[New-Poetry] crooks a poet should owe

[Chris Stroffolino]

I think it's really cool that Robin and Bob and I share this "other  
side" aspect
(for the benefit of the others, I mean that we're also on a  
Shakespeare list....)

Hey, Tad, (or others) are there any cool songwriters' lists out there  
you're on?

...hmmm....wondering if my "theme question" will remain unanswered or  
addressed...
and, if so, is it coz I hit a nerve?      or am just so 'out of the  
loop'

so maybe i'll reframe the question some time....

in the meantime, I hold out hope that the extra hour I won't have to  
pay rent for until April
will be a productive and/or fun one....

Oh yeah, and Lord Byron aside, reading Cohen's '78 Penguin "Death Of  
Ladies Man,"
is pretty fascinating---
Funny, how when all the 'low' and/or populist and/or popular or  
"accessible"
poetry discussion comes up, there's a lot of Collins (Kooser?) and  
Bukowski
(oh this might happen more on the other list---but I think it happens  
here too)
but there hardly ever is Cohen....

Then we get the Merle, Dylan, Joni Mitchell, etc songwriters things  
much more on this list--

But Cohen is singularly fascinating to me, coz of having been trained  
as a page-poet
and then doing the music thing--and sort of trying to come back to  
the page thing in "Death
Of A ladies Man" (the book not the album of the same name)
Oh, and a very interesting comparison could be made
between the kinds of 'sexism' in Bukowski compared to Cohen---or,  
more benignly, gender issues--
so-called 'transgressive heterosexuality' (which may very well much  
more the norm
than is let on---
Anyway, that's just my current little "poetry-related" obsession,  
being much younger
than Cohen but going through similar struggles between these two  
specialized 'genres'
and/or 'social worlds,'  needing to put them into dialogue with each  
other in my own art,
and "not just my own art"----

Chris



On Oct 28, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Bob Grumman wrote:

> By the way, the latest Shakespeare tip from the other side is that  
> Antonio in Merchant is a Jew who converted to Christianity.  Don't  
> tell anyone you heard that from me, though--it may be secret info.
>
> --Bobblin

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