From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Sat Dec  1 09:55:27 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:55:27 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem With Common Words
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I love it. Even more compressed and vivid than your first one. But what 
are all those unnecessary spaces between the groups of letters?

James Cervantes wrote:
> langpo version:
>
> world life
> day week year
> man woman part
> child problem case
> work place thing
> eye time hand point way
> person number group
> government company fact
>
> - Jim, again
>
> On 11/29/07, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:
>   
>>
>> POEM IN COMMON WORDS
>>
>>
>>
>> From the Oxford English Dictionary:
>>
>> The list of top 25 nouns: time, person, year, way, day, thing, man, world,
>> life, hand, part, child, eye, woman, place, work, week, case, point,
>> government, company, number, group, problem, fact.
>>
>>
>>
>> There comes a time in every person's life,
>>
>> When he or she must face a crossroad, joint
>>
>> Or several: a career, a husband, wife,
>>
>> Serving the Lord, if you He doth anoint,
>>
>> Or brigandage, the pistol and the knife,
>>
>> Or pure sloth. To take a case in point,
>>
>> Consider Olaf: we'll give him a voice,
>>
>> The Everyman who has to make a choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Consider Olaf: by vocation, plumber,
>>
>> When first encountered, chauvinist and jerk,
>>
>> He'd be the second lead in Dumb and Dumber.
>>
>> He figures, what's a job without a perk?
>>
>> --Takes several, but at last they've got his number,
>>
>> It's One too many. Now he's out of work.
>>
>> Perhaps, he tells himself, it's for the best.
>>
>> I'll take a year off, and I'll start a quest.
>>
>>
>>
>> What have I never tried? His first thought's group
>>
>> Sex, but it turns out that presents a problem.
>>
>> His abs and biceps long have flown the coop,
>>
>> He's left with a physique approaching blobdom.
>>
>> He sighs, and dips himself another scoop.
>>
>> Were he a master thief, perhaps he'd rob them,
>>
>> But chocolate marshmallow and licorice
>>
>> Leave him with none but Hershey for a kiss.
>>
>>
>>
>> His next solution is to overthrow
>>
>> The government ? he'll start his own conspiracy!
>>
>> He calls Pat Robertson to raise the dough ?
>>
>> It doesn't work. He's just accused of heresy.
>>
>> Maybe Bill Gates? No luck for our poor shmoe,
>>
>> He has to face a rap for software piracy.
>>
>> He's sentenced to a year and then a day,
>>
>> He knows there's got to be a better way.
>>
>>
>>
>> He vows his malefactions to atone.
>>
>> His sentence up, he's tossed out on his rump and he
>>
>> Bounces in the direction he's been thrown.
>>
>> Then, skidding to a stop, he hears a bump and he
>>
>> Swivels around to find he's not alone,
>>
>> In fact, our Olaf's got himself some company.
>>
>> A soft, warm hand is holding his, a human
>>
>> Touch, a sympathetic eye: in short, a woman.
>>
>>
>>
>> The thing is, Olaf's found that life's not part
>>
>> Of anything ? it is the world, the cosmos is
>>
>> Enfolded in the place we call the heart.
>>
>> A home, a child ? we find it by osmosis,
>>
>> Not once a week, but every day ? we start
>>
>> And end with just this thought; it's more than gnosis,
>>
>> It's Zen, it's karma, everything we're hot for,
>>
>> Our Olaf has become a bodhisattva.
>>
>>   --
>> Tad Richards
>> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
>> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>>
>> The moral is this: in American verse,
>> The better you are, the pay is worse.
>>  --Corey Ford
>>
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>
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The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
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From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com  Sat Dec  1 12:22:47 2007
From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:22:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] foley=zukofsky=bernstein
Message-ID: <60790.74.66.76.232.1196529767.squirrel@webmail.web.com>

.

http://www.poetrybay.com/fall2007/foley1.html

Jack Foley has a review of the new LOUIS ZUKOFSKY: SELECTED POEMS, EDITED
BY CHARLES BERNSTEIN

LOUIS ZUKOFSKY: A POET WORTH FIGHTING FOR

A REVIEW OF LOUIS ZUKOFSKY: SELECTED POEMS,
EDITED BY CHARLES BERNSTEIN (THE LIBRARY OF AMERICA AMERICAN POETS PROJECT)

?Louis Zukofsky?s work has been edited and selected for the Library of
America?s American Poetry Project by prominent L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poet
Charles Bernstein, and he has done a superb job.?It is no easy task to
deal with a writer as enigmatic, even chameleonic as Louis
Zukofsky.?Zukofsky?s poetry alone ranges from something like light verse
to an immensely complex, dense medium.?It operates in both formal modes
and free verse.
?In his introduction to the Selected Poems Charles Bernstein remarks on
?the intricate patterning of sound that everywhere pervades [Zukofsky?s]
work,? on ?the microtonal shifting of vowels,? and goes on to write of
?the syntactic rotation of the same words shifting to different parts of
speech.??
?Louis Zukofsky: Selected Poems is an absolutely necessary book for anyone
seeking to understand twentieth-century American poetry.?Zukofsky is a
master, but he is definitely a formidable master.?Charles Bernstein?s
selection guides us through both accessible and "difficult" aspects of
Zukofsky and does it in a way that constantly sheds light on the work as a
whole.?Bernstein?s introduction is also excellent: well-written and, in
general, compelling.?

http://www.poetrybay.com/fall2007/foley1.html

posted by gregory vincent st. thomasino

http://eratio.blogspot.com/

e?




From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec  1 14:22:58 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:22:58 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] 60 second lecture, Charles Berstein
Message-ID: <cac.2130c81a.34830e92@aol.com>

_http://www.upenn.edu/video/pvp/archive_60_Second_Lectures.html_ 
(http://www.upenn.edu/video/pvp/archive_60_Second_Lectures.html) 
 
April 21, 2004
Charles Bernstein, professor of English, answers the  question: "What Makes a 
Poem a Poem?" 
(0:01:23) 
 
--
Many of these are fun, but I recommend this one...
 
September 28
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From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec  1 14:37:55 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:37:55 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem With Common Words
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There are some poetry contests that limit submission to under 40 lines or  
some other arbitrary constraint in terms of length, but someone should organize  
a poetry contest arourd using a random set of words. Could be fun. 
What happened to Olaf? I was starting to get into his head.
Finnegan
 
 message dated 11/30/2007 9:03:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
cervantes.james at gmail.com writes:

langpo  version:

world life
day week year
man woman part
child problem  case
work place thing
eye time hand point way
person number  group
government company fact


 



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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Dec  1 15:12:36 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:12:36 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] 60 second lecture, Charles Berstein
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April 12
Martha Farah, Bob and Arlene Kogod Term Professor in Psychology
"The Human Brain 2.0"
(0:04:06)
she's quite nice, :-)
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  http://www.upenn.edu/video/pvp/archive_60_Second_Lectures.html

  April 21, 2004
  Charles Bernstein, professor of English, answers the question: "What Makes a Poem a Poem?" 
  (0:01:23) 

  --
  Many of these are fun, but I recommend this one...

  September 28
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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Sat Dec  1 16:22:13 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:22:13 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem With Common Words
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He finally sold out and kissed the f.ing flag.

JforJames at aol.com wrote:
> There are some poetry contests that limit submission to under 40 lines 
> or some other arbitrary constraint in terms of length, but someone 
> should organize a poetry contest arourd using a random set of 
> words. Could be fun.
> What happened to Olaf? I was starting to get into his head.
> Finnegan
>  
>  message dated 11/30/2007 9:03:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> cervantes.james at gmail.com writes:
>
>     langpo version:
>
>     world life
>     day week year
>     man woman part
>     child problem case
>     work place thing
>     eye time hand point way
>     person number group
>     government company fact
>
>  
>
>
>
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http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Sat Dec  1 16:23:11 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:23:11 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem With Common Words
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So let's do it. Give a set of words, and see what we can come up with.

JforJames at aol.com wrote:
> There are some poetry contests that limit submission to under 40 lines 
> or some other arbitrary constraint in terms of length, but someone 
> should organize a poetry contest arourd using a random set of 
> words. Could be fun.
> What happened to Olaf? I was starting to get into his head.
> Finnegan
>  
>  message dated 11/30/2007 9:03:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> cervantes.james at gmail.com writes:
>
>     langpo version:
>
>     world life
>     day week year
>     man woman part
>     child problem case
>     work place thing
>     eye time hand point way
>     person number group
>     government company fact
>
>  
>
>
>
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http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Sat Dec  1 16:28:27 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:28:27 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] 60 second lecture, Charles Berstein
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Message-ID: <4751D1FB.9090103@opus40.org>

Good punch line on Bernstein's. Better than that jazz and blues guy.

JforJames at aol.com wrote:
> http://www.upenn.edu/video/pvp/archive_60_Second_Lectures.html
>  
> April 21, 2004
> Charles Bernstein, professor of English, answers the question: "What 
> Makes a Poem a Poem?"
> (0:01:23)
>  
> --
> Many of these are fun, but I recommend this one...
>  
> September 28
> Vijay Balasubramanian, Merriam Term Assistant Professor of Physics
> "The Knowable Universe"
> (0:01:44)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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-- 
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http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec  1 16:51:32 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:51:32 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] 60 seconds of Charles Bernstein
Message-ID: <cbf.1988faaa.34833164@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/1/2007 4:28:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
Opus40-01 at opus40.org writes:

Good  punch line on Bernstein's. Better than that jazz and blues  guy


Yes, I thought it was well executed performance piece. Interesting, since  we 
were kicking around language poetry, I often observed how much of  the 
'prosody' of language poetry involves the negative: Poetry  that is asyntatic, 
non-narrative, non-linear or discontinuos, lacking  closure, etc. True to form, his 
performance poem manifesto is completely  phrased in the negative except for 
the last line, which seems to  invoke the great Borscht Belt comics' mantra of 
'a joke is all in the  timing'. 
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From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec  1 16:41:48 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:41:48 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem With Common Words
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Of course the sestina is poetic form based on an initial six word set.  
Formalists on this list,
are there other forms build around the use of certain word set?
_http://www.public.asu.edu/~aarios/formsofverse/reports2000/page9.html_ 
(http://www.public.asu.edu/~aarios/formsofverse/reports2000/page9.html) 
 
Speaking of form, I ran across Lewis Turco's blog the other day.
_http://lewisturco.typepad.com/poetics/_ 
(http://lewisturco.typepad.com/poetics/) 
 
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Dec  1 17:47:10 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:47:10 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] 60 seconds of Charles Bernstein
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I agree with the timing, agree with the idea, agree with so many things, but then, I find this performance quite cold and detached, dunno.. I had already seen it somewhere before.
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  Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 10:51 PM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] 60 seconds of Charles Bernstein


  In a message dated 12/1/2007 4:28:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Opus40-01 at opus40.org writes:
    Good punch line on Bernstein's. Better than that jazz and blues guy
  Yes, I thought it was well executed performance piece. Interesting, since we were kicking around language poetry, I often observed how much of the 'prosody' of language poetry involves the negative: Poetry that is asyntatic, non-narrative, non-linear or discontinuos, lacking closure, etc. True to form, his performance poem manifesto is completely phrased in the negative except for the last line, which seems to invoke the great Borscht Belt comics' mantra of 'a joke is all in the timing'. 
  Finnegan





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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Sat Dec  1 18:06:55 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:06:55 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem With Common Words
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I check in Turco's blog from time to time.

I don't suppose the ghazal would count. That's a certain word, not a 
word set.

Lew Turco was just ahead of me at Iowa, and gone before I got there. I 
was considered the most atrocious, inveterate punster of my generation, 
and Lew of the generation before. Every time I would get started on some 
really bad ones, someone would say, "You should have heard Lew Turco." 
And my reputation apparently reached him, too. When we finally met (in 
Chicago, at an MLA) it was like two gunslingers walking down main street.

JforJames at aol.com wrote:
> Of course the sestina is poetic form based on an initial six word set. 
> Formalists on this list,
> are there other forms build around the use of certain word set?
> http://www.public.asu.edu/~aarios/formsofverse/reports2000/page9.html 
> <http://www.public.asu.edu/%7Eaarios/formsofverse/reports2000/page9.html>
>  
> Speaking of form, I ran across Lewis Turco's blog the other day.
> http://lewisturco.typepad.com/poetics/
>  
> Finnegan
>
>
>
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The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From grahamd at ripon.edu  Sat Dec  1 18:10:07 2007
From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:10:07 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] 60 seconds of Charles Bernstein
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I agree.  Great concept, but really a very lackluster performance of  
a fairly bland piece, and no particularly good timing on display.

You know who's got truly fine timing as a poetry reader?  Billy  
Collins.  You may love or hate his poems, but he performs them with  
masterful comic timing.


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On Dec 1, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote:

> I agree with the timing, agree with the idea, agree with so many  
> things, but then, I find this performance quite cold and detached,  
> dunno.. I had already seen it somewhere before.

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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Dec  1 18:18:04 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 00:18:04 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] 60 seconds of Charles Bernstein
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Collins is something. I remember a great reading/show on kqed, he is incredible...
  From: David Graham 
  Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 12:10 AM


  I agree.  Great concept, but really a very lackluster performance of a fairly bland piece, and no particularly good timing on display.  


  You know who's got truly fine timing as a poetry reader?  Billy Collins.  You may love or hate his poems, but he performs them with masterful comic timing.  





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From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:47:59 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] 60 seconds of Charles Bernstein
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We are in an age where, for good or otherwise -- I think it's good -- 
many poets -- Collins is one, Dunn, Kinnell a couple of others -- put on 
one hell of a good show. You could recommend them as entertainment to 
non-po-biz folkses.

David Graham wrote:
> I agree.  Great concept, but really a very lackluster performance of a 
> fairly bland piece, and no particularly good timing on display.  
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> You know who's got truly fine timing as a poetry reader?  Billy 
> Collins.  You may love or hate his poems, but he performs them with 
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>> I agree with the timing, agree with the idea, agree with so many 
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From halvard at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  1 19:25:45 2007
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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:25:45 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem With Uncommon Words (after Cervantes's langpo
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megacosm ?lan
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oeuvre lieu entity
orb occasion manus vertex fashion
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>    world life
>    day week year
>    man woman part
>    child problem case
>    work place thing
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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 07:49:43 2007
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 05:49:43 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem With Uncommon Words (after Cervantes's langpo
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Positively ergognomic.

- Jim

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From dkraniotis at yahoo.gr  Sun Dec  2 09:18:37 2007
From: dkraniotis at yahoo.gr (=?iso-8859-7?q?=C4=E7=EC=DE=F4=F1=E7=F2=20=CA=F1=E1=ED=E9=FE=F4=E7=F2?=)
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Subject: [New-Poetry] Dimitris P. Kraniotis
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Dr. Dimitris P. Kraniotis, M.D., Litt. D.
Medical Doctor and Poet 
President of the World Poets Society (W.P.S.)
2, Panagoulis str.
41222 Larissa
Greece
http://www.dimitriskraniotis.com/
   
   
  Poems by Dimitris P. Kraniotis:
   
       Fictitious line
   
  Smokes
  of cigarettes
  and mugs
  full of coffee,
  next
  to the fictitious line
  where the eddy
  of words
  leans against
  and nods,
  wounded,
    to my silence.

   
   
  Ideals
   
  Snow-covered mountains,
  ancient monuments,
    a north wind that nods to us,

  a thought that flows,
  images imbued
  with hymns of history,
  words on signs
  with ideals of geometry.
   
   
  Illusions  
   
  Noiseless wrinkles
  on our forehead
  the frontiers of history,
  shed oblique glances
  at Homer's verses.
  Illusions
  full of guilt
  redeem
  wounded whispers
  that became echoes
  in lighted caves
  of the fools and the innocent.
   
   
  The end  
   
  The savour of fruits
  still remains
  in my mouth,
  but the bitterness of words
  demolishes the clouds
  and wrings the snow
  counting the pebbles.
  But you never told me
  why you deceived me,
  why with pain
  and injustice did you desire
  to say that the end
  always in tears
  is cast to flames.
   
   
  Rules and visions  
   
  Life counts
  the rules;
  the sunset, their exceptions.
  Rain drinks up
  the centuries;
  spring, our dreams.
  The eagle sees
  the sunrays
  and youth, the visions.
   
   
  Denials
   
  A roar of cars
  seals the dawn
  with short-cut answers,
  with unyielding denials
  that are repeated
  explicity
  every sunset.
   
   
  One-word garments
   
  Waves of circumflexes,
  storms of adverbs,
  windmills of verbs,
  shells of signs of ellipsis,
  on the island of poems
  of soul,
  of mind,
  of thought,
  one-word garments
  you wear
  to endure!
   
   
  Maybe
   
  The cloud struggled
    against the sand

  underneath the rain
  of "no" and "yes",
    forcefully treading

  on the rationale
  that obeys
  the impasse of "maybe".
   
   
  What I ask
   
  A ball of threads
  my prayers
  whisper
  frightened.
  Foolish "I''s
  are choked
  without you ever
  knowing
  what I ask. 
   
   
  The "don'ts" and "zeros" 
   
  The night
  that strangled
  the endless moments
  I had wished
  to live,
  passed by
  without my lighting up
  the candle
  I had longed
  to warm up
  all the "don'ts" and "zeros".
   
   
  Ashes
   
  The fireplace
  was eager
  to put a fullstop,
  in the sentence
  where the road
  of my dreams
  stuck
  upon the word of happiness
  with sparkles
  of wet logs
  I collected
  from the inside of me
  that I dared
  to turn to ashes.
   
   
  Limits
   
  Fragments of glasses
  in the empty room
  of the inarticulate whispers,
  bleed
  our limits,
  fill
  with sores
  the caress of our soul.
   
   
  They called her crazy
   
  She loved
  the flowers, the trees.
  She kissed
  the poppies, the lilies.
  She played
  with animals, like a child.
  She adored
  the humans, the birds.
  She would sacrifice herself
  for the life and love.
  They called her crazy!
  But why?
   
    
  To the dead poet of obscurity   
  (In honor of the dead unpublished poet)
   
  Well done!
  You have won!
  You should not feel sorry.
  Your unpublished poems
  -always remember-
  have not been buried,
    haven&#8217;t bent

  under the strength of time.
  Like gold
    inside the soil

  they remain,
  they never melt.
  They may be late
  but they will be given
  to their people
  someday,
  to offer their sweet,
  eternal essence.
   
   
  To you I speak
   
  To you I speak,
  do not show indifference.
  This moment
  to me
  is mighty.
  I am happy.
  These words I uttered
  and all were sad.
  They left,
  heads down.
    
   
  Victory
   
  Short 
  is the life of victory.
  Stuck
  on the mud of the mistakes,
  on the mud of the tarmac.
   
    
   
  Biography:


    Biography:

Dimitris P. Kraniotis is an award-winning Greek poet. He was born in 15 July 1966 in Stomio, a coastal town in central Greece . He studied at the Medical School in Thessaloniki . He lives and works as a Medical Doctor (Physician) Internal Medicine Specialist (Internist) in Larissa , Greece . 

He is Founder and President of the World Poets Society (W.P.S.), Ambassador of the "Poets of the World" (Poetas del Mundo) to Greece, Editor and Director of the online poetic libraries "Greek Poet", "International Poet" and "Hellenic Words", Editorial Director of the Greek medical magazine "Hippocrates", President of the Economic and Social Council of the Prefecture of Larissa, Treasurer of the Board of Directors of the Larissa Medical Association "Hippocrates", Member of the Board of Directors of the Cultural Organization of the Larissa Prefecture (Responsible for Literature), Member of the Editorial Board of the Greek literary magazine "Graphi" and Member of the Board of Directors of the Larissa Medical Society. 

He is Doctor of Literature (Litt. D.) by the World Academy of Arts and Culture (under the auspices of UNESCO), Poetry Ambassador (by the National Poetry Month Committee, USA) and Love Ambassador (by the Love Foundation, USA). 

Also he is member of several organizations including the Hellenic Literary Society (EEL), International Society of Greek Writers (DEEL), Larissa Writers and Poets Society (former Vice-President and President), Hellenic Society of Writing Physicians (EEIL), World Academy of Arts and Culture (WAAC), World Congress of Poets (WCP), United Poets Laureate International (UPLI), International Writers and Artists Association (IWA), World Union of Writing Physicians (Union Mondiale des Ecrivains Medecins, UMEM), Academy of American Poets, International Society of Poets (ISP), Poetry Society of America (PSA), Poets of the World (Poetas del Mundo, Chile) and Bilingual Poets and Writers for Peace (Argentina). 

Four of his poetic collections have been published: "Traces" (poems in Greek), Larissa, Greece 1985, "Clay Faces" (poems in Greek), Larissa, Greece, 1992 , "Fictitious Line" (poems in Greek and translated into English and French), Larissa, Greece 2005 and "Dunes" (selected poems translated into French and Romanian), Bucharest, Romania 2007. 

His poems have been translated into English, French, Romanian, Bulgarian, Serbian (Serbo-Croatian), Dutch and Portuguese. Central theme in his poetry is contemporary man, his impasse, his worries, his fears, his hopes and dreams. 

He has won a number of international literary awards for his poetry (in Greece, USA, UK , France and India), which has been published (in books, anthologies, newspapers and magazines) in many countries around the World (USA, UK, Romania, India, Algeria, Bulgaria, China, Italy, Korea, Germany, Mongolia, Brazil, France, Australia, Canada, Serbia, Belgium, Turkey, Argentina, Nepal, South Africa, El Salvador, United Arabic Emirates, Nigeria & Egypt). He is featured in several encyclopedias (the free encyclopedia "Wikipedia" in 35 languages, the Greek encyclopedia "Live Pedia", the "Big Encyclopedia of New Greek Literature of Haris Patsis" and the "Who is Who in Greece ").
  

  
Awards and Honors: 
  
In Year 2003:
1.Silver Medal in Section "Letters" and 2nd Poetry Prize for 2003 for his poetry book "Clay Faces" by the "International Academy of Lutece" presented in 2004 in Paris (France), 

In Year 2004:
2. Gold-Vermeil Medal in Section "Letters" and 1st Poetry Prize for 2004 for his poetry book "Traces" by the "International Academy of Lutece" presented in 2005 in Paris (France), 

In Year 2005:
3. Nominee "Poet Of The Year 2005" by the International Society of Poets (USA),
4. "International Poet of Merit Award" for 2005, Silver Award Bowl and Medallion by the International Society of Poets in Washington DC (USA),
5. Included with his poem "Ideals" in "Poem for Peace" by the International Library of Poetry, (U.S.A.),
6. "Editor's Choice Award" by the International Library of Poetry for his poem "Ideals" (USA),
7. Honorary Gold-Silver Plaquette by the Perfect of Larissa (Greece),
8. "Special Award in Poetry for the Year 2005" for his poetry book "Fictitious Line" in "1st Poetry Festival of Thessaloniki" (Greece),
9. November 2005, "Person of the Month" by the magazine "Kappa Style" of the newspaper "Imerisios Kirikas", Larissa (Greece),
10. Honorary Gold-Silver Plaquette by the Larissa Medical Association "Hippocrates" (Greece),
11. "Editor's Choice Published Poet Award" for 2005 by the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.), 
12. "Poet of the Month" for 5 months by the online magazine "Art Arena" (UK),
13.Gold Medal" and "2nd International Prize in Literature for the year 2005" by the International Society of Greek Writers for his poetrybook "Fictitious Line" (Greece), 
14. "International Professional of the Year 2005" and Medal by the International Biographical Centre of Cambridge (UK), 
15. Gold-Vermeil Medal in Section "Letters" and 1st Poetry Prize for 2005 for his poetry book "Fictitious Line" by the "International Academy of Lutece" presented in 2006 in Paris (France), 

In Year 2006:
16. "Golden Pen Award" Winner by the online magazine "Art Arena" (UK),
17. "Special Commendation" Winner in "4th International Poetry Competition" by the online magazine "First Writer" for his poem "Fictitious line" (U.S.A.),
18. Included in "The Best Poems and Poets of 2005" with his poem "Illusions" by the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.),
19. Included in "2000 Outstanding Intellectuals of the 21st Century" and Medal by the International Biographical Centre of Cambridge (UK),
20. Included in "Great Minds of the 21st Century" and Medal by the American Biographical Institute (U.S.A.), 21. "The Marie Curie Award" for 2006 and Medal by the International Biographical Centre of Cambridge (UK),
22. Nominee "Best Poem of the Year 2005" his poems "Ideals", "Illusions" and "The end" (the only one poet outside USA of 13 poets on the nomination short list) in "2nd Muses Prize - Poetry" (U.S.A.) 
23. Nominee "Best Tragic Poem of the Year 2005" (one of the four poems on the nomination short list) his poem "The End" in "2nd Muses Prize - Poetry" (U.S.A.),
24. "Gold Medal" and "1st Prize in Poetry" by the International Society of Greek Writers in the "25th Celebration of Poets", in Athens (Greece),
25. "Best Poetry Book of the Year 2005" for his poetry book "Fictitious Line" by the Greek Literary Association "Xasteron" and the literary magazine "Kelaino" in Athens (Greece),
26. April 2006, "Author of the Week" by the online magazine "Muses Review" (U.S.A.),
27. Included in "Great Lives of the 21st Century" and Medal by the International Biographical Centre of Cambridge (UK),
28. "Universal Award of Accomplishment" for 2006 by the American Biographical Institute (U.S.A.),
29. "Poetry Prize" by the International Society of Greek Writers in "1st International Festival of Literature and Art", in Athens (Greece),
30. "Special Commendation" Winner in "6th Greek Literary Competition" by the Keratsini Society of Arts, Science and Culture, in Athens (Greece),
31. Nominee "Poet of the Year 2006" by the International Society of Poets (U.S.A.),
32. June 2006, "Poet of the Month" by the online magazine "Muses Review" (U.S.A.),
33. Included in "500 Greatest Geniuses of the 21st Century" and Medal by the American Biographical Institute (U.S.A.),
34. "International Poet of Merit Award" for 2006, Special Crystal Award and Medallion by the International Society of Poets in Las Vegas (U.S.A.),
35. Honorary Silver Plaquette (like open book) by the Mayor of Evrymenes (Greece),
36. Honorary Gold- Silver Plaquette (platter) by the Cultural Association of Stomio (Greece),
37. July 2006, "Best Poetry of the Month" for his poem "Illusions" by the Bilingual MCA Poets and Writers for Peace (Argentina),
38. August 2006, "Poet of the Month" and Nominee "Poet of the Year 2006" by the online magazine "Poetry in a Cup" (U.S.A.),
39. "Man of the Year 2006" and Medal by the American Biographical Institute (U.S.A.),
40. "Muses Prize-Poetry" Winner: "Best Multilingual Poetry Book of Year 2005" for his poetry book "Fictitious Line" in Greek, English and French by Muses Academy of Arts (U.S.A.),
41. December 2006, "Poet of the Week" by the online magazine "Boloji" (India),
42. "Best Poetry book of the Year 2006" for his book "Fictitious Line" by the Greek Cultural Association "The Cafe of Ideas" and the "Greek Club UNESCO of Piraeus and Islands" in "22nd Panhellenic and 2nd International Symposium of Poetry and Literature" in Salamina Island (Greece),
43. "1st Prize in Poetry" in 22nd Greek Literary Competition "Sikeliana" by the Greek Cultural Association "The Cafe of Ideas" and the "Greek Club UNESCO of Piraeus and Islands" in "22nd Panhellenic and 2nd International Symposium of Poetry and Literature" in Salamina Island (Greece),
44. "Editor's Choice Published Poet Award" for 2006 and Medallion "Editor's Choice Poet Scholar" by the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.), 

In Year 2007:
45. "Gold Medal" and "1st Prize in Poetry" by the International Society of Greek Writers in the "26th Celebration of Poets", in Athens (Greece),
46. Nominee "Poet of the Year 2007" by the International Society of Poets (U.S.A.),
47. "Man of the Year 2007" and Medal by the American Biographical Institute (U.S.A.),
48. "2006 Who&#8217;s Who Golden Poet Award Medallion" by the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.),
49. "2007 Poetry Ambassador" and Medal by the National Poetry Month Committee of the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.), 
50. "Love Ambassador" by The Love Foundation Inc. (U.S.A.), 
51. May 2007, Winner of the "Poets Choice Contest " (Monthly Most Votes) for his poem "Fictitious Line" by the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.),
52. "President's Medal for Excellence in Poetry" and Certificate of Merit by the President of the United Poets Laureate International (UPLI) in the 20th World Congress of Poets in Montgomery, Alabama (U.S.A.), 
53. Honorable Mention for his poem "To the Dead Poet of Obscurity" by the United Poets Laureate International (UPLI) in UPLI Poetry Contest of the 20th World Congress of Poets in Montgomery, Alabama (U.S.A.), 
54. Ellected President of the 22th World Congress of Poets (for the first time in Greece in 2011) by the United Poets Laureate International (UPLI) in the 20th World Congress of Poets in Montgomery, Alabama (U.S.A.),
55. Nominee for "The Balkan Grand Prize for Poetry" of theYear 2007 (one of two nominations) by the International Academy Orient-Occident in the 11th International Festival "Curtea de Arges Poetry Nights" in Bucharest and Curtea de Arges (Romania), 
56. "International Poet of Merit Award" for 2007, Special Crystal Award and Medallion by the International Society of Poets in Las Vegas (U.S.A.),
57. "Doctor of Literature" (Litt. D), Honorary Degree by the World Academy of Arts & Culture (WAAC) in the XXVII World Congress of Poets in Chennai (India),
58. "President's Medal for Poetic Excellence", Gold Medallion and Certificate of Merit by the President of the World Academy of Arts & Culture (WAAC) presented by the Governor of Tamil Nadu in the XXVII World Congress of Poets in Chennai (India),
59. "Ambassador of the Poets of the World" to Greece by the Movement "Poetas del Mundo" (Chile),
60. Honorary Gold Plaquette by the Larissa Writers and Poets Society (E.LO.SY.L.) in Greece.
 
  

  

    
         
    Websites of Dimitris P. Kraniotis:
   
  The Official Website of the Greek Poet: http://www.dimitriskraniotis.com/
  World Poets Society (W.P.S.): http://world-poets.blogspot.com/
  World Poet:
  http://www.geocities.com/wps_society/
  International Poet : http://international-poet.blogspot.com 
  Greek Poet: http://greek-poet.blogspot.com 
  Hellenic Words: http://hellenic-words.blogspot.com/
  Dunes (the blog): http://dkraniotis.blogspot.com/
  Homepage of the Greek poet: http://www.geocities.com/dkraniotis/
   
      

   Other Links: 

  http://wps-poets.blogspot.com/2007/05/dimitris-p-kraniotis.html
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitris_P._Kraniotis
  http://www.famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/dimitris_p__kraniotis
  http://www.arabesquespress.org/journal/contributors/dimitris_p_kraniotis.html
  http://othervoicespoetry.org/vol20/kraniotis/index.html
  http://www.art-arena.com/dpkraniotis.htm
  http://poetryinacup.org/dimitriskraniotis/
  http://www.boloji.com/writers/dimitris.htm
  http://users.skynet.be/spier/argoboatdimitris.htm
  http://www.redescritoresespa.com/D/dimitriskraniotis.htm
  http://www.hetprieeltje.net/oogvanderoos/dimitriskraniotis.html
  http://balkanwriters.com/broj12/dimitrispkraniotis12.htm
  http://tpqonline.org/ashes.html
  http://www.theversemarauder.com/16june2007.html
  http://www.asouthernjournal.com/Ezine/2007v17kraniotis.htm
  http://www.ilrmagazine.net/poetry/issue7_po8.php
  http://penhimalaya.netfirms.com/dimitrisppoetry15.htm
  http://www.lyrikwelt.de/autoren/kraniotis.htm
  http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/spring_2006/greece/dimitris_kraniotis.html
  http://www.zeitschrift.co.uk/v1n2poetry.html
  http://www.lightmillennium.org/2006_18th/dpkraniotis_poems.html
  http://www.completeclassics.com/p/t/poet.asp?poet=92456
  http://www.musesreview.org/interviewdimitriskraniotis.html
  http://www.kritya.in/0201/En/poetry_at_our_time7.html
  http://www.thanalonline.com/Issues/03/poems_en_9.htm
  http://www.interpoetry.com/dimitriskraniotis11.html
  http://scars.tv/cgi-bin/works_e.pl?/home/users/web/b929/us.scars/perl/text-writings/g876.txt
  http://membres.lycos.fr/crcrosnier/mur6/umem6/kraniotisd6.htm
  http://www.privatephotoreview.com/en/news/text.php?scritt=303
  http://poesie.webnet.fr/vospoemes/2584/liste.html
  http://www.writesight.com/writers/dkraniotis/
  http://www.poemsabout.com/poet/dimitris-p-kraniotis/
  http://www.musesreview.org/dimitriskraniotis.html
  http://modernpoetonline.freehostia.com/archives.html
  http://www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=1895
  http://www.thewritingcentre.com/?author=571
  http://www.lovethepoem.com/poets/dimitris-p-kraniotis/
  http://www.bilingualmca.bravehost.com/dimitris.html
  http://www.synapse.net/kgerken/Y-0608.HTM
  http://www.poetscornerpress.com/ZamBomba.html#Poems_
  http://www.poetseers.org/Members/Dimitris-20P.-20Kraniotis
  http://writeclique.net/profile.php?ID=775
  http://www.writers.net/writers/56544

  Contact:
   
  Address:
Dimitris P. Kraniotis
2,Panagoulis str.
41222 Larissa
Greece
   
  e-mail:
dkraniotis at yahoo.gr 
  dimitriskraniotis at gmail.com
    
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From dkraniotis at yahoo.gr  Sun Dec  2 09:32:17 2007
From: dkraniotis at yahoo.gr (=?iso-8859-7?q?=C4=E7=EC=DE=F4=F1=E7=F2=20=CA=F1=E1=ED=E9=FE=F4=E7=F2?=)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:32:17 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Dimitris P. Kraniotis, Greek poet
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Dr. Dimitris P. Kraniotis, M.D., Litt. D.
Medical Doctor and Poet 
President of the World Poets Society (W.P.S.)
2, Panagoulis str.
41222 Larissa
Greece
http://www.dimitriskraniotis.com/
   
   
  Poems by Dimitris P. Kraniotis:
   
       Fictitious line
   
  Smokes
  of cigarettes
  and mugs
  full of coffee,
  next
  to the fictitious line
  where the eddy
  of words
  leans against
  and nods,
  wounded,
    to my silence.

   
   
  Ideals
   
  Snow-covered mountains,
  ancient monuments,
    a north wind that nods to us,

  a thought that flows,
  images imbued
  with hymns of history,
  words on signs
  with ideals of geometry.
   
   
  Illusions  
   
  Noiseless wrinkles
  on our forehead
  the frontiers of history,
  shed oblique glances
  at Homer's verses.
  Illusions
  full of guilt
  redeem
  wounded whispers
  that became echoes
  in lighted caves
  of the fools and the innocent.
   
   
  The end  
   
  The savour of fruits
  still remains
  in my mouth,
  but the bitterness of words
  demolishes the clouds
  and wrings the snow
  counting the pebbles.
  But you never told me
  why you deceived me,
  why with pain
  and injustice did you desire
  to say that the end
  always in tears
  is cast to flames.
   
   
  Rules and visions  
   
  Life counts
  the rules;
  the sunset, their exceptions.
  Rain drinks up
  the centuries;
  spring, our dreams.
  The eagle sees
  the sunrays
  and youth, the visions.
   
   
  Denials
   
  A roar of cars
  seals the dawn
  with short-cut answers,
  with unyielding denials
  that are repeated
  explicity
  every sunset.
   
   
  One-word garments
   
  Waves of circumflexes,
  storms of adverbs,
  windmills of verbs,
  shells of signs of ellipsis,
  on the island of poems
  of soul,
  of mind,
  of thought,
  one-word garments
  you wear
  to endure!
   
   
  Maybe
   
  The cloud struggled
    against the sand

  underneath the rain
  of "no" and "yes",
    forcefully treading

  on the rationale
  that obeys
  the impasse of "maybe".
   
   
  What I ask
   
  A ball of threads
  my prayers
  whisper
  frightened.
  Foolish "I''s
  are choked
  without you ever
  knowing
  what I ask. 
   
   
  The "don'ts" and "zeros" 
   
  The night
  that strangled
  the endless moments
  I had wished
  to live,
  passed by
  without my lighting up
  the candle
  I had longed
  to warm up
  all the "don'ts" and "zeros".
   
   
  Ashes
   
  The fireplace
  was eager
  to put a fullstop,
  in the sentence
  where the road
  of my dreams
  stuck
  upon the word of happiness
  with sparkles
  of wet logs
  I collected
  from the inside of me
  that I dared
  to turn to ashes.
   
   
  Limits
   
  Fragments of glasses
  in the empty room
  of the inarticulate whispers,
  bleed
  our limits,
  fill
  with sores
  the caress of our soul.
   
   
  They called her crazy
   
  She loved
  the flowers, the trees.
  She kissed
  the poppies, the lilies.
  She played
  with animals, like a child.
  She adored
  the humans, the birds.
  She would sacrifice herself
  for the life and love.
  They called her crazy!
  But why?
   
    
  To the dead poet of obscurity   
  (In honor of the dead unpublished poet)
   
  Well done!
  You have won!
  You should not feel sorry.
  Your unpublished poems
  -always remember-
  have not been buried,
    haven&#8217;t bent

  under the strength of time.
  Like gold
    inside the soil

  they remain,
  they never melt.
  They may be late
  but they will be given
  to their people
  someday,
  to offer their sweet,
  eternal essence.
   
   
  To you I speak
   
  To you I speak,
  do not show indifference.
  This moment
  to me
  is mighty.
  I am happy.
  These words I uttered
  and all were sad.
  They left,
  heads down.
    
   
  Victory
   
  Short 
  is the life of victory.
  Stuck
  on the mud of the mistakes,
  on the mud of the tarmac.
   
    
   
  Biography:


    Biography:

Dimitris P. Kraniotis is an award-winning Greek poet. He was born in 15 July 1966 in Stomio, a coastal town in central Greece . He studied at the Medical School in Thessaloniki . He lives and works as a Medical Doctor (Physician) Internal Medicine Specialist (Internist) in Larissa , Greece . 

He is Founder and President of the World Poets Society (W.P.S.), Ambassador of the "Poets of the World" (Poetas del Mundo) to Greece, Editor and Director of the online poetic libraries "Greek Poet", "International Poet" and "Hellenic Words", Editorial Director of the Greek medical magazine "Hippocrates", President of the Economic and Social Council of the Prefecture of Larissa, Treasurer of the Board of Directors of the Larissa Medical Association "Hippocrates", Member of the Board of Directors of the Cultural Organization of the Larissa Prefecture (Responsible for Literature), Member of the Editorial Board of the Greek literary magazine "Graphi" and Member of the Board of Directors of the Larissa Medical Society. 

He is Doctor of Literature (Litt. D.) by the World Academy of Arts and Culture (under the auspices of UNESCO), Poetry Ambassador (by the National Poetry Month Committee, USA) and Love Ambassador (by the Love Foundation, USA). 

Also he is member of several organizations including the Hellenic Literary Society (EEL), International Society of Greek Writers (DEEL), Larissa Writers and Poets Society (former Vice-President and President), Hellenic Society of Writing Physicians (EEIL), World Academy of Arts and Culture (WAAC), World Congress of Poets (WCP), United Poets Laureate International (UPLI), International Writers and Artists Association (IWA), World Union of Writing Physicians (Union Mondiale des Ecrivains Medecins, UMEM), Academy of American Poets, International Society of Poets (ISP), Poetry Society of America (PSA), Poets of the World (Poetas del Mundo, Chile) and Bilingual Poets and Writers for Peace (Argentina). 

Four of his poetic collections have been published: "Traces" (poems in Greek), Larissa, Greece 1985, "Clay Faces" (poems in Greek), Larissa, Greece, 1992 , "Fictitious Line" (poems in Greek and translated into English and French), Larissa, Greece 2005 and "Dunes" (selected poems translated into French and Romanian), Bucharest, Romania 2007. 

His poems have been translated into English, French, Romanian, Bulgarian, Serbian (Serbo-Croatian), Dutch and Portuguese. Central theme in his poetry is contemporary man, his impasse, his worries, his fears, his hopes and dreams. 

He has won a number of international literary awards for his poetry (in Greece, USA, UK , France and India), which has been published (in books, anthologies, newspapers and magazines) in many countries around the World (USA, UK, Romania, India, Algeria, Bulgaria, China, Italy, Korea, Germany, Mongolia, Brazil, France, Australia, Canada, Serbia, Belgium, Turkey, Argentina, Nepal, South Africa, El Salvador, United Arabic Emirates, Nigeria & Egypt). He is featured in several encyclopedias (the free encyclopedia "Wikipedia" in 35 languages, the Greek encyclopedia "Live Pedia", the "Big Encyclopedia of New Greek Literature of Haris Patsis" and the "Who is Who in Greece ").
  

  
Awards and Honors: 
  
In Year 2003:
1.Silver Medal in Section "Letters" and 2nd Poetry Prize for 2003 for his poetry book "Clay Faces" by the "International Academy of Lutece" presented in 2004 in Paris (France), 

In Year 2004:
2. Gold-Vermeil Medal in Section "Letters" and 1st Poetry Prize for 2004 for his poetry book "Traces" by the "International Academy of Lutece" presented in 2005 in Paris (France), 

In Year 2005:
3. Nominee "Poet Of The Year 2005" by the International Society of Poets (USA),
4. "International Poet of Merit Award" for 2005, Silver Award Bowl and Medallion by the International Society of Poets in Washington DC (USA),
5. Included with his poem "Ideals" in "Poem for Peace" by the International Library of Poetry, (U.S.A.),
6. "Editor's Choice Award" by the International Library of Poetry for his poem "Ideals" (USA),
7. Honorary Gold-Silver Plaquette by the Perfect of Larissa (Greece),
8. "Special Award in Poetry for the Year 2005" for his poetry book "Fictitious Line" in "1st Poetry Festival of Thessaloniki" (Greece),
9. November 2005, "Person of the Month" by the magazine "Kappa Style" of the newspaper "Imerisios Kirikas", Larissa (Greece),
10. Honorary Gold-Silver Plaquette by the Larissa Medical Association "Hippocrates" (Greece),
11. "Editor's Choice Published Poet Award" for 2005 by the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.), 
12. "Poet of the Month" for 5 months by the online magazine "Art Arena" (UK),
13.Gold Medal" and "2nd International Prize in Literature for the year 2005" by the International Society of Greek Writers for his poetrybook "Fictitious Line" (Greece), 
14. "International Professional of the Year 2005" and Medal by the International Biographical Centre of Cambridge (UK), 
15. Gold-Vermeil Medal in Section "Letters" and 1st Poetry Prize for 2005 for his poetry book "Fictitious Line" by the "International Academy of Lutece" presented in 2006 in Paris (France), 

In Year 2006:
16. "Golden Pen Award" Winner by the online magazine "Art Arena" (UK),
17. "Special Commendation" Winner in "4th International Poetry Competition" by the online magazine "First Writer" for his poem "Fictitious line" (U.S.A.),
18. Included in "The Best Poems and Poets of 2005" with his poem "Illusions" by the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.),
19. Included in "2000 Outstanding Intellectuals of the 21st Century" and Medal by the International Biographical Centre of Cambridge (UK),
20. Included in "Great Minds of the 21st Century" and Medal by the American Biographical Institute (U.S.A.), 21. "The Marie Curie Award" for 2006 and Medal by the International Biographical Centre of Cambridge (UK),
22. Nominee "Best Poem of the Year 2005" his poems "Ideals", "Illusions" and "The end" (the only one poet outside USA of 13 poets on the nomination short list) in "2nd Muses Prize - Poetry" (U.S.A.) 
23. Nominee "Best Tragic Poem of the Year 2005" (one of the four poems on the nomination short list) his poem "The End" in "2nd Muses Prize - Poetry" (U.S.A.),
24. "Gold Medal" and "1st Prize in Poetry" by the International Society of Greek Writers in the "25th Celebration of Poets", in Athens (Greece),
25. "Best Poetry Book of the Year 2005" for his poetry book "Fictitious Line" by the Greek Literary Association "Xasteron" and the literary magazine "Kelaino" in Athens (Greece),
26. April 2006, "Author of the Week" by the online magazine "Muses Review" (U.S.A.),
27. Included in "Great Lives of the 21st Century" and Medal by the International Biographical Centre of Cambridge (UK),
28. "Universal Award of Accomplishment" for 2006 by the American Biographical Institute (U.S.A.),
29. "Poetry Prize" by the International Society of Greek Writers in "1st International Festival of Literature and Art", in Athens (Greece),
30. "Special Commendation" Winner in "6th Greek Literary Competition" by the Keratsini Society of Arts, Science and Culture, in Athens (Greece),
31. Nominee "Poet of the Year 2006" by the International Society of Poets (U.S.A.),
32. June 2006, "Poet of the Month" by the online magazine "Muses Review" (U.S.A.),
33. Included in "500 Greatest Geniuses of the 21st Century" and Medal by the American Biographical Institute (U.S.A.),
34. "International Poet of Merit Award" for 2006, Special Crystal Award and Medallion by the International Society of Poets in Las Vegas (U.S.A.),
35. Honorary Silver Plaquette (like open book) by the Mayor of Evrymenes (Greece),
36. Honorary Gold- Silver Plaquette (platter) by the Cultural Association of Stomio (Greece),
37. July 2006, "Best Poetry of the Month" for his poem "Illusions" by the Bilingual MCA Poets and Writers for Peace (Argentina),
38. August 2006, "Poet of the Month" and Nominee "Poet of the Year 2006" by the online magazine "Poetry in a Cup" (U.S.A.),
39. "Man of the Year 2006" and Medal by the American Biographical Institute (U.S.A.),
40. "Muses Prize-Poetry" Winner: "Best Multilingual Poetry Book of Year 2005" for his poetry book "Fictitious Line" in Greek, English and French by Muses Academy of Arts (U.S.A.),
41. December 2006, "Poet of the Week" by the online magazine "Boloji" (India),
42. "Best Poetry book of the Year 2006" for his book "Fictitious Line" by the Greek Cultural Association "The Cafe of Ideas" and the "Greek Club UNESCO of Piraeus and Islands" in "22nd Panhellenic and 2nd International Symposium of Poetry and Literature" in Salamina Island (Greece),
43. "1st Prize in Poetry" in 22nd Greek Literary Competition "Sikeliana" by the Greek Cultural Association "The Cafe of Ideas" and the "Greek Club UNESCO of Piraeus and Islands" in "22nd Panhellenic and 2nd International Symposium of Poetry and Literature" in Salamina Island (Greece),
44. "Editor's Choice Published Poet Award" for 2006 and Medallion "Editor's Choice Poet Scholar" by the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.), 

In Year 2007:
45. "Gold Medal" and "1st Prize in Poetry" by the International Society of Greek Writers in the "26th Celebration of Poets", in Athens (Greece),
46. Nominee "Poet of the Year 2007" by the International Society of Poets (U.S.A.),
47. "Man of the Year 2007" and Medal by the American Biographical Institute (U.S.A.),
48. "2006 Who&#8217;s Who Golden Poet Award Medallion" by the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.),
49. "2007 Poetry Ambassador" and Medal by the National Poetry Month Committee of the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.), 
50. "Love Ambassador" by The Love Foundation Inc. (U.S.A.), 
51. May 2007, Winner of the "Poets Choice Contest " (Monthly Most Votes) for his poem "Fictitious Line" by the International Library of Poetry (U.S.A.),
52. "President's Medal for Excellence in Poetry" and Certificate of Merit by the President of the United Poets Laureate International (UPLI) in the 20th World Congress of Poets in Montgomery, Alabama (U.S.A.), 
53. Honorable Mention for his poem "To the Dead Poet of Obscurity" by the United Poets Laureate International (UPLI) in UPLI Poetry Contest of the 20th World Congress of Poets in Montgomery, Alabama (U.S.A.), 
54. Ellected President of the 22th World Congress of Poets (for the first time in Greece in 2011) by the United Poets Laureate International (UPLI) in the 20th World Congress of Poets in Montgomery, Alabama (U.S.A.),
55. Nominee for "The Balkan Grand Prize for Poetry" of theYear 2007 (one of two nominations) by the International Academy Orient-Occident in the 11th International Festival "Curtea de Arges Poetry Nights" in Bucharest and Curtea de Arges (Romania), 
56. "International Poet of Merit Award" for 2007, Special Crystal Award and Medallion by the International Society of Poets in Las Vegas (U.S.A.),
57. "Doctor of Literature" (Litt. D), Honorary Degree by the World Academy of Arts & Culture (WAAC) in the XXVII World Congress of Poets in Chennai (India),
58. "President's Medal for Poetic Excellence", Gold Medallion and Certificate of Merit by the President of the World Academy of Arts & Culture (WAAC) presented by the Governor of Tamil Nadu in the XXVII World Congress of Poets in Chennai (India),
59. "Ambassador of the Poets of the World" to Greece by the Movement "Poetas del Mundo" (Chile),
60. Honorary Gold Plaquette by the Larissa Writers and Poets Society (E.LO.SY.L.) in Greece.
 
  

  

    
         
    Websites of Dimitris P. Kraniotis:
   
  The Official Website of the Greek Poet: http://www.dimitriskraniotis.com/
  World Poets Society (W.P.S.): http://world-poets.blogspot.com/
  World Poet:
  http://www.geocities.com/wps_society/
  International Poet : http://international-poet.blogspot.com 
  Greek Poet: http://greek-poet.blogspot.com 
  Hellenic Words: http://hellenic-words.blogspot.com/
  Dunes (the blog): http://dkraniotis.blogspot.com/
  Homepage of the Greek poet: http://www.geocities.com/dkraniotis/
   
      

   Other Links: 

  http://wps-poets.blogspot.com/2007/05/dimitris-p-kraniotis.html
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitris_P._Kraniotis
  http://www.famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/dimitris_p__kraniotis
  http://www.arabesquespress.org/journal/contributors/dimitris_p_kraniotis.html
  http://othervoicespoetry.org/vol20/kraniotis/index.html
  http://www.art-arena.com/dpkraniotis.htm
  http://poetryinacup.org/dimitriskraniotis/
  http://www.boloji.com/writers/dimitris.htm
  http://users.skynet.be/spier/argoboatdimitris.htm
  http://www.redescritoresespa.com/D/dimitriskraniotis.htm
  http://www.hetprieeltje.net/oogvanderoos/dimitriskraniotis.html
  http://balkanwriters.com/broj12/dimitrispkraniotis12.htm
  http://tpqonline.org/ashes.html
  http://www.theversemarauder.com/16june2007.html
  http://www.asouthernjournal.com/Ezine/2007v17kraniotis.htm
  http://www.ilrmagazine.net/poetry/issue7_po8.php
  http://penhimalaya.netfirms.com/dimitrisppoetry15.htm
  http://www.lyrikwelt.de/autoren/kraniotis.htm
  http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/spring_2006/greece/dimitris_kraniotis.html
  http://www.zeitschrift.co.uk/v1n2poetry.html
  http://www.lightmillennium.org/2006_18th/dpkraniotis_poems.html
  http://www.completeclassics.com/p/t/poet.asp?poet=92456
  http://www.musesreview.org/interviewdimitriskraniotis.html
  http://www.kritya.in/0201/En/poetry_at_our_time7.html
  http://www.thanalonline.com/Issues/03/poems_en_9.htm
  http://www.interpoetry.com/dimitriskraniotis11.html
  http://scars.tv/cgi-bin/works_e.pl?/home/users/web/b929/us.scars/perl/text-writings/g876.txt
  http://membres.lycos.fr/crcrosnier/mur6/umem6/kraniotisd6.htm
  http://www.privatephotoreview.com/en/news/text.php?scritt=303
  http://poesie.webnet.fr/vospoemes/2584/liste.html
  http://www.writesight.com/writers/dkraniotis/
  http://www.poemsabout.com/poet/dimitris-p-kraniotis/
  http://www.musesreview.org/dimitriskraniotis.html
  http://modernpoetonline.freehostia.com/archives.html
  http://www.poetasdelmundo.com/verInfo_europa.asp?ID=1895
  http://www.thewritingcentre.com/?author=571
  http://www.lovethepoem.com/poets/dimitris-p-kraniotis/
  http://www.bilingualmca.bravehost.com/dimitris.html
  http://www.synapse.net/kgerken/Y-0608.HTM
  http://www.poetscornerpress.com/ZamBomba.html#Poems_
  http://www.poetseers.org/Members/Dimitris-20P.-20Kraniotis
  http://writeclique.net/profile.php?ID=775
  http://www.writers.net/writers/56544

  Contact:
   
  Address:
Dimitris P. Kraniotis
2,Panagoulis str.
41222 Larissa
Greece
   
  e-mail:
dkraniotis at yahoo.gr 
  dimitriskraniotis at gmail.com
    
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From jforjames at aol.com  Sun Dec  2 11:17:22 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:17:22 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem With Common Words
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I remember reading somewhere that T.S. Eliot and Groucho Marx met once and hit it off well because they both were quite fond of punning.

Finnegan


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I check in Turco's blog from time to time.?
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I don't suppose the ghazal would count. That's a certain word, not a word set.?
?
Lew Turco was just ahead of me at Iowa, and gone before I got there. I was considered the most atrocious, inveterate punster of my generation, and Lew of the generation before. Every time I would get started on some really bad ones, someone would say, "You should have heard Lew Turco." And my reputation apparently reached him, too. When we finally met (in Chicago, at an MLA) it was like two gunslingers walking down main street.?
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From chris.lott at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 11:43:09 2007
From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:43:09 -0900
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem With Common Words
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On Dec 1, 2007 2:06 PM, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:
> Lew Turco was just ahead of me at Iowa, and gone before I got there. I
> was considered the most atrocious, inveterate punster of my generation,
> and Lew of the generation before. Every time I would get started on some
> really bad ones, someone would say, "You should have heard Lew Turco."
> And my reputation apparently reached him, too. When we finally met (in
> Chicago, at an MLA) it was like two gunslingers walking down main street.

There has to be more to the story!

c
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From grahamd at ripon.edu  Sun Dec  2 12:00:27 2007
From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:00:27 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] 60 seconds of Charles Bernstein
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I'd agree.  And add to the lengthening list of good poets who are  
also mesmerising performers:  Patricia Smith.


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On Dec 1, 2007, at 5:47 PM, TheOldMole wrote:

> We are in an age where, for good or otherwise -- I think it's good  
> -- many poets -- Collins is one, Dunn, Kinnell a couple of others  
> -- put on one hell of a good show. You could recommend them as  
> entertainment to non-po-biz folkses.
>
> David Graham wrote:
>> I agree.  Great concept, but really a very lackluster performance  
>> of a fairly bland piece, and no particularly good timing on display.
>> You know who's got truly fine timing as a poetry reader?  Billy  
>> Collins.  You may love or hate his poems, but he performs them  
>> with masterful comic timing.
>>
>> ========================================
>> David Graham
>> grahamd at ripon.edu <mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu>
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>> Home Page:
>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html
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>> Poetry Library:
>> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
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>> On Dec 1, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with the timing, agree with the idea, agree with so many  
>>> things, but then, I find this performance quite cold and  
>>> detached, dunno.. I had already seen it somewhere before.
>>
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Dec  2 12:03:48 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:03:48 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poem With Common Words
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With Chris Lott!

From: "Chris Lott" <chris.lott at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 5:43 PM


> On Dec 1, 2007 2:06 PM, TheOldMole <Opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote:
>> Lew Turco was just ahead of me at Iowa, and gone before I got there. I
>> was considered the most atrocious, inveterate punster of my generation,
>> and Lew of the generation before. Every time I would get started on some
>> really bad ones, someone would say, "You should have heard Lew Turco."
>> And my reputation apparently reached him, too. When we finally met (in
>> Chicago, at an MLA) it was like two gunslingers walking down main street.
>
> There has to be more to the story!
>
> c
> --
> Chris Lott 



From chris.lott at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 14:30:52 2007
From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:30:52 -0900
Subject: [New-Poetry] 60 seconds of Charles Bernstein
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On Dec 2, 2007 8:00 AM, David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote:
>  I'd agree.  And add to the lengthening list of good poets who are also
> mesmerising performers:  Patricia Smith.

Lucille Clifton...

c


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From jforjames at aol.com  Mon Dec  3 16:19:34 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:19:34 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Nigeria
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http://allafrica.com/stories/200712031006.html
Nigeria: Writing and the Nation - ANA Prizes and Canon Making


?
Vanguard (Lagos)

2 December 2007
Posted to the web 3 December 2007

Obi Nwakanma
Lagos

TWO weeks ago, the Association of Nigerian Authors (ANA) concluded its annual convention at Owerri, the heartland city of the East. The various prizes administered by ANA were also announced and the winners proclaimed.


My own collection of poems, The Horsemen & Other Poems was on the shortlist for both the ANA/Cadbury Prize and the ANA/Gabriel Okara Prize. My collection did not win the prizes, both of which went to Hyginus Ekwuazi's Love Apart. I have not read Ekwuazi's winning collection of poems, but I feel certain that it deserves the prizes, and I congratulate Ekwuazi, who has worked mostly in film, but who now has shown his paces as a poet of considerable ability and perhaps even significance.This is what the ANA prizes are all about: the affirmation of the work of the contemporary Nigerian literary imagination, and maintenance of the canon of Nigerian literature. I will come back to the meaning of the Nigerian canon shortly, but I would like to draw attention to developments preceding the announcement of the prize, which for me, and I'm sure for many others, has the potential of detracting from the significance of the Nigerian prize.

?
This specifically has to do with the poet, Niyi Osundare's sudden withdrawal of his book, one of the three on the shortlist for consideration in the ANA/Cadbury Prize.


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From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu  Mon Dec  3 16:34:59 2007
From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel )
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:34:59 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Nigeria
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Great argument. 

________________________________

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Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:20 PM
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Nigeria


http://allafrica.com/stories/200712031006.html
Nigeria: Writing and the Nation - ANA Prizes and Canon Making

 
Vanguard (Lagos)
2 December 2007
Posted to the web 3 December 2007
Obi Nwakanma
Lagos
TWO weeks ago, the Association of Nigerian Authors (ANA) concluded its
annual convention at Owerri, the heartland city of the East. The various
prizes administered by ANA were also announced and the winners
proclaimed.

My own collection of poems, The Horsemen & Other Poems was on the
shortlist for both the ANA/Cadbury Prize and the ANA/Gabriel Okara
Prize. My collection did not win the prizes, both of which went to
Hyginus Ekwuazi's Love Apart. I have not read Ekwuazi's winning
collection of poems, but I feel certain that it deserves the prizes, and
I congratulate Ekwuazi, who has worked mostly in film, but who now has
shown his paces as a poet of considerable ability and perhaps even
significance.This is what the ANA prizes are all about: the affirmation
of the work of the contemporary Nigerian literary imagination, and
maintenance of the canon of Nigerian literature. I will come back to the
meaning of the Nigerian canon shortly, but I would like to draw
attention to developments preceding the announcement of the prize, which
for me, and I'm sure for many others, has the potential of detracting
from the significance of the Nigerian prize.

This specifically has to do with the poet, Niyi Osundare's sudden
withdrawal of his book, one of the three on the shortlist for
consideration in the ANA/Cadbury Prize.

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From jorgensen_a at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 18:50:37 2007
From: jorgensen_a at yahoo.com (Alexander Jorgensen)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:50:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Toot-toot! Shameless self-promotion
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http://www.alexanderjorgensen.com

Believe it or not, most of these links are blocked in China. Hmm, and
from this vantage: Planet B-612 was not such a bad place.

Lots of love,
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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Mon Dec  3 20:48:18 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:48:18 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Nigeria
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More on poetry and Nigeria:

http://www.sentinelpoetry.org.uk/0607/editorial.htm


and an interview with Obi Nwakanma:

http://magazine.biafranigeriaworld.com/chinua-achebe/2006jul10-chinua-achebe-foundation-oyibo-odinamadu-interview-part-1.html

Emmanuel -- you've published much African Poetry. Your thoughts on these 
poets?

Sigauke, Emmanuel wrote:
> Great argument.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
> [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of 
> *jforjames at aol.com
> *Sent:* Monday, December 03, 2007 1:20 PM
> *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> *Subject:* [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Nigeria
>
> http://allafrica.com/stories/200712031006.html
> Nigeria: Writing and the Nation - ANA Prizes and Canon Making
>
>  
> Vanguard (Lagos)
> 2 December 2007
> Posted to the web 3 December 2007
> Obi Nwakanma
> Lagos
> TWO weeks ago, the Association of Nigerian Authors (ANA) concluded its 
> annual convention at Owerri, the heartland city of the East. The 
> various prizes administered by ANA were also announced and the winners 
> proclaimed.
>
> My own collection of poems, The Horsemen & Other Poems was on the 
> shortlist for both the ANA/Cadbury Prize and the ANA/Gabriel Okara 
> Prize. My collection did not win the prizes, both of which went to 
> Hyginus Ekwuazi's Love Apart. I have not read Ekwuazi's winning 
> collection of poems, but I feel certain that it deserves the prizes, 
> and I congratulate Ekwuazi, who has worked mostly in film, but who now 
> has shown his paces as a poet of considerable ability and perhaps even 
> significance.This is what the ANA prizes are all about: the 
> affirmation of the work of the contemporary Nigerian literary 
> imagination, and maintenance of the canon of Nigerian literature. I 
> will come back to the meaning of the Nigerian canon shortly, but I 
> would like to draw attention to developments preceding the 
> announcement of the prize, which for me, and I'm sure for many others, 
> has the potential of detracting from the significance of the Nigerian 
> prize.
>
> This specifically has to do with the poet, Niyi Osundare's sudden 
> withdrawal of his book, one of the three on the shortlist for 
> consideration in the ANA/Cadbury Prize.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu  Mon Dec  3 21:23:03 2007
From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel )
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:23:03 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Nigeria
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	<4754B1E2.90000@opus40.org>
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Most of these are highly talented, hardworking writers. I always talk about the African literary rennaissance, especially in the area of fiction where emerging writers like Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie of Nigeria, Heron Habila of Nigeria, Uche Umez of Nigeria, and (insert name) of Nigeria and others like Valerie Tagwira of Zimbabwe have attracted the attention of major publishers in the US and Europe. This is very important because these authors are directing the attention of many readers to a continent that's not often thought of in terms of literary production. Nigeria, in particular, has always been the literary hub (in Anglophone writing) of the continent. 
 
And the poets? There is practically a poetic explosion as these young poets take a candid look at the state of Africa today. Whether it's a South African performing poet talking about the demise of a post-apartheid SA to a Zimbabwean poet writing about the economy of Zimbabwe to a Ghanian or Nigerian poet experienting with new form, these writers are certainly working hard, participating in the new global something of poetic expression. 

 
________________________________

From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of TheOldMole
Sent: Mon 12/3/2007 5:48 PM
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Nigeria



More on poetry and Nigeria:

http://www.sentinelpoetry.org.uk/0607/editorial.htm


and an interview with Obi Nwakanma:

http://magazine.biafranigeriaworld.com/chinua-achebe/2006jul10-chinua-achebe-foundation-oyibo-odinamadu-interview-part-1.html

Emmanuel -- you've published much African Poetry. Your thoughts on these
poets?

Sigauke, Emmanuel wrote:
> Great argument.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] *On Behalf Of
> *jforjames at aol.com
> *Sent:* Monday, December 03, 2007 1:20 PM
> *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> *Subject:* [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Nigeria
>
> http://allafrica.com/stories/200712031006.html
> Nigeria: Writing and the Nation - ANA Prizes and Canon Making
>
> 
> Vanguard (Lagos)
> 2 December 2007
> Posted to the web 3 December 2007
> Obi Nwakanma
> Lagos
> TWO weeks ago, the Association of Nigerian Authors (ANA) concluded its
> annual convention at Owerri, the heartland city of the East. The
> various prizes administered by ANA were also announced and the winners
> proclaimed.
>
> My own collection of poems, The Horsemen & Other Poems was on the
> shortlist for both the ANA/Cadbury Prize and the ANA/Gabriel Okara
> Prize. My collection did not win the prizes, both of which went to
> Hyginus Ekwuazi's Love Apart. I have not read Ekwuazi's winning
> collection of poems, but I feel certain that it deserves the prizes,
> and I congratulate Ekwuazi, who has worked mostly in film, but who now
> has shown his paces as a poet of considerable ability and perhaps even
> significance.This is what the ANA prizes are all about: the
> affirmation of the work of the contemporary Nigerian literary
> imagination, and maintenance of the canon of Nigerian literature. I
> will come back to the meaning of the Nigerian canon shortly, but I
> would like to draw attention to developments preceding the
> announcement of the prize, which for me, and I'm sure for many others,
> has the potential of detracting from the significance of the Nigerian
> prize.
>
> This specifically has to do with the poet, Niyi Osundare's sudden
> withdrawal of his book, one of the three on the shortlist for
> consideration in the ANA/Cadbury Prize.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From jforjames at aol.com  Tue Dec  4 19:26:39 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:26:39 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] New issue of GLITTERPONY now on interweb
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***The new issue of Glitterpony is now on the interweb***

Featuring: Art by Sonya Genel,

Short film by Sara Blaylock,

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Scott Hartwich, Jonathan Doherty,

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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Wed Dec  5 11:48:43 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:48:43 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Italy seen by
Message-ID: <002301c8375e$b2b6d840$a3c93a52@ANNY>

So very funny and true, something I would never be able to write_
http://www.nwe.ufl.edu/~gulmer/disseminar/italy.html



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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Thu Dec  6 10:26:03 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:26:03 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Northwest
Message-ID: <4758148B.5030700@opus40.org>

Anybody else been getting this Seven Days of Poetry campaign from Poetry 
Northwest? A poem a day from the magazine -- today Bly, tomorrow C. K. 
Williams, along with a little note about how wonderful poetry is, and a 
subscription request.

The thing, and this is weird for an e-mail spam, which we're conditioned 
to hate, I think it's a terrific sales pitch, and it would convince me 
to get a subscription if I weren't so damn broke.

-- 
Tad Richards
http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From alexdickow9 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 08:16:56 2007
From: alexdickow9 at yahoo.com (Alexander Dickow)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 05:16:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 42, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <200712061700.lB6H035G014813@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <497303.19638.qm@web35514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tad,
The poem a day's a nice idea, isn't it? I can't say CK
Williams and Bly are selling names for me personally,
but the online journal RealPoetik has the best
electronic format I've found yet: about once a month
you get an email with a new poet and their published
poems. You can find all of them on the website, of
course, but I love this email method: I actually read
all of the journal, whereas my eyes can't sustain
other online journals for very long (as a result, I
rarely read a whole issue of those).
Oh, and it's free to sign up ;)
Amicalement,
Alex


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> Williams, along with a little note about how
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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec  7 10:38:11 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:38:11 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Gary Snyder Q&A
Message-ID: <8CA06FE4EC91ED5-E54-AB3@webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.theunion.com/article/20071129/NEWS/111290127
Q & A with wordsmith Gary Snyder


By Pam Jung, pamj at theunion.com
? More from Pam Jung
12:01 a.m. PT Nov 29, 2007


GS: When I am working on prose (and I have published several books of prose essays, including my latest, "Back on the Fire"), it is necessary to work tirelessly and stay on schedule. Work means reading, research, interviewing people, etc., as well as just "writing," and then it also means editing and rewriting. 

The discipline of poetry requires that you keep yourself available. The muse "hits" unpredictably, almost like an accident. An artist keeps herself/ himself "accident-prone." And then there is the whole practice of order - files and notes - manuscripts at different levels of finish - and having a few good dictionaries always at hand. 


P: Any advice to offer poets?


GS: Poetry rises from deep feeling and a full engagement with life. But for feeling and engagement to become art takes knowledge, study and focus. For poets, the material we work with is language and its syntax, its music, its many ambiguous levels of meaning. 


I always told my students at Davis that they should read all the major poets in the English language from the Anglo-Saxon and Middle English on - it's not that huge a body of work. Just do it. And then become acquainted with continental poetry in translation and in one or more languages that you have learned to read. Look at the great poetic traditions of India and East Asia. And look at the songs and poems that pre-date the invention of writing. That's for starters. And never forget you are just one small body with a mysteriously large mind, in a place on earth with streams and rivers flowing through.



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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec  7 11:03:39 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:03:39 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Collected Whalen
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/02/RVJMT1SD2.DTL&type=books

The Collected Poems of Philip Whalen
Edited by Michael Rothenberg
WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY PRESS; 812 PAGES; $49.95
Being fat bothered Philip Whalen his entire writing life. Even after years of studying and practicing Zen Buddhism, he was beset by shame and self-consciousness, expressed in lines such as these:


"Epigram, Upon Himself"

People can forgive all my faults; They despise me for being fat.


Intriguingly, "being fat" apparently is not included among his faults, a distinction fine enough to presage further psychological revelations. But although Whalen does belabor certain chronic frustrations, he was not temperamentally inclined to make in-depth analyses. This predilection was somewhat reinforced by his Buddhist training. (He was abbot at San Francisco's Hartford Street Zen Center until his death in 2002.) Whalen generally reiterates rather than delves: "So fat my nose becomes invisible in profile,/ Ballooning cheeks"; "Worse to look at than my gross shape," and there are many more. He also castigates himself for other weaknesses: "How loyal have I been to myself?/ How far do I trust ... anything?/ I wonder 'self-confidence' vs. years of self-indulgence (am I feeling guilty?)." He certainly expresses misgivings about his logorrhea, a compulsion to pour forth words (and cartoonish doodles) that oddly parallels his gourmandizing compulsions: "A terrible mistake: 'Dots and squiggles justify/ The air and space I occupy.' " Justify, yes, with their humor and surprising insights, but they also crowd out and overshadow the rarer, wiser, just plain finer poems


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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec  7 11:17:17 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:17:17 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems for Chanukah   
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http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/5864

Poems for Chanukah???
?
?Meaning "dedication" in Hebrew, Chanukah celebrates the ancient victory of a band of Jewish rebels against the occupying forces who had outlawed Judaism and profaned the Temple in Jerusalem with Greek idols. The earliest version of the story was written in verse, in the biblical poetry of the Books of Maccabees. 

Modern translations of the story can be found in David Rosenberg's A Poet's Bible, which restores a powerful immediacy to the laments of Mattathias and Judah. In a psalm by Mattathias, the Jewish priest offers a heartbreaking account of the devastation of his homeland: 


Did I have to be born 
raised to be a witness
to Jerusalem taken like a whore


my people massacred in spirit
sitting propped up like dead men
watching their city fall as if at play

--
?
"Between the eve of the holiday and the final day" by Yehuda Amichai
"How beautiful are thy tents, Jacob" by Yehuda Amichai
"Near, in the Aorta's Arch" by Paul Celan
"Tabernacle Window" by Paul Celan
"Psalm III" by Allen Ginsberg
"An Old Cracked Tune" by Stanley Kunitz
"A Feast of Lights" by Emma Lazarus
"Nishmat" by Marge Piercy
"V'ahavata" by Marge Piercy
"Meditations on the Fall and Winter Holidays" by Charles Reznikoff
"Notes on the Spring Holidays" by Charles Reznikoff 
"Maccabees" by David Rosenberg
"Letter to the Front" by Muriel Rukeyser
"Blessed is the Match" by Hannah Senesh
"A Christmas Story" by Alan Shapiro
"The 151st Psalm" by Karl Shapiro
"The Coming of Light" by Mark Strand
"Light Breaks Where No Sun Shines" by Dylan Thomas


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Dec  7 11:56:01 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:56:01 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] On a Gracious Book
Message-ID: <005f01c838f2$0cf67a60$d9d83052@ANNY>

Leevi Lehto and Cia Rinne
http://www.leevilehto.net/default.asp?a=1&b=8&c=8&d=1


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Dec  7 15:58:35 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:58:35 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] the Magna Carta
Message-ID: <000d01c83913$ef7f2c30$68ad3452@ANNY>

September 24, 2007 
Examining the 'Great Paper'
The Magna Carta or "Great Paper" is the document that spelled out the fundamentals of English law. There are 17 versions of it in existence. This version, which dates to 1297, is the only copy in the United States and the only privately owned copy. It will be auctioned by Sotheby's in December.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2007/09/24/nyregion/20070924_MAGNA_GRAPHIC.html#


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From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com  Fri Dec  7 18:01:59 2007
From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:01:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] German composer Stockhausen is Dead
Message-ID: <63944.74.66.76.232.1197068519.squirrel@webmail.web.com>

German composer Stockhausen is dead

12/7/2007, 1:54 p.m. EST
The Associated Press

BERLIN (AP) ? Karlheinz Stockhausen, whose electronic works made him one
of Germany's most important postwar composers, has died, German state
broadcaster ZDF reported Friday.  He was 79.

Stockhausen, who gained fame with avant-garde compositions in the 1960s
and '70s and later moved to huge music theater and other projects, died
Wednesday, ZDF said, citing the Stockhausen Music Foundation.  It gave no
cause of death.

 Stockhausen's electronic compositions are a radical departure from
musical tradition and incorporate influences as varied as psychology, the
visual arts and the acoustics of a particular concert hall.

Stockhausen was born in the village of Moedrath near Cologne in western
Germany on Aug. 22, 1928.  His father was killed in World War II and his
mother also died, leaving him orphaned as a teenager.

After completing his studies in musicology, philosophy and German
literature at the University of Cologne, he went on to study under
composer Olivier Messiaen in Paris from 1952 to 1953, where he also met
his French contemporary Pierre Boulez.

Stockhausen wrote more than 280 works, including more than 140 pieces of
electronic or electro-acoustic music and brought out more than 100
different albums.  He was known for conducting nearly all of the premiere
performances of his works.

The composer is survived by six children from two marriages.  Services
were not immediately announced.

He provoked controversy in 2001 after describing the Sept. 11 attacks as
"the greatest work of art one can imagine" during a news conference in the
northern German city of Hamburger, where several of the hijackers had
lived.  The composer later apologized for his remarks, but the city still
canceled performances of his works.

posted by gregory vincent st. thomasino

http://eratio.blogspot.com/


e?



From gejs1 at rochester.rr.com  Fri Dec  7 18:08:52 2007
From: gejs1 at rochester.rr.com (Gerald Schwartz)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:08:52 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] German composer Stockhausen is Dead
References: <63944.74.66.76.232.1197068519.squirrel@webmail.web.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c83926$22abbd00$63ae4a4a@yourae066c3a9b>


Thinking here, a homage is in order.

Gerald Schwartz

> German composer Stockhausen is dead
>
> 12/7/2007, 1:54 p.m. EST
> The Associated Press
>
> BERLIN (AP) - Karlheinz Stockhausen, whose electronic works made him one
> of Germany's most important postwar composers, has died, German state
> broadcaster ZDF reported Friday.  He was 79.
>
> Stockhausen, who gained fame with avant-garde compositions in the 1960s
> and '70s and later moved to huge music theater and other projects, died
> Wednesday, ZDF said, citing the Stockhausen Music Foundation.  It gave no
> cause of death.
>
> Stockhausen's electronic compositions are a radical departure from
> musical tradition and incorporate influences as varied as psychology, the
> visual arts and the acoustics of a particular concert hall.
>
> Stockhausen was born in the village of Moedrath near Cologne in western
> Germany on Aug. 22, 1928.  His father was killed in World War II and his
> mother also died, leaving him orphaned as a teenager.
>
> After completing his studies in musicology, philosophy and German
> literature at the University of Cologne, he went on to study under
> composer Olivier Messiaen in Paris from 1952 to 1953, where he also met
> his French contemporary Pierre Boulez.
>
> Stockhausen wrote more than 280 works, including more than 140 pieces of
> electronic or electro-acoustic music and brought out more than 100
> different albums.  He was known for conducting nearly all of the premiere
> performances of his works.
>
> The composer is survived by six children from two marriages.  Services
> were not immediately announced.
>
> He provoked controversy in 2001 after describing the Sept. 11 attacks as
> "the greatest work of art one can imagine" during a news conference in the
> northern German city of Hamburger, where several of the hijackers had
> lived.  The composer later apologized for his remarks, but the city still
> canceled performances of his works.
>
> posted by gregory vincent st. thomasino
>
> http://eratio.blogspot.com/
>
>
> e?
>
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From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec  8 10:52:31 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:52:31 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem of the Week- David Roderick
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From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec  8 14:27:17 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:27:17 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] note from Stevens' journal
Message-ID: <cc7.21927d0d.348c4a15@aol.com>

I ran across this on the net, and thought I'd post it to the list...
 
>From his Journal -- Sunday, August 10, 1902 [New York}

I've had a handsome day of it and am contented again. Left the house  after 
breakfast and went by ferry and trolley to Hackensack over in Jersey. From  H. 
I walked 5 1/2 miles on the Spring Valley road, then 4 miles to Ridgewood,  
then another mile to Hoboken and back towards town 7 miles more to Paterson: 17  
1/2 in all, a good day's jaunt at this time of the year. Came from Paterson 
to  Hoboken by trolley and then home. In the early part of the day I saw some 
very  respectable country which, as usual, set me contemplating. I love to walk 
along  with a slight wind playing in the trees about me and think over a 
thousand and  one odds and ends. Last night I spent an hour in the dark transept 
of St.  Patrick's Cathedral where I go now and then in my more lonely moods. An 
old  argument with me is that the true religious force in the world is not 
the  church, but the world itself: the mysterious callings of Nature and our  
responses. What incessant murmurs fill that ever-laboring, tireless church! But  
to-day in my walk I thought that after all there is no conflict of forces but 
 rather a contrast. In the cathedral I felt one presence; on the highway I 
felt  another. Two different deities presented themselves; and though I have 
only  cloudy visions of either, yet I now feel the distinction between them. The  
priest in me worshipped one God at one shrine; the poet another God at 
another  shrine. The priest worshipped Mercy and Love; the poet, Beauty and Might. 
In the  shadows of the church I could hear the prayers of men and women; in the 
shadows  of the trees nothing human mingled with Divinity. As I sat dreaming 
with the  Congregation I felt how the glittering alter worked on my senses 
stimulating and  consoling them; and as I went tramping through the fields and 
woods I beheld  every leaf and blade of grass revealing or rather betokening the 
 Invisible.




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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Dec  8 16:05:05 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:05:05 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] note from Stevens' journal
References: <cc7.21927d0d.348c4a15@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001401c839de$026a1a10$1bd83052@ANNY>

"The priest worshipped Mercy and Love; the poet, Beauty and Might."

Clearly stated. There is a young voice in this writing. I did not read the date or the subject, it could have been an entry on a blog.

From: JforJames at aol.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:27 PM

  I ran across this on the net, and thought I'd post it to the list...

  From his Journal -- Sunday, August 10, 1902 [New York}

  I've had a handsome day of it and am contented again. Left the house after breakfast and went by ferry and trolley to Hackensack over in Jersey. From H. I walked 5 1/2 miles on the Spring Valley road, then 4 miles to Ridgewood, then another mile to Hoboken and back towards town 7 miles more to Paterson: 17 1/2 in all, a good day's jaunt at this time of the year. Came from Paterson to Hoboken by trolley and then home. In the early part of the day I saw some very respectable country which, as usual, set me contemplating. I love to walk along with a slight wind playing in the trees about me and think over a thousand and one odds and ends. Last night I spent an hour in the dark transept of St. Patrick's Cathedral where I go now and then in my more lonely moods. An old argument with me is that the true religious force in the world is not the church, but the world itself: the mysterious callings of Nature and our responses. What incessant murmurs fill that ever-laboring, tireless church! But to-day in my walk I thought that after all there is no conflict of forces but rather a contrast. In the cathedral I felt one presence; on the highway I felt another. Two different deities presented themselves; and though I have only cloudy visions of either, yet I now feel the distinction between them. The priest in me worshipped one God at one shrine; the poet another God at another shrine. The priest worshipped Mercy and Love; the poet, Beauty and Might. In the shadows of the church I could hear the prayers of men and women; in the shadows of the trees nothing human mingled with Divinity. As I sat dreaming with the Congregation I felt how the glittering alter worked on my senses stimulating and consoling them; and as I went tramping through the fields and woods I beheld every leaf and blade of grass revealing or rather betokening the Invisible.


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Dec  8 16:06:03 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:06:03 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poem of the Week- David Roderick
References: <cc4.2225848d.348c17bf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c839de$249a6400$1bd83052@ANNY>

He is smart, well-educated and young.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JforJames at aol.com 
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Dec  8 16:27:20 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:27:20 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Victory! Big step for Facebook privacy!
Message-ID: <004401c839e1$1db07eb0$1bd83052@ANNY>

It might be of interest here:

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Adam Green, MoveOn.org Civic Action 
To: Anny Ballardini 
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:49 PM
Subject: Victory! Big step for Facebook privacy!


            Big news! Facebook will no longer make private purchases on other sites public on Facebook without explicit permission!


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                  The Washington Post summed up the issue well.


                  Click here to read the article 
           
     
Dear MoveOn member,

Big news! In response to our campaign, Facebook changed their policy and announced that no private purchases made on other websites will be displayed publicly on Facebook "without users proactively consenting."1 They'll also give users a new option to permanently say no to this feature.2


This is a huge victory for online privacy-and shows how regular people can band together to make a difference as the rules of the Internet get written.


Facebook deserves credit for taking a huge step in the right direction. Their decision will hopefully set a precedent for all websites-that the wish lists of corporate advertisers must not be put before the basic rights of Internet users.


When sites like Facebook listen to Internet users and take big steps in the right direction, a little positive feedback goes a long way in encouraging them to keep it up. Can you send an email thanking Facebook today?


Email Facebook here:
privacy at facebook.com

Help us track our progress-let us know you emailed Facebook here:
http://civ.moveon.org/call?cp_id=646&tg=463&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=4

The Washington Post, New York Times, and media outlets around the world cited the thousands of Internet users who joined MoveOn's Facebook group and online petition as critical in getting Facebook to reconsider their policy. The New York Times called it a "mass protest" and London's Telegraph newspaper said we achieved "dramatic change."3


Here are a couple of the many comments posted on our Facebook page dedicated to this issue:


  a.. "This is a pretty powerful feeling. Honestly, I didn't think that people could make changes like this through civil action. I am very proud to be a part of this!"-Sean L. from Massachusetts, whose personal story about Facebook privacy was recently featured in the Washington Post.
  b.. "SUCCESS! Congratulations everyone! Don't know about you guys, but I feel much better about using Facebook now."-David G. from New York4
Taking a moment to give Facebook positive feedback will let them know they made the right decision, and will encourage them to keep listening to Internet users when making future decisions.

Thanks for all you do-and for being part of this important fight.

-Adam G., Daniel, Marika, Eli, Wes, Karin, and the MoveOn.org Civic Action Team
  Saturday, December 8th, 2007

P.S. Here is an excerpt and link to a great Washington Post article-more articles are below. 
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3217&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=5 


Sources:

1. "Facebook adds safeguards on purchase data," Los Angeles Times, November 30, 2007
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3218&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=6


2. "Thoughts on Beacon," Blog post by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg, December 5, 2007
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3252&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=7


3. "Facebook founder apologizes, offers more control over Beacon marketing tool," Associated Press, December 5, 2007
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3253&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=8

"Apologetic, Facebook Changes Ad Program," New York Times, December 6, 2007
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3255&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=9


"Feeling Betrayed, Facebook Users Force Site to Honor Their Privacy," Washington Post, November 30, 2007
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3217&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=10

"Facebook Retreats on Online Tracking," New York Times, November 30, 2007
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3219&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=11

"Facebook bows to user pressure in privacy row," The Telegraph, November 30, 2007
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3220&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=12

"Protests force Facebook to change," BBC News, November 30, 2007
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3221&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=13

"Facebook Promises More Consumer Privacy," Associated Press, November 30, 2007
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3222&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=14

"Facebook Dims the Beacon Spotlight," Business Week, November 30, 2007
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3224&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=15


4. Facebook group, "Facebook, stop invading my privacy!"
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3226&id=11768-1585870-RPzGzW&t=16



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From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec  8 16:52:52 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:52:52 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] note from Stevens' journal
Message-ID: <d03.2390b205.348c6c34@aol.com>

 
Anny, hmmm. I wonder if wa haven't given up talking to others in  letters, in 
favor of talking to ourselves in blogs?
Finnegan
 
In a message dated 12/8/2007 4:05:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
anny.ballardini at tin.it writes:

 
Clearly stated. There is a young voice in this writing. I did not read  the 
date or the subject, it could have been an entry on a  blog.



 



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From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Sat Dec  8 17:34:40 2007
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:34:40 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] note from Stevens' journal
Message-ID: <d3b.18acb255.348c7600@cs.com>

In a message dated 12/8/2007 1:27:53 PM Central Standard Time, 
JforJames at aol.com writes: 
> 
>  
>  From his Journal -- Sunday, August 10, 1902 [New York}
>  
> I've had a handsome day of it and am contented again. Left the house after 
> breakfast and went by ferry and trolley to Hackensack over in Jersey. From H. 
> I walked 5 1/2 miles on the Spring Valley road, then 4 miles to Ridgewood, 
> then another mile to Hoboken and back towards town 7 miles more to Paterson: 17 
> 1/2 in all, a good day's jaunt at this time of the year. Came from Paterson 
> to Hoboken by trolley and then home. In the early part of the day I saw some 
> very respectable country which, as usual, set me contemplating. I love to 
> walk along with a slight wind playing in the trees about me and think over a 
> thousand and one odds and ends. Last night I spent an hour in the dark transept 
> of St. Patrick's Cathedral where I go now and then in my more lonely moods. 
> An old argument with me is that the true religious force in the world is not 
> the church, but the world itself: the mysterious callings of Nature and our 
> responses. What incessant murmurs fill that ever-laboring, tireless church! But 
> to-day in my walk I thought that after all there is no conflict of forces 
> but rather a contrast. In the cathedral I felt one presence; on the highway I 
> felt another. Two different deities presented themselves; and though I have 
> only cloudy visions of either, yet I now feel the distinction between them. The 
> priest in me worshipped one God at one shrine; the poet another God at 
> another shrine. The priest worshipped Mercy and Love; the poet, Beauty and Might. 
> In the shadows of the church I could hear the prayers of men and women; in 
> the shadows of the trees nothing human mingled with Divinity. As I sat dreaming 
> with the Congregation I felt how the glittering alter worked on my senses 
> stimulating and consoling them; and as I went tramping through the fields and 
> woods I beheld every leaf and blade of grass revealing or rather betokening 
> the Invisible.
> 
> 
Pure Emerson.  I guess "Sunday Morning" is a later development of this theme, 
from an older man who enjoys his food and drink more than the younger.  
Interesting.   
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Dec  8 17:52:27 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:52:27 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] note from Stevens' journal
References: <d03.2390b205.348c6c34@aol.com>
Message-ID: <006701c839ed$01f0cd90$1bd83052@ANNY>

Or to private journals? At least blogs are open to everybody if they want to read.
  From: JforJames at aol.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:52 PM


  Anny, hmmm. I wonder if wa haven't given up talking to others in letters, in favor of talking to ourselves in blogs?
  Finnegan

  In a message dated 12/8/2007 4:05:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, anny.ballardini at tin.it writes:

    Clearly stated. There is a young voice in this writing. I did not read the date or the subject, it could have been an entry on a blog.
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Dec  9 12:13:17 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:13:17 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Presidential candidates
Message-ID: <001901c83a86$caad8fe0$fa2ab750@ANNY>

 http://www.speakout.com/VoteMatch/senate2006.asp?quiz=2008#sec0

from the WOM-PO, not such a silly game after all.


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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Sun Dec  9 13:11:46 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 13:11:46 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Presidential candidates
In-Reply-To: <001901c83a86$caad8fe0$fa2ab750@ANNY>
References: <001901c83a86$caad8fe0$fa2ab750@ANNY>
Message-ID: <475C2FE2.4010606@nut-n-but.net>

Amusing little game.  It was accurate for me: it indicates no candidate 
represents my views very well.  I agree with most Giuliani (a big 38%) 
and 20% with Hillary, and less with almost all the the candidates.  This 
is why when write-ins were allowed, I always voted for Johnny Weismuller 
until he died.  But the game is crude.  With proper questions, I'm sure 
I could have lowered my scores a lot.  I tend to believe that anyone who 
agrees more than ten percent with any politician has something wrong 
with him.

--Bob G.



From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Dec  9 14:19:36 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:19:36 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Presidential candidates
References: <001901c83a86$caad8fe0$fa2ab750@ANNY>
	<475C2FE2.4010606@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <004101c83a98$70de5c80$fa2ab750@ANNY>

I listened to Giuliani during 9/11 from my laptop. He was a great man on 
that occasion, and I will remember him that way. What a surprise that you 
side with him. And I am with you on the ten percent maximum.

From: "Bob Grumman" <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:11 PM


> Amusing little game.  It was accurate for me: it indicates no candidate 
> represents my views very well.  I agree with most Giuliani (a big 38%) and 
> 20% with Hillary, and less with almost all the the candidates.  This is 
> why when write-ins were allowed, I always voted for Johnny Weismuller 
> until he died.  But the game is crude.  With proper questions, I'm sure I 
> could have lowered my scores a lot.  I tend to believe that anyone who 
> agrees more than ten percent with any politician has something wrong with 
> him.
>
> --Bob G.
> 


From JforJames at aol.com  Sun Dec  9 14:52:41 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:52:41 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Sinan Antoon
Message-ID: <cca.2152379c.348da189@aol.com>

 
Clouds 
(for J) 
all the clouds 
of the world 
are waiting 
in my body 
you 
are their 
wind, 
sky, 
and earth. 
--Sinan Antoon 
World Literature Today, Sept.-Oct. 2007 
(Sinan Antoon is an Iraqi-born poet, this poem 
if from his book, Baghdad Blues, Harbor Mountain Press) 




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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Sun Dec  9 15:52:09 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:52:09 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Presidential candidates
In-Reply-To: <004101c83a98$70de5c80$fa2ab750@ANNY>
References: <001901c83a86$caad8fe0$fa2ab750@ANNY>	<475C2FE2.4010606@nut-n-but.net>
	<004101c83a98$70de5c80$fa2ab750@ANNY>
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Anny Ballardini wrote:
> I listened to Giuliani during 9/11 from my laptop. He was a great man 
> on that occasion, and I will remember him that way. What a surprise 
> that you side with him. And I am with you on the ten percent maximum.

Ann-knee!  I'm only 38% with him!  Yikes!  Just that it's more than I am 
with any of the other viable candidates.  I don't side with him on much, 
and what I side with him on is never wholly.

--Rah-burt



>
> From: "Bob Grumman" <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:11 PM
>
>
>> Amusing little game.  It was accurate for me: it indicates no 
>> candidate represents my views very well.  I agree with most Giuliani 
>> (a big 38%) and 20% with Hillary, and less with almost all the the 
>> candidates.  This is why when write-ins were allowed, I always voted 
>> for Johnny Weismuller until he died.  But the game is crude.  With 
>> proper questions, I'm sure I could have lowered my scores a lot.  I 
>> tend to believe that anyone who agrees more than ten percent with any 
>> politician has something wrong with him.
>>
>> --Bob G.
>>
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Dec  9 17:51:06 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:51:06 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Presidential candidates
References: <001901c83a86$caad8fe0$fa2ab750@ANNY>	<475C2FE2.4010606@nut-n-but.net><004101c83a98$70de5c80$fa2ab750@ANNY>
	<475C5579.8030009@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <005901c83ab5$fc5cf060$fa2ab750@ANNY>

Ann-Knee, that is a good one. Didn't mean to offend but 38% is something. 
blessings as they say,
any


From: "Bob Grumman" <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:52 PM


> 
> 
> Anny Ballardini wrote:
>> I listened to Giuliani during 9/11 from my laptop. He was a great man 
>> on that occasion, and I will remember him that way. What a surprise 
>> that you side with him. And I am with you on the ten percent maximum.
> 
> Ann-knee!  I'm only 38% with him!  Yikes!  Just that it's more than I am 
> with any of the other viable candidates.  I don't side with him on much, 
> and what I side with him on is never wholly.
> 
> --Rah-burt
> 




From halvard at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  9 19:11:00 2007
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:11:00 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] German composer Stockhausen is Dead
In-Reply-To: <000b01c83926$22abbd00$63ae4a4a@yourae066c3a9b>
References: <63944.74.66.76.232.1197068519.squirrel@webmail.web.com>
	<000b01c83926$22abbd00$63ae4a4a@yourae066c3a9b>
Message-ID: <CDD13C77-2C47-4E92-87A6-E83AD7D557B1@earthlink.net>

Speaking of homages, Elliott Carter is still alive, and Tuesday
(the day after tomorrow) is his 99th birthday.

Hal

"Those who cast the ballots decide nothing.
  Those who count the ballots decide everything."
                             --Joseph Stalin

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On Dec 7, 2007, at 5:08 PM, Gerald Schwartz wrote:

>
> Thinking here, a homage is in order.
>
> Gerald Schwartz
>
>> German composer Stockhausen is dead
>>
>> 12/7/2007, 1:54 p.m. EST
>> The Associated Press
>>
>> BERLIN (AP) - Karlheinz Stockhausen, whose electronic works made  
>> him one
>> of Germany's most important postwar composers, has died, German state
>> broadcaster ZDF reported Friday.  He was 79.
>>
>> Stockhausen, who gained fame with avant-garde compositions in the  
>> 1960s
>> and '70s and later moved to huge music theater and other projects,  
>> died
>> Wednesday, ZDF said, citing the Stockhausen Music Foundation.  It  
>> gave no
>> cause of death.
>>
>> Stockhausen's electronic compositions are a radical departure from
>> musical tradition and incorporate influences as varied as  
>> psychology, the
>> visual arts and the acoustics of a particular concert hall.
>>
>> Stockhausen was born in the village of Moedrath near Cologne in  
>> western
>> Germany on Aug. 22, 1928.  His father was killed in World War II  
>> and his
>> mother also died, leaving him orphaned as a teenager.
>>
>> After completing his studies in musicology, philosophy and German
>> literature at the University of Cologne, he went on to study under
>> composer Olivier Messiaen in Paris from 1952 to 1953, where he also  
>> met
>> his French contemporary Pierre Boulez.
>>
>> Stockhausen wrote more than 280 works, including more than 140  
>> pieces of
>> electronic or electro-acoustic music and brought out more than 100
>> different albums.  He was known for conducting nearly all of the  
>> premiere
>> performances of his works.
>>
>> The composer is survived by six children from two marriages.   
>> Services
>> were not immediately announced.
>>
>> He provoked controversy in 2001 after describing the Sept. 11  
>> attacks as
>> "the greatest work of art one can imagine" during a news conference  
>> in the
>> northern German city of Hamburger, where several of the hijackers had
>> lived.  The composer later apologized for his remarks, but the city  
>> still
>> canceled performances of his works.
>>
>> posted by gregory vincent st. thomasino
>>
>> http://eratio.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> e?
>>
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From halvard at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  9 21:19:49 2007
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:19:49 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Categories of Fish
Message-ID: <8A8DE732-C4E0-449D-A9B6-6025C6AB8A69@earthlink.net>

Categories of Fish

First, there are the kind that we like to eat,
the ones with fins and silvery scales.

Then, there are those who walk upright
in the evenings. Almost.

Then come those who walk backwards
until someone tells them not to.

There are fish that feed millions from a single
basket, a meal that suffices for weeks, even months.

Then, there are those that hang out in schools,
never wandering off on their own,

never graduating, taking a degree,
or even declaring a major.


Hal

Halvard Johnson
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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Sun Dec  9 21:40:48 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:40:48 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Categories of Fish
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I love this one.

Halvard Johnson wrote:
> Categories of Fish
>
> First, there are the kind that we like to eat,
> the ones with fins and silvery scales.
>
> Then, there are those who walk upright
> in the evenings. Almost.
>
> Then come those who walk backwards
> until someone tells them not to.
>
> There are fish that feed millions from a single
> basket, a meal that suffices for weeks, even months.
>
> Then, there are those that hang out in schools,
> never wandering off on their own,
>
> never graduating, taking a degree,
> or even declaring a major.
>
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> halvard at earthlink.net <mailto:halvard at earthlink.net>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html 
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ehalvard/index.html>
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com <http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/>
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com 
> <http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com/>
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org <http://www.hamiltonstone.org/>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html 
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ehalvard/vidalocabooks.html>
>
>
>
>
>
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The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Sun Dec  9 23:15:08 2007
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:15:08 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Categories of Fish
Message-ID: <c9f.1e051c01.348e174c@cs.com>

In a message dated 12/9/2007 8:19:55 PM Central Standard Time, 
halvard at earthlink.net writes: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Categories of Fish
> 
> First, there are the kind that we like to eat,
> the ones with fins and silvery scales.
> 
> Then, there are those who walk upright
> in the evenings. Almost.
> 
> Then come those who walk backwards
> until someone tells them not to.
> 
> There are fish that feed millions from a single
> basket, a meal that suffices for weeks, even months.
> 
> Then, there are those that hang out in schools,
> never wandering off on their own,
> 
> never graduating, taking a degree,
> or even declaring a major.
> 
> 
> Hal
> 
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> halvard at earthlink.net
> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html
> 
There is also something called a Stanley Fish.   
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 10 01:27:02 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:27:02 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Categories of Fish
References: <8A8DE732-C4E0-449D-A9B6-6025C6AB8A69@earthlink.net>
	<475CA730.5070506@opus40.org>
Message-ID: <002e01c83af5$ad912bf0$1da93852@ANNY>

oh yes, in Italian they also have the expression: "boiled fish" or "eyes of 
boiled fish" to define someone who is sort of dumb, at least not very 
active.

From: "TheOldMole" <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:40 AM


>I love this one.
>
> Halvard Johnson wrote:
>> Categories of Fish
>>
>> First, there are the kind that we like to eat,
>> the ones with fins and silvery scales.
>>
>> Then, there are those who walk upright
>> in the evenings. Almost.
>>
>> Then come those who walk backwards
>> until someone tells them not to.
>>
>> There are fish that feed millions from a single
>> basket, a meal that suffices for weeks, even months.
>>
>> Then, there are those that hang out in schools,
>> never wandering off on their own,
>>
>> never graduating, taking a degree,
>> or even declaring a major.
>>
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
>> ================
>> halvard at earthlink.net <mailto:halvard at earthlink.net>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html 
>> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ehalvard/index.html>
>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com <http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/>
>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com 
>> <http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com/>
>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org <http://www.hamiltonstone.org/>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html 
>> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ehalvard/vidalocabooks.html>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
> -- 
> Tad Richards
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>
> The moral is this: in American verse,
> The better you are, the pay is worse.
>  --Corey Ford
>



From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 10 07:25:47 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:25:47 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Mark Young's poems
Message-ID: <000c01c83b27$cb91c330$1fa83852@ANNY>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Anny Ballardini 
To: anny.ballardini at tin.it 
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:38 PM
Subject: [NarcissusWorks] Mark Young's poems


An exceptional choice of poems, a great reading and a precise animated flash assembling for Mark Young on The Continental Review of Nicholas Manning. Do check it out. Here's Mark Young's announcement:

??????????????????????????????????????????????

When I posted to my blog some time back an announcement by Nicholas Manning that he had started an online journal, The Continental Review , devoted to poetry videos, I noted that I hoped it wouldn't become a repository just for talking heads ("don't forget the shoulders," added Nicholas in the comments boxes).

Since then, amongst the poets who have appeared are a number associated with Otoliths; verbal ? Tom Beckett, Jordan Stempleman, Eileen Tabios, Jill Jones ? & visual ? Spencer Selby, Nico Vassilakis. But I felt I should do something about my original statement & practice what I preach, as it were.

So finally, thanks to the informal Networks sans Fronti?res that create community in our (electronic) world, & especially thanks to the creative genius of Marko Niemi, substance has replaced pontifical stance. A video, working title "Three from Series Magritte", has just gone up at The Continental Review

The poems included are:
The Flavour of Tears
Not to be Reproduced
The Art of Conversation
all from from Series Magritte, published by Moria Books.

The readings by Miia Toivio first appeared on Toisen ??nell? ? In Another?s Voice
on the Nokturno.org website.

The design concept & the animated flash file are by Marko Niemi without whom this project would never have been realized.

Check it out at The Continental Review .

Think about contributing your videos.

Cheers
Mark Young


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From jforjames at aol.com  Mon Dec 10 10:58:10 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:58:10 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Essays on Poetry by Ralph Mills, Jr.
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http://www.bookslut.com/poetry/2003_08_000389.php
August 2003
David Harris
poetry
Essays on Poetry by Ralph Mills, Jr.
How much do you love poetry? How deeply do you believe that to understand the poem, you need to understand the poet? If you answer "Not much" to either of these questions, then this book of essays is probably not for you. However, if you are interested in how contemporary American poetry is influenced by the lives of contemporary American poets, this is a detailed, well-informed set of analyses by one of the greatest recent critics of poetry. 


As Michael Anania points out in his introduction to the volume, Mills's essays have the sense of "reading turned outward" -- the essays chronicle Mills's reading and understanding of poetry rather than pretending to be an "official" judgment delivered from on high. With this approach, readers of this volume will find they can compare their readings of the criticized poets to those of Mills. 



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From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:58:38 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Anthology To Inspire The Planet 
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http://pressmediawire.com/article.cfm?articleID=4114
?
New Poetry Anthology To Inspire The Planet? 
?
Published 12/10/2007 - 12:09 a.m. GMTRate This Article: 
?
?
?
(PressMediaWire) NEW YORK - INSPIRE THE PLANET, an important and beautiful anthology of poetry from the members of the Muses and Confidantes community online at www.igotmuse.com, has been published on Thanksgiving Day to bring its compelling message about the power of creativity in making a difference to people all over the world. The book, published by Lulu.com and available worldwide at www.stores.lulu.com/markfogarty (and soon through Amazon.com, Borders and BarnesandNoble.com), represents ?a remarkable flowering of creativity by the Muses and Confidantes community,? according to igotmuse founder Remy Nation. ?Poets from all over the world have collaborated to focus a bright light on issues ranging from the personal to the spiritual, and from the political to the transcendent.?

In just one month, poets from America, England, Spain, Nicaragua, the Sudan and Australia assembled a book?s worth of remarkable narrative and lyric poems through the poetry group and the blogs at igotmuse.com, a creative and social networking website whose members include inspiring and inspired people from 19 countries on all six continents.
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From jforjames at aol.com  Mon Dec 10 10:59:32 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:59:32 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Hip Flask: Short Poems from Ireland 
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http://www.bookslut.com/poetry/2003_07_000153.php

July 2003
James Purdon
poetry
The Hip Flask: Short Poems from Ireland edited by Frank Ormsby


Beware, then: anthologies can be a mixed bag, and must be done well, if done at all. Fortunately, editor Frank Ormsby has managed to do very well indeed, in selecting over a hundred poems for The hip flask: short poems from Ireland. The book finds its strength in its limitations. Ormsby has carefully selected only those poems which will fit easily and aesthetically into each one of the book's small pages and, indeed, into one's memory after only a couple of readings. 


The versatility of this short poetry is the perfect justification for Ormsby's decision. Here is to be found love poetry, sex poetry, poetry in memorial and poetry in anticipation. Poetry in translation from the Gaelic is represented beside a poetry of "San Giovanni," "Padre Pio" and "The Mass": the language of Italian Catholicism fused in Ireland with the very different political and religious connotations of English. 


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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Mon Dec 10 12:11:56 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:11:56 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Anthology To Inspire The Planet
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Don't tell David G., but--without reading a line of this thing--I 
pronounce it crap.

Whee, The Incorrigible



From skip at louisiana.edu  Mon Dec 10 12:52:34 2007
From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:52:34 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Categories of Fish
In-Reply-To: <475CA730.5070506@opus40.org>
Message-ID: <007701c83b55$77f3bb60$f4954682@win.louisiana.edu>

After 29+ years of university teaching, this was bound to
rung clearly in my ears as well. Would that it were written
while listening to a long excuse for a half semester's 
absences.

-----Original Message-----
From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu
[mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of TheOldMole
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 8:41 PM
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Categories of Fish

I love this one.

Halvard Johnson wrote:
> Categories of Fish
>
> First, there are the kind that we like to eat,
> the ones with fins and silvery scales.
>
> Then, there are those who walk upright
> in the evenings. Almost.
>
> Then come those who walk backwards
> until someone tells them not to.
>
> There are fish that feed millions from a single
> basket, a meal that suffices for weeks, even months.
>
> Then, there are those that hang out in schools,
> never wandering off on their own,
>
> never graduating, taking a degree,
> or even declaring a major.
>
>
> Hal
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> halvard at earthlink.net <mailto:halvard at earthlink.net>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html 
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ehalvard/index.html>
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com <http://entropyandme.blogspot.com/>
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com 
> <http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com/>
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org <http://www.hamiltonstone.org/>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html 
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ehalvard/vidalocabooks.html>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford

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From grahamd at ripon.edu  Mon Dec 10 13:01:13 2007
From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:01:13 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Categories of Fish
In-Reply-To: <007701c83b55$77f3bb60$f4954682@win.louisiana.edu>
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On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Skip Fox wrote:
> After 29+ years of university teaching, this was bound to
> rung clearly in my ears as well. Would that it were written
> while listening to a long excuse for a half semester's
> absences.
-------------------

Sure enough.  Roethke's quip about teaching is one I've often thought  
of, especially during final exams:  "lugging pork up Parnassus," he  
called it.

I will admit, though, that the concluding lines of Hal's poem  
conjured in my mind a different figure than the flaky student.   
Personally I've been teaching since Jimmy Carter was President, and  
in all that time of hanging out in schools have never wandered off on  
my own. . . .




>> Then, there are those that hang out in schools,
>> never wandering off on their own,
>>
>> never graduating, taking a degree,
>> or even declaring a major.
>>


========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu

Home Page:
http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html

Poetry Library:
http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
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On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Skip Fox wrote:

> After 29+ years of university teaching, this was bound to
> rung clearly in my ears as well. Would that it were written
> while listening to a long excuse for a half semester's
> absences.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of TheOldMole
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 8:41 PM
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Categories of Fish
>
> I love this one.
>
> Halvard Johnson wrote:
>> Categories of Fish
>>
>> First, there are the kind that we like to eat,
>> the ones with fins and silvery scales.
>>
>> Then, there are those who walk upright
>> in the evenings. Almost.
>>
>> Then come those who walk backwards
>> until someone tells them not to.
>>
>> There are fish that feed millions from a single
>> basket, a meal that suffices for weeks, even months.
>>
>> Then, there are those that hang out in schools,
>> never wandering off on their own,
>>
>> never graduating, taking a degree,
>> or even declaring a major.
>>
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 10 15:19:52 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:19:52 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Anthology To Inspire The Planet
References: <8CA095CA956A3CF-310-36D4@FWM-M10.sysops.aol.com>
	<475D735C.1070006@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <004e01c83b6a$06093ce0$fcaa3852@ANNY>

believe it or not, after having entered their site, I also think it is 
_Krap_ no, not Krapfen,

becoming the Second Terrifying Incorrigible

From: "Bob Grumman" <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:11 PM


> Don't tell David G., but--without reading a line of this thing--I 
> pronounce it crap.
>
> Whee, The Incorrigible
>
> _______________________________________________



From jforjames at aol.com  Mon Dec 10 17:27:41 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:27:41 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Categories of Fish
In-Reply-To: <827D42C7-5D49-4D91-9030-B6631B5A4376@ripon.edu>
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I like the quirkiness of Hal's poem. Sort in the vein of some of James Tate's poems.

The end reminded of a sad figure who I knew slighty many years ago while in St. Louis.
He was a 'PHd candidate in English'; only he really wasn't taking classes or doing his
disertation...he was just sort of hanging around the school, showing up at 
various readings and seminars, but not really part of the program any more.
It seemed like he had some?mental issues...but nothing that would trouble the academic?milieu.
Other students and faculty mostly ignored him or politely tolerated his being around.
If you wore the right kind of blazer and you stood against the oaken walls of the 
seminar room, you could be pretty much invisible.
Finnegan

-----Original Message-----
From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
Bcc: jforjames at aol.com
Sent: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 1:01 pm
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Categories of Fish









On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Skip Fox wrote:


After 29+ years of university teaching, this was bound to

rung clearly in my ears as well. Would that it were written

while listening to a long excuse for a half semester's?

absences.

-------------------




Sure enough. ?Roethke's quip about teaching is one I've often thought of, especially during final exams: ?"lugging pork up Parnassus," he called it.




I will admit, though, that the concluding lines of Hal's poem conjured in my mind a different figure than the flaky student. ?Personally I've been teaching since Jimmy Carter was President, and in all that time of hanging out in schools have never wandered off on my own. . . .
















Then, there are those that hang out in schools,

never wandering off on their own,




never graduating, taking a degree,

or even declaring a major.










========================================

David Graham

grahamd at ripon.edu




Home Page:

http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html




Poetry Library:

http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html

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On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Skip Fox wrote:



After 29+ years of university teaching, this was bound to

rung clearly in my ears as well. Would that it were written

while listening to a long excuse for a half semester's?

absences.




-----Original Message-----

From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu

[mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of TheOldMole

Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 8:41 PM

To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views

Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Categories of Fish




I love this one.




Halvard Johnson wrote:


Categories of Fish




First, there are the kind that we like to eat,

the ones with fins and silvery scales.




Then, there are those who walk upright

in the evenings. Almost.




Then come those who walk backwards

until someone tells them not to.




There are fish that feed millions from a single

basket, a meal that suffices for weeks, even months.




Then, there are those that hang out in schools,

never wandering off on their own,




never graduating, taking a degree,

or even declaring a major.







Hal




Halvard Johnson



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From GrahamD at ripon.edu  Mon Dec 10 18:03:02 2007
From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (David Graham)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:03:02 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] His life is his punishment
Message-ID: <2EC173C7-D402-44CD-A6E5-02410051B8B1@ripon.edu>

In Exile

Dante wrote his wife, Gemma, about his garden
which grew double-breasted roses & plum trees,
but this was in Ravenna, where he lived in exile
for twenty years.  It's enough to say he knew something
about Hell, but exile is a strange business & memory
is a kind of Hell & longing, too. Which reminds me
of my uncle Jake who worked in a movie house watching
the same films like one of Dante's sinners replaying
the same crime. Each night he listened to his police radio
in his room off our kitchen & wrote letters to editors
about busted traffic lights & birds starving to death.
When he died I found fifteen shopping bags full of girlie books
& badly rhymed poems about loneliness & unregenerate love.
Dante came out of his room once in a while. He understood
passion & divine punishment & knew there was more to passion
than everlasting fire. Where in his kingdom of the damned
would Jake fit? Jake, who crouched behind his bureau,
rubbing at himself like the sinners Dante placed in a pit,
each damned to gnaw the other's head for eternity. But
their punishment amplified their lives. There's transcendence
in such agony. But there was nothing metaphysical about Jake,
who sat hunched on his perch beside the screen, imprisoned
in his blasphemous fantasy & rage. Ah, Jake, a man who cannot love
is forever exiled from himself. His life is his punishment.
Think of Dante alone in his garden where the starry skies
lit up in realms of fire, music & light. Think of him scribbling
his remorseful visions all night, longing for Florence, for Gemma.
In his every word there is the pain of celebration. Yes, beauty lost
is still splendid in its reinvention. But what about Jake,
whose shoes didn't fit & who cut himself shaving every morning--
Jake, for whom there is no music of the spheres or the forgiveness
of light & who will never again behold the cold passion of the stars.

--Philip Schultz.  Deep Within the Ravine.  Penguin Books, 1984.





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From jforjames at aol.com  Mon Dec 10 19:19:13 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:19:13 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?the_ethics_of_attention_in_Derek_Walcott?=
	=?utf-8?b?4oCZcyBPbWVyb3Mu?=
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http://luc8.wordpress.com/work/dissertation/omeros-poetry-proximity-and-the-ethics-of-attention/omeros-and-attention/

way-making
Omeros and Attention
Posted by luc8 on November 3rd, 2007 
Nearing what is Human:
Poetry, proximity and the ethics of attention in Derek Walcott?s Omeros. 


In what follows I will be focusing on the work of St Lucian poet Derek Walcott. In a reading of the opening passage of his epic Omeros, I will focus on the notion of attention, constituted by Heideggerian notions of nearness, care, and letting-be. I will be seeking ways in which these poems undergo, and impose upon us a pre-rational encounter similar to that suggested by Levinas - an encounter located in attention, in immediate proximity, but with the additional movement of letting-be, or what Heidegger referred to as Gelassenheit: the act of nearing without seizing or possessing.


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From jforjames at aol.com  Mon Dec 10 19:26:49 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:26:49 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Schultz's Failure
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http://www.slate.com/id/2164575/
"Failure"
By Philip Schultz
Posted Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2007, at 11:13 AM ET 
Click here to listen to Philip Schultz read this poem.

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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 19:45:53 2007
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:45:53 -0700
Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[New-Poetry]_the_ethics_of_at?=
	=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?tention_in_Derek_Walcott=92s_Omeros.?=
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Well, that paragraph is enough to send me running away away away.  I
used to like Walcott.  Sometimes: Blessed be inattention.

- Jim

On 12/10/07, jforjames at aol.com <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
>
> http://luc8.wordpress.com/work/dissertation/omeros-poetry-proximity-and-the-ethics-of-attention/omeros-and-attention/
> way-making
>  Omeros and Attention
>  Posted by luc8 on November 3rd, 2007
>  Nearing what is Human:
>  Poetry, proximity and the ethics of attention in Derek Walcott's Omeros.
>
>  In what follows I will be focusing on the work of St Lucian poet Derek
> Walcott. In a reading of the opening passage of his epic Omeros, I will
> focus on the notion of attention, constituted by Heideggerian notions of
> nearness, care, and letting-be. I will be seeking ways in which these poems
> undergo, and impose upon us a pre-rational encounter similar to that
> suggested by Levinas - an encounter located in attention, in immediate
> proximity, but with the additional movement of letting-be, or what Heidegger
> referred to as Gelassenheit: the act of nearing without seizing or
> possessing.
>
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From rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu  Mon Dec 10 19:54:11 2007
From: rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu (rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:54:11 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] the ethics of attention in Derek
	=?iso-8859-1?b?V2FsY290dOKAmXM=?= Omeros.
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Quoting jforjames at aol.com:

>
>
http://luc8.wordpress.com/work/dissertation/omeros-poetry-proximity-and-the-ethics-of-attention/omeros-and-attention/
>
> way-making
> Omeros and Attention
> Posted by luc8 on November 3rd, 2007
> Nearing what is Human:
> Poetry, proximity and the ethics of attention in Derek Walcott???s Omeros.
>
>
> In what follows I will be focusing on the work of St Lucian poet Derek
> Walcott. In a reading of the opening passage of his epic Omeros, I will focus
> on the notion of attention, constituted by Heideggerian notions of nearness,
> care, and letting-be. I will be seeking ways in which these poems undergo,
> and impose upon us a pre-rational encounter similar to that suggested by
> Levinas - an encounter located in attention, in immediate proximity, but with
> the additional movement of letting-be, or what Heidegger referred to as
> Gelassenheit: the act of nearing without seizing or possessing.

Say whaaaaaat????

Richard W. Wilsnack
rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu




From cstroffo at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 10 20:29:23 2007
From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:29:23 -0800
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[New-Poetry]_the_ethics_of_attention_in_Derek?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?_Walcott=E2=80=99s_Omeros.?=
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Are you referring to his terminology?

I can be fascinated by how different people seem to be saying  
basically the "same thing" with different vocabularies.
While I personally don't get too into that particular style of  
vocabulary (and those allusions Heidegger Levinas)
"an encounter located in attention, in immediate proximity"--
for perhaps wrongly of me I've a prejudice against the connotational  
style--
I like translating such specialized languages into other ways of  
speaking...
for instance, what he's saying is kinda like "Negative capability"
(or that Keats phrase "irritable groping after certainty" or is it  
"certainties?"
"the ability to live in doubt...")
Perhaps it's a more 'common' and therefore 'less subtle' way--
or, one could hair-split and get deeply into the differences between
what Heidegger or Levinas meant and what Keats meant, or what you or  
I could mean,
but words like "doubt" "groping" "seizing" "possessing" "attention"  
and such....
It doesn't really bug me, unless the writer starts acting like
1) the idea originated in Heidegger or Levinas
or 2) that H or L (or whoever) provide an explanatory grid that the  
poem (by Walcott or whoever) needs
when it's really just a matter of analogy...
(it reminds me of when a famous literary critic was asked whether  
he'd consider doing a Freudian reading
of Shakespeare, and he replied, it would be better, more interesting,  
profound, to do a Shakespearian reading of Freud..."
Or, one could take that further and do, say, a George Carlinian  
reading of a Shakespearian reading of Freud, etc....

This probably doesn't clarify anything about the relationships  
between "criticism" and "poetry" to anybody else but myself, so I'll  
stop...now!

C
On Dec 10, 2007, at 4:54 PM, rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu wrote:

> Quoting jforjames at aol.com:
>
>>
>>
> http://luc8.wordpress.com/work/dissertation/omeros-poetry-proximity- 
> and-the-ethics-of-attention/omeros-and-attention/
>>
>> way-making
>> Omeros and Attention
>> Posted by luc8 on November 3rd, 2007
>> Nearing what is Human:
>> Poetry, proximity and the ethics of attention in Derek Walcott???s  
>> Omeros.
>>
>>
>> In what follows I will be focusing on the work of St Lucian poet  
>> Derek
>> Walcott. In a reading of the opening passage of his epic Omeros, I  
>> will focus
>> on the notion of attention, constituted by Heideggerian notions of  
>> nearness,
>> care, and letting-be. I will be seeking ways in which these poems  
>> undergo,
>> and impose upon us a pre-rational encounter similar to that  
>> suggested by
>> Levinas - an encounter located in attention, in immediate  
>> proximity, but with
>> the additional movement of letting-be, or what Heidegger referred  
>> to as
>> Gelassenheit: the act of nearing without seizing or possessing.
>
> Say whaaaaaat????
>
> Richard W. Wilsnack
> rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu
>
>
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From jforjames at aol.com  Mon Dec 10 21:02:40 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:02:40 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] substitution of terms: Dewey
Message-ID: <8CA09B10BA34BC2-228-23F6@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com>


?if we once start thinking, no one can guarantee where we shall come out ? except to say that many ends, objects, and institutions are doomed. Every thinker puts some portion of an apparently stable world in peril, and no one can wholly predict what will emerge in its place.? 
--John Dewey

?if we once start writing poetry, no one can guarantee where we shall come out ? except to say that many ends, objects, and institutions are doomed. Every poet puts some portion of an apparently stable world in peril, and no one can wholly predict what will emerge in its place.? 


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Tue Dec 11 07:17:45 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:17:45 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Cormac McCarthy
Message-ID: <003001c83bef$d748bcb0$f9de3052@ANNY>

I just finished (this morning) reading The Road. Oh well, a couple of tears did drop down or better I read the last pages with a couple of thorns stinging my eyes from the inside. I pedantically state that since I suffered so much I can't but love this book.


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From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:34:29 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Cormac McCarthy
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I reread this a week or two ago. I had read it before becoming a parent,  but 
it was much tougher this time through.



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From chris.lott at gmail.com  Tue Dec 11 10:11:53 2007
From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:11:53 -0900
Subject: [New-Poetry] Schultz's Failure
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On Dec 10, 2007 3:26 PM,  <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
> http://www.slate.com/id/2164575/
>  "Failure"
>  By Philip Schultz

Well, that answers my questions (who is this person and is he still
writing) before I could ask them... thanks.

c


From chris.lott at gmail.com  Tue Dec 11 10:20:07 2007
From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:20:07 -0900
Subject: [New-Poetry] Anthology To Inspire The Planet
In-Reply-To: <475D735C.1070006@nut-n-but.net>
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On Dec 10, 2007 8:11 AM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote:
> Don't tell David G., but--without reading a line of this thing--I
> pronounce it crap.
>
> Whee, The Incorrigible

You clearly don't got muse.

Don't fear it, Bob! Imagine all the poets, living in harmony...

c


From jforjames at aol.com  Tue Dec 11 10:24:00 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:24:00 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Schultz's Failure
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The staff here at NewPoetry stands ready to serve
your every whim and desire, even it means reading 
your mind.
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On Dec 10, 2007 3:26 PM,  <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
> http://www.slate.com/id/2164575/
>  "Failure"
>  By Philip Schultz

Well, that answers my questions (who is this person and is he still
writing) before I could ask them... thanks.

c
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Tue Dec 11 17:42:31 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:42:31 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Schultz's Failure
References: <8CA09A3A7647AA5-E58-2C3B@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com><9b1b9dab0712110711x11a99c7en5a34079c6631b1bb@mail.gmail.com>
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Something like a big Santa Claus! I sometimes forget things like these, :-)
  From: jforjames at aol.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:24 PM


  The staff here at NewPoetry stands ready to serve
  your every whim and desire, even it means reading 
  your mind.
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  Bcc: jforjames at aol.com
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  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Schultz's Failure


On Dec 10, 2007 3:26 PM,  <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:
> http://www.slate.com/id/2164575/
>  "Failure"
>  By Philip Schultz

Well, that answers my questions (who is this person and is he still
writing) before I could ask them... thanks.

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From grahamd at ripon.edu  Wed Dec 12 11:44:54 2007
From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:44:54 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Susan Firer
Message-ID: <28A63368-6434-4621-AA8E-1802811452FB@ripon.edu>

I hope I'm not the only fan of the poems of Susan Firer, who's  
featured today on Verse Daily.

http://www.versedaily.org/2007/halofactory.shtml

The featured poem is from the "new" section of her new-and-selected  
volume, charmingly titled *Milwaukee Does Strange Things To People*,  
from Backwaters Press.  A most welcome volume, one I hope gains her  
some greater recognition.  The new poems amount to a generous-sized  
book in themselves:  there are 75 pages of previously uncollected  
poems along with selections from her four previous books.

The Verse Daily page will also take you to a little selection of  
other poems, if you're not familiar with her work.




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From skip at louisiana.edu  Wed Dec 12 12:08:43 2007
From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:08:43 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Susan Firer
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Message-ID: <000501c83ce1$ac114420$f4954682@win.louisiana.edu>

"He is running after / Grace. The brain's spunk."  (Sticky appositive.) She
got me with that one and held me fast throughout.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:45 AM
To: NewPoetry &amp; Views
Subject: [New-Poetry] Susan Firer

 

I hope I'm not the only fan of the poems of Susan Firer, who's featured
today on Verse Daily.

 

http://www.versedaily.org/2007/halofactory.shtml

 

The featured poem is from the "new" section of her new-and-selected volume,
charmingly titled *Milwaukee Does Strange Things To People*, from Backwaters
Press.  A most welcome volume, one I hope gains her some greater
recognition.  The new poems amount to a generous-sized book in themselves:
there are 75 pages of previously uncollected poems along with selections
from her four previous books.

 

The Verse Daily page will also take you to a little selection of other
poems, if you're not familiar with her work.  

 

 

 

 

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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Wed Dec 12 12:08:15 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:08:15 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Susan Firer
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I dio like that onbe.

David Graham wrote:
> I hope I'm not the only fan of the poems of Susan Firer, who's 
> featured today on Verse Daily.
>
> http://www.versedaily.org/2007/halofactory.shtml
>
> The featured poem is from the "new" section of her new-and-selected 
> volume, charmingly titled *Milwaukee Does Strange Things To People*, 
> from Backwaters Press.  A most welcome volume, one I hope gains her 
> some greater recognition.  The new poems amount to a generous-sized 
> book in themselves:  there are 75 pages of previously uncollected 
> poems along with selections from her four previous books.
>
> The Verse Daily page will also take you to a little selection of other 
> poems, if you're not familiar with her work.  
>
>  
>
>
> ========================================
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> grahamd at ripon.edu <mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu>
>
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> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html
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The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
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From jforjames at aol.com  Wed Dec 12 14:41:08 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:41:08 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] litmag watch: canopic jar
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From jforjames at aol.com  Wed Dec 12 14:45:28 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:45:28 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poet of the Month
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I'll top David's Verse Daily pick. Someone I know is Poet of the Month...



?

http://poetrynet.org/month/index.htm.

?

Clare Rossini

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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Wed Dec 12 15:21:03 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:21:03 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poet of the Month or Poetry versus Painting
References: <C96C8A373824B94DA9031876D5BBC900031671BF@Exbe2.cmpcntr.tc.trincoll.edu>
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What does Tad Richards think, and what do I think, or other people who try or tried to master both?

"My husband is a painter, and he often says he envies poets-"You guys can just come out and say what you mean," he says.  Oh, honey!  Mine has been a long abidance with words, and I still feel the frustration of how often they come up short.  There's this diffuse image-thought-energy-emotion nebula floating around in the head, with patches of darkness and quivers of light.  And on the page, draft after draft after draft, all taking stabs at getting it down, much less getting it right.  The writing process is a long interior conversation, with all parts of the self, and it dwindles at times to a self-interrogation, without the strobes.  What comes out of all this?  Sometimes pitifully little. Death, especially, exposes the limitations of language.  Every funeral or memorial service I've been to has made me aware that language, like some kind of old-fashioned, fussy wallpaper, merely covers over all the bumps and crevasses.  On the other hand, without hymns or homilies or poems, how would we deal with the rotten luck of our mortality?  Let's face it, after awhile, the silence gets to you."

Clare Rossini


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  I'll top David's Verse Daily pick. Someone I know is Poet of the Month...


  http://poetrynet.org/month/index.htm.

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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Wed Dec 12 18:56:35 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:56:35 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poet of the Month or Poetry versus Painting
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I always thought, until I started doing it, that painting was much 
easier, because you didn't have to come up with a subject -- you could 
just go find a tree, or a nude, or the dishes in your sink, and start 
painting. And actually I still do think that, to some extent.

But I'd mostly take issue with Mr. Clare Rossini on the question of just 
coming out and saying what you mean. I go along with whoever said if 
know what you want to say, it's by definition not worth saying. And if 
it was me that said that, then I go along with me.

When I draw or paint, I do it with my hand and eye -- I try to engage my 
conscious mind in the process as little as possible. That's why, even 
though I've done all those poetry portraits, I'm never really happy 
doing portraits, because you have to think -- what does this person 
really look like? What do I have to do to capture that?



Anny Ballardini wrote:
> What does Tad Richards think, and what do I think, or other people who 
> try or tried to master both?
> "My husband is a painter, and he often says he envies poets??You guys 
> can just come out and say what you mean,? he says. Oh, honey! Mine has 
> been a long abidance with words, and I still feel the frustration of 
> how often they come up short. There?s this diffuse 
> image-thought-energy-emotion nebula floating around in the head, with 
> patches of darkness and quivers of light. And on the page, draft after 
> draft after draft, all taking stabs at getting it down, much less 
> getting it right. The writing process is a long interior conversation, 
> with all parts of the self, and it dwindles at times to a 
> self-interrogation, without the strobes. What comes out of all this? 
> Sometimes pitifully little. Death, especially, exposes the limitations 
> of language. Every funeral or memorial service I?ve been to has made 
> me aware that language, like some kind of old-fashioned, fussy 
> wallpaper, merely covers over all the bumps and crevasses. On the 
> other hand, without hymns or homilies or poems, how would we deal with 
> the rotten luck of our mortality? Let?s face it, after awhile, the 
> silence gets to you."
> Clare Rossini
>
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The moral is this: in American verse,
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  --Corey Ford



From jforjames at aol.com  Wed Dec 12 19:14:19 2007
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:14:19 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Zimbabwe
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THE African Drums Poetry Book Tour - a poetry gala attracting some regional artists - was on Monday inaugurated at Alliance Francaise in Harare ending this evening.

More than 60 poets are taking part in the festival that is running under the theme: Celebrating the Energy and Culture of Words.


A brainchild of poet Mbizo Chirasha, the festival which seeks to promote collaborative efforts among Sadc artists, has also attracted some big names in Zimbabwean literature as guest speakers.


"This programme is the first of its kind in Zimbabwe by young poets who want to see the culture of appreciation and growth of poetry in Africa.


"This is the time for poets and writers to be innovative, progressive, idealistic, creative, " said Chirasha.

Susan Haimbala, a performance poet from Namibia, said the festival was instrumental in integrating regional poets.

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From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:31:01 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] it's all sh*t
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http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s1i27535

It was once a byword for romance and sophistication - the literary form of choice for tentative suitors and genteel fops alike, but new research published today has revealed that poetry is, as many had feared, "pretentious, cumbersome and utterly without merit." 


It is news that will devastate emotionally retarded adolescent girls and intense, goatee-bearded coffee shop denizens everywhere. 


The author of the painstakingly compiled 1500 page report titled Poetry: Really, what is the Point? is esteemed Cambridge University professor Ronald M. Smythe, a notoriously straight-talking ex-army officer.


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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Wed Dec 12 19:33:32 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:33:32 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] WorldPo: Zimbabwe
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An interview with Mbizo Chirasha here -- 
http://oneghanaonevoice.com/2007/11/author-profile-mbizo-chirasha.html

And a poem:


      Anthem of the Black Poet - Mbizo Chirasha
      <http://oneghanaonevoice.com/2007/11/anthem-of-black-poet-mbizo-chirasha.html>


the succulent breast of mother africa oozes with the milk of black 
renaissance
the rich womb of africa germinates seeds of black consciousness
the black blood bubbles with identity of africanness
the sweat of my brows flows with the revolutions from slavery to 
independence

i am the black poet
i am the black poet
black valleys bloom with flowers of nehandaness
african horizons shine with the rays of nkurumahness
black streets coloured with rainbows of mandelaness
black soil creamed with the wisdom of mugabeness
black spears sharpened with the conscience of bikoness

i am the black poet
i sing of black culture bleaching in oceans of coca cola
i sing of black culture fried in cauldrons of floridization
i sing of black culture gambled in the dark streets of sunset hills
i sing of black culture burning in computer ages

i am the black poet
i sing of kings and their people
i sing of black kings and their people
i sing of the dead souls of black history
i sing of the rising spirits of black renaissance
i sing of the rising souls of black consciousness
i sing for the rising spirits of pan-africanness

i am the stone you left for the dead
i am the tree bark oozing with the blood of age
i am the riverbed flowing with the mucus of age

i am the affidavit of black empowerment that requires your stamp
i am the title deed of black emancipation that needs your signature
i am the memorandum of black reparations that needs your fingerprint
i am the certificate of black repatriation that needs your identity card

i am the stone you left for the dead
i am the tree bark oozing with the blood of age
i am the river bed flowing with the mucus of age

my mind is a drainage pipe pumping out acids of mental suppression
my mind is a drainage pipe pumping out cyanides of racial discrimination
my mind is a drainage pipe pumping nitrates of economic dispossession

i am the stone you left for the dead
i am the tree bark oozing with the blood of age
i am the riverbed flowing with the mucus of age

my gun is the rose of our freedom
my bullet is the nectar of our reconciliation
my bomb is the petal of our democracy
my gun is our 1980 celebrations
my bullet is our 1987 political revision

i am the stone you left for the dead
i am the tree bark oozing with the blood of age
i am the river bed flowing with the mucus of age

is abortion a solution to overpopulation
is demolition a solution to pollution
is corruption a shortcut to poverty reduction
is balkanization a shortcut to colonization
is condomization a shotcut to hiv mitigation

HIV/AIDS has become a business
an import and export product like coca cola in america and nokia in berlin

i am the stone you left for the dead
i am the tree bark oozing with the blood of age
i am the the river bed flowing with the mucus of age

  
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jforjames at aol.com wrote:
> Zimbabwe: Festival Attracts 60 Poets
>
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> The Herald <http://www.herald.co.zw/> (Harare)
> 12 December 2007
> Posted to the web 12 December 2007
> Trust Khosa
> Harare
>
> THE African Drums Poetry Book Tour - a poetry gala attracting some 
> regional artists - was on Monday inaugurated at Alliance Francaise in 
> Harare ending this evening.
> More than 60 poets are taking part in the festival that is running 
> under the theme: Celebrating the Energy and Culture of Words.
>
> A brainchild of poet Mbizo Chirasha, the festival which seeks to 
> promote collaborative efforts among Sadc artists, has also attracted 
> some big names in Zimbabwean literature as guest speakers.
>
> "This programme is the first of its kind in Zimbabwe by young poets 
> who want to see the culture of appreciation and growth of poetry in 
> Africa.
>
> "This is the time for poets and writers to be innovative, progressive, 
> idealistic, creative, " said Chirasha.
> Susan Haimbala, a performance poet from Namibia, said the festival was 
> instrumental in integrating regional poets.
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The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu  Wed Dec 12 19:38:41 2007
From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel )
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:38:41 -0800
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Thanks for this update; good followup to a report I posted at
http://www.munyori.com/writingworld.html
 
The Zimbabwean poetic scene is growing and much poetry, judging by the
submissions I am receiving, response to the country's socio-economic
situation. 

________________________________

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Zimbabwe: Festival Attracts 60 Poets

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The Herald <http://www.herald.co.zw/>  (Harare)
12 December 2007
Posted to the web 12 December 2007
Trust Khosa
Harare

THE African Drums Poetry Book Tour - a poetry gala attracting some
regional artists - was on Monday inaugurated at Alliance Francaise in
Harare ending this evening.
More than 60 poets are taking part in the festival that is running under
the theme: Celebrating the Energy and Culture of Words.

A brainchild of poet Mbizo Chirasha, the festival which seeks to promote
collaborative efforts among Sadc artists, has also attracted some big
names in Zimbabwean literature as guest speakers.

"This programme is the first of its kind in Zimbabwe by young poets who
want to see the culture of appreciation and growth of poetry in Africa.

"This is the time for poets and writers to be innovative, progressive,
idealistic, creative, " said Chirasha.
Susan Haimbala, a performance poet from Namibia, said the festival was
instrumental in integrating regional poets.
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From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
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Professor Smythe on Poetry


A learned professor named Smythe
Reviewed thousands of texts and was blithe
"As a waste, it's colossal,
As art it's a fossil,
Let's cut it all down with a scythe."

jforjames at aol.com wrote:
> http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s1i27535
>
> It was once a byword for romance and sophistication - the literary 
> form of choice for tentative suitors and genteel fops alike, but new 
> research published today has revealed that poetry is, as many had 
> feared, "pretentious, cumbersome and utterly without merit."
>
> It is news that will devastate emotionally retarded adolescent girls 
> and intense, goatee-bearded coffee shop denizens everywhere.
>
> The author of the painstakingly compiled 1500 page report titled 
> Poetry: Really, what is the Point? is esteemed Cambridge University 
> professor Ronald M. Smythe, a notoriously straight-talking ex-army 
> officer.
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The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Wed Dec 12 19:46:36 2007
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:46:36 EST
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Smythe, My Man!  Or maybe not My Man.  Whatever.   
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From halvard at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 12 12:39:13 2007
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:39:13 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Sonnet Zork
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Sonnet Zork

You are standing in an open field west
of a white house, with a boarded front
door. There is a small mailbox here.

Within the mailbox lies an envelope
containing a white powdery substance.
The envelope?s stamp has not been

cancelled, and a message from the PO
says there?s still twenty-two cents due.
But who, when you?re dead, will pay?

Who will pay when you?re dead?



Hal

Halvard Johnson
================
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Dec 13 16:34:59 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:59 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poet of the Month or Poetry versus Painting
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Thank you Tad. I agree with the non-thinking aspect, not specifically in 
painting. I just picked up crochet, and yes, that was not to think. But even 
with crochet you have to think if you want to make something, so I just 
worked straight through, a long narrow senseless stripe.

And yes, with portraits you have to apply your self, but also with trees, 
and leaves (ah how difficult those leaves) to give them volume and 
credibility and shades and light... My poor poor head, if only I had a spare 
one to use once in a while, :-)

From: "TheOldMole" <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:56 AM


>I always thought, until I started doing it, that painting was much easier, 
>because you didn't have to come up with a subject -- you could just go find 
>a tree, or a nude, or the dishes in your sink, and start painting. And 
>actually I still do think that, to some extent.
>
> But I'd mostly take issue with Mr. Clare Rossini on the question of just 
> coming out and saying what you mean. I go along with whoever said if know 
> what you want to say, it's by definition not worth saying. And if it was 
> me that said that, then I go along with me.
>
> When I draw or paint, I do it with my hand and eye -- I try to engage my 
> conscious mind in the process as little as possible. That's why, even 
> though I've done all those poetry portraits, I'm never really happy doing 
> portraits, because you have to think -- what does this person really look 
> like? What do I have to do to capture that?
>
>
>
> Anny Ballardini wrote:
>> What does Tad Richards think, and what do I think, or other people who 
>> try or tried to master both?
>> "My husband is a painter, and he often says he envies poets??You guys can 
>> just come out and say what you mean,? he says. Oh, honey! Mine has been a 
>> long abidance with words, and I still feel the frustration of how often 
>> they come up short. There?s this diffuse image-thought-energy-emotion 
>> nebula floating around in the head, with patches of darkness and quivers 
>> of light. And on the page, draft after draft after draft, all taking 
>> stabs at getting it down, much less getting it right. The writing process 
>> is a long interior conversation, with all parts of the self, and it 
>> dwindles at times to a self-interrogation, without the strobes. What 
>> comes out of all this? Sometimes pitifully little. Death, especially, 
>> exposes the limitations of language. Every funeral or memorial service I?ve 
>> been to has made me aware that language, like some kind of old-fashioned, 
>> fussy wallpaper, merely covers over all the bumps and crevasses. On the 
>> other hand, without hymns or homilies or poems, how would we deal with 
>> the rotten luck of our mortality? Let?s face it, after awhile, the 
>> silence gets to you."
>> Clare Rossini
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     *From:* jforjames at aol.com <mailto:jforjames at aol.com>
>>     *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu <mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:45 PM
>>     *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poet of the Month
>>
>>     I'll top David's Verse Daily pick. Someone I know is Poet of the
>>     Month...
>>     http://poetrynet.org/month/index.htm.
>>     Clare Rossini
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>
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> Tad Richards
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>
> The moral is this: in American verse,
> The better you are, the pay is worse.
>  --Corey Ford
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Dec 13 16:37:10 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:37:10 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: American Life in Poetry: Column 142
Message-ID: <00f801c83dd0$514aaf00$dee03652@ANNY>



> Welcome to American Life in Poetry. For information on permissions and usage, or to download a PDF version of the column, visit www.americanlifeinpoetry.org.
> 
> ******************************
> 
> American Life in Poetry: Column 142
> 
> BY TED KOOSER, U.S. POET LAUREATE, 2004-2006
> 
Linda Gregg
> 
> Elegance
> 
> All that is uncared for.
> Left alone in the stillness
> in that pure silence married
> to the stillness of nature.
> A door off its hinges,
> shade and shadows in an empty room.
> Leaks for light. Raw where
> the tin roof rusted through.
> The rustle of weeds in their
> different kinds of air in the mornings,
> year after year.
> A pecan tree, and the house
> made out of mud bricks. Accurate
> and unexpected beauty, rattling
> and singing. If not to the sun,
> then to nothing and to no one.
> 
> 
> American Life in Poetry is made possible by The Poetry Foundation (www.poetryfoundation.org), publisher of Poetry magazine. It is also supported by the Department of English at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Poem copyright (c) 2006 by Linda Gregg. Reprinted from "In the Middle Distance," Graywolf Press, 2006, by Linda Gregg, with permission of the author and publisher. Introduction copyright (c) 2007 by The Poetry Foundation.  The introduction's author, Ted Kooser, served as United States Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress from 2004-2006.  We do not accept unsolicited manuscripts. 
> 
> ******************************
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Yeah, but there's not the same kind of obligation to that particular 
tree, and the tree won't get mad if you don't meet its standards. The 
volume and credibility and shades of light come from a different place.

Anny Ballardini wrote:
> Thank you Tad. I agree with the non-thinking aspect, not specifically 
> in painting. I just picked up crochet, and yes, that was not to think. 
> But even with crochet you have to think if you want to make something, 
> so I just worked straight through, a long narrow senseless stripe.
>
> And yes, with portraits you have to apply your self, but also with 
> trees, and leaves (ah how difficult those leaves) to give them volume 
> and credibility and shades and light... My poor poor head, if only I 
> had a spare one to use once in a while, :-)
>
> From: "TheOldMole" <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:56 AM
>
>
>> I always thought, until I started doing it, that painting was much 
>> easier, because you didn't have to come up with a subject -- you 
>> could just go find a tree, or a nude, or the dishes in your sink, and 
>> start painting. And actually I still do think that, to some extent.
>>
>> But I'd mostly take issue with Mr. Clare Rossini on the question of 
>> just coming out and saying what you mean. I go along with whoever 
>> said if know what you want to say, it's by definition not worth 
>> saying. And if it was me that said that, then I go along with me.
>>
>> When I draw or paint, I do it with my hand and eye -- I try to engage 
>> my conscious mind in the process as little as possible. That's why, 
>> even though I've done all those poetry portraits, I'm never really 
>> happy doing portraits, because you have to think -- what does this 
>> person really look like? What do I have to do to capture that?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anny Ballardini wrote:
>>> What does Tad Richards think, and what do I think, or other people 
>>> who try or tried to master both?
>>> "My husband is a painter, and he often says he envies poets??You 
>>> guys can just come out and say what you mean,? he says. Oh, honey! 
>>> Mine has been a long abidance with words, and I still feel the 
>>> frustration of how often they come up short. There?s this diffuse 
>>> image-thought-energy-emotion nebula floating around in the head, 
>>> with patches of darkness and quivers of light. And on the page, 
>>> draft after draft after draft, all taking stabs at getting it down, 
>>> much less getting it right. The writing process is a long interior 
>>> conversation, with all parts of the self, and it dwindles at times 
>>> to a self-interrogation, without the strobes. What comes out of all 
>>> this? Sometimes pitifully little. Death, especially, exposes the 
>>> limitations of language. Every funeral or memorial service I?ve been 
>>> to has made me aware that language, like some kind of old-fashioned, 
>>> fussy wallpaper, merely covers over all the bumps and crevasses. On 
>>> the other hand, without hymns or homilies or poems, how would we 
>>> deal with the rotten luck of our mortality? Let?s face it, after 
>>> awhile, the silence gets to you."
>>> Clare Rossini
>>>
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>     *From:* jforjames at aol.com <mailto:jforjames at aol.com>
>>>     *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
>>> <mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:45 PM
>>>     *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poet of the Month
>>>
>>>     I'll top David's Verse Daily pick. Someone I know is Poet of the
>>>     Month...
>>>     http://poetrynet.org/month/index.htm.
>>>     Clare Rossini
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>> The moral is this: in American verse,
>> The better you are, the pay is worse.
>>  --Corey Ford
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The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Dec 13 17:07:30 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:07:30 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poet of the Month or Poetry versus Painting
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oh well, you say it won't get mad...

From: "TheOldMole" <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:45 PM


> Yeah, but there's not the same kind of obligation to that particular tree, 
> and the tree won't get mad if you don't meet its standards. The volume and 
> credibility and shades of light come from a different place.
>
> Anny Ballardini wrote:
>> Thank you Tad. I agree with the non-thinking aspect, not specifically in 
>> painting. I just picked up crochet, and yes, that was not to think. But 
>> even with crochet you have to think if you want to make something, so I 
>> just worked straight through, a long narrow senseless stripe.
>>
>> And yes, with portraits you have to apply your self, but also with trees, 
>> and leaves (ah how difficult those leaves) to give them volume and 
>> credibility and shades and light... My poor poor head, if only I had a 
>> spare one to use once in a while, :-)
>>
>> From: "TheOldMole" <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:56 AM
>>
>>
>>> I always thought, until I started doing it, that painting was much 
>>> easier, because you didn't have to come up with a subject -- you could 
>>> just go find a tree, or a nude, or the dishes in your sink, and start 
>>> painting. And actually I still do think that, to some extent.
>>>
>>> But I'd mostly take issue with Mr. Clare Rossini on the question of just 
>>> coming out and saying what you mean. I go along with whoever said if 
>>> know what you want to say, it's by definition not worth saying. And if 
>>> it was me that said that, then I go along with me.
>>>
>>> When I draw or paint, I do it with my hand and eye -- I try to engage my 
>>> conscious mind in the process as little as possible. That's why, even 
>>> though I've done all those poetry portraits, I'm never really happy 
>>> doing portraits, because you have to think -- what does this person 
>>> really look like? What do I have to do to capture that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anny Ballardini wrote:
>>>> What does Tad Richards think, and what do I think, or other people who 
>>>> try or tried to master both?
>>>> "My husband is a painter, and he often says he envies poets??You guys 
>>>> can just come out and say what you mean,? he says. Oh, honey! Mine has 
>>>> been a long abidance with words, and I still feel the frustration of 
>>>> how often they come up short. There?s this diffuse 
>>>> image-thought-energy-emotion nebula floating around in the head, with 
>>>> patches of darkness and quivers of light. And on the page, draft after 
>>>> draft after draft, all taking stabs at getting it down, much less 
>>>> getting it right. The writing process is a long interior conversation, 
>>>> with all parts of the self, and it dwindles at times to a 
>>>> self-interrogation, without the strobes. What comes out of all this? 
>>>> Sometimes pitifully little. Death, especially, exposes the limitations 
>>>> of language. Every funeral or memorial service I?ve been to has made me 
>>>> aware that language, like some kind of old-fashioned, fussy wallpaper, 
>>>> merely covers over all the bumps and crevasses. On the other hand, 
>>>> without hymns or homilies or poems, how would we deal with the rotten 
>>>> luck of our mortality? Let?s face it, after awhile, the silence gets to 
>>>> you."
>>>> Clare Rossini
>>>>
>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>     *From:* jforjames at aol.com <mailto:jforjames at aol.com>
>>>>     *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
>>>> <mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:45 PM
>>>>     *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Fwd: Poet of the Month
>>>>
>>>>     I'll top David's Verse Daily pick. Someone I know is Poet of the
>>>>     Month...
>>>>     http://poetrynet.org/month/index.htm.
>>>>     Clare Rossini
>>>>
-- 
> Tad Richards
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>
> The moral is this: in American verse,
> The better you are, the pay is worse.
>  --Corey Ford



From jforjames at aol.com  Thu Dec 13 19:16:32 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:16:32 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Snow-Bound by Whittier rescheduled for 1/24/08
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A little irony in this...


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From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:29:11 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] staroids
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Staroids: the drugs that distinguishes the Stars from the rest of the players.

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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:32:19 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: staroids
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The drugs that distinguish...
I don't have the grammar gene.
Finnegan


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Staroids: the drugs that distinguishes the Stars from the rest of the players.

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From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Thu Dec 13 19:47:12 2007
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:47:12 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] staroids
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A lot of poets who write metrical poetry have increased in weight over the 
years.  Is there a link?   
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From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu  Thu Dec 13 23:56:32 2007
From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel )
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:56:32 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Festival
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Art & Advocacy in Zimbabwe
 
Mbizo Chirasha has expressed satisfaction with the recent Zimbabwe poetry festival. In an email, Chirasha shared information about future plans for similar events, one of which can happen as soon February 2008. What was obvious at the December 10-12 festival, he added, was the hunger for the arts that the participants showed. He also expressed his gratitude for the participation of distinguished speakers. One in particular, the Australia-born Celia Winter Irving, presented a paper entitled "The Arts As a Tool for Advocacy in Zimbabwe".

In this paper Irving argues that artists in Zimbabwe "have a strong relationship with society, taking their bearings from their local community." So, it seems, talk of an artist being a loner and not caring so much about what the society thinks would not stand a chance here. The issue of social responsibility appears in different art forms. 

In a bold statement, Winter Irving states, "Today because of the situation (in Zimbabwe), artists have no time for dreams and schemes; they want results." Irving works with artists as a consultant at the National Arts Council of Zimbabwe, a position which often involves travelling to all provinces of Zimbabwe to work with artists ranging from poets, sculptors, actors, singers and others. Her essay catalogues these experiences and makes a case about how art is a form of advocacy. 

The full text of the paper may appear under the Essays section of Munyori Poetry Journal
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From jorgensen_a at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 14 10:06:22 2007
From: jorgensen_a at yahoo.com (Alexander Jorgensen)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:06:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Journal
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black robert <black.robert.journal at gmail.com> wrote: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:02:46 +0800
From: "black robert" <black.robert.journal at gmail.com>
To: danlower at inbox.com, davidbchirot at hotmail.com, jorgensen_a at yahoo.com
Subject: NO USE THIS ONE!!!

 BLACK ROBERT JOURNAL: call for submissions (Issue #1 will be out Feb. 2008)
black-robert-journal.com

OUR STOREFRONT: 
Who said: Is that your meaning?  
We're a fighting chance: that's the sorta material we're going for...spot on building...key elements...no parochial material...know the enemy...live...delve into culture...like to sometimes lie on our bellies. 

Already been booked for Issue #1: David-Baptiste Chirot, Kathup Tsering, Manas Bhattacharya
Already been booked for Issue #2: Bengali Poetry Edition

SUBMISSION DEADLINE: January 14, 2008
Please send submissions to:  black.robert.journal at gmail.com

HOW TO SUBMIT:
Please send previously unpublished work.
 Please include "Submission" in the subject line.
Please send a brief bio with the submission.  
Please no simultaneous submissions.
Please send textual submissions in .doc or .rtf attachments.
Please send visual submissions in .jpeg, .gif or .tiff attachments
 
WHAT TO SUBMIT:
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 Please send poems as a single attachment. Long poems accepted.
Please send short fiction.
Please send vispo.
Please send photography.
Please send art.
 
REMUNERATION:
Creator will receive a print edition. Print editions are published bi-annually. 

Copyright remains with the creator, but Black Robert Journal retains the right to include any work in print editions. 
 


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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec 14 18:50:18 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:50:18 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?poetry=E2=80=99s_dying_light?=
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http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/views/liverpool-columnists/columns/2007/12/14/i-wondered-only-at-poetry-s-dying-light-64375-20248128/

I wondered only at poetry?s dying light
Dec 14 2007 by Our Correspondent, Liverpool Daily Post


There is the advice that youngsters don?t have to suffer to be a poet, adolescence is enough suffering for anyone.


Back in 1927, PG Wodehouse warned young budding versifiers that it was no good going around thinking things pretty or they?d never make a modern poet, instead: ?Be poignant man, be poignant.?


It was also Lewis Carroll who wrote in Through the Looking Glass: ?I can repeat poetry as well as other folk if it comes to that ?? ?Oh, it needn?t come to that!? Alice hastily said.


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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec 14 18:58:35 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:58:35 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Anne Stevenson: the secret life of a poet
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http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article3051063.ece

ANNE STEVENSON IS A well-kept secret. She has published 18 volumes of poetry, but you won't find her in The Nation's Favourite Poems. She has lived and written in Britain for more than 40 years but has never won a national poetry prize. She was a contemporary of Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes but hasn't come within a mile of their fame. 


All that might be about to change


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From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Fri Dec 14 19:06:11 2007
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:06:11 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Anne Stevenson: the secret life of a poet
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I just gave the lecture on Anne's work at Sewanee when she won the Aiken 
Taylor Award for Modern American Poetry.  I'll be happy to forward my remarks to 
anyone who wants them.  She is a considerable poet, well deserving of these 
belated honors.

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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec 14 20:15:19 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:15:19 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Blake
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http://books.guardian.co.uk/poetry/features/0,,2218251,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
The original political vision: sex, art and transformation


Dissent and emancipation were holy for William Blake. He could teach our prime minister so much about how to be radical 

Terry Eagleton
Wednesday November 28, 2007
The Guardian 


'Everything as it is, infinite' ... detail from The Good and Evil Angels

One reason Gordon Brown gave for not holding an election was to have time to roll out his vision. It is not a meaning of the word that Britain's greatest revolutionary poet would have recognised; William Blake, born 250 years ago today, had what George Bush Sr called "the vision thing" in the way other people have headaches or fits of laughter. At four he glimpsed God's head at the window, at eight a tree shimmering with angels. For Blake, being a visionary meant seeing beyond a version of politics centred chiefly on parliament. "House of Commons and House of Lords seem to me to be fools," he wrote. "They seem to me to be something other than human life."



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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Dec 15 03:01:16 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:01:16 +0100
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I recently talked about this with a poet friend. He literally said that finally at a certain age he realized that you could be healthy and a poet, unlike the "European stereotype" of the sick suffering artist. 
I think it is easier to say than to do. If you wish to write you have to read and the quality and quantity of books is by now impressive. I anyhow find this list quite "healthy" both in spirit and in attitude, cheers!
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  To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:50 AM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] poetry?s dying light


  http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/views/liverpool-columnists/columns/2007/12/14/i-wondered-only-at-poetry-s-dying-light-64375-20248128/
  I wondered only at poetry?s dying light
  Dec 14 2007 by Our Correspondent, Liverpool Daily Post

  There is the advice that youngsters don?t have to suffer to be a poet, adolescence is enough suffering for anyone.

  Back in 1927, PG Wodehouse warned young budding versifiers that it was no good going around thinking things pretty or they?d never make a modern poet, instead: ?Be poignant man, be poignant.?

  It was also Lewis Carroll who wrote in Through the Looking Glass: ?I can repeat poetry as well as other folk if it comes to that ?? ?Oh, it needn?t come to that!? Alice hastily said.


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From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec 15 12:33:48 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:33:48 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement
Message-ID: <c0d.258140c6.349569fc@aol.com>

_http://books.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2223830,00.html_ 
(http://books.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2223830,00.html) 
You  like my poems? So pay for them
 
Wendy Cope is outraged to find her work all over the internet 
 
Saturday December 8, 2007
The Guardian 
 
One summer's day, strolling through a cemetery, my partner and I had a  
conversation about what we would like on our gravestones. He suggested that mine  sh
ould read: "Wendy Cope. All Rights Reserved."

He knows all too well that I am obsessed with copyright. A poem is very  easy 
to copy, whereas nobody is going to photocopy or download a whole novel or  
work of non-fiction. Poets are thus especially at risk if people do not know 
and  respect copyright law.
 
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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Sat Dec 15 13:57:39 2007
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:57:39 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement
In-Reply-To: <c0d.258140c6.349569fc@aol.com>
References: <c0d.258140c6.349569fc@aol.com>
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On 12/15/07, JforJames at aol.com <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://books.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2223830,00.html
> You like my poems? So pay for them
>
> Wendy Cope is outraged to find her work all over the internet

She should feel flattered.

- Jim

>
> Saturday December 8, 2007
> The Guardian
>
> One summer's day, strolling through a cemetery, my partner and I had a
> conversation about what we would like on our gravestones. He suggested that
> mine should read: "Wendy Cope. All Rights Reserved."
>
> He knows all too well that I am obsessed with copyright. A poem is very easy
> to copy, whereas nobody is going to photocopy or download a whole novel or
> work of non-fiction. Poets are thus especially at risk if people do not know
> and respect copyright law.
>
> The authors of short, funny poems are especially vulnerable.
>
>
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From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec 15 17:45:17 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:45:17 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?in_the_astronaut=E2=80=99s_helmet?=
Message-ID: <d44.1a382f0d.3495b2fd@aol.com>

 
I just put this up on blog, _http://ursprache.blogspot.com/_ 
(http://ursprache.blogspot.com/)  . 
-- 
I seem to be one of the last authors, not counting theologians, to refer  now 
and then to the notion of a ?spiritual life.? In our day, we confine  
ourselves at the best of times to discussing the imagination. The word  ?imagination?
 is beautiful and vast, but it doesn?t hold everything. Some people  look at 
me suspiciously for this very reason; they think I must be a  reactionary, or 
a double-dyed conservative at the very least. I open myself to  ridicule. 
Progressive circles condemn me, or at least look at me askance.  Conservative 
enclaves likewise fail to understand what I?m talking about. Poets  a generation 
younger keep their distance. Only a certain young Spanish poet told  me in 
Barcelona that my essays perhaps signal that postmodern irony may be  conquered 
one day. But what is the spirit, the spiritual life? If only I were up  to 
defining such things! Robert Musil says that the spirit synthesizes intellect  and 
emotion. It?s a good working definition, for all its concision. 
In the case of poetry, literature, it?s simpler to say?theologians know a  
thing or two about this?what the spirit isn?t. It?s not psychoanalytic any 
more  than it?s behavioral, sociological, or political. It is holistic, and in it 
are  reflected, as in the astronaut?s helmet, the earth, the stars, and a 
human face.  
These are difficult and dangerous considerations. 
?Adam  Zagajewski, ?Dangerous Considerations: A Notebook,? translated by 
Clare  Cavenaugh, Poetry, Oct. 2007





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From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu  Sat Dec 15 21:42:34 2007
From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel )
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:42:34 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] Munyori Poetry Journal
References: <d44.1a382f0d.3495b2fd@aol.com>
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It's out at http://www.munyori.com/index.html
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From chris.lott at gmail.com  Sat Dec 15 21:47:38 2007
From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:47:38 -0900
Subject: [New-Poetry] Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement
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On Dec 15, 2007 8:33 AM,  <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>
> http://books.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2223830,00.html
> You like my poems? So pay for them
>
> Wendy Cope is outraged to find her work all over the internet

Yeah, I'm sure that all the random fans promoting her work are eating
terribly into her sales. And reading her work at festivals? And in
podcasts! The horror!

c


From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com  Sun Dec 16 15:42:26 2007
From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:42:26 +0000
Subject: [New-Poetry] Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement
In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0712151847v16f2a8d7t5436e383764a3d61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c0d.258140c6.349569fc@aol.com>
	<9b1b9dab0712151847v16f2a8d7t5436e383764a3d61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47658DB2.7090602@ntlworld.com>

Would I be right in taking the impression that Wendy Cope doesn't 
support Creative Commons?

-- 

David Bircumshaw
Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html



From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Sun Dec 16 15:57:58 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:57:58 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] [Fwd: Fwd: E-X-C-H-A-N-G-E-V-A-L-U-E-S: The Second XV
 Interviews now out from Otoli...]
Message-ID: <47659156.3080909@nut-n-but.net>

What the heck, it's got my poem on the back cover, so I might as well 
help advertise it.  Aside from that, it's got some interesting 
interviews within, including one with one of the people responsible for 
the  hay (na) ku. 

--Bob G.
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From JforJames at aol.com  Sun Dec 16 16:14:43 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:14:43 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Middlebrook, 68, taught at Stanford 
Message-ID: <bca.1bf937b1.3496ef43@aol.com>

_http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_7736336?nclick_check=1_ 
(http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_7736336?nclick_check=1) 
 
Biographer Middlebrook, 68, taught at Stanford
BAY AREA WRITER DIED  SATURDAY IN S.F.
By Mary Anne Ostrom and Dana Hull
Mercury News
Article  Launched: 12/16/2007 01:42:31 AM PST
 
Diane Middlebrook, an acclaimed biographer who helped start feminist  studies 
at Stanford University, died Saturday in San Francisco after a long  battle 
with cancer. She was 68.
 
Ms. Middlebrook continued writing as she battled retroperitoneal  
liposarcoma, according to her family, until mid-November.
 
In addition to writing and teaching, she was well-known in Bay Area circles  
for her literary salons and for encouraging women writers. She and husband 
Carl  Djerassi, who invented the birth control pill and later turned to writing  
himself, also have run the Djerassi Resident Artists Program in Woodside.
 
Ms. Middlebrook was a noted biographer of poet Anne Sexton, jazz pianist  
Billy Tipton and the poet Sylvia Plath. Her books include "Anne Sexton: A  
Biography," "Suits Me: The Double Life of Billy Tipton" and "Her Husband: Hughes  
and Plath - A Marriage," which explored the tumultuous relationship between  
English poet Ted Hughes and American poet Sylvia  Plath.




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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Dec 16 16:49:46 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:49:46 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] [Fwd: Fwd: E-X-C-H-A-N-G-E-V-A-L-U-E-S: The Second
	XV Interviews now out from Otoli...]
References: <47659156.3080909@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <002d01c8402d$933773d0$93eb114f@ANNY>

Yes, it is a beautiful book, especially the covers... :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: [New-Poetry] [Fwd: Fwd: E-X-C-H-A-N-G-E-V-A-L-U-E-S: The Second XV 
Interviews now out from Otoli...]


> What the heck, it's got my poem on the back cover, so I might as well
> help advertise it.  Aside from that, it's got some interesting
> interviews within, including one with one of the people responsible for
> the  hay (na) ku.
>
> --Bob G.
>


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From JforJames at aol.com  Sun Dec 16 17:03:24 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:03:24 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement
Message-ID: <c70.1f59f8c9.3496faac@aol.com>

It's odd to hear a poet complain about this issue. Its the Napster  
controversy come to verse.
 
Wendy Cope certainly had legit complaint about seeing one of her  poems 
attributed to Dorothy Parker.
But the complaint against anthologists reading poems at festivals seems  
awfully petty. I mean the anthologist presumably got permission or paid for the  
rights to reprint the poems, and thus has the right to promote the  anthology 
at any & all suitable venues. Besides, who attends a poetry  festival to hear 
an anthologist read the work of others? This would be  an  ancillary part of 
any festival and it's not something that's used by the  festival organizers to 
save the cost of reading fees as Cope seems to  suggest..
 
My question is: Do these poems floating around in cyberspace actually cause  
a loss of book sales? The person who snags one off the web is the person  who 
in old days would have dropped by the local library and thumbed  thru a few 
books to find & photocopy the poem. Or stood in  the bookstore aisle and copied 
it out right there in full view of the  manager. The person that loves the 
poet's poems buys the book. Those who need a  poem for this or that reason, 
aren't really your book buyers. I don't think so  anyway.
 
It did make wonder how many poets are able to live off their royalties, or  
have royalties enough coming in that loss of some portion of those monies  
means the difference between getting the roof fixed or having to put a bucket in  
attic?
 
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From chris.lott at gmail.com  Sun Dec 16 17:14:08 2007
From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:14:08 -0900
Subject: [New-Poetry] Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement
In-Reply-To: <c70.1f59f8c9.3496faac@aol.com>
References: <c70.1f59f8c9.3496faac@aol.com>
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On Dec 16, 2007 1:03 PM,  <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's odd to hear a poet complain about this issue. Its the Napster
> controversy come to verse.

I'd go even further and question the damage when some enthusiast posts
the poem and link to the book or a podcaster recites it in a podcast--
I just can't imagine this actually hurts sales. There are certainly
some legitimate complaints-- people getting paid for stealing work,
plagiarism in the traditional sense... but the idea that our right
should extend everywhere and prevent every use is no different from
people in the early days of aviation wanting to charge to fly over
their houses and property.

c


From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Sun Dec 16 17:33:37 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:33:37 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] [Fwd: Fwd: E-X-C-H-A-N-G-E-V-A-L-U-E-S: The Second
	XV Interviews now out from Otoli...]
In-Reply-To: <002d01c8402d$933773d0$93eb114f@ANNY>
References: <47659156.3080909@nut-n-but.net>
	<002d01c8402d$933773d0$93eb114f@ANNY>
Message-ID: <4765A7C1.7030407@nut-n-but.net>



Anny Ballardini wrote:
> Yes, it is a beautiful book, especially the covers... :-)

Yeah, too bad that Italian lady is inside . . .

--Bob G.



From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Dec 16 17:41:18 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:41:18 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] [Fwd: Fwd: E-X-C-H-A-N-G-E-V-A-L-U-E-S: The SecondXV
	Interviews now out from Otoli...]
References: <47659156.3080909@nut-n-but.net><002d01c8402d$933773d0$93eb114f@ANNY>
	<4765A7C1.7030407@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c84034$c62eebe0$93eb114f@ANNY>

something like a sandwich... don't you put that tastiest things inside, that 
is what they do round here at least.

From: "Bob Grumman" <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 11:33 PM


>
>
> Anny Ballardini wrote:
>> Yes, it is a beautiful book, especially the covers... :-)
>
> Yeah, too bad that Italian lady is inside . . .
>
> --Bob G.
>
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Dec 16 17:43:53 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:43:53 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] on Jane Austen
Message-ID: <005601c84035$22c661d0$93eb114f@ANNY>

by Ellen Moody:
http://www.jimandellen.org/austen/BiographyImpossible.html


(just read up to a certain point, too tired now - but the text seems to me almost impeccable)


Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Sun Dec 16 19:29:36 2007
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:29:36 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement
In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0712161414j295e8c5fn8d6fda65d822a112@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70.1f59f8c9.3496faac@aol.com>
	<9b1b9dab0712161414j295e8c5fn8d6fda65d822a112@mail.gmail.com>
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Actually, I think it's very simple.  Can you spell E-G-O?

- Jim

On 12/16/07, Chris Lott <chris.lott at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 2007 1:03 PM,  <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It's odd to hear a poet complain about this issue. Its the Napster
> > controversy come to verse.
>
> I'd go even further and question the damage when some enthusiast posts
> the poem and link to the book or a podcaster recites it in a podcast--
> I just can't imagine this actually hurts sales. There are certainly
> some legitimate complaints-- people getting paid for stealing work,
> plagiarism in the traditional sense... but the idea that our right
> should extend everywhere and prevent every use is no different from
> people in the early days of aviation wanting to charge to fly over
> their houses and property.
>
> c
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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Sun Dec 16 20:26:53 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:26:53 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Middlebrook, 68, taught at Stanford
In-Reply-To: <bca.1bf937b1.3496ef43@aol.com>
References: <bca.1bf937b1.3496ef43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4765D05D.2030606@opus40.org>

I have a couple of her books, and have always enjoyed her work.

JforJames at aol.com wrote:
> http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_7736336?nclick_check=1
>  
> Biographer Middlebrook, 68, taught at Stanford
> BAY AREA WRITER DIED SATURDAY IN S.F.
> By Mary Anne Ostrom and Dana Hull
> Mercury News
> Article Launched: 12/16/2007 01:42:31 AM PST
>  
> Diane Middlebrook, an acclaimed biographer who helped start feminist 
> studies at Stanford University, died Saturday in San Francisco after a 
> long battle with cancer. She was 68.
>  
> Ms. Middlebrook continued writing as she battled retroperitoneal 
> liposarcoma, according to her family, until mid-November.
>  
> In addition to writing and teaching, she was well-known in Bay Area 
> circles for her literary salons and for encouraging women writers. She 
> and husband Carl Djerassi, who invented the birth control pill and 
> later turned to writing himself, also have run the Djerassi Resident 
> Artists Program in Woodside.
>  
> Ms. Middlebrook was a noted biographer of poet Anne Sexton, jazz 
> pianist Billy Tipton and the poet Sylvia Plath. Her books include 
> "Anne Sexton: A Biography," "Suits Me: The Double Life of Billy 
> Tipton" and "Her Husband: Hughes and Plath - A Marriage," which 
> explored the tumultuous relationship between English poet Ted Hughes 
> and American poet Sylvia Plath.
>
>
>
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The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Sun Dec 16 20:27:45 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:27:45 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] [Fwd: Fwd: E-X-C-H-A-N-G-E-V-A-L-U-E-S: The Second
	XV Interviews now out from Otoli...]
In-Reply-To: <4765A7C1.7030407@nut-n-but.net>
References: <47659156.3080909@nut-n-but.net>	<002d01c8402d$933773d0$93eb114f@ANNY>
	<4765A7C1.7030407@nut-n-but.net>
Message-ID: <4765D091.5020602@opus40.org>

Well, you can't tell a book by its cover.

Bob Grumman wrote:
>
>
> Anny Ballardini wrote:
>> Yes, it is a beautiful book, especially the covers... :-)
>
> Yeah, too bad that Italian lady is inside . . .
>
> --Bob G.
>
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http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 17 02:33:34 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:33:34 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement
References: <c70.1f59f8c9.3496faac@aol.com><9b1b9dab0712161414j295e8c5fn8d6fda65d822a112@mail.gmail.com>
	<648208b60712161629hdd8a1fck7c7450f27d366110@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c8407f$21a4c590$b5aa3852@ANNY>

On the other hand if instead of my words they stole my enemies, that would 
be an idea...

From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 1:29 AM


> Actually, I think it's very simple.  Can you spell E-G-O?
>
> - Jim
>
> On 12/16/07, Chris Lott <chris.lott at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 16, 2007 1:03 PM,  <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > It's odd to hear a poet complain about this issue. Its the Napster
>> > controversy come to verse.
>>
>> I'd go even further and question the damage when some enthusiast posts
>> the poem and link to the book or a podcaster recites it in a podcast--
>> I just can't imagine this actually hurts sales. There are certainly
>> some legitimate complaints-- people getting paid for stealing work,
>> plagiarism in the traditional sense... but the idea that our right
>> should extend everywhere and prevent every use is no different from
>> people in the early days of aviation wanting to charge to fly over
>> their houses and property.
>>
>> c



From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 17 08:07:28 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:07:28 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] SANTA CLAUS
Message-ID: <005201c840ad$c7310ea0$b5aa3852@ANNY>

I mentioned Santa Claus a couple of days ago and here he comes, worse than the Devil (there is that saying in Italy: As soon as you talk of the devil his tail appears - Come parli del diavolo arriva la coda)! I ordered 1 book, specifically:
>From Haiku to Lyriku : A Participant's Impressions of a Portion of Post-2000 North American Kernular Poetry by Bob Grumman, and I receive 4! 

In the big already half-thorn package there is a "survivor of Hurricane Charlie":
OF MANYWHERE-AT-ONCE Volume 1 by BG

then another big fat book (262 pages all written till the said page):
and the RIGIDNIKS: A Study of Cerebral Dysfunction by BG

and finally the cutest book ever:
A straynge Book by Bob Grumman which is "for Very Smart kids and 11 adults" - since it was first published in 1987 and I think that since then Bob did find 11 clever adults, then I can comfortably and rightly suppose that I am one of those kids and sit back and leisurely plan my future.

What a wonderful surprise, thank you Bob!

(A problem: I cannot fight with Bob right now at least till the festivities are over, is there anyone who would like to receive some ironical and nasty mails?)

Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
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From jforjames at aol.com  Mon Dec 17 10:50:54 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:50:54 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Tsvetaeva play
Message-ID: <8CA0EDBBDE8605D-1170-1247@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/49/30_49paststillahead.html
December 15, 2007 / GO Brooklyn / Theater
Russian the stage

By Deirdre Donovan
for The Brooklyn Paper
Jonathan Slaff

A tragic life: Yelena Romanova (left) stars as Russian poet Marina Tsvetaeva in ?The Past is Still Ahead.? Tosh Marks (right) plays Rainer Maria Rilke in the production, staged at Midwood?s Jewish Center of King?s Highway. 


Why, at the end of her life, did Russians so sorely neglect the poet Marina Tsvetaeva? That question may well have sparked the new heart-wrenching work, ?The Past is Still Ahead,? which has just arrived at Manhattan?s Cherry Lane Studio Theater and will visit the Jewish Center of Kings Highway for a special matinee on Dec. 16.


Performed in English and Russian by the legendary troupe from Moscow?s Mayakovsky Academic Theater, this work is a star vehicle for the well-known Russian actor of both film and theater, Yelena Romanova. Russian-born playwright Sophia Romma and Francois Rochaix (of Theatre de Carouge in Geneva) co-directed for the New York premiere.


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 17 13:11:29 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:11:29 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Merton Institute for Contemplative Living
Message-ID: <000b01c840d8$3f359950$15aa3852@ANNY>

Merton Prize for Poetry of the Sacred:

https://www.mertoninstitute.org/merton_prize.php
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From jforjames at aol.com  Mon Dec 17 13:21:24 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:21:24 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] The Merton Institute for Contemplative Living
In-Reply-To: <000b01c840d8$3f359950$15aa3852@ANNY>
References: <000b01c840d8$3f359950$15aa3852@ANNY>
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The conference has passed, but it's something I would have attended, had I been in the area at the time...

http://www.merton.org/poetry/

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Merton Prize for Poetry of the Sacred:

?
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 17 13:27:38 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:27:38 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] SANTA CLAUS
References: <005201c840ad$c7310ea0$b5aa3852@ANNY>
Message-ID: <005d01c840da$80cbfec0$15aa3852@ANNY>

even if thorns might be involved, what I meant was Half-torn, sorry.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anny Ballardini 
  To: New Poetry 
  Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:07 PM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] SANTA CLAUS


  I mentioned Santa Claus a couple of days ago and here he comes, worse than the Devil (there is that saying in Italy: As soon as you talk of the devil his tail appears - Come parli del diavolo arriva la coda)! I ordered 1 book, specifically:
  From Haiku to Lyriku : A Participant's Impressions of a Portion of Post-2000 North American Kernular Poetry by Bob Grumman, and I receive 4! 

  In the big already half-thorn package there is a "survivor of Hurricane Charlie":
  OF MANYWHERE-AT-ONCE Volume 1 by BG

  then another big fat book (262 pages all written till the said page):
  and the RIGIDNIKS: A Study of Cerebral Dysfunction by BG

  and finally the cutest book ever:
  A straynge Book by Bob Grumman which is "for Very Smart kids and 11 adults" - since it was first published in 1987 and I think that since then Bob did find 11 clever adults, then I can comfortably and rightly suppose that I am one of those kids and sit back and leisurely plan my future.

  What a wonderful surprise, thank you Bob!

  (A problem: I cannot fight with Bob right now at least till the festivities are over, is there anyone who would like to receive some ironical and nasty mails?)

  Anny Ballardini
  http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
  http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
  http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Mon Dec 17 13:53:18 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:53:18 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] SANTA CLAUS
In-Reply-To: <005201c840ad$c7310ea0$b5aa3852@ANNY>
References: <005201c840ad$c7310ea0$b5aa3852@ANNY>
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Anny Ballardini wrote:
> I mentioned Santa Claus a couple of days ago and here he comes, worse 
> than the Devil (there is that saying in Italy: As soon as you talk of 
> the devil his tail appears - Come parli del diavolo arriva la coda)! I 
> ordered 1 book, specifically:
> /*From Haiku to Lyriku : A Participant's Impressions of a Portion of 
> Post-2000 North American Kernular*/ /*Poetry */by Bob Grumman, and I 
> receive 4!
>  
> In the big already half-thorn package there is a "survivor of 
> Hurricane Charlie":
> /*OF MANYWHERE-AT-ONCE*/ Volume 1 by BG
>  
> then another big fat book (262 pages all written till the said page):
> /*and the RIGIDNIKS: A Study of Cerebral Dysfunction*/ by BG
>  
> and finally the cutest book ever:
> /*A straynge Book*/ by Bob Grumman which is "/for Very Smart kids and 
> 11 adults/" - since it was first published in 1987 and I think that 
> since then Bob did find 11 clever adults, then I can comfortably and 
> rightly suppose that I am one of those kids and sit back and 
> leisurely plan my future.
>  
> What a wonderful surprise, thank you Bob!
>  
> (A problem: I cannot fight with Bob right now at least till the 
> festivities are over, is there anyone who would like to receive 
> some ironical and nasty mails?)
>  
> Anny Ballardini
> <http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/>
>
Nuts, Anny, I was hoping you wouldn't understand A StrayngeBook, and 
then I could say mean things about your intelligence.  Oh, well, glad 
the shipment got to you--if only I can say (as I can) that my haiku book 
is being read in Italy, Hungary, England, Australia and the US of A.  
Pretty good considering I've only gotten rid of twenty copies so far.

--StrayngeBob
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From jforjames at aol.com  Mon Dec 17 13:48:34 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:48:34 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: "A King" by Adam Zagajewski
Message-ID: <8CA0EF48FA060BC-660-6FF@WEBMAIL-DG17>


A King

???????? 

In memory of Joseph Czapski

?



He was very old. But his spirit held.

Of one acquaintance (old as he) he said:

?That famed Petersburg beauty; observe

her face.? He still painted. Lived. Wrote. Thought.

?

He knew Akhmatova. Spoke with de Gaulle,

Andr? Malraux also took note.

Gide (too Parisian) disappointed him.

A penniless count, he helped the poor.

?

So tall (and good), as if proud

nature wanted to put him on display.

Mary McCarthy once glimpsed him in a crowd

at a museum and jotted down: a righteous man.

?

Beauty thrilled him. He spoke 

more often though of ugliness and pain ?

things it seems he scarcely knew

(but how can we be sure?)

?

What?s the moment when divinity appears?

How can we tell, since we always keep it

in the past tense or the future (hopefully!)

We describe it from a different country,

?

where we?ve been carried by a wild express train

with no stops at that small still station

we call Beauty, a resting place

too modest for its taste.

?

But we can talk of ugliness

at length, and pain will still fill

many tomes; our quick sightseeing trip

becomes a humble tortoise city tram.

?

His death was long and patient; perhaps those

who rule the earth and play chess demurred:

should such a splendid upright shape, a king,

be made horizontal form, a line of print?

?

?Adam Zagajewski

?

Without End: New and Selected Poems, 2003,

translated by Clare Cavanaugh

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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Mon Dec 17 16:55:32 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:55:32 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] SANTA CLAUS
In-Reply-To: <005d01c840da$80cbfec0$15aa3852@ANNY>
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	<005d01c840da$80cbfec0$15aa3852@ANNY>
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> even if thorns might be involved, what I meant was Half-torn, sorry.
>
Weird.  I designed it to arrive completely torn.

Bad Robbit
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 17 17:01:07 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:01:07 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] SANTA CLAUS
References: <005201c840ad$c7310ea0$b5aa3852@ANNY><005d01c840da$80cbfec0$15aa3852@ANNY>
	<4766F054.9010904@nut-n-but.net>
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I already said that I will behave properly properly at least till the end of the (not yet here) holidays_ which builds up to a lot of days :-(
  From: Bob Grumman 
  Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 10:55 PM




    even if thorns might be involved, what I meant was Half-torn, sorry.


  Weird.  I designed it to arrive completely torn.

  Bad Robbit



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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Mon Dec 17 17:21:41 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:21:41 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] SANTA CLAUS
In-Reply-To: <001a01c840f8$53bb9ad0$15aa3852@ANNY>
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	<001a01c840f8$53bb9ad0$15aa3852@ANNY>
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Anny Ballardini wrote:
>  
> I already said that I will behave properly properly at least till the 
> end of the (not yet here) holidays_ which builds up to a lot of days :-(
>
Yikes, I hope that doesn't mean *I* have to be nice, too!!  I mean, what 
should I be?  I already got word Santa won't be stopping at my house 
this year OR any of the next eight!

--BaDbOb


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From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 17 18:49:02 2007
From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:49:02 +0000
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement
	(JforJames@aol.com)
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This fact may have been posted already but there is one poet only who not only
lives off of his book sales and royalties but has always done so, plus, he is not
a member of any academic faculty or has any job other than being a poet.

I know that this is the case because this fact was disclosed in his presence and
he made no move to contradict or clarify it.  And, he has a real agent who handles
the business.

Also, he seems to me to be one of the few that is utterly qualified to be U.S. poet
laureate from a Constitutional perspective.  Perhaps, because he has succeeded in the free marketplace on his own terms without compromise, he would not be a reliable advocate for those who don't look at things this way.  

Merwin

It did make wonder how many poets are able to live off their royalties, or 
have royalties enough coming in that loss of some portion of those monies 
means the difference between getting the roof fixed or having to put a bucket in 
attic? Re: Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement (JforJames at aol.com)

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From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:33:25 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: New Titles from University of California Press
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From grahamd at ripon.edu  Mon Dec 17 19:54:19 2007
From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:54:19 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-W4A28BB6E97DBE2C91212D90620@phx.gbl>
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I'm not sure where in the Constitution it covers the position of Poet  
Laureate, but as I've noted before when this subject crops up, the  
position is not funded with tax dollars.  It's a private endowment,  
administered by the Librarian of Congress.

I would guess that virtually no poet lives on royalties.  Even Merwin  
has over the years brought in a lot of his cash via readings,  
translations, and such.  I'd be surprised if he actually lives on  
book sales per se, but I could be wrong.

If you count readings, conference appearances, contest judging,  
editorial work, and other ancillary activities, not simply book  
sales, I would further wager that quite a few American poets could  
live quite well off their art without tenured teaching gigs.  Donald  
Hall has been doing it for decades, to cite one such instance, and so  
has Robert Bly.




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On Dec 17, 2007, at 5:49 PM, R Dillon wrote:

>
> This fact may have been posted already but there is one poet only  
> who not only
> lives off of his book sales and royalties but has always done so,  
> plus, he is not
> a member of any academic faculty or has any job other than being a  
> poet.
>
> I know that this is the case because this fact was disclosed in his  
> presence and
> he made no move to contradict or clarify it.  And, he has a real  
> agent who handles
> the business.
>
> Also, he seems to me to be one of the few that is utterly qualified  
> to be U.S. poet
> laureate from a Constitutional perspective.  Perhaps, because he  
> has succeeded in the free marketplace on his own terms without  
> compromise, he would not be a reliable advocate for those who don't  
> look at things this way.
>
> Merwin
>
> It did make wonder how many poets are able to live off their  
> royalties, or
> have royalties enough coming in that loss of some portion of those  
> monies
> means the difference between getting the roof fixed or having to  
> put a bucket in
> attic? Re: Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement (JforJames at aol.com)
>
> R.D.
>
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From jforjames at aol.com  Mon Dec 17 20:19:28 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:19:28 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
In-Reply-To: <930F6806-EF83-4C7B-BC62-B95FE4C04276@ripon.edu>
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David, 
You're right, I believe. There are few poets surviving solely?in the?marketplace. Those who have,
generally speaking, are successful in another realm, like the novel or pop-music. Think Jim Harrison or 
Leonard Cohen. 

If we totaled the college/university reading?fees and private foundation grants/awards given to 
Merwin, I think we'd see a poet beholden to the academy and the?charitable sector. Also, where would
Merwin be without the teaching poets teaching his work?

I'm a Merwin fan from way back, I might mention.
Finnegan


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From: David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu>
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Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics


I'm not sure where in the Constitution it covers the position of Poet Laureate, but as I've noted before when this subject crops up, the position is not funded with tax dollars. ?It's a private endowment, administered by the Librarian of Congress. ? 



I would guess that virtually no poet lives on royalties. ?Even Merwin has over the years brought in a lot of his cash via readings, translations, and such. ?I'd be surprised if he actually lives on book sales per se, but I could be wrong.




If you count readings, conference appearances, contest judging, editorial work, and other ancillary activities, not simply book sales, I would further wager that quite a few American poets could live quite well off their art without tenured teaching gigs. ?Donald Hall has been doing it for decades, to cite one such instance, and so has Robert Bly. ?











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grahamd at ripon.edu




Home Page:

http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html




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On Dec 17, 2007, at 5:49 PM, R Dillon wrote:






This fact may have been posted already but there is one poet only who not only

lives off of his book sales and royalties but has always done so, plus, he is not

a member of any academic faculty or has any job other than being a poet.




I know that this is the case because this fact was disclosed in his presence and

he made no move to contradict or clarify it.? And, he has a real agent who handles

the business.




Also, he seems to me to be one of the few that is utterly qualified to be U.S. poet

laureate from a Constitutional perspective.? Perhaps, because he has succeeded in the free marketplace on his own terms without compromise, he would not be a reliable advocate for those who don't look at things this way. ?




Merwin




It did make wonder how many poets are able to live off their royalties, or?

have royalties enough coming in that loss of some portion of those monies?

means the difference between getting the roof fixed or having to put a bucket in?

attic? Re: Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement (JforJames at aol.com)




R.D.






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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Tue Dec 18 04:57:02 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:57:02 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] thanks to Daniel Godston
Message-ID: <004a01c8415c$56f93b30$45ad3452@ANNY>

While trying to update my resume (there are still people who ask for your resume) and therefore looking on the net to try to find who and where I am, I bumped into a wonderful surprise, someone liked one of my poems! Anybody here knows Daniel Godston? I would like to thank him, I just cannot believe it. And - blowing my shining horn - the paragraph for me on Jacket:
http://jacketmagazine.com/34/godston-fulcrum.shtml

Anny Ballardini's "Desert" begins with "family tensioned unsolved pasts / heat levels down movement / apprehension builds in / how can a poet take his life? / pain of an hyper-sensitized body in the soul / echoing & tearing the everlasting sorrow." The following stanza is a cascading list propelled by the a strong unifying device, the anaphora "a desert" - "a desert_not to meditate...a desert thick with manipulations_buried under kitsch melodramatic icons...a desert eaten by cockroaches_fetid_filthy / a desert beaten by whores and mercenaries." Those images are both harrowing and imaginative, rigorously crafted. I like how the final stanza begins with "in the midst of carbon monoxide saturated trafficked streets ambulances screaming." Ballardini creates a strong effect by gradually shortening each of the poem's final lines, to take the poem in a different direction than that established by the middle "a desert" stanza - 

4
we ask for the rising of Onofri's white lily drops of dew dark protective eyes
in which to get drowned into promise of unremitting love into fluid
freezing silvery-azure mercurial water steeply skidding on
polished stones happy the green majestic imprint
of imposing trees their codex a subliminal
otherworldly alphabet of
Giotto's angels_reference
to cover of Skip Fox's
book received yesterday 





Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
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From skip at louisiana.edu  Tue Dec 18 15:05:15 2007
From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:05:15 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
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Maya Angelou made $4,000,000 one year. When she was named "Hallmark Poet," I
announced to a class that it was "official at last." 

 

(I'm quite happy with teaching.).

 

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[mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of David Graham
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:54 PM
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics

 

I'm not sure where in the Constitution it covers the position of Poet
Laureate, but as I've noted before when this subject crops up, the position
is not funded with tax dollars.  It's a private endowment, administered by
the Librarian of Congress.  

 

I would guess that virtually no poet lives on royalties.  Even Merwin has
over the years brought in a lot of his cash via readings, translations, and
such.  I'd be surprised if he actually lives on book sales per se, but I
could be wrong.

 

If you count readings, conference appearances, contest judging, editorial
work, and other ancillary activities, not simply book sales, I would further
wager that quite a few American poets could live quite well off their art
without tenured teaching gigs.  Donald Hall has been doing it for decades,
to cite one such instance, and so has Robert Bly.  

 

 

 

 

========================================

David Graham

grahamd at ripon.edu

 

Home Page:

http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html

 

Poetry Library:

http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html

==========================================

 





 

On Dec 17, 2007, at 5:49 PM, R Dillon wrote:





 

This fact may have been posted already but there is one poet only who not
only

lives off of his book sales and royalties but has always done so, plus, he
is not

a member of any academic faculty or has any job other than being a poet.

 

I know that this is the case because this fact was disclosed in his presence
and

he made no move to contradict or clarify it.  And, he has a real agent who
handles

the business.

 

Also, he seems to me to be one of the few that is utterly qualified to be
U.S. poet

laureate from a Constitutional perspective.  Perhaps, because he has
succeeded in the free marketplace on his own terms without compromise, he
would not be a reliable advocate for those who don't look at things this
way.  

 

Merwin

 

It did make wonder how many poets are able to live off their royalties, or 

have royalties enough coming in that loss of some portion of those monies 

means the difference between getting the roof fixed or having to put a
bucket in 

attic? Re: Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement (JforJames at aol.com)

 

R.D.

 

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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Tue Dec 18 16:56:34 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:56:34 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
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I thought of Maya, but one problem with her as an example is that she 
makes big bucks as a writer, not (only) as a poet.  If not for her 
autobiographies (or autobiographical novels, whatever they are), I think 
she'd make out okay as a poet, but not make four million in a year. 

--Bob G.



From AlMaginnes at aol.com  Tue Dec 18 17:05:48 2007
From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:05:48 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
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And she's not a poet.



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From JforJames at aol.com  Tue Dec 18 19:14:03 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:14:03 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Got the time?
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Date:    Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:35:23 -0000
From:     Jack Boulton <jack at STIMULUSRESPOND.COM>
Subject: Call for Contributions  - Time

A revised version of the call for contributions for Time,  including an
extra question and directions to the literature guidelines on  our
website.

How, where and when is time experienced  differently?
What is the relationship between time and space in the  assemblage of
visual and/or audio texts? 
What makes good timing? 
Can  time stand still?
What does time erase and what does it create? Is time  constructive,
destructive or both?
Is the time of financial capital  reaching instantaneity?
What is outside time?
Is the archive a question of  the future?

Guidelines for contributions can be found at  HYPERLINK
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button in the top right corner underneath 'next issue'. You can  also
subscribe to the printed magazine, purchase individual copies  and
download back issues of the online version by clicking  'subscriptions'.

The deadline for synopses and expressions of interest is  Friday 18
January. If you have any questions or would like further  information,
then please do email the editorial team as below:

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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Tue Dec 18 19:29:03 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:29:03 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Mole Update
Message-ID: <476865CF.1060606@opus40.org>

In Episode XIII of Situations...will The Major be done in by priapism? 
Will Trisha's dinner plans be interrupted? What can compare with the 
songs of the love priestesses of Zanzibar? And what kind of wormhole has 
Stephen Hawking opened?

The songs of the love priestesses of Zanzibar

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=2128


And a new Film Noir at the blog:

http://opusforty.blogspot.com/2007/12/film-noir-kiss-me-deadly-part-ii.html


And my salute to the season:

http://opusforty.blogspot.com/2007/12/for-christmas-season.html

-- 
Tad Richards
http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From atelierjewelweed at gmail.com  Wed Dec 19 07:18:24 2007
From: atelierjewelweed at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:18:24 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
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Ted Hughes lived off his writing-- note though that he didn't just publish
poetry but also children's books, BBC scripts, commissions of one sort or
another.  Plath also lived off of her writing and worked very hard to make
her name writing for "women's magazines".  Ladies Home Journal, Reader's
Digest, etc.  It paid.  The Bell Jar was written with the goal of breaking
into the bestselling "pot-boiler" novel genre.

So yeah, you can make money off of your writing.  I guess I do that
technically speaking-- I'm a professional tech writer.  My latest client
just gave me an iPod as a thank you present.  As a poet the best I can hope
for is maybe a free beer and all the cheese I can eat. :-)

Merwin doesn;t work directly in Academia, but he certainly reads and speaks
in academically funded situations, and I am sure judges the Yale series has
some small change attached to it.  He also translates and has done very well
there.  His place in Hawaii is supposed to be gorgeous.

Suzanne

On Dec 17, 2007 7:54 PM, David Graham <grahamd at ripon.edu> wrote:

> I'm not sure where in the Constitution it covers the position of Poet
> Laureate, but as I've noted before when this subject crops up, the position
> is not funded with tax dollars.  It's a private endowment, administered by
> the Librarian of Congress.
> I would guess that virtually no poet lives on royalties.  Even Merwin has
> over the years brought in a lot of his cash via readings, translations, and
> such.  I'd be surprised if he actually lives on book sales per se, but I
> could be wrong.
>
> If you count readings, conference appearances, contest judging, editorial
> work, and other ancillary activities, not simply book sales, I would further
> wager that quite a few American poets could live quite well off their art
> without tenured teaching gigs.  Donald Hall has been doing it for decades,
> to cite one such instance, and so has Robert Bly.
>
>
>
>
> ========================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
>
> Home Page:
> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html
>
> Poetry Library:
> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> ==========================================
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2007, at 5:49 PM, R Dillon wrote:
>
>
> This fact may have been posted already but there is one poet only who not
> only
> lives off of his book sales and royalties but has always done so, plus, he
> is not
> a member of any academic faculty or has any job other than being a poet.
>
> I know that this is the case because this fact was disclosed in his
> presence and
> he made no move to contradict or clarify it.  And, he has a real agent who
> handles
> the business.
>
> Also, he seems to me to be one of the few that is utterly qualified to be
> U.S. poet
> laureate from a Constitutional perspective.  Perhaps, because he has
> succeeded in the free marketplace on his own terms without compromise, he
> would not be a reliable advocate for those who don't look at things this
> way.
>
> Merwin
>
> It did make wonder how many poets are able to live off their royalties, or
>
> have royalties enough coming in that loss of some portion of those monies
> means the difference between getting the roof fixed or having to put a
> bucket in
> attic? Re: Can't Cope With Copyright Infringement (JforJames at aol.com)
>
> R.D.
>
>
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From jforjames at aol.com  Wed Dec 19 09:48:01 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:48:01 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Edmund Wilson
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http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/biography/0,,2229429,00.html
Reading beyond the lines


Edmund Wilson's perception gave him an unparalleled understanding of American literature and life, says Devin McKinney 

Tuesday December 18, 2007
Guardian Unlimited 


Edmund Wilson in 1951. Photograph: Corbis
?


Literary Essays and Reviews of the 1920s & 30s
by Edmund Wilson Edited by Lewis M Dabney The Library of America, 958 pp, $40

Literary Essays and Reviews of the 1940s & 50s
by Edmund Wilson Edited by Lewis M. Dabney The Library of America, 979 pp, $40


"You have to learn to load solid matter into notices of ephemeral happenings," was how Edmund Wilson defined the task and the trick of critical journalism. 

With his first publication under the imprimatur of the Library of America - the durable, affordable line of native classics he conceived and founded - we see again how solid was Wilson's matter, how true and continuous his sense of the worthy in art and life. These volumes flex and expand like living things, like lungs, and it's Wilson the intellectual journalist, more than Wilson the accessible academic, that fills them with breath and vigour. 




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From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com  Wed Dec 19 10:54:45 2007
From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:54:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
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Big Bucks in Poetics

I think it was Auden (correct me if I?m wrong) who said the poet must also
be a tradesman.  For a long time I puzzled over this, being not quite
certain (or ready to accept) what he meant, until I realized he was
talking about promoting yourself, promoting your poetry and doing the
business of getting published and readings and establishing a peer group,
all the ?literary business.?  I resisted this conclusion because I felt
the tradesman stuff was ?beneath me? and not in the spirit of ?being a
poet,? or rather it did not fit my romantic notion of what and how and why
a poet does.  I always felt (this was indeed my experience) that writing
poetry was easier than getting it published; that, and all the ?tradesman?
stuff, requires a different set of skills and talents, which I did not
feel inclined to cultivate.  To be a poet in obscuirity (albeit with my
own set of relations to other poets and writers and teachers and so) did
not seem unnatural, and maybe because I always believed (in my heart) that
if the poetry was good, that good poetry will out in the end because that
was the way with poetry, that some poetry was downright inevitable, and
would eventually defeat its obscurity.  I believed that poetry was ?magic?
in that way.  Today I know a good many ?poets? who are better at being
?tradesmen? than at creating poetry.  It?s like having to ingratiate
yourself to the department chair, even when or especially when you know
exactly how he got there.  But then again maybe that?s unfair, afterall
it?s your job and ya gotta do wutcha gotta do.  How about this one:  It?s
like ingratiating yourself to people with whom you feel no affinity
whatsoever, despite that you both call yourselves ?poets.?

I recommend this essay, entitled ?Professionalism Revisited?


http://albany.edu/offcourse/summer07/r_nirenberg_professionalism_revisited.html

it?s by Mr. Ricardo Nirenberg and is on his literary journal, Offcourse. 
It?s maybe the best essay I?ve read this year.  If the url doesn?t work
please then paste it in, I promise it is worth the effort. . . .


?I'm not sure where in the Constitution it covers the position of Poet
Laureate, but as I've noted before when this subject crops up, the
position is not funded with tax dollars.  It's a private endowment,
administered by the Librarian of Congress.

I would guess that virtually no poet lives on royalties.  Even Merwin has
over the years brought in a lot of his cash via readings, translations,
and such.  I'd be surprised if he actually lives on book sales per se, but
I could be wrong.

If you count readings, conference appearances, contest judging, editorial
work, and other ancillary activities, not simply book sales, I would
further wager that quite a few American poets could live quite well off
their art without tenured teaching gigs.  Donald Hall has been doing it
for decades, to cite one such instance, and so has Robert Bly.?

David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu


?David,
You're right, I believe. There are few poets surviving solely?in
the?marketplace. Those who have, generally speaking, are successful in
another realm, like the novel or pop-music. Think Jim Harrison or Leonard
Cohen.

If we totaled the college/university reading?fees and private foundation
grants/awards given to Merwin, I think we'd see a poet beholden to the
academy and the?charitable sector. Also, where would Merwin be without the
teaching poets teaching his work?

I'm a Merwin fan from way back, I might mention.?

Finnegan

?Ted Hughes lived off his writing-- note though that he didn't just
publish poetry but also children's books, BBC scripts, commissions of one
sort or another.  Plath also lived off of her writing and worked very hard
to make her name writing for "women's magazines".  Ladies Home Journal,
Reader's Digest, etc.  It paid.  The Bell Jar was written with the goal of
breaking into the bestselling "pot-boiler" novel genre.

So yeah, you can make money off of your writing.  I guess I do that
technically speaking-- I'm a professional tech writer.  My latest client
just gave me an iPod as a thank you present.  As a poet the best I can
hope for is maybe a free beer and all the cheese I can eat. :-)

Merwin doesn;t work directly in Academia, but he certainly reads and
speaks in academically funded situations, and I am sure judges the Yale
series has some small change attached to it.  He also translates and has
done very well there.  His place in Hawaii is supposed to be gorgeous.?

Suzanne

posted by gregory vincent st. thomasino

http://thepostmodernromantic.blogspot.com


.



From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Wed Dec 19 12:57:53 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:57:53 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
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My final belief on this topic has always been that to be a great poet 
you have to compose great poetry AND somehow make a fraction of the 
literate public admiringly aware of it.  In a fair world those good at 
the first and terrible at the second would make at least ten percent of 
the money those terrible at the first but terrific at the second make.  
It'd be nice to live in a world in which non-poets believing themselves 
to be dedicated to supporting poetry actually tried to do that instead 
of writing, as critics, about poetry other critics have been writing 
about for a decade or more (although not necessarily about /poets/ other 
critics have been dealing with) or, as tradesmen in the arts, published 
or otherwise trying commercially to exploit something other than what 
other publishers have been publishing or otherwise pushing for a decade 
or more, or, as patrons, bestowed grants and fellowships on poets who 
have not been getting them for a decade or more--or writing just like 
them. 

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From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec 19 14:16:21 2007
From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:16:21 +0000
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
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I think the problem in this matter occurs where a fair number of people 
make careers out of having /status/ as poets, and thereby gaining 
grants, residencies, lectureships etc as their main source of income. So 
the focus becomes not writing well but acquiring a validated (by whom?) 
membership of a profession without accountable standards, formal 
qualifications, objective measurements of credentials, unlike doctors, 
teachers, lawyers etc, or demonstrable and agreed standards of 
proficiency, as in  serious theatre or music. It's like Freemasonry in 
being both public and reclusive but unlike Freemasonry the methods of 
acceptance into the fold are unknown, but certainly this focus on 
'making it' weakens the standards of writing.

Btw I think Hughes also relied on his income as a farmer to some extent.

-- 

David Bircumshaw
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Wed Dec 19 15:11:28 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:11:28 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Oh
Message-ID: <005201c8427b$57291560$f4a93852@ANNY>

http://www.nonfinito.de/oh/


you need just a second patience, I think worth it, 


Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
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From chris.kelly at nyu.edu  Wed Dec 19 16:03:36 2007
From: chris.kelly at nyu.edu (Christopher Kelly)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:03:36 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
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Also, sales of Plath's work in US produced a significant revenue stream for TH. 



----- Original Message -----
From: David Bircumshaw <david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;	Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>


> I think the problem in this matter occurs where a fair number of 
> people 
> make careers out of having /status/ as poets, and thereby gaining 
> grants, residencies, lectureships etc as their main source of income. 
> So 
> the focus becomes not writing well but acquiring a validated (by 
> whom?) 
> membership of a profession without accountable standards, formal 
> qualifications, objective measurements of credentials, unlike doctors, 
> 
> teachers, lawyers etc, or demonstrable and agreed standards of 
> proficiency, as in  serious theatre or music. It's like Freemasonry in 
> 
> being both public and reclusive but unlike Freemasonry the methods of 
> 
> acceptance into the fold are unknown, but certainly this focus on 
> 'making it' weakens the standards of writing.
> 
> Btw I think Hughes also relied on his income as a farmer to some extent.
> 
> -- 
> 
> David Bircumshaw
> Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From editor at pavementsaw.org  Wed Dec 19 16:40:36 2007
From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:40:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] RE: Big Bucks in Poetics
In-Reply-To: <200712191700.lBJH055F019546@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
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One of authors who makes his entire livelihood on poetry: reading and workshop fees comprises over 80% of income. Book sales is a small part of the total. There are not many full time poets, I would expect that to be the case for all. 



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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Wed Dec 19 16:52:18 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:52:18 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
References: <60331.72.227.132.12.1198079685.squirrel@webmail.web.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c84289$6d153bc0$f4a93852@ANNY>

re.:
http://albany.edu/offcourse/summer07/r_nirenberg_professionalism_revisited.html

it is an exceptional read, till when he dies.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "e?ratio" <editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com>
To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics


> Big Bucks in Poetics
>
> I think it was Auden (correct me if I'm wrong) who said the poet must also
> be a tradesman.  For a long time I puzzled over this, being not quite
> certain (or ready to accept) what he meant, until I realized he was
> talking about promoting yourself, promoting your poetry and doing the
> business of getting published and readings and establishing a peer group,
> all the "literary business."  I resisted this conclusion because I felt
> the tradesman stuff was "beneath me" and not in the spirit of "being a
> poet," or rather it did not fit my romantic notion of what and how and why
> a poet does.  I always felt (this was indeed my experience) that writing
> poetry was easier than getting it published; that, and all the "tradesman"
> stuff, requires a different set of skills and talents, which I did not
> feel inclined to cultivate.  To be a poet in obscuirity (albeit with my
> own set of relations to other poets and writers and teachers and so) did
> not seem unnatural, and maybe because I always believed (in my heart) that
> if the poetry was good, that good poetry will out in the end because that
> was the way with poetry, that some poetry was downright inevitable, and
> would eventually defeat its obscurity.  I believed that poetry was "magic"
> in that way.  Today I know a good many "poets" who are better at being
> "tradesmen" than at creating poetry.  It's like having to ingratiate
> yourself to the department chair, even when or especially when you know
> exactly how he got there.  But then again maybe that's unfair, afterall
> it's your job and ya gotta do wutcha gotta do.  How about this one:  It's
> like ingratiating yourself to people with whom you feel no affinity
> whatsoever, despite that you both call yourselves "poets."
>
> I recommend this essay, entitled "Professionalism Revisited"
>
>
> http://albany.edu/offcourse/summer07/r_nirenberg_professionalism_revisited.html
>
> it's by Mr. Ricardo Nirenberg and is on his literary journal, Offcourse.
> It's maybe the best essay I've read this year.  If the url doesn't work
> please then paste it in, I promise it is worth the effort. . . .
>
>
> "I'm not sure where in the Constitution it covers the position of Poet
> Laureate, but as I've noted before when this subject crops up, the
> position is not funded with tax dollars.  It's a private endowment,
> administered by the Librarian of Congress.
>
> I would guess that virtually no poet lives on royalties.  Even Merwin has
> over the years brought in a lot of his cash via readings, translations,
> and such.  I'd be surprised if he actually lives on book sales per se, but
> I could be wrong.
>
> If you count readings, conference appearances, contest judging, editorial
> work, and other ancillary activities, not simply book sales, I would
> further wager that quite a few American poets could live quite well off
> their art without tenured teaching gigs.  Donald Hall has been doing it
> for decades, to cite one such instance, and so has Robert Bly."
>
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
>
>
> "David,
> You're right, I believe. There are few poets surviving solely?in
> the?marketplace. Those who have, generally speaking, are successful in
> another realm, like the novel or pop-music. Think Jim Harrison or Leonard
> Cohen.
>
> If we totaled the college/university reading?fees and private foundation
> grants/awards given to Merwin, I think we'd see a poet beholden to the
> academy and the?charitable sector. Also, where would Merwin be without the
> teaching poets teaching his work?
>
> I'm a Merwin fan from way back, I might mention."
>
> Finnegan
>
> "Ted Hughes lived off his writing-- note though that he didn't just
> publish poetry but also children's books, BBC scripts, commissions of one
> sort or another.  Plath also lived off of her writing and worked very hard
> to make her name writing for "women's magazines".  Ladies Home Journal,
> Reader's Digest, etc.  It paid.  The Bell Jar was written with the goal of
> breaking into the bestselling "pot-boiler" novel genre.
>
> So yeah, you can make money off of your writing.  I guess I do that
> technically speaking-- I'm a professional tech writer.  My latest client
> just gave me an iPod as a thank you present.  As a poet the best I can
> hope for is maybe a free beer and all the cheese I can eat. :-)
>
> Merwin doesn;t work directly in Academia, but he certainly reads and
> speaks in academically funded situations, and I am sure judges the Yale
> series has some small change attached to it.  He also translates and has
> done very well there.  His place in Hawaii is supposed to be gorgeous."
>
> Suzanne
>
> posted by gregory vincent st. thomasino
>
> http://thepostmodernromantic.blogspot.com
>



From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com  Wed Dec 19 16:59:04 2007
From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?e=B7ratio?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:59:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks and Income from Sales of Plath's Work
Message-ID: <62898.72.227.132.12.1198101544.squirrel@webmail.web.com>

And, really, this income is keeping Frieda in paints and Burberry.  But I
don't think Plath is a good example (-- I think Plath's fame rests on her
suicide).  Anyway, what I'm wondering is: Is there really any "peer
review" in poetry?  Just exactly what are the qualifications?  And if
you're an English Prof, and a poet, your "publish or perish" thing relies
not on publishing your poetry (right? cough) but on your scholarship (? --
right eyebrow goes up).  (I am reminded of that ancient "peer review"
system of political poetry known as to cold-shoulder the other from your
group -- "peer review" indeed.)

(I am reminded of der fall James Joyce.  I am crying.)


poeted by st. thomasino


http://thepostmodernromantic.blogspot.com/

e?



From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec 19 18:07:17 2007
From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:07:17 +0000
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks and Income from Sales of Plath's Work
In-Reply-To: <62898.72.227.132.12.1198101544.squirrel@webmail.web.com>
References: <62898.72.227.132.12.1198101544.squirrel@webmail.web.com>
Message-ID: <4769A425.4060708@ntlworld.com>

Occasionally the 'system', if that's the right word for it, forgets to 
keep the curtains closed and one obtains a partial view of what happens, 
whatever that is, as when the English Poetry Review 'discovered' Glyn 
Maxwell as an unemployed unknown in the sticks who wrote poetry, 
unconnected to any literary links,  and continually trumpeted the fact 
as an example of openness, an encouragement to all, the same Glyn 
Maxwell who was a prize pupil of Derek Walcott in the States and had 
just returned to the UK after having completed his studies under Walcott 
and others, his credentials a-ready.

One could get cynical but there's far worse fiddles beyond all this faddle.

-- 

David Bircumshaw
Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html



From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec 19 18:13:47 2007
From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:13:47 +0000
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks and Income from Sales of Plath's Work
In-Reply-To: <62898.72.227.132.12.1198101544.squirrel@webmail.web.com>
References: <62898.72.227.132.12.1198101544.squirrel@webmail.web.com>
Message-ID: <4769A5AB.8020804@ntlworld.com>

PS in Britain's case one possible parallel to the poetry 'scene' is the 
diplomatic service, where appointments still occur on the principle of 
odd moves in mysterious ways.

-- 

David Bircumshaw
Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html



From rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu  Wed Dec 19 23:46:40 2007
From: rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu (Richard Wilsnack)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:46:40 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] What is art?
In-Reply-To: <243907.14556.qm@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <243907.14556.qm@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4769F3B0.2070104@medicine.nodak.edu>

Since we have given so much attention to the question of "what is 
poetry," I thought listmembers might enjoy a few opinions about "what is 
art," with help from claymation.

Go to  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDo_vs3Aip4 and enjoy as much as 
you can. Merry (!) Christmas.

Richard W. Wilsnack
rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu


From atelierjewelweed at gmail.com  Thu Dec 20 01:34:17 2007
From: atelierjewelweed at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:34:17 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
In-Reply-To: <d5829137e7046.476940d8@mail.nyu.edu>
References: <200712171700.lBHH045G000935@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
	<BLU103-W4A28BB6E97DBE2C91212D90620@phx.gbl>
	<930F6806-EF83-4C7B-BC62-B95FE4C04276@ripon.edu>
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Actually, it was a remarkably small income stream considering the notoriety
of the author. I wish I could remember where I read the final figures on the
value of the Plath estate-- it was considerably less than what one might
imagine.  Hughes himself lived fairly modestly.  This was always part of his
strategy, and it was also Plath's while she was alive-- spend little, save
your acorns, and focus on your writing.  During her life, Plath wanted most
of all to write full time and frugality was always second nature to her (no
Burberry or Chanel for her, in other words).

I don't know where Frieda Hughes is getting her Burberry, but she is having
some legal problems with Ted Hughes's widow over her share of the estate
which I believe was only about 200K-- not a shabby figure for sure, but
hardly a big whup as far as estates go.  Regardless, I think we can all
agree that Hughes did not make his living solely from his poetry.

Suzanne



On Dec 19, 2007 4:03 PM, Christopher Kelly <chris.kelly at nyu.edu> wrote:

>
> Also, sales of Plath's work in US produced a significant revenue stream
> for TH.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Bircumshaw <david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:17 pm
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;  Views" <
> new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>
>
> > I think the problem in this matter occurs where a fair number of
> > people
> > make careers out of having /status/ as poets, and thereby gaining
> > grants, residencies, lectureships etc as their main source of income.
> > So
> > the focus becomes not writing well but acquiring a validated (by
> > whom?)
> > membership of a profession without accountable standards, formal
> > qualifications, objective measurements of credentials, unlike doctors,
> >
> > teachers, lawyers etc, or demonstrable and agreed standards of
> > proficiency, as in  serious theatre or music. It's like Freemasonry in
> >
> > being both public and reclusive but unlike Freemasonry the methods of
> >
> > acceptance into the fold are unknown, but certainly this focus on
> > 'making it' weakens the standards of writing.
> >
> > Btw I think Hughes also relied on his income as a farmer to some extent.
> >
> > --
> >
> > David Bircumshaw
> > Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
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From atelierjewelweed at gmail.com  Thu Dec 20 01:44:06 2007
From: atelierjewelweed at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:44:06 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
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Whoa, never mind, I take that back.  My memory at this hour must be fogged
by insomnia.  I found that article, and the estate is estimated to be
currently worth 3.5 million.  Yowza. And yes, Frieda and Carol are at war
over it.  Sad.

Suzanne



On Dec 20, 2007 1:34 AM, Suzanne Burns <atelierjewelweed at gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, it was a remarkably small income stream considering the
> notoriety of the author. I wish I could remember where I read the final
> figures on the value of the Plath estate-- it was considerably less than
> what one might imagine.  Hughes himself lived fairly modestly.  This was
> always part of his strategy, and it was also Plath's while she was alive--
> spend little, save your acorns, and focus on your writing.  During her life,
> Plath wanted most of all to write full time and frugality was always second
> nature to her (no Burberry or Chanel for her, in other words).
>
> I don't know where Frieda Hughes is getting her Burberry, but she is
> having some legal problems with Ted Hughes's widow over her share of the
> estate which I believe was only about 200K-- not a shabby figure for sure,
> but hardly a big whup as far as estates go.  Regardless, I think we can all
> agree that Hughes did not make his living solely from his poetry.
>
> Suzanne
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2007 4:03 PM, Christopher Kelly <chris.kelly at nyu.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > Also, sales of Plath's work in US produced a significant revenue stream
> > for TH.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Bircumshaw < david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:17 pm
> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
> > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;  Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > >
> >
> >
> > > I think the problem in this matter occurs where a fair number of
> > > people
> > > make careers out of having /status/ as poets, and thereby gaining
> > > grants, residencies, lectureships etc as their main source of income.
> > > So
> > > the focus becomes not writing well but acquiring a validated (by
> > > whom?)
> > > membership of a profession without accountable standards, formal
> > > qualifications, objective measurements of credentials, unlike doctors,
> >
> > >
> > > teachers, lawyers etc, or demonstrable and agreed standards of
> > > proficiency, as in  serious theatre or music. It's like Freemasonry in
> > >
> > > being both public and reclusive but unlike Freemasonry the methods of
> > >
> > > acceptance into the fold are unknown, but certainly this focus on
> > > 'making it' weakens the standards of writing.
> > >
> > > Btw I think Hughes also relied on his income as a farmer to some
> > extent.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > David Bircumshaw
> > > Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> > > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > New-Poetry mailing list
> > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Dec 20 01:52:13 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:52:13 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] What is art?
References: <243907.14556.qm@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4769F3B0.2070104@medicine.nodak.edu>
Message-ID: <001e01c842d4$da9cfac0$bbec3652@ANNY>

that is quite funny... :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Wilsnack" <rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu>
To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:46 AM
Subject: [New-Poetry] What is art?


> Since we have given so much attention to the question of "what is 
> poetry," I thought listmembers might enjoy a few opinions about "what is 
> art," with help from claymation.
> 
> Go to  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDo_vs3Aip4 and enjoy as much as 
> you can. Merry (!) Christmas.
> 
> Richard W. Wilsnack
> rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry


From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Dec 20 08:01:01 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:01:01 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Weishaus
Message-ID: <002901c84308$5f78f0e0$d1df3652@ANNY>

on Merton:
http://www.raintaxi.com:80/online/2007winter/thurston.shtml




Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
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From amyhappens at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 20 13:03:02 2007
From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:03:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Apostrophe Cast - Today
In-Reply-To: <002901c84308$5f78f0e0$d1df3652@ANNY>
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Stop by Apostrophe Cast to hear my poems pass through a Brooklyn restaurant ...
 
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 Apostrophe Cast is a bi-weekly online reading series of all things literary. Every other Wednesday night, we offer a new reading or performance from another contributor. Our readings include creative writers from all genres, including fiction, poetry, songs and nonfiction.
 
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From jforjames at aol.com  Thu Dec 20 13:38:41 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:38:41 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Letter to a young poet 
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C12%5C20%5Cstory_20-12-2007_pg3_3
Thursday, December 20, 2007?? 
????? 
PURPLE PATCH:Letter to a young poet ?Rainer Maria Rilke 

?Your letter arrived just a few days ago. I want to thank you for the great confidence you have placed in me. That is all I can do. I cannot discuss your verses; for any attempt at criticism would be foreign to me. Nothing touches a work of art so little as words of criticism: they always result in more or less fortunate misunderstandings. Things aren?t all so tangible and sayable as people would usually have us believe; most experiences are unsayable, they happen in a space that no word has ever entered, and more unsayable than all other things are works of art, those mysterious existences, whose life endures beside our own small, transitory life. 



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From browning at splitthisrock.org  Thu Dec 20 13:44:00 2007
From: browning at splitthisrock.org (browning)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:44:00 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Split This Rock Poetry Festival
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Hi All ?

 

I?m fairly new to this list, but I?ve enjoyed all the great information and
discussion that?s been flying since I signed on. 

 

I wanted to let folks know about a festival of activist poets we?re
organizing here in DC and to invite you to submit poems to the contest and
to check us out on the web at www.SplitThisRock.org
<http://www.splitthisrock.org/> . I?ve pasted an annoucement below. I?d be
most grateful for any help you could give spreading the word ? post it on
your blogs or websites, send it to other lists you?re subscribed to, etc.
Many thanks!

 

best

Sarah Browning

**

 

Split This Rock Poetry Festival: Poems of Provocation & Witness

Washington, DC

March 20-23, 2008

www.SplitThisRock.org <http://www.splitthisrock.org/> 

info at splitthisrock.org 

 

Split This Rock Poetry Festival calls poets to a greater role in public life
and fosters a national network of activist poets. Building the audience for
poetry of provocation and witness from our home in the nation?s capital, we
celebrate poetic diversity and the transformative power of the imagination.
Featuring readings, workshops, panels, contests, walking tours, film,
parties, and activism! See the website for the incredible line-up of poets,
including Lucille Clifton, Mark Doty, Mart?n Espada, Sam Hamill, Galway
Kinnell, Naomi Shihab Nye, Sonia Sanchez, and many more. Split This Rock is
cosponsored by DC Poets Against the War, Sol & Soul, Busboys and Poets, and
the Institute for Policy Studies. www.SplitThisRock.org
<http://www.splitthisrock.org/>  

 

Panel Proposals ? Deadline Extended to January 1: Split this Rock invites
proposals for panel discussions and workshops on a range of topics at the
intersection of poetry and social change. Possibilities are endless.
Challenge us. Let?s talk about craft, let?s talk about mentoring young
poets, let?s talk about working in prisons, connecting with the activist
community, sustaining ourselves in dark times, the role of poetry in
wartime. Deadline extended to January 1, 2008. Download the form here:
http://splitthisrock.org/documents/Call-for-Proposals.doc 

 

Poetry Contest ? January 15 Deadline: The contest benefits Split This Rock
Poetry Festival. $1,000 awarded for poems of provocation & witness; Kyle G.
Dargan will judge. $500 for 1st, $300 for 2nd, and $200 for 3rd place. 1st
place winner will read the winning poem at the festival. The poem will also
be published on the festival website at www.SplitThisRock.org
<http://www.splitthisrock.org/> . All winners receive free festival
admission. $20 entry fee benefits the festival. Postmark Deadline: January
15, 2008. Guidelines for entry: http://splitthisrock.org/contests.html. 

 

NEW! Call for Poetry Films ? January 30 Deadline: Seeking artistic,
experimental, and challenging interpretations of poetry that explore
critical social issues. Films up to 15 minutes. Entry fee: $15. Selected
films and videos will be screened during the festival?s film program. For
full guidelines and required entry form: http://splitthisrock.org/film.html 

 

Support Split This Rock, the historic gathering of activist poets: Every
dollar you give is tax-deductible through our fiscal sponsor, the Institute
for Policy Studies. Just click here:
https://secure.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizations/IPS/shop/custom.jsp?d
onate_page_KEY=1120 and be sure to designate "Split This Rock" as the
project you'd like to support. Or send a check payable to "IPS/Split This
Rock" to: IPS, 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600, Washington, DC  20036. Many
thanks! Your contribution will make a tremendous difference.

 

 

 

 

**

Sarah Browning

Coordinator

Split This Rock Poetry Festival

c/o Institute for Policy Studies

1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600

Washington, DC 20036

 <mailto:browning at splitthisrock.org> browning at splitthisrock.org

 <http://www.splitthisrock.org/> www.splitthisrock.org

 <http://www.dcpaw.org/> www.dcpaw.org

 <http://sarahbrowning.blogspot.com/> http://sarahbrowning.blogspot.com/ 

202-577-6596

 

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From jforjames at aol.com  Thu Dec 20 16:55:34 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:55:34 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
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Was it Everett Dirksen who said "A million here, a million there, and soon we're talking real money." 
But a million isn't what it used to be. A small farm, in England or New?England,?could go for that figure.
Finnegan

-----Original Message-----
From: Suzanne Burns <atelierjewelweed at gmail.com>
Bcc: jforjames at aol.com
Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 1:44 am
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics


Whoa, never mind, I take that back.? My memory at this hour must be fogged by insomnia.? I found that article, and the estate is estimated to be currently worth 3.5 million.? Yowza. And yes, Frieda and Carol are at war over it.? Sad. 

Suzanne



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From jforjames at aol.com  Thu Dec 20 17:21:07 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:21:07 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] I Like My Rejection Slow and Painful
Message-ID: <8CA116DC0469107-3CC-12A8@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2007/11/27/too-efficient/
November 27th, 2007, by Waldo Jaquith 


We thought we knew what to expect from The Angry Letter. These have arrived periodically for the past ? and I?m guessing here ? eighty two years, always an author who submitted something to us months or even years ago, and he?s heard nothing from us. Generally he?s right to be angry (two and a half years is rather a long time to read a single poem), and we have to track down the errant envelope, whether it?s lodged under a seat cushion or affixed to an unrelated submission. Failing that, we have to beg forgiveness and a resubmission which, in these days of computers, is less disastrous than it was when people would send us their sole copy.


The Angry Letter has taken on a radical new form, now that we have a whizzy new electronic submission system. At least a few people each week are upset because they heard back from us too quickly. 


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From jforjames at aol.com  Thu Dec 20 17:24:27 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:24:27 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: ABC Radio National Books and Drama newsletter,
	21-28 December
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-----Original Message-----
From: ABC Radio National Books & Drama Programs <airplay at your.abc.net.au>
To: JforJames at aol.com
Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 6:00 pm
Subject: ABC Radio National Books and Drama newsletter, 21-28 December



ABC Radio National
ooks and Drama newsletter
1-28 December 2007

OETICA
2/12/2007 15:00
7/12/2007 15:00 (repeat)
HE EARTHBOUND SPIRIT
RL: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/poetica/
The Earthbound Spirit' features poetry by Rumi and Hafez, two of the great Sufi 
oets, and songs and music inspired by these poems by composer Oonagh Sherrard. 
ufi poetry is famous for its rich and layered metaphors, and the poetry 
elected for the program particularly features music as a metaphor.

HORT STORY
3/12/2007 - 8.30
 WOULDN'T MISS CHRISTMAS, by David Campbell, read by Raj Ryan, Produced by Anne 
ynter
RL: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/shortstory/
njoying themselves playing "dress-ups" brings children an insight into their 
arents' lives.
avid Campbell (1915 ? 1979) was known as a lyric poet whose stories and poetry 
eflected a deep love of the land. He was educated at Cambridge and served in 
WII but returned afterwards to the pastoral background from which he had come. 

HORT STORY
3/12/2007 - 15.35
RIVE, by John Kinsella, read by Neil Pigot, produced by Anne McInerney
RL: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/shortstory/
he occasion of the horses? escape from his neighbour?s paddocks gives a chance 
or him to break down the barriers, if he so chooses.
ohn Kinsella (born 1963) is an Australian poet, novelist, critic, essayist and 
ditor. His writing is strongly influenced by landscape and he espouses an 
international regionalism' in his approach to place. He has also frequently 
orked in collaboration with other writers, artists and musicians.

IRST PERSON
onday to Friday 10.45am
4/12/2007 - 28/12/2007
ANTA - A LIFE, by Jeremy Seal, read by Alan Cox, produced by the BBC
RL: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/firstperson/
here?s a man we all know very well, who we actually don?t know much about. In 
007 Santa is ubiquitous across the globe, but how did he come to be that way? 
rom Byzantium Turkey to modern-day Lapland, via Amsterdam, Manhattan and 
irmingham, English author Jeremy Seal goes off in search of the man behind the 
yth, following in his footsteps around the world, and explaining how a 
elatively minor third century bishop named Nicholas transmogrified into Father 
hristmas.
eremy Seal has written several acclaimed travel books, and also is a regular 
ontributor to publications including the Sunday Times and Conde Nast Traveller. 

adio National homepage: http://abc.net/rn
Tune in: http://abc.net.au/rn/freq/map.htm








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From amyhappens at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 20 17:27:16 2007
From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:27:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Chimera:  I Am My Own Twin
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Featuring

  David Baratier
 Jeffery Beam
 John M. Bennett
 John Berndt
 Dan Breen
 David-Baptiste Chirot
 Mark Dickinson
 Adam Good
 Diana Bellessi translated by Cathy Eisenhower
 Raymond Farr
 Jamie Gaughran-Perez
 Amira Hanafi
 Jeff Harrison
 Amy King
 Richard Kostelanetz
 M. Magnus
 Megan McShea (with John Eaton)
 a.e.m.
 Tom Orange
 Ross Priddle
 Ric Royer
 Cole Swenson
 Chris Toll
 justin sirois
 Irving Weiss
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From jforjames at aol.com  Thu Dec 20 18:24:31 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:24:31 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?Bell_in_Caf=C3=A9?=
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http://media.www.dailyiowan.com/media/storage/paper599/news/2007/12/20/Metro/A.Big.Room.Full.Of.Writers-3144986.shtml
A big room full of writers
Kelsey Beltramea - The Daily Iowan
Issue date: 12/20/07 Section: Metro
PrintEmail DoubleClick Any Word Page 1 of 1 
Media Credit: Whitney Wright/The Daily Iowan
Poet Marvin Bell talks about his inspiration for creating his poem "Writers in Caf?" during an interview at his Iowa City home on Nov. 4.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Audio feature:

Poet Marvin Bell Reads his piece 'Writers in a Cafe'

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Enclosed within the special hand-crafted box of Iowa City's application for the City of Literature distinction, alongside the formal dossier, lies what some have called the heart of the effort: a poem by Marvin Bell, written just for the occasion.


"Writers in a Caf?," printed on handmade hemp paper and adorned with calligraphy, will be one of the first documents that the U.N. Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization will read.



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From atelierjewelweed at gmail.com  Fri Dec 21 12:44:15 2007
From: atelierjewelweed at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:44:15 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
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Thanks for saying this Jim.  I was thinking the same thing-- even
though 3.5million is nothing to sneeze at, that figure is not as big
as it might sound
when you factor in the current economy.

By the way, a small farm in Devon in today's market would absolutely account
for much more than a million-- condo prices even in Western Ireland make
Boston real estate prices look like child's play.  Back when I was in
college I was able to live in Dublin on a poet's budget-- those days are
long, long gone.  Then of course there are the taxes, including estate taxes
which all over Europe are very, very steep.

When you look at the big picture, maybe it isn't quite so grand.

Suzanne

On Dec 20, 2007 4:55 PM, <jforjames at aol.com> wrote:

> Was it Everett Dirksen who said "A million here, a million there, and soon
> we're talking real money."
> But a million isn't what it used to be. A small farm, in England or
> New England, could go for that figure.
> Finnegan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Suzanne Burns <atelierjewelweed at gmail.com>
> Bcc: jforjames at aol.com
> Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 1:44 am
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Big Bucks in Poetics
>
> Whoa, never mind, I take that back.  My memory at this hour must be fogged
> by insomnia.  I found that article, and the estate is estimated to be
> currently worth 3.5 million.  Yowza. And yes, Frieda and Carol are at war
> over it.  Sad.
>
> Suzanne
>
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Dec 21 15:07:18 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:07:18 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fw=3A_=5BNarcissusWorks=5D_/_G=FCnte?=
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:38 PM
Subject: [NarcissusWorks] / G?nter Brus / Actions 1964/65




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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Dec 21 15:07:39 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:07:39 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Silvia Levenson's Xmas
Message-ID: <006601c8440d$23876ac0$91d93052@ANNY>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Anny Ballardini 
To: anny.ballardini at tin.it 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:41 PM
Subject: [NarcissusWorks] Silvia Levenson's Xmas




For more on Silvia Levenson.


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From amyhappens at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 21 17:12:30 2007
From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:12:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Do Some Last Minute Holiday Shopping!
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Changing the Present

The gifts range from $6 for a stove for a family to $15 to help reduce carbon emissions to preparing for disasters (something Bush didn?t do!) for $30; click here to do your last minute tax-deductible holiday shopping:
 
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 Cheers,
 
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Interviews 

http://www.loc.gov/poetry/poetpoem.html
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From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec 22 12:31:03 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:31:03 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Alexander 'Sandy' Taylor: A force for poetry,
	a force for the people
Message-ID: <bd8.25e36fcd.349ea3d7@aol.com>

_http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-cttaylorobit1222.artdec22,0,5991631.stor
y_ 
(http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-cttaylorobit1222.artdec22,0,5991631.story) 
A Force In Poetry Passes
 
Alexander 'Sandy' Taylor and Judith Doyle, co-directors of Curbstone Press,  
are pictured here celebrating the Willimantic non-profit publishing company's  
30th anniversary in 2005. Taylor died Friday, Dec. 21, 2007 at age 76. (Kathy 
 Hanley / September 12, 2005)
 
By CAROLE GOLDBERG | COURANT BOOKS EDITOR 
December 22, 2007 
 
When Mart?n Espada heard that his friend and mentor Alexander "Sandy"  
Taylor, co-founder of Curbstone Press in Willimantic, was near death, he knew  what 
he had to do.
 
 



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From grahamd at ripon.edu  Sun Dec 23 00:20:11 2007
From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:20:11 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Holiday spirit
Message-ID: <39E0E4AD-F337-479D-81B5-B83FD0C80E1E@ripon.edu>

A Severe Lack Of Holiday Spirit

I dread the icy white concussion
of winter. Each snowfall demands
panic, like a kidnapper's hand
clapped over my chapped mouth.
Ice forms everywhere, a plague
of glass.  Christmas ornaments'
sickly tinkle makes my molars ache.
One pities the anemic sun
come January.  Trees go skeletal.
Children born in the chilly months
are apt to stammer.  People hit
the sauce in a big way all winter.
Amidst blizzards they wrestle
unsuccessfully with the dark comedy
of their lives, laughter trapped
in their frigid gizzards.  Meanwhile,
the mercury just plummets,
like a migrating duck blasted
out of the sky by some hunter
in a cap with fur earflaps.

--Amy Gerstler.  Medicine.  Penguin Books, 2000.





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From grahamd at RIPON.EDU  Sun Dec 23 09:43:55 2007
From: grahamd at RIPON.EDU (David Graham)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:43:55 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Bly
Message-ID: <05B7968D-1963-46B8-B0D8-B60EC4794D1B@RIPON.EDU>

Hard to believe that the old rascal really is old.   Birthday today:   
he's 81.

My Father At 85

His large ears hear
everything.
A hermit wakes
and sleeps
in a hut underneath
his gaunt cheeks.
His eyes blue,
alert, dis-
appointed and suspicious
complain
I do not bring him
the same sort of jokes
the nurses do.
He is a small bird
waiting to be fed,
mostly beak,
an eagle or a vulture
or the Pharoah's servant
just before death.
My arm on the bedrail
rests there,
relaxed, with new love.
All I know of the Troubadours
I bring
to this bed.
I do not want
or need
to be shamed
by him
any longer.
The general of shame
has discharged him
and left him in this
small provincial
Egyptian town.
If I do not wish
to shame him, then
why not
love him?
His long hands,
large, veined, capable,
can still retain
hold of what he wanted.
But is that
what he desired?
Some powerful
river of desire
goes on flowing
through him.
He never phrased
what he desired,
and I am
his son.

-- Robert Bly.  Best American Poetry 1989, ed. Donald Hall.



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From grahamd at ripon.edu  Sun Dec 23 10:51:04 2007
From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:51:04 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Bly ii
In-Reply-To: <05B7968D-1963-46B8-B0D8-B60EC4794D1B@RIPON.EDU>
References: <05B7968D-1963-46B8-B0D8-B60EC4794D1B@RIPON.EDU>
Message-ID: <46BD698C-81FA-481F-8412-5AC66D09D48A@ripon.edu>

And one more from Bly.  I've noticed that Bly remains a fairly  
polarizing figure in American poetry, and reactions range from  
snorting dismissals to hero-worship--just as they did 30 years ago.

I suppose he didn't do his reputation among poets much good with the  
*Iron John* stuff, which made him famous & wealthy beyond what poets  
usually achieve, and gave him an even greater platform for his less  
conventional views.  But he's always been an original poet, spinning  
off ideas & metaphors at a wondrous clip, and though I'll never take  
part in a drum circle, I've always read his poems.  And I think he is  
one of our most fascinating editors of other poets' work.

But I haven't noticed a lot of discussion of his late work versus the  
earlier.  As far as I can see, he's getting stranger & more  
interesting with age.


The Buried Train

Tell me about the train that people say got buried
By the avalanche--was it snow?--It was
In Colorado, and no one saw it happen.
There was smoke from the engine curling up

Lightly through fir tops, and the engine sounds.
There were all those people reading--some
 From Thoreau, some from Henry Ward Beecher.
And the engineer smoking and putting his head out.

I wonder when that happened. Was it after
High School, or was it the year we were two?
We entered this narrow place, and we heard the sound
Above us--the train couldn't move fast enough.

It isn't clear what happened next. Are you and I
Still sitting there in the train, waiting for the lights
To go on? Or did the real train get really buried;
So at night a ghost train comes out and keeps going...

  --Robert Bly.  The Nation.  October 1994.

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Home Page:
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On Dec 23, 2007, at 8:43 AM, David Graham wrote:

> Hard to believe that the old rascal really is old.   Birthday  
> today:  he's 81.
>
> My Father At 85
>
> His large ears hear
> everything.
> A hermit wakes
> and sleeps
> in a hut underneath
> his gaunt cheeks.
> His eyes blue,
> alert, dis-
> appointed and suspicious
> complain
> I do not bring him
> the same sort of jokes
> the nurses do.
> He is a small bird
> waiting to be fed,
> mostly beak,
> an eagle or a vulture
> or the Pharoah's servant
> just before death.
> My arm on the bedrail
> rests there,
> relaxed, with new love.
> All I know of the Troubadours
> I bring
> to this bed.
> I do not want
> or need
> to be shamed
> by him
> any longer.
> The general of shame
> has discharged him
> and left him in this
> small provincial
> Egyptian town.
> If I do not wish
> to shame him, then
> why not
> love him?
> His long hands,
> large, veined, capable,
> can still retain
> hold of what he wanted.
> But is that
> what he desired?
> Some powerful
> river of desire
> goes on flowing
> through him.
> He never phrased
> what he desired,
> and I am
> his son.
>
> -- Robert Bly.  Best American Poetry 1989, ed. Donald Hall.
>
>
>
> ========================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu
>
> Home Page:
> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html
>
> Poetry Library:
> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Dec 23 11:28:01 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:28:01 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Bly ii
References: <05B7968D-1963-46B8-B0D8-B60EC4794D1B@RIPON.EDU>
	<46BD698C-81FA-481F-8412-5AC66D09D48A@ripon.edu>
Message-ID: <004401c84580$c9629270$87a93852@ANNY>

A Dream of Suffocation

Accountants hover over the earth like helicopters,
Dropping bits of paper engraved with Hegel's name.
Badgers carry the papers on their fur
To their den, where the entire family dies in the night.

A chorus girl stands for hours behind her curtains
Looking out at the street.
In a window of a trucking service
There is a branch painted white.
A stuffed baby alligator grips that branch tightly
To keep away from the dry leaves on the floor.

The honeycomb at night has strange dreams:
Small black trains going round and round--
Old warships drowning in the raindrop.



taken from here: http://www.math.buffalo.edu/~sww/poetry2/bly_robert.html

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Graham 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:51 PM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Bly ii


  And one more from Bly.  I've noticed that Bly remains a fairly polarizing figure in American poetry, and reactions range from snorting dismissals to hero-worship--just as they did 30 years ago.  


  I suppose he didn't do his reputation among poets much good with the *Iron John* stuff, which made him famous & wealthy beyond what poets usually achieve, and gave him an even greater platform for his less conventional views.  But he's always been an original poet, spinning off ideas & metaphors at a wondrous clip, and though I'll never take part in a drum circle, I've always read his poems.  And I think he is one of our most fascinating editors of other poets' work.  



  But I haven't noticed a lot of discussion of his late work versus the earlier.  As far as I can see, he's getting stranger & more interesting with age.  





  The Buried Train

  Tell me about the train that people say got buried
  By the avalanche--was it snow?--It was
  In Colorado, and no one saw it happen.
  There was smoke from the engine curling up

  Lightly through fir tops, and the engine sounds.
  There were all those people reading--some
  From Thoreau, some from Henry Ward Beecher.
  And the engineer smoking and putting his head out.

  I wonder when that happened. Was it after
  High School, or was it the year we were two?
  We entered this narrow place, and we heard the sound
  Above us--the train couldn't move fast enough.

  It isn't clear what happened next. Are you and I
  Still sitting there in the train, waiting for the lights
  To go on? Or did the real train get really buried;
  So at night a ghost train comes out and keeps going...

   --Robert Bly.  The Nation.  October 1994.

  ========================================
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  grahamd at ripon.edu


  Home Page:
  http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html


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  On Dec 23, 2007, at 8:43 AM, David Graham wrote:


    Hard to believe that the old rascal really is old.   Birthday today:  he's 81.  


    My Father At 85

    His large ears hear
    everything.
    A hermit wakes
    and sleeps
    in a hut underneath
    his gaunt cheeks.
    His eyes blue,
    alert, dis-
    appointed and suspicious
    complain
    I do not bring him
    the same sort of jokes
    the nurses do.
    He is a small bird
    waiting to be fed,
    mostly beak,
    an eagle or a vulture
    or the Pharoah's servant
    just before death.
    My arm on the bedrail
    rests there,
    relaxed, with new love.
    All I know of the Troubadours
    I bring
    to this bed.
    I do not want
    or need
    to be shamed
    by him 
    any longer.
    The general of shame
    has discharged him
    and left him in this
    small provincial
    Egyptian town.
    If I do not wish
    to shame him, then
    why not
    love him?
    His long hands,
    large, veined, capable,
    can still retain
    hold of what he wanted.
    But is that
    what he desired?
    Some powerful
    river of desire
    goes on flowing
    through him.
    He never phrased
    what he desired,
    and I am
    his son.

    -- Robert Bly.  Best American Poetry 1989, ed. Donald Hall.





    ========================================
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    grahamd at ripon.edu


    Home Page:
    http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html


    Poetry Library:
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From AlMaginnes at aol.com  Sun Dec 23 12:49:16 2007
From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:49:16 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Bly ii
Message-ID: <c12.24afffc0.349ff99c@aol.com>

I have to admit I haven't really kept up with Bly in recent years, and even  
the folks I know who admire Bly (which I don't all that much) refer mostly to  
the work from the 60s and 70s. Maybe, though, I need to do some reading and 
see  what I've missed. 



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From grahamd at ripon.edu  Sun Dec 23 14:51:18 2007
From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:51:18 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Robert Bly iii
In-Reply-To: <c12.24afffc0.349ff99c@aol.com>
References: <c12.24afffc0.349ff99c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BD76827F-C1D2-4448-90C6-D2CF329B9C7C@ripon.edu>

I know what you mean about not keeping up with Bly.  Somewhere in the  
early 1980s I got tired of his tricks, after a deep early  
infatuation, and I stopped paying close attention.  Years later a  
friend of mine kept bugging me to have another look, saying he'd  
really been doing some good stuff, and when I finally relented and  
did look, I agreed.  Starting with *Morning Poems* in 1997, I think  
he got a real second wind as he moved into his 70s.

In recent years Bly has been experimenting with a (very) loose ghazal  
form, and I think the flirtation with structure has been good for his  
work.  He's still mad as the mist & snow, to quote Yeats, but perhaps  
a bit more musical about it.

So Be It. Amen.

There are people who don't want Kierkegaard to be
A humpback, and they're looking for a wife for C?zanne.
It's hard for them to say, "So be it. Amen."

When a dead dog turned up on the road, the disciples
Held their noses. Jesus walked over and said:
"What beautiful teeth!" It's a way to say "Amen."

If a young boy leaps over seven hurdles in a row,
And an instant later is an old man reaching for his cane,
To the swiftness of it all we have to say "Amen."

We always want to intervene when we hear
That the badger is marrying the wrong person,
But the best thing to say at a wedding is "Amen."

The grapes of our ruin were planted centuries
Before Caedmon ever praised the Milky Way.
"Praise God," "Damn God" are all synonyms for "Amen."

Women in Crete loved the young men, but when
"The Son of the Deep Waters" dies in the bath,
And they show the rose-colored water, Mary says "Amen."

Robert Bly. The Night Abraham Called to the Stars (Harper Collins,  
2001).



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On Dec 23, 2007, at 11:49 AM, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote:

> I have to admit I haven't really kept up with Bly in recent years,  
> and even the folks I know who admire Bly (which I don't all that  
> much) refer mostly to the work from the 60s and 70s. Maybe, though,  
> I need to do some reading and see what I've missed.
>
>
>
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From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 23 15:30:06 2007
From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:30:06 +0000
Subject: [New-Poetry] Bly in Cambridge on Plymption St.
In-Reply-To: <200712231700.lBNH052g019824@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
References: <200712231700.lBNH052g019824@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W41603641116B8548DBCA3F90580@phx.gbl>


I remember the time Bly lorded it over everyone at the Grolier.
He was in that serape, sitting on the couch, pontificating.
A lot of the locals were there: Bruce Comjean (Andy Wylie
and Patty Smith's publisher), Ken Irby, and George Burroughs,
Orson Bean's father. the mailman, and Judge Wyzanski,
Gordon's advisor on how to deal with the execution of his estate.  Bly was reading his own poem but no one heard it.
We were all too focused on asking ourselves,
"How does this guy get off coming in here and giving us
all the whatfor and wherefrom?"  Gordon let Bly go on.
On the wall a giant photo portrait of Dame Sitwell watched.R. Dillon
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 24 10:25:49 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:25:49 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac and to the members of this
	list
Message-ID: <001a01c84641$43663750$a88e3052@ANNY>

Poem: "Brigid Newly Arrived" by George Johnston, from The Essential George Johnston. ? The Porcupine's Quill, 2007. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) 

Brigid Newly Arrived 

Dear child, dear little child,
hardly into the world,
a few weeks into our
cold you intrude your fire
for us to warm ourselves.
Look kindly on our eyes
that gaze down into yours
to quicken our low fires.

Dear wordless little girl,
forgive our words, we live
by them as you soon shall.
Choose wisely as you grow
into your wording age
among their worn meanings
some you will surely need
and we bleed to give you:
luck, charity, courage.



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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 24 10:27:38 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:27:38 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] cheers
Message-ID: <002801c84641$84761990$a88e3052@ANNY>

A French idea (excuse my French), you can dowload your favorite wine directly from the site of the producers:

http://www.mensup.fr/usbwine/?act=insc&mp=USBWINE&o=92&p=61


Anny Ballardini
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I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 24 12:22:01 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:22:01 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Frank Parker
Message-ID: <005401c84651$7f1c1020$85aa3452@ANNY>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Anny Ballardini 
To: anny.ballardini at tin.it 
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: [NarcissusWorks] Frank Parker


the most wonderful Xmas wishes by Frank Parker:

http://frankshome.org:80/xmas.html 

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From jeff.newberry at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 18:46:37 2007
From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:46:37 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Holidays
Message-ID: <731bb17a0712241546y49acee74je8c574ce74307a91@mail.gmail.com>

Every year, I post my favorite Christmas poem to NewPoetry.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.

Best,

Jeff Newberry

The Oxen

Christmas Eve, and twelve of the clock,

"Now they are all on their knees",

An elder said as we sat in a flock

By the embers in hearthside ease.



We pictured the meek mild creatures where

They dwelt in their strawy pen,

Nor did it occur to one of us there

To doubt they were kneeling then.



So fair a fancy few would weave

In these years!  Yet, I feel,

If someone said on Christmas Eve,

"Come; see the oxen kneel



"In the lonely barton by yonder coomb

Our childhood used to know",

I should go with him in the gloom,

Hoping it might be so.



*Thomas Hardy*


-- 
"Memory believes before knowing remembers.  Believes longer than recollects,
longer than knowing even wonders."
?William Faulkner, Light in August


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From halvard at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 24 22:35:25 2007
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:35:25 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Seasons Greetings
Message-ID: <1A3864DB-EAE6-4700-B0BE-C69F3B220367@earthlink.net>

Seasons Greetings from Lynda & Hal

Do not open before Christmas.

  unwrap here -->  http://seasonsgreetingsfromlyndahal.blogspot.com/
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From grahamd at ripon.edu  Tue Dec 25 11:28:15 2007
From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:28:15 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] A cold coming
Message-ID: <8D45AC24-B7F4-4DFE-8BF5-F514E1DCC864@ripon.edu>

The Journey of the Magi

'A cold coming we had of it,
Just the worst time of the year
For the journey, and such a long journey:
The ways deep and the weather sharp,
The very dead of winter.'
And the camels galled, sore-footed, refractory,
Lying down in the melting snow.
There were time we regretted
The summer palaces on slopes, the terraces,
And the silken girls bringing sherbet.
Then the camel men cursing and grumbling
And running away, and wanting their liquor and women,
And the night-fires going out, and the lack of shelters,
And the cities hostile and the towns unfriendly
And the villages dirty and charging high prices:
A hard time we had of it.
At the end we preferred to travel all night,
Sleeping in snatches,
With the voices singing in our ears, saying
That this was all folly.

Then at dawn we came down to a temperate valley,
Wet, below the snow line, smelling of vegetation;
With a running stream and a water-mill beating the darkness,
And three trees on the low sky,
And an old white horse galloped away in the meadow.
Then we came to a tavern with vine-leaves over the lintel,
Six hands at an open door dicing for pieces of silver,
And feet kicking the empty wine-skins,
But there was no information, and so we continued
And arrived at evening, not a moment too soon
Finding the place; it was (you may say) satisfactory

All this was a long time ago, I remember,
And I would do it again, but set down
This set down
This: were we led all that way for
Birth or Death? There was a Birth, certainly,
We had evidence and no doubt. I had seen birth and death,
But had thought they were different; this Birth was
Hard and bitter agony for us, like Death, our death,
We returned to our places, these Kingdoms,
But no longer at ease here, in the old dispensation,
With an alien people clutching their gods.
I should be glad of another death.

--T. S. Eliot




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From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:55:00 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Annabel Lee [Historic American Sheet Music]
Message-ID: <000b01c84716$e3b1ebc0$c3c93a52@ANNY>

Annabel Lee [Historic American Sheet Music]Here's to Poe's brilliant mind, taken from the following site: 
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From wwmorgan at ilstu.edu  Tue Dec 25 12:52:33 2007
From: wwmorgan at ilstu.edu (Bill Morgan)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:52:33 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] The bestial floor
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The Magi

 

Now as at all times I can see in the mind's eye,

In their stiff, painted clothes, the pale unsatisfied ones

Appear and disappear in the blue depth of the sky

With all their ancient faces like rain-beaten stones,

And all their helms of silver hovering side by side,

And all their eyes still fixed, hoping to find once more,

Being by Calvary's turbulence unsatisfied,

The uncontrollable mystery on the bestial floor.

 

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From halvard at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 25 13:56:31 2007
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:56:31 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP: Siv Cedering (1939-2007)
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http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15716


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Tue Dec 25 14:18:43 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:18:43 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP: Siv Cedering (1939-2007)
References: <20B67439-81F9-4241-AD89-EA0CF20098CB@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c8472a$f76c0830$a4aa3252@ANNY>

what a beautiful poem:

      Hands     
      by Siv Cedering  

     
      I



When I fall asleep 
my hands leave me.

They pick up pens 
and draw creatures 
with five feathers 
on each wing.

The creatures multiply.
They say: "We are large 
like your father's 
hands."

They say: "We have 
your mother's 
knuckles."

I speak to them:
"If you are hands, 
why don't you 
touch?"

And the wings beat 
the air, clapping. 
They fly

high above elbows 
and wrists. 
They open windows 
and leave

rooms.
They perch in treetops 
and hide under bushes 
biting

their nails. "Hands," 
I call them. 
But it is fall

and all creatures 
with wings 
prepare to fly 
South.



      II



When I sleep 
the shadows of my hands 
come to me.

They are softer than feathers 
and warm as creatures 
who have been close 
to the sun.

They say: "We are the giver," 
and tell of oranges 
growing on trees.

They say: "We are the vessel," 
and tell of journeys 
through water.

They say: "We are the cup."

And I stir in my sleep. 
Hands pull triggers 
and cut 
trees. But

the shadows of my hands 
tuck their heads 
under wings 
waiting
for morning,

when I will wake
braiding

three strands of hair
into one. 



      From Cup of Cup Water by Siv Cedering, ? 1973. Reprinted with permission of Siv Cedering. All rights reserved. 

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From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 26 14:30:30 2007
From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:30:30 +0000
Subject: [New-Poetry] Siv
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I just woke and after detours
made my way to this poem.
 
Looks like that's what she
playing Penelope's muses there at the end
did.
 
----------------------------
 
"Seeve" lifted off too early.
I admire the fact that she was a LEGAL immigrant
who became a great American.
I hope she left a large estate for her people;
given the success of her life work,
it would seem to be the case.
 
-----------------------------
 
This report reminds me to reread Swedenborg.
 
-------------------------------
 
 
RD> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:18:43 +0100> From: "Anny Ballardini" <anny.ballardini at tin.it>> > what a beautiful poem:> > Hands > by Siv Cedering > > > I> > > > When I fall asleep > my hands leave me.> > They pick up pens > and draw creatures > with five feathers > on each wing.> > The creatures multiply.> They say: "We are large > like your father's > hands."> > They say: "We have > your mother's > knuckles."> > I speak to them:> "If you are hands, > why don't you > touch?"> > And the wings beat > the air, clapping. > They fly> > high above elbows > and wrists. > They open windows > and leave> > rooms.> They perch in treetops > and hide under bushes > biting> > their nails. "Hands," > I call them. > But it is fall> > and all creatures > with wings > prepare to fly > South.> > > > II> > > > When I sleep > the shadows of my hands > come to me.> > They are softer than feathers > and warm as creatures > who have been close > to the sun.> > They say: "We are the giver," > and tell of oranges > growing on trees.> > They say: "We are the vessel," > and tell of journeys > through water.> > They say: "We are the cup."> > And I stir in my sleep. > Hands pull triggers > and cut > trees. But> > the shadows of my hands > tuck their heads > under wings > waiting> for morning,> > when I will wake> braiding> > three strands of hair> into one. 
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From jforjames at aol.com  Wed Dec 26 18:12:33 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:12:33 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Shelton in prison
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http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Books/Content?oid=oid:104759
Tear Down These Walls

After three decades of prison volunteering, poet-educator Richard Shelton thinks it's time for reform

By TIM HULL? 
Crossing the Yard: Thirty Years as a Prison Volunteer, by Richard Shelton. University of Arizona Press, $35 (hardcover), $17.95 (paperback). 

Richard Shelton, who is as famous and accomplished as a poet can be in contemporary America, doesn't publish prose often. His first memoir, the now-classic Going Back to Bisbee, came out in 1992; as popular and acclaimed as that book was, it took the University of Arizona professor 15 years to follow it up. 

We can forgive him, though. He is neither lazy nor distracted nor given to resting on stale laurels; he has not been chasing co-eds, nor has he been drinking too much, as poet-professors are wont to do. Actually, as we find out in his astonishing new memoir-polemic, Crossing the Yard: 30 Years as a Prison Volunteer, 
Shelton has been spending his weekends these last three decades organizing and teaching poetry workshops in Arizona's infamously corrupt and hopelessly broken prison system. 



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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Dec 27 03:48:09 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:48:09 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Kathy Acker
Message-ID: <001f01c84865$3544b090$fba93852@ANNY>

welcome [back] to oblivion 
This website's first incarnation was launched in the spring of 1995 and crammed onto a 1 MB partition on a university server, planted somewhere among the Palouse wheat and lentil fields of northern Idaho. Until her death in the fall of 1997, Acker took a personal role in the development and evolution of this site, critiquing layout and always brokering new content. In her essay Writing, Identity, and Copyright in the Net Age, Acker testifies to the almost abhorrent necessity of internet publishing in a society which has become ignorant of its history and hostile towards its artists. Narration, Acker asserts, "restores meaning to a world which hardship and suffering have revealed as chaotic and senseless."


with a great reading, it starts out automatically:

http://muse.calarts.edu/~acker/



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I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Dec 27 03:26:11 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (anny.ballardini at tin.it)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:26:11 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] NYTimes.com: Macro Photography, Microscopic Details
Message-ID: <200712270826.lBR8QB2e020996@wiz.cath.vt.edu>

This page was sent to you by: anny.ballardini at tin.it.

When photography becomes painting, see also here: http://www.rivaberkovitz.com/-/rivaberkovitz/gallery.asp?cat=62912&pID=3&row=7&photoID=4538392&searchTerm= 


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Basics: Macro Photography, Microscopic Details
By IAN AUSTEN
With an add-on or two, digital cameras make it easier to capture close-up shots.

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From halvard at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 27 11:12:16 2007
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:12:16 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Headline du jour
Message-ID: <5B6AEA9D-CCEA-4D9A-9C76-64870140A014@earthlink.net>

White House Condemns Acts of Violence

                 --BBC World




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From jforjames at aol.com  Thu Dec 27 14:34:45 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:34:45 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Ferrini of Gloucester
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http://www.gloucestertimes.com/punews/local_story_361094026?keyword=topstory

Published: December 27, 2007 12:00 am????????? 

Poet Ferrini, 'the conscience of Gloucester,' dies at 94

By Richard Gaines , Staff writer
Gloucester Daily Times


(page 1 of 4)
View as a single page

Vincent Ferrini, Gloucester's poet laureate and a figure renowned in literary and local circles for his radical, political, economic and social opinions of America and enduring passion for things authentic, especially his adopted city, died Monday. He was 94.

According to his daughter, Sheila Ferrini of Chelsea, the cause of death was a heart attack and pneumonia. He had resided at Den-Mar Nursing Home in Rockport since last May, after returning from a reading at Beyond Baroque Literary Art Center in Los Angeles.

"He was the conscience of Gloucester," said his friend, retiring Mayor John Bell. "He was the one who asked us to think about who we are."

"He was more alive than anyone I have ever met," said the painter and former city councilor, Joseph Kaknes.

"He was totally without inhibition," said his close friend, author Peter Anastas.

Together with his friend and ersatz sibling rival, Charles Olson, Ferrini demonstrated to the world that Gloucester was as fertile an environment for poets as it was for painters.


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From jforjames at aol.com  Thu Dec 27 15:00:11 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:00:11 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] HAP: the moderns
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,777359,00.html


A HISTORY OF AMERICAN POETRY, 1900?1940 (524 pp.)?Horace Gregory and Marya Zaturenska?Harcourf, Brace ($4). 


The first U.S. poet of the century to succeed in growing up, say the Gregorys, was Edwin Arlington Robinson. The Gregorys suggest parallels between Robinson's keen-witted accomplishment and that of Henry James: "Both men separately held in respect the progress of self-realization. ..." The authors esteem Robinson's verse, which they consider as good as Thomas Hardy's, and Robert Frost's "Horatian serenity," as much as Ezra Pound & Co. and the Midwestern awakenings of Vachel Lindsay, Carl Sandburg and Edgar Lee Masters. 


The brightest decade, the '20s, makes the best section of the book. Modeling their work on Samuel Johnson's Lives of the Poets, the Gregorys have included not only biographical information but legends and anecdotes.


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From jforjames at aol.com  Thu Dec 27 15:05:22 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:05:22 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] He's making a list, he's checking it twice...
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I made Santa's nice list this year, he left these in my stocking...

SUDDEN ADDRESS: SELECTED LECTURES 1981-2006

Bill Berkson

http://www.cuneiformpress.com/sa.htm

?

A Defense of Poetry

Reflections on the Occasion of Writing

Paul H. Fry

ISBN-10: 0804725314

ISBN-13: 9780804725316

Paper $22.95

http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?book_id=2452%202531

?

?

Veil: New and Selected Poems

Rae Armantrout

http://www.amazon.com/Veil-Selected-Poems-Wesleyan-Poetry/dp/0819564508

?

?

Time & Materials

by Robert Hass

http://www.amazon.com/Time-Materials-1997-2005-Robert-Hass/dp/0061349607

?

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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Dec 27 15:07:38 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:07:38 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] HAP: the moderns
References: <8CA16DA39489006-14B8-356D@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001901c848c4$21f148f0$3daf3252@ANNY>

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1695460_1505756,00.html

tiny li'lle italy
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  http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,777359,00.html

  A HISTORY OF AMERICAN POETRY, 1900?1940 (524 pp.)?Horace Gregory and Marya Zaturenska?Harcourf, Brace ($4). 

  The first U.S. poet of the century to succeed in growing up, say the Gregorys, was Edwin Arlington Robinson. The Gregorys suggest parallels between Robinson's keen-witted accomplishment and that of Henry James: "Both men separately held in respect the progress of self-realization. ..." The authors esteem Robinson's verse, which they consider as good as Thomas Hardy's, and Robert Frost's "Horatian serenity," as much as Ezra Pound & Co. and the Midwestern awakenings of Vachel Lindsay, Carl Sandburg and Edgar Lee Masters. 

  The brightest decade, the '20s, makes the best section of the book. Modeling their work on Samuel Johnson's Lives of the Poets, the Gregorys have included not only biographical information but legends and anecdotes.


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Dec 27 18:38:50 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:38:50 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] He's making a list, he's checking it twice...
References: <8CA16DAF2741D78-14B8-35AF@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>
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You have something like a thousand pages to read there (that's a Maximum Stocking - you cheated...). I am scrolling happily along chuck martin's Essay on Photography (148 pages) soon to appear on the Corner unless some unbelievable twist lies in wait somewhere in the next pages, up to now: an extremely serious and thoughtful work.

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  I made Santa's nice list this year, he left these in my stocking...

  SUDDEN ADDRESS: SELECTED LECTURES 1981-2006
  Bill Berkson
  http://www.cuneiformpress.com/sa.htm
   
  A Defense of Poetry
  Reflections on the Occasion of Writing
  Paul H. Fry
  ISBN-10: 0804725314
  ISBN-13: 9780804725316
  Paper $22.95
  http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?book_id=2452%202531
   
   
  Veil: New and Selected Poems
  Rae Armantrout
  http://www.amazon.com/Veil-Selected-Poems-Wesleyan-Poetry/dp/0819564508
   
   
  Time & Materials
  by Robert Hass
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From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Fri Dec 28 09:42:24 2007
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:42:24 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] From the Boston Globe
Message-ID: <c84.1d869a7a.34a66550@cs.com>

By now, you two crazy 'droids must be hungry. Indulge in starving-artist 
meals of burgers and beers in a pub named for the hard-living poet and novelist 
Charles Bukowski: Bukowski's Tavern , (1281 Cambridge St., Cambridge. 
617-497-7077). Prove to each other you're not replicants by chowing down a "Reuburger" 
($9) or a California burger with avocado, bacon, and cheddar ($9) or a peanut 
butter burger ($8). Wash the food down with some of the tavern's 18 draft 
brews. Open to 2 a.m., dinner served until 1:30 a.m.
Then take some of that creativity home and put it to good use.    
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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec 28 11:10:04 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:10:04 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] 2007 Book Lists
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Lots of poets' picks here...
http://www.thirdfactory.net/attentionspan2007.html

Being also an inviitation to mention any favorites of yours that spring to mind.
Finnegan
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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec 28 11:19:36 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:19:36 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: SPD Poetry Bestseller List (#30)
In-Reply-To: <149055.88349.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Another book list. My micro press just made the list with the?#30 slot
Finnegan
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Subject: SPD Poetry Bestseller List (#30)



SPD Poetry Bestsellers 

November 2007: 

Autobiography / Oughtabiography Anthony Hawley (Counterpath Press) 



You Are A Little Bit Happier Than I Am Tao Lin (Action Books) 



Another Kind of Nation: An Anthology of Contemporary Chinese Poetry Zhang Er & Chen Dongdong, Eds. (Talisman House Publishers) 



Awe Dorothea Lasky (Wave Books) 



This Is What Happened In Our Other Life Achy Obejas (A Midsummer Night's Press) 



Ludlow David Mason (Red Hen Press) 



Borderless Bodies Linh Dinh (Factory School) 



Frank O'Hara: Poems from the Tibor de Nagy Editions 1952-1966 Frank O'Hara (Tibor de Nagy) 



Necessary Stranger Graham Foust (Flood Editions) 



Somebody Blew Up America Amiri Baraka (House of Nehesi Publishers) 



The Baghdad Blues Sinan Antoon (Harbor Mountain Press) 



About Now: Collected Poems Joanne Kyger (National Poetry Foundation) 



Do the Monkey Norma Cole (Zasterle) 



The Men Lisa Robertson (Book Thug) 



Thrall Susan Gevirtz (The Post-Apollo Press) 



Threads Jill Magi (Futurepoem Books) 



Prose Poems Pierre Reverdy trans. Ron Padgett (Black Square / The Brooklyn Rail) 



Radi Os Ronald Johnson (Flood Editions) 



Learning From New Jersey Joel Lewis (Talisman House Publishers) 



Disposed Steve Dickison (The Post-Apollo Press) 



Music's Mask and Measure Jay Wright (Flood Editions) 



The Line Jennifer Moxley (The Post-Apollo Press) 



Memory Play Carla Harryman (O Books) 



Brief Under Water Cyrus Console (Burning Deck Press) 



Rain John Woodward (Wave Books) 



One Stick Song Sherman Alexie (Hanging Loose Press) 



Fantasies in Permeable Structures Laura Elrick (Factory School) 



67 Mixed Messages Ed Allen (Ahsahta Press) 



Mint Snowball Naomi Shihab Nye (Anhinga Press) 



The New Life Wally Swist (Plinth Books) 





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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Dec 28 12:56:06 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:56:06 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] blogs & hackers
Message-ID: <003001c8497a$eb741430$7beb114f@ANNY>

Here we go with some extra info to be careful:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/?hpid=news-col-blog


Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
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From editor at pavementsaw.org  Fri Dec 28 13:23:32 2007
From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:23:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] last call PSP chapbook contest deadline 12/31
	electronic or paper
In-Reply-To: <200712281700.lBSH042f011807@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <769694.40621.qm@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Pavement Saw Chapbook Contest 
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
   
  $500 and 50 copies of the winning chapbook will be awarded for
the finest collection of poetry received. Everyone is allowed to submit
regardless of previous publication history. Every entrant will receive
the equivalent cost of the entry fee in Pavement Saw Press titles.

  The chapbooks are published in an edition of 400 copies. While
chapbooks rarely receive exposure, ours have been reviewed in Poets and
Writers, Publishers Weekly, American Poet, The Georgia Review, Small
Press Review and many others. Our previous winners have had subsequent
full length books appear from a bevy of publishers including Curbstone
Press, Cleveland State University Press, Bear Star Press, Blazevox Books,
University of Georgia , and Hanging Loose Press. 

  Submit up to 32 pages of poetry. Include a signed cover letter
with your name, address, phone number, e-mail, publication credits, a
brief biography and the title of the chapbook. Include a cover page with
your contact information and the chapbook title. Include a second page
with the chapbook title only. Do not include your name on any pages
inside the manuscript except for the first title page. No need for a
contents page. All chapbooks are selected blindly / anonymously. Entry fee:
$12. 

  If you wish to send via regular mail your manuscript should be
accompanied by a check in the amount of $12.00 made payable to Pavement
Saw Press. All US contributors to the contest will receive books,
chapbooks and journals equal to, or more than, the entry fee. Add $3 ( US )
for other countries to cover the extra postal charge. Do not include an
SASE for notification of results, this information will be sent with
the free book. Do not send the only copy of your work. All manuscripts
are recycled and individual comments on the manuscripts cannot be made.
Manuscripts will be considered until December 31st, 2007 for the prize.
This year the editor will be the judge and, as it should be, he
promises not to chose former students, former or potential sexual partners,
press interns, or people that can make him famous. In addition to the
prize winner, sometimes another anonymous manuscript is published under a
standard royalty contract. A decision will be reached in March.
Entries should be sent to our address at the bottom of the page.

  If you wish to submit electronically, you should send $18.00 via
paypal to info at pavementsaw.org. We will then send you an e-mail
confirmation as well as where to e-mail the manuscript. Electronic submissions
need to be sent as PDF files or as word (.doc) files. Other formats
are not accepted. The extra cost is to cover the paypal fees as well as
the time, labor, ink, and so on, to print out your manuscript. 

  Previous Winners
Susan Terris, Marriage License; Dan Boehl, Work; Joshua Corey,
Compostition Marble; Knute Skinner, The Other Shoe; Lisa Samuels, War
Holdings; F. J. Bergmann, Sauce Robert; John Bradley, Add Musk Here; Amy
King, The People Instruments; Will Nixon, The Fish are Laughing;
Shelley Stenhouse, Pants; David Brooks, Right Livelihood; Douglas Goetsch,
Wherever You Want; Joshua Mc Kinney, Permutations of the Gallery.
      
  Pavement Saw Press Chapbook Contest
321 Empire Street  
  Montpelier, OH 43543  
  http://pavementsaw.org


       
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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec 28 14:00:20 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:00:20 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Poet Problem in NYC
Message-ID: <8CA179B06EEC1FA-E2C-5CD2@WEBMAIL-DG05>

POET CONTROL FOR A BETTER CITY

No one should have to live with poets. When citizens, business and government work together, poet infestations can be reduced to minimal levels. City agencies can't do it alone. Everyone has a part to play. Librarians and Bookstore Owners must guard their words?the essential food source for poets?in books that are poet-proof. People in the houses and apartments must do the same, and also ensure that they do not litter their yards or the street with book pages. 

As the hallmark of its integrated poet management (IPM) approach, first and foremost, the Office of Poet Control Services seeks to educate coffeehouse owners and tavern keepers on the best ways to prevent poet infestations. When necessary, we will inspect properties with infestations and use our enforcement powers under the NYC Health Code to require property owners to clean their properties and eliminate conditions that lead to poets. As a last resort, the Office of Poet Control Services will issue a fine to the appropriate party, perform poet control services itself, and bill the property owner for the work completed.

In summary, the Office employs the following strategies:

Education & Outreach - we need your help!
? Improve the public's awareness of the causes of poet infestations 
? Develop partnerships with the community in eliminating conditions that lead to poet infestation 
? Promote use of poet-resistant bookshelves and properly sealed caffeine containers in areas with poet infestations 

Poet Control Measures
? Improve sanitation to reduce word sources and conditions that lead to poet infestations 
? Work closely with other agencies to ensure that all city-owned libraries are free of poet infestations and conditions that lead to them 
? Target areas with large poet populations for increased inspections and, when appropriate, exterminations 
? When coffeehouse owners fail to do so themselves, eliminate poet access points to these shops 
? Exterminate, when appropriate, through the safe & strategic placement of poisonous word bait 

Research & Evaluation
? Measure the outcome of poet control activities to determine their usefulness 
? Research the best practices for prevention and control of poet problems for implementation in NYC 
? Continue to develop improvements in poet control measures that adhere to concepts of IPM to minimize the use of poeticides whenever possible. 
? Expand use of technology, including the use of electronic maps, to improve response to poet infestation complaints.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pest/pest.shtml

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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Dec 28 14:19:14 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:19:14 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Poet Problem in NYC
References: <8CA179B06EEC1FA-E2C-5CD2@WEBMAIL-DG05>
Message-ID: <001501c84986$897bb3d0$1aaa3252@ANNY>

You terrible James! For a moment I thought it was true, that the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygene (well it is thanks to the latter that I did give it a possibility) did publish something similar, way too much fiction these days in my head!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jforjames at aol.com 
  To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
  Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:00 PM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] A Poet Problem in NYC


  POET CONTROL FOR A BETTER CITY

  No one should have to live with poets. When citizens, business and government work together, poet infestations can be reduced to minimal levels. City agencies can't do it alone. Everyone has a part to play. Librarians and Bookstore Owners must guard their words?the essential food source for poets?in books that are poet-proof. People in the houses and apartments must do the same, and also ensure that they do not litter their yards or the street with book pages. 

  As the hallmark of its integrated poet management (IPM) approach, first and foremost, the Office of Poet Control Services seeks to educate coffeehouse owners and tavern keepers on the best ways to prevent poet infestations. When necessary, we will inspect properties with infestations and use our enforcement powers under the NYC Health Code to require property owners to clean their properties and eliminate conditions that lead to poets. As a last resort, the Office of Poet Control Services will issue a fine to the appropriate party, perform poet control services itself, and bill the property owner for the work completed.

  In summary, the Office employs the following strategies:

  Education & Outreach - we need your help!
  ? Improve the public's awareness of the causes of poet infestations 
  ? Develop partnerships with the community in eliminating conditions that lead to poet infestation 
  ? Promote use of poet-resistant bookshelves and properly sealed caffeine containers in areas with poet infestations 

  Poet Control Measures
  ? Improve sanitation to reduce word sources and conditions that lead to poet infestations 
  ? Work closely with other agencies to ensure that all city-owned libraries are free of poet infestations and conditions that lead to them 
  ? Target areas with large poet populations for increased inspections and, when appropriate, exterminations 
  ? When coffeehouse owners fail to do so themselves, eliminate poet access points to these shops 
  ? Exterminate, when appropriate, through the safe & strategic placement of poisonous word bait 

  Research & Evaluation
  ? Measure the outcome of poet control activities to determine their usefulness 
  ? Research the best practices for prevention and control of poet problems for implementation in NYC 
  ? Continue to develop improvements in poet control measures that adhere to concepts of IPM to minimize the use of poeticides whenever possible. 
  ? Expand use of technology, including the use of electronic maps, to improve response to poet infestation complaints.

  http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pest/pest.shtml


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From millb at aol.com  Fri Dec 28 14:24:06 2007
From: millb at aol.com (millb at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:24:06 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Poet Problem in NYC
In-Reply-To: <8CA179B06EEC1FA-E2C-5CD2@WEBMAIL-DG05>
References: <8CA179B06EEC1FA-E2C-5CD2@WEBMAIL-DG05>
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Poetry HAS been exterminated in all but a few select areas of society.? Classrooms ARE mostly poet-free, as are libraries and bookstores.? Last time I checked, independent bookstores were extinct too, and the big chains offer?up a mere sliver of a shelf for?poetry. . .


-----Original Message-----
From: jforjames at aol.com
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:00 am
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Poet Problem in NYC


POET CONTROL FOR A BETTER CITY

No one should have to live with poets. When citizens, business and government work together, poet infestations can be reduced to minimal levels. City agencies can't do it alone. Everyone has a part to play. Librarians and Bookstore Owners must guard their words?the essential food source for poets?in books that are poet-proof. People in the houses and apartments must do the same, and also ensure that they do not litter their yards or the street with book pages. 

As the hallmark of its integrated poet management (IPM) approach, first and foremost, the Office of Poet Control Services seeks to educate coffeehouse owners and tavern keepers on the best ways to prevent poet infestations. When necessary, we will inspect properties with infestations and use our enforcement powers under the NYC Health Code to require property owners to clean their properties and eliminate conditions that lead to poets. As a last resort, the Office of Poet Control Services will issue a fine to the appropriate party, perform poet control services itself, and bill the property owner for the work completed.

In summary, the Office employs the following strategies:

Education & Outreach - we need your help!
? Improve the public's awareness of the causes of poet infestations 
? Develop partnerships with the community in eliminating conditions that lead to poet infestation 
? Promote use of poet-resistant bookshelves and properly sealed caffeine containers in areas with poet infestations 

Poet Control Measures
? Improve sanitation to reduce word sources and conditions that lead to poet infestations 
? Work closely with other agencies to ensure that all city-owned libraries are free of poet infestations and conditions that lead to them 
? Target areas with large poet populations for increased inspections and, when appropriate, exterminations 
? When coffeehouse owners fail to do so themselves, eliminate poet access points to these shops 
? Exterminate, when appropriate, through the safe & strategic placement of poisonous word bait 

Research & Evaluation
? Measure the outcome of poet control activities to determine their usefulness 
? Research the best practices for prevention and control of poet problems for implementation in NYC 
? Continue to develop improvements in poet control measures that adhere to concepts of IPM to minimize the use of poeticides whenever possible. 
? Expand use of technology, including the use of electronic maps, to improve response to poet infestation complaints.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pest/pest.shtml

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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec 28 14:55:48 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:55:48 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Poet Problem in NYC
In-Reply-To: <8CA179E58FABA1E-80C-2E5A@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CA179B06EEC1FA-E2C-5CD2@WEBMAIL-DG05>
	<8CA179E58FABA1E-80C-2E5A@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CA17A2C67FB13A-948-50BE@webmail-de17.sysops.aol.com>

I'm happy to hear that.
Agent Smith

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From: millb at aol.com
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 2:24 pm
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A Poet Problem in NYC


Poetry HAS been exterminated in all but a few select areas of society.? Classrooms ARE mostly poet-free, as are libraries and bookstores.? Last time I checked, independent bookstores were extinct too, and the big chains offer?up a mere sliver of a shelf for?poetry. . .


-----Original Message-----
From: jforjames at aol.com
To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
Sent: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:00 am
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Poet Problem in NYC


POET CONTROL FOR A BETTER CITY

No one should have to live with poets. 


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From Edward.Byrne at valpo.edu  Fri Dec 28 15:00:59 2007
From: Edward.Byrne at valpo.edu (Edward Byrne)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:00:59 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet of the Year: John Ashbery
In-Reply-To: <003001c8497a$eb741430$7beb114f@ANNY>
References: <003001c8497a$eb741430$7beb114f@ANNY>
Message-ID: <4775019B.7112.006E.0@valpo.edu>

As 2007 draws to a close, "One Poet's Notes" selects John Ashbery as the "Poet of the Year":
http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/


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Edward Byrne
Department of English
322 Huegli Hall
Valparaiso University
Valparaiso, IN 46383-6493

E-mail: edward.byrne at valpo.edu
Home Page:
http://www.valpo.edu/home/faculty/ebyrne/homepage/
Blog:
http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/

Editor, Valparaiso Poetry Review
E-mail: vpr at valpo.edu
VPR Web Page: http://www.valpo.edu/english/vpr/
Office Phone: (219) 464-5278
Fax: (219) 464-5511

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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec 28 17:41:12 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:41:12 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Carol Bly RIP
Message-ID: <8CA17B9E1B644A4-F3C-3321@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>

http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/books/12762077.html


True to form, Carol Bly stood stalwart against the dying of the light, dictating letters and thank-yous to friends, readers, well-wishers and fellow writers even in her final days. The lioness of Minnesota letters died Friday of ovarian cancer, surrounded by family and caregivers at the Pillars Hospice Home in Oakdale. She was 77.


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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec 28 17:52:34 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:52:34 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] VizPo: Jenny Holzer
Message-ID: <8CA17BB7845CB7A-F3C-33A7@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/arts/design/26holz.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin


In the huge darkened hall of the museum?s Building 5, Ms. Holzer has set up two powerful machines to project lines of text spelled out in stark white block letters. Placed at opposite ends of the room, the projectors send verses scrolling across the floor, up the walls and back over the ceiling. Distributed around the floor of the room are giant beanbag chairs, each about 10 feet across; they look like boulders sunk into the ground or a school of beached whales.



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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Dec 28 18:19:07 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:19:07 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] VizPo: Jenny Holzer
References: <8CA17BB7845CB7A-F3C-33A7@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00b601c849a8$0ba00930$1aaa3252@ANNY>

She is getting better and better, opps... I said I did not want to fight with Grumman, ...
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  To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
  Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:52 PM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] VizPo: Jenny Holzer


  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/arts/design/26holz.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin

  In the huge darkened hall of the museum?s Building 5, Ms. Holzer has set up two powerful machines to project lines of text spelled out in stark white block letters. Placed at opposite ends of the room, the projectors send verses scrolling across the floor, up the walls and back over the ceiling. Distributed around the floor of the room are giant beanbag chairs, each about 10 feet across; they look like boulders sunk into the ground or a school of beached whales.
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From jforjames at aol.com  Fri Dec 28 18:24:40 2007
From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:24:40 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] topical poem
Message-ID: <8CA17BFF41EADDE-F3C-34AA@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>


Rocks, Sticks, Fire

?

?

The tiger leapt from its enclosure.

No one knew how or why.

It was a tiger. Tigers are not real

any more.? They are cartoons,

Vegas acts, or major zoo attractions.
No one remembers the times 

when wild animals were other,

outside, in the dark outer perimeter, 

beyond the ears of the listeners

and the keen eyes of the watchers,

when staying alive was a matter 

of rocks, sharp sticks and fire. 

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From chan_jt at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 29 02:46:07 2007
From: chan_jt at hotmail.com (JT Chan)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:46:07 +0000
Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for submissions
Message-ID: <BLU115-W36BAAD8E7E82BDE4A69F408A560@phx.gbl>



Hi,

Poetry Sz:demystifying mental illness ( http://poetrysz.blogspot.com ) is
calling for submissions for its 25th issue.

Send 4-6 poems and a short bio in the body of your email to poetrysz at yahoo.com
. 

Please read the submission guidelines first before submitting.

Thanks.

regards

J Chan
editor 
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From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec 29 13:37:22 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:37:22 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Sylvester Pollet obit
Message-ID: <d45.1b9c115c.34a7ede2@aol.com>

_http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/12/26/umaine_create_writ
ing_teacher_poet_pollet_dies/_ 
(http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/12/26/umaine_create_writing_teacher_poet_pollet_dies/) 
UMaine  create writing teacher, poet Pollet dies
December 26, 2007 
ELLSWORTH,  Maine?Sylvester Pollet, a University of Maine creative writing 
instructor and  poet, has died of cancer. He was 68.
 
Pollet, who was assistant editor of the National Poetry Foundation, edited  
and published 100 single-sheet collections of poems between 1994 and 2006. The  
compilations, which he called "Backwoods Broadsides," were mailed across the  
country and overseas.




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From JforJames at aol.com  Sat Dec 29 13:48:32 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:48:32 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] New and On View: Mudlark Poster No. 72 (2007)
Message-ID: <bc1.240170d0.34a7f080@aol.com>

Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:24:09 -0500
From:          William Slaughter 
Subject:       Notice: Mudlark
New and On View: Mudlark  Poster No. 72 (2007)

Four Poems by Frederick Pollack

Notes for the  Baron of Teive | To Live in Peace | Serotonin | Bonbon

Frederick Pollack  is the author of two book-length narrative poems, The 
Adventure and  Happiness, both published by Story Line Press.  Other of his 
poems and  essays have appeared in Hudson Review, Southern Review, Fulcrum, 
Salmagundi,  Poetry Salzburg Review, Die Gazette (Munich), Representations 
and  elsewhere.  Poems have most recently appeared in the print journals  
Iota (UK), Orbis (UK), Magma (UK), and The Hat.  Online, poems have  
appeared in Big Bridge, Snorkel, Hamilton Stone Review, Diagram, BlazeVox,  
The New Hampshire Review, Denver Syntax, Barnwood, elimae, and elsewhere.  
Pollack is an adjunct professor of creative writing at George Washington  
University, Washington, DC.

Spread the word. Far and  wide,

William Slaughter

MUDLARK
An Electronic Journal of Poetry  & Poetics
Never in and never out of print...
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Dec 29 16:41:08 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:41:08 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM
Message-ID: <004e01c84a63$86304ff0$f4ab3252@ANNY>

I posted several pics on my blog, any comment would be much appreciated.

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To: anny.ballardini at tin.it 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:27 PM
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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Sun Dec 30 14:28:14 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:28:14 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM
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I love the pictures. Is the top one -- #14 -- supposed to have a naked 
Poseidon-figure in the center, or am I just reading that into it?

Anny Ballardini wrote:
> I posted several pics on my blog, any comment would be much appreciated.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Anny Ballardini <mailto:anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
> *To:* anny.ballardini at tin.it <mailto:anny.ballardini at tin.it>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:27 PM
> *Subject:* [NarcissusWorks] 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM
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The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Dec 30 16:54:55 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:54:55 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM
References: <004e01c84a63$86304ff0$f4ab3252@ANNY> <4777F14E.9000104@opus40.org>
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Thank you, I exaggerated what I saw in the rock by adjusting light and 
contrast, I also saw on the right an angel, that is why I called them 
Paradiso and Inferno.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TheOldMole" <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM


>I love the pictures. Is the top one -- #14 -- supposed to have a naked 
>Poseidon-figure in the center, or am I just reading that into it?
>
> Anny Ballardini wrote:
>> I posted several pics on my blog, any comment would be much appreciated.
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Anny Ballardini <mailto:anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
>> *To:* anny.ballardini at tin.it <mailto:anny.ballardini at tin.it>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:27 PM
>> *Subject:* [NarcissusWorks] 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM
>>
>> <http://bp1.blogger.com/_E0gQXfpUHFA/R3a7ui9TLxI/AAAAAAAAAgE/z1hhN8Cv5bA/s1600-h/14.jpg>
>> <http://bp1.blogger.com/_E0gQXfpUHFA/R3a7Li9TLwI/AAAAAAAAAf8/zkqZFm4W3bQ/s1600-h/12.jpg>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks 
>> <http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/2007/12/blog-post_6618.html> at 
>> 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM
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>
> -- 
> Tad Richards
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>
> The moral is this: in American verse,
> The better you are, the pay is worse.
>  --Corey Ford
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From Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu  Sun Dec 30 17:52:05 2007
From: Sigauke at crc.losrios.edu (Sigauke, Emmanuel )
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:52:05 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM
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Writing news at Munyori Poetry Journal:  http://www.munyori.com/writingworld.html

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From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of Anny Ballardini
Sent: Sun 12/30/2007 1:54 PM
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM



Thank you, I exaggerated what I saw in the rock by adjusting light and
contrast, I also saw on the right an angel, that is why I called them
Paradiso and Inferno.

----- Original Message -----
From: "TheOldMole" <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views"
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM


>I love the pictures. Is the top one -- #14 -- supposed to have a naked
>Poseidon-figure in the center, or am I just reading that into it?
>
> Anny Ballardini wrote:
>> I posted several pics on my blog, any comment would be much appreciated.
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Anny Ballardini <mailto:anny.ballardini at gmail.com>
>> *To:* anny.ballardini at tin.it <mailto:anny.ballardini at tin.it>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:27 PM
>> *Subject:* [NarcissusWorks] 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM
>>
>> <http://bp1.blogger.com/_E0gQXfpUHFA/R3a7ui9TLxI/AAAAAAAAAgE/z1hhN8Cv5bA/s1600-h/14.jpg>
>> <http://bp1.blogger.com/_E0gQXfpUHFA/R3a7Li9TLwI/AAAAAAAAAf8/zkqZFm4W3bQ/s1600-h/12.jpg>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Posted By Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks
>> <http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/2007/12/blog-post_6618.html> at
>> 12/29/2007 10:24:00 PM
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> --
> Tad Richards
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>
> The moral is this: in American verse,
> The better you are, the pay is worse.
>  --Corey Ford
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From elemenope_productions at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 30 22:57:20 2007
From: elemenope_productions at hotmail.com (R Dillon)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:57:20 +0000
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Nation of Dim Bulbs
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What about the light bulb in your refrigerator?  Auto glove box and cabin?Headlights?  Signal lights?  Beacons on runways?  On airplanes?  Headlights on trains? Absurd. Just as with the immigration bills, we must rally and flood Congress with a scathing repudiation of this nonsense. This curley cue light bulb deal is a stalking horse for bigger things to come. Why not make it illegal to eat red meat and then to mandate brown rice?
 
You hear footsteps in your kitchen and flip on the light, but the curley cue light LAGS.  Think you'll stab the burglar in his retina with blinding cop LED flashlight?  Try to find it in the dark. The law is used to regulate technological evolution.  I would have been surprised that W let this one through the gate, but, on second thought, he briefed Sen. C on the situ in Iraq but didn't let a single Republican candidate into the  Oval Office. 
Then she gets out there a blames her friend for
EVERYTHING, Bhutto, Polar Bears, Tony The Tiger, cackles in his face.  So what, she says, it gets me votes.  Professor Alinsky would be proud. I can feel the pressure of her presence as the dyad forces their way back through my psychic gate.  She is now running as an incumbant.  She is Queen on her throne awaiting another coronation.  Tapping her foot in a darkened throne room.  But the lights will soon go up.  Incandescent? Put curley cue lights on Old Glory because RadLibs
hate energy wasting stars.
 Throw away your lamps and chandeliers and light fixtures inside your cars.  Throw away the light bulb
balloon in the history book of cartoons.
 
We are at one of those leaps in evolution moments
in the noble history of the mass delusion of crowds.   
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From JforJames at aol.com  Mon Dec 31 10:24:30 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:24:30 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] 7 Things You Should Know About Being a Poet
Message-ID: <c59.21a3bfd5.34aa63ae@aol.com>

_http://blog.32poems.com/704/7-things-you-should-know-about-being-a-poet/_ 
(http://blog.32poems.com/704/7-things-you-should-know-about-being-a-poet/) 
7 Things You Should Know About Being a Poet
December 20th, 2007 ? 6  Comments
If you're new here, you may want to subscribe to my RSS feed. Thanks  for 
visiting!
 
Thanks to Eduardo Corral for the link to 7 Things You Should Know About  
Being a Poet.
_http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2007/11/21/The
Statement/7.Things.You.Should.Know.About.Being.A.Poet-3113270.shtml_ 
(http://me
dia.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2007/11/21/TheStatement/7.Things.You.Should.Know.About.Being.A.Poet-3113270.shtml) 
That title led me to wonder what seven things do I want people to know  about 
being a poet?...




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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Mon Dec 31 10:45:09 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:45:09 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Questions on form
Message-ID: <47790E85.50106@opus40.org>


The first one of these is really embarrassing, because I've asked it 
here before, and Sam Gwynn gave me the answer, but I can't find where I 
wrote it down, and I've forgotten it.

The form that Yeats and Auden use -- thr four stress line that begins 
and ends with a stressed syllable, so that every metric foot in the line 
can really be either an iamb or a trochee --

Irish poets, learn your trade,
Sing whatever is well made...

In the nightmare of the dark
All the dogs of Europe bark...

what's it called?


And is there a name for the form of "September 1, 1939"? It's written in 
3-stress lines, and it's all accentual-syllabic, but the syllable count 
varies from 6 (3 iambs -- "Uncertain and afraid...About Diaghilev...") 
to 9 (" To resume their compulsory game..") with virtually every 
combination of accentual-syllabic feet you can put into a three-stress 
line in between.

-- 
Tad Richards
http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From JforJames at aol.com  Mon Dec 31 10:45:30 2007
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:45:30 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry, community and the small press 
Message-ID: <c8a.19f5502d.34aa689a@aol.com>

_http://somervillenews.typepad.com/the_somerville_news/2007/12/poetry-communit
.html_ 
(http://somervillenews.typepad.com/the_somerville_news/2007/12/poetry-communit.html) 
December 29, 2007
Poetry, community and the small press
Off The Shelf  by Doug Holder 
 
I am not an academic poet. I am not a part of a faculty of a major  
university, nor on the board of a      prestigious  literary organization. I always 
have been a part of that great eclectic sea of  the small press. In fact my 
activities have mostly been outside of the gated  communities of the academy.




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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Mon Dec 31 11:21:23 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:21:23 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] 7 Things You Should Know About Being a Poet
In-Reply-To: <c59.21a3bfd5.34aa63ae@aol.com>
References: <c59.21a3bfd5.34aa63ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47791703.7030601@opus40.org>

Interesting. I added my list of 7 to my blog.

JforJames at aol.com wrote:
> http://blog.32poems.com/704/7-things-you-should-know-about-being-a-poet/
> 7 Things You Should Know About Being a Poet
> December 20th, 2007 ? 6 Comments
> If you're new here, you may want to subscribe to my RSS feed. Thanks 
> for visiting!
>  
> Thanks to Eduardo Corral for the link to 7 Things You Should Know 
> About Being a Poet.
> http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2007/11/21/TheStatement/7.Things.You.Should.Know.About.Being.A.Poet-3113270.shtml
> That title led me to wonder what seven things do I want people to know 
> about being a poet?...
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> See AOL's top rated recipes 
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> for winter.
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-- 
Tad Richards
http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Dec 31 11:37:54 2007
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:37:54 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] 7 Things You Should Know About Being a Poet
References: <c59.21a3bfd5.34aa63ae@aol.com> <47791703.7030601@opus40.org>
Message-ID: <001c01c84bcb$7ec76460$672ab750@ANNY>

Quoting Tad:
"All your thoughts are shallow, and all your feelings are banal."


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TheOldMole" <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 7 Things You Should Know About Being a Poet


> Interesting. I added my list of 7 to my blog.
>
> JforJames at aol.com wrote:
>> http://blog.32poems.com/704/7-things-you-should-know-about-being-a-poet/
>> 7 Things You Should Know About Being a Poet
>> December 20th, 2007 ? 6 Comments
>> If you're new here, you may want to subscribe to my RSS feed. Thanks for 
>> visiting!
>>  Thanks to Eduardo Corral for the link to 7 Things You Should Know About 
>> Being a Poet.
>> http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2007/11/21/TheStatement/7.Things.You.Should.Know.About.Being.A.Poet-3113270.shtml
>> That title led me to wonder what seven things do I want people to know 
>> about being a poet?...
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> See AOL's top rated recipes 
>> <http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004> and 
>> easy ways to stay in shape 
>> <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop00030000000003> 
>> for winter.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>
> -- 
> Tad Richards
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>
> The moral is this: in American verse,
> The better you are, the pay is worse.
>  --Corey Ford
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry 



From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Mon Dec 31 12:05:49 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:05:49 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] 7 Things You Should Know About Being a Poet
In-Reply-To: <001c01c84bcb$7ec76460$672ab750@ANNY>
References: <c59.21a3bfd5.34aa63ae@aol.com> <47791703.7030601@opus40.org>
	<001c01c84bcb$7ec76460$672ab750@ANNY>
Message-ID: <4779216D.2020201@opus40.org>

Here's my full riff on shallow thoughts and banal feelings.

http://opusforty.blogspot.com/2005_05_01_archive.html

Anny Ballardini wrote:
> Quoting Tad:
> "All your thoughts are shallow, and all your feelings are banal."
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOldMole" <Opus40-01 at opus40.org>
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" 
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 7 Things You Should Know About Being a Poet
>
>
>> Interesting. I added my list of 7 to my blog.
>>
>> JforJames at aol.com wrote:
>>> http://blog.32poems.com/704/7-things-you-should-know-about-being-a-poet/ 
>>>
>>> 7 Things You Should Know About Being a Poet
>>> December 20th, 2007 ? 6 Comments
>>> If you're new here, you may want to subscribe to my RSS feed. Thanks 
>>> for visiting!
>>>  Thanks to Eduardo Corral for the link to 7 Things You Should Know 
>>> About Being a Poet.
>>> http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2007/11/21/TheStatement/7.Things.You.Should.Know.About.Being.A.Poet-3113270.shtml 
>>>
>>> That title led me to wonder what seven things do I want people to 
>>> know about being a poet?...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> See AOL's top rated recipes 
>>> <http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004> 
>>> and easy ways to stay in shape 
>>> <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop00030000000003> 
>>> for winter.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New-Poetry mailing list
>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tad Richards
>> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
>> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>>
>> The moral is this: in American verse,
>> The better you are, the pay is worse.
>>  --Corey Ford
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry 
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

-- 
Tad Richards
http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Mon Dec 31 12:28:37 2007
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:28:37 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Questions on form
Message-ID: <c82.206ed7e3.34aa80c5@cs.com>

In a message dated 12/31/2007 9:45:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
Opus40-01 at opus40.org writes: 
> 
> The first one of these is really embarrassing, because I've asked it 
> here before, and Sam Gwynn gave me the answer, but I can't find where I 
> wrote it down, and I've forgotten it.
> 
> The form that Yeats and Auden use -- thr four stress line that begins 
> and ends with a stressed syllable, so that every metric foot in the line 
> can really be either an iamb or a trochee --
> 
> Irish poets, learn your trade,
> Sing whatever is well made...
> 
> In the nightmare of the dark
> All the dogs of Europe bark...
> 
> what's it called?
> 
> 

This is trochaic tetrameter catalectic.  The final unstressed syllable is cut 
('"catalexis" means "cutting").  Sometimes poets will mix this line with 
iambic tetrameter, as Housman does in "'Terence . . . ."

> And is there a name for the form of "September 1, 1939"? It's written in 
> 3-stress lines, and it's all accentual-syllabic, but the syllable count 
> varies from 6 (3 iambs -- "Uncertain and afraid...About Diaghilev...") 
> to 9 (" To resume their compulsory game..") with virtually every 
> combination of accentual-syllabic feet you can put into a three-stress 
> line in between.
> 
It can't be accentual-syllabic if the syllable count varies that much, so 
you'd have to call it three-stress accentual.  You could also call it (with 
Frost) "loose iambic," which for him meant an iambic base with liberal 
substitutions of anapests.  The latter might be better because there aren't (I don't 
believe) any lines shorter than six syllables.  "Logaoedic" usually means a line 
consisting of mixed types of feet.   
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From pmetres at jcu.edu  Mon Dec 31 13:22:46 2007
From: pmetres at jcu.edu (Philip Metres)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:22:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Chicago Poetry Marathon: A Postmortem
Message-ID: <20071231132246.BDI81040@mirapoint.jcu.edu>


This year's version of the unofficial MLA offsite poetry reading, entitled "The Chicago Poetry Marathon," brought together over fifty poets and somewhere between 200 and 300 poetry lovers, to the ballroom at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. Organized by Robert Archambeau, Patrick Durgin, and Jennifer Karmin, the event was 2.5 hours of poetry, in two minute slices, as is the custom of these massive wordslingings. 
>
>Durgin provided the opening salvo, introducing the event as one that "coincides with the MLA, but is not in or of it,"--which took the Jesuitical slogan "in the world, but not of it," one step closer to the margins. Durgin, one of the dandiest poets around (in all senses of that term, though his poetry, to my ear, hews closer to straight edge), ceded to the readers, beginning alphabetically with Joe Amato. 
>
>What follows is a somewhat documentary, mostly impressionistic take on the proceedings, as I scribbled down what I could of what I was hearing and seeing. Some of the lines quoted are no doubt mishearings, but isn't that part of the fun of consuming poetry?
>
>Joe Amato: "this next one/is all I can say....all I can say is this next one." A perfect opening salvo, a metapoem of the stutterings of poetry reading introductions. This is the "A Salty Salute" (vague GBV reference) of the reading-- i.e. "the club is open."
>
>Robert Archambeau, from his "Sheena is a Punk Rocker": "a big screen six foot pinup queen." A poem about how a song got written. Anyone who writes about the Ramones is okay in my book. Plus, he somehow got the speed and pop sheen of the Ramones into the poem.
>
>Ray Bianchi, Chicago poet, editor of the new Chicago poetry anthology, and general propangandist and mafioso for the scene: "the composition delayed the season." Yes. Snow stopped just in time for the reading.
>
>Tisa Bryant: "witnessing a type of entrapment." Wow. "Suddenly overwrought with sensations of going to the dentist." About a mythic figure whose name rhymes with Omeros...
>
>Dodie Bellamy: appearing out of the silence of her earlier absence, reading "Snow Globe": "John, why didn't you get cigarettes before we dropped acid." And "we can't see out the windshield,"--homage, perhaps, to "no one to drive the car" and "look out where yr going"?
>
>Charles Cantaloupo had us call-and-responding "light the lights," first instance of audience participation (willing, I might add, which is nice given the tough crowd that we poets can be about such things).
>
>Stephen Cope: "Thirteen Ways of Killing the President": "the wrong finger fired." "I might as well kill the President." (After the reading, a distraught woman wandered the ballroom, asking if she might find this poet who offered to kill the President. He was never found.)
>
>Josh Corey: "Lecture on Modernism": "they are, how do you say, apropos to zero." Very Jamesian indeed. And: "look I found a decorum" and "memory is rarely progressive" and "a banner is completed by a wind."
>
>Joel Craig's "Ry Cooder": "he has recovered from what he has achieved." Amen. So few of us actually do.
>
>Elizabeth Cross: "The Most Desirable Romance in the World": funny, bawdy dialogue between God and Eve, in which Eve tires of God's hangups about Adam, despite his sexual power. "I have chosen and made a chamber in thee." One of a number of women poets reading powerfully about sex. The men, however, somewhat absent on the theme (except for Kevin Killian and Bob Perelman's detachable penis). Are men poets afraid to look skeezy?
>
>Garin Cycholl: "nothing in writing is easier to raise than the dead." And a funny, looped, "what's more American/than screwing/the ladylady/of the rent." Added and subtracted. Well done.
>
>Michael Davidson, from "Bad Modernism": told from the point of view of an indigenous person displayed at the World's Fair, if I'm not completely mistaken: "the eyes go there while the will stands still."
>
>Patrick Durgin, from "relay": "what's nearest is inhaled." And "luminaries suck and also-rans wheeze." If Pavement ever needs another lyricist, you're hired! P.S. Let's form a band.
>
>Joel Felix: "with horror, I opened the toolbox." A real laugh-line.
>
>Kass Fleischer: in a poem voicing a poet's disdain of what language poetry hath wrought (and the all form/no content dogma that it unfortunately has spawned): "hours and hours and not a drop of urgency." There was a palpable audience response--Archambeau heard both cheers and jeers--from my perch, it seemed like mostly positive. Courageous rant, given the crowd.
>
>G.S. Giscombe: "a sexual image about the prairie might be a good idea." "Can't forget, Effingham." Also, referenced "content" as something that poetry does, rhyming with Fleischer.
>
>Renee Gladman: "the solitary confinement of this part of our century." Yes, the century's already old. Let's blow this 21st century.
>
>Chris Glomski: "Infinity", a recurring line: "to become a vague forest blooming where there is room." Line I wish I wrote. Vague keeps it real.
>
>Steven Halle: "don't fight to stay ahead of weather." Very Emersonian.
>
>Duriel Harris: what a word slinger, what a performer. She changed voices so fast I was afraid for her! "Jacket habit...slingshot pragmatic...."
>
>Bill Howe: I'm still in debt to Bill for his multivocal piece last year (it generated at least a few poems, and led to what I did this year). I love his "concordant disorder," a poem about fauna.
>
>Pierre Joris: regarding the Titanic, and perhaps our own imperial fates: "no, upgrading to first class won't save your ass." THE Pierre Joris.
>
>Jennifer Karmin, she of the "walking tours" projects, did a dialogue poem from Ted Berrigan's words, with Chuck Stebleton: "an ongoing middle/made of words/larger than words." The more I do poetry, the more I'm interested in these sorts of multivocal arrangements.
>
>Kevin Killian, who, by the way, inspires this post from his previously lush recollections and instamemoirs posted to the Buffalo list, about Orono conferences in the past. Just to prove that he is absolute gold--he actually went around at Orono and asked those who published in the Best American Poetry series to sign his book. "Norwegian Wood," a poem about K.O. sex (which involves something like four downers, if memory serves): "when people say they are having sex, what is it that they are having?" I think I got that wrong, but it seems to match the spirit.
>
>David Lloyd: "the act split from the work." "The pleasure of a ghost." Yes, I'm a fan of spiritual visitation.
>
>Nicole Markotic: "Joey avoids dark liquids to make his body see-through." This, I gather, a poem about Mormon scripture. Mitt Romney, cower in fear of Markotic! She will caffeinate you!
>
>Cate Marvin: "Flowers Always." She of the LEGITIMATE DANGERS. "I have never seen an always." A line worthy of Magnetic Fields' Stephin Merritt.
>
>Philip Metres: I did a Lev Rubinstein performance of "Unnamed Events," soundtracked by Pavement's "Zurich is Stained" and with shouting of the Russian--which, apparently, some couldn't hear and others couldn't see. Next time, I was instructed to stand on chair and yell louder. Here's a digital version of the text, for those of you shut out from view by the Bill Howes. http://www.geoffreygatza.com/arkv/2k3fl/phil4.htm. I mean, Bill, how tall are you, 6' 10"?
>
>Laura Moriarity: "nothing is left to bark the dream...everyone was suspicious and resistant." Telling moment.
>
>Simone Muench, whose name, it was revealed, is pronounced like "mensch," a poem about Leatherface: "misunderstanding seduction, you urge your chainsaw forward." Sounds like a dream date.
>
>Aldon Nielson, whose name, it was revealed by Susan Schultz next to me, is actually pronounced al as in alchohol, not al as it "all." "The Virginia Monologues": "knocking the table of contents." "What was new about making it new?" Whose performance was shouted short by
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>Mark Nowak, a poem about mine disasters. Kudos to you, Mark Nowak, for docupoeting us a little bit. Words is good, and yet coal is real.
>
>Kristy Odelius: "a listing agent negotiates closing." "Rising out of history like a scandal." Awesome. Are poets getting more beautiful, or am I just susceptible to people with beautiful words? Or I am just getting uglier?
>
>Bob Perelman's "Current Poetics": reminding me why you're still my favorite language poet (all homage to the Hejinians and Wattens), bringing politics into painful pleasure with language: "porn the only commodity still behaving itself." Not to mention the detachable penis.
>
>Kristen Prevallet read "The Day Lady Died" backward, for "Benazir Bhutto," and I was reminded again of Andrew Ross' controversial reading of that poem by O'Hara, in which he Marxisted O'Hara's consumerism. When Prevallet got to "ugly hamburger" and then the "poets in Ghana" line, I gasped.
>
>Jen Scappetone, reading from something generated from (was it?) the Goat Island Performance Collective: "tunes Casanovas motorize." Williams's poem as machine crossed with the Boss?
>
>Robyn Schiff: "it's March, there is fatness in the air." And, heartening to those of us mayflies who can't seem to write shit right on the first draft (damn you, Josh Corey!): "it's not true they last a day....they were larvae first...that takes many years..."
>
>Susan Schultz showed us some signs that have appeared on fences in her Hawaiian town, part of the Sidewalk Blogger's freeing speech: "would Jesus waterboard?" and "Cheney=Straightshooter." More signs!
>
>Don Share, a poem echoing the Bishopian "House that Jack Built" structure, found his way to "the hurt of older houses" and "the pudge of Prozac." Yeah, my body too.
>
>Ed Skoog: "I count on this poem to investigate wrongdoing...reading this poem is like belonging to a group." Metapoetastic.
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>Chuck Stebleton: "hemorraging talent" ("so much style and it's wasted") and "You put Ohio in my impromptu." And a hilarious line echoing Shakespeare: "if pubes be wool..."
>
>Mark Tardi, who confessed to be obsessed with nuclear waste disposal post-Chernobyl (aren't we all?): "roadsides favor promiscuity."
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>Catherine Taylor: "the lyric's past seduction." That works in so many ways.
>
>Tony Trigilio: "They sound bells for us." And, about Rumsfeld's house: "the cameras in the Secretary's birdfeeders can see (?) them." 
>
>Nick Twemlow: a Howl-esque tribute to his hometown of Topeka: "the black keys being Topeka...Topeka, the sickness will go unnoticed." Topeka is a song, isn't it?
>
>Quraysh Ali Lansana spun a tale of a slave named Jacob who finally escaped, because he loved the dogs more than the master: "the dogs never moved."
>
>Lina Ramona Vitkauskas, from a poem called "Erection: A Single Entendre." Somehow, the title was poetry enough. Thinking of the Spinanes's "Rummy": "the power of erection/the tallest building in Chicago."
>
>Barrett Watten, sampling Williams: "democracy is impossible and must be preserved." I could see the computer screen echoes in his eyeglasses. Somehow, that's a detail that seems right for the poet of exteriority.
>
>Tyrone Williams, taking a collage of SUN TIMES lines: "can you see me now/caption only." Caption only, as refrain.
>
>Tim Yu, bringing us home with an abecedarian: "the turning world gravitates on its absent stem....yowling unspeakable names to the zero of hearing."
>
>Thanks to all the readers and ears out there. Jennifer Moxley, among other poetry luminaries, was spotted...but not on the readers' list?! I should have ceded my time.
>
>Here's Bob Archambeau's piece from http://samizdatblog.blogspot.com/.
>
>Philip Metres
>Associate Professor
>Department of English
>John Carroll University
>20700 N. Park Blvd
>University Heights, OH 44118
>phone: (216) 397-4528 (work)
>fax: (216) 397-1723
>http://www.philipmetres.com
>http://www.behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com
>
>


From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Mon Dec 31 13:36:38 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:36:38 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Questions on form
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I suppose that's true, but the poem doesn't contain any loose accentual 
lines or sprung rhythms. Every metric foot is precise, and either an 
iamb, trochee, anapest or dactyl. There aren't any of those bunched-up 
stresses that Donald Justice says are the hallmark or free verse. It 
feels like a form there should be a name for.

The catalectic (thanks again, this time I'll write it down) tetrameter 
is a form that's always parricularly appealed to me.
I accept that it's trochaic, with the last foot truncated, but it 
doesn't feel that way. The lines each feel distinctive, balanced at some 
point between trochee and iamb, even sometimes balancing the line with 
the trucncated foot in the middle.

_Earth_, /re_ceive_ /an _hon_/oured _guest_:
_Will_iam/ _Yeats_/ is _laid _/to _rest_.
_Let _the /_Ir_ish /_ves_sel /_lie_
_Empt_ied /_of _its /_po_et/_ry_.

_Time _/that _is _/in_tol_/er_ant_
_Of _the /_brave _and /_in_no/_cent_,
_And _in/_diff_erent/ _in _/a _week_
_To _a/ _beaut_i/_ful _phy/_sique_,

_Wor_ships/_ lang_uage/ _and _/for_gives_
_Ev_/ery_one _/by _whom _/it _lives_;
_Pard_ons /_cow_/ar_dice_, /con_ceit_,
_Lays_/ its _hon_/ours _at _/their _feet_.

I know you might not scan it the same way -- I might not scan it the 
same way twice. But that's the magic of it for me.


Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/31/2007 9:45:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
> Opus40-01 at opus40.org writes:
>>
>> The first one of these is really embarrassing, because I've asked it
>> here before, and Sam Gwynn gave me the answer, but I can't find where I
>> wrote it down, and I've forgotten it.
>>
>> The form that Yeats and Auden use -- thr four stress line that begins
>> and ends with a stressed syllable, so that every metric foot in the line
>> can really be either an iamb or a trochee --
>>
>> Irish poets, learn your trade,
>> Sing whatever is well made...
>>
>> In the nightmare of the dark
>> All the dogs of Europe bark...
>>
>> what's it called?
>>
>
>
> This is trochaic tetrameter catalectic.  The final unstressed syllable 
> is cut ('"catalexis" means "cutting").  Sometimes poets will mix this 
> line with iambic tetrameter, as Housman does in "'Terence . . . ."
>
>> And is there a name for the form of "September 1, 1939"? It's written in
>> 3-stress lines, and it's all accentual-syllabic, but the syllable count
>> varies from 6 (3 iambs -- "Uncertain and afraid...About Diaghilev...")
>> to 9 (" To resume their compulsory game..") with virtually every
>> combination of accentual-syllabic feet you can put into a three-stress
>> line in between.
>
> It can't be accentual-syllabic if the syllable count varies that much, 
> so you'd have to call it three-stress accentual.  You could also call 
> it (with Frost) "loose iambic," which for him meant an iambic base 
> with liberal substitutions of anapests.  The latter might be better 
> because there aren't (I don't believe) any lines shorter than six 
> syllables.  "Logaoedic" usually means a line consisting of mixed types 
> of feet.


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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Mon Dec 31 13:43:11 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:43:11 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Poet Problem in NYC
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> Poetry HAS been exterminated in all but a few select areas of 
> society.  Classrooms ARE mostly poet-free, as are libraries and 
> bookstores.  Last time I checked, independent bookstores were extinct 
> too, and the big chains offer up a mere sliver of a shelf for poetry. . .
>
And that sliver is reserved for poets of proven harmlessness.

--Bob G.





From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Mon Dec 31 13:48:30 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:48:30 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] VizPo: Jenny Holzer
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Anny Ballardini wrote:
> She is getting better and better, opps... I said I did not want to 
> fight with Grumman, ...
>
I just spent a pleasant holiday weekend with my cousin in St. Petersburg 
(Florida), and therefore feeling mellow, Anny, so I'll merely say that 
Holzer certainly couldn't get worse. 

Happy New Year.

Externally Rageous Robert
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From millb at aol.com  Mon Dec 31 14:17:46 2007
From: millb at aol.com (millb at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:17:46 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Poet Problem in NYC
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Exactly.? Rod McKuen, Jewel. . .


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> Poetry HAS been exterminated in all but a few select areas of > society. Classrooms ARE mostly poet-free, as are libraries and > bookstores. Last time I checked, independent bookstores were extinct > too, and the big chains offer up a mere sliver of a shelf for poetry. . .?
>?
And that sliver is reserved for poets of proven harmlessness.?
?
--Bob G.?
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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Mon Dec 31 14:17:49 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:17:49 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Questions on form
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Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/31/2007 9:45:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
> Opus40-01 at opus40.org writes:
>>
>> The first one of these is really embarrassing, because I've asked it
>> here before, and Sam Gwynn gave me the answer, but I can't find where I
>> wrote it down, and I've forgotten it.
>>
>> The form that Yeats and Auden use -- thr four stress line that begins
>> and ends with a stressed syllable, so that every metric foot in the line
>> can really be either an iamb or a trochee --
>>
>> Irish poets, learn your trade,
>> Sing whatever is well made...
>>
>> In the nightmare of the dark
>> All the dogs of Europe bark...
>>
>> what's it called?
>>
>
>
> This is trochaic tetrameter catalectic.  The final unstressed syllable 
> is cut ('"catalexis" means "cutting").  Sometimes poets will mix this 
> line with iambic tetrameter, as Housman does in "'Terence . . . ."
Why is the last syllable supposed cut rather than the first?  I can't 
read anything like this without hearing Blake's tyger.
>
>> And is there a name for the form of "September 1, 1939"? It's written in
>> 3-stress lines, and it's all accentual-syllabic, but the syllable count
>> varies from 6 (3 iambs -- "Uncertain and afraid...About Diaghilev...")
>> to 9 (" To resume their compulsory game..") with virtually every
>> combination of accentual-syllabic feet you can put into a three-stress
>> line in between.
>
> It can't be accentual-syllabic if the syllable count varies that much, 
> so you'd have to call it three-stress accentual.  You could also call 
> it (with Frost) "loose iambic," which for him meant an iambic base 
> with liberal substitutions of anapests.  The latter might be better 
> because there aren't (I don't believe) any lines shorter than six 
> syllables.  "Logaoedic" usually means a line consisting of mixed types 
> of feet.
I'd go with three-stress accentual, myself.

--Bob G.
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From jfq at myuw.net  Mon Dec 31 15:07:46 2007
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:07:46 -0800 (PST)
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I think it's precisely these sorts of discussions that reveal the limitations of traditional bivalent scansion. Clearly there's a rhythmic scheme in this:


> _Earth_, /re_ceive_ /an _hon_/oured _guest_:
> _Will_iam/ _Yeats_/ is _laid _/to _rest_.
> _Let _the /_Ir_ish /_ves_sel /_lie_
> _Empt_ied /_of _its /_po_et/_ry_.
>
> _Time _/that _is _/in_tol_/er_ant_
> _Of _the /_brave _and /_in_no/_cent_,
> _And _in/_diff_erent/ _in _/a _week_
> _To _a/ _beaut_i/_ful _phy/_sique_,
>
> _Wor_ships/_ lang_uage/ _and _/for_gives_
> _Ev_/ery_one _/by _whom _/it _lives_;
> _Pard_ons /_cow_/ar_dice_, /con_ceit_,
> _Lays_/ its _hon_/ours _at _/their _feet_.

but you try to shoehorn it into Greek feet, and the next thing you know you have to invent all sorts of weird schemata to "explain" something that's really very intuitive if you don't think to hard about it: there are two strong stresses coupled with two attendant weak stresses on each line (in the first line quoted above, the strong stresses are on "Earth" and "hon" and weak stresses on "ceive" and "guest") and the length of the line changes as needed due to the variable length of the syllables and the presence of caesura which would otherwise upset the pace of the pulse underlying the placement of the stresses.



From JforJames at aol.com  Mon Dec 31 15:31:03 2007
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:31:03 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] 7 Things You Should Know About Being a Poet
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my seven here:
_http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2007/12/seven-things.html_ 
(http://ursprache.blogspot.com/2007/12/seven-things.html) 
 (http://ursprache.blogspot.com)  



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From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton)
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Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: 
    In a message dated 12/31/2007 9:45:33 AM Central Standard Time, Opus40-01 at opus40.org writes: 


      The first one of these is really embarrassing, because I've asked it 
      here before, and Sam Gwynn gave me the answer, but I can't find where I 
      wrote it down, and I've forgotten it.

      The form that Yeats and Auden use -- thr four stress line that begins 
      and ends with a stressed syllable, so that every metric foot in the line 
      can really be either an iamb or a trochee --

      Irish poets, learn your trade,
      Sing whatever is well made...

      In the nightmare of the dark
      All the dogs of Europe bark...

      what's it called?




    This is trochaic tetrameter catalectic.  The final unstressed syllable is cut ('"catalexis" means "cutting").  Sometimes poets will mix this line with iambic tetrameter, as Housman does in "'Terence . . . ."

  Why is the last syllable supposed cut rather than the first?  I can't read anything like this without hearing Blake's tyger.



      And is there a name for the form of "September 1, 1939"? It's written in 
      3-stress lines, and it's all accentual-syllabic, but the syllable count 
      varies from 6 (3 iambs -- "Uncertain and afraid...About Diaghilev...") 
      to 9 (" To resume their compulsory game..") with virtually every 
      combination of accentual-syllabic feet you can put into a three-stress 
      line in between.


    It can't be accentual-syllabic if the syllable count varies that much, so you'd have to call it three-stress accentual.  You could also call it (with Frost) "loose iambic," which for him meant an iambic base with liberal substitutions of anapests.  The latter might be better because there aren't (I don't believe) any lines shorter than six syllables.  "Logaoedic" usually means a line consisting of mixed types of feet.
  I'd go with three-stress accentual, myself.

  --Bob G.


  The form of Yeats' "Easter 1916", picked up by Auden in "September 1939" (and I think in a Seamus Heaney poem -- "Four Men"?) isn't quite the trochaic tetrameter of the lines from Auden's "Elegy for Yeats" also quoted above.  The latter *is syllable accent, and the metre of Blake's Tyger (as Bob is correctly perceiving). 1916 and 1939 best scan as accentual (three-stress), not syllable-accent.

  It's not simply a difference in metres but between two different metrical systems.

  RH.
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From grahamd at ripon.edu  Mon Dec 31 16:19:49 2007
From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:19:49 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Sliver of poetry
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I'm not sure what bookstores others patronize, but I find much more  
than a sliver of a shelf of contemporary poets at, say, the Barnes &  
Noble in Appleton, Wisconsin, which is a small midwestern city no one  
would confuse with Chicago or even Madison.

It's by no means the sort of deep & varied selection that I'd like,  
but neither is it just Billy Collins, Maya Angelou & Carl Sandburg.   
By any means.  Sure, they typically carry a mess of para-verse by  
celebrities and that poor handicapped kid who wrote inspirational  
poems, but you can also find Saul Williams, Charles Wright, Adrienne  
Rich, John Balaban, Gerald Stern, and the omnipresent Ashbery, to  
name just a few sighted on a recent visit.

One can fairly regularly find books by Copper Canyon, Graywolf, U  
Pittsburgh, and other such presses, plus of course the usual New York  
houses.

As for the proven harmlessless of the poets on the shelf,

      Some have at first for Wits, then Poets past,
      Turn'd Criticks next, and prov'd plain Fools at last. . . .


========================================
David Graham
grahamd at ripon.edu

Home Page:
http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html

Poetry Library:
http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
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On Dec 31, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Bob Grumman wrote:

>
>> Poetry HAS been exterminated in all but a few select areas of  
>> society.  Classrooms ARE mostly poet-free, as are libraries and  
>> bookstores.  Last time I checked, independent bookstores were  
>> extinct too, and the big chains offer up a mere sliver of a shelf  
>> for poetry. . .
>>
> And that sliver is reserved for poets of proven harmlessness.
>
> --Bob G.
>
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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Mon Dec 31 16:40:19 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:40:19 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Questions on form
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I don't think so. It's very regular, whether you read it as all trochees 
or a balance between iambs and trochees, you still have seven syllables 
in every line, three metric feet of two sy;llables and one of one.

jfq at myuw.net wrote:
> I think it's precisely these sorts of discussions that reveal the 
> limitations of traditional bivalent scansion. Clearly there's a 
> rhythmic scheme in this:
>
>
>> _Earth_, /re_ceive_ /an _hon_/oured _guest_:
>> _Will_iam/ _Yeats_/ is _laid _/to _rest_.
>> _Let _the /_Ir_ish /_ves_sel /_lie_
>> _Empt_ied /_of _its /_po_et/_ry_.
>>
>> _Time _/that _is _/in_tol_/er_ant_
>> _Of _the /_brave _and /_in_no/_cent_,
>> _And _in/_diff_erent/ _in _/a _week_
>> _To _a/ _beaut_i/_ful _phy/_sique_,
>>
>> _Wor_ships/_ lang_uage/ _and _/for_gives_
>> _Ev_/ery_one _/by _whom _/it _lives_;
>> _Pard_ons /_cow_/ar_dice_, /con_ceit_,
>> _Lays_/ its _hon_/ours _at _/their _feet_.
>
> but you try to shoehorn it into Greek feet, and the next thing you 
> know you have to invent all sorts of weird schemata to "explain" 
> something that's really very intuitive if you don't think to hard 
> about it: there are two strong stresses coupled with two attendant 
> weak stresses on each line (in the first line quoted above, the strong 
> stresses are on "Earth" and "hon" and weak stresses on "ceive" and 
> "guest") and the length of the line changes as needed due to the 
> variable length of the syllables and the presence of caesura which 
> would otherwise upset the pace of the pulse underlying the placement 
> of the stresses.
>
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-- 
Tad Richards
http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Mon Dec 31 16:46:05 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:46:05 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Questions on form
In-Reply-To: <2250D527CF9C433B8902A119E2DE8DD3@HamiltonPC>
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Robin -- yes, I was asking two separate questions. But I still find the 
three-accent line of "September" to have a precision not present in all 
accentual verse.

Robin Hamilton wrote:
>
> Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote:
>
>>     In a message dated 12/31/2007 9:45:33 AM Central Standard Time,
>>     Opus40-01 at opus40.org writes:
>>>
>>>     The first one of these is really embarrassing, because I've
>>>     asked it
>>>     here before, and Sam Gwynn gave me the answer, but I can't find
>>>     where I
>>>     wrote it down, and I've forgotten it.
>>>
>>>     The form that Yeats and Auden use -- thr four stress line that
>>>     begins
>>>     and ends with a stressed syllable, so that every metric foot in
>>>     the line
>>>     can really be either an iamb or a trochee --
>>>
>>>     Irish poets, learn your trade,
>>>     Sing whatever is well made...
>>>
>>>     In the nightmare of the dark
>>>     All the dogs of Europe bark...
>>>
>>>     what's it called?
>>>
>>
>>
>>     This is trochaic tetrameter catalectic.  The final unstressed
>>     syllable is cut ('"catalexis" means "cutting").  Sometimes poets
>>     will mix this line with iambic tetrameter, as Housman does in
>>     "'Terence . . . ."
>     Why is the last syllable supposed cut rather than the first?  I
>     can't read anything like this without hearing Blake's tyger.
>>
>>>     And is there a name for the form of "September 1, 1939"? It's
>>>     written in
>>>     3-stress lines, and it's all accentual-syllabic, but the
>>>     syllable count
>>>     varies from 6 (3 iambs -- "Uncertain and afraid...About
>>>     Diaghilev...")
>>>     to 9 (" To resume their compulsory game..") with virtually every
>>>     combination of accentual-syllabic feet you can put into a
>>>     three-stress
>>>     line in between.
>>
>>     It can't be accentual-syllabic if the syllable count varies that
>>     much, so you'd have to call it three-stress accentual.  You could
>>     also call it (with Frost) "loose iambic," which for him meant an
>>     iambic base with liberal substitutions of anapests.  The latter
>>     might be better because there aren't (I don't believe) any lines
>>     shorter than six syllables.  "Logaoedic" usually means a line
>>     consisting of mixed types of feet.
>     I'd go with three-stress accentual, myself.
>
>     --Bob G.
>
>     The form of Yeats' "Easter 1916", picked up by Auden in "September
>     1939" (and I think in a Seamus Heaney poem -- "Four Men"?) isn't
>     quite the trochaic tetrameter of the lines from Auden's "Elegy for
>     Yeats" also quoted above.  The latter *is syllable accent, and the
>     metre of Blake's Tyger (as Bob is correctly perceiving). 1916 and
>     1939 best scan as accentual (three-stress), not syllable-accent.
>      
>     It's not simply a difference in metres but between two different
>     metrical systems.
>      
>     RH.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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>   

-- 
Tad Richards
http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From halvard at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 31 16:48:07 2007
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:48:07 -0600
Subject: [New-Poetry] Sonnet for the New Year
Message-ID: <E3787369-F8C2-4C50-B73F-0FB3E26FA4A4@earthlink.net>



Sonnet for the New Year

Pleistocene campfires flickering in the distance, deeply
rooted slogans chat it up with money barons. Medical
malpractice suits us just fine, thank you very much.
For instance, well-delivered apologies salve all wounds.
Partial reconciliations break step when crossing a bridge,
miraculous transformations no longer expected or offered.
Higher disease rates unrelated to education or health costs
speak volumes to our well-tuned ears. Biology urges us

to seek out music in the company of other people. Yahweh
and other loud cellphone talkers gather to break bread to-
gether, airwaves atremble with salutations, with greetings.
On everyone?s lips, prospects for reelection, for theatrical
productions that do not close in a month or less. And soon,
all spats aside, someone texts us a toast, and all follow suit.





Hal

"Start every year off with a smile,
  and get it over with."
  		 --after W. C. Fields

Halvard Johnson
================
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http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html
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From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Mon Dec 31 16:48:34 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:48:34 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Sliver of poetry
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I'll do a report on poetry shelves at my local bookstores next time I 
venture out into the snow.

David Graham wrote:
> I'm not sure what bookstores others patronize, but I find much more 
> than a sliver of a shelf of contemporary poets at, say, the Barnes & 
> Noble in Appleton, Wisconsin, which is a small midwestern city no one 
> would confuse with Chicago or even Madison.  
>
> It's by no means the sort of deep & varied selection that I'd like, 
> but neither is it just Billy Collins, Maya Angelou & Carl Sandburg. 
>  By any means.  Sure, they typically carry a mess of para-verse by 
> celebrities and that poor handicapped kid who wrote inspirational 
> poems, but you can also find Saul Williams, Charles Wright, Adrienne 
> Rich, John Balaban, Gerald Stern, and the omnipresent Ashbery, to name 
> just a few sighted on a recent visit.  
>
> One can fairly regularly find books by Copper Canyon, Graywolf, U 
> Pittsburgh, and other such presses, plus of course the usual New York 
> houses.  
>
> As for the proven harmlessless of the poets on the shelf,
>
>      Some have at first for Wits, then Poets past,
>      Turn'd Criticks next, and prov'd plain Fools at last. . . .
>
>
> ========================================
> David Graham
> grahamd at ripon.edu <mailto:grahamd at ripon.edu>
>
> Home Page:
> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/About%20Me.html
>
> Poetry Library:
> http://web.mac.com/drjazz/iWeb/Site/DGPoLibrary.html
> ==========================================
>
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Bob Grumman wrote:
>
>>
>>> Poetry HAS been exterminated in all but a few select areas of 
>>> society.  Classrooms ARE mostly poet-free, as are libraries and 
>>> bookstores.  Last time I checked, independent bookstores were 
>>> extinct too, and the big chains offer up a mere sliver of a shelf 
>>> for poetry. . .
>>>
>> And that sliver is reserved for poets of proven harmlessness.
>>
>> --Bob G.
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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>   

-- 
Tad Richards
http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From Opus40-01 at opus40.org  Mon Dec 31 17:07:08 2007
From: Opus40-01 at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:07:08 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP Sandy Taylor
Message-ID: <4779680C.8020308@opus40.org>


December 28, 2007
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I must have lived my life all wrong

never having had any grief counselors

or psychologists to comfort me on every move ?

Imagine! ? I endured the death of my friend

all by myself and for me every new town

was a great adventure. Maybe that's why

I seldom cry at movies and am always ready

to kiss death on the mouth.

? Alexander Taylor, "Is Something Missing?"

Wherever poetry is read in Connecticut, Alexander "Sandy" Taylor's 
influence is most likely at work behind the scenes.

The former college professor who died Dec. 21 at age 76 nurtured many 
poets and poetry fans in the 32 years since he co-founded Curbstone 
Press in Willimantic.

Mr. Taylor and his wife, Judith Ayer Doyle, built the storefront 
publishing company into an internationally respected vehicle for 
fostering human rights and understanding through literature. They gave 
voice to dozens of writers, many of them minorities and prominent poets, 
including Martin Espada and Marilyn Nelson.

Curbstone's focus on human rights and social justice was Mr. Taylor's 
guiding passion. The literary world is better for his perseverance and 
dedication. He built a catalog of remarkable publications that foster 
diverse viewpoints and cultural insights. He used his extraordinary eye 
for talent to give voice to authors who question the status quo.

Works bearing the Curbstone imprint have won many awards, both state and 
national. Curbstone also sponsors poetry readings and promotes literacy 
in schools and prisons. It is at the center of a thriving arts community 
in Willimantic.

Happily, his widow plans to continue their work and Curbstone will live on.

Mr. Taylor was a poet as well as a publisher and a translator. Like 
others in the Curbstone family, his work was accessible and his words 
were stirring.

"Whether conversational, satiric or elegiac, these poems communicate in 
a direct and clear language a lived life struggling to fully realize its 
humanity by fighting for the humanity of others," wrote one reviewer of 
Mr. Taylor's last poetry collection, "Dreaming at the Gates of Fury."

By all accounts, Sandy Taylor's life was a great one, making his loss 
all the more poignant.

Copyright ? 2007, The Hartford Courant <http://www.courant.com/>



-- 
Tad Richards
http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
http://opusforty.blogspot.com/

The moral is this: in American verse,
The better you are, the pay is worse.
  --Corey Ford



From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Mon Dec 31 17:36:05 2007
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:36:05 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Questions on form
Message-ID: <d54.1ef01e43.34aac8d5@cs.com>

In a message dated 12/31/2007 3:46:30 PM Central Standard Time, 
Opus40-01 at opus40.org writes: 
> 
> Robin -- yes, I was asking two separate questions. But I still find the 
> three-accent line of "September" to have a precision not present in all 
> accentual verse.
> 
That's why Frost called it "loose iambic."  See "Neither Out Far nor In 
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From AlMaginnes at aol.com  Mon Dec 31 18:57:30 2007
From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:57:30 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Questions on form
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God, I haven't seen discussion of form this exhaustive since Jim  Whitehead's 
Form and Theory of Poetry, back in the day. Thanks  ;-)



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From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Mon Dec 31 19:29:07 2007
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:29:07 EST
Subject: [New-Poetry] Questions on form
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In a message dated 12/31/2007 5:58:20 PM Central Standard Time, 
AlMaginnes at aol.com writes: 
> God, I haven't seen discussion of form this exhaustive since Jim 
> Whitehead's Form and Theory of Poetry, back in the day. Thanks ;-)
> 
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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Mon Dec 31 19:32:36 2007
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:32:36 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Questions on form
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TheOldMole wrote:
> Robin -- yes, I was asking two separate questions. But I still find 
> the three-accent line of "September" to have a precision not present 
> in all accentual verse.
>
> Robin Hamilton wrote:
I'm with you on "September," Mole.  I see no point in distinguishing 
various degrees of stresses on the syllables--to me it's trochee with an 
extra beat, or iambic with a missing unstressed syllable.  If not, then 
what IS trochaic or iambic--since you can find more than two strengths 
of stresses in any string of words.  Seems to me the whole point of 
meter is regularization--and slightly de-prosing a text by boosting 
certain accented syllables and lightening certain unaccented ones.  
(Here, and most of the time.)

--Bob