[New-Poetry] Influential Poets, The Five

[JforJames at aol.com]

In a message dated 1/2/2007 2:57:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net writes:

How about Eddie Guest?  More people write his kind of doggerel than  write 
any other kind of poetry.
 
Eliot and Pound were mainly responsible for jump-cut poetry, and a lot of  
people do that.  And how do you measure Eliot, Pound and WIlliams's  influence 
on O'Hara?
 
Interesting that Ginsberg is overlooked.  He expanded the  vocabulary, which 
I consider important.
 
My bottom line is that it's too difficult a topic to answer.  To  treat 
properly, it seems to me one has to isolate kinds of influence, then  find out the 
real sources, and distinguish the different kinds  of influences manifesting 
themselves--for instance, in number of those  influenced, in size of cultural 
significance of the work of those influenced,  etc.
 
--Bob G.

 
Bob, I'm not getting too worked up over this because there is no  right 
answer 
in this little name game...

 
I'm thinking Wiman's is putting Ginsberg under the Whitman  influenced 
line...where he sort of fits, 
if you file down his more ecstatic and sexually graphic and  p
olitically-engaged rough edges. Certainly Ginsberg spoke a lot about  Whitman as a forerunner.
 
There should perhaps be true formalist on the list...like a Frost or a  
Wilbur. I don't know who Eddie 
G is, I'm afraid. But I think the you have assume Wiman's talking about  
influence on poets who are
writing at a little higher level than doggerel.
 
The jump cut may have been an influence of that ubiquitous, early  modernist 
poet named 
Cinema.
 
Finnegan 
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