[New-Poetry] Aesthetic Diversity in Poetry Today

[Halvard Johnson]

You may not be an "old wine in new bottles" sort of guy,
Skip, but you sure are a long lines in narrow windows
critter.

Hal

". . . the old is too old and the new is too old."
                               --Gertrude Stein

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On Sep 5, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Skip Fox wrote:

> Christian Bok famously says, “Newness is value” as though its also  
> a central condition. He says this has been true since the early  
> 20th century modernists.
>
>
> I wonder.
>
>
> I believe it has value, but not only is newness not sufficient,  
> it’s not necessary to value, at least not in the way Bok and the  
> the movements in contemporary culture seem to maintain. I’m not an  
> “old wine in new bottles” sort (“We write the same poem over and  
> over”), but there are essentials that we can deeply respond to  
> regardless of the guise or the fashion of the moment. (The fashion  
> of the moment, by they way, is called by other moments a “period  
> style.”)
>
>
> Skip
>
>
> “Grace / to be born and live as variously as possible.”
>
> --Frank O’Hara
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry- 
> bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of jforjames at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:54 PM
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Aesthetic Diversity in Poetry Today
>
>
> But has the buzz died down to a dull hum now that New Formalism is  
> over 20 years old?
>
> And are there novitiates in great numbers?
>
>
> The other effect I observe is the doppler of "What's dat?"
>
> Things are over, have come & gone, before one is even half-aware of  
> them.
>
> One picks up the dying sound of their doppler as they are passing  
> into history.
>
> Finnegan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com
> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> Sent: Wed, Sep 5 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Aesthetic Diversity in Poetry Today
>
> In a message dated 9/5/2007 11:19:30 AM Central Daylight Time,  
> jforjames at aol.com writes:
>
>
> In this arena for aesthetic diversity, I notice that New Formalism  
> seems to be unrepresented in this forum. Is that movement 'So over'  
> already? Unless one counts rhymester Kay Ryan? But I don't really  
> think of her as strongly formal. Though I know
> she's been championed by Dana Gioia among others with formal leanings.
>
>
> We are still here, and we won't go away.
>
> Sam
>
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