discussions, but the situation soon > deteriorates into mind games, drugs and sex. > Why would this be considered a deterioration? > > -- > Barfly > -- > The Barretts of Wimpole Street, charting the courtship of Elizabeth > Barrett by Robert Browning. > -- > Dead Poets Society. Robin Williams stars > > > > > > ----Original Message----- > From: amy king > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > > Sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 4:45 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice=2 0-- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle > > > Dear Poets, > > I'm teaching a Film/Lit course in the fall and wonder if anyone can > recommend a few good films that offer up poetic content, to put it > vaguely, or a representation of a poet that doesn't completely > romanticize the poet, disintegrating the person in the process. For > instance, I wouldn't use that Sylvia Plath film that came out a few > years ago, starring Gweneth Paltrow. Anything that incorporates the > poet's writing would be wonderful ... > > Did anyone see "Before Night Falls" who thinks it's worthwhile? > > Thanks, > > Amy > > _______ > > Recent > http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html > http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml > > Alias > http://www.amyking.org > > Your Suggestions > http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that > make the grade on AOL Shopping > . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Aug 7 20:40:58 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: <8CAC7023F66C7CE-12F8-903@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CAC7023F66C7CE-12F8-903@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <489B961A.8010207@opus40.org> Lady Caroline Lamb, with Sarah Miles as Lady C and Richard Chamberlain as Lord Byron jforjames@aol.com wrote: > Because I'm not a well person when it comes to poetry, I make lists... > > Eternity and A Day > with Bruno Ganz as a Greek poet whose life is in a drainswirl. He > meets a young Albanian street urchin > and they go on a journey. About a 1/3 too long for its own good; but > some beautiful, evocative and existential scenes. > > - > Regeneration > Based on Pat Barker's novel of the same name, 'Regeneration' tells the > story of soldiers of World War One sent to an asylum for emotional > troubles. Two of the soldiers meeting there are Wilfred Owen and > Siegfried Sassoon, two of England's most important WW1 poets. > -- > Il Postino > Lonely island postman develops friendship with exiled Pablo Neruda, > and learns how to live. > > > -- > Before Night Falls > This powerful glimpse into the life of famed Cuban poet and novelist > Reinaldo Arenas (Javier Bardem) spans several decades in his eventful > life. Although vilified for his homosexuality in Fidel Castro's Cuba, > Arenas finds success as a writer but must eventually emigrate to New > York City to enjoy unfettered creative freedom. Johnny Depp appears > twice: as a transvestite inmate and as a warden. > Starring: Andrea Di Stefano, Javier Bardem > Director: Julian Schnabel > > -- > Total Eclipse > The self-destructive relationship between 19th-century teenage French > poet Arthur Rimbaud (Leonardo DiCaprio) and his older mentor Paul > Verlaine (Alan Thewlis). > -- > Petrified Forest ? > the Leslie Howard character a despondent poet who rises to the > occasion and faces down the snarling gangster Duke Mantee (Bogie) > > -- > A Man in Love...Peter Coyote, playing an actor, finds a new romance > in the Italian countryside while on location shooting a movie about the > life of Cesare Pavese. > > -- > A Merry War...Richard E Grant as adman who quits his good job > to become a poet (not a good career choice); Helena Bonham Carter > co-stars. > > -- > Shadowlands > Deborah Winger and Anthony Hopkins star in: > This emotionally moving romantic drama was adapted by William > Nicholson from his own acclaimed play, based upon the real-life > romance (during the 1950s) between the British writer C.S. Lewis and a > divorced American poet named Joy Gresham. > -- > Tom & Viv > TS Eliot and troubled relationship with first wife (?). > > --- > HeartBeat (with Notle & Spacek as the squablling Cassadys; John Heard > plays > Kerouac; the Ginsberg part was minor, as I recall) > -- > Belle of Amherst (Julia Harris as ED) > > -- > Stevie (Glenda Jackson as Stevie Smith) > > -- > Beautiful Dreamer (Rip Torn as Walt Whitman, but more about a > doctor trying to reform an asylum in Canada and trying hold onto > the his wife's love.) > > -- > Garcia Lorca (Andy Garcia as Lorca; Lorca portrayed in flashbacks > that try to tell the story of Spain in the time leading up to his death.) > > -- > MindWalk (John Heard, as a poet, Liv Ulmann, a scientist w/ a humanist > streak and Sam Waterson, as a jaded politician, make conversation as they > walk along the sandflats at low tide toward to Mt.-St.-Michel.) > > -- > 0A > A Fine Madness (Sean Connery as hard drinking/womanizing poet at odds > with the social milieu of the literary life he finds himself in.) > > -- > Ruben, Ruben (Tom Conte as a poet who is loosing his teeth) > > -- > Tales of Ordinary Madness (Ben Gazzara as Charles Bukowski, lots of hard > drinking and tough talk) > > -- > Poetic Justice (Janet Jackson & Tupac Shakar star) > > --- > Haunted Summer. > The plot summary from IMBD: In 1815, authors Lord > Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Shelley get together for > some philosophical discussions, but the situation soon > deteriorates into mind games, drugs and sex. > Why would this be considered a deterioration? > > -- > Barfly > -- > The Barretts of Wimpole Street, charting the courtship of Elizabeth > Barrett by Robert Browning. > -- > Dead Poets Society. Robin Williams stars > > > > > > ----Original Message----- > From: amy king > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > > Sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 4:45 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice=2 0-- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle > > > Dear Poets, > > I'm teaching a Film/Lit course in the fall and wonder if anyone can > recommend a few good films that offer up poetic content, to put it > vaguely, or a representation of a poet that doesn't completely > romanticize the poet, disintegrating the person in the process. For > instance, I wouldn't use that Sylvia Plath film that came out a few > years ago, starring Gweneth Paltrow. Anything that incorporates the > poet's writing would be wonderful ... > > Did anyone see "Before Night Falls" who thinks it's worthwhile? > > Thanks, > > Amy > > _______ > > Recent > http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html > http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml > > Alias > http://www.amyking.org > > Your Suggestions > http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that > make the grade on AOL Shopping > . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Aug 7 20:59:58 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: <489B961A.8010207@opus40.org> References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CAC7023F66C7CE-12F8-903@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <489B961A.8010207@opus40.org> Message-ID: <489B9A8E.9040506@opus40.org> And here's a news flash -- Johnny Depp to play Byron in a new movie. TheOldMole wrote: > Lady Caroline Lamb, with Sarah Miles as Lady C and Richard Chamberlain > as Lord Byron > > jforjames@aol.com wrote: >> Because I'm not a well person when it comes to poetry, I make lists... >> >> Eternity and A Day >> with Bruno Ganz as a Greek poet whose life is in a drainswirl. He >> meets a young Albanian street urchin >> and they go on a journey. About a 1/3 too long for its own good; but >> some beautiful, evocative and existential scenes. >> >> - >> Regeneration >> Based on Pat Barker's novel of the same name, 'Regeneration' tells >> the story of soldiers of World War One sent to an asylum for >> emotional troubles. Two of the soldiers meeting there are Wilfred >> Owen and Siegfried Sassoon, two of England's most important WW1 poets. >> -- >> Il Postino >> Lonely island postman develops friendship with exiled Pablo Neruda, >> and learns how to live. >> >> >> -- >> Before Night Falls >> This powerful glimpse into the life of famed Cuban poet and novelist >> Reinaldo Arenas (Javier Bardem) spans several decades in his eventful >> life. Although vilified for his homosexuality in Fidel Castro's Cuba, >> Arenas finds success as a writer but must eventually emigrate to New >> York City to enjoy unfettered creative freedom. Johnny Depp appears >> twice: as a transvestite inmate and as a warden. >> Starring: Andrea Di Stefano, Javier Bardem >> Director: Julian Schnabel >> >> -- >> Total Eclipse >> The self-destructive relationship between 19th-century teenage French >> poet Arthur Rimbaud (Leonardo DiCaprio) and his older mentor Paul >> Verlaine (Alan Thewlis). >> -- >> Petrified Forest ? >> the Leslie Howard character a despondent poet who rises to the >> occasion and faces down the snarling gangster Duke Mantee (Bogie) >> >> -- >> A Man in Love...Peter Coyote, playing an actor, finds a new romance >> in the Italian countryside while on location shooting a movie about the >> life of Cesare Pavese. >> >> -- >> A Merry War...Richard E Grant as adman who quits his good job >> to become a poet (not a good career choice); Helena Bonham Carter >> co-stars. >> >> -- >> Shadowlands >> Deborah Winger and Anthony Hopkins star in: >> This emotionally moving romantic drama was adapted by William >> Nicholson from his own acclaimed play, based upon the real-life >> romance (during the 1950s) between the British writer C.S. Lewis and >> a divorced American poet named Joy Gresham. >> -- >> Tom & Viv >> TS Eliot and troubled relationship with first wife (?). >> >> --- >> HeartBeat (with Notle & Spacek as the squablling Cassadys; John Heard >> plays >> Kerouac; the Ginsberg part was minor, as I recall) >> -- >> Belle of Amherst (Julia Harris as ED) >> >> -- >> Stevie (Glenda Jackson as Stevie Smith) >> >> -- >> Beautiful Dreamer (Rip Torn as Walt Whitman, but more about a >> doctor trying to reform an asylum in Canada and trying hold onto >> the his wife's love.) >> >> -- >> Garcia Lorca (Andy Garcia as Lorca; Lorca portrayed in flashbacks >> that try to tell the story of Spain in the time leading up to his >> death.) >> >> -- >> MindWalk (John Heard, as a poet, Liv Ulmann, a scientist w/ a humanist >> streak and Sam Waterson, as a jaded politician, make conversation as >> they >> walk along the sandflats at low tide toward to Mt.-St.-Michel.) >> >> -- >> 0A >> A Fine Madness (Sean Connery as hard drinking/womanizing poet at odds >> with the social milieu of the literary life he finds himself in.) >> >> -- >> Ruben, Ruben (Tom Conte as a poet who is loosing his teeth) >> >> -- >> Tales of Ordinary Madness (Ben Gazzara as Charles Bukowski, lots of hard >> drinking and tough talk) >> >> -- >> Poetic Justice (Janet Jackson & Tupac Shakar star) >> >> --- >> Haunted Summer. >> The plot summary from IMBD: In 1815, authors Lord >> Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Shelley get together for >> some philosophical discussions, but the situation soon >> deteriorates into mind games, drugs and sex. >> Why would this be considered a deterioration? >> >> -- >> Barfly >> -- >> The Barretts of Wimpole Street, charting the courtship of Elizabeth >> Barrett by Robert Browning. >> -- >> Dead Poets Society. Robin Williams stars >> >> >> >> >> >> ----Original Message----- >> From: amy king >> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views >> >> Sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 4:45 pm >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice=2 0-- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle >> >> >> Dear Poets, >> >> I'm teaching a Film/Lit course in the fall and wonder if anyone can >> recommend a few good films that offer up poetic content, to put it >> vaguely, or a representation of a poet that doesn't completely >> romanticize the poet, disintegrating the person in the process. For >> instance, I wouldn't use that Sylvia Plath film that came out a few >> years ago, starring Gweneth Paltrow. Anything that incorporates the >> poet's writing would be wonderful ... >> >> Did anyone see "Before Night Falls" who thinks it's worthwhile? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Amy >> >> _______ >> >> Recent >> http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html >> http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml >> >> Alias >> http://www.amyking.org >> >> Your Suggestions >> http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets >> that make the grade on AOL Shopping >> . >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Thu Aug 7 21:12:41 2008 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:48 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] conspiracies In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0808071519x16175f6cmbed731c49f06ee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <93FF2EC5860A4506A1CC7EBABADC6D5D@AnnyPC> <7db1d01b0808071519x16175f6cmbed731c49f06ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0808071812p921bb4i978cf26171f54efe@mail.gmail.com> Just in case it might be misinterpreted, the "you" in the next to last sentence of mine below refers to anyone/everyone---not, for goodness' sakes, Roger Day or Anny Ballardini!! Well, ok, it does refer to Roger Day. [note emoticon: ;-) ] Judy 2008/8/7 Judy Prince > Hmmmm..... > I just read the interminable site Birk URL'ed---the equivalent of listening > to USA's post-midnight AM talk radio that's loaded with > obsessed-about-conspiracies dudes. The topics often are crop circles, > aliens from outerspace landing at Roslyn Air Force Base, and the > Rockefellers and Rothschilds at the centre of the intrigues. > > Re the intellectuals vilified in this piece and some others not skewered in > it, it's fascinating as well as profoundly negativing to get biog-data on > them. Many of them, as foggy-thinking as any other folks on drugs, manage > to take over impressive hunks of our cultures and wrestle them to the ground > with impunity. It's a mistake to think that intellectuals, like actors, are > good to follow. Some intellectuals have the ear of wealthy folk, if they're > not themselves wealthy; hence, they're in the catbird seat to set up the > artists and lifestyles they favour. As with many conspiracy theorists' spun > rationality, then, there is a bit of logical reasoning in this theorist's > conclusions. On balance, though, I think, these amazing and energetic > little manifestoes are a fascinating art form if you haven't been exposed to > them much. After that, well, it'll feel natural to turn off the radio, > smile, and go to sleep. However, it would be well to pick out the pieces of > this theorist's argument that "resonate". Few folks are entirely nutty, as > you know from knowing yourself and your own family members and friends. > Locking out all of their fervent theses might be shortsighted. > > Judy > > 2008/8/7 Anny Ballardini > >> David Bircumshaw forwarded the following link to another list, I just >> scrolled it quickly but what I read seems quite interesting: >> http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/aquarian.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"The judges are going to assign (the poets') souls a numerical value," shouted host and slammer Nick to the 40 or so revelers gathered in the Brink Lounge's sprawling lower level. The poet implored attendees and judges to be kind, yet critical in their analysis of the slammers' raps. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080807/81b9557c/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Thu Aug 7 23:59:03 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] pugilist poems In-Reply-To: <8CAC64D8895375B-130-1725@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC64D8895375B-130-1725@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CAC7223B5B42F8-11AC-3880@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Baby Villon He tells me in Bangkok he?s robbed Because he?s white; in London because he?s black; In Barcelona, Jew; in Paris, Arab: Everywhere and at all times, and he fights back. He holds up seven thick little fingers To show me he?s rated seventh in the world, And there?s no passion in his voice, no anger In the flat brown eyes flecked with blood. He asks me to tell all I can remember Of my father, his uncle; he talks of the war In North Africa and what came after, The loss of his father, the loss of his brother, The windows of the bakery smashed and the fresh bread Dusted with glass, the warm smell of rye So strong he ate till his mouth filled with blood. ?Here they live, here they live and not die,? And he points down at his black head ridged With black kinks of hair. He touches my hair, Tells me I should never disparage The stiff bristles that guard the head of the fighter. Sadly his fingers wander over my face, And he says how fair I am, how smooth. We stand to end this first and last visit. Stiff, 116 pounds, five feet two, No bigger than a girl, he holds my shoulders, Kisses my lips, his eyes still open, My imaginary brother, my cousin, Myself made otherwise by all his pain. --Philip Levine, NOT THIS PIG (1963) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080807/7c15bd71/attachment.html From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 8 03:34:43 2008 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] conspiracies In-Reply-To: <7db1d01b0808071519x16175f6cmbed731c49f06ee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <93FF2EC5860A4506A1CC7EBABADC6D5D@AnnyPC> <7db1d01b0808071519x16175f6cmbed731c49f06ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <489BF713.9030501@ntlworld.com> Judy I picked on the piece as a fascinating piece of craziness. That there has been a long and dubious association between the Secret Services and a succession of British writers and intellectuals is though a matter of known record, the writer makes the mistake of assuming that there's a coherent, systematic policy behind it. > Hmmmm..... > > I just read the interminable site Birk URL'ed---the equivalent of > listening to USA's post-midnight AM talk radio that's loaded with > obsessed-about-conspiracies dudes. The topics often are crop circles, > aliens from outerspace landing at Roslyn Air Force Base, and the > Rockefellers and Rothschilds at the centre of the intrigues. > > Re the intellectuals vilified in this piece and some others not > skewered in it, it's fascinating as well as profoundly negativing to > get biog-data on them. Many of them, as foggy-thinking as any other > folks on drugs, manage to take over impressive hunks of our cultures > and wrestle them to the ground with impunity. It's a mistake to think > that intellectuals, like actors, are good to follow. Some > intellectuals have the ear of wealthy folk, if they're not themselves > wealthy; hence, they're in the catbird seat to set up the artists and > lifestyles they favour. As with many conspiracy theorists' spun > rationality, then, there is a bit of logical reasoning in this > theorist's conclusions. On balance, though, I think, these amazing > and energetic little manifestoes are a fascinating art form if you > haven't been exposed to them much. After that, well, it'll feel > natural to turn off the radio, smile, and go to sleep. However, it > would be well to pick out the pieces of this theorist's argument that > "resonate". Few folks are entirely nutty, as you know from knowing > yourself and your own family members and friends. Locking out all of > their fervent theses might be shortsighted. > > Judy > > 2008/8/7 Anny Ballardini > > > David Bircumshaw forwarded the following link to another list, I > just scrolled it quickly but what I read seems quite interesting: > http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/aquarian.htm > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new -- David Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080808/4e6fd22b/attachment.html From jfq at myuw.net Thu Aug 7 22:35:34 2008 From: jfq at myuw.net (Jason Quackenbush) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Grand Slam in Land of Lakes In-Reply-To: <8CAC713D43489CA-11AC-350C@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> References: <8CAC713D43489CA-11AC-350C@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <396D17F9-A24F-4F73-8ACF-4E7A774B4D9D@myuw.net> slam poets are so annoying. and people who write articles about slam poets are always talking to the wrong people. my friend rachel mckibbens, who is on the LouderArts team, reports this from the bouts she attended last night: http://lowhumcrush.livejournal.com/203818.html?style=mine i think that's more what slam is like than "dudes and chicks spitting raps about expressing themselves and effecting social change, y'know man?" of course, there is a lot of that bullshit in slam. but it's the worst of it. On Aug 7, 2008, at 7:15 PM, jforjames@aol.com wrote: > > http://www.madison.com/tct/entertainment/299738 > Poets slam down their rhymes in Brink Lounge bout > Sarah Probst ? 8/07/2008 7:45 am > > Their words didn't float down out of the rafters and land on our > shoulders. Instead, they slapped listeners across the face and > begged for an explanation. This wasn't a flowery, Shakespearean > sonnet exhibition with pentameters and rhymes and professions of > romantic love. > > > Instead, Wednesday night was the second night of first bouts -- or > rounds -- of the National Poetry Slam for four teams of four poets > from around the continent to spit their rhymes in the city of Madison. > > > "The judges are going to assign (the poets') souls a numerical > value," shouted host and slammer Nick to the 40 or so revelers > gathered in the Brink Lounge's sprawling lower level. The poet > implored attendees and judges to be kind, yet critical in their > analysis of the slammers' raps. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net From jbalizsprince at googlemail.com Fri Aug 8 05:12:53 2008 From: jbalizsprince at googlemail.com (Judy Prince) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] conspiracies In-Reply-To: <489BF713.9030501@ntlworld.com> References: <93FF2EC5860A4506A1CC7EBABADC6D5D@AnnyPC> <7db1d01b0808071519x16175f6cmbed731c49f06ee7@mail.gmail.com> <489BF713.9030501@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <7db1d01b0808080212r19f913f9pfe4707931bb6247b@mail.gmail.com> "....the writer makes the mistake of assuming that there's a coherent, systematic policy behind it...." Yes, you've put your finger on (most of) it---that "they" purposefully, deviously and cleverly engineered the (carefully selected) bits revealed. I'm sure there's a fallacy label, perhaps a twist on post hoc ergo propter hoc, that applies to the writer's logic; I just don't know what it is. It seems to be the converse of how most of us reason about our heroes: that they were/are somehow Super Prescient of their futures, plotting actions accordingly. Most Christians are presumed to believe that underpins the man Jesus' life path and power. These days, in Barack Obama's case, it would seem near the truth. Judy 2008/8/8 David Bircumshaw > Judy > > I picked on the piece as a fascinating piece of craziness. That there has > been a long and dubious association between the Secret Services and a > succession of British writers and intellectuals is though a matter of known > record, the writer makes the mistake of assuming that there's a coherent, > systematic policy behind it. > > Hmmmm..... > I just read the interminable site Birk URL'ed---the equivalent of > listening to USA's post-midnight AM talk radio that's loaded with > obsessed-about-conspiracies dudes. The topics often are crop circles, > aliens from outerspace landing at Roslyn Air Force Base, and the > Rockefellers and Rothschilds at the centre of the intrigues. > > Re the intellectuals vilified in this piece and some others not skewered > in it, it's fascinating as well as profoundly negativing to get biog-data on > them. Many of them, as foggy-thinking as any other folks on drugs, manage > to take over impressive hunks of our cultures and wrestle them to the ground > with impunity. It's a mistake to think that intellectuals, like actors, are > good to follow. Some intellectuals have the ear of wealthy folk, if they're > not themselves wealthy; hence, they're in the catbird seat to set up the > artists and lifestyles they favour. As with many conspiracy theorists' spun > rationality, then, there is a bit of logical reasoning in this theorist's > conclusions. On balance, though, I think, these amazing and energetic > little manifestoes are a fascinating art form if you haven't been exposed to > them much. After that, well, it'll feel natural to turn off the radio, > smile, and go to sleep. However, it would be well to pick out the pieces of > this theorist's argument that "resonate". Few folks are entirely nutty, as > you know from knowing yourself and your own family members and friends. > Locking out all of their fervent theses might be shortsighted. > > Judy > > 2008/8/7 Anny Ballardini > >> David Bircumshaw forwarded the following link to another list, I just >> scrolled it quickly but what I read seems quite interesting: >> http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/aquarian.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Anny Ballardini >> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome >> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html >> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing >> star! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new > > > -- > > David Bircumshaw > Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Park Blvd University Heights, OH 44118 phone: (216) 397-4528 (work) fax: (216) 397-1723 http://www.philipmetres.com http://www.behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Fri Aug 8 08:38:37 2008 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle Message-ID: The Great McGonagall, with Peter Sellars as Queen Victoria, is available on DVD. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She'll be reading with the equally talented Tisa Bryant, whose recent book Unexplained Presence ought to be on everyone's reading list. Their bios are located below. ? ? Sunday, August 10th ? 5pm ? Corollary Press Presents Summi Kaipa and Tisa Bryant ? Unnameable Books (Previously Adam's Books) ? 456 Bergen Street, Brooklyn ? www.unnameablebooks.net ? www.corollarypress.blogspot. com ? ? Tisa Bryant is the author of Unexplained Presence (Leon Works, 2007), a collection of original, hybrid essays that remix narratives from eurocentric film, literature and visual arts and zoom in on the black presences operating within them. She is currently working on [the curator], a fiction that meditates on identity, visual culture and the lost films of auteur Justine Cable, co-editing an anthology for AIDS Project Los Angeles, and is madly working to get Vol. 2 F-K of the Encyclopedia Project in the hopper. ? Summi Kaipa has authored several chapbooks, including "The Epics" (Leroy Press), "One: I Beg You Be Still" (Belladonna), and most recently "The Language Parable" (Corollary Press). For eight years, she was the editor of Interlope, a magazine publishing innovative writing by Asian Americans, and in 2002, she received a Potrero Nuevo Fund Prize to write and produce her first play. Once a resident of SF's bustling Mission District, Kaipa now resides in a quiet neighborhood in North Berkeley, where she has been earning a degree in clinical psychology and making excruciatingly slow progress on her first full-length manuscript. ? ? Corollary Press is a small chapbook series devoted to new work by writers of color. Published out of Philadelphia, all books are hand-sewn in small editions of 150. 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According to a friend in Jerusalem who preferred to remain anonymous, the 67-year-old writer was placed on life support two days ago following complications arising from the surgery. Darwish published more than two-dozen books of poetry and prose over a career spanning nearly five decades and his poetry has been translated into more than 20 languages. Rooted in his experience of national exile, his work captured the Palestinian experience of war, exile, and the struggle for national self-determination. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080811/959e0991/attachment.html From rog3r.day at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 12:58:55 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think that films about or containing poets suck. Period. They harp on our need for *biography*. Poets as *characters* - oh so whimsical, or some cheap *intellectual* fixing on the shingle or worse, the heavy hand of intellectual ballast being tied to a "vulgar entertainment.". The only film that I think fared otherwise was Regeneration, although that was a complete hack-job of the novels. Films that *reflect* or use poetry as a source, either obliquely or otherwise, fare far better, IMO How about Powell & Pressburger's A Canterbury Tale for starters? Then there's the filmic career of Shakespeare. How about flims *by* poets? Cocteau: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Cocteau. La belle et la b?te? Then there's Auden & Night Train. Murder in the Cathedral by Eliot was filmed. http://www.ubu.com/papers/kelman_ken-film_poetry.html Simon Armitage: http://www.thescaremongers.com/simonarmitage/film-tv-theatre-radio.html - Feltham Sings is a good piece. Epics have had a good time of it: Beowulf, Tristan and Isolda. The Arthurian epics - how about Monty Python's The Holy Grail. Maybe Franco-Japanese animation will spark their wits: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_31. (a whole list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Arthurian_legend). An offering from myself http://www.badstep.net/image/moving/index.html and a really bad film with Ezra Pound reading: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVGboLQyNYI Roger On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:45 PM, amy king wrote: > > Dear Poets, > > I'm teaching a Film/Lit course in the fall and wonder if anyone can > recommend a few good films that offer up poetic content, to put it vaguely, > or a representation of a poet that doesn't completely romanticize the poet, > disintegrating the person in the process. For instance, I wouldn't use that > Sylvia Plath film that came out a few years ago, starring Gweneth Paltrow. > Anything that incorporates the poet's writing would be wonderful ... > > Did anyone see "Before Night Falls" who thinks it's worthwhile? > > Thanks, > > Amy > > _______ > > Recent > http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html > http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml > > Alias > http://www.amyking.org > > Your Suggestions > http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Aug 11 17:26:04 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:49 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Darwish obit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A0AE6C.2090605@opus40.org> Does this mean NewPo is back? All my posts the last couple of days have been bounced. JforJames@aol.com wrote: > http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=4&article_id=94938 > > Celebrated Palestinian poet dies in US hospital > Mahmoud Darwish, 67, leaves behind legacy of over two-dozen books of > poetry and prose spanning a nearly five-decade career > By Agence France Presse (AFP) > Monday, August 11, 2008 > OBITUARY > > Majeda El Batsh > Agence France Presse > > JERUSALEM: Mahmoud Darwish, widely considered one of the greatest > poets in Palestine and the wider Arab world, died Saturday in a US > hospital following open-heart surgery. He was being treated at the > Memorial Hermann Hospital in Houston, Texas. According to a friend in > Jerusalem who preferred to remain anonymous, the 67-year-old writer > was placed on life support two days ago following complications > arising from the surgery. > > Darwish published more than two-dozen books of poetry and prose over a > career spanning nearly five decades and his poetry has been translated > into more than 20 languages. Rooted in his experience of national > exile, his work captured the Palestinian experience of war, exile, and > the struggle for national self-determination. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read > reviews on AOL Autos > . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Aug 11 17:44:44 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Churrascaria Palace :.. Message-ID: <8AD0A95ECCA04E49B4632483A97F1625@AnnyPC> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All my posts the last couple of days have > been bounced. > > JforJames@aol.com wrote: >> http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=4&article_id=94938 >> >> Celebrated Palestinian poet dies in US hospital >> Mahmoud Darwish, 67, leaves behind legacy of over two-dozen books of >> poetry and prose spanning a nearly five-decade career >> By Agence France Presse (AFP) >> Monday, August 11, 2008 >> OBITUARY >> >> Majeda El Batsh >> Agence France Presse >> >> JERUSALEM: Mahmoud Darwish, widely considered one of the greatest poets >> in Palestine and the wider Arab world, died Saturday in a US hospital >> following open-heart surgery. He was being treated at the Memorial >> Hermann Hospital in Houston, Texas. According to a friend in Jerusalem >> who preferred to remain anonymous, the 67-year-old writer was placed on >> life support two days ago following complications arising from the >> surgery. >> Darwish published more than two-dozen books of poetry and prose over a >> career spanning nearly five decades and his poetry has been translated >> into more than 20 languages. Rooted in his experience of national exile, >> his work captured the Palestinian experience of war, exile, and the >> struggle for national self-determination. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read >> reviews on AOL Autos >> . >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1603 - Release > Date: 8/10/2008 6:13 PM > > From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 19:16:06 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry In-Reply-To: <7D7CE3F574CC4B5E8FF02B2D01B92772@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <830087.75900.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks to everyone who made suggestions! If you want me to add your last name for your credit, just drop me a line. Enjoy: http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ _______ Recent http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml Alias http://www.amyking.org Your Suggestions http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you want me to add your last name for your credit, just drop me a line. Enjoy: http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ _______ Recent http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml Alias http://www.amyking.org Your Suggestions http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080811/7e886a07/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Aug 11 20:31:35 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CACA29E90767A9-750-1530@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> Somewhat agree about the potrayal of poets (but on the list there are some wonderful potrayals)...poetrry itself generally gets?treated with high regard... Good scene in Huston's?'The Dead', for example, with a?poem of Lady Gregory's being?recited. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Roger Day Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle I think that films about or containing poets suck. Period. They harp n our need for *biography*. Poets as *characters* - oh so whimsical, r some cheap *intellectual* fixing on the shingle or worse, the heavy and of intellectual ballast being tied to a "vulgar entertainment.". he only film that I think fared otherwise was Regeneration, although hat was a complete hack-job of the novels. Films that *reflect* or use poetry as a source, either obliquely or therwise, fare far better, IMO How about Powell & Pressburger's A anterbury Tale for starters? Then there's the filmic career of hakespeare. How about flims *by* poets? Cocteau: ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Cocteau. La belle et la b?te? Then here's Auden & Night Train. Murder in the Cathedral by Eliot was ilmed. http://www.ubu.com/papers/kelman_ken-film_poetry.html Simon Armitage: ttp://www.thescaremongers.com/simonarmitage/film-tv-theatre-radio.html Feltham Sings is a good piece. Epics have had a good time of it: Beowulf, Tristan and Isolda. The rthurian epics - how about Monty Python's The Holy Grail. Maybe ranco-Japanese animation will spark their wits: ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_31. (a whole list here: ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Arthurian_legend). An offering from myself http://www.badstep.net/image/moving/index.html nd a really bad film with Ezra Pound reading: ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVGboLQyNYI Roger On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:45 PM, amy king wrote: Dear Poets, I'm teaching a Film/Lit course in the fall and wonder if anyone can recommend a few good films that offer up poetic content, to put it vaguely, or a representation of a poet that doesn't completely romanticize the poet, disintegrating the person in the process. For instance, I wouldn't use that Sylvia Plath film that came out a few years ago, starring Gweneth Paltrow. Anything that incorporates the poet's writing would be wonderful ... Did anyone see "Before Night Falls" who thinks it's worthwhile? Thanks, Amy _______ Recent http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml Alias http://www.amyking.org Your Suggestions http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- y Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ I began to warm and chill o objects and their fields" ick Cave & The Bad Seeds _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080811/c9b6d792/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Mon Aug 11 20:45:36 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:50 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> Another good film biography was 'Angel At My Table', the life of Jane Frame (a New Zealand, writer and poet). -----Original Message----- From: Roger Day Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle I think that films about or containing poets suck. Period. They harp on our need for *biography*. Poets as *characters* - oh so whimsical, or some cheap *intellectual* fixing on the shingle or worse, the heavy hand of intellectual ballast being tied to a "vulgar entertainment.". 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She'll be reading with the equally talented Tisa Bryant, whose recent book Unexplained Presence?ought to be on everyone's reading list. Their bios are located below.? Sunday, August 10th5pmCorollary Press Presents Summi Kaipa and Tisa BryantUnnameable Books (Previously Adam's Books)456 Bergen Street, Brooklynwww.unnameablebooks.netwww.corollarypress.blogspot.com Tisa Bryant is the author of Unexplained Presence (Leon Works, 2007), a collection of original, hybrid essays that remix narratives from eurocentric film, literature and visual arts and zoom in on the black presences operating within them.?? She is currently working on [the curator], a fiction that meditates on identity, visual culture and the lost films of auteur Justine Cable, co-editing an anthology for AIDS Project Los Angeles, and is madly working to get Vol. 2 F-K of the Encyclopedia Project in the hopper.?Summi Kaipa has authored several chapbooks, including "The Epics" (Leroy Press), "One:? I Beg You Be Still" (Belladonna), and most recently "The Language Parable" (Corollary Press).? For eight years, she was the editor of Interlope, a magazine publishing innovative writing by Asian Americans, and in 2002, she received a Potrero Nuevo Fund Prize to write and produce her first play.? Once a resident of SF's bustling Mission District, Kaipa now resides in a quiet neighborhood in North Berkeley, where she has been earning a degree in clinical psychology and making excruciatingly slow progress on her first full-length manuscript.?? Corollary Press is a small chapbook series devoted to new work by writers of color. Published out of Philadelphia, all books are hand-sewn in small editions of 150. Sueyeun Juliette Lee, the editor, specifically seeks out work by authors that challenge notions of difference, aesthetics, and genre. www.unnameablebooks.net www.corollarypress.blogspot.com _______ Recent http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml Alias http://www.amyking.org Your Suggestions http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080808/30ae46e6/attachment.html From rog3r.day at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 01:37:48 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: <8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I notice you elide my words about *poetry*. I'd rather have films about or from poetry, of which I give several examples, but you, I notice give none. Films about poets tell us nothing about their poetry, or Poetry, no matter how debatably wonderful their portrayals. Might as well have films about postmen. I suppose in this way films, no matter how finely wrought, can be treated as a vulgar art rather than one which has equal traffic with poetry. Roger On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:45 AM, wrote: > Another good film biography was 'Angel At My Table', the life of Jane Frame > (a New Zealand, writer and poet). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Day > Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:58 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle > > I think that films about or containing poets suck. Period. They harp > on our need for *biography*. Poets as *characters* - oh so whimsical, > or some cheap *intellectual* fixing on the shingle or worse, the heavy > hand of intellectual ballast being tied to a "vulgar entertainment.". > The only film that I think fared otherwise was Regeneration, although > that was a complete hack-job of the novels. > > ________________________________ > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make > the grade on AOL Shopping. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From rog3r.day at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 02:03:24 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My, how prettily Kerry suffers in the name of Poesy!! don't you see how ALL poets suffer? And it mentions angels too! Oh my, oh my! Faber produced a book on poetry and film; it too trawls the surface connection between Poetry and Film. Important to be sure but it does leave out a swathe of other, to me, more important traffic between these two arts. Roger On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Roger Day wrote: > I notice you elide my words about *poetry*. I'd rather have films > about or from poetry, of which I give several examples, but you, I > notice give none. > > Films about poets tell us nothing about their poetry, or Poetry, no > matter how debatably wonderful their portrayals. Might as well have > films about postmen. I suppose in this way films, no matter how finely > wrought, can be treated as a vulgar art rather than one which has > equal traffic with poetry. > > Roger > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:45 AM, wrote: >> Another good film biography was 'Angel At My Table', the life of Jane Frame >> (a New Zealand, writer and poet). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger Day >> Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:58 pm >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle >> >> I think that films about or containing poets suck. Period. They harp >> on our need for *biography*. Poets as *characters* - oh so whimsical, >> or some cheap *intellectual* fixing on the shingle or worse, the heavy >> hand of intellectual ballast being tied to a "vulgar entertainment.". >> The only film that I think fared otherwise was Regeneration, although >> that was a complete hack-job of the novels. >> >> ________________________________ >> It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make >> the grade on AOL Shopping. >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > > -- > My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ > "I began to warm and chill > to objects and their fields" > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Aug 12 02:11:24 2008 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <009f01c8fc42$405fcb40$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> From: "Roger Day" >I notice you elide my words about *poetry*. I'd rather have films > about or from poetry, of which I give several examples, but you, I > notice give none. Night Mail, which Roger has already mentioned, is paradigmatic. Interestingly, the script was originally offered to Hugh McDiarmid, who passed it on to Auden -- maybe a Grierson documentary made for Reith's BBC with McDiarmid's words would have been too echt Scottish. Then there's Tony Harrison's "V" ... Oh, yeah, in the way back when, That Was The Week That Was used to do this -- I vaguely remember as a young teen Peter Redgrove's "Sermon", and the Patroclus flicked from the walls of Troy bit from Logue's War Music, in the intervals between Millicent Martin's songs. Stirring stuff, that, and it's stuck in my memory. Of the films Roger hates, has anyone mentioned "Stevie"? Gossip, but fun gossip. The film I'd like to see made would be of Coleridge reading "Dejection: A Letter" to the assembled Wordsworth household -- put Jerry Springer in the shade, that would!! Robin Hamilton From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Aug 12 02:22:21 2008 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00a801c8fc43$c7c0d150$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> ... how about a biopic on the life of James K. Baxter? That *would be something .. Robin Hamilton (Or the life of Ern Malley, if we're touching on the Colonies?) Wiki says: Ernest Lalor "Ern" Malley (April 14, 1918 - July 23, 1943) -- "was a fictitious poet" -- shame on them!!! Next they'll be telling us Santa Claus doesn't exist. R (Pessoa) H From rog3r.day at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 02:23:46 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: <009f01c8fc42$405fcb40$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> <009f01c8fc42$405fcb40$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> Message-ID: V aroused the politicos to have questions in the house, IIRC. It's not so much that I hate these films, but I think the lists that concentrate on biography do not do justice to the connection between these arts. Roger On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Robin Hamilton wrote: > From: "Roger Day" > >> I notice you elide my words about *poetry*. I'd rather have films >> about or from poetry, of which I give several examples, but you, I >> notice give none. > > Night Mail, which Roger has already mentioned, is paradigmatic. > Interestingly, the script was originally offered to Hugh McDiarmid, who > passed it on to Auden -- maybe a Grierson documentary made for Reith's BBC > with McDiarmid's words would have been too echt Scottish. > > Then there's Tony Harrison's "V" ... > > Oh, yeah, in the way back when, That Was The Week That Was used to do this > -- I vaguely remember as a young teen Peter Redgrove's "Sermon", and the > Patroclus flicked from the walls of Troy bit from Logue's War Music, in the > intervals between Millicent Martin's songs. > > Stirring stuff, that, and it's stuck in my memory. > > Of the films Roger hates, has anyone mentioned "Stevie"? Gossip, but fun > gossip. > > The film I'd like to see made would be of Coleridge reading "Dejection: A > Letter" to the assembled Wordsworth household -- put Jerry Springer in the > shade, that would!! > > Robin Hamilton > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Aug 12 02:44:25 2008 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com><009f01c8fc42$405fcb40$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> Message-ID: <00b101c8fc46$dce40360$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> >V aroused the politicos to have questions in the house, IIRC. It's not > so much that I hate these films, but I think the lists that > concentrate on biography do not do justice to the connection between > these arts. > > Roger It was the naughty words wot raised the questions, as I remember, other than anything substantive in the film. Go figure. Harrison was already past his best when he perpetrated it. V is only biography insofar as it uses Harrison's much-smudged personal biography as the material -- otherwise it's basically a voice over (or out of) a talking head, as such not terribly innovative. TW3 did it before, and better. Un Chien Andalou? Intersect between a poet and a film-maker happens but rarely, why we come back to "Night Mail". Otherwise, I can see why you want to scream, it's either voice-over (and even "Night Mail" skates on the edge of that) or gossip. K, sera ... R. From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Aug 12 02:46:20 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry In-Reply-To: <8CACA278B384B4E-750-145B@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACA278B384B4E-750-145B@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thank You very very much Amy! What an incredible source, I will forward to the Provincial Office and see how many they can get. And J for James, you are the usual "pozzo senza fine" (bottomless pond)! Care from here, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: amyhappens@yahoo.com ; new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry Amy, this is a great compilation. A few other films where poetry plays a lesser role: I Married An Ax Murderer with very funny bits as central character (played by Mike Meyers) performs his poetry in a cafe. Island of Dr. Moreau Brando-Kilmer version, with an arresting scene as the mutant son of Dr.Moreau (Brando) reads Yeats' 'The Second Coming'. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: amy king To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 7:16 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry Thanks to everyone who made suggestions! If you want me to add your last name for your credit, just drop me a line. Enjoy: http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ _______ Recent http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml Alias http://www.amyking.org Your Suggestions http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's time to go back to school! 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080812/a05e6bee/attachment.html From rog3r.day at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 02:51:08 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: <00b101c8fc46$dce40360$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> <009f01c8fc42$405fcb40$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> <00b101c8fc46$dce40360$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> Message-ID: I think you sell it short too. I don't think it is all biog or voice-over. I think Jean Cocteau deserves a look at. Poet and film-maker. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blood_of_a_Poet - but my list is there. Roger On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Robin Hamilton wrote: >> V aroused the politicos to have questions in the house, IIRC. It's not >> so much that I hate these films, but I think the lists that >> concentrate on biography do not do justice to the connection between >> these arts. >> >> Roger > > It was the naughty words wot raised the questions, as I remember, other than > anything substantive in the film. Go figure. Harrison was already past his > best when he perpetrated it. > > V is only biography insofar as it uses Harrison's much-smudged personal > biography as the material -- otherwise it's basically a voice over (or out > of) a talking head, as such not terribly innovative. > > TW3 did it before, and better. > > Un Chien Andalou? > > Intersect between a poet and a film-maker happens but rarely, why we come > back to "Night Mail". > > Otherwise, I can see why you want to scream, it's either voice-over (and > even "Night Mail" skates on the edge of that) or gossip. > > K, sera ... > > R. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Aug 12 03:02:32 2008 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com><009f01c8fc42$405fcb40$4001a8c0@CoreDuo><00b101c8fc46$dce40360$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> Message-ID: <00e601c8fc49$64e7bca0$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> >I think you sell it short too. I don't think it is all biog or > voice-over. I think Jean Cocteau deserves a look at. Poet and > film-maker. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blood_of_a_Poet - but > my list is there. > > Roger K, I confess, I just don't *like Tony Harrison. :-( For all of me, _The School of Eloquence_ and _Continuous_ were brilliant, and frankly, I couldn't see anything in V other than a thin recycling of those two books, with pretty pictures of gravestones in the background. IMHO Robin From rog3r.day at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 07:41:04 2008 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> <009f01c8fc42$405fcb40$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> <00b101c8fc46$dce40360$4001a8c0@CoreDuo> Message-ID: Also, thinking about this, I think it's no coincident that poets like Apollinaire started dividing the page up visually just at the time that photography and film hove into view. Then there's collage and montage, both being introduced into poetry and film. Surrealism, dadaism, each find themselves at play in literature then film and photography. The circuit back found that portraiture and landscape in painting being profoundly changed by film. I wonder how this affected poetry? It's pace, it's narrative. Both film and poetry happen in a linear fashion but film, suddenly, starts swapping and changing. So we have concrete poetry, visual poetry but also "flash poetry", i.e. poets who compose for the Web with Flash animations. I think also that poetry loses it's voice of the tribe position. In America, possibly, film begins to colonise the mythic life of a nation. In England, I think, the BBC occupies the same position. See Charge Of The Light Brigade. See any amount of praise poetry. At the time of the English Civil War, poets would naturally celebrate events. I don't think that's the case now. Such things are more effectively done via television. And so on and so forth. Roger On 8/12/08, Roger Day wrote: > I think you sell it short too. I don't think it is all biog or > voice-over. I think Jean Cocteau deserves a look at. Poet and > film-maker. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blood_of_a_Poet - but > my list is there. > > Roger > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Robin Hamilton > wrote: > >> V aroused the politicos to have questions in the house, IIRC. It's not > >> so much that I hate these films, but I think the lists that > >> concentrate on biography do not do justice to the connection between > >> these arts. > >> > >> Roger > > > > It was the naughty words wot raised the questions, as I remember, other than > > anything substantive in the film. Go figure. Harrison was already past his > > best when he perpetrated it. > > > > V is only biography insofar as it uses Harrison's much-smudged personal > > biography as the material -- otherwise it's basically a voice over (or out > > of) a talking head, as such not terribly innovative. > > > > TW3 did it before, and better. > > > > Un Chien Andalou? > > > > Intersect between a poet and a film-maker happens but rarely, why we come > > back to "Night Mail". > > > > Otherwise, I can see why you want to scream, it's either voice-over (and > > even "Night Mail" skates on the edge of that) or gossip. > > > > K, sera ... > > > > R. > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ > "I began to warm and chill > to objects and their fields" > Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From jforjames at aol.com Tue Aug 12 09:24:09 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle In-Reply-To: References: <530293.8425.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CACA2BDE41FABB-750-15F6@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CACA95D6A68A01-1270-A42@MBLK-M02.sysops.aol.com> Biopics in general are overdramatizations, and films?tell us little about any art (other than filmmaking)...whether about?poets (poetry), priests (religious faith)?or politicians (statecraft)?or musicians (music making), etc. I agree, in a general way with what you've said. But poetry, wherever I find even a hint of it or slight glancing reference to it, interests me. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Roger Day Sent: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 1:37 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle I notice you elide my words about *poetry*. I'd rather have films about or from poetry, of which I give several examples, but you, I notice give none. Films about poets tell us nothing about their poetry, or Poetry, no matter how debatably wonderful their portrayals. Might as well have films about postmen. I suppose in this way films, no matter how finely wrought, can be treated as a vulgar art rather than one which has equal traffic with poetry. Roger On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:45 AM, wrote: > Another good film biography was 'Angel At My Table', the life of Jane Frame > (a New Zealand, writer and poet). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Day > Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:58 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Advice -- Film/Lit course w "Poetry" angle > > I think that films about or containing poets suck. Period. They harp > on our need for *biography*. Poets as *characters* - oh so whimsical, > or some cheap *intellectual* fixing on the shingle or worse, the heavy > hand of intellectual ballast being tied to a "vulgar entertainment.". > The only film that I think fared otherwise was Regeneration, although > that was a complete hack-job of the novels. > > ________________________________ > It's time to go back to school! 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Brenda Wineapple's White Heat: The Friendship of Emily Dickinson and Thomas Wentworth Higginson is the first book to portray one of the most remarkable friendships in American letters, that of Emily Dickinson?recluse, poet?and Thomas Wentworth Higginson, minister, literary figure, active abolitionist. Higginson, a former pastor at the Free Church of Worcester, Massachusetts, wrote often for the cultural magazine of the day, The Atlantic Monthly?on gymnastics, women's rights, and slavery. His article "Letter to a Young Contributor" gave advice to readers who wanted to write for the magazine and offered tips on how to submit one's work ("use black ink, good pens, white paper"). Among the letters Higginson received in response was one scrawled in looping, difficult handwriting. Four poems were enclosed in a smaller envelope. He deciphered the scribble: "Are you too deeply occupied to say if my Verse is alive?" Thus began a correspondence that would last a lifetime... Brenda Wineapple re-creates the extraordinary, delicate friendship that led to the publication of Dickinson's poetry. And though she and Higgins on met face-to-face only twice (he had never met anyone "who drained my nerve power so much," he said), their friendship reveals much about Dickinson, throwing light onto both the darkened door of the poet's imagination and a corner of the noisy century that she and Colonel Higginson shared. Herewith Emily Dickinson's poem 'Dare you see a Soul at the White Heat', the inspiration for the title of this shimmering, revelatory work. Dare you see a Soul at the 'White Heat'? Dare you see a Soul at the 'White Heat'? Then crouch within the door? Red ? is the Fire's common tint? But when the vivid Ore Has vanquished Flame's conditions? It quivers from the Forge Without a color, but the Light of unannointed Blaze? Least Village, boasts it's Blacksmith? Whose Anvil's even ring Stands symbol for the finer Forge That soundless tugs ? within ? Refining these impatient Ores With Hammer, and with Blaze Until the designated Light Repudiate the Forge? KEEP CLICKING: About WHITE HEAT: THE FRIENDSHIP OF EMILY DICKINSON AND THOMAS WENTWORTH HIGGINSON About Brenda Wineapple More from Emily Dickinson Download a free broadside of "The Hotel Room Mirror" Meet W. S. DiPiero -- ? ? White Heat copyright 2008 by Brenda Wineapple. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. A ll rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher. We welcome your feedback. Please send any thoughts or questions to knopfwebmaster@randomhouse.com You received this issue because your email address is in Knopf's Poem-a-Day mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a blank email to unsub_knopfpoetry@info.randomhouse.com. Or if you received this poem as a forward and wish to subscribe, send a blank email to sub_knopfpoetry@info.randomhouse.com. ? Brenda Wineapple's White Heat: The Friendship of Emily Dickinson and Thomas Wentworth Higginson is the first book to portray one of the most remarkable friendships in American letters, that of Emily Dickinson?recluse, poet?and Thomas Wentworth Higginson, minister, literary figure, active abolitionist. Higginson, a former pastor at the Free Church of Worcester, Massachusetts, wrote often for the cultural magazine of the day, The Atlantic Monthly?on gymnastics, women's rights, and slavery. His article "Letter to a Young Contributor" gave advice to readers who wanted to write for the magazine and offered tips on how to submit one's work ("use black ink, good pens, white paper"). Among the letters Higginson received in response was one scrawled in looping, difficult handwriting. Four poems were enclosed in a smaller envelope. He deciphered the scribble: "Are you too deeply occupied to say if my Verse is alive?" Thus began a correspondence that20would last a lifetime... Brenda Wineapple re-creates the extraordinary, delicate friendship that led to the publication of Dickinson's poetry. And though she and Higginson met face-to-face only twice (he had never met anyone "who drained my nerve power so much," he said), their friendship reveals much about Dickinson, throwing light onto both the darkened door of the poet's imagination and a corner of the noisy century that she and Colonel Higginson shared. Herewith Emily Dickinson's poem 'Dare you see a Soul at the White Heat', the inspiration for the title of this shimmering, revelatory work. Dare you see a Soul at the 'White Heat'? Dare you see a Soul at the 'White Heat'? Then crouch within the door? Red ? is the Fire's common tint? But when the vivid Ore Has vanquished Flame's conditions? It quivers from the Forge Without a color, but the Light of unannointed Blaze? Least Village, boasts it's Blacksmith? Whose Anvil's even ring Stands symbol for the finer Forge That soundless tugs ? within ? Refining these impatient Ores With Hammer, and with Blaze Until the designated Light Repudiate the Forge? KEEP CLICKING: About WHITE HEAT: THE FRIENDSHIP OF EMILY DICKINSON AND THOMAS WENTWORTH HIGGINSON About Brenda Wineapple More from Emily Dickinson Download a free broadside of "The Hotel Room Mirror" Meet W. S. DiPiero -- ? ?=2 0 White Heat copyright 2008 by Brenda Wineapple. Excerpted by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, a division of Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission in writing from the publisher. We welcome your feedback. Please send any thoughts or questions to knopfwebmaster@randomhouse.com You received this issue because your email address is in Knopf's Poem-a-Day mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a blank email to unsub_knopfpoetry@info.randomhouse.com. Or if you received this poem as a forward and wish to subscribe, send a blank email to sub_knopfpoetry@info.randomhouse.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080812/ee0401d2/attachment.html From browning at splitthisrock.org Tue Aug 12 10:45:53 2008 From: browning at splitthisrock.org (browning@splitthisrock.org) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:51 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry Message-ID: <20080812074553.250ac6c7a57c1d80c98ce455d907f8f1.4f2dd17a19.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Five hundred sets of sheets were printed (half were bound in February 1936 with a round-back spine and these constitute the second issue). Thomas was only 20 when the book appeared and had just moved to London the previous month. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080812/9952483b/attachment.html From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Aug 12 16:18:41 2008 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry In-Reply-To: <20080812074553.250ac6c7a57c1d80c98ce455d907f8f1.4f2dd17a19.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Sorry if this was already mentioned (I looked, but . . .) Dead Man by Jarmusch with Johnny Dep who plays a spud from the East called William Blake. William knows nothing of his namesake but runs to an Indian ("Nobody," nod to Pound?) who knows the poetry of Blake and recites it throughout the film. The CD (A Neil Young soundtrack, a study in deferral, contains even more Blake, ready by Nobody and Dep.) All set in the west about the 1870s. Lovely black and white and funny as hell.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080812/ba90ea5f/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 19:43:12 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry In-Reply-To: <20080812074553.250ac6c7a57c1d80c98ce455d907f8f1.4f2dd17a19.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <713893.45115.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thank you, Sarah!? I corrected it ... Cheers, Amy --- On Tue, 8/12/08, browning@splitthisrock.org wrote: From: browning@splitthisrock.org Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry To: amyhappens@yahoo.com, "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:45 AM THank you, Amy - fabulous! ? One thing: It's "Kiss of the Spider Woman" not "Curse of the Spider Woman."?Raul Julia should have gotten an Oscar, as well as or maybe instead of William Hurt... ? Sarah -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry From: amy king Date: Mon, August 11, 2008 12:16 pm To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Thanks to everyone who made suggestions! If you want me to add your last name for your credit, just drop me a line. Enjoy: http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ _______ Recent http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml Alias http://www.amyking.org Your Suggestions http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080812/278f21b1/attachment.html From browning at splitthisrock.org Wed Aug 13 11:58:08 2008 From: browning at splitthisrock.org (browning) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:52 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry In-Reply-To: <713893.45115.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008001c8fd5d$622ea8b0$6701a8c0@SBLAPTOP> My pleasure. Great list! ** Sarah Browning Co-Director Split This Rock Poetry Festival c/o Institute for Policy Studies 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, DC 20036 browning@splitthisrock.org www.splitthisrock.org 202-787-5210 _____ From: new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces@wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of amy king Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:43 PM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry Thank you, Sarah! I corrected it ... Cheers, Amy --- On Tue, 8/12/08, browning@splitthisrock.org wrote: From: browning@splitthisrock.org Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry To: amyhappens@yahoo.com, "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:45 AM THank you, Amy - fabulous! One thing: It's "Kiss of the Spider Woman" not "Curse of the Spider Woman." Raul Julia should have gotten an Oscar, as well as or maybe instead of William Hurt... Sarah -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [New-Poetry] The List of Movies with Poetry From: amy king Date: Mon, August 11, 2008 12:16 pm To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Thanks to everyone who made suggestions! If you want me to add your last name for your credit, just drop me a line. Enjoy: http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ _______ Recent http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Reviews/kiss-me.html http://jacketmagazine.com/34/dickow-king.shtml Alias http://www.amyking.org Your Suggestions http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ _____ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080813/8eeb955a/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Aug 13 13:43:27 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fw=3A_eps_124=3A_gottfried_benn=3A_p?= =?iso-8859-1?q?roblemas_de_la_poes=EDa_l=EDrica_=28II=29?= Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: elpoema seminal To: lcervortiz@yahoo.com.mx Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: eps 124: gottfried benn: problemas de la poes?a l?rica (II) n124 [25.07.08] elpoemaseminal gottfried benn: problemas de la poes?a l?rica (II) atisbos PROBLEMAS DE LA POES?A L?RICA (II) Gottfried Benn Versi?n y edici?n de Jos? Manuel Recillas (El oscuro sendero del hombre. Antolog?a conmemorativa, de pr?xima aparici?n en Ediciones Alforja) A hora una palabra sobre el asunto de mi anterior argumento. He dicho que el autor posee un germen creativo, una materia ps?quica. En otras palabras, esto ser?a entonces el objeto que debe ser traducido en un poema. A este respecto tambi?n hay interesantes discusiones, en particular de la escuela francesa, incluido Poe en ella, retomadas recientemente en un ensayo de Eliot. Uno dice: el argumento es s?lo un medio para el fin, el fin es el poema. Otro dice: un poema no debe tomar como objeto m?s que a s? mismo. Un tercero: un poema no expresa absolutamente nada, un poema es. En Hoffmansthal, que al menos en su ?ltimo periodo creativo acept? conscientemente el v?nculo con el culto, la cultura y la naci?n, he hallado una expresi?n asaz radical: "No hay ninguna v?a que conduzca directamente de la poes?a a la vida, ni de la vida a la poes?a" - esto no puede querer decir m?s que la poes?a, esto es el simple poema individual, es aut?nomo, una vida en s? mismo, y lo confirma la frase siguiente: "Las palabras son todo." M?s famosa que ninguna otra es la m?xima de Mallarm?: un poema no surge de los sentimientos, sino de las palabras. Eliot asume la singular posici?n seg?n la cual incluso la po?sie pure debe conservar una cierta dosis de impureza y en un cierto sentido el argumento debe ser evaluado por s? mismo si un solo poema debe ser sentido como poes?a. Dir? que detr?s de cada poema siempre est? ?por invisible que sea? el autor, su naturaleza, su ser, su situaci?n interior: incluso los objetos aparecen en el poema porque previamente eran sus objetos, por ende en cualquier caso en ?l subsiste esa impureza en el sentido de Eliot. En resumen, sostengo que en la poes?a l?rica no hay otro argumento que el poeta l?rico mismo.17 Me dirijo a un tercer tema particular y con eso probablemente me anticipo a una de sus preguntas. Me preguntar?n, de hecho, ?qu? es en sustancia la palabra? Los te?ricos de la poes?a l?rica y los poetas l?ricos hablan siempre de la palabra, pero nosotros tenemos palabras, ustedes incluso tienen palabras especiales - en resumen, ?qu? es la palabra? Pregunta sumamente dif?cil, pero deseo intentar responderles; sin embargo, debo recurrir a experiencias personales, experiencias de un tipo particular. Colores y sonidos existen en la naturaleza, las palabras no. En Goethe leemos: "De enjabelgadores se ha visto salir pintores excelentes"; debemos agregar que la relaci?n con la palabra es de ?ndole primaria, y esta relaci?n no se puede aprender. Es posible aprender equilibrismos, funambulismos, acrobacias, actos de faquir, pero componer con palabras de forma fascinante es algo que se sabe o no se sabe. La palabra es el falo del esp?ritu, arraigada en su centro. Enti?ndase bien, arraigada en forma nacional. Cuadros, estatuas, sonatas, sinfon?as son internacionales - la poes?a jam?s. Se puede definir a la poes?a como lo intraducible por excelencia. La conciencia crece en las palabras, trasciende en ellas. "Olvidar" - ?qu? significan estas letras? Nada, en s? mismas son inteligibles. Pero la conciencia est? ligada a ellas en una determinada direcci?n, en esas letras algo resuena, y estas letras, colocadas una al lado de la otra, repercuten ac?stica y emocionalmente en nuestra conciencia. Por esta raz?n, oublier nunca ser? id?ntico a "olvidar". O nevermore, con sus dos s?labas iniciales breves y cerradas, seguidas del oscuro y fluido more -en la que hay un eco de Moor [pantano] y de la mort- no equivaldr? a "nunca m?s" [nimmermehr]; nevermore es mucho m?s bello. Las connotaciones de las palabras superan su contenido informativo; por una parte son esp?ritu, pero por otra participan de la esencia y ambig?edad de las cosas de la naturaleza.18 Para ser claro, me dirigir? a otro periodo de mi producci?n. Perm?tanme leerles lo que escrib? en 1923 sobre la relaci?n entre Yo l?rico19 y palabra. Les ruego escuchen: Existen en el mar organismos del sistema zool?gico inferior cubiertos de cilias vibrantes. Estas cilias constituyen el ?rgano sensitivo animal antes de la diferenciaci?n en energ?a sensitiva diferenciada, el ?rgano general del tacto, la relaci?n con el ambiente marino. Imag?nese un individuo completamente cubierto de similares cilias vibr?tiles, no ?nicamente sobre el cerebro sino en todo el cuerpo. Su funci?n es espec?fica, la funci?n de reaccionar a los impulsos se halla fuertemente aislada: reacciona a la palabra, particularmente al sustantivo, menos al adjetivo, a duras penas a las figuras verbales. Reacciona al s?mbolo, a su imagen impresa, a la letra negra, s?lo a ella.20 Interrumpo por un instante mis viejas frases y subrayo: las cilias vibr?tiles sirven para aproximarse palpando a algo, y esto es: a palabras; y estas palabras palpadas confluyen en un signo, en una figura estil?stica. Aqu? ya no est? m?s la luna para "llenar setos y valles" como hace doscientos a?os, observen, esta letra negra es ya un producto del arte,21 estamos entonces echando una mirada en un estrato intermedio entre naturaleza y esp?ritu, vemos que aqu? est? en juego algo que ha recibido previamente la impronta del esp?ritu, algo que aparece ya formado t?cnicamente. Estas cilias vibr?tiles no siempre est?n activas, tienen su hora. El Yo l?rico es un Yo fragmentario, un Yo encerrado, experto en fugas, consagrado al duelo. Siempre aguarda su hora, esa en la que se calienta por breves instantes; espera sus complejos meridionales con su "valor de efervescencia", es decir valores de ebriedad, a trav?s de los cuales alcanza a traspasar la red de las conexiones, esto es a fragmentar la realidad, y esto crea el espacio libre para la poes?a - por medio de las palabras.22 Entonces en tal hora - continuemos escuchando: A veces no se est? tan lejos de esta hora que es presente ya. Leyendo un libro, no innumerables libros desordenadamente, confusiones de eras, mezcolanza de materias y aspectos, apertura de ulteriores estratos tipol?gicos: un inicio torrencial, extasiado. Ahora un cansancio de pesadas noches, desmoronamiento de estructuras m?s com?nmente ?tiles, necesarias para las grandes horas. Entonces se aproximan ya las palabras, palabras mezcladas, imperceptibles a la claridad, pero las cilias ya las advierten. Oh, si se pudiese entablar amistad con el azul, ?qu? felicidad, qu? experiencia! Pi?nsense en todos los vac?os, bellas tentativas, en los pre?mbulos carentes de sugerencias por este colorido, se puede entonces llenar el coraz?n con el cielo de Zanz?bar sobre las buganvilias y el mar de los sirtos, se puede entonces pensar en esta eterna y bella palabra. No hablo in?tilmente del azul. Es la palabra meridional por excelencia, el exponente del "complejo lig?rico", de enorme "valor emocional"; el instrumento principal para la "destrucci?n de los nexos", tras el cual inicia la autocombusti?n, el "fanal mortal" a trav?s del cual los reinos lejanos se apresuran para introducirse en el orden de aquella "cadav?rica hiperemia".23 Feacios, megal?ticos, territorios lernios ?de cualquier modo nombres, en parte inventados por m?, pero cuando se aproximan, se multiplican: Astart?, Geta, Her?clito?, ciertas anotaciones en mis libros, pero cuando su hora se aproxima, es la hora de los auletos que van por los bosques, deponen sus alas, sus barcas, sus coronas, como anatemas o elementos de la poes?a. Palabras, palabras: ?Sustantivos! Basta que abran sus alas y siglos enteros se precipitan. Tomemos "bosque de an?monas", y hay entre los troncos una sutil, diminuta hierba, m?s all? hay prados de narcisos, vapores y brumas de todos los c?lices, el viento exhala olivo y sal sobre las gradas de m?rmol, remolinos, disolvi?ndose en lontananza; o bien tomemos "olivos" o "teogon?a": siglos enteros se precipitan. Bot?nica y geograf?a, pueblos y pa?ses, todos los mundos sistem?ticamente perdidos hallan aqu? su florecimiento, su sue?o: toda la ligereza, toda la melancol?a, toda la desesperaci?n del esp?ritu se vuelven perceptibles en los estratos de una hendidura del concepto.24 Concluyamos esta remembranza de 1923 con las siguientes frases: Potencia dif?cilmente explicable de la palabra, que disuelve y enlaza. Forastera potencia de la hora de la cual pujan figuras bajo el ?mpetu de la nada sedienta de forma. Realidad trascendente de la estrofa plena de tramontos y de retornos: la caducidad del individuo y el ser cosmol?gico, en ella se transfigura su ant?tesis, ella sostiene los mares y la altura de la noche y hace de la creaci?n un sue?o estigio: "Nunca y siempre". No deseo decir m?s de la palabra. No s? si he logrado esclarecer que aqu? hay algo sumamente particular. Deberemos aceptar el hecho que las palabras poseen una existencia latente que opera como encantamiento y la coloca en condici?n de transmitirlo. Esto me parece el misterio ?ltimo, frente al cual nuestra conciencia siempre insomne, totalmente analizada, interrumpida s?lo por trances ocasionales, advierte su l?mite. Observemos un instante lo hasta aqu? expuesto. En lo que precede les he ilustrado tres temas particulares en el campo de la poes?a l?rica: primero, qu? aspecto no tiene un poema moderno, en segundo lugar el proceso de nacimiento de un poema, en tercer lugar he intentado hablar acerca de la palabra. En nuestro campo a?n hay muchos temas especiales, demasiados - uno importante ser?a el ejemplo de la rima. Homero, Safo, Horacio, Virgilio no la conoc?an, pero estaba en Walther von der Vogelweide y en los trovadores. Quien se interese en la historia de la rima hallar? en Curtius material interesante en la obra Literatura europea y Edad Media. En Goethe he hallado la sorprendente observaci?n: "Desde que Klopstock nos liber? de la rima" - hoy diremos que los ritmos libres que nos inculcaron Klopstock y H?lderlin son utilizados hoy por poetas mediocres y son a?n m?s insoportables que la rima. En todo caso la rima es un principio ordenador y un control hacia el interior del poema. Que Verlaine y Rilke, quienes por principio se serv?an de la rima, hayan sido capaces por ?ltimo de llevar una vez m?s a su plena expresi?n toda la fascinaci?n de la rima, me parece fuera de discusi?n; aqu? se evidencia el elemento sacro y refinado de la rima. Desde entonces quiz? se ha alcanzado un cierto agotamiento de la rima m?s cercana; algunos autores buscan refrescarla insertando nombres propios y palabras de origen extranjero, pero esto no basta para devolverle su antigua posici?n. A trav?s de Curtius veo que no es la primera vez que esto sucede en la literatura; por ejemplo, dice: "Los provenzales forzaron en demas?a la rima - en la exhibici?n virtuosa de rimas raras la m?sica se disuelve y el significado se pierde." El autor l?rico, en cuanto a s? mismo, advertir? la rima siempre como un principio que no coincide con ?l pero que le es sugerido por la lengua, lo considerar? siempre con actitud particularmente cr?tica y a menudo estar? ante ella dubitativo. En el citado cuestionario americano sobre la poes?a l?rica hay tambi?n una pregunta concerniente a la rima, y una respuesta que quisiera transmitirles. Un cierto Randall Jarrell responde: "La rima tiene para m? una cierta fascinaci?n como elemento estructural subsidiario de naturaleza autom?tica cuando es tratada autom?ticamente, pero sobre todo me es querida cuando es irregular, viva e imperceptible". Estos eran algunos temas espec?ficos en el campo de la poes?a l?rica. Ahora debemos mirar directamente a los ojos a quien da lugar a todo esto, el Yo l?rico directamente, en face y en condiciones de absoluto rigor. Como fen?meno, desde el punto de vista psicol?gico y sociol?gico, ?de qu? naturaleza son estos poetas? Antes que nada, en contraste con la opini?n com?n, no son so?adores; los dem?s pueden so?ar, ellos son utilizadores de sue?os, incluso los sue?os deben en definitiva ser llevados a la palabra. Propiamente no son siquiera hombres espirituales, estetas, hacen arte, y por ello necesitan de cerebros duros, macizos, un cerebro con dientes caninos que rompan las resistencias, incluso las suyas propias. Son peque?o-burgueses con un impulso particular, nacido mitad por vulcanismo y mitad por apat?a. En el ?mbito de las relaciones sociales no resultan particularmente interesantes ?Tasso en Ferrara?, estos asuntos han terminado, ya no m?s Eleonoras ni coronas de laurel que muden de frentes. Pero tampoco son asaltadores del cielo, tit?nicos, a lo sumo son asaz tranquilos, ?ntimamente tranquilos, no pueden querer llevar a t?rmino todo de un momento a otro, necesitan llevar en s? los temas por a?os, deben saber callar. Val?ry call? por veinte a?os, Rilke no escribi? por catorce a?os ning?n poema, despu?s aparecieron las Eleg?as del Duino. Piensen en un paralelo en el ?mbito de la m?sica: primero fue la canci?n "Tr?ume" [Sue?os], sobre palabras de la Wesendonk,25 y luego, despu?s de a?os, surgi? el segundo acto del Trist?n. Y s?lo por razones locales, debido a que me hallo frente a ustedes y hablo sobre el tema, agrego un recuerdo personal, para mostrarles la lentitud de la producci?n: en mi volumen Statische Gedichte [Poemas est?ticos] hay un poema compuesto s?lo de dos estrofas, pero entre ambas hay en medio veinte a?os, la primera estrofa ya la ten?a, me gustaba pero no sab?a hallarle una segunda, luego finalmente, tras dos decenios de intentos, de ejercicios, de pruebas, de rechazos, me vino la segunda, es el poema Welle der Nacht- [Ola de la noche]26 tan largamente debe llevarse algo dentro de uno, un arco tan amplio se tiende a veces en un poema tan peque?o. Entonces, ?qu? son? Extravagantes, habitantes de estancias solas, ellos dejan perder la existencia para existir, y no importa si los otros definen un poema como una historia de algo que no ha sucedido y como ego?smo la maestr?a del arte. En rigor, ellos son solamente apariciones, y una vez que ?stas han muerto y se les saca de la cruz, es necesario reconocer honestamente que en la cruz se pusieron ellos solos - ?qu? los oblig? a ello? Algo debe haberlos constre?ido. Para acercarles este tipo tambi?n desde otra perspectiva, deseo ahora llamar su atenci?n sobre otro hecho. Busquen qu? diferencia fundamental hay entre el pensador y el poeta, entre el erudito y el artista, que suelen ser mencionados juntos por el p?blico, puestos en el mismo estanco como si entre ellos hubiese una identidad sustancial. ?Todo lo contrario! Totalmente abandonado a s? mismo el artista. Un docente libre trabaja sobre las aleaciones de cobre utilizadas en Europa hace dos mil a?os, tiene a su disposici?n an?lisis desde 1860 a 1948, en n?mero de cuatro mil setecientos veintinueve; a su disposici?n tiene una literatura cr?tica firmada toda por ordinarios de reconocida fama, en la cual puede confiar, toda junta en cerca de tres mil p?ginas. A trav?s del sistema internacional de bibliotecas se informa de lo que hoy se piensa en Cambridge respecto a los minerales de veta gris, aprende merced a los boletines trimestrales del servicio universitario internacional de investigaci?n d?nde y qui?n trabaja en otros pa?ses sobre el mismo tema. Intercambio de opiniones, correspondencia - se asegura, se afirma, despu?s tal vez d? medio paso adelante, documenta semejante avance con piezas de apoyo, nunca aparece solo y abandonado a s? mismo. Nada de esto ocurre en el caso del artista. ?l est? solo, abandonado al silencio y al rid?culo. Tiene la responsabilidad de s? mismo. Comienza sus asuntos y los lleva a t?rmino. Sigue una voz interna que nadie oye. No sabe de d?nde proviene, ni lo que al final querr? decirle. Trabaja solo, el poeta trabaja particularmente solo, pues en cada decenio viven siempre pocos grandes poetas, dispersos en diversas naciones, portando en lenguas diversas, la mayor?a desconocidos entre ellos - esos phares, faros, como los llaman los franceses, esas figuras que iluminan por largo tiempo el gran mar de la creaci?n pero permanecen, ellos, en las tinieblas. Entonces, hay un Yo que dice de s? mismo: hoy soy as?. Este estado de ?nimo est? presente, se halla presente en m?. Esta lengua m?a, digamos mi lengua alemana, est? a mi disposici?n. Esta lengua con su tradici?n secular, con sus palabras acu?adas por poetas precedentes, gr?vida de significados y de atm?sferas extra?amente cargadas. Pero tambi?n las expresiones del slang, las formas de argot, Rotwelsch, introducidas en la conciencia ling??stica a trav?s de dos guerras mundiales, completadas por palabras de origen for?neo, citas, jerga deportiva, reminiscencias antiguas, todas est?n a mi disposici?n. El Yo de hoy, que aprende m?s de los peri?dicos que de la filosof?a, que est? m?s cercano al periodismo que a la Biblia, para el cual una cancioncilla de moda contiene m?s siglos que un motete, que cree m?s en un cierto desarrollo f?sico de las cosas que en Nain o en Lourdes, que ha experimentado que tal como uno se tiende as? permanece y nadie le arropa las frazadas - este Yo trabaja en una suerte de milagro, una diminuta estrofa, la creaci?n de una tensi?n entre dos polos, el Yo y su patrimonio ling??stico, trabaja en una elipsis cuyas curvas tienden primero a separarse pero despu?s se funden mutuamente en completa serenidad. Pero todo esto es a?n demasiado exterior, debemos seguir preguntando. ?Qu? hay detr?s, cu?l realidad y s?per-realidad se ocultan en este Yo l?rico? De esta forma mantenemos el contacto con los problemas. Este Yo l?rico se halla con las espaldas contra el muro por defensa y por agresividad. Se defiende contra el "centro" de la gente media que avanza. Est? enfermo, dice esta gente promedio, la suya no es una existencia ?ntima sana. Es un d?g?ner? - en resumen, ?de d?nde viene? Los grandes poetas de los ?ltimos cien a?os vienen de los rangos burgueses, responde el Yo l?rico, ninguno era toxic?mano, criminal o termin? sus d?as por mano propia, con excepci?n de los po?tes maudits franceses. Pero estos "enfermo y sano" me parecen conceptos extra?dos de la zoolog?a, acu?ados por veterinarios. Los estados de conciencia en s? no tienen lugar en ellos. Las diversas formas de cansancio, los inmotivados cambios de humor, las oscilaciones diurnas, la repentina necesidad ?ptica de verde, la ebriedad inducida por melod?as, la imposibilidad de dormir, las repulsiones, los malestares, los elevados sentimientos como las destrucciones - todas estas crisis de la conciencia, estos estigmas del cuaternario tard?o, toda esta sufriente interioridad no es considerada por estos conceptos. Bien, responde la gente promedio. Pero esto que su clique cultiva es est?ril cerebralismo, vac?o formalismo, es deshumanizaci?n, no es lo eterno en el hombre, son disturbios de la m?dula vital. ?Vuelva a la econom?a forestal, cultura de la tierra! ?Protejan las aguas fre?ticas, cuiden los viveros de truchas! ?Qu? dec?a Ruskin? "Todas las artes se fundan sobre el trabajo manual de la tierra". Yo por mi parte, dice el Yo l?rico, llegar? a lo m?ximo a los setenta a?os, estoy abandonado a m? mismo, no saco ning?n provecho de la gente promedio, ni siquiera soy capaz de sembrar, vivo en una city, la luz de ne?n me vivifica, estoy ligado a m? mismo, esto es ligado a un hombre, estoy vinculado a su hora actual. Pero, ?c?mo, pregunta la gente promedio, no quiere superarse a s? mismo? ?No compone versos para la humanidad? Esto es trascender al hombre hacia lo bajo, usted se burla de la visi?n global del hombre. Qu? significa este continuo hablar de la palabra, esto es el primado de lo material, rebajamiento del esp?ritu hacia lo inorg?nico, esta es la cuarta ?poca, fase suicida - ?lo que est? en juego es ni m?s ni menos la supervivencia de lo que es superior! Dejemos lo que es superior, responde el Yo l?rico, permanezcamos emp?ricos. Ciertamente ya tendr? sentido la palabra "Moira": ?sta es la porci?n que me ha sido asignada, ?sta es la Parca que dice: esta es tu hora, rec?rrela hasta sus confines, controla sus recursos, no te pierdas en lo gen?rico, no te pierdas con los fuegos fatuos de la supervivencia de lo superior, - t? eres alto, pues yo hablo contigo. Naturalmente no estar?s autorizado a penetrar en otros reinos, hay muchas Moiras, hablo tambi?n con otras, miro c?mo cada una interpreta mis palabras - pero ?sta es tu b?squeda, lo que te he asignado: busca tus palabras, dise?a tu morfolog?a, expr?sate. Acepta tranquilamente la tarea de una funci?n parcial, pero ejec?tala con seriedad, te lo digo en secreto: una voluminosa totalidad es un sue?o arcaico, incompatible con la hora actual. ?Su Moira! ?Una imagen contra la decisi?n moral de Occidente, dice la gente promedio! Y luego las Parcas - ?qu? c?modo! Usted habla de esto porque no sabe qu? m?s hacer. No es capaz de proporcionar una imagen verdadera y profunda del hombre. Usted con su arte aislado, productor de caricaturas y de devastaciones del mundo espiritual - es el conocimiento intuitivo, global, fisiogn?mico y simb?lico lo que debe cultivar. - Bien, dice el Yo l?rico, yo conozco sus tardeadas de lecturas - "Todo esto que es abstracto es inhumano" - me han fecundado, me han ense?ado a ver con absoluta claridad, de hecho no estamos para destruir o poner en peligro este "promedio", m?s bien ?ste nos pone en peligro y con esto lo que desear?a obtener. Nosotros, los ?ltimos residuos de un hombre que a?n cree en el absoluto y vive en ?l. Estos analistas de la gente promedio quieren quit?rnoslo. A sus ojos no somos m?s que un proceso morboso, son proclamadas las im?genes cl?nicas de la melancol?a y de la esquizofrenia para eliminarnos con un golpe de dados, permanecemos fuera del culto de la tierra y fuera del culto de los muertos, somos la mujer sin piernas en una especie de fiesta popular de octubre, somos muecas, semiexistencias malhadadas, todo el descr?dito que esta gente promedio nos puede procurar a ella le viene muy bien. Por esto debemos observar de una buena vez este centro de la gente promedio, debemos, con permiso, examinar este "promedio" que conoce todo, que sabe todo lo que fue y todo lo que vendr?, este llamado centro org?nico, natural, terrestre, el "centro" m?s bello de este mundo, incendiemos de una buena vez este "centro", este "centro" es Occidente que ya no quiere defenderse sino tener miedo, quiere sentirse abandonado. Para el desayuno un poco de serpiente Midgard y en la noche una tajada de oc?ano, lo ilimitado. No tener miedo significa ya ser irreligioso y antihumanista. Y con este miedo van en carrera desenfrenada a trav?s del tiempo, tienen tanta prisa: comienzan con la prueba del sapo, despu?s de ocho d?as quieren saber si est?n embarazados, y en el segundo mes el diagn?stico precoz de Galli Mainini para saber si ser? hombre o mujer. En el teatro, para aturdirse, quieren ver espect?culos en los cuales, en la primera escena, entre un hu?sped y a la vista de una muchacha se detenga at?nito, y en la segunda el camarero deba tropezar haciendo caer el estofado en la cabeza de un comensal - esto es el humor que redime, ligado a la tierra. Luego en casa se acuerdan nuevamente de su abandono y para tranquilizarse toman Phanodorm. Este "centro" pretende prescribirles qu? es l?cito poetizar y pensar, desde cu?l perspectiva pueden poetizar y pensar, y desea sin m?s ayudarlos; les proporciona psicoterapia y psicosom?tica que debe hacerlos id?neos al uso, sanarlos, armonizarlos con el mundo circundante, con el supramundo y el submundo; avanzan con pruebas de asociaci?n y procedimientos meditativos, hipnosis activa fraccionada, ejercicios colectivos e individuales, eliminaci?n de complejos; a cambio se les ofrece una nueva construcci?n de la personalidad neur?tica de acuerdo con los mejores preceptos sobre la constituci?n humana, y cuando hayan absorbido todo esto a expensas de la seguridad social, tal vez sean aptos de nuevo para una utilizaci?n pragm?tica, digamos cuarenta d?as en la industria textil. Este es, pues, el "centro" provisto de tantos an?lisis etiol?gicos o s?ntesis teleol?gicas - no, de este "centro" no acepto ense?anzas, mi centro est? intacto. De hecho, o el hombre posee hoy d?a un centro exactamente como en cualquier otro momento y es tambi?n hoy profundo, o jam?s lo tuvo. O su ley es capacidad de transformaci?n y a veces tambi?n de decadencia, o no posee ley alguna. O le ha sido confiado algo que ?l debe llevar a la expresi?n en cualquier circunstancia y sin importar ning?n peligro, o no le ha sido confiado absolutamente nada. Estos criterios de medida basados sobre milenios de una ?nica b?squeda cultural se hallan muy lejos de constituir las m?ximas de la entera ley antropol?gica, ?sta es m?s amplia y es algo m?s. Bajo esta ley se encuentran tambi?n las dem?s b?squedas culturales, las antihumanitarias, las pre-monote?stas, la egipcia, la minoica, la de los Chim?, bajo esta ley estar?n y surgir?n de nuevo las t?cnicas, la civilizaci?n de los robots, la civilizaci?n del radar.27 Por lo dem?s, este miedo del "centro" es un temor del todo particular, recientemente le? en un peri?dico de gran circulaci?n un anuncio, ampliamente destacado: "la gran angustia vital puede ser vencida con el el?xir revitalizador del doctor Schieffer, 3.50 marcos la botella." Prosigue el Yo l?rico: ?la situaci?n me parece parad?jica! En la ciencia este "centro" soporta todo, en el arte nada. Soporta la cibern?tica, la nueva ciencia de la creaci?n que crea el robot. ?Han pensado alguna vez que lo que la humanidad al d?a de hoy a?n piensa, lo que llama pensar, puede ser ya pensado por m?quinas, y estas m?quinas superan ya, adem?s, al hombre, las v?lvulas son m?s seguras, los circuitos m?s s?lidos que en este escombro inconexo de nuestro cuerpo, transforman letras en notas y proveen memoria por ocho horas, partes da?adas son amputadas y sustituidas por nuevas - entonces el mundo del pensamiento entra en los robots - y lo que a?n queda, ad?nde va? Tambi?n se puede afirmar que lo que la humanidad ha llamado pensar en los ?ltimos siglos no era en realidad pensar sino algo completamente distinto - como sea, ahora la cibern?tica asume esa tarea, que prev? poder restituir al hombre, por medio de montajes y mecanismos, su animismo extraviado, sus capacidades m?gicas, sus sentidos perdidos -, y en torno al robot saltan los conejos triploides, sesenta y seis cromosomas, personalmente a?n infecundos, pero con ochenta y ocho cromosomas se empieza a subir - en Estocolmo el doctor A. Bane y G?sta H?ggqvist inauguran la nueva estaci?n: estatura gigantesca, miembros enormes, genitales tit?nicos - una nueva fauna est? surgiendo - y los pintores deber?an avanzar con las aureolas doradas de los cuadros de v?rgenes y los poetas con la devoci?n pentecostal de Paul Gerhardt - ?no, me parece absurdo! Notas 17 El tema de la autonom?a del lenguaje fue siempre una de las obsesiones de nuestro poeta, incluso desde sus primeros textos, principalmente los narrativos. 18 Este breve pasaje resulta ilustrativo en extremo de lo que el autor denomina, una y otra vez, la Palabra meridional, das s?dliche Wort, la asociaci?n de palabras, como en el episodio de Der Geburtstag en que R?nne realiza este ejercicio al ver el anuncio de cigarros Maita. Ya en una de sus obras maestras tempranas hallamos, desde el t?tulo inicial, Karandasch, una palabra que no significa nada, pero que igual que el anuncio de cigarros que ve R?nne, es producto de otro anuncio que Benn observ? en Bruselas sobre un tipo de plumillas suizas para escribir, caran d'ache, transformado en una asociaci?n absoluta. En el fondo de esta actitud frente al lenguaje, es decir de su absoluta autonom?a por carecer de cualquier significado inherente, est? en esencia la base de su Ausdruckswelt, Mundo-de-la-expresi?n, manifiesta desde sus primeras composiciones. 19 Se trata tambi?n de otro concepto l?rico, si bien ?ste no es exclusivo de Benn. Usualmente los traductores no advierten que se trata de un concepto de fundamental importancia, y simplemente lo traducen con min?scula inicial. Debe aparecer siempre en may?sculas, pues Benn no habla del yo emp?rico de todos los d?as. 20 Cito de acuerdo con mi traducci?n a Lebensweg eines Intellektualisten, Trayectoria de un intelectualista, Verdehalago, M?xico, 1999, p. 59. Tanto esta auto-referencia como la subsiguiente, est?n tomadas, a su vez, del ensayo de 1927 Lyrisches Ich, reproducido despu?s en Dopelleben. Contrario a lo que suponen los desprevenidos lectores de esta conferencia, la actitud de Benn frente a los sustantivos, los adjetivos y los verbos, no fue siempre la misma. De hecho, en el periodo a que pertenece esta conferencia, a su vejez, sus opiniones al respecto eran opuestos a los sostenidos en su juventud. En sus inicios, el Benn expresionista ten?a una marcada preferencia por los verbos. Por el contrario, el Benn tard?o exaltar?a su preferencia por los sustantivos est?ticos para su poes?a l?rica. 21 Ya desde sus inicios Benn sosten?a esta convicci?n, que alejaba por completo toda noci?n de inspiraci?n, de azar, en la composici?n del poema. En Der junge Hebbel ya est? presente este concepto fundamental de su po?tica. Cfr. Jos? Manuel Recillas, Aproximaciones al expresionismo, vol. 8, Gottfried Benn, pp. 3 ss. 22 Benn se cita sin indicarlo al lector. Se trata del siguiente pasaje del ya citado ensayo de 1927, Lyrisches Ich: "El Yo l?rico siempre espera por su hora, que calienta los momentos para ?l, espera sus complejos meridionales con su "valor de arrebato", a saber el valor de intoxicaci?n [Rauschwert], en la irrupci?n-total [Zusammenhangsdurchsto?ung] que significa que la desintegraci?n de la realidad puede verificarse, que la libertad trabaja para el poema a trav?s de las palabras". La traducci?n es m?a. 23 Benn vuelve a citar el siguiente pasaje de su ensayo de 1927: "No por nada digo azul. Es la quintaesencia de la Palabra meridional, el exponente del complejo lig?rico, de enormes valores de arrebato, el medio principal para la irrupci?n-total [Zusammenhangsdurchsto?ung] a partir de la cual empieza la combusti?n espont?nea, el fanal mortal, en cual, el lejano reino, se vierten para irrogarse en el orden de esa p?lida hiperemia." 24 Cito de acuerdo con mi traducci?n a Lebensweg eines Intellektualisten, Op. cit., pp. 60-61. Hay que se?alar dos cuestiones respecto a estos pasajes: primero, en ellos Benn recapitula buena parte de los temas que expone su m?s portentoso libro de madurez, Statische Gedichte, publicado en 1948 en Suiza. En segundo lugar, respecto a este procedimiento de citarse y autocitarse. Sin duda, el Benn maduro lo hac?a ya desde inicios de la d?cada de 1930, cuando se percata del valor de sus propias teor?as, cuando ?stas dejan de ser un asunto privado, particular, y se vuelven un verdadero edificio conceptual digno de constituirse en ejemplo p?blico, y constituir? uno de los elementos fundamentales de su escritura tard?a, ejemplarmente testimoniada con la t?cnica del montaje en su ?ltimo libro de poemas, Apr?slude. 25 Para el lector familiarizado ?nicamente con el ?mbito literario, como sucede con la mayor?a de los poetas mexicanos, ajenos por completo al orbe musical culto, es necesario recordarle que Mathilde Wesendonk (1828-1902) fue amante de Wagner y la inspiradora del Trist?n e Isolda; escribi? cinco poemas que musicaliz? Wagner y en los cuales ya est?n algunas de las semillas que germinar?an en la ?pera a ella debida. 26 El poema es el siguiente: "Ola de la noche: arietes y delfines / con el ligero fardo de Jacinto, / la adelfa y el travertino / ondean por el vac?o palacio istriano. // Ola de la noche: dos conchas elegidas / la marea las mueve y tambi?n los riscos, / entonces la diadema y el p?rpura se pierden / y la blanca perla rueda murmurante al mar"; cito de acuerdo a mi traducci?n in?dita del citado libro. El poema ha sido calificado a menudo de oscuro, herm?tico, incomprensible. No es as?. Ha sido profusamente estudiado, seg?n rese?a A. P. Dierick, en Op. cit., pp. 114 ss. Una m?s breve interpretaci?n se halla en la erudita nota a la edici?n de Giuliano Baioni, Poesie Statiche, Giulio Einaudi editore, Torino, 1972, pp. 132-133, y puede hallarse reproducida en mi edici?n in?dita del mismo libro. 27 Referencia a dos conceptos fundamentales, elaborados en obras anteriores. Por un lado, la civilizaci?n de los robots hace referencia al pasaje "El estilo del futuro", reproducido en Doppelleben, en donde el autor hace referencia a la evoluci?n de sus planteamientos l?ricos precedentes de autonom?a del lenguaje con respecto a la realidad circundante y circunstancial. Si el lenguaje alcanza tal grado de autonomizaci?n, entonces no s?lo se manifestar? por s? mismo, sino que ser? "el estilo de los robots, arte del montaje" por lo que "el hombre deber? ser reconstituido a trav?s de una nueva combinaci?n de modos de decir, proverbios, nonsense, argucias, y puesto sobre la m?s amplia base de apoyo: un hombre entre comillas". Se trata, sin duda, de la m?s radical manifestaci?n de su temprana teor?a de la palabra meridional. Por su parte, la civilizaci?n del radar hace referencia al ensayo Der Radardenker, El pensador radar, que ser? integrado posteriormente a su novela Roman das Ph?notyps, y que ser? despu?s parcialmente utilizado tambi?n en su magistral pieza conversacional, S. Draghici dixit, Die Stimme hinter dem Vorhang, La voz detr?s del tel?n; de acuerdo con la Draghici, "el marco moderno de la mente de la posguerra es retratado con su receptividad no selectiva frente a todo lo que se le atraviese en su camino, por as? decirlo. Le falta cualquier capacidad de introspecci?n, as? como de an?lisis en profundidad y de s?ntesis sistem?tica", en The Voice behind the Screen, Plutarch Press, Washington, 1996, p. 57. testimonios Peque?o aster Un camionero ahogado de cerveza fue descargado en la mesa. Alguno le hab?a metido un aster lilaclaroscuro entre los dientes. Mientras yo a partir del pecho debajo de la piel con un largo cuchillo extirpaba lengua y paladar debo haberlo empujado, pues resbal? en el cerebro de al lado. Se lo empaquet? en el hueco del pecho entre las virutas mientras lo cos?an. ?B?bete todo el jarr?n ! ?Descansa en paz, peque?o aster! Ciclo El molar solitario de una ninfa muerta no identificada ten?a un arreglo de oro. Los dem?s se hab?an marchado como a una cita furtiva. El sirvecad?veres se lo arranc? a golpes lo empe??, y se fue p`al baile. Total, dijo s?lo el polvo ha de volver al polvo... Novia del negro Entonces yac?a sobre almohadas de sangre oscura la nuca rubia de una mujer blanca. El sol rabiaba en su pelo y le lam?a largamente el muslo claro, y se hincaba en torno de sus m?s parduscos senos intactos a?n de vicio y parto. A su lado un negro: por coz de pezu?a equina ojos y frente destrozados. Penetraba con dos dedos de su inmundo pie izquierdo en el interior de su peque?a oreja blanca. Pero ella yac?a y dorm?a como una novia: en el fest?n de su dicha del primer amor y como al umbral del inicio de muchas Ascensiones de la tibia sangre joven. Hasta que le hundieron el cuchillo en la blanca garganta y le echaron un mandil p?rpura de sangre muerta en torno a las caderas. Hermosa juventud La boca de una ni?a que hab?a estado tendida largamente en el juncal, estaba como ro?da. Cuando le partieron el pecho, el es?fago estaba como agujereado. Por fin, en una glorieta bajo el diafragma, encontraron un nido de j?venes ratas. Una hermanita chiquita estaba muerta. Las otras viv?an de h?gado y ri??n, beb?an la sangre fr?a y hab?an pasado all? una hermosa juventud. Y hermosa y r?pida les vino tambi?n la muerte: las echaron toditas al agua. ?Uy, como chillaban los hocicos chiquitos! R?quiem Por mesa, hay dos. Varones y hembras en cruz. Juntos, nudos, m?s sin pena. Partido el cr?neo. Deshecho el pecho. Los cuerpos Est?n de parto en su vez postrera. Cubetas llenas. Del seso al huevo Y el templo de Dios y el establo del diablo. pues pecho a pecho el fondo de una tirra de G?lgota y Ca?da hacen escarnio. El resto en cajas. Renacimientos: Androspiernas, pecho de ni?o y pelo de hembra: de dos que un d?a se amancebaron lo vi all?, como surgido de un regazo. Del ciclo Morgue, traducci?n de Susana Romano, www.poeticas.com.ar/directorio/Poetas_miembros/Gottfried_Benn.html zonas OVIDIO EN EL iPOD Jos? Emilio Pacheco ?Qu? lugar ocupa la poes?a en la vida cotidiana? ?C?mo le va ante competidores tan poderosos como el rock o el futbol? ?Se transformar? ante la masificaci?n de los medios? Jos? Emilio Pacheco analiza las m?ltiples paradojas de un g?nero que, hoy d?a, es pura resistencia. Hace poco se reunieron en el Z?calo de la capital veinte mil ajedrecistas. Si convoc?ramos a una reuni?n semejante de lectores de poes?a acaso lograr?amos juntar apenas mil. En cambio, un llamado a todas las personas que la escriben en M?xico tal vez duplicar?a o triplicar?a la cantidad de quienes practican el ajedrez. Es s?lo una entre las muchas paradojas de la poes?a. Nadie puede explicarnos c?mo se sostiene una actividad en que la oferta sobrepasa por cien o por mil la demanda, ni c?mo es posible una separaci?n de esta naturaleza entre lectura y escritura. Sin embargo la poes?a florece en M?xico de un modo que nadie se imagina. No hay estado, no existe ciudad en que no funcionen talleres de poes?a, revistas y sobre todo libros, a menudo de gran calidad, que rara vez o nunca salen de su lugar de origen. ll Celebro todas las formas electr?nicas, esc?nicas o gr?ficas en que se difunde, pero aqu? hablo de la poes?a como de un arte ?ntimo, algo que se escribe en la soledad y se lee en el silencio para lograr as? la comunicaci?n m?s honda que pueda establecerse entre dos seres humanos. Leo, es decir, le doy a dos versos de Job mi voz interior, la que nadie podr? escuchar nunca, Pues nosotros somos de ayer y nada sabemos y nuestros d?as en la Tierra son como sombra. En ese instante todo se actualiza y se vuelve real. El texto est? hablando s?lo para m?. No pienso que esas palabras me llegan desde el fondo de los milenios y mediante muchas traducciones de traducciones que desembocaron hacia 1600 en la versi?n de Casiodoro de Reina y Cipriano de Valera. Otra gran paradoja de la poes?a es ser, como dijo George Orwell, un arte de familia que s?lo pueden disfrutar y entender a cabalidad los hablantes nativos de una lengua, los ?nicos capaces de apreciar cada matiz de sonido y sentido. La tercera paradoja es constituir una expresi?n transnacional e interling??stica, dir?amos hoy, en que la mayor?a de nuestras lecturas son traducciones de otros idiomas, otras culturas, otras ?pocas a menudo muy remotas. lll Hace cincuenta a?os, por los d?as finales de 1957, apareci? Piedra de sol, el gran poema de Octavio Paz. Se preguntaba: ?la vida, cu?ndo fue de veras nuestra?, ?cu?ndo somos de veras lo que somos?, [...] nunca la vida es nuestra, es de los otros, la vida no es de nadie, todos somos la vida -pan de sol para los otros, los otros todos que nosotros somos [...] All? alcanzaba su punto m?s alto algo iniciado en el convento de Tlatelolco, durante el siglo XVI, cuando se fundi? la poes?a n?huatl con la tradici?n grecolatina y las novedades importadas de Italia para renovar la l?rica espa?ola. Fernando de Alva Ixtlilx?chitl tradujo en liras como las de Garcilaso y fray Luis de Le?n los poemas de Nezahualc?yotl y estableci? una l?nea que dar? a sor Juana, a los modernistas y los "Contempor?neos". Todo eso culmina en Muerte sin fin (1939) y dieciocho a?os m?s tarde en Piedra de sol. Pareci? claro entonces que la poes?a mexicana fue excelente, l?stima que nadie se enorgulleciera de ella y no saliese casi nunca de las fronteras nacionales. En adelante s?lo quedaban la oscuridad y el vac?o. Despu?s de 1957 nadie se interesar?a por leerla, nadie se arriesgar?a a escribirla, se crey?. El mundo moderno, la era posterior a Auschwitz e Hiroshima, ya la hab?a convertido en una actividad anacr?nica. lV Gabriel Garc?a M?rquez y Carlos Monsiv?is han insistido en que la poes?a fue derrocada, perdi? el sitio central que tuvo en nuestras sociedades y por lo tanto en nuestras vidas. No estoy seguro de esta afirmaci?n. Hallo por todas partes datos contradictorios. De un lado est?, por ejemplo, el fen?meno de masas que fue en 1919 el entierro apote?sico de Amado Nervo. Del otro, el hecho incontrovertible de que libros tan influyentes como Cantos de vida y esperanza (1905) de Rub?n Dar?o no alcanzaron tiradas de m?s de quinientos ejemplares. Puede ser que el libro era, como lo es hoy, la base pero no el medio esencial de difusi?n. Los peri?dicos reproduc?an poemas en sitios que poco a poco fue llenando la publicidad. A falta de discos, radio, televisi?n e internet, en las reuniones se tocaba el piano y se declamaba. En las ceremonias se le?an poemas alusivos. En las escuelas se practicaba la declamaci?n. Aqu? me declaro culpable de haber contribuido desde mi insignificancia a su destierro. Como todos, hice de mis ineptitudes mi dogma y mi doctrina. No tuve talento para declamar, por tanto la juzgu? una actividad pomposa y cursi. Puede ser, pero lo cierto es que la declamaci?n nos ense?aba a hablar y a pronunciar bien, daba el gusto por la lengua materna y el placer por su sentido r?tmico y nos proporcionaba un vocabulario no tan restringido como el de nuestro "Basic Spanish", las doscientas o trescientas palabras con que hoy todos nos comunicamos. V A fines de siglo la aparici?n de la computadora personal suscit? la esperanza: al fin nos librar?amos de la hojarasca que destruye los bosques y congestiona los archivos. Ahora vemos que la multiplic? al infinito. La otra gran ilusi?n fue ver en la pantalla escrita el sitio en que se reconciliar?an Gutenberg y Edison. Es cierto que hoy se escribe m?s que nunca, pero con toda honradez hay que preguntarse si el correo electr?nico y el surgimiento democr?tico de un inmenso bloguetariado, en que las estrellas del blog se aprestan a sustituir a las estrellas del rock, han hecho que por la simple pr?ctica intensiva mejoren nuestra prosa y nuestro sentido del idioma. Por otra parte, cada d?a es mayor el influjo del newspeak de los tel?fonos celulares en la redacci?n de nuestros mensajes. Otra pregunta es si de verdad el progreso medi?tico hizo desaparecer a los declamadores o nada m?s los actualiz?. Por cada diez mil personas dispuestas a escuchar poemas acompa?ados por m?sica y espect?culos, s?lo hay veinte con la voluntad de comprar los libros donde se hallan los textos que tanto aplaudieron esa noche. La poes?a -tal vez haya que a?adir desde ahora: la poes?a escrita- qued? al margen de la vida cotidiana: una afici?n tan privada y minoritaria como el ajedrez. S?lo que el ajedrez tiene el respeto negado a la otra. Aunque tambi?n improductivo en el planeta que domina el mercado, el ajedrez se considera una actividad inteligente, no sentimental como hacer versos. Puedo decir "soy ajedrecista" y ser mirado con respeto. Si me atreviera a decir "soy poeta" provocar?a risa. Vl La vida toda no se explica sin el cambio incesante. As?, negar la necesidad hist?rica de la vanguardia es imposible. Pero no menos cierto es que la vanguardia segreg? de la poes?a al p?blico. Una explicaci?n probable es que la gente tard? ochocientos a?os en habituarse a la rima y de pronto la despojamos de ella. No existe rima en la poes?a cl?sica y no apareci? hasta 1200 en los himnos eclesi?sticos de un lat?n ya contaminado por las lenguas vern?culas. Como el verso mismo, la rima es en principio un recurso mnemot?cnico que se usaba hasta en las cartillas y catecismos escolares. Al dejar de ser memorizable la poes?a dej? de ser memorable. ?Qu? responder?amos ahora si alguien nos preguntara cu?ntos poemas nos sabemos de memoria? Esto es, cu?ntos poemas llevamos dentro de nosotros. No olvidemos que en otros idiomas se habla del coraz?n: uno se sabe poemas by heart, par coeur, esto es: ?ntimamente, por dentro. Hoy el ?nico poema que casi todos recuerdan y es por tanto el m?s popular de la lengua espa?ola resulta: En este mundo traidor Nada es verdad ni mentira. Todo es seg?n el color Del cristal con que se mira. Pero si preguntamos qui?n lo escribi? ?cu?ntos dir?n que fue Ram?n de Campoamor (1817-1901)? El verdadero triunfo de la poes?a consiste en volverse an?nima, disolverse en la vida. El poema se disgrega en versos sueltos y en frases. Una m?nima fracci?n del p?blico que ha devorado El c?digo Da Vinci lee los libros de T.S. Eliot; no obstante, todos los d?as y en todos los medios de habla inglesa se cita "Abril es el mes m?s cruel" o "No podemos soportar un exceso de realidad". Vll M?s paradojas y extra?ezas: Nadie, se supone, lee poes?a y, con todo, no hay nadie que en alg?n momento de su vida no haya escrito algunos versos. En cambio, muy pocas personas han hecho novelas o sinfon?as o pinturas murales. Si pregunto a quienes me rodean la respuesta m?s previsible es: "No me interesa para nada. Desde que sal? de la escuela jam?s he vuelto a leer un poema. No tiene que ver con mi vida." Quien lo dice, o bien se conmueve con el Himno Nacional o pasa muchas horas de su vida conectado a aud?fonos que trasmiten desde su iPod, si no poes?a en sentido estricto, al menos versos que se ci?en a la m?sica. Esas letras s? son memorables y memorizables y se llevan by heart, par coeur toda la vida. Vlll La poes?a personal se llama "l?rica" porque estaba hecha para cantarse o decirse con acompa?amiento musical. En el Renacimiento letra y m?sica se apartaron y la poes?a, gracias al desarrollo de la imprenta, se convirti? en un g?nero escrito, hecho para la entonces todav?a reciente lectura en silencio. Quiz? el efecto de los instrumentos electr?nicos que desplazaron a la poes?a de su empleo familiar no ha sido abolirla sino regresarla a los or?genes musicales. Vuelvo a mi ejemplo audiovisual: A una lectura de poes?a asisten, en el mejor caso, cien personas; a un concierto de rock, cien mil. De un libro de poemas se venden, durante varios a?os, si logra el milagro de permanecer en circulaci?n, mil ejemplares. De un disco, aun en la ?poca en que es posible "bajarlo" de internet, un mill?n de copias. Internet ha multiplicado hasta el punto de volverlos inabarcables los sitios y los blogs dedicados a la poes?a. Ahora quien tenga acceso a una computadora puede leer, y si lo desea imprimir, decenas de miles de poemas. Tambi?n est? en posibilidad de difundir -virtualmente al infinito- sus propios trabajos. La l?nea divisoria entre productor y consumidor se ha roto. Es un fen?meno tan relativamente nuevo que a?n no podemos asimilarlo ni saber a ciencia cierta cu?les son sus beneficios y maleficios. lX Por lo pronto, la masificaci?n no debe asustarnos. Siempre se ha escrito una cantidad inmensa de versos y de ellos menos del uno por ciento alcanza a sobrevivir un a?o o una d?cada. Vivimos en el mundo de lo ef?mero, lo perecedero, lo desechable. Nos habituamos a asociar la poes?a con los valores eternos. Horacio pod?a creer que sus poemas iban a ser m?s perdurables que el bronce y las pir?mides; Ovidio supuso que lo seguir?an leyendo por los siglos de los siglos. Su creencia estaba basada en que el imperio romano durar?a miles de a?os y la lengua latina seguir?a viva siempre en el mundo que el c?sar dominaba. Hoy sabemos que todo nace muerto o se deshace en el aire. El c?sar y su imperio se vinieron abajo, pero tampoco se equivocaron estos poetas: gracias a las constantes traducciones los seguimos leyendo, aunque necesitemos de lo que George Steiner llam? "el aparato ortop?dico de las notas al pie". Adem?s perdimos la noci?n de "cantidad", indispensable para leer bien sus versos, y nadie sabe realmente c?mo se pronunciaba el lat?n. En los setenta llegamos a creer que los libros producidos entonces se desmoronar?an f?sicamente antes de cumplir quince a?os y que para el siglo XXI versos tan claros como los que inician Piedra de sol: un sauce de cristal, un chopo de agua, un alto surtidor que el viento arquea, ya no podr?an leerse sin asteriscos: "*Sauce, ?rbol que crece a la orilla del agua." "*Chopo, especie de ?lamo." "*?lamo, ?rbol que en poco tiempo alcanza gran altura y proporciona una madera muy resistente al agua." "*Surtidor, chorro de agua que brota hacia arriba de una fuente." Hasta el momento nada de esto ha ocurrido. X Horacio y Ovidio nos conducen a otra paradoja y a otro ejemplo de la frontera movediza entre lo culto y lo popular. El hex?metro fue el metro por excelencia de la poes?a latina. Los grandes poetas europeos y americanos han tratado en vano de reproducir en las lenguas modernas los seis pies m?tricos de que consta en el original. El resultado no es satisfactorio ni siquiera en maestros como Dar?o: ?nclitas razas ub?rrimas, sangre de Hispania fecunda, carece de la flexibilidad y la naturalidad que el hex?metro tiene en manos de Ovidio y sus contempor?neos. Los herederos del hex?metro han sido los poetas populares. Hace mil a?os Per Abbat, o quien haya escrito o transcrito el Cantar de M?o Cid, hall? que en la naciente lengua castellana lo m?s aproximado al hex?metro cl?sico era un verso largo de diecis?is s?labas. El pueblo espa?ol lo parti? en dos y naci? nuestro octos?labo, el metro por excelencia de este idioma, a tal grado que, seg?n Alfonso Reyes, para el o?do popular no suena a poes?a nada que exceda de ocho s?labas. C?mo se asombrar?an los poetas latinos y los gruperos de hoy al enterarse de que la m?s cercana perduraci?n de los versos que sonaban en Roma son las letras de los narcocorridos, y tambi?n de que, cultos o populares, todos los versos octosil?bicos espa?oles pueden cantarse perfectamente con la m?sica de La llorona, La guantanamera o El jinete. Basta citar el mon?logo de Segismundo en La vida es sue?o que comienza: Apurar, cielos, pretendo, ya que me trat?is as?, qu? delito comet? contra vosotros naciendo. Xl El contraste m?s fuerte es el que existe hoy entre la poes?a y el futbol. No tengo nada contra el futbol, todo lo contrario; pero no dejan de llamarme la atenci?n los suplementos a color que le dedican a diario todos nuestros peri?dicos frente a las cada vez m?s menguadas p?ginas culturales. Y en ellas se reduce d?a con d?a el breve espacio que un tiempo tuvieron los poemas y los libros de poemas. Ser?a abominable una dictadura ilustrada que impusiera por decreto el leer poes?a. M?s bien, muchos piensan que habr?a que prohibirla y perseguirla para hacerla deseable y disfrutarla. Ezra Pound habl? de "El pensamiento de lo que Norteam?rica ser?a/ Si los cl?sicos tuvieran m?s circulaci?n". Menos ambicioso que Pound, no dejo de pensar en lo que M?xico ser?a si la gente supiera de poes?a el uno por ciento de lo que sabe de futbol, su historia, sus t?cnicas, sus grandes figuras, su pasi?n, su misterio. Xll Supongo que la capacidad de entender y disfrutar la poes?a es como el don de hallar placer en la m?sica cl?sica, algo que no todo el mundo tiene ni debe avergonzarse por no tener. Tal vez se trate de una capacidad innata en todas las personas que es sofocada muy pronto por la injusticia y por la falta de instrucci?n. La idea del ritmo est? presente desde el primer d?a de la vida y el beb? se adormece a s? mismo con una canci?n sin palabras. Poco despu?s descubre el idioma como materia po?tica y pregunta a sus padres cosas del estilo de "?Por qu? brilla la luna" o "?Ad?nde van los d?as que pasan?" A veces tiene la dicha de que le permitan apreciar en los versos m?s sencillos, como A un panal de rica miel Dos mil moscas acudieron, Que por golosas murieron, Presas de patas en ?l, el hecho de que las palabras poseen otra utilidad distinta de la cotidiana. No s?lo sirven para decir "Tengo hambre", "Me quiero dormir", "Dame agua"; tambi?n pueden jugar entre ellas mismas. Cantan en el ritmo y bailan en el encuentro m?gico de la rima. La poes?a es la forma m?s exacta, concentrada y econ?mica de decir las cosas. As?, algunos de los mejores poemas de la humanidad, los epigramas griegos y los haik?s japoneses, caben perfectamente, como si estuvieran hechos para ellos, en un correo electr?nico y hasta en un mensaje de texto, algo que no imaginaba Teognis al escribir hace veinticinco siglos: Estupidez humana: Te conmueven los muertos, no la flor de juventud que pasa. O Kobayashi Issa cuando dice en el Jap?n del siglo XIII: Te ba?an cuando naces. Te ba?an cuando mueres. Eso es todo. La paradoja final de la poes?a, que acaso explique su aislamiento, es ser mala conductora de la dicha y el placer, y en cambio recept?culo privilegiado de la negatividad del mundo. Sus topoi, o lugares comunes o temas privilegiados, son los mismos siempre en todas las lenguas, en todas las ?pocas, en todas las culturas: el dolor, la muerte, el paso del tiempo, lo ef?mero de nuestra experiencia de la vida. Y sin embargo, por obra y gracia del arte, el sufrimiento se transforma en un goce que s?lo puede dar la poes?a y gracias al verso se logra decir lo que nada m?s es posible expresar en un poema. Letras Libres, enero de 2008 Jos? Emilio Pacheco, Joaqu?n Sabina y Luis Garc?a Montero ofrecieron recital multitudinario en Gij?n Sanjuana Mart?nez Gij?n, 18 de julio. Era la una de la ma?ana. Tras bambalinas, Jos? Emilio Pacheco, Joaqu?n Sabina y Luis Garc?a Montero esperaban el momento esperado para salir al escenario. La multitud expresaba su impaciencia, mientras los tres re?an ansiosos por apoderarse de la palabra. Fue una noche memorable que los uni? a trav?s de la poes?a en la carpa del encuentro de la Semana Negra. Al salir al escenario, la ovaci?n fue tan cerrada y prolongada que Paco Ignacio Taibo II intent? in?tilmente calmar los ?mpetus de una multitud recompensada desde el principio: "Lo menos que puedo hacer por ustedes -intervino Pacheco visiblemente conmovido- es leerles cosas que no han sido publicadas". Despu?s de diez a?os de silencio editorial y al cumplirse medio siglo de la publicaci?n de su primer poemario, el escritor mexicano, considerado en Espa?a "el poeta vivo m?s importante en lengua castellana", ofreci? un in?dito regalo a sus cientos de admiradores de esta ciudad asturiana: una docena de poemas de su libro in?dito que consta de cinco cuadernos y que ser? publicado el a?o pr?ximo en coincidencia con su cumplea?os 70. Sabina arranc? el recital advirtiendo que aquello se trataba de un menage ? trois y desvel? finalmente la sorpresa: "Luis y yo hemos querido escribir al gran poeta de nuestra lengua Jos? Emilio Pacheco un poema al alim?n", como aquel que Pablo Neruda y Federico Garc?a Lorca recitaran como tributo a Rub?n Dar?o. Las voces de dos poetas alternadas retumbaron: "La poes?a se llama Vicente Calder?n. Hay que decir adeu. Por fin, la Plaza Roja est? en Col?n. Con la franja morada, Republicana, como tus ojeras. resumiendo: Joaqu?n Sabina y Luis Garc?a Montero se quitan el sombrero de todo coraz?n y piden por piedad una ovaci?n". El poeta mexicano agradeci? las muestras de cari?o, se quej? de la intensa luz y acept? con gusto usar un sombrero rojo y dijo: "Es l?gico que yo conociera a Joaqu?n Sabina, pero nunca pens? que ?l me conociera a mi". Y a continuaci?n ley? dos poemas peque?os sobre el agua, advirtiendo antes que le resultaba sumamente raro hablar con micr?fono en mano. El primer poema, titulado "Posesi?n", dice: "Te hice m?a. Bebiste agua de lluvia. El agua se ri? de mi y se me fue entre los dedos". El segundo lo llam? "Fracaso": "Miseria de la poes?a. Inventar un poema que describa a qu? sabe el sabor del agua". Garc?a Montero recit? despu?s su poema "Democracia" en honor a todos aquellos que lucharon por la libertad y dedicado al escritor Jorge Sempr?n, presente en el acto. Luego recit? un conmovedor poema de los ?ltimos d?as de Antonio Machado, para despu?s interpretar a capella junto a Joaqu?n Sabina el tango de la Semana Negra, compuesto por el cantante espa?ol. Pacheco se mostr? ciertamente abrumado y cohibido ante la multitud que solicitaba al t?rmino del acto, su firma. "Me siento muy contento, pero sigo inhibido", dice a la ma?ana siguiente sentado en la cafeter?a del hotel Don Manuel, mientras desayuna una tostada con tomate y aceite de oliva. "Yo soy de una ?poca que no consideraba esto. Escribir era una cosa solitaria que hac?as en tu cuarto. Se hac?a el libro y nunca ten?as que dar la cara, porque la p?gina y ahora la pantalla te la cubre. En este momento yo estoy bajo tu mirada y eso no existe cuando escribes. Hay una gran libertad". A?ade: "Fue una experiencia maravillosa. Yo he le?do frente a dos o cuatro personas, pero nunca esto. Cuando yo presento, pienso: voy a rifar un pollo rostizado a ver si va alguien. Ahora despu?s de esto, voy a decir: yo no leo si no viene conmigo Sabina, porque esa es la diferencia entre cuatro personas y 400". (Risas) El poeta mexicano advierte: "Me da verg?enza leer en p?blico, como que son cosas muy personales. Los tres somos muy distintos. Me sorprendi? tanto que ?l hiciera el dibujo de mi libro (editorial Visor), por eso me pareci? l?gico que yo conociera a Sabina, lo que nunca cre? es que ?l me conociera y me leyera. ?Viste que ten?a mi libro subrayado y todo? Fue muy sorprendente y muy grato". ?Los ?ltimos poemas? Luego de diez a?os sin publicar libros de poes?a, Pacheco se prepara para editar con Era en M?xico y Visor en Espa?a, dos nuevos libros, uno que consta de cinco cuadernos que no ha querido publicarlos por separado y otro m?s compuesto de poemas en prosa: "Me he tardado mucho. Es una cosa inconsciente porque pienso que nunca m?s volver? a escribir nada. Voy a cumplir 70 a?os". Adem?s prepara el libro de las Versiones po?ticas que empez? a escribir en 1958 y lo entregar? este a?o para publicarse tambi?n en 2009. El autor de La intimidad de la serpiente reconoce que su poes?a no es del dominio generalizado de los espa?oles, pero recuerda lo que dijo Francisco Brines: "La poes?a no tiene p?blico, tiene lectores". "A mi no me conoce el gran publico espa?ol, pero siempre he tenido lectores muy generosos, sobre todo, dir?a que son lectoras", se?ala al aclarar que siempre ha sido un poeta favorecido por las mujeres. Recomienda a los nuevos escritores no tener prisa por ser conocidos: "Yo les digo: no se apresuren. Las cosas te llegan o no. A mi me encantar?a tener el publico de Sabina, pero no lo tengo. -?La poes?a no es masiva? ?Sigue siendo gusto de c?rculos peque?os? -A las personas j?venes les interesa mucho m?s la poes?a como espect?culo, como algo que escuchas, y para m? que soy de una vieja generaci?n es algo que t? lees en silencio. Es una comunicaci?n muy ?ntima que no puede existir en p?blico". Recorriendo las calles de Gij?n, ciudad que visita por primera vez, Pacheco record? al gran poeta neocl?sico nacido en esta ciudad, Gaspar Melchor de Jovellanos: "le? a Jovellanos y fue muy bueno para m?. Dudo que si no me lo hubieran dado en la escuela yo hubiera ido a una librer?a a buscarlo, a ?l o a Juan Valera". Pacheco est? ligado a la vida del exilio espa?ol: tom? clases con Cernuda y conoci? a Emilio Prados y despu?s a Alberti, "quien por cierto vivi? en el edificio Ermita cerca de la Plaza del Toreo que ahora quieren derrumbar y deber?amos rescatar porque es una joya del arquitecto Juan Segura. De all? sali? Ram?n Mercader para matar a Trotsky". Alrededor de los temas detectivescos llenos de intrigas de la Semana Negra dirigida por Paco Ignacio Taibo, Pacheco analiza la forma en la que un poeta puede sobrevivir a las intrigas del entorno intelectual mexicano: "Sobrevivo en parte porque no me interesa el triunfo, la notoriedad, ni nada". -?Si M?xico hubiera tenido intelectuales m?s comprometidos, el pa?s ser?a otro? -El grupo de los intelectuales no me parece m?s cruel que el mundo de los peluqueros o de los m?dicos. Recuerda que vivir con subsidio del Estado no es subsidio del gobierno. Es una posici?n muy dif?cil. ?De que vas a sobrevivir si no es del poder? Lo ideal ser?a que pudieras vivir de tu trabajo. Yo lo hago, pero tengo subsidio. Monsiv?is y yo tratamos de vivir de escribir. Pero es muy dif?cil. A?n as? seguimos criticando todo lo que queremos. No ha habido una cr?tica m?s feroz contra Fox que la de Monsiv?is. Adem?s ya no se puede vivir totalmente de la escritura. La traducci?n ya no existe en M?xico, porque lo traducido se hace primero en Espa?a. El periodismo literario est? desapareciendo, porque en vez de pagar un art?culo lo toman de La Vanguardia o de El Pa?s. Pacheco cuenta que tiene un poema sobre Guant?namo que inicia en la Plaza de Santo Domingo y que hace referencia al tehuacanazo: "Es una gran innovaci?n de la polic?a mexicana. El tehuac?n surgi? en 1928 y desde entonces lo usan para torturar. Es horrible". -Precisamente M?xico vive una involuci?n en sus garant?as individuales en el presente sexenio y un aumento en la violaci?n de derechos humanos ?Qu? opina de Felipe Calder?n? -Le agradezco que no se haya ocupado de la cultura. No ha habido censura a los creadores. No les interesa nada la cultura. Y eso es de agradecer". La Jornada, 20 de julio de 2008 Muri? el escritor Xorge del Campo Humberto Mussacchio Autor de una obra considerable que incluye la pol?mica antolog?a Narrativa joven de M?xico (1969), donde reuni? a los talentos emergentes de los a?os 60, Xorge del Campo goz? de un temprano prestigio de poeta por su libro Fogata de zarzas en la aurora (1966), que mereci? m?s rese?as y opiniones de las que suele suscitar un debutante. Fue de los j?venes que a fines de los sesenta recibi? el poeta Juan Rejano en el suplemento de El Nacional y los s?bados, despu?s de cobrar, como los otros colaboradores, pasaba a dejar el estipendio en las mesas del Sal?n Palacio, donde en torno a las figuras patriarcales de Alfredo Cardona Pe?a, Otto Ra?l Gonz?lez y el escultor Rodrigo Arenas Betancourt se desenvolv?a una feria de ingenio y libaciones. Xorge era de los que interven?an con una seguridad rayana en la arrogancia, con opiniones terminantes que inclu?an la cr?tica generosa de sus producciones. En prosa y en verso dej? una bibliograf?a amplia, pero adem?s tuvo la tenacidad y el temple para hacer varias antolog?as, los ocho tomos de Cuentistas y novelistas de la Revoluci?n Mexicana, obra de 1985, y su Diccionario ilustrado de narradores cristeros, libro de 2004 que empez? a circular con retraso. Sus obras le sobreviven. Exc?lsior, 7 de julio de 2008 Public? poes?a (Fogatas de la zarza en la aurora, Animal de amor (finalista del Premio Xavier Villaurrutia en 1963), El diablo eros, Flauta de ceniza, Rel?mpago de nardos), cuento (Hospital de sue?os), novela (Caramelo), cr?nica (Cr?nicas de un chilango), varios libros de ensayo sobre distintos temas y un sinn?mero de antolog?as, entre las cuales deben destacarse las dedicadas a la Revoluci?n mexicana y a la guerra Cristera (su Diccionario Ilustrado de narradores cristeros, publicado por Amate Editores, es una obra que exige mayor atenci?n). (Ignacio Trejo Fuentes) LA POES?A CONTIN?A SIENDO UNA FASCINACI?N: HINOSTROZA Jorge Sifuentes Ca?as Cuernavaca, Morelos. Aun cuando es un g?nero impopular en el terreno econ?mico, la poes?a sigue siendo una fascinaci?n, sostuvo Rodolfo Hinostroza en la charla con La Jornada Morelos, luego de presentarse el viernes pasado en La Casona Spencer, ante una nutrida asistencia que pudo deleitarse con la obra del poeta peruano. Accesible y de buen humor, Hinostroza busc? un asiento tras despedirse de amigos y admiradores, para hablar del panorama de la poes?a en Latinoam?rica. "Creo que no ha cambiado mucho de las ?ltimas d?cadas, sigue habiendo polos de poes?a en muchos pa?ses, M?xico es uno de ellos, Chile, Per? y Nicaragua son los polos de lo que puede ser poes?a contempor?nea. En cada uno de esos pa?ses, hay poetas muy notables y adem?s escuelas po?ticas muy importantes. Creo que no ha variado, porque en cada pa?s hay una tradici?n de poes?a que se ha mantenido a lo largo de los a?os, y sigue produciendo muy buenos frutos. No ha aparecido ning?n otro pa?s que cambie un poco el panorama, digamos que sigue siendo el mismo esencialmente". El poeta tambi?n habl? del acercamiento con los j?venes a la poes?a. "En el Per?, por ejemplo, el acercamiento es muy sencillo porque hay una tradici?n po?tica en los j?venes, es como una fascinaci?n. Siendo la poes?a un g?nero impopular en el sentido econ?mico, porque no genera dinero; sin embargo, esto no desanima a los j?venes que siguen acerc?ndose a la poes?a y produciendo una poes?a de buen nivel. Puede haber diferentes estrategias de publicidad para los j?venes, pero creo que lo mejor es que los mismos j?venes se dejen influir y se dejen fascinar por el entorno po?tico". Rodolfo Hinostroza consider? que en M?xico s? se lee poes?a, al ver el gran n?mero de publicaciones. "En Per?, que es un pa?s m?s pobre que M?xico, con menor apoyo estatal, sin embargo aparecen nuevas editoriales de j?venes, muchachos que con su propia plata sacan libros, no solamente de ellos sino tambi?n de grupos. Hay un movimiento editorial interesante, son mini-editoriales que tienen su propio radio de acci?n". Hablando de poetas contempor?neos, se refiri? a los autores de su pa?s, "porque es la poes?a que mejor conozco. Westfalen, Jorge Eduardo T?llez y Mart?n Ad?n; hay grandes poetas del per?odo de los a?os cuarenta, los cincuenta y los sesenta, hab?a grandes grupos de poes?a. Yo pertenec? a la promoci?n de los sesenta, y ah? hay muy buenos poetas: Marco Martos, Antonio Cisneros, hay bastantes poetas que vale le pena leer porque son poetas de muy buena factura, son muy modernos, hacen poes?a contempor?nea. Es una cosa muy intensa, lo cual quiere decir que la poes?a es intensidad, hay una tradici?n literaria muy fuerte, entonces los mayores ense?an a los menores, es una tradici?n ininterrumpida hasta las generaciones nuevas. Los j?venes que quieren integrarse tienen que aceptar los niveles de calidad de la poes?a que tienen estos grupos. Un mayor nivel de calidad, que es lo que nosotros los viejos hemos impulsado tambi?n. Viejos en sentido figurado", aclar? entre risas. "?Y en M?xico?", cuestiona el reportero. "Aqu? hay otro fen?meno que son los talleres de poes?a, cosa que no hay en mi pa?s, muchos de ellos espont?neos, son grupitos que se juntan. Pero aqu? es m?s org?nica, hay talleres donde los poetas dictan cursos y hasta caminos, de la poes?a; me parece que producen una alta calidad de poes?a, es gran calidad de informaci?n la que producen los talleres, informan a los j?venes sobre lo que pasa en el mundo. No tengo muy presentes los nombres, pero podr?a mencionar a David Huerta y Marco Antonio Campos, amigos m?os que ya son poetas de cierta edad. Tambi?n algunos j?venes, recuerdo a Mario Boj?rquez, Mar?a Baranda y otros poetas, todos de excelente factura y buena calidad; creo que eso mantiene vivo el inter?s por la poes?a y viva a la poes?a misma". Rodolfo Hinostroza vive en M?xico desde hace algunos meses y piensa radicar aqu? por alg?n tiempo. "Siempre he querido vivir en M?xico, hace muchos a?os que visito M?xico, hace como 30 a?os que vengo, y ?sta es una oportunidad de quedarme m?s tiempo". La Jornada Morelos, 15 de julio de 2008 La vida vale la pena, y cuando eso se expresa en poes?a, vale la pena leerla: Dolores Castro Yadira Llaven Dolores Castro, forjadora de diversas generaciones y reconocida como una de las voces l?ricas m?s entra?ables de M?xico, durante las Jornadas Internacionales de Poes?a Latinoamericana, Puebla, Pue. "Voy a seguir escribiendo hasta que el cuerpo aguante, porque la poes?a es una forma de bendecir todo, de saber que la vida no se acaba, que si viene la noche habr? un amanecer", as? habl? la poeta Dolores Castro (Aguascalientes, 1923), forjadora de diversas generaciones y reconocida como una de las voces l?ricas m?s entra?ables de M?xico, durante las Jornadas Internacionales de Poes?a Latinoamericanas, que hoy mi?rcoles le rendir?n un homenaje. En entrevista, con La Jornada de Oriente, la poeta octogenaria, de hablar lento, que no ha perdido la lucidez ni la alegr?a, asegur? que en la poes?a lo importante es c?mo se dicen las cosas. Durante m?s de medio siglo, dijo, "he tratado de encontrar una voz personal, una verdad, de modo de no decir m?s de lo que uno siente, ni tampoco tratar de que la imagen propia sea s?lo festiva y hermosa. He tratado tambi?n de encontrar una verdad en la vida, cierto equilibrio entre lo que es la realidad y el sue?o, aunque en la poes?a uno anda m?s en el sue?o que en la realidad; no obstante, siempre tiene que existir este puente que es la imaginaci?n, que nos va a permitir rebasar lo que nosotros conocemos e ir un poquito m?s all?". ?C?mo se logra esto? No porque uno sea ni maga ni bruja, sino porque mediante el ejercicio de la imaginaci?n en la poes?a si es posible detenerse un instante y saber un poco m?s del ayer, pero tambi?n de lo que va ocurrir m?s tarde. A manera de an?cdota, relat? que hace un par de a?os, en Quer?taro, "me toc? que me presentaran como profetisa, y no lo soy, pero la poes?a permite muchas cosas, muchas ventajas, muchas bendiciones", coment? riendo. "Cuando uno escribe poes?a penetra m?s en la realidad para saber lo que es y qui?n es uno a la vez, porque es algo que ilumina el camino. Es bien cierto que uno al hacer poes?a est? tomando un espacio y ah? se detiene el tiempo y todo, pero uno en ese espacio conoce mucho m?s que cualquier otra persona, porque la poes?a est? basada tambi?n en la inteligencia intuitiva, que aprende a moverse en la lectura y en la escritura. Por eso, no hay poeta que pueda escribir sin haber le?do". "En primer lugar -agreg?- uno escribe a partir de este momento en el que vive, pero tiene que tomar en cuenta la tradici?n de la poes?a anterior, porque si no lo que se hace es inventar el hilo negro", y nuevamente r?e a carcajadas. Pero pareciera que en la actualidad es al rev?s, la gente quiere escribir sin haber le?do. Esto es muy cierto, yo tengo muchos alumnos de poes?a en talleres y les digo: ?por dios, tienen que leer!, si no leen no se aprende a tener el ritmo indispensable en la poes?a contempor?nea. Cuando uno quiere escribir poes?a de versos libres, no resulta, pues es puro libertinaje. Creen que escribir poes?a es dividir una frase en rengloncitos. Escribir poes?a es algo m?s all? de frases como ?ay!, que se fue, c?mo lo extra?o. escribir realmente es haber le?do suficiente para estar al d?a, no escribir como rom?ntico, modernista o vanguardista, sino escribir lo que hoy en Am?rica Latina se trata de decir". Para Dolores, esto incluye la tem?tica social, de lucha. "Escribir es una expresi?n de lo que somos, a pesar de lo que dir?an ahora en Espa?a, donde no interesa la literatura hispanoamericana. No se dan cuenta de que estamos m?s vivos que los europeos, estamos luchando, sobreviviendo de manera milagrosa, y eso ense?a que la vida vale la pena, que luchar por ella es indispensable, y cuando eso se expresa en poes?a vale la pena leerla. Hay que tener algo que decir y saber c?mo decirlo. Si s?lo se fijan en la forma, entonces estar?n escribiendo una poes?a vac?a, pero nosotros, en Hispanoam?rica, tenemos mucho que decir". "Ahora he viajado mucho por la Rep?blica, he visto c?mo la gente sobrevive en situaciones dif?ciles e imposibles para comer, no digamos para estudiar y menos para escribir. Por eso admiro much?simo al M?xico verdadero, que es el pa?s de los campesinos, de los provincianos y de los pobres en las grandes ciudades. Creo que hay mucho que contar en Hispanoam?rica". ?C?mo se ubica la po?tica mexicana en ese nivel? Hay much?simos j?venes que escriben y que leen. Desde mi generaci?n, yo tengo 85 a?os, lo que he visto es una literatura femenina floreciente y no de tonter?as, no de egos, sino de poetas que tienen mucho que decir, como Coral Bracho. "En mi ?poca ?ramos como seis: Margarita Michelena, Margarita Paz Paredes, Amparo D?vila, Emma Godoy, Enriqueta Ochoa y Rosario Castellanos. Y en ese tiempo todas decidimos que la poes?a no era un adorno para las mujeres, era una vocaci?n que se ten?a que cumplir con responsabilidad. Creo que eso fue lo que hicimos, pero mientras tanto hay toda una lucha de liberaci?n femenina: la mujer empieza a trabajar, a ser libre y a escribir". Desde entonces, con Castellanos, Michelena, Ochoa y usted, ha evolucionado la po?tica femenina. En mi tiempo hubo una preocupaci?n por la liberaci?n femenina, de pronto asist?amos a algo como si a las mujeres nos hubieran puesto una mordaza y la quitaran; creo que cuando a uno le quitan la mordaza empieza a decir necedades, como fue el caso de la poes?a er?tica, que no ten?a verdadera creatividad, quedaba horrible, porque muchas se limitaban a hacer una descripci?n del acto er?tico que a qui?n se le oculta, por eso les dec?a que era m?s f?cil usar una minifalda: mejor ejecutar que hablar necedades. "Creo que en ese sentido la literatura femenina va teniendo un nivel m?s alto y mejor. Ya de las que ?ramos muri? mi amiga Rosario, a Queta Ochoa le acaban de hacer un homenaje, pero se encuentra un poco mal de salud.". Por otro lado, la merecedora del Premio Nacional de Poes?a Sor Juana In?s de la Cruz habl? de los magn?ficos poetas "que ya no se dan en macetas". Ejemplific?: "Un Carlos Becerra est? dif?cil que vuelva a nacer. Los contempor?neos ya todos murieron, aunque Carlos Pellicer sobrevivi? un poco m?s; escribi? poemas preciosos, pero ya quedaron un poco atr?s". De las revistas de poes?a, coment? que son publicaciones escasas. Record? el buen desempe?o del ejemplar Peri?dicos de poes?a y Am?rica, tambi?n destac? la labor de Alforja. ?Qu? tan cierto es que la poes?a es para un grupo selecto? No, no es cierto. La poes?a tiene que dirigirse cada vez a un grupo m?s amplio, aunque no niego que s? es un poco aristocr?tica en cierto sentido. "La poes?a es esencia para descubrir algo nuevo del mundo, por eso no a toda la gente le cae el veinte. En la poes?a hay muchas corrientes: la conversacional, donde las palabras de todos los d?as son elevadas a la categor?a po?tica; tambi?n est? la que prioriza la imagen en lugar de palabras exquisitas, que se puede leer y entender absolutamente, por eso no creo que la poes?a deba ser secreta; sin embargo, yo s? conf?o en que la poes?a se abra y sea cada vez m?s transparente, porque cu?ntos millones somos en Hispanoam?rica que no sabemos leer. Partiendo de que seguir? escribiendo hasta que el cuerpo aguante, ?en qu? se encuentra trabajando ahora? En unos poemas ligeros dedicados al desierto. Fui a un recorrido por el desierto, para conocer el monote?smo que ah? naci?, el cordero pascual y en eso estoy. La Jornada de Oriente, 16 de julio de 2008 La poes?a tiene su propio tiempo para captar lectores: Roc?o Cer?n M?xico, 14 de julio (Notimex). Cuando se habla del legado po?tico de diversas naciones, as? como de sus coincidencias, Roc?o Cer?n est? convencida de que a nivel latinoamericano convergen los di?logos literarios de diversas generaciones que coinciden en la creaci?n de obras complejas, ca?ticas, contempor?neas, distantes y cercanas al mismo tiempo. La poeta y promotora cultural mexicana es fundadora, junto con Carla Faesler, del movimiento "Mot?n Poeta", que intenta, a trav?s de presentaciones, encuentros, exposiciones y celebraciones nocturnas, promover la poes?a dentro de un marco l?dico. Como parte de las actividades de esta iniciativa cultural, Cer?n y otros integrantes del movimiento organizan una serie de encuentros con autores de diversos pa?ses, a fin de encontrar los contrastes y similitudes entre las obras generadas dentro de diferentes culturas y geograf?as. Roc?o Cer?n considera que las reuniones entre poetas permiten mostrar diversas colecciones de paisajes y voces, que representan el pulso de dos naciones y de las experiencias de sus autores, que van de lo barrial hasta la experiencia ?ntima y personal. El mes pasado como parte de este movimiento, se inaugur? Tr?nsitos y Geograf?as. La poeta es optimista sobre el futuro de esta expresi?n literaria en el siglo XXI. "Vivimos tiempos interesantes", afirma convencida de que es posible la construcci?n de un nuevo movimiento a partir de la polifon?a de voces de los autores que rondan por los treinta y tantos. Por el contrario, difiere de las opiniones que afirman que ya no se lee poes?a y que este g?nero est? muerto, editorialmente hablando. Asegura que para captar lectores, la poes?a tiene su propio tiempo porque exige detenimiento y pausa, factores inc?modos en una sociedad que pregona el vivir en la inmediatez. "Hay much?simos lectores de poes?a, tambi?n hay varias editoriales independientes que logran colocar sus ediciones con ?xito", comenta. Con el movimiento "Mot?n Poeta", agrega, han realizado kermeses literarias en las que la poes?a se difunde de manera l?dica y hay un contacto directo de los autores y los lectores. A la fecha han grabado con este movimiento dos discos compactos Urbe probeta y Personae, con la obra de varios autores. Considera que para que la poes?a recobre su difusi?n en el mercado literario debe haber una participaci?n de los editores, quienes deben apostar por nuevas propuestas. "Uno de los problemas es que hay una brecha generacional y muchos editores que pertenecen a la generaci?n de los 40 o 50 no se interesan por el material de autores nacidos dos o tres d?cadas despu?s". "Ser editor de poes?a -considera- puede tener una fecha de caducidad, porque no es v?lido cerrar la visi?n s?lo a aquellas propuestas que son familiares, generacionalmente hablando. Un editor debe mantener joven su visi?n y saber reconocer las nuevas voces que surgen en el entorno literario". La poes?a mexicana contempor?nea merece esa atenci?n, concluy? la poeta, que cuenta con una beca del Consejo Nacional para la Cultura y las Artes a trav?s del Programa J?venes Creadores del Fonca. www.munhispano.com/?nid=255&sid=3764354 NOVEDADES JETA DE SANTO (ANTOLOG?A PO?TICA 1974-1997), DE MARIO SANTIAGO PAPASQUIARO (M?xico, Fondo de Cultura Econ?mica, 2008) Estamos ante una poes?a labrada y grabada en la confecci?n que s?lo puede dar el encuentro aut?ntico del artista con su materia -el lenguaje, la palabra, la imagen- y el entorno al cual no s?lo busca describir, sino desentra?ar con el asombro de los ojos que ven lo que nos estaba vedado y lo verbaliza con una escritura proscrita por distinta, por ir contra la imagen harto consabida: el lugar com?n de la poes?a previsible. Dice Mario Ra?l Guzm?n, prologuista del libro: "Algo m?s que una l?rica: una actitud ante la creaci?n art?stica en la que importa m?s que la escritura del poema la conexi?n po?tica con la vida". ____________________________________________ Comit? editorial luis alberto alfaro (costa rica)/ cruz ben?tez/ fabienne bradu/ sergio c?rdenas/ luis cort?s bargall?/ miguel jorge castillo/ evodio escalante/ julio c?sar f?lix/ alfredo giles-d?az/ jes?s g?mez mor?n/ armando gonz?lez torres/ ricardo hern?ndez ech?varri (eu)/ sa?l ibargoyen/ jos? kozer (eu)/ eduardo langagne/ hern?n lav?n cerda/ luc?a de luna/ floriano martins (brasil)/ jos? manuel mateo/ santiago montobbio (espa?a)/ angelina mu?iz-huberman/ jorge ortega (espa?a)/ armando oviedo/ george reyes (ecuador)/ manuel silva acevedo (chile)/ felipe v?zquez/ ?scar wong/ elsa zeferino/ editor web: ignacio simal (espa?a)/ coordinador: leopoldo cervantes-ortiz elpoemaseminal es un proyecto independiente de divulgaci?n sin afanes de lucro ni de promoci?n de una sola l?nea est?tica o cultural. no est? vinculado a ning?n grupo o instituci?n, por lo que abre sus puertas a todos los autores/as de M?xico y de cualquier parte del mundo. reconoce que los espacios para la poes?a, con todo y que ahora son muchos dentro y fuera de la red cibern?tica, siguen siendo reducidos. el criterio de selecci?n es ?nicamente la calidad po?tica, debido a lo cual se aceptan aportaciones en todos los sentidos. se citar? siempre la fuente original. invitamos a los lectores/as y amigos/as a compartir poemas, libros, presentaciones, novedades y todo lo relacionado con la poes?a, as? como nuevas direcciones. www.elpoemaseminal.lupaprotestante.com, www.elpoemaseminal.blogspot.com elpoemasem@yahoo.com.mx, elpoemaseminal2008@yahoo.com.mx correodepoesia@yahoo.com.mx __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! 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One leading scholar said the TV presenter was both wrong and ill-informed - and attacked him for making 'another poke in the ribs of Jock'. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080814/969ed479/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Aug 15 11:20:12 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ashbery America Message-ID: Start saving your pennies, everyone. Due out in October: *John Ashbery: Collected Poems 1956-1987*. List price $40. "With this volume, The Library of America inaugurates a collected edition of the works of America?s preeminent living poet. Beginning with Some Trees in 1956, John Ashbery has charted a profoundly original and individual course that has opened up pathways for subsequent generations of poets. At once hermetic and exuberantly curious, meditative and unnervingly funny, dreamlike and steeped in everyday realities, and alive to every nuance of American speech, these are poems that constantly discover new worlds within language. This first volume of the collected Ashbery includes the complete texts of his first twelve books, including such groundbreaking collections as Rivers and Mountains, Three Poems, Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror (which won the Pulitzer Prize, the National Book Award, and the National Book Critics Circle Award in 1975), and Houseboat Days. It also features an unprecedented gathering of more than sixty previously uncollected poems written over a period of four decades, a rare treasure trove for poetry lovers. This volume is a landmark portrait of a modern master. " --Product description fr. Amazon ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080815/38f87695/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Aug 15 11:51:34 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Oranges & Sardines Message-ID: <239198BE12B64007BD770BDE505EB0BB@AnnyPC> tooting like a toy train, ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: anny.ballardini@tin.it Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: [NarcissusWorks] Oranges & Sardines Thanks to Didi Menendez I am on Oranges & Sardines: a brief interview on Art and Poetry. And the main site with several Poets and Artists. -- Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 8/15/2008 04:27:00 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1612 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:03 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080815/9028093f/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Aug 15 12:38:45 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Oranges & Sardines In-Reply-To: <239198BE12B64007BD770BDE505EB0BB@AnnyPC> References: <239198BE12B64007BD770BDE505EB0BB@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <48A5B115.6090100@opus40.org> Great interview. Are you sure you didn't visit Opus 40 while you were here? That almost looks like my living room in the background. Anny Ballardini wrote: > tooting like a toy train, > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Anny Ballardini > *To:* anny.ballardini@tin.it > *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2008 4:30 PM > *Subject:* [NarcissusWorks] Oranges & Sardines > > Thanks to Didi Menendez I am on Oranges & Sardines: > a brief interview on Art and Poetry > . > > And the main site with several Poets and Artists > . > > -- > Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks > at > 8/15/2008 04:27:00 PM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1612 - Release Date: > 8/14/2008 6:03 PM > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Aug 15 13:21:40 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:53 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Oranges & Sardines In-Reply-To: <48A5B115.6090100@opus40.org> References: <239198BE12B64007BD770BDE505EB0BB@AnnyPC> <48A5B115.6090100@opus40.org> Message-ID: <74E867DB5782437987860C0D8A8934B8@AnnyPC> I wanted badly to meet you to the point that with Henry Gould in Providence we entered a place where David Amram was speaking and I noticed a guy, and thought: "That must be Tad!" and he seemed so much like you that I told Henry, and Henry went to ask him if _perchance_ he was you... take care! anny ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOldMole" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Oranges & Sardines > Great interview. > > Are you sure you didn't visit Opus 40 while you were here? That almost > looks like my living room in the background. > > Anny Ballardini wrote: >> tooting like a toy train, >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Anny Ballardini >> *To:* anny.ballardini@tin.it >> *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2008 4:30 PM >> *Subject:* [NarcissusWorks] Oranges & Sardines >> >> Thanks to Didi Menendez I am on Oranges & Sardines: >> a brief interview on Art and Poetry >> . >> >> And the main site with several Poets and Artists >> . >> >> -- >> Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks >> at >> 8/15/2008 04:27:00 PM >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1612 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 >> 6:03 PM >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1612 - Release > Date: 8/14/2008 6:03 PM > > From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Aug 15 13:52:57 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Oranges & Sardines In-Reply-To: <74E867DB5782437987860C0D8A8934B8@AnnyPC> References: <239198BE12B64007BD770BDE505EB0BB@AnnyPC> <48A5B115.6090100@opus40.org> <74E867DB5782437987860C0D8A8934B8@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <48A5C279.8010908@opus40.org> Next time.... Anny Ballardini wrote: > I wanted badly to meet you to the point that with Henry Gould in > Providence we entered a place where David Amram was speaking and I > noticed a guy, and thought: > "That must be Tad!" > and he seemed so much like you that I told Henry, and Henry went to > ask him if _perchance_ he was you... > > take care! > anny > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOldMole" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:38 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Oranges & Sardines > > >> Great interview. >> >> Are you sure you didn't visit Opus 40 while you were here? That >> almost looks like my living room in the background. >> >> Anny Ballardini wrote: >>> tooting like a toy train, >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Anny Ballardini >>> *To:* anny.ballardini@tin.it >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2008 4:30 PM >>> *Subject:* [NarcissusWorks] Oranges & Sardines >>> >>> Thanks to Didi Menendez I am on Oranges & Sardines: >>> a brief interview on Art and Poetry >>> . >>> >>> >>> And the main site with several Poets and Artists >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks >>> >>> at 8/15/2008 04:27:00 PM >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1612 - Release Date: >>> 8/14/2008 6:03 PM >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> -- >> Tad Richards >> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ >> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ >> >> The moral is this: in American verse, >> The better you are, the pay is worse. >> --Corey Ford >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1612 - >> Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:03 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Aug 15 16:54:04 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Exquisite Corpse Message-ID: <47A942CD209F46D8906160CC55D0F5EF@AnnyPC> Another belated tooting, thank you all for your support, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: anny.ballardini@tin.it Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: [NarcissusWorks] Exquisite Corpse I have the privilege of being featured on Exquisite Corpse thanks to Bill Lavender, exceptional Guest Editor, with three poems of a collection, initially titled Words from Visions, that later was turned into Ghost Dance in 31 Movements: 10. Nam June Paik (1932-2006) 11. Joseph Beuys (12. Mai 1921 in Krefeld; ? 23. Januar 1986 in D?sseldorf) 12. Terry Fox - Main page: Exquisite Corpse, Founder & Editor: Andrei Codrescu. - -- Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 8/15/2008 10:05:00 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1612 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:03 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080816/557f483d/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sat Aug 16 14:09:57 2008 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Southern Review Seeks a Managing Editor Message-ID: <731bb17a0808161109k5b1173aey737bfe0f16b40a84@mail.gmail.com> The Southern Review Announces search for Managing Editor http://www.lsu. edu/tsr/News_ ME.html MANAGING EDITOR The Southern Review The Southern Review announces an opening for Managing Editor. This is a permanent, full-time position. Founded in 1935 by Robert Penn Warren and Cleanth Brooks, The Southern Review is published four times a year on the campus of Louisiana State University. Required Qualifications: Bachelor's degree; three years editorial and copyediting experience on the staff of an established literary journal, university press, or national press; able to demonstrate the following: editorial expertise with fiction, nonfiction, and poetry; a broad knowledge of literary history, literary criticism, and contemporary fiction, poetry, and creative nonfiction; computer skills including Word Perfect; a solid understanding of the publishing, especially small presses and literary magazines; web design and database management. Additional Qualifications Desired: Excellent human relation skills suitable for dealing with diverse artistic personalities; terminal degree (M.F.A., Ph.D. or equivalent); knowledge of languages other than English. Responsibilities: oversees management and distribution of incoming manuscript; reads, evaluates, and provides detailed comments on manuscripts; copyedits and fact-checks, giving special attention to content, style, etc.; corresponds, when required, with authors regarding changes required to accepted manuscripts; works with designer and printer toward final publication. An offer of emp loyment is contingent on a satisfactory pre-employment background check. Application deadline is September 8, 2008 or until a candidate is selected. Applications should include: a letter of application, CV or resume (including e-mail address), one-page statement of editorial philosophy, and contact information for three professional references. Applications should be sent to the following address: Jeanne M. Leiby The Southern Review Old President's House Louisiana State University Ref: #018159 Baton Rouge, LA 70803 LSU IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY/ EQUAL ACCESS EMPLOYER Jeff Newberry -- Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com Obama Myths: http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080816/f9e12408/attachment.html From david.weinstock at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 09:28:35 2008 From: david.weinstock at gmail.com (David Weinstock) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Southern Review Seeks a Managing Editor In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0808161109k5b1173aey737bfe0f16b40a84@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0808161109k5b1173aey737bfe0f16b40a84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <437b1e3a0808170628r309ee712l2d2dd08a343b1f4c@mail.gmail.com> --Word Perfect ??!? On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > The Southern Review Announces search for Managing Editor > > http://www.lsu. edu/tsr/News_ ME.html > > MANAGING EDITOR > The Southern Review > > The Southern Review announces an opening for Managing Editor. This is a > permanent, full-time position. Founded in 1935 by Robert Penn Warren and Cleanth > Brooks, The Southern Review is published four times a year on the campus > of Louisiana State University. > > Required Qualifications: Bachelor's degree; three years editorial and > copyediting experience on the staff of an established literary journal, > university press, or national press; able to demonstrate the following: > editorial expertise with fiction, nonfiction, and poetry; a broad knowledge > of literary history, literary criticism, and contemporary fiction, poetry, > and creative nonfiction; computer skills including Word Perfect; a solid > understanding of the publishing, especially small presses and literary > magazines; web design and database management. > > Additional Qualifications Desired: Excellent human relation skillssuitable for dealing with diverse artistic personalities; terminal > degree (M.F.A., Ph.D. or equivalent); knowledge of languages other than > English. > > Responsibilities: oversees management and distribution of incoming > manuscript; reads, evaluates, and provides detailed comments on manuscripts; > copyedits and fact-checks, giving special attention to content, style, etc.; > corresponds, when required, with authors regarding changes required to > accepted manuscripts; works with designer and printer toward final > publication. > > An offer of emp > loyment is contingent on a satisfactory pre-employment background check. > Application deadline is September 8, 2008 or until a candidate is selected. > Applications should include: a letter of application, CV or resume > (including e-mail address), one-page statement of editorial philosophy, and > contact information for three professional references. Applications should > be sent to the following address: > > Jeanne M. Leiby > The Southern Review > Old President's House > Louisiana State University > Ref: #018159 > Baton Rouge, LA 70803 > LSU IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY/ EQUAL ACCESS EMPLOYER > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Newberry > -- > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > Obama Myths: http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- .......................................................... DAVID WEINSTOCK 240 Woodland Park, Middlebury, VT 05753 Home: 802-388-6939 Cell: 802-989-4314 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Day- dreamers turn out to be truly dangerous. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080817/8561bc85/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Aug 17 15:48:53 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Southern Review Seeks a Managing Editor In-Reply-To: <437b1e3a0808170628r309ee712l2d2dd08a343b1f4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0808161109k5b1173aey737bfe0f16b40a84@mail.gmail.com> <437b1e3a0808170628r309ee712l2d2dd08a343b1f4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <71D9DDB1860E4B5CB118D2DE384A3BA0@AnnyPC> I think I had once a Word Perfect (and it was maybe ten years ago), isn't it something like the plain Office Word? From: David Weinstock --Word Perfect ??!? On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: The Southern Review Announces search for Managing Editor http://www.lsu. edu/tsr/News_ ME.html MANAGING EDITOR The Southern Review The Southern Review announces an opening for Managing Editor. This is a permanent, full-time position. Founded in 1935 by Robert Penn Warren and Cleanth Brooks, The Southern Review is published four times a year on the campus of Louisiana State University. Required Qualifications: Bachelor's degree; three years editorial and copyediting experience on the staff of an established literary journal, university press, or national press; able to demonstrate the following: editorial expertise with fiction, nonfiction, and poetry; a broad knowledge of literary history, literary criticism, and contemporary fiction, poetry, and creative nonfiction; computer skills including Word Perfect; a solid understanding of the publishing, especially small presses and literary magazines; web design and database management. Additional Qualifications Desired: Excellent human relation skills suitable for dealing with diverse artistic personalities; terminal degree (M.F.A., Ph.D. or equivalent); knowledge of languages other than English. Responsibilities: oversees management and distribution of incoming manuscript; reads, evaluates, and provides detailed comments on manuscripts; copyedits and fact-checks, giving special attention to content, style, etc.; corresponds, when required, with authors regarding changes required to accepted manuscripts; works with designer and printer toward final publication. An offer of emp loyment is contingent on a satisfactory pre-employment background check. Application deadline is September 8, 2008 or until a candidate is selected. Applications should include: a letter of application, CV or resume (including e-mail address), one-page statement of editorial philosophy, and contact information for three professional references. Applications should be sent to the following address: Jeanne M. Leiby The Southern Review Old President's House Louisiana State University Ref: #018159 Baton Rouge, LA 70803 LSU IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY/ EQUAL ACCESS EMPLOYER Jeff Newberry -- Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com Obama Myths: http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- .......................................................... DAVID WEINSTOCK 240 Woodland Park, Middlebury, VT 05753 Home: 802-388-6939 Cell: 802-989-4314 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080817/7188a596/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sun Aug 17 15:57:20 2008 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Southern Review Seeks a Managing Editor Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/2008 2:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time, anny.ballardini@tin.it writes: > > I think I had once a Word Perfect (and it was maybe ten years ago), isn't it > something like the plain Office Word? > I still use WP 6.1, which is much easier to operate than MS Word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeff Newberry On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 8/17/2008 2:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time, > anny.ballardini@tin.it writes: > > > I think I had once a Word Perfect (and it was maybe ten years ago), isn't > it something like the plain Office Word? > > > > I still use WP 6.1, which is much easier to operate than MS Word. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com Obama Myths: http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080817/ca745838/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Aug 17 16:24:19 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Southern Review Seeks a Managing Editor In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0808171305l5b262338ubda0b1f6c925b0e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0808171305l5b262338ubda0b1f6c925b0e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4378FCA0764D4206A471E98E705510DF@AnnyPC> Oh no, Jeff, I love it! Well, I should be sincere, while I was preparing my thesis I had Word 2007 only, and I thought for a minute I was freaking out, but now we do get along quite nicely. The only problem is that I do not have the Italian spell checker, I have the feature but it is empty inside, it doesn't work. Is there anybody who has an idea of how I can get it? It seems that we, poor users, cannot communicate with Microsoft. From: Jeff Newberry Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:05 PM Word 2007 is a nightmare, too. Jeff Newberry On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM, wrote: In a message dated 8/17/2008 2:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time, anny.ballardini@tin.it writes: I think I had once a Word Perfect (and it was maybe ten years ago), isn't it something like the plain Office Word? I still use WP 6.1, which is much easier to operate than MS Word. -- Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com Obama Myths: http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080817/e3adae29/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sun Aug 17 17:04:03 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Southern Review Seeks a Managing Editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A89243.5050104@opus40.org> WP 5.1 for DOS was the best word processing program ever. But I use Word now. Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/17/2008 2:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time, > anny.ballardini@tin.it writes: >> >> I think I had once a Word Perfect (and it was maybe ten years ago), >> isn't it something like the plain Office Word? > > I still use WP 6.1, which is much easier to operate than MS Word. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 19:57:01 2008 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:54 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kicking & Screaming Message-ID: <731bb17a0808171657y396a5331g9934d62c361f626e@mail.gmail.com> So, I was going through the archives of NewPoetry, & I came across several boneheaded comments I've made over the years, mostly of the partisan New Narrative/New Formalist bent. Understand that I say "partisan" referring to me, not those movements, btw. Anyway, I got to thinking back over the past few years: my trip through my graduate coursework, the different people I've met & with whom I've corresponded, the different ways my own work has changed, and so forth. I've realized that while my tastes in poetry have not *drastically *changed, they have indeed changed--for the better, I'd argue (though that's another conversation, probably). I realized that there are several poets I like now whom I shied away from a mere five years ago, poets whose work I knew only in small doses or poets whose work I knew only by reputation (or often not at all): Theodore Enslin, Gustaf Sobin, Michael Dumanis, Frank Stanford, Kimberly Johnson, Yusef Komunyakaa (yeah--I know), Danielle Pafunda, Joshua Poteat, & probably lots of others. So here's the question: whose poetry do you now enjoy/admire/like that you once didn't admire/like/enjoy? Who drug you to their work kicking & screaming? Just a question for an otherwise silent list. Be well, Jeff Newberry -- Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com Obama Myths: http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080817/3e303366/attachment.html From AlMaginnes at aol.com Mon Aug 18 08:52:39 2008 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Kicking & Screaming Message-ID: This is a good question, Jeff. I have to admit that in recent years I seem to be moving in the other direction--suddenly left cold by poets who once meant a lot to me. But to answer your question, I can think of a few right away: Wallace Stevens--two English degrees and I never enjoyed his work until seven or eight years ago. Now I read him endlessly. Albert Goldbarth--how could someone that prolific be any good? A source of unending delight for me these long nights Czeslaw Milosz--heard him read in the early 90's and was intrigued. I've spent many hours poring over his work and while I'm not sure I understand what he's up to a good deal of the time, I return to him over and over. I'm sure I will have some other names to post when I'm not so rushed. Al **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080818/c7f5aefd/attachment.html From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Aug 18 11:37:47 2008 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Kicking & Screaming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68F74359-3980-4429-8ACC-A4A1396B0BC7@ripon.edu> Albert Goldbarth would be on my list, too. One of his early books sat on my shelf mostly unread for many years, and of course I would see his stuff in journals as it poured out at an alarming rate. But a few years ago I suddenly clicked with him, and now he's one of my favorites. It occurred to me at one point a few years back that I hadn't actually read a whole book of his in many years, and that he had published dozens that I'd never seen. So I started nosing around the used bookshops and acquired a nice little Goldbarth collection. Sometimes I wonder if anyone besides Albert himself has read *all* of Goldbarth. . . . Since I've already posted about his work a # of times on this list, and since I too am a bit busy right now, I'll beg your indulgence to re-post something I wrote a couple years back about what I see in Goldbarth. (Would also love to see this thread continue. Thanks, Jeff. . . .) Subject: [New-Poetry] Taking Goldbarth's measure Date: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:35 AM From: David Graham Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Conversation: [New-Poetry] Taking Goldbarth's measure Some quick pre-teaching thoughts on Goldbarth. I'd read Goldbarth for years, of course, since he's been so prominently available. It was pretty piecemeal, however; I saw him often enough in the journals, but I owned only a selected edition from 1983. And mostly I shared the common admiration for his skills as well as the reservations about his work that Jim Finnegan mentions. Recently, though, I have actually given his works a more serious look, realizing (among other things) that the two or three books I'd read over the years represented the merest fraction of his astonishing total output. So, with the help of libraries & some used bookstores, I located more of his often out-of-print work and dug in. (I still haven't even come close to reading half of his poetry, much less his essays and fiction.) I'm not saying the the reservations don't still apply; but I'm minding them less and less. Maybe I'm teaching myself how to read Goldbarth. For me it's like diving into the minor works of some 19th Century novelist; after a while even the flaws start to seem charming, and the prodigious length of the books becomes more of a luxury than a trial. And one thing I'm learning is that, although there *is* a vast amount of bookishness in his work, a relentless scavenging among the oddments of history, literature, science, pop culture, and arcana, there's also a pretty broad streak of tenderness and lots of good-old- fashioned lyric pith as well as yarn-spinning. Such things can get lost amid the splendors and challenges of his kinetic style. I just read this morning from his book *Adventures in Ancient Egypt*, which despite the title and many apparent detours into history and myth, is largely an extended elegy for Goldbarth's parents. The sequence "Semitic Rituals for the Dead," for instance, is really wonderful. At its heart is a little one-act-play in which Goldbarth has a conversation with his dead father. It's glorious stuff--funny, tender, pointed, and the opposite of show-offy or condescending. There are lots and lots of such moments scattered among his books. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== On Aug 18, 2008, at 7:52 AM, AlMaginnes@aol.com wrote: > This is a good question, Jeff. I have to admit that in recent years > I seem to be moving in the other direction--suddenly left cold by > poets who once meant a lot to me. But to answer your question, I > can think of a few right away: > > Wallace Stevens--two English degrees and I never enjoyed his work > until seven or eight years ago. Now I read him endlessly. > > Albert Goldbarth--how could someone that prolific be any good? A > source of unending delight for me these long nights > > Czeslaw Milosz--heard him read in the early 90's and was intrigued. > I've spent many hours poring over his work and while I'm not sure I > understand what he's up to a good deal of the time, I return to him > over and over. > > I'm sure I will have some other names to post when I'm not so rushed. > > Al > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080818/af655f6b/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 19:12:00 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Reading & Fundraiser for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society Message-ID: <710038.17374.qm@web83314.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Poetry Reading & Fundraiser for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society ? Friday, September 5, 2008 @? 7:00pm KGB Bar 85 East 4th Street , NYC 10003 ? David Lehman is a poet, writer, and editor. His seven books of poetry include When a Woman Loves a Man (2005). In 1996 he began writing a poem a day as an experiment. The practice continued for five years, and two books resulted: The Daily Mirror (2000) and The Evening Sun (2002), both from Scribner. Lehman?s prose books include The Perfect Murder and Signs of the Times. He is the series editor of The Best American Poetry, which he launched in 1988. He has also edited the latest edition of The Oxford Book of American Poetry (2006), The Best American Erotic Poems (2008), and Great American Prose Poems (2003), among other books. He heads the poetry division of the New School ?s graduate writing program, in which he has taught since the program?s inception in 1996. ? Meghan Punschke is the author of Stratification (BlazeVOX Books, 2008). She resides in New York City , and has an MFA in Poetry from the New School . She is the curator and host of Word of Mouth, a reading series dedicated to poets and fiction writers. She is also the Managing Editor for the literary journal Oranges & Sardines. Her poetry was nominated for a Pushcart Prize in 2007. Please visit www.megpunschke.com for more info. ? Amy King is the author of I?m the Man Who Loves You and Antidotes for an Alibi, both from Blazevox Books, and most recently, Kiss Me With the Mouth of Your Country (Dusie Press). She is the moderator for the Poetics List and the Women?s Poetry Listserv, and teaches English and Creative Writing at Nassau Community College . She is currently editing an anthology, The Urban Poetic, forthcoming from Factory School . Please visit www.amyking.org for more. ? Ana Bo?i?evi? emigrated to NYC from Croatia in 1997. She?s the author of chapbooks Document (Octopus Books, 2007) and Morning News (Kitchen Press, 2006). Look for her recent work in Denver Quarterly, Hotel Amerika, Bat City Review, absent, typo, fou and elsewhere. With Amy King, she is currently editing an anthology, The Urban Poetic ( Factory School , forthcoming). Ana works at The Center for the Humanities at the Graduate Center , CUNY. ? There will be a raffle for prizes, which will include books, anthologies and other poetry related goodies from several small presses including BlazeVOX Books, No Tell Books, Coconut Books, Goss 183, Ahsahta Press and Lame House. The Grand Prize winner will be awarded books from many of the above, plus the 30 x 40 acrylic on canvas painting that appears on the cover of Stratification. Each raffle ticket will be $5 with all of the proceeds going directly to LLS for cancer research and patient care. Half of book sales will go to the charity as well. ? http://www.kgbbar.com/calendar/event/2008-09-05_poetry_reading_.html _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080818/e0a1127b/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 19:49:02 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sous Rature -- 1ssue, August 2008 Message-ID: <888038.96722.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Sous Rature -- 1ssue, August 2008 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? Diana Magallon and Jeff Crouch???????????????????? Tomie Hahn????????????? ???? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Chris Vitiello ????????? Kathrin Schaeppi???????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? Carrie Hunter Jennifer Calkins???????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Todd Colby ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Drew Kunz ????????????????????????????? Elizabeth Kate Switaj????????????????????????????????????????? ?? ? ?Rachel Levitsky????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Christian B?k ????????????????????????? Raymond Farr????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? derek beaulieu ? Michael Peters????????????????????????????????????? Matt Hart ? ?????????????? Mako Matsuda????????????????????????????????????????? Susana Gardner ?????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????? Emma Phillipps ????? ?????????????Suzy Scarlata?? ? ?? Rick Moody?????????????????????????????????????? Marco Giovenale ? ?????????????????????????????????????? Caroline Crumpacker Ernest Williamson III ??????????? ?????????????????????????????????????? Riccardo Boglione???? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???? Mark Lamoureux???????????? ? ? http://www.necessetics.com/1ssue.html http://www.necessetics.com/1ssue.html http://www.necessetics.com/1ssue.html ? _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise I might try to select the best and send them over again, Thanks, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: amy king To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Sous Rature -- 1ssue, August 2008 Sous Rature -- 1ssue, August 2008 Diana Magallon and Jeff Crouch Tomie Hahn Chris Vitiello Kathrin Schaeppi Carrie Hunter Jennifer Calkins Todd Colby Drew Kunz Elizabeth Kate Switaj Rachel Levitsky Christian B?k Raymond Farr derek beaulieu Michael Peters Matt Hart Mako Matsuda Susana Gardner Emma Phillipps Suzy Scarlata Rick Moody Marco Giovenale Caroline Crumpacker Ernest Williamson III Riccardo Boglione Mark Lamoureux http://www.necessetics.com/1ssue.html http://www.necessetics.com/1ssue.html http://www.necessetics.com/1ssue.html _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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But I use Word > now. > > Rsgwynn1@cs.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 8/17/2008 2:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time, >> anny.ballardini@tin.it writes: >> >>> >>> I think I had once a Word Perfect (and it was maybe ten years ago), isn't >>> it something like the plain Office Word? >>> >> >> I still use WP 6.1, which is much easier to operate than MS Word. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems that we, poor users, cannot communicate > with Microsoft. > > > From: Jeff Newberry > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:05 PM > > > Word 2007 is a nightmare, too. > > Jeff Newberry > > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM, wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 8/17/2008 2:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time, > anny.ballardini@tin.it writes: > > > > > > I think I had once a Word Perfect (and it was maybe ten years ago), isn't > it something like the plain Office Word? > > > > I still use WP 6.1, which is much easier to operate than MS Word. > > > > > > -- > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > > Obama Myths: http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "I began to warm and chill to objects and their fields" Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 11:20:41 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Friday, August 29th ** Ball, Chace, Mort, Moschovakis, Murphy and Yankelevich ** Message-ID: <207969.20001.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Stain Bar is at 766 Grand Street in Brooklyn, and you can get there by taking the L train to Grand Street, walk one block West. Cheers to you all, till soon, Ana + Amy The Stain of Poetry: A Reading Series August 29th @ 7 p.m. - Stain Bar - Williamsburg, Brooklyn ** Ball, Chace, Mort, Moschovakis, Murphy and Yankelevich ** ~~~~ Michael Ball grew up in North Carolina & spent most of his adult life in Brooklyn. He currently lives in Baltimore where he curates & hosts the i.e. reading series. ~~~~ Joel Chace has published poetry and prose poetry in print and electronic magazines such as 6ix, Tomorrow, Lost and Found Times, Coracle, xStream, Three Candles, 2River View, Joey & the Black Boots, Recursive Angel, and Veer. He has published more than a dozen print and electronic collections. New from BlazeVox Books is CLEANING THE MIRROR: NEW AND SELECTED POEMS, and from Paper Kite Press, MATTER NO MATTER, another full-length collection. For many years, Chace has been Poetry Editor for the experimental electronic magazine 5_Trope. Amphibian Productions theater company did a staged reading of his play TRIPTYCH, at the Arclight Theatre, on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, Spring, 2005. ~~~~ Photo by Doug Barber valzhyna mort born in minsk, belarus. second book of poetry "factory of tears" came out in april 2008 from copper canyon press, usa. (the first one was published in minsk in 2005 and called "i'm as thin as your eyelashes"). previously was a writer-in-residence at several international locations, also received two international poetry prizes. besides the united states, "factory of tears" was published in sweden and will come out in 2009 in germany. apart from poetry, valzhyna mort runs a black metal music label. ~~~~ Anna Moschovakis is the author of a book of poems,_I Have Not Been Able to Get Through to Everyone_, and of several chapbooks, including most recently _No Medea_ , a Tinyside from Big Game Books. She is also a translator of French poetry and prose and an editor at Ugly Duckling Presse. ~~~~ Ryan Murphy is the author of Down With the Ship from Otis Books/Seismicity Editions. He has received awards from Chelsea magazine and the Aldrich Museum of Contemporary Art, as well as a grant from the Fund for Poetry. He lives in New York. ~~~~ Photo by Stephanie Young Matvei Yankelevich edited and translated TODAY I WROTE NOTHING: THE SELECTED WRITINGS OF DANIIL KHARMS (Overlook, 2007). He is a co-translator of OBERIU: AN ANTHOLOGY OF RUSSIAN ABSURDISM (2006). His translation of the Vladimir Mayakovsky's poem "Cloud in Pants" appears in NIGHT WRAPS THE SKY: WRITINGS BY AND ABOUT MAYAKOVSKY (Farrar, Strauss & Giroux, 2008). He is the author of a long poem, THE PRESENT WORK (Palm Press, 2006) and his writing has appeared in Fence, Open City, and many other literary journals. He teaches Russian Literature at Hunter College in New York City and edits the Eastern European Poets Series at Ugly Duckling Presse in Brooklyn. ~~~~ stain 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L train to Grand Street, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 open daily @ 5 p.m. ~~~~ Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bozicevic http://thestainofpoetry.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/friday-august-29-2008-700-pm-2/ _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080821/9e58e6f2/attachment.html From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Aug 25 18:52:15 2008 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:55 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Revolver Message-ID: <37B76127-A800-4D67-A661-4C109C4E3681@earthlink.net> Revolver Recently, events venture out. 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THEN tell me what you thing of this whole pizzazz. - Jim On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:01 AM, David Graham wrote: > http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/ > > > > > ======================================== > David Graham > grahamd@ripon.edu > > Home Page: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz > > Poetry Library: > http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080826/6f2b622c/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 11:17:34 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Turn On! Mon, Sept 8th @ 8pm - St. Marks Church NYC presented by the Howl! Festival [for Nathaniel Siegel] Message-ID: <190049.2875.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Poetry Turn On ! ? Monday, Sept 8th, 2008 8pm to 10pm St. Mark?s Church 131 East 10th Street NYC 10003 Main Sanctuary ? ? Poets: Mahogany Browne, Regie Cabico, Steve Cannon, Michael Cirelli, Brenda Coultas, Sam Diaz, John Farris, Merry Fortune, Celena Glenn, Lois Griffith, Bill Kushner, Jill Magi, Filip Marinovich, Chris Martin, Stephen Motika, Amy Ouzoonian, Eve Packer, Kristin Prevallet, Shappy, Moonshine Shorey, Rachel M. Simon, Tracy K. Smith, Stacy Szymaszek, Clare Ultimo ? Coming together to read for you & representing: ? The Bowery Poetry Club www.bowerypoetryclub.com A Gathering Of The Tribes www.tribes.org Nuyorican Poets Caf? www.nuyorican.org The Poetry Project www.poetryproject.com Poets House www.poetshouse.org ? This event is FREE and Open to the Public ! Presented by the HOWL ! Festival _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080825/c55a7a07/attachment.html From GrahamD at ripon.edu Fri Aug 22 16:37:09 2008 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Talk poets Message-ID: <217F03AE-5183-467E-977C-19C6827C4DE7@ripon.edu> Well, it's quiet around here. Too Quiet. Let me see if I can stir up some trouble. In his faultlessly concise blog for August 14, our beloved leader Jim Finnegan posted the following: "The natter mannerists: the ?talk poets?." That's the entire entry, so it's not exactly a statement, much less an argument. But I'm guessing he's thinking negatively of Mark Halliday's "ultra-talk" coinage, used to describe poets like David Kirby and of course Mark Halliday. Is that right, Jim? Or perhaps he's thinking back to Frost, Williams, and beyond, to Wordsworth? In any case, I'm always eager to see further ultra-talk talk. So let me lift my eyebrow at Jim's little jab. What does it mean to call such poets (whoever they be) mannerists? Prolix, superfluous, overabundant, formless, even boring, perhaps, sure. Nattering also might work (hard not to continue the phrase into "nabobs of negativism..."). You can make that argument if you wish, yup. But how is "talk poetry" (however defined) *mannered*? The whole idea is to sound like, well, talk! Whereas mannered poetry sounds unlike talk--sort of by definition. I would hasten to add that I don't myself attach values to such poles. A poet like Whitman (great father of ultra-talk) has both mannered and unmannered moments, and I don't actually prefer one mode to the other. Dylan Thomas is nothing if not mannered, and he's a substantial poet. But talky old Dr. Williams in his late poems is also great, and will suffice. Discuss. ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080822/f2b16755/attachment.html From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Tue Aug 26 19:26:30 2008 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1@cs.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Po Biz gets ugly Message-ID: A quick look at three or four says that she's southern and obviously knows how to write a contemporary poem. That said, making the KKK contemporaneous with Sherman's march sounds like a historical error that a little research could have corrected. There are many posts on the Wom-Po website about this book and its problems, including one from the publisher. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080826/c26e528b/attachment.html From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 19:10:32 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Trouble with presses? Message-ID: <404048.32677.qm@web83309.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Anyone experience similar difficulties? Consider an excerpt from the account of Stacey Lynn Brown(http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html): ? ?Anyway, back to my story. Everything was hunky dory with this press, though I was a little surprised and disappointed that I didn?t get one single editorial suggestion from the editor and, in fact, that I had to do the majority of both my own editing as well as the editing for the book as a whole. At last count, I had found and corrected 32 errors?only 3 of which were mine. The other errors were ones made by the editor?jagged margins, dropped italics, misspelled words. But I didn?t mind doing the editing. After all, this was my book, and I wanted it to be right? ? But it gets even better. ? The letter went on to say that even though they had ?revoked? the book award and were not publishing the book, the publishing contract was still valid and in effect and that they owned the rights to my book in all its formats. In order for me to get my rights back, I had to repay them the $1000 prize money I had been given as well as give them the $200 they had spent acquiring the cover art for a book THEY were choosing not to publish. ? In short, they were breaching the contract, refusing to publish my book, and holding the rights to my own work hostage.? ? And Brown?s nightmare with Cider Press Review continues here: http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.htmlhttp://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.htmlhttp://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080825/b14ca1c3/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Aug 26 21:12:24 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Po Biz gets ugly In-Reply-To: <648208b60808261617k4227b588i6b6552d50073b8a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3713CAAE-CFE7-464D-A6F8-198CA1248073@ripon.edu> <648208b60808261617k4227b588i6b6552d50073b8a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAD5F9191A65DF-678-2029@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> I wonder if this incident isn't in part related to the whole?'contest-press publishing phenomenon'. I think the poet in question?would have done as well with her book subsidizing/self-publishing it. How much of bump' or push does a book get by being published by Cider Press or any of the many other contest presses? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: James Cervantes Sent: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Po Biz gets ugly What I find suspicious is her blog entry of Sunday, August 24, 2008: "I had every intention of starting a blog once my poetry collection was taken." ?Does that mean blog for purposes of promotion, the way folks start a page on Facebook to promote their latest book? Google her and read some poems, o.k.? ?THEN tell me what you thing of this whole pizzazz. - Jim On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:01 AM, David Graham wrote: http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/ ======================================== David Graham grahamd@ripon.edu Home Page: http://web.mac.com/drjazz Poetry Library: http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html ========================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080826/85f5c933/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Aug 26 21:32:30 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Trouble with presses? In-Reply-To: <404048.32677.qm@web83309.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <404048.32677.qm@web83309.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAD5FBE82C3469-678-2147@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> The editor's decision to put titles on her work was beyond the pale. As a publisher of?few poetry books, I always paid for a?copy editor to comb thru the ms and review the proof.? (Those of you who have read my posts realize how much help I need in this area.)?Hiring a copy editory is a?minimal cost compared to the?production costs, and it's?wortth every penny. Even if the author decides to 'stet' some of the suggested corrections, there are always a few corrections he/she is grateful for, and often a?couple of major saves (of face). Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: amy king To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 7:10 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Trouble with presses? Anyone experience similar difficulties? Consider an excerpt from the account of Stacey Lynn Brown (http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html): ? ?Anyway, back to my story. Everything was hunky dory with this press, though I was a little surprised and disappointed that I didn?t get one single editorial suggestion from the editor and, in fact, that I had to do the majority of both my own editing as well as the editing for the book as a whole. At last count, I had found and corrected 32 errors?only 3 of which were mine. The other errors were ones made by the editor?jagged margins, dropped italics, misspelled words. But I didn?t mind do ing the editing. After all, this was my book, and I wanted it to be right? ? But it gets even better. ? The letter went on to say that even though they had ?revoked? the book award and were not publishing the book, the publishing contract was still valid and in effect and that they owned the rights to my book in all its formats. In order for me to get my rights back, I had to repay them the $1000 prize money I had been given as well as give them the $200 they had spent acquiring the cover art for a book THEY were choosing not to publish. ? In short, they were breaching the contract, refusing to publish my book, and holding the rights to my own work hostage.? ? And Brown?s nightmare with Cider Press Review continues here: http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080826/3cf2ef6a/attachment.html From brainboltpoet at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 21:36:56 2008 From: brainboltpoet at gmail.com (Beverly Rainbolt) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Trouble with presses? In-Reply-To: <8CAD5FBE82C3469-678-2147@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> References: <404048.32677.qm@web83309.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CAD5FBE82C3469-678-2147@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5513eaa0808261836p3a3ef64avb2369cacf3b25a52@mail.gmail.com> Really! One time an editor tried to put titties on my work and I said no way what do you think I am some kind of boob!! Oh, wait. Nevermind. B On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:32 PM, wrote: > The editor's decision to put titles on her work was beyond the pale. > > As a publisher of few poetry books, I always paid for a copy editor > to comb thru the ms and review the proof. (Those of you who have > read my posts realize how much help I need in this area.) Hiring a > copy editory is a minimal cost compared to the production costs, > and it's wortth every penny. Even if the author decides > to 'stet' some of the suggested corrections, there are always > a few corrections he/she is grateful for, and often a couple of > major saves (of face). > Finnegan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: amy king > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views < > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 7:10 pm > Subject: [New-Poetry] Trouble with presses? > > Anyone experience similar difficulties? > > Consider an excerpt from the account of Stacey Lynn Brown > ( > http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html > ): > > "Anyway, back to my story. Everything was hunky dory with this press, > though I was a little surprised and disappointed that I didn't get one > single editorial suggestion from the editor and, in fact, that I had to do > the majority of both my own editing as well as the editing for the book as a > whole. At last count, I had found and corrected 32 errors?only 3 of which > were mine. The other errors were ones made by the editor?jagged margins, > dropped italics, misspelled words. But I didn't mind doing the editing. > After all, this was my book, and I wanted it to be right? > > But it gets even better. > > The letter went on to say that even though they had "revoked" the book > award and were not publishing the book, the publishing contract was still > valid and in effect and that they owned the rights to my book in all its > formats. In order for me to get my rights back, I had to repay them the > $1000 prize money I had been given as well as give them the $200 they had > spent acquiring the cover art for a book THEY were choosing not to publish. > > In short, they were breaching the contract, refusing to publish my book, > and holding the rights to my own work hostage." > > And Brown's nightmare with Cider Press Review continues here: > > > http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html > http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html > http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html > > > > _______ > > > Movies With Poems > http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ > > Poems To Do > http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ > > Amy's Alias > http://amyking.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing listNew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.eduhttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman > /listinfo/new-poetry > > ------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar. > Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More! > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080826/dfa30dde/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Aug 26 22:13:50 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:56 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Trouble with presses? In-Reply-To: <5513eaa0808261836p3a3ef64avb2369cacf3b25a52@mail.gmail.com> References: <404048.32677.qm@web83309.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CAD5FBE82C3469-678-2147@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> <5513eaa0808261836p3a3ef64avb2369cacf3b25a52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAD601ADD63CF1-678-2393@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> Or maybe clean up Emily Dickinson's work while s/he was at it. A title to poem meant ot have none makes of the poem ai non sequitur. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: Beverly Rainbolt Sent: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 9:36 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trouble with presses? Really! One time an editor tried to put titties on my work and I said no way what do you think I am some kind of boob!! Oh, wait. Nevermind. B On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:32 PM, wrote: The editor's decision to put titles on her work was beyond the pale. As a publisher of?few poetry books, I always paid for a?copy editor to comb thru the ms and review the proof.? (Those of you who have read my posts realize how much help I need in this area.)?Hiring a copy editory is a?minimal cost compared to the?production costs, and it's?wortth every penny. Even if the author decides to 'stet' some of the suggested corrections, there are always a few corrections he/she is grateful for, and often a?couple of major saves (of face). Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: amy king To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 7:10 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Trouble with presses? Anyone experience similar difficulties? Consider an excerpt from the account of Stacey Lynn Brown (http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html): ? "Anyway, back to my story. Everything was hunky dory with this press, though I was a little surprised and disappointed that I didn't get one single editorial suggestion from the editor and, in fact, that I had to do the majority of both my own editing as well as the editing for the book as a whole. At last count, I had found and corrected 32 errors?only 3 of which were mine. The other errors were ones made by the editor?jagged margins, dropped italics, misspelled words. But I didn't mind doing the editing. After all, this was my book, and I wanted it to be right? ? But it gets even better. ? The letter went on to say that even though they had "revoked" the book award and were not publishing the book, the publishing contract was still valid and in effect and that they owned the rights to my book in all its formats. In order for me to get my rights back, I had to repay them the $1000 prize money I had been given as well as give them the $200 they had spent acquiring the cover art for a book THEY were choosing not to publish. ? In short, they were breaching the contract, refusing to publish my book, and holding the rights to my own work hostage." ? And Brown's nightmare with Cider Press Review continues here: http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html http://staceylynnbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-than-auspicious-debut.html _______ M ovies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ _______________________________________________ ew-Poetry mailing list ew-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu ttp://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman listinfo/new-poetry Get the MapQuest Toolbar. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080826/f5117b22/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Tue Aug 26 23:16:16 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Talk poets In-Reply-To: <217F03AE-5183-467E-977C-19C6827C4DE7@ripon.edu> References: <217F03AE-5183-467E-977C-19C6827C4DE7@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <8CAD60A63AB6B95-678-2671@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> David, often my remakrs are verbal?fillips...trying to provoke myself, if no one else, into some sustained rumnination on the subject.?Things said but not thunk thru...but also?not without some truth element.? I was?certainly thinking of 'talk poets' who are trying to talk up a storm. In psychology it's sometime called "pressured speech" and it's an abnormality. It's drag dramatic monologue because there's no dramatic persona nor situation. The manner is typically in the extreme effort to heighten the speech surrounding some contemporary/ordinary situation?to a crazed?level while not alienating the reader/hearer...the speaker ever much so wants to stay 'likeable'. Give it a jumpy and restless diction, add a frenetic and headlong pace to the speech, with?extravagant digressions galore thrown in?for good measure. Dismay?but charm. 'Catch me if you can, I'm gingerbread man' kind of manner. A rat-tah-tah-tat natter, if you will. Often enjoyable to run behind and read. But it's a first-person?fashion, by now, and thus a?manner. There are also the folksy plain speakers, who one might call? the 'slow talk poets'. Cracker-barrel wits: Not in all their poems, but, at times, you could count Ted Kooser, Wendell Berry, Wm. Stafford, etc., in that lot. Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: David Graham To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu & Views Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 4:37 pm Subject: [New-Poetry] Talk poets Well, it's quiet around here. ?Too Quiet. ?Let me see if I can stir up some trouble. In his faultlessly concise blog for August 14, our beloved leader Jim Finnegan posted the following: ?? ? "The natter mannerists: the ?talk poets?." That's the entire entry, so it's not exactly a statement, much less an argument. ?But I'm guessing he's thinking negatively of Mark Halliday's "ultra-talk" coinage, used to describe poets like David Kirby and of course Mark Halliday. ? Is that right, Jim? ?Or perhaps he's thinking back to Frost, Williams, and beyond, to Wordsworth? ?In any case, I'm always eager to see further ultra-talk talk. ? So let me lift my eyebrow at Jim's little jab. ?What does it mean to call such poets (whoever they be) mannerists? ?Prolix, superfluous, overabundant, formless, even boring, perhaps, sure.??Nattering also might work (hard not to continue the phrase into "nabobs of negativism..."). ?You can make that argument if you wish, yup. ? But how is "talk poetry" (however defined) *mannered*?? The whole idea is to sound like, well, talk!??Whereas mannered poetry sounds unlike talk--sort of by definition. ?I would hasten to add that I don't myself attach values to such poles. ?A poet like Whitman (great father of ultra-talk) has both mannered and unmannered moments, and I don't actually prefer one mode to the other. ?Dylan Thomas is nothing if not mannered, and he's a substantial poet. ?But talky=2 0old Dr. Williams in his late poems is also great, and will suffice. 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080827/2c248526/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Aug 27 15:58:28 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Gregory Orr to speak and teach at Atheneum Message-ID: <8CAD6966851024A-5AC-15CB@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> http://www.nantucketindependent.com/news/2008/0827/the_arts/029.html Poet Gregory Orr to speak and teach at Atheneum BY MARY LANCASTER INDEPENDENT WRITER ? Gregory Orr has had to endure three major tragedies in his life. Instead of letting those events destroy him, he allowed his emotions to be a driving force behind his creativity. Orr, an acclaimed poet who is considered a master of short verse, will host a poetry writing workshop at the Atheneum on August 30 and present a poetry reading there on August 31. Orr was born in Albany, N.Y. and was raised in the Hudson Valley. When he was 12 he went deer hunting with his father, older brother and two younger brothers. After they shot a deer they all gathered around it. Orr thought his rifle was empty, but it went off and killed one of his younger siblings who was standing next to him. "Poetry is a challenge to meaning. I think poetry is using language and imagination to restabilize the self. As such, it has an incredible survival value. It helps people to live," said Orr, who began writing after the accident. "It was an extreme example of meaning. There was violence, there was loss, and there was trauma through the whole family. At the age of 12, I explained this huge vacuum of meaning. The day my brother died, someone said to me, 'Your brother is alive in heaven with Jesus.' I had a conventional meaning system before that, but that [event] just destroyed it." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080827/8d9e3e28/attachment.html From jforjames at aol.com Wed Aug 27 16:06:52 2008 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] MJ's new RB recordings Message-ID: <8CAD697950CAC3E-5AC-1689@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/aug/27/michael.jackson.david.gest.robertburns Michael Jackson goes into studio with Robert Burns David Gest claims to have collaborated with pop legend on album setting poems to music Burns's poetry might have been dismissed as "sentimental doggerel" by Jeremy Paxman but that hasn't stopped diminutive I'm A Celebrity contestant David Gest and pop legend Michael Jackson from recording an album of the much-loved Scottish poet's work. Gest's spokesman said the album is a modern musical take on some of Burns' classic poems, and had been a long cherished project. He explained that he and Jackson were originally planning to do a musical about Burns's life, but decided instead to turn his poetry into show tunes. Poems featured on the album include Ae Fond Kiss and Tam O'Shanter, the story of a man from Ayr who stays too long in a pub and witnesses a satanic vision on his trip home. Gest is now keen to tackle Red Red Rose, he said. "We haven't changed the lyrics but the music is now modern and brought up to date," Gest said. "Michael and I had fun. It's something we have always wanted to do?because he is our favourite poet." There are no current plans to release the recording as an album -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080827/339716e5/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Aug 27 16:23:37 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Gregory Orr to speak and teach at Atheneum In-Reply-To: <8CAD6966851024A-5AC-15CB@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAD6966851024A-5AC-15CB@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5CBC7A9FE2D248DA827CF348B9FA0068@AnnyPC> I had about the same thought when at 12, after the Christmas holidays, one girl was absent, she had died of leukemia, and the priest said something like "She is happier now that she is in heaven..." I was wondering, is it the age that gives a specific kind of thoughts? ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Gregory Orr to speak and teach at Atheneum http://www.nantucketindependent.com/news/2008/0827/the_arts/029.html Poet Gregory Orr to speak and teach at Atheneum BY MARY LANCASTER INDEPENDENT WRITER Gregory Orr has had to endure three major tragedies in his life. Instead of letting those events destroy him, he allowed his emotions to be a driving force behind his creativity. Orr, an acclaimed poet who is considered a master of short verse, will host a poetry writing workshop at the Atheneum on August 30 and present a poetry reading there on August 31. Orr was born in Albany, N.Y. and was raised in the Hudson Valley. When he was 12 he went deer hunting with his father, older brother and two younger brothers. After they shot a deer they all gathered around it. Orr thought his rifle was empty, but it went off and killed one of his younger siblings who was standing next to him. "Poetry is a challenge to meaning. I think poetry is using language and imagination to restabilize the self. As such, it has an incredible survival value. It helps people to live," said Orr, who began writing after the accident. "It was an extreme example of meaning. There was violence, there was loss, and there was trauma through the whole family. At the age of 12, I explained this huge vacuum of meaning. The day my brother died, someone said to me, 'Your brother is alive in heaven with Jesus.' I had a conventional meaning system before that, but that [event] just destroyed it." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080827/207bece2/attachment.html From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Aug 27 16:39:19 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Gregory Orr to speak and teach at Atheneum In-Reply-To: <5CBC7A9FE2D248DA827CF348B9FA0068@AnnyPC> References: <8CAD6966851024A-5AC-15CB@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com> <5CBC7A9FE2D248DA827CF348B9FA0068@AnnyPC> Message-ID: <61E6DBBEE1EB46539F76C4E403CBE58A@AnnyPC> when 12, logically, sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poet Gregory Orr to speak and teach at Atheneum I had about the same thought when at 12, after the Christmas holidays, one girl was absent, she had died of leukemia, and the priest said something like "She is happier now that she is in heaven..." I was wondering, is it the age that gives a specific kind of thoughts? ----- Original Message ----- From: jforjames@aol.com To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Gregory Orr to speak and teach at Atheneum http://www.nantucketindependent.com/news/2008/0827/the_arts/029.html Poet Gregory Orr to speak and teach at Atheneum BY MARY LANCASTER INDEPENDENT WRITER Gregory Orr has had to endure three major tragedies in his life. Instead of letting those events destroy him, he allowed his emotions to be a driving force behind his creativity. Orr, an acclaimed poet who is considered a master of short verse, will host a poetry writing workshop at the Atheneum on August 30 and present a poetry reading there on August 31. Orr was born in Albany, N.Y. and was raised in the Hudson Valley. When he was 12 he went deer hunting with his father, older brother and two younger brothers. After they shot a deer they all gathered around it. Orr thought his rifle was empty, but it went off and killed one of his younger siblings who was standing next to him. "Poetry is a challenge to meaning. I think poetry is using language and imagination to restabilize the self. As such, it has an incredible survival value. It helps people to live," said Orr, who began writing after the accident. "It was an extreme example of meaning. There was violence, there was loss, and there was trauma through the whole family. At the age of 12, I explained this huge vacuum of meaning. The day my brother died, someone said to me, 'Your brother is alive in heaven with Jesus.' I had a conventional meaning system before that, but that [event] just destroyed it." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080827/2d726472/attachment.html From tony at starve.org Thu Aug 28 11:38:11 2008 From: tony at starve.org (Tony Trigilio) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fall '08 Poetry Readings at Columbia College Chicago Message-ID: <48B6C663.3060506@starve.org> Fall 2008 Poetry Readings at Columbia College Chicago Sponsored by the English Department Free and open to the public For more information: 312-369-8819 PETER GIZZI Thurs., Sept. 11, 2008 (6:00 p.m.) Ferguson Theatre, 600 South Michigan Avenue Co-sponsored with the Poetry Foundation JOANNE KYGER Friday, Oct. 10, 2008 (7:00 p.m.) Film Row Cinema, 1104 South Wabash Avenue, 8th Floor DIANE di PRIMA Saturday, Oct. 11, 2008 (7:00 p.m.) Film Row Cinema, 1104 South Wabash Avenue, 8th Floor (Kyger and di Prima readings co-sponsored with Columbia College's Provost's Office and Ellen Stone Belic Institute for the Study of Women and Gender in the Arts and Media, the Illinois State University English Department and College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, and the Beat Studies Association) JOHN MURILLO, AIMEE NEZHUKUMATATHIL, & ROBYN SCHIFF Wed., Nov. 5, 2008 (5:30 p.m.) Music Center Concert Hall, 1014 South Michigan Avenue From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 13:39:49 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] TOMORROW NIGHT -- ** Ball, Chace, Mort, Moschovakis, Murphy and Yankelevich ** Message-ID: <825097.78309.qm@web83309.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Stain Bar is at 766 Grand Street in Brooklyn, and you can get there by taking the L train to Grand Street, walk one block West. Cheers to you all, till soon, Ana + Amy The Stain of Poetry: A Reading Series August 29th @ 7 p.m. - Stain Bar - Williamsburg, Brooklyn ** Ball, Chace, Mort, Moschovakis, Murphy and Yankelevich ** ~~~~ Michael Ball grew up in North Carolina & spent most of his adult life in Brooklyn. He currently lives in Baltimore where he curates & hosts the i.e. reading series. ~~~~ Joel Chace has published poetry and prose poetry in print and electronic magazines such as 6ix, Tomorrow, Lost and Found Times, Coracle, xStream, Three Candles, 2River View, Joey & the Black Boots, Recursive Angel, and Veer. He has published more than a dozen print and electronic collections. New from BlazeVox Books is CLEANING THE MIRROR: NEW AND SELECTED POEMS, and from Paper Kite Press, MATTER NO MATTER, another full-length collection. For many years, Chace has been Poetry Editor for the experimental electronic magazine 5_Trope. Amphibian Productions theater company did a staged reading of his play TRIPTYCH, at the Arclight Theatre, on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, Spring, 2005. ~~~~ Photo by Doug Barber valzhyna mort born in minsk, belarus. second book of poetry "factory of tears" came out in april 2008 from copper canyon press, usa. (the first one was published in minsk in 2005 and called "i'm as thin as your eyelashes"). previously was a writer-in-residence at several international locations, also received two international poetry prizes. besides the united states, "factory of tears" was published in sweden and will come out in 2009 in germany. apart from poetry, valzhyna mort runs a black metal music label. ~~~~ Anna Moschovakis is the author of a book of poems,_I Have Not Been Able to Get Through to Everyone_, and of several chapbooks, including most recently _No Medea_ , a Tinyside from Big Game Books. She is also a translator of French poetry and prose and an editor at Ugly Duckling Presse. ~~~~ Ryan Murphy is the author of Down With the Ship from Otis Books/Seismicity Editions. He has received awards from Chelsea magazine and the Aldrich Museum of Contemporary Art, as well as a grant from the Fund for Poetry. He lives in New York. ~~~~ Photo by Stephanie Young Matvei Yankelevich edited and translated TODAY I WROTE NOTHING: THE SELECTED WRITINGS OF DANIIL KHARMS (Overlook, 2007). He is a co-translator of OBERIU: AN ANTHOLOGY OF RUSSIAN ABSURDISM (2006). His translation of the Vladimir Mayakovsky's poem "Cloud in Pants" appears in NIGHT WRAPS THE SKY: WRITINGS BY AND ABOUT MAYAKOVSKY (Farrar, Strauss & Giroux, 2008). He is the author of a long poem, THE PRESENT WORK (Palm Press, 2006) and his writing has appeared in Fence, Open City, and many other literary journals. He teaches Russian Literature at Hunter College in New York City and edits the Eastern European Poets Series at Ugly Duckling Presse in Brooklyn. ~~~~ stain 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L train to Grand Street, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 open daily @ 5 p.m. ~~~~ Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bozicevic http://thestainofpoetry.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/friday-august-29-2008-700-pm-2/ _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080828/001b464d/attachment.html From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 19:24:00 2008 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Who Publishes Short Plays? Message-ID: <731bb17a0808281624v5218db2cv537f01fe084da175@mail.gmail.com> A question to those in the know: besides Gay Brewer's *Poems & Plays*, what literary magazine(s) (print or electronic) publish one-act plays? Jeff Newberry -- Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080828/7c82f5dc/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Aug 28 20:02:41 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Who Publishes Short Plays? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0808281624v5218db2cv537f01fe084da175@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0808281624v5218db2cv537f01fe084da175@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B73CA1.9020408@opus40.org> Sort of like the Royal Teens' classic question: Who Wears Short Shorts? There are a lot of regional and college theaters who do short play festivals. but that's not quite what you're asking. Jeff Newberry wrote: > A question to those in the know: besides Gay Brewer's /Poems & Plays/, > what literary magazine(s) (print or electronic) publish one-act plays? > > Jeff Newberry > > > > -- > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Aug 28 21:52:54 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Film Noir (self-promotion) Message-ID: <48B75676.1060306@opus40.org> My book of drawings -- dark fantasies based on film noir images -- is now available, and can be ordered from http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2712239]. -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From blacksox at att.net Fri Aug 29 00:24:34 2008 From: blacksox at att.net (blacksox@att.net) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:57 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Can anybody help a Panamanian poet? Message-ID: <082920080424.2163.48B77A02000416B40000087322230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF98019C050C0E040D@att.net> My good friend and poet Carmen Lopez is teaching in Panama. She is looking for a spanish class, to exchange poetry post cards with. High school age kids might be open to this kind of thing , she hopes. Although we have discussed the difference in the way North America views and uses poetry, and the way South America uses it. Two different animals. It could be rather interesting, and fun too. her contact info cocopel_1@hotmail.com Thanks for your help Russ Golata -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/related From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Aug 29 07:19:45 2008 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] for Jeff Message-ID: <5F9858162A1A4961B8528387F8CA61CB@AnnyPC> Hi Jeff, I regularly receive the following. I am sure you will find a mag that is interested in publishing your writing. If you read the first paragraph, you can subscribe and receive it. Good luck, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: noreply@duotrope.com To: subscribers@duotrope.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: Duotrope's Digest Weekly Wire Poetry Edition This is an automated email. Please do not reply to it, as no one will see your message. If you have trouble reading this email, please change your subscription to the plain text version. You can unsubscribe or change your preferences here. Please do not repost this message without including the full message text. Greetings from Duotrope's Digest, How is our Keep It Free Campaign going? CODE RED! We are behind on meeting our current goal for this month. Even a small amount will help. If all of our subscribers contributed just $4.25 per year, we would meet our goal for the year. Unfortunately, only a small percentage of our subscribers contributes. So far this year, 8.39% of our subscribers have donated. The average donation has been $17.22. (Learn more about the campaign and why we need donations.) Here are the latest market additions and updates, as well as some upcoming themed publication deadlines. Paying Markets Added (since last newsletter): 1: Every Day Poets. Payscale: Token payment (under $5 per poem). From the publisher: "Every Day Poets is looking for short poems, of 500 words or fewer. There's no such thing as too short. All genres are acceptable, and poems that don't fit neatly into any genre are welcome too. Our readership is adult, so poems intended for children are unlikely to be accepted unless they are relevant to adults as well. On the other hand, we are not impressed by gratuitous sex and violence, or pointlessly foul language; edgy content should be necessary to the purpose of the poem and appropriate to this venue." 2: Falling Star Magazine. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies) to semi-pro payment ($5-49 per poem). From the publisher: "Falling Star Magazine is a print quarterly featuring short fiction, poetry and art of all mediums." 3: Masques. Payscale: Token payment (under $5 per poem) to semi-pro payment ($5-49 per poem). From the publisher: "Masques will be edited by Gillian Polack and Scott Hopkins. All approaches to the theme are welcome, as long as they are by nature speculative. Submissions are encouraged from Australian writers of all levels of experience, with special encouragement given to CSFG members." 4: New Fables. Payscale: Semi-pro payment ($5-49 per poem). From the publisher: "New Fables is looking for creative, original stories that use anthropomorphic animal characters to tell basic human stories. We favor stories in a literary tradition; not only fables and folk tales, but well-constructed stories in which the animal characterization is part of the larger theme of the work. It is highly recommended that you pick up one of our previous issues to see what kind of material we publish." 5: New Love Stories Magazine. Payscale: Professional payment ($50 or more per poem). From the publisher: "The overall theme should involve short stories of Male/Female love and romance. These stories may be contemporary, historic, inspirational, paranormal, or any other theme as long as love and romance are the main thrust of the story." 6: Shock Totem. Payscale: Semi-pro payment ($5-49 per poem). Non-Paying Markets Added (since last newsletter): 1: 10 x 3 plus. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "10x3 plus began publishing in 2007. Each issue showcases 10 poets x 3 poems or 3 poets x 10 poems plus other poems, prose-poems, or features. The idea of the magazine is to publish multiple poems by poets. With this goal in mind, the editor accepts poets first, and poems second. The magazine has also featured longer works, such as Jesse Weiner's book-length poem, The Structure of Complex Symbols, which was "fragmented" in issue #1. Other "top ten" poets have included Rick Campbell, Grace Cavalieri, Tomas De Faoite, Michael Gessner, Susan Grimm, John Kay, Martin Turner, and Fredrick Zydek. When you read 10 x 3, you will find that the poets published are varied, and the quality of the writing is excellent." 2: Ampersand (&), The. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "We are looking for creative work, but only good creative work. Give us God, give us god, give us man, give us people & make us laugh. If you can make us cry, do so, if you want to lament loss of pets & family, do not. We enjoy smiling & the bizarre sensation of the rabble-rouse. We want to feel, & we want to want, & we don't want Cheap Trick jokes inserted here, unless they are awesome. We are strict & unbiased; we value aesthetic above morality; we want to read a good piece as much as our readers, so write one before submitting." 3: Argot. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "Argot is a biannual magazine based in Singapore featuring poetry, fiction and the occasional article or interview. Its content is weighted towards, but not limited to, local writers and young writers (and especially writers who are both)." 4: Black Satellite. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "Black Satellite (BS) seeks submissions of startling/terrifying science fiction, some weird horror, and original artwork. No vampires, no gothic horror, no ghost stories, and no slipstream. I want character driven stories that leave an image in the reader's mind long after finishing the story. I want stories with a beginning, a middle, and an ending. In other words, a plot. No mood pieces. No cliches. Show me that you can be original or at least concoct a new twist on a familiar theme. I am particularly interested in seeing cross genre stories. Think along the lines of "The Outer Limits", "The Twilight Zone", the Alien movies, or even the old magazine "Argonaut". My favorite writers include Al Manachino, Tim Curran, and many others." 5: Broken Plate, The. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "The project began with a dirty, shattered dish lying on the coffee shop floor and, after some editorial initiative, became a journal of creative writing we are quite proud to have produced. Ball State University English Department's undergraduate literary magazine, The Broken Plate, features poetry, fiction, and creative nonfiction. The jagged connections of words and images within these pieces parallel our attempts at fitting together the shards of our lives into a new and understandable form. Shattered against the ground, the plate ain't what it used to be-there are now several new pieces that have different shapes than before." 6: Caveat Lector. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "Caveat Lector is a semi-annual magazine dedicated to literature, social and cultural criticism, philosophy, and the arts." 7: Dante's Heart. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "Dante's Heart offers an online venue for established and new writers and artists to share creative work that explores how myth and fairy tale define and are defined by the human experience(s). We want to celebrate the shock, wonder, bewilderment, suffering, and enchantment of myth, of the fantastic; we want to hear about rivers running with wine and ghosts jumping the Mississippi on motorcycles. We're concerned with the neglect of myth, with the blindness of a culture determined by myths it hasn't thought about; we demand (beg, entreat, scream) that myths be thought about, made and remade, handled with a delicate & angry/sad/ desperate/joyous exuberance. Dante's Heart has no investment in being either traditional or avant-garde, in genre or trans-genre, academic or popular; our whole commitment is to discovery, to surprise or be surprised." 8: HEX Magazine. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "HEX is a bi-annual publication and an online community giving voice to radical traditionalists and the modern heathen household. We are here to serve those who honor the indigenous traditions and beliefs of European people. In a world driven by consumerism, globalization, and the homogenization of cultures, this magazine strives to bring our focus back to the evident truths of the seasonal cycles, the folkways & rites of our ancestors, earth stewardship, self-sufficiency, and sustainable living. By making old world knowledge and wisdom available for use in our everyday lives, we aspire to bring continuity to the present and hope to our future generations." 9: Horror Bound Online Magazine. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "Material should be of a horror/dark fantasy or supernatural theme in the fiction genre." 10: Inscribed: A Magazine for Writers. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "Since 2006, Inscribed: A Magazine for Writers has had thousands of readers who return again and again to enjoy the unique perspectives and use of language from our highly diverse contributor base." 11: PLUMb. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "PLUMb Arts Journal is a not-for-profit arts journal which seeks to provide encouragement and exposure to emerging Christian artists and writers in Canada. We distribute our print journal locally in the Metro Vancouver area." 12: Ragged Sky Poems about Clothing Anthology. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "Ragged Sky Press is looking for poems about clothing for a one-time anthology: outergarments, undergarments, shoes, accessories-anything that conceals...or reveals. Well-woven poems will be selected by the editors." 13: Reverie: Midwest African American Literature. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "Reverie is a journal devoted to featuring high quality literature by African Americans "connected" to the Midwest. The Review Board consists of a distinguished group of professional writers and instructors." 14: Southern California Review. Payscale: Non-paying (may provide copies). From the publisher: "Southern California Review (SCR) is the student-run biannual literary journal of the Master of Professional Writing (MPW) Program at the University of Southern California (USC). Formerly known as the Southern California Anthology, it has been publishing fiction and poetry since 1982 and now also accepts submissions of creative nonfiction, plays, and screenplays. Printed every October and April with original cover artwork, every issue contains new, emerging, and established authors." Markets Updated (since last newsletter): 1. Andromeda Spaceways Inflight Magazine: Website was not functioning on our last visit; their bandwidth allowance was used up and they are working on getting the site back up. 2. Arabesques Review, The: Website has not been functioning for over a month; editor has not responded to us; we are declaring this a "dead" market. 3. Aret?: Website has not been functioning for over a month; editor has not responded to us; we are declaring this a "dead" market. 4. artisan: Permanently closed. 5. dANDelion: Website has not been functioning for over a month; editor has not responded to us; we are declaring this a "dead" market. 6. Gastronomica: Has a new postal address. 7. Kudzu: Website was not functioning on our last visit. 8. Parameter: No longer accepts fiction. 9. pLUNGE: Website has not been functioning for over a month; editor has not responded to us; we are declaring this a "dead" market. 10. Water~Stone Review: Website was not functioning on our last visit. Markets that have Opened/Re-Opened to submissions (since last newsletter): 1. Clockwise Cat Re-opened to submissions. 2. Post Road Magazine Re-opened to submissions. 3. Twilight Times Re-opened to submissions. Markets that have Temporarily Closed to submissions (since last newsletter): 1. DemonMinds: Temporarily closed to submissions. 2. Quirk, The: Temporarily closed to submissions. 3. Red Clay Review, The: Temporarily closed to submissions. 4. Samsara: Temporarily closed to submissions. 5. Serpentarius Magazine: Temporarily closed to submissions. Upcoming Themed Publication Deadlines: 8/30/2008: eMuse Summer Camp Competition (see site for details) - eMuse 8/30/2008: The Sublime & Beautiful in Children's Reality - Arabesques Review, The 8/31/2008: Museums - Beltway Poetry Quarterly 8/31/2008: North Carolina Drama - North Carolina Literary Review 8/31/2008: Teeth - At-Large Magazine 8/31/2008: You've Got to Hide Your Love Away - Falling Star Magazine 9/1/2008: Cruel & Unusual - 52nd City 9/1/2008: Duende - Toward the Light 9/1/2008: Fashion - The Face of Culture - Frame Lines 9/1/2008: Government - Whistling Shade 9/1/2008: Press (see their site for details) - Matter 9/1/2008: Wolf Folkore & Werewolf Lore - Dante's Heart 9/15/2008: Cold Shoulders and Evil Eyes (experiences with exclusion, ostracism or stigma) - Wising Up Anthologies 9/15/2008: Ekphrasis - Mississippi Review, The 9/15/2008: Food - Shakespeare's Monkey Revue 9/15/2008: I am the Walrus - Hiss Quarterly, The 9/15/2008: Queer & Loathing in Wonderland - Polluto 9/15/2008: Reverie - Ruminate 9/15/2008: Short poems (4 lines or less) - Poet's Ink Review / New Writer's Showcase 9/15/2008: Sovereign - Moondance 9/15/2008: The "Religion" Issue - sub-TERRAIN 9/15/2008: The Power of the Center: The Power to Include - Wising Up Anthologies 9/15/2008: Where does humor come from? - Tiny Lights "Searchlights & Signal Flares" 9/19/2008: The Four Elements - Mslexia 9/20/2008: Way Back Home: Haiku and Tanka of Home & Belonging - 3LIGHTS Gallery 9/22/2008: Poetry featuring the semicolon - CRIT Journal (Crossing Rivers Into Twilight) 9/30/2008: Australian pastoral - Cordite Poetry Review Responses have been reported from these Markets (since last newsletter): American Poetry Review, The Ampersand (&), The Anti- Apple Valley Review, The Asheville Poetry Review Avocet: A Journal of Nature Poems Barrow Street Battered Suitcase, The Bellevue Literary Review Beloit Poetry Journal Big Toe Review, The Bitter Oleander Press, The BOXCAR Poetry Review Caffeine Destiny Caketrain Cause & Effect Chronogram Cream City Review Dead Mule School of Southern Literature, The DMQ Review Fifth Wednesday Journal Florida Review, The Freshwater Ghoti Magazine GUD: Greatest Uncommon Denominator Guernica Handsome Journal Har?ah: Breath of Heaven Houston Literary Review, The Hunger Mountain Illumen JMWW Journal, The JuiceBox: a journal of the ordinary Keyhole Magazine Linebreak Louisville Review, The Lucid Rhythms MARGIE Mid-American Review miller's pond poetry magazine MindFlights MungBeing Mythic Delirium Necrography New England Review New Ohio Review (/nor) Niteblade O Sweet Flowery Roses Other Poetry Pear Noir! 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080829/af9f083b/attachment.html From tony at starve.org Fri Aug 29 14:05:40 2008 From: tony at starve.org (Tony Trigilio) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Registration discount through Sept. 1, The Beat Generation Symposium at Columbia College Chicago Message-ID: <48B83A74.2060402@starve.org> Hi all--The registration discount for The Beat Generation Symposium ends Sept. 1. Information below on how to register online, by phone, or by postal mail. Thanks-- Best, Tony *********************************************** THE BEAT GENERATION SYMPOSIUM *********************************************** DISCOUNT DEADLINE EXTENDED! Register before September 1 for a discounted fee (see below for details). Please join us for a conference devoted to the literary and cultural legacy of the Beat Generation: "The Beat Generation Symposium," co-sponsored by the Beat Studies Association, the Columbia College Chicago English Department and Provost's Office, Columbia College's Ellen Stone Belic Institute for the Study of Women and Gender in the Arts and Media, and the Illinois State University Department of English and College of Liberal Arts and Sciences. Friday, October 10, and Saturday, October 11, 2008. Location: Columbia College Chicago, Film Row Theater (1104 South Wabash Avenue, 8th floor). This is an academic Beat Studies conference to be held in conjunction with the Columbia College's Center for the Book and Paper Arts's Fall 2008 display of the Jack Kerouac ON THE ROAD manuscript scroll. The Beat Generation Symposium features panel discussions each day, with poetry readings by Joanne Kyger (October 10) and Diane di Prima (October 11). The readings are free and open to the public. Joanne Kyger, a native California writer, is the author of over 20 books of poetry. She is known for her ties to the poets of Black Mountain College, the San Francisco Renaissance, and the Beat Generation. Her most recent books are About Now: Collected Poems, 1957-2004 (National Poetry Foundation, 2007) and Not Veracruz (Libellum Press, 2007). She taught for many years at Naropa University's poetics program, and The New College of San Francisco. She lives on the coast north of San Francisco. Diane di Prima lives and works in San Francisco. She is the author of 43 books of poetry and prose, and her work has been translated into more than 20 languages. Recent publications include Recollections of My Life as a Woman (Penguin, 2002) and an expanded edition of Revolutionary Letters (Last Gasp Press, 2007). In 2006 di Prima received the Fred Cody Award for Lifetime Achievement and community service from the Northern California Book Critics Association. Panelists include John Bryant, Peter Cook, Terrance Diggory, Jane Falk, Amy Friedman, Deborah R. Geis, Nancy M. Grace, Tim Hunt, Rob Johnson, Ronna Johnson, Hassan Melehy, Timothy Murphy, Jennie Skerl, Matt Theado, Tony Trigilio, and more. The weekend of the symposium, there will be a related offsite reading by Michael Rothenberg (Unhurried Vision) and David Meltzer (David's Copy) sponsored by Myopic Books and the Poetry Center of Chicago. Sunday, October 12, 7:00 p.m. Myopic Books, 1564 N Milwaukee Ave, in Chicago's Wicker Park neighborhood. Conference fee for those who pre-register by September 1: $50 ($25 for Graduate Students, Independent Scholars, and Retired Faculty). After September 1, the fees are $100 and $50. Checks should be made payable to Columbia College Chicago, and should be sent to: Columbia Ticket Center 33 East Congress St., Suite 610 Chicago, IL 60605 Ph: 312-344-6600 (fax 312-344-8470) columbiatickets@colum.edu To register by credit card, call the Columbia Ticket Office at the number above, or register online at: www.colum.edu/tickets/index.php A limited number of hotel rooms are available at the Homewood Suites by Hilton Chicago-Downtown, 40 East Grand Avenue, Chicago. This hotel is a very short cab or subway ride from the Columbia campus. The Homewood Suites prepared a special link for us to book online. Just click below and you'll find directions for reserving a room: http://homewoodsuites.hilton.com/en/hw/groups/personalized/CHIHWHW-CL-20081009/index.jhtml It's important that you book your room as soon as possible, as the Chicago Marathon is taking place October 12. (We only discovered this convergence recently, after we'd already booked the featured readers.) A Visitor's Guide for the Beat Symposium is pasted below, with a list of nearby hotels. Columbia College Chicago is located downtown, in the heart of the city's South Loop neighborhood, and is easily accessible from these hotels by foot or cab. All major subway/El trains come into the South Loop, too, so it's possible to book hotels in other parts of the city and make it to the Symposium without difficulty. Mention that you're a Columbia College Chicago visitor to receive discounted rates at some of these hotels. It's crucial to book as soon as possible because of the marathon. For more information, contact Tony Trigilio at ttrigilio@colum.edu (312-344-8138). VISITOR'S GUIDE: THE BEAT GENERATION SYMPOSIUM Airports: O'Hare Airport (western suburbs) and Midway Airport (southern suburbs) are the two airports servicing the Chicgao area. They are approximately equidistant from Columbia College. Transportation: >From Midway Airport, take the Orange Line elevated train to Adams Street. From there, walk south on Wabash until you reach Congress Parkway. From O'Hare Airport, take the Blue Line to La Salle. Walk East on Congress (away from the Chicago Stock Exchange Building, which you'll see upon emerging from the subway) until you reach Wabash (about 5 short blocks). Use www.transitchicago.com's free Trip Planner service to plan the rest of your trips while you're here. Simply enter your starting point and destination, and Trip Planner gives you detailed directions. As of 2008, fares are $2.00 one-way with a $0.25 transfer. Each train station has kiosks where you can buy transit cards and reload them (cash only). The Blue Line and Red Line run 24/7; the other lines stop running for a few hours late at night. Taxis are available throughout the city. From Midway Airport to the English Department, cab fare would be approximately $25 and from O'Hare Airport cab fare would be approximately $50. If you need to call a cab, call (773) or (312) TAXICAB. Metra Trains service suburban areas. Visit www.metrarail.com for an updated schedule and fare list. NEARBY HOTELS The Hilton and Towers 722 S Michigan Ave (0.2 miles from the English Department) (312) 922-4400 The Palmer House Hilton 17 E Monroe St (0.4 miles away) (312) 726-7500 or 1-800-HILTONS The Best Western Grant Park 1100 S Michigan Ave (0.6 mi) (312) 922-2900 Travelodge 65 E Harrison St (0.1 mi) (312) 427-8000 Hotel Blake 500 S Dearborn St (0.3 mi) (312) 986-1234 www.hyatt.com Blackstone Hotel 819 S Wabash Ave # 606 (0.3 mi) (312) 447-0955 marriott.com The Silversmith Hotel 10 S Wabash Ave (0.4 mi) (312) 372-7696 silversmithchicagohotel.com Omni Ambassador East 1301 S State St (0.7 mi) (312) 787-3700 Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago-Downtown 600 North State Street (1.5 mi) (312) 943-3800 embassysuites.com Essex Inn Hotel 800 S Michigan Ave (0.3 mi) (312) 939-2800 essexinn.com Club Quarters: Hotel 111 W Adams St (0.4 mi) (312) 214-6400 clubquarters.com W Hotels-Chicago City Center 172 W Adams St (0.4 mi) (312) 332-1200 starwoodhotels.com Hostelling International Chicago 24 E Congress Pkwy (0.1 mi) (312) 360-0300 hichicago.org From chris.kelly at nyu.edu Sat Aug 30 13:42:14 2008 From: chris.kelly at nyu.edu (Christopher Kelly) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Who Publishes Short Plays? In-Reply-To: <48B73CA1.9020408@opus40.org> References: <731bb17a0808281624v5218db2cv537f01fe084da175@mail.gmail.com> <48B73CA1.9020408@opus40.org> Message-ID: Smith and Kraus, Broadway Play Publishing, Sun and Moon are publishers to investigate. ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Who Publishes Short Plays? To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > Sort of like the Royal Teens' classic question: Who Wears Short Shorts? > > There are a lot of regional and college theaters who do short play > festivals. but that's not quite what you're asking. > > Jeff Newberry wrote: > > A question to those in the know: besides Gay Brewer's /Poems & > Plays/, > > what literary magazine(s) (print or electronic) publish one-act plays? > > > > Jeff Newberry > > > > > > > > -- > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > -- > Tad Richards > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > The moral is this: in American verse, > The better you are, the pay is worse. > --Corey Ford > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 13:51:39 2008 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Who Publishes Short Plays? In-Reply-To: References: <731bb17a0808281624v5218db2cv537f01fe084da175@mail.gmail.com> <48B73CA1.9020408@opus40.org> Message-ID: <731bb17a0808301051m90250d7ub11aa1cd52fd648a@mail.gmail.com> Well, sure, of course, but I was thinking more along the lines of literary magazines. I only ask because I met a slough of playwrights at Sewanee this year, and I never thought to ask if any of them thought about writing the way that poets & fiction writers do--that is, do they "send things out?" Jeff Newberry On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Christopher Kelly wrote: > Smith and Kraus, Broadway Play Publishing, Sun and Moon are publishers to > investigate. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: TheOldMole > Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:03 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Who Publishes Short Plays? > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" < > new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu> > > > > Sort of like the Royal Teens' classic question: Who Wears Short Shorts? > > > > There are a lot of regional and college theaters who do short play > > festivals. but that's not quite what you're asking. > > > > Jeff Newberry wrote: > > > A question to those in the know: besides Gay Brewer's /Poems & > > Plays/, > > > what literary magazine(s) (print or electronic) publish one-act plays? > > > > > > Jeff Newberry > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > > Tad Richards > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > The moral is this: in American verse, > > The better you are, the pay is worse. > > --Corey Ford > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com Obama Myths: http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080830/c430d4bb/attachment.html From Opus40-01 at opus40.org Sat Aug 30 14:50:10 2008 From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Who Publishes Short Plays? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0808301051m90250d7ub11aa1cd52fd648a@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0808281624v5218db2cv537f01fe084da175@mail.gmail.com> <48B73CA1.9020408@opus40.org> <731bb17a0808301051m90250d7ub11aa1cd52fd648a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B99662.2090607@opus40.org> More likely they'd be sending them out to festivals. Jeff Newberry wrote: > Well, sure, of course, but I was thinking more along the lines of > literary magazines. > > I only ask because I met a slough of playwrights at Sewanee this year, > and I never thought to ask if any of them thought about writing the > way that poets & fiction writers do--that is, do they "send things out?" > > Jeff Newberry > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Christopher Kelly > > wrote: > > Smith and Kraus, Broadway Play Publishing, Sun and Moon are > publishers to investigate. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: TheOldMole > > Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:03 pm > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Who Publishes Short Plays? > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > > > > > Sort of like the Royal Teens' classic question: Who Wears Short > Shorts? > > > > There are a lot of regional and college theaters who do short play > > festivals. but that's not quite what you're asking. > > > > Jeff Newberry wrote: > > > A question to those in the know: besides Gay Brewer's /Poems & > > Plays/, > > > what literary magazine(s) (print or electronic) publish > one-act plays? > > > > > > Jeff Newberry > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > -- > > Tad Richards > > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ > > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ > > > > The moral is this: in American verse, > > The better you are, the pay is worse. > > --Corey Ford > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > -- > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > Obama Myths: http://www.matthew25.org/paf/index.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- Tad Richards http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/ http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ The moral is this: in American verse, The better you are, the pay is worse. --Corey Ford From amyhappens at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 17:49:21 2008 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:15:58 2009 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lots of poets filmed while reading their poems ... Message-ID: <654389.75798.qm@web83309.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Aug. 29th, The Stain of Poetry Reading Series Matvei Yankelevich reads Part #1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQCIdAfqBDs Part #2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcXwCOs2q2c ? Michael Ball reads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6D9qmktZCA ? Ryan Murphy reads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dUvQFAeNy0 ? Anna Moschovakis reads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ngq9zzt86g ? Valzhyna Mort reads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqKjF2RUn5E ? ? ~~~~ ? VIDEOS FROM THE FORMER MIPOESIAS READING SERIES Amy King, Curator ? ? Mendi Obadike reads http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2689831932866195687&ei=LA27SLLxEJSUrgL31YnwDA&q=mipoesias&emb=1 ? ? Evie Shockley reads http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7179533296441229330&ei=LA27SLLxEJSUrgL31YnwDA&q=mipoesias&emb=1 ? ? Tonya Foster reads http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4641226672996544465&ei=LA27SLLxEJSUrgL31YnwDA&q=mipoesias&emb=1 ? ? Tara Betts http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9128849204665301215&ei=LA27SLLxEJSUrgL31YnwDA&q=mipoesias&emb=1 ? ? Christopher Stackhouse reads http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1000016046685218294&ei=IhC7SIStLYqUrgKqtrTxDA&q=%22amy+king%22&emb=1 ? ? Nico Vassilakis and Geof Huth Performing Sound Poetry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVW_v2kzI4I ? ? Stacy Szymaszek reads http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6662593207462816216&ei=LA27SLLxEJSUrgL31YnwDA&q=mipoesias&emb=1 ? ? Ethan Paquin - Part 1 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1456707217726662375&hl=en ? Ethan Paquin - Part 2 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1036492947895327293&hl=en ? Ethan Paquin - Part 3 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1851525574263873552&hl=en ? ? Cate Peebles reads http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3143865017425555353&ei=vQ-7SNTvM5CYrAKxnuTqDA&q=mipoesias&emb=1 ? ? Nichole Steinberg reads http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7481605085786564996&ei=vQ-7SNTvM5CYrAKxnuTqDA&q=mipoesias&emb=1 ? ? Richard Peabody reads http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3012499496745222136&ei=vQ-7SNTvM5CYrAKxnuTqDA&q=mipoesias&emb=1 ? ? ~~~~ Not from the series (filmed by Amy tho) ? Franz Wright http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77GYrO2-3IE ? Enjoy! Amy and Ana _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20080831/d91a04a7/attachment.html