[New-Poetry] NatPoMo

[Roger Day]

The poor have less leisure time, have less money to spend on these
privileged resources.

Roger

On 4/15/07, Jason Quackenbush <jfq at myuw.net> wrote:
> I don't think that either Amy or I are saying that there aren't people from all social strata that don't care for that sort of thing. And more
> importantly, I don't think it's even necessary for a person to be a valuable and contributing member of society that they do care about difficult art.
> What I rankle at, and I think Laura and Amy rankle at too, is the idea that a person is less likely to care about intellectually challenging work when
> they are on the lower end of the economic ladder. I don't think there's any reason to hold that opinion unless you also hold the opinion that
> difficult work is the exclusive privilege of Bataille's accursed share. I don't see any reason to believe that a person's socio-economic status has a
> great deal of sway over how they spend their leisure time, and saying otherwise gets my back up a bit because it strikes me as reinforcing cultural
> stereotypes of the poor as a great unwashed mass who are too tired, uneducated, and stupid to have a vivid intellectual life. I'm no sociologist, but
> i feel compelled to say that in my empirical experience of society, that stereotype has no foundation in reality.
>
> Anny Ballardini wrote:
> > I don't think Amy that James was heading at something like that. From
> > what I read (I almost read all the messages) I understood that James was
> > seeing the broader picture in a sociological way. How many Amy Kings do
> > we have around? Let's face it Amy without any false modesty. One needs a
> > lot of guts to get work, study, poetry, eating and sleeping in one
> > single day, and not only for one day, but for an entire life. This I
> > think is what James meant, and I do not think he is too distant from you
> > either. There is a poem if I am right of when he worked at the harbor,
> > but here I might be inventing.
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *From:* amy king <mailto:amyhappens at yahoo.com>
> >     *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views
> >     <mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> >     *Sent:* Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:11 PM
> >     *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] NatPoMo
> >
> >     I second Jason here.  The first poetry that ever thrilled me
> >     happened to be a Black Sparrow edition of Stein's poems I picked up
> >     by chance when I first started college.  "Poetry" was just a
> >     Hallmark beautification until then.  I'll spare you the details, but
> >     I too was a member of the lower class that you just pompously
> >     characterized and devalued.  I'd read those poems aloud to friends
> >     on the phone because I was excited to share and hear them become
> >     from my very own tongue.  Many of those friends had inner city
> >     educations in the lower class neighborhoods as well; some enjoyed
> >     the work and became curious, while others were merely entertained by
> >     the 'silly' nonsensical value.
> >
> >     Are you telling me that the various experiences we shared with those
> >     poems were not valuable or authentic because we didn't grow up with
> >     money and were not 'properly cultured' or educated?  Because we were
> >     tired after working two jobs - and thinking wasn't feasible?  That
> >     mountain you occupy must be very difficult to see from -- your
> >     myopia is incredibly astounding ... 'most' tired poor people have
> >     the most elementary of intellectual lives that can only rise to
> >     level of absorbing tv?  Anyone who does is an exception?  Jeez.
> >
> >
> >     */JforJames at aol.com/* wrote:
> >
> >         In a message dated 4/15/2007 3:55:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >         jfq at myuw.net writes:
> >
> >             Just because a guy makes minimum wage he won't be interested
> >             in difficult art? As someone who has worked for minimum wage
> >             and
> >             lived well below the poverty level for most of my adult
> >             life, i can tell you from first hand experience that you're
> >             full of it and you're teetering on
> >             the edge of a repressive bourgeois elitism that is callous,
> >             insulting, and condescending.
> >
> >         There are always exceptions. But wake up...don't you have a TV?
> >         Finnegan
> >
> >
> >
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