From JforJames at aol.com Wed Nov 1 12:14:49 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:14:49 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own Message-ID: <574.7cbb1255.327a3009@aol.com> In a message dated 10/31/2006 7:54:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlMaginnes at aol.com writes: Has anyone said The Triggering Town by Richard Hugo? No, but that one should be on the ideal shelf. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkotin at uchicago.edu Wed Nov 1 12:25:12 2006 From: jkotin at uchicago.edu (Joshua Kotin) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:25:12 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] New CHICAGO REVIEW + + + + REXROTH Message-ID: <03E351F0-E1F7-4910-A711-0E1DF45E846C@uchicago.edu> Dear New Poetry --- The new, sixtieth-anniversary issue of Chicago Review is now out! It includes: * Feature on Kenneth Rexroth (letters to Zukofsky, Y. Winters, J. Williams, & more! New poems & celebrations by Jack Spicer, William Everson, Sam Hamill, Bradford Morrow, Lisa Jarnot, & more!) * Stories by Wu Ming + + + + * Poems John Ashbery, Fanny Howe, Jesse Seldess, Emily Wilson, Toma? ?alamun, Christian Hawkey & more + + + + As a special offer to this New Poetry List: Subscribe for two years or more and receive a FREE copy of Rexroth?s COMPLETE POEMS from Copper Canyon! (Offer limited to first fifty subscribers. Please note offer in comments field when ordering online.) + + + + + + + + If you already have Rexroth?s COMPLETE POEMS, please choose from one of the following books from FLOOD EDITIONS when placing your subscription: * Thomas Meyer?s Daode Jing * William Fuller?s Watchword * Robert Adamson?s The Goldfinches of Baghdad * Elizabeth Arnold?s Civilization ALL SPECIAL OFFERS EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 1. Please note book of choice when ordering online. 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Earlier this year, Viking published Bill Morgan's breezy biography, ?I Celebrate Myself: The Somewhat Private Life of Allen Ginsberg? (702 pages, $29.95), and just this month HarperCollins published ?Collected Poems: 1947-1997? (1189 pages, $39.95). Next month, De Capo Press will bring out Ginsberg's earliest journals and poems ? journals begun in 1937 when, already charming and literate, the poet was all of 11 years old ? under the title ?The Book of Martyrdom and Artifice? (416 pages, $27.50). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Local laws and customs are no longer beneath contempt, proper subjects only for writers and for travel agents swimming against the tide of online reservation booking. Handbooks of popular proverbs and sayings yield only revisionist maxims such as ?Don?t swap wooden nickels in midstream? and ?Necessity?s mother knows no laws.? In the meanwhile, we were fiddling when we should have been faddling. Promising stock options were allowed to drop. Another of Peggy Lee?s sad songs. Her death was natural, much to everyone?s relief. Not macht erfinderisch. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 06:41:17 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 04:41:17 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] "Sonnet: Clouds of Knowing and Unknowing" In-Reply-To: <3D2115D6-5EE0-4185-93D8-752E4832CE9B@earthlink.net> References: <3D2115D6-5EE0-4185-93D8-752E4832CE9B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <648208b60611030341u3a9e7984vf59448dca8c5c936@mail.gmail.com> Sent me to Babelfish: "Not macht erfinderisch." And I think it got butchered. Are we to take it as being more or less "emergency not the mother of invention"? - Jim On 11/2/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > > Sonnet: Clouds of Knowing and Unknowing > > Expecting fathers and their favorers--long used to knowing > what to do, what not to do--consider medical evacuation > to be among their least attractive options. Familiarizing > ourselves with alternative travel plans might be wise to do. > > Local laws and customs are no longer beneath contempt, > proper subjects only for writers and for travel agents > swimming against the tide of online reservation booking. > > Handbooks of popular proverbs and sayings yield only > revisionist maxims such as "Don't swap wooden nickels > in midstream" and "Necessity's mother knows no laws." > > In the meanwhile, we were fiddling when we should have > been faddling. Promising stock options were allowed to drop. > Another of Peggy Lee's sad songs. Her death was natural, > much to everyone's relief. Not macht erfinderisch. > > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Nov 3 07:51:37 2006 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 04:51:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] THIS WEEKEND -- Baltimore and Washington D.C. -- RON PADGETT In-Reply-To: <648208b60611030341u3a9e7984vf59448dca8c5c936@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061103125137.86468.qmail@web83110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> RON PADGETT & AMY KING 4 Nov 2006 | 4:00 PM Michael Ball Hosts @ Clayton Fine Books 317 N Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21201 (410) 752-6800 http://www.claytonfinebooks.com/ __________________ RON PADGETT & AMY KING 5 Nov 2006 | 7:00 PM Rod Smith Hosts @ Bridge Street Books 2814 Pennsylvania Ave NW (at M St NW) Washington D.C. (202) 965-5200 http://www.dcpoetry.com/events/379 __________________ http://amyking.org/blog/ --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited Try it today. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Fri Nov 3 08:37:31 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:37:31 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] "Sonnet: Clouds of Knowing and Unknowing" In-Reply-To: <648208b60611030341u3a9e7984vf59448dca8c5c936@mail.gmail.com> References: <3D2115D6-5EE0-4185-93D8-752E4832CE9B@earthlink.net> <648208b60611030341u3a9e7984vf59448dca8c5c936@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F1618C1-513A-44E9-BA80-B11DA1F25B0B@earthlink.net> Without the "not." "Not" = emergency. Hal "One would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at the death of Little Nell." --Oscar Wilde Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Nov 3, 2006, at 6:41 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > Sent me to Babelfish: "Not macht erfinderisch." And I think it got > butchered. Are we to take it as being more or less "emergency not the > mother of invention"? > > - Jim > > On 11/2/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: >> >> >> Sonnet: Clouds of Knowing and Unknowing >> >> Expecting fathers and their favorers--long used to knowing >> what to do, what not to do--consider medical evacuation >> to be among their least attractive options. Familiarizing >> ourselves with alternative travel plans might be wise to do. >> >> Local laws and customs are no longer beneath contempt, >> proper subjects only for writers and for travel agents >> swimming against the tide of online reservation booking. >> >> Handbooks of popular proverbs and sayings yield only >> revisionist maxims such as "Don't swap wooden nickels >> in midstream" and "Necessity's mother knows no laws." >> >> In the meanwhile, we were fiddling when we should have >> been faddling. Promising stock options were allowed to drop. >> Another of Peggy Lee's sad songs. Her death was natural, >> much to everyone's relief. Not macht erfinderisch. >> >> >> >> Hal >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at gmail.com >> halvard at earthlink.net >> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Nov 3 11:43:13 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:43:13 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books To Be Read Immediately In-Reply-To: <2947.1162402579@opus40.org> References: <2947.1162402579@opus40.org> Message-ID: <17070674-CF91-4333-98D4-DCC4626BC17C@ripon.edu> The thread has long since evolved from whatever it was to Books I Like/Recommend. Cool. I'm all for it, especially when people (like Tad below) give us more than just a title to chew on. Hugo's *The Triggering Town* was crucial to me, also, along with Stafford's *Writing the Australian Crawl* and Wagoner's edition of Roethke's journals--all of which came to me at about the same formative point, forming as well as informing me in ways I'm still sorting out decades later. Right now at the top of my bedside stack is Francine Prose's *Reading Like a Writer*. Her subject is great prose, not poetry, but I can't imagine a poet not finding it delightful and instructive. The book is a big ode to the pleasures and rewards of close reading, and in her own prose Prose wonderfully practices what she preaches. It's filled with little gems, and makes you want to drop everything and pick up Chekhov, G. Eliot, Flaubert, and a host of more recent classics. She assumes that there are some good reasons that the classics have been in print for so long, and she quotes extensively from them, along with contemporary works she thinks of as likely to become classic. The book is an implicit (and occasionally explicit) brief against literary fashion and the tendency to view books primarily through theoretical lenses. Here's one passage from her introductory chapter that caught my eye: "Part of a reader's job is to find out why certain writers endure. This may require some rewiring, unhooking the connection that makes you think you have to have an *opinion* about the book and reconnecting that wire to whatever terminal lets you see reading as something that might move or delight you. You will do yourself a disservice if you confine your reading to the rising star whose six- figure, two-book contract might seem to indicate where your own work should be heading. I'm not saying you shouldn't read such writers, some of whom are excellent and deserving of celebrity. I'm only pointing out that they represent the dot at the end of the long, glorious, complex sentence in which literature has been written." (My subject line is the heading Francine Prose gives to her selected bibliography at the close of her book.) ------- Incidentally, Tad's post sent me out to my library to fetch Michael Schmidt's *Lives of the Poets*, whose doorstopping bulk and my natural sloth had previously prevented my acquaintance. I've just sampled so far, but he's right: it's a lively and fascinating history, full of opinions ripe for argument and exploration. On Nov 1, 2006, at 11:36 AM, wrote: > > The Triggering Town is one of my favorites, not just as a teacher > but also for my own delight and edification. I use both of Mary > Oliver's books, A Poetry Handbook and Rules for the Dance, but more > as a teacher than as a poet. I've gotten insights I liked out of > Diane Middlebrook's Worlds into Words: Understanding Modern Poems. > I like Babbette Deutch's Poetry in our Time. I like to look at what > people not of our own time have said about poetry -- I think it's > more useful than reading contemporaries (Hugo being a huge > exceptuon). Which means I like Coleridge, Sir Philip Sidney, etc. > But someone like Deutsch, who's close enough to connect to, and yet > a sensibility not of today, I find particularly interesting. > Rukeyser and Jarrell similarly, but they've been mentioned. > > I love Michael Schmidt's Lives of the Poets. It's inspiring and > educational. I go back to it a lot. > > ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Questions: chicago-review at uchicago.edu Co-sponsored by Peroni Beer & Around the Coyote + + + + In the meantime, please check out our latest issue & subscribe: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/review/ & visit our 60th-anniversary website: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/ orgs/review/60th/index_60th.shtml | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Chicago Review 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago Illinois 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/review/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Nov 3 12:04:28 2006 From: opus40-01 at opus40.org (opus40-01 at opus40.org) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:04:28 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books To Be Read Immediately Message-ID: <33096.1162573468@opus40.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hruggier at localnet.com Fri Nov 3 12:28:56 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:28:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books To Be Read Immediately References: <2947.1162402579@opus40.org> <17070674-CF91-4333-98D4-DCC4626BC17C@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <004601c6ff6d$8bca0ab0$dab35040@Helen> I'll second Writing the Australian Crawl and add in (why do people dislike him these days) Robert Bly's News of the Universe. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Books To Be Read Immediately The thread has long since evolved from whatever it was to Books I Like/Recommend. Cool. I'm all for it, especially when people (like Tad below) give us more than just a title to chew on. Hugo's *The Triggering Town* was crucial to me, also, along with Stafford's *Writing the Australian Crawl* and Wagoner's edition of Roethke's journals--all of which came to me at about the same formative point, forming as well as informing me in ways I'm still sorting out decades later. Right now at the top of my bedside stack is Francine Prose's *Reading Like a Writer*. Her subject is great prose, not poetry, but I can't imagine a poet not finding it delightful and instructive. The book is a big ode to the pleasures and rewards of close reading, and in her own prose Prose wonderfully practices what she preaches. It's filled with little gems, and makes you want to drop everything and pick up Chekhov, G. Eliot, Flaubert, and a host of more recent classics. She assumes that there are some good reasons that the classics have been in print for so long, and she quotes extensively from them, along with contemporary works she thinks of as likely to become classic. The book is an implicit (and occasionally explicit) brief against literary fashion and the tendency to view books primarily through theoretical lenses. Here's one passage from her introductory chapter that caught my eye: "Part of a reader's job is to find out why certain writers endure. This may require some rewiring, unhooking the connection that makes you think you have to have an *opinion* about the book and reconnecting that wire to whatever terminal lets you see reading as something that might move or delight you. You will do yourself a disservice if you confine your reading to the rising star whose six-figure, two-book contract might seem to indicate where your own work should be heading. I'm not saying you shouldn't read such writers, some of whom are excellent and deserving of celebrity. I'm only pointing out that they represent the dot at the end of the long, glorious, complex sentence in which literature has been written." (My subject line is the heading Francine Prose gives to her selected bibliography at the close of her book.) ------- Incidentally, Tad's post sent me out to my library to fetch Michael Schmidt's *Lives of the Poets*, whose doorstopping bulk and my natural sloth had previously prevented my acquaintance. I've just sampled so far, but he's right: it's a lively and fascinating history, full of opinions ripe for argument and exploration. On Nov 1, 2006, at 11:36 AM, wrote: The Triggering Town is one of my favorites, not just as a teacher but also for my own delight and edification. I use both of Mary Oliver's books, A Poetry Handbook and Rules for the Dance, but more as a teacher than as a poet. I've gotten insights I liked out of Diane Middlebrook's Worlds into Words: Understanding Modern Poems. I like Babbette Deutch's Poetry in our Time. I like to look at what people not of our own time have said about poetry -- I think it's more useful than reading contemporaries (Hugo being a huge exceptuon). Which means I like Coleridge, Sir Philip Sidney, etc. But someone like Deutsch, who's close enough to connect to, and yet a sensibility not of today, I find particularly interesting. Rukeyser and Jarrell similarly, but they've been mentioned. I love Michael Schmidt's Lives of the Poets. It's inspiring and educational. I go back to it a lot. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Nov 3 13:06:49 2006 From: opus40-01 at opus40.org (opus40-01 at opus40.org) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:06:49 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books To Be Read Immediately Message-ID: <33529.1162577209@opus40.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Nov 3 15:53:34 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:53:34 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: POETS IN NEED Message-ID: <004301c6ff8a$212747f0$b0c93a52@ANNY> >From Michael Rothenberg: www.poetsinneed.org. I was thinking to circulate the button to participating or endorsing or supportive friends on the internet. Are you interested in adding a button to your site? The button is attached. Any thoughts on this? 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And I have heard that Halvard might be such a person who would have read such texts but that might have been pure fantasy. I guess I will have to write more the next month to have something to read during this harsh Ohio winter. Anny Ballardini wrote: thit thot thot, I like Halvard Johnson's playering ___ what's the problem? Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus, OH 43206 http://pavementsaw.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Nov 4 12:58:49 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:58:49 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 28, Issue 25 References: <20061104162446.41542.qmail@web83113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006001c7003a$e1977090$d5a83252@ANNY> Lovely response... Said this way I am with you in cruising around Hal's books... If you want to cry, I did, see Frank McCourt's Angela's Ashes otherwise I dearly recommend much of what you can find by Calvino I recopied the collected work by Montale, it would be hard to read through with my writing Savinio DeChirico, the brother of DeChirico, worte a book I have here in Italian: Home: Life and I think it was Witold Gombrowicz who wrote Pornography, a book I thought was excellent I can't remember whom to thank but I have here, today with my mail: Derek Attridge's Poetic Rhythm and guess guess: The BEWER'S DICTIONARY OF PHRASE AND FABLE that arrived wrapped up in paper, then in plastic then in polysterene and finally in a big white box! Jeex Much more practical and less expensive Powell's, Attridge was sent in a neatly sealed big sort of cardboard envelope, professional and clean. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Baratier To: Anny Ballardini ; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 28, Issue 25 Hi Anny-- Sorry for the delay, been sick. Hey, no problem, I was hoping my response would generate some obscure reading material for the cold winter ahead, a comprehensive list, not a book suggested here and there that I have already read. And I have heard that Halvard might be such a person who would have read such texts but that might have been pure fantasy. I guess I will have to write more the next month to have something to read during this harsh Ohio winter. Anny Ballardini wrote: thit thot thot, I like Halvard Johnson's playering ___ what's the problem? Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus, OH 43206 http://pavementsaw.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sat Nov 4 16:05:13 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:05:13 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Bly In-Reply-To: <004601c6ff6d$8bca0ab0$dab35040@Helen> References: <2947.1162402579@opus40.org> <17070674-CF91-4333-98D4-DCC4626BC17C@ripon.edu> <004601c6ff6d$8bca0ab0$dab35040@Helen> Message-ID: <5A2A55EB-46A7-4711-8E0F-1930ADCFFF72@ripon.edu> On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Helen Ruggieri wrote: > I'll second Writing the Australian Crawl and add in (why do people > dislike him these days) > Robert Bly's News of the Universe. ============ Oh, people have *always* disliked Robert Bly! Probably goes back to the 1950s, and his journal of that name, in which he fairly mercilessly skewered many famous poets. And then his long-time habit of doing readings for creative writing programs while ridiculing such programs incessantly. (And failing to mention his own M.F.A.) But there are many other reasons, including some fairly silly pronouncements over the years, some dubious liberties taken in translations, and (of course) his relatively recent status as best- selling author. But I've always enjoyed Bly greatly, and think that his poetry is getting even better as he ages. I've taught *News of the Universe* a number of times; while his literary and social history sometimes needs to be taken with a grain of salt, his taste in poetry is really fine. Whatever you think of his own poetry, I'd say he's a brilliant editor. His editions of William Stafford and David Ignatow, for instance--they each do a masterful job of separating wheat from chaff. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sat Nov 4 19:41:37 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:41:37 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Bly Message-ID: In a message dated 11/4/2006 4:03:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: I've taught *News of the Universe* a number of times; while his literary and social history sometimes needs to be taken with a grain of salt, his taste in poetry is really fine Yes, I think Bly, with books like this and others, was largely responsible for increasing interest in poetry in translation. However liberal his own translations were, I think many international (panhistoriic) poets were first introduced to US readers by Bly. And those translations/poets changed contemporary US poetry during the 70s and 80s especially. His readings were often more like one-man shows (bazooki in hand) and I found him a captivating character. I learned a lot from him...not something I can say about many other poets who I have heard read. Another book/essay that I htink has held up well is "Leaping Poetry." Probably one of the better explanation of the ineffable powers of lyric poetry that I've seen. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sat Nov 4 19:43:40 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:43:40 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Mystery unearthed in poet's front yard Message-ID: <51d.a212805.327e8dbc@aol.com> _http://www.elpasotimes.com/living/ci_4600264_ (http://www.elpasotimes.com/living/ci_4600264) Mystery unearthed in poet's front yard By Adam Gorlick / Associated Press Article Launched:11/04/2006 12:00:00 AM MST AMHERST, Mass. -- For Emily Dickinson, death was never very far from the imagination. The topic fueled her writing, making for some of the most memorable lyrics in American poetry. Now, death is posinga puzzle for the caretakers of her homestead. While making improvements to the grounds of the Emily Dickinson Museum on Halloween, workers unearthed the gravestone of one of the poet's relatives. But what Gen. Thomas Gilbert's headstone was doing under 18 inches of dirt in Dickinson's front yard has some experts stumped -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hruggier at localnet.com Sun Nov 5 10:12:14 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:12:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Bly References: Message-ID: <005801c700ec$c7711fb0$750a9942@Helen> He also had an essay called A Wrong Turning in American Poetry which was a really interesting take on mid-century poetry. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Bly In a message dated 11/4/2006 4:03:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: I've taught *News of the Universe* a number of times; while his literary and social history sometimes needs to be taken with a grain of salt, his taste in poetry is really fine Yes, I think Bly, with books like this and others, was largely responsible for increasing interest in poetry in translation. However liberal his own translations were, I think many international (panhistoriic) poets were first introduced to US readers by Bly. And those translations/poets changed contemporary US poetry during the 70s and 80s especially. His readings were often more like one-man shows (bazooki in hand) and I found him a captivating character. I learned a lot from him...not something I can say about many other poets who I have heard read. Another book/essay that I htink has held up well is "Leaping Poetry." Probably one of the better explanation of the ineffable powers of lyric poetry that I've seen. Finnegan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. 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For the threshers, the stubble was still dry, The oat dust itchy, the big belt needed grease, The loads pulled up to the machine. This story happens Over and over, and it's a good story. --Robert Bly. *Morning Poems*. HarperCollins, 1997. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.kellogg at neu.edu Sun Nov 5 12:50:42 2006 From: d.kellogg at neu.edu (d.kellogg at neu.edu) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:50:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Bly In-Reply-To: <200611051700.kA5H05oO032663@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: Does anybody remember the McGrath poem called something like "Driving North Through Minnesota I Run Across one of Robert Bly's Poems?" It's one of the great parodies of Bly's excesses (and they are many), but it's kindly done, I think. David Kellogg Director, Advanced Writing in the Disciplines Department of English 465 Holmes Hall Northeastern University Boston, MA 02115 new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent by: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu 11/05/2006 12:00 PM Please respond to new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu To new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu cc Subject New-Poetry Digest, Vol 29, Issue 5 Send New-Poetry mailing list submissions to new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu You can reach the person managing the list at new-poetry-owner at wiz.cath.vt.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 28, Issue 25 (Anny Ballardini) 2. Why Bly (David Graham) 3. Re: Why Bly (JforJames at aol.com) 4. Mystery unearthed in poet's front yard (JforJames at aol.com) 5. Re: Why Bly (Helen Ruggieri) 6. Why Bly (David Graham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:58:49 +0100 From: "Anny Ballardini" Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 28, Issue 25 To: "New Poetry" Message-ID: <006001c7003a$e1977090$d5a83252 at ANNY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lovely response... Said this way I am with you in cruising around Hal's books... If you want to cry, I did, see Frank McCourt's Angela's Ashes otherwise I dearly recommend much of what you can find by Calvino I recopied the collected work by Montale, it would be hard to read through with my writing Savinio DeChirico, the brother of DeChirico, worte a book I have here in Italian: Home: Life and I think it was Witold Gombrowicz who wrote Pornography, a book I thought was excellent I can't remember whom to thank but I have here, today with my mail: Derek Attridge's Poetic Rhythm and guess guess: The BEWER'S DICTIONARY OF PHRASE AND FABLE that arrived wrapped up in paper, then in plastic then in polysterene and finally in a big white box! Jeex Much more practical and less expensive Powell's, Attridge was sent in a neatly sealed big sort of cardboard envelope, professional and clean. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Baratier To: Anny Ballardini ; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 28, Issue 25 Hi Anny-- Sorry for the delay, been sick. Hey, no problem, I was hoping my response would generate some obscure reading material for the cold winter ahead, a comprehensive list, not a book suggested here and there that I have already read. And I have heard that Halvard might be such a person who would have read such texts but that might have been pure fantasy. I guess I will have to write more the next month to have something to read during this harsh Ohio winter. Anny Ballardini wrote: thit thot thot, I like Halvard Johnson's playering ___ what's the problem? Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus, OH 43206 http://pavementsaw.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20061104/f77e9a4c/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:05:13 -0600 From: David Graham Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Bly To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Message-ID: <5A2A55EB-46A7-4711-8E0F-1930ADCFFF72 at ripon.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Helen Ruggieri wrote: > I'll second Writing the Australian Crawl and add in (why do people > dislike him these days) > Robert Bly's News of the Universe. ============ Oh, people have *always* disliked Robert Bly! Probably goes back to the 1950s, and his journal of that name, in which he fairly mercilessly skewered many famous poets. And then his long-time habit of doing readings for creative writing programs while ridiculing such programs incessantly. (And failing to mention his own M.F.A.) But there are many other reasons, including some fairly silly pronouncements over the years, some dubious liberties taken in translations, and (of course) his relatively recent status as best- selling author. But I've always enjoyed Bly greatly, and think that his poetry is getting even better as he ages. I've taught *News of the Universe* a number of times; while his literary and social history sometimes needs to be taken with a grain of salt, his taste in poetry is really fine. Whatever you think of his own poetry, I'd say he's a brilliant editor. His editions of William Stafford and David Ignatow, for instance--they each do a masterful job of separating wheat from chaff. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20061104/e8f783f4/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:41:37 EST From: JforJames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Bly To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In a message dated 11/4/2006 4:03:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: I've taught *News of the Universe* a number of times; while his literary and social history sometimes needs to be taken with a grain of salt, his taste in poetry is really fine Yes, I think Bly, with books like this and others, was largely responsible for increasing interest in poetry in translation. However liberal his own translations were, I think many international (panhistoriic) poets were first introduced to US readers by Bly. And those translations/poets changed contemporary US poetry during the 70s and 80s especially. His readings were often more like one-man shows (bazooki in hand) and I found him a captivating character. I learned a lot from him...not something I can say about many other poets who I have heard read. Another book/essay that I htink has held up well is "Leaping Poetry." Probably one of the better explanation of the ineffable powers of lyric poetry that I've seen. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20061104/b78c6a79/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:43:40 EST From: JforJames at aol.com Subject: [New-Poetry] Mystery unearthed in poet's front yard To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Message-ID: <51d.a212805.327e8dbc at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" _http://www.elpasotimes.com/living/ci_4600264_ (http://www.elpasotimes.com/living/ci_4600264) Mystery unearthed in poet's front yard By Adam Gorlick / Associated Press Article Launched:11/04/2006 12:00:00 AM MST AMHERST, Mass. -- For Emily Dickinson, death was never very far from the imagination. The topic fueled her writing, making for some of the most memorable lyrics in American poetry. Now, death is posinga puzzle for the caretakers of her homestead. While making improvements to the grounds of the Emily Dickinson Museum on Halloween, workers unearthed the gravestone of one of the poet's relatives. But what Gen. Thomas Gilbert's headstone was doing under 18 inches of dirt in Dickinson's front yard has some experts stumped -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20061104/b63af6a1/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:12:14 -0500 From: "Helen Ruggieri" Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Bly To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Message-ID: <005801c700ec$c7711fb0$750a9942 at Helen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" He also had an essay called A Wrong Turning in American Poetry which was a really interesting take on mid-century poetry. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Bly In a message dated 11/4/2006 4:03:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: I've taught *News of the Universe* a number of times; while his literary and social history sometimes needs to be taken with a grain of salt, his taste in poetry is really fine Yes, I think Bly, with books like this and others, was largely responsible for increasing interest in poetry in translation. However liberal his own translations were, I think many international (panhistoriic) poets were first introduced to US readers by Bly. And those translations/poets changed contemporary US poetry during the 70s and 80s especially. His readings were often more like one-man shows (bazooki in hand) and I found him a captivating character. I learned a lot from him...not something I can say about many other poets who I have heard read. Another book/essay that I htink has held up well is "Leaping Poetry." Probably one of the better explanation of the ineffable powers of lyric poetry that I've seen. Finnegan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20061105/fcb1fc6f/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:50:52 -0600 From: David Graham Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Bly To: "NewPoetry & Views" Message-ID: <97B73D8D-09E6-4BA4-9BE4-6CB86A47A46B at ripon.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Scandal The day the minister ran off with the choir director The bindlestiffs felt some gaiety in their arms. Spike-pitchers threw their bundles higher on the load And the County Assessor drove with a tiny smile. Actually the minister's wife felt relieved that morning, Though afraid too. She walked out by the slough, And admired the beaver's house, partly above Water, partly beneath. That seemed right. The minister felt dizzy as the two of them drove For hours: country music and the loose ribbon Mingled in his mind with the *Song of Songs*. They stopped at a small motel near Bismarck. For the threshers, the stubble was still dry, The oat dust itchy, the big belt needed grease, The loads pulled up to the machine. This story happens Over and over, and it's a good story. --Robert Bly. *Morning Poems*. HarperCollins, 1997. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Flame him! - Jim ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: djsmith at mail.usf.edu Date: Nov 5, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: UPDATE: Writing Workshop Model: Is it Still Working? (11/30/06; collection) To: cfp at english.upenn.edu Deadline extended to 11/30/06: We are seeking contributions for a collection of essays (to present for publication in 2007) which will address the status of the workshop model in creative writing and composition. The workshop model has been around for a long time. Has it become static or is it alive and well in our writing classes? What's working and what's not? What is its aim, purpose, and future? How do teachers keep workshops fresh and productive? What innovative techniques are used in conjunction with the workshop model? Contributors should send completed essays to Dianne Donnelly-Smith at djsmith at mail.usf.edu. Deadline for submission is now 11/30/06. ========================================================== From the Literary Calls for Papers Mailing List CFP at english.upenn.edu Full Information at http://cfp.english.upenn.edu or write Jennifer Higginbotham: higginbj at english.upenn.edu ========================================================== -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ From rsillima at yahoo.com Mon Nov 6 11:53:23 2006 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:53:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <666926.89052.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS The nature of choice in this year?s elections Bob Dylan tickets Bruce Andrews vs. Bill O?Reilly This blog?s 900,000th visit The impact of magazines ? 3 Working on journals to have an impact The impact of magazines ? 2 The consequences of publishing The impact of magazines ? 1 3 exemplary journals of the 1960s Coyote?s Journal Caterpillar Poetry The Electronic Literature Collection and the challenges of digital art The value of a pitching coach Property Line by Joseph Massey What Nikki Giovanni said Archive of the Now and the archival impulse in the age of digital reproduction Elizabeth Willis and Erasmus Darwin Meteoric Flowers AU70ST^RT A conference on digital writing Picking winners on Project Runway The Grand Piano An experiment in collective autobiography http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Nov 6 18:49:01 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:49:01 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] My Blog Entry for Today References: Message-ID: <007101c701fe$23a4eac0$69b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> It's one of my American Book Review pieces, a discussion at http://comprepoetica.com/newblog/Index.html of poetry and the Internet with a focus on Duration, a huge poetry website. I'd very much appreciate feedback concerning either its ideas or effectiveness as an essay. --Bob G. ----- Original Message ----- From: d.kellogg at neu.edu To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Bly Does anybody remember the McGrath poem called something like "Driving North Through Minnesota I Run Across one of Robert Bly's Poems?" It's one of the great parodies of Bly's excesses (and they are many), but it's kindly done, I think. David Kellogg Director, Advanced Writing in the Disciplines Department of English 465 Holmes Hall Northeastern University Boston, MA 02115 new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent by: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu 11/05/2006 12:00 PM Please respond to new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu To new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu cc Subject New-Poetry Digest, Vol 29, Issue 5 Send New-Poetry mailing list submissions to new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu You can reach the person managing the list at new-poetry-owner at wiz.cath.vt.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of New-Poetry digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 28, Issue 25 (Anny Ballardini) 2. Why Bly (David Graham) 3. Re: Why Bly (JforJames at aol.com) 4. Mystery unearthed in poet's front yard (JforJames at aol.com) 5. Re: Why Bly (Helen Ruggieri) 6. Why Bly (David Graham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:58:49 +0100 From: "Anny Ballardini" Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 28, Issue 25 To: "New Poetry" Message-ID: <006001c7003a$e1977090$d5a83252 at ANNY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lovely response... Said this way I am with you in cruising around Hal's books... If you want to cry, I did, see Frank McCourt's Angela's Ashes otherwise I dearly recommend much of what you can find by Calvino I recopied the collected work by Montale, it would be hard to read through with my writing Savinio DeChirico, the brother of DeChirico, worte a book I have here in Italian: Home: Life and I think it was Witold Gombrowicz who wrote Pornography, a book I thought was excellent I can't remember whom to thank but I have here, today with my mail: Derek Attridge's Poetic Rhythm and guess guess: The BEWER'S DICTIONARY OF PHRASE AND FABLE that arrived wrapped up in paper, then in plastic then in polysterene and finally in a big white box! Jeex Much more practical and less expensive Powell's, Attridge was sent in a neatly sealed big sort of cardboard envelope, professional and clean. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Baratier To: Anny Ballardini ; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 28, Issue 25 Hi Anny-- Sorry for the delay, been sick. Hey, no problem, I was hoping my response would generate some obscure reading material for the cold winter ahead, a comprehensive list, not a book suggested here and there that I have already read. And I have heard that Halvard might be such a person who would have read such texts but that might have been pure fantasy. I guess I will have to write more the next month to have something to read during this harsh Ohio winter. Anny Ballardini wrote: thit thot thot, I like Halvard Johnson's playering ___ what's the problem? Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus, OH 43206 http://pavementsaw.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20061104/f77e9a4c/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:05:13 -0600 From: David Graham Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Bly To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Message-ID: <5A2A55EB-46A7-4711-8E0F-1930ADCFFF72 at ripon.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Helen Ruggieri wrote: > I'll second Writing the Australian Crawl and add in (why do people > dislike him these days) > Robert Bly's News of the Universe. ============ Oh, people have *always* disliked Robert Bly! Probably goes back to the 1950s, and his journal of that name, in which he fairly mercilessly skewered many famous poets. And then his long-time habit of doing readings for creative writing programs while ridiculing such programs incessantly. (And failing to mention his own M.F.A.) But there are many other reasons, including some fairly silly pronouncements over the years, some dubious liberties taken in translations, and (of course) his relatively recent status as best- selling author. But I've always enjoyed Bly greatly, and think that his poetry is getting even better as he ages. I've taught *News of the Universe* a number of times; while his literary and social history sometimes needs to be taken with a grain of salt, his taste in poetry is really fine. Whatever you think of his own poetry, I'd say he's a brilliant editor. His editions of William Stafford and David Ignatow, for instance--they each do a masterful job of separating wheat from chaff. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20061104/e8f783f4/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:41:37 EST From: JforJames at aol.com Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Bly To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In a message dated 11/4/2006 4:03:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: I've taught *News of the Universe* a number of times; while his literary and social history sometimes needs to be taken with a grain of salt, his taste in poetry is really fine Yes, I think Bly, with books like this and others, was largely responsible for increasing interest in poetry in translation. However liberal his own translations were, I think many international (panhistoriic) poets were first introduced to US readers by Bly. And those translations/poets changed contemporary US poetry during the 70s and 80s especially. His readings were often more like one-man shows (bazooki in hand) and I found him a captivating character. I learned a lot from him...not something I can say about many other poets who I have heard read. Another book/essay that I htink has held up well is "Leaping Poetry." Probably one of the better explanation of the ineffable powers of lyric poetry that I've seen. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20061104/b63af6a1/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:12:14 -0500 From: "Helen Ruggieri" Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Bly To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Message-ID: <005801c700ec$c7711fb0$750a9942 at Helen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" He also had an essay called A Wrong Turning in American Poetry which was a really interesting take on mid-century poetry. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Why Bly In a message dated 11/4/2006 4:03:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: I've taught *News of the Universe* a number of times; while his literary and social history sometimes needs to be taken with a grain of salt, his taste in poetry is really fine Yes, I think Bly, with books like this and others, was largely responsible for increasing interest in poetry in translation. However liberal his own translations were, I think many international (panhistoriic) poets were first introduced to US readers by Bly. And those translations/poets changed contemporary US poetry during the 70s and 80s especially. His readings were often more like one-man shows (bazooki in hand) and I found him a captivating character. I learned a lot from him...not something I can say about many other poets who I have heard read. Another book/essay that I htink has held up well is "Leaping Poetry." Probably one of the better explanation of the ineffable powers of lyric poetry that I've seen. Finnegan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20061105/fcb1fc6f/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:50:52 -0600 From: David Graham Subject: [New-Poetry] Why Bly To: "NewPoetry & Views" Message-ID: <97B73D8D-09E6-4BA4-9BE4-6CB86A47A46B at ripon.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Scandal The day the minister ran off with the choir director The bindlestiffs felt some gaiety in their arms. Spike-pitchers threw their bundles higher on the load And the County Assessor drove with a tiny smile. Actually the minister's wife felt relieved that morning, Though afraid too. She walked out by the slough, And admired the beaver's house, partly above Water, partly beneath. That seemed right. The minister felt dizzy as the two of them drove For hours: country music and the loose ribbon Mingled in his mind with the *Song of Songs*. They stopped at a small motel near Bismarck. For the threshers, the stubble was still dry, The oat dust itchy, the big belt needed grease, The loads pulled up to the machine. This story happens Over and over, and it's a good story. --Robert Bly. *Morning Poems*. HarperCollins, 1997. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From JforJames at aol.com Tue Nov 7 10:27:37 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:27:37 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Election Day Message-ID: <539.c7b16b3.3281ffe9@aol.com> Election Year Wandering the flea market, I ran across a box full of old campaign buttons marked $1 per, and without thinking about it I began to run my hand through them, these stolid white faces clattering, rising and falling as I threaded my fingers through half-remembered names framed by eagles, draped in red and white and blue, the toothy grins and tight-lipped smiles, all those straight-forward gazes into the shining future of America, but more and more I began to feel many slight pinpricks, so then I thought of them as little vampires still trying to get at our blood, or like tiny pushers trying to shoot us up with the dope of their false promises, and the more they stung me, the madder I got, and the deeper I stuck my hand into this hive of human folly and avarice, and the more I stirred them up, the more I imagined myself as some kind of sacred beekeeper who had lost his leather glove, yet was still trying to get at the lost honey of the dreams some of them must have started out with, their well-intentioned aspirations, a feeling that one could do some good in this world, before the back-patting, the self-righteousness and the green of dollar bills that jades so many of us in the end. And then I looked up and noticed the vendor behind the table was giving me his You-going-to-buy-something-buddy? look, so I lifted my numb hand out of the box of buttons and walked away, my jaw clenched, locked up, so that I couldn't speak or even spit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Tue Nov 7 11:38:22 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:38:22 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) Message-ID: <58d.615de0e.3282107e@aol.com> I've made an attempt to compile the various posts on this subject into one list...but I might have missed some titles or misfiled them under the categories I choose to organize them under.... BOOKS A POET SHOULD OWN?. Other than a ?blank book?? General Reference? OED (SOED or Compact Edition) OED2(3) on CD Dictionaries various: Chambers, Oxford Concise, Websters 3rd Slang dictionaries: Cassells (Johnathon Green) or Beale/Partridge. The Synonym Finder (JI Rodale's) Thesaurus Linguistics and Grammar Quirk and/or Greenbaum. Etymology (Skeat) History of the English Literature (series or single vol.) History of French Literature History of Western Philosophy Betrand Russell Treasury of the world's greatest letters Schuster Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase & Fable (3 editions, from 1894 through 1992) Who's What: Aaron's Beard to Zorn's Lemma Dorothy Rose Blumberg. Concise Oxford Dictionary of Quotations All Music Guide to Jazz, 4e. (no title given: Fonts, Typography) Poetry Reference: Handbooks, Anthologies (forms, metrics, etc.)? The Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetics (1993 edition, with Brogan's articles on metrics) (no title given) Hobsbaum Rhyming Dictionary An Exaltation of Forms A Poetry Handbook Mary Oliver Rules for the Dance Mary Oliver Poetic Rhythm Derek Attridge Poetics, Art, Philosophy, books of Literary Interest? Writing the Australian Crawl Wm. Stafford News of the Universe Robert Bly Leaping Poetry Robert Bly The Triggering Town Richard Hugo Letters on Cezanne Rainer Maria Rilke Letters to a Young Poet Rainer Maria Rilke Lives of the Poets Michael Schmidt 45 Contemporary Poems: Alberta Turner The Creative Process The Book of Sand Jorge Luis Borges Borges Selected Non-Fictions Jorge Luis Borges Penguin (2000) ISBN: 0140290117 Predilections: literary essays Marianne Moore Viking Press 1955 (no title given) Alfred Jarry Locus Solus Raymond Roussel: Exercises in Style Raymond Queneau The Necessary Angel: Wallace Stevens Essays on Reality and the Imagination A Life of Poetry Muriel Rukeyser In Search of Duende Federico Garcia Lorca (trans. by Di Giovanni and Maurer) Lyrical Philosophy Jan Zwicky Wisdom & Metaphor Jan Zwicky Gaspereau Press (Canada) Notebooks Cezanne The Gift: Lewis Hyde Imagination and the Erotic Life of Property Nineteen Ways of Looking at Wang Wei Eliot Weinberger and Octavio Paz, editors Moyer Bell Ltd. (1987) (no title given) Browning (no title given) Propertius (no title given) Catullus Like a Writer Francine Prose Philosophical Investigations Ludwig Wittgenstein Against Method Paul Feyerabend Synthesis of Form Christopher Alexander Almanac of the Dead Silko Sacred Hoop Gunn Allen Journal of Albion Moonlight Kenneth Patchen John Henry Days Colson Whitehead The Intuitionist Colson Whitehead The RSVP Effect Halprin VAS Tomasula House made of Dawn Momaday The Golden Dawn Israel Regardie Steps to an Ecology of Mind Bateson Poetics of Space Gaston Bachelard >From feathers to iron John Clarke ABC of Reading Ezra Pound Guide to Kulchur Ezra Pound Literary Essays Ezra Pound On Longing (or any subsequent) Susan Stewart (no title given) Gramisci Any real book (not journal of...) Harlan Hubbard Francis Bacon van Alphen (no title given) Annie Finch Linguistics Saussure (Performance/theatre) Brecht Stanislavski On Theatre Peter Brooks Practical Criticism I.A. Richards How Can A Poem Mean John Ciardi (collections of criticism) T. S. Eliot (essays, no titles given) Kenneth Burke Of Manywhere-at-Once Bob Grumman The Three Perfections: Michael Sullivan Chinese Painting, Poetry, and Calligraphy Publisher: George Braziller; Revised edition (October 1999) Multum in Parvo Carl Zigrosser an essay in poetic imagination National Geographic (odd issues, chosen at random) Poetry & the Age Randall Jarrell (essays, no title given) Donald Justice Worlds into Words: Diane Middlebrook Understanding Modern Poems Poetry in our Time Babbette Deutch (no title given) Samuel Taylor Coleridge (no title given) Sir Philip Sidney (Journals, edited by Wagoner) Theodore Roethke Leonardo Ralph Steadman Angela?s Ashes Frank McCourt (no titles given) Italo Calvino (collected writings) Eugenio Montale Various & Sundry? The Idiot Dostojevsky Pornography Witold Gombrowicz Stalingrad Beevor Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Cabeza de Vaca Haniel Long Science Fiction - Bradbury Vonnegut Ballard EE "Doc" Smith, Heinlen Cordwainer Wind In The Willows (Picture Books) Rackham Duriac Kay Nielsen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at louisiana.edu Tue Nov 7 11:59:28 2006 From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:59:28 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) In-Reply-To: <58d.615de0e.3282107e@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c7028e$1c34ea70$f4954682@win.louisiana.edu> Perhaps add: Lighter, J. E. _Random House Dictionary of American Slang_. 3 vols. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of JforJames at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:38 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) I've made an attempt to compile the various posts on this subject into one list...but I might have missed some titles or misfiled them under the categories I choose to organize them under.... BOOKS A POET SHOULD OWN.. Other than a 'blank book'. General Reference- OED (SOED or Compact Edition) OED2(3) on CD Dictionaries various: Chambers, Oxford Concise, Websters 3rd Slang dictionaries: Cassells (Johnathon Green) or Beale/Partridge. The Synonym Finder (JI Rodale's) Thesaurus Linguistics and Grammar Quirk and/or Greenbaum. Etymology (Skeat) History of the English Literature (series or single vol.) History of French Literature History of Western Philosophy Betrand Russell Treasury of the world's greatest letters Schuster Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase & Fable (3 editions, from 1894 through 1992) Who's What: Aaron's Beard to Zorn's Lemma Dorothy Rose Blumberg. Concise Oxford Dictionary of Quotations All Music Guide to Jazz, 4e. (no title given: Fonts, Typography) Poetry Reference: Handbooks, Anthologies (forms, metrics, etc.)- The Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetics (1993 edition, with Brogan's articles on metrics) (no title given) Hobsbaum Rhyming Dictionary An Exaltation of Forms A Poetry Handbook Mary Oliver Rules for the Dance Mary Oliver Poetic Rhythm Derek Attridge Poetics, Art, Philosophy, books of Literary Interest- Writing the Australian Crawl Wm. Stafford News of the Universe Robert Bly Leaping Poetry Robert Bly The Triggering Town Richard Hugo Letters on Cezanne Rainer Maria Rilke Letters to a Young Poet Rainer Maria Rilke Lives of the Poets Michael Schmidt 45 Contemporary Poems: Alberta Turner The Creative Process The Book of Sand Jorge Luis Borges Borges Selected Non-Fictions Jorge Luis Borges Penguin (2000) ISBN: 0140290117 Predilections: literary essays Marianne Moore Viking Press 1955 (no title given) Alfred Jarry Locus Solus Raymond Roussel: Exercises in Style Raymond Queneau The Necessary Angel: Wallace Stevens Essays on Reality and the Imagination A Life of Poetry Muriel Rukeyser In Search of Duende Federico Garcia Lorca (trans. by Di Giovanni and Maurer) Lyrical Philosophy Jan Zwicky Wisdom & Metaphor Jan Zwicky Gaspereau Press (Canada) Notebooks Cezanne The Gift: Lewis Hyde Imagination and the Erotic Life of Property Nineteen Ways of Looking at Wang Wei Eliot Weinberger and Octavio Paz, editors Moyer Bell Ltd. (1987) (no title given) Browning (no title given) Propertius (no title given) Catullus Like a Writer Francine Prose Philosophical Investigations Ludwig Wittgenstein Against Method Paul Feyerabend Synthesis of Form Christopher Alexander Almanac of the Dead Silko Sacred Hoop Gunn Allen Journal of Albion Moonlight Kenneth Patchen John Henry Days Colson Whitehead The Intuitionist Colson Whitehead The RSVP Effect Halprin VAS Tomasula House made of Dawn Momaday The Golden Dawn Israel Regardie Steps to an Ecology of Mind Bateson Poetics of Space Gaston Bachelard >From feathers to iron John Clarke ABC of Reading Ezra Pound Guide to Kulchur Ezra Pound Literary Essays Ezra Pound On Longing (or any subsequent) Susan Stewart (no title given) Gramisci Any real book (not journal of...) Harlan Hubbard Francis Bacon van Alphen (no title given) Annie Finch Linguistics Saussure (Performance/theatre) Brecht Stanislavski On Theatre Peter Brooks Practical Criticism I.A. Richards How Can A Poem Mean John Ciardi (collections of criticism) T. S. Eliot (essays, no titles given) Kenneth Burke Of Manywhere-at-Once Bob Grumman The Three Perfections: Michael Sullivan Chinese Painting, Poetry, and Calligraphy Publisher: George Braziller; Revised edition (October 1999) Multum in Parvo Carl Zigrosser an essay in poetic imagination National Geographic (odd issues, chosen at random) Poetry & the Age Randall Jarrell (essays, no title given) Donald Justice Worlds into Words: Diane Middlebrook Understanding Modern Poems Poetry in our Time Babbette Deutch (no title given) Samuel Taylor Coleridge (no title given) Sir Philip Sidney (Journals, edited by Wagoner) Theodore Roethke Leonardo Ralph Steadman Angela's Ashes Frank McCourt (no titles given) Italo Calvino (collected writings) Eugenio Montale Various & Sundry- The Idiot Dostojevsky Pornography Witold Gombrowicz Stalingrad Beevor Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Cabeza de Vaca Haniel Long Science Fiction - Bradbury Vonnegut Ballard EE "Doc" Smith, Heinlen Cordwainer Wind In The Willows (Picture Books) Rackham Duriac Kay Nielsen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Tue Nov 7 11:45:26 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:45:26 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) References: <58d.615de0e.3282107e@aol.com> Message-ID: <002101c7028c$21f26840$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Biographia Literaria Samuel Taylor Coleridge In Defence of Poesy Sir Philip Sidney ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) I've made an attempt to compile the various posts on this subject into one list...but I might have missed some titles or misfiled them under the categories I choose to organize them under.... BOOKS A POET SHOULD OWN?. Other than a ?blank book?? General Reference? OED (SOED or Compact Edition) OED2(3) on CD Dictionaries various: Chambers, Oxford Concise, Websters 3rd Slang dictionaries: Cassells (Johnathon Green) or Beale/Partridge. The Synonym Finder (JI Rodale's) Thesaurus Linguistics and Grammar Quirk and/or Greenbaum. Etymology (Skeat) History of the English Literature (series or single vol.) History of French Literature History of Western Philosophy Betrand Russell Treasury of the world's greatest letters Schuster Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase & Fable (3 editions, from 1894 through 1992) Who's What: Aaron's Beard to Zorn's Lemma Dorothy Rose Blumberg. Concise Oxford Dictionary of Quotations All Music Guide to Jazz, 4e. (no title given: Fonts, Typography) Poetry Reference: Handbooks, Anthologies (forms, metrics, etc.)? The Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetics (1993 edition, with Brogan's articles on metrics) (no title given) Hobsbaum Rhyming Dictionary An Exaltation of Forms A Poetry Handbook Mary Oliver Rules for the Dance Mary Oliver Poetic Rhythm Derek Attridge Poetics, Art, Philosophy, books of Literary Interest? Writing the Australian Crawl Wm. Stafford News of the Universe Robert Bly Leaping Poetry Robert Bly The Triggering Town Richard Hugo Letters on Cezanne Rainer Maria Rilke Letters to a Young Poet Rainer Maria Rilke Lives of the Poets Michael Schmidt 45 Contemporary Poems: Alberta Turner The Creative Process The Book of Sand Jorge Luis Borges Borges Selected Non-Fictions Jorge Luis Borges Penguin (2000) ISBN: 0140290117 Predilections: literary essays Marianne Moore Viking Press 1955 (no title given) Alfred Jarry Locus Solus Raymond Roussel: Exercises in Style Raymond Queneau The Necessary Angel: Wallace Stevens Essays on Reality and the Imagination A Life of Poetry Muriel Rukeyser In Search of Duende Federico Garcia Lorca (trans. by Di Giovanni and Maurer) Lyrical Philosophy Jan Zwicky Wisdom & Metaphor Jan Zwicky Gaspereau Press (Canada) Notebooks Cezanne The Gift: Lewis Hyde Imagination and the Erotic Life of Property Nineteen Ways of Looking at Wang Wei Eliot Weinberger and Octavio Paz, editors Moyer Bell Ltd. (1987) (no title given) Browning (no title given) Propertius (no title given) Catullus Like a Writer Francine Prose Philosophical Investigations Ludwig Wittgenstein Against Method Paul Feyerabend Synthesis of Form Christopher Alexander Almanac of the Dead Silko Sacred Hoop Gunn Allen Journal of Albion Moonlight Kenneth Patchen John Henry Days Colson Whitehead The Intuitionist Colson Whitehead The RSVP Effect Halprin VAS Tomasula House made of Dawn Momaday The Golden Dawn Israel Regardie Steps to an Ecology of Mind Bateson Poetics of Space Gaston Bachelard From feathers to iron John Clarke ABC of Reading Ezra Pound Guide to Kulchur Ezra Pound Literary Essays Ezra Pound On Longing (or any subsequent) Susan Stewart (no title given) Gramisci Any real book (not journal of...) Harlan Hubbard Francis Bacon van Alphen (no title given) Annie Finch Linguistics Saussure (Performance/theatre) Brecht Stanislavski On Theatre Peter Brooks Practical Criticism I.A. Richards How Can A Poem Mean John Ciardi (collections of criticism) T. S. Eliot (essays, no titles given) Kenneth Burke Of Manywhere-at-Once Bob Grumman The Three Perfections: Michael Sullivan Chinese Painting, Poetry, and Calligraphy Publisher: George Braziller; Revised edition (October 1999) Multum in Parvo Carl Zigrosser an essay in poetic imagination National Geographic (odd issues, chosen at random) Poetry & the Age Randall Jarrell (essays, no title given) Donald Justice Worlds into Words: Diane Middlebrook Understanding Modern Poems Poetry in our Time Babbette Deutch (no title given) Samuel Taylor Coleridge (no title given) Sir Philip Sidney (Journals, edited by Wagoner) Theodore Roethke Leonardo Ralph Steadman Angela?s Ashes Frank McCourt (no titles given) Italo Calvino (collected writings) Eugenio Montale Various & Sundry? The Idiot Dostojevsky Pornography Witold Gombrowicz Stalingrad Beevor Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Cabeza de Vaca Haniel Long Science Fiction - Bradbury Vonnegut Ballard EE "Doc" Smith, Heinlen Cordwainer Wind In The Willows (Picture Books) Rackham Duriac Kay Nielsen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Tue Nov 7 11:53:30 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:53:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) References: <58d.615de0e.3282107e@aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01c7028d$423ce5c0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> I'd include any book that chronicles the early drafts and revisions of the work of a poet one admires. I have one of Yeats somewhere on my bookshelves, but can't find it. Anyone know the name? The 25th anniversary edition of Howl has facsimile pages of the ms. with revisions. This isn't a book, but http://englishhistory.net/keats/manuscripts.html has facsimiles of Keats' manuscripts, with revisions. I'd also toss in Walter Jackson Bate's bio of Keats, which has some good stuff on his work processes. Keats' letters, of course. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) I've made an attempt to compile the various posts on this subject into one list...but I might have missed some titles or misfiled them under the categories I choose to organize them under.... BOOKS A POET SHOULD OWN?. Other than a ?blank book?? General Reference? OED (SOED or Compact Edition) OED2(3) on CD Dictionaries various: Chambers, Oxford Concise, Websters 3rd Slang dictionaries: Cassells (Johnathon Green) or Beale/Partridge. The Synonym Finder (JI Rodale's) Thesaurus Linguistics and Grammar Quirk and/or Greenbaum. Etymology (Skeat) History of the English Literature (series or single vol.) History of French Literature History of Western Philosophy Betrand Russell Treasury of the world's greatest letters Schuster Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase & Fable (3 editions, from 1894 through 1992) Who's What: Aaron's Beard to Zorn's Lemma Dorothy Rose Blumberg. Concise Oxford Dictionary of Quotations All Music Guide to Jazz, 4e. (no title given: Fonts, Typography) Poetry Reference: Handbooks, Anthologies (forms, metrics, etc.)? The Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetics (1993 edition, with Brogan's articles on metrics) (no title given) Hobsbaum Rhyming Dictionary An Exaltation of Forms A Poetry Handbook Mary Oliver Rules for the Dance Mary Oliver Poetic Rhythm Derek Attridge Poetics, Art, Philosophy, books of Literary Interest? Writing the Australian Crawl Wm. Stafford News of the Universe Robert Bly Leaping Poetry Robert Bly The Triggering Town Richard Hugo Letters on Cezanne Rainer Maria Rilke Letters to a Young Poet Rainer Maria Rilke Lives of the Poets Michael Schmidt 45 Contemporary Poems: Alberta Turner The Creative Process The Book of Sand Jorge Luis Borges Borges Selected Non-Fictions Jorge Luis Borges Penguin (2000) ISBN: 0140290117 Predilections: literary essays Marianne Moore Viking Press 1955 (no title given) Alfred Jarry Locus Solus Raymond Roussel: Exercises in Style Raymond Queneau The Necessary Angel: Wallace Stevens Essays on Reality and the Imagination A Life of Poetry Muriel Rukeyser In Search of Duende Federico Garcia Lorca (trans. by Di Giovanni and Maurer) Lyrical Philosophy Jan Zwicky Wisdom & Metaphor Jan Zwicky Gaspereau Press (Canada) Notebooks Cezanne The Gift: Lewis Hyde Imagination and the Erotic Life of Property Nineteen Ways of Looking at Wang Wei Eliot Weinberger and Octavio Paz, editors Moyer Bell Ltd. (1987) (no title given) Browning (no title given) Propertius (no title given) Catullus Like a Writer Francine Prose Philosophical Investigations Ludwig Wittgenstein Against Method Paul Feyerabend Synthesis of Form Christopher Alexander Almanac of the Dead Silko Sacred Hoop Gunn Allen Journal of Albion Moonlight Kenneth Patchen John Henry Days Colson Whitehead The Intuitionist Colson Whitehead The RSVP Effect Halprin VAS Tomasula House made of Dawn Momaday The Golden Dawn Israel Regardie Steps to an Ecology of Mind Bateson Poetics of Space Gaston Bachelard From feathers to iron John Clarke ABC of Reading Ezra Pound Guide to Kulchur Ezra Pound Literary Essays Ezra Pound On Longing (or any subsequent) Susan Stewart (no title given) Gramisci Any real book (not journal of...) Harlan Hubbard Francis Bacon van Alphen (no title given) Annie Finch Linguistics Saussure (Performance/theatre) Brecht Stanislavski On Theatre Peter Brooks Practical Criticism I.A. Richards How Can A Poem Mean John Ciardi (collections of criticism) T. S. Eliot (essays, no titles given) Kenneth Burke Of Manywhere-at-Once Bob Grumman The Three Perfections: Michael Sullivan Chinese Painting, Poetry, and Calligraphy Publisher: George Braziller; Revised edition (October 1999) Multum in Parvo Carl Zigrosser an essay in poetic imagination National Geographic (odd issues, chosen at random) Poetry & the Age Randall Jarrell (essays, no title given) Donald Justice Worlds into Words: Diane Middlebrook Understanding Modern Poems Poetry in our Time Babbette Deutch (no title given) Samuel Taylor Coleridge (no title given) Sir Philip Sidney (Journals, edited by Wagoner) Theodore Roethke Leonardo Ralph Steadman Angela?s Ashes Frank McCourt (no titles given) Italo Calvino (collected writings) Eugenio Montale Various & Sundry? The Idiot Dostojevsky Pornography Witold Gombrowicz Stalingrad Beevor Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Cabeza de Vaca Haniel Long Science Fiction - Bradbury Vonnegut Ballard EE "Doc" Smith, Heinlen Cordwainer Wind In The Willows (Picture Books) Rackham Duriac Kay Nielsen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Tue Nov 7 12:49:11 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:49:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] World ending? American winning Prix Goncourt? In-Reply-To: <002b01c7028d$423ce5c0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> References: <58d.615de0e.3282107e@aol.com> <002b01c7028d$423ce5c0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: November 7, 2006 American Writer Is Awarded Goncourt By ALAN RIDING PARIS, Nov. 6 ? Jonathan Littell, a New York-born writer whose French- language novel about a murderous and degenerate SS officer has been the sensation of the French publishing season, on Monday became the first American to win France?s most prestigious literary award, the Prix Goncourt. The 903-page book, ?Les Bienveillantes,? was the strong favorite for the century-old prize that goes to novels written in French. Previous winners include Marcel Proust, Andr? Malraux, Simone de Beauvoir and Marguerite Duras; non-French citizens including Tahar Ben Jelloun, Amin Maalouf and Andre? Makine have also won the Goncourt. ?Les Bienveillantes,? or ?The Kindly Ones,? has been acquired by HarperCollins for publication in the United States and has already been sold for translation into German, Spanish, Hebrew and several other languages. Last month the book, which has so far sold some 250,000 copies in France, won the Acad?mie Fran?aise?s annual fiction prize. Mr. Littell, 39, who has tried to escape the circus atmosphere surrounding his sudden celebrity, even refusing to appear on television to promote his novel, recently moved to Barcelona and did not come to Paris for today?s announcement. ?He hopes his absence will not be misunderstood or, even less, be interpreted as disdain for the jury,? his French publisher, Antoine Gallimard, told reporters here. ?He has no need for publicity, both out of modesty and because he believes that literature is not part of show business, that what?s important is the book.? Still, part of the novelty of ?Les Bienveillantes? is that it was written in French by an American, although one who grew up in France after his father, Robert Littell, a journalist-turned-thriller writer, moved the family here in the 1970s. Later, after attending college in the United States, at Yale, Mr. Littell spent much of the 1990s working for the French humanitarian group Action Against Hunger, in conflict zones including Bosnia, Afghanistan and Chechnya. In occasional interviews with French newspapers, he has explained that the idea for the project first came to him in 1989 after he saw ?Shoah,? Claude Lanzmann?s landmark documentary about the Holocaust. But it was only in 2002 that he began research for the book, whose first draft he wrote in 112 days. Mr. Littell eventually gave the manuscript to his father?s agent, Andrew Nurnberg, who offered it to four French publishers under the pseudonym of Jean Petit. ?ditions Gallimard bought it for an advance of $38,000 (30,000 euros) and, this summer, printed 12,000 copies. Almost immediately French critics enthusiastically responded, with one even comparing it to ?War and Peace? and other epic novels. That said, ?Les Bienveillantes? is an improbable best seller, not only because it comprises 903 pages of small print, but also because, apart from a long-forgotten science fiction book, ?Bad Voltage: A Fantasy in 4/4,? published in the 1980s, this is Mr. Littell?s first attempt at fiction. Written in the first person, it is the memoir of Maximilien Aue, a well-educated former SS officer who has managed to escape punishment after the war and reinvent himself as a lace manufacturer in northern France. It is not a confession, though, because Aue sees no reason to apologize. Rather, it is a matter-of-fact description of his decadence ? homosexual sadomasochism and incest with his sister ? and of his murderous role in the Nazi nightmare. ?Brother humans, let me tell you how things happened,? Aue begins, soon adding: ?If I have finally decided to write, it is no doubt to pass the time and also, possibly, to clarify one or two obscure points, perhaps for you and for myself. Moreover, I think it will do me good.? Born of a German father and a French mother, Aue notes, to explain his fluent French, that he attended secondary school and college in France. ?Like most people, I did not ask to become an assassin,? he writes. ?If I had had my way, as I said, I would have gone into literature.? The war takes him to Ukraine during the massacre of Jews at Babi Yar; to Stalingrad, where he is wounded; and to Auschwitz. Like Forrest Gump, he meets historical figures, in this case infamous Nazis, among them Adolf Eichmann, Albert Speer, Rudolf Hess and, in the book?s final pages, Hitler himself. All in all he personifies Hannah Arendt?s famous notion ? she applied it to Eichmann ? of the ?banality of evil.? Unsurprisingly, ?Les Bienveillantes? has been debated here as much for its historical accuracy as for its literary qualities, with Mr. Lanzmann lamenting that Mr. Littell ?is fascinated by horror and the d?cor of death,? and other critics complaining that the novel is weighed down by documentation. But a more typical view, like this one from the weekly Le Point, is that the book ?exploded onto the dreary plain of the literary autumn like a meteor.? Every year what they call the ?literary autumn? ? or ?la rentr?e litt?raire? ? spawns a veritable avalanche of fiction, with no fewer than 475 new French novels and another 207 in translation published this season. In the summer French publishers choose which novels they will promote for various literary awards guaranteed to boost sales. No less a ritual, though, is a heated debate about the maneuvering by French publishers that precedes these awards. Critics complain that, unlike those who select most American and British literary prizes, the same jurors for the French prizes sit in judgment for years on end, and that most are themselves writers closely aligned to leading publishers like Gallimard, Grasset and Le Seuil. This year the credibility of the prizes was freshly battered by the timely publication of two books of journals. Jacques Brenner, a former senior editor at Grasset who died in 2001, described how publishers agreed to support one another?s books on juries. In one entry in 1985, he writes that, to thank Alain Robbe-Grillet for helping Bernard-Henri L?vy win the M?dicis prize the previous year, Grasset ?will publish a bad erotic novel? by Robbe-Grillet?s wife. More topically, a diary published last month by Madeleine Chapsal, a longtime juror for the Prix Femina, included a bitter observation that last year?s verdict was determined before the jury even met. This prompted the Femina jury to expel Ms. Chapsal; another juror, R?gine Deforges, then resigned in solidarity. Still, this year?s Femina prize, awarded to the Canadian-born writer Nancy Huston for her new novel, ?Lignes de Faille,? or ?Fault Lines,? was considered well deserved. And with ?Les Bienveillantes? winning 7 of 10 votes in the Goncourt jury, no one has suggested that this result was fixed. "I'm not afraid of dying. I just don't want to be there when it happens." --Woody Allen Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Nov 7 13:03:17 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:03:17 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Local politics Message-ID: LOCAL ELECTIONS, INDIANA Since last month these smiling sheriffs and straight-faced coroners postering our yards. The one with glasses. The one without. At night their eyes glow under street lamps. Tomorrow all the bars will close so the drunk can't vote twice. When it rains, the faces run and blur, and when a wind picks-up, a few tear away, lifting into the magnolia trees, leaving their frames bare: a row of squat crosses lining the street. --Brent Goodman ******************************* ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Nov 7 13:06:20 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:06:20 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) In-Reply-To: <002b01c7028d$423ce5c0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: I've got the Yeats book, too, which was indeed eye-opening. It's titled Yeats at Work. From Ecco Press, edited by Curtis Bradford. Don't know if it's still in print. The heartening thing, for me when I first encountered it, was the fact that WBY's drafts were awful. He just kept hammering away at them until they became great poetry. On 11/7/06 10:53 AM, "TheOldMole" wrote: > I'd include any book that chronicles the early drafts and revisions of the > work of a poet one admires. I have one of Yeats somewhere on my bookshelves, > but can't find it. Anyone know the name? The 25th anniversary edition of Howl > has facsimile pages of the ms. with revisions. > > This isn't a book, but http://englishhistory.net/keats/manuscripts.html has > facsimiles of Keats' manuscripts, with revisions. I'd also toss in Walter > Jackson Bate's bio of Keats, which has some good stuff on his work processes. > Keats' letters, of course. >> ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Tue Nov 7 15:11:07 2006 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:11:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] RSF lIsts 13 "enemies of the internet" / go vote Message-ID: <200611072011.kA7KB7qs021269@mail26.atl.registeredsite.com> e? Reporters Without Borders lists 13 "enemies of the Internet" The campaigning group Reporters Without Borders (RSF) on Monday listed 13 countries it labelled as "enemies of the Internet" ahead of a 24 hour campaign in favour of free access to the web. The 13 countries are: Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Myanmar, China, North Korea, CUBA, Egypt, Iran, Uzbekistan, Syria, Tunisia, Turkmenistan and Vietnam. Three countries were removed from RSF's 2005 list -- Libya, the Maldives and Nepal. However the inclusion of Egypt was because "President Hosni Mubarak is displaying an authoritarianism towards the Internet that is particularly worrying," RSF said -- noting the recent imprisonment of three pro-democracy bloggers. RSF is asking the public to register on its Internet site in "defense of on-line free expression and the fate of bloggers in repressive countries." Live free or die. Go vote. Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino http://eratio.blogspot.com/ e? From tad at opus40.org Tue Nov 7 16:04:03 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:04:03 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) References: Message-ID: <00c101c702b0$41b81070$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands)That's the one. So if I can't find my copy, at least I know what to look for on Bookfinder. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) I've got the Yeats book, too, which was indeed eye-opening. It's titled Yeats at Work. From Ecco Press, edited by Curtis Bradford. Don't know if it's still in print. The heartening thing, for me when I first encountered it, was the fact that WBY's drafts were awful. He just kept hammering away at them until they became great poetry. On 11/7/06 10:53 AM, "TheOldMole" wrote: I'd include any book that chronicles the early drafts and revisions of the work of a poet one admires. I have one of Yeats somewhere on my bookshelves, but can't find it. Anyone know the name? The 25th anniversary edition of Howl has facsimile pages of the ms. with revisions. This isn't a book, but http://englishhistory.net/keats/manuscripts.html has facsimiles of Keats' manuscripts, with revisions. I'd also toss in Walter Jackson Bate's bio of Keats, which has some good stuff on his work processes. Keats' letters, of course. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Nov 7 16:37:12 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:37:12 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) References: <58d.615de0e.3282107e@aol.com> <002101c7028c$21f26840$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <006001c702b4$e38b6240$c1a93852@ANNY> Add Leonardo's own Notes, fantastic, take your time to read them all... ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) Biographia Literaria Samuel Taylor Coleridge In Defence of Poesy Sir Philip Sidney ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) I've made an attempt to compile the various posts on this subject into one list...but I might have missed some titles or misfiled them under the categories I choose to organize them under.... BOOKS A POET SHOULD OWN?. Other than a ?blank book?? General Reference? OED (SOED or Compact Edition) OED2(3) on CD Dictionaries various: Chambers, Oxford Concise, Websters 3rd Slang dictionaries: Cassells (Johnathon Green) or Beale/Partridge. The Synonym Finder (JI Rodale's) Thesaurus Linguistics and Grammar Quirk and/or Greenbaum. Etymology (Skeat) History of the English Literature (series or single vol.) History of French Literature History of Western Philosophy Betrand Russell Treasury of the world's greatest letters Schuster Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase & Fable (3 editions, from 1894 through 1992) Who's What: Aaron's Beard to Zorn's Lemma Dorothy Rose Blumberg. Concise Oxford Dictionary of Quotations All Music Guide to Jazz, 4e. (no title given: Fonts, Typography) Poetry Reference: Handbooks, Anthologies (forms, metrics, etc.)? The Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetics (1993 edition, with Brogan's articles on metrics) (no title given) Hobsbaum Rhyming Dictionary An Exaltation of Forms A Poetry Handbook Mary Oliver Rules for the Dance Mary Oliver Poetic Rhythm Derek Attridge Poetics, Art, Philosophy, books of Literary Interest? Writing the Australian Crawl Wm. Stafford News of the Universe Robert Bly Leaping Poetry Robert Bly The Triggering Town Richard Hugo Letters on Cezanne Rainer Maria Rilke Letters to a Young Poet Rainer Maria Rilke Lives of the Poets Michael Schmidt 45 Contemporary Poems: Alberta Turner The Creative Process The Book of Sand Jorge Luis Borges Borges Selected Non-Fictions Jorge Luis Borges Penguin (2000) ISBN: 0140290117 Predilections: literary essays Marianne Moore Viking Press 1955 (no title given) Alfred Jarry Locus Solus Raymond Roussel: Exercises in Style Raymond Queneau The Necessary Angel: Wallace Stevens Essays on Reality and the Imagination A Life of Poetry Muriel Rukeyser In Search of Duende Federico Garcia Lorca (trans. by Di Giovanni and Maurer) Lyrical Philosophy Jan Zwicky Wisdom & Metaphor Jan Zwicky Gaspereau Press (Canada) Notebooks Cezanne The Gift: Lewis Hyde Imagination and the Erotic Life of Property Nineteen Ways of Looking at Wang Wei Eliot Weinberger and Octavio Paz, editors Moyer Bell Ltd. (1987) (no title given) Browning (no title given) Propertius (no title given) Catullus Like a Writer Francine Prose Philosophical Investigations Ludwig Wittgenstein Against Method Paul Feyerabend Synthesis of Form Christopher Alexander Almanac of the Dead Silko Sacred Hoop Gunn Allen Journal of Albion Moonlight Kenneth Patchen John Henry Days Colson Whitehead The Intuitionist Colson Whitehead The RSVP Effect Halprin VAS Tomasula House made of Dawn Momaday The Golden Dawn Israel Regardie Steps to an Ecology of Mind Bateson Poetics of Space Gaston Bachelard From feathers to iron John Clarke ABC of Reading Ezra Pound Guide to Kulchur Ezra Pound Literary Essays Ezra Pound On Longing (or any subsequent) Susan Stewart (no title given) Gramisci Any real book (not journal of...) Harlan Hubbard Francis Bacon van Alphen (no title given) Annie Finch Linguistics Saussure (Performance/theatre) Brecht Stanislavski On Theatre Peter Brooks Practical Criticism I.A. Richards How Can A Poem Mean John Ciardi (collections of criticism) T. S. Eliot (essays, no titles given) Kenneth Burke Of Manywhere-at-Once Bob Grumman The Three Perfections: Michael Sullivan Chinese Painting, Poetry, and Calligraphy Publisher: George Braziller; Revised edition (October 1999) Multum in Parvo Carl Zigrosser an essay in poetic imagination National Geographic (odd issues, chosen at random) Poetry & the Age Randall Jarrell (essays, no title given) Donald Justice Worlds into Words: Diane Middlebrook Understanding Modern Poems Poetry in our Time Babbette Deutch (no title given) Samuel Taylor Coleridge (no title given) Sir Philip Sidney (Journals, edited by Wagoner) Theodore Roethke Leonardo Ralph Steadman Angela?s Ashes Frank McCourt (no titles given) Italo Calvino (collected writings) Eugenio Montale Various & Sundry? The Idiot Dostojevsky Pornography Witold Gombrowicz Stalingrad Beevor Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Cabeza de Vaca Haniel Long Science Fiction - Bradbury Vonnegut Ballard EE "Doc" Smith, Heinlen Cordwainer Wind In The Willows (Picture Books) Rackham Duriac Kay Nielsen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Nov 7 16:40:57 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:40:57 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] RSF lIsts 13 "enemies of the internet" / go vote References: <200611072011.kA7KB7qs021269@mail26.atl.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <008901c702b5$691af920$c1a93852@ANNY> Hi Gregory, where did you find this info? thank you, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] RSF lIsts 13 "enemies of the internet" / go vote > e? > > Reporters Without Borders lists 13 "enemies of the Internet" > > The campaigning group Reporters Without Borders (RSF) on Monday listed 13 > countries it labelled as "enemies of the Internet" ahead of a 24 hour > campaign > in favour of free access to the web. The 13 countries are: Saudi Arabia, > Belarus, Myanmar, China, North Korea, CUBA, Egypt, Iran, Uzbekistan, > Syria, > Tunisia, Turkmenistan and Vietnam. Three countries were removed from > RSF's 2005 list -- Libya, the Maldives and Nepal. However the inclusion > of > Egypt was because "President Hosni Mubarak is displaying an > authoritarianism towards the Internet that is particularly worrying," RSF > said > -- noting the recent imprisonment of three pro-democracy bloggers. RSF is > asking the public to register on its Internet site in "defense of on-line > free > expression and the fate of bloggers in repressive countries." > > Live free or die. Go vote. > > Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino > > http://eratio.blogspot.com/ > > e? > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From elemenope at icubed.com Tue Nov 7 16:58:39 2006 From: elemenope at icubed.com (elemenope at icubed.com) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:58:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange In-Reply-To: <200611071643.kA7GhroQ010991@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200611071643.kA7GhroQ010991@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <14501.69.95.185.168.1162936719.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com> I remember when Bly and Wright appeared on the same stage at Sweetbriar College in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Bly in serape introduced Wright in white shirt black tie as the greatest living poet. Wright recalled the poem wherein he announces while musing on a lawn littered with whatnot that he because of poetry has wasted his life. RD From AlMaginnes at aol.com Tue Nov 7 17:10:38 2006 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:10:38 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) Message-ID: Lots of used copies of Yeats at Work on Amazon. I just ordered one for $1.06. In a message dated 11/7/2006 1:10:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: I've got the Yeats book, too, which was indeed eye-opening. It's titled Yeats at Work. From Ecco Press, edited by Curtis Bradford. Don't know if it's still in print. The heartening thing, for me when I first encountered it, was the fact that WBY's drafts were awful. He just kept hammering away at them until they became great poetry. On 11/7/06 10:53 AM, "TheOldMole" wrote: I'd include any book that chronicles the early drafts and revisions of the work of a poet one admires. I have one of Yeats somewhere on my bookshelves, but can't find it. Anyone know the name? The 25th anniversary edition of Howl has facsimile pages of the ms. with revisions. This isn't a book, but _http://englishhistory.net/keats/manuscripts.html_ (http://englishhistory.net/keats/manuscripts.html) has facsimiles of Keats' manuscripts, with revisions. I'd also toss in Walter Jackson Bate's bio of Keats, which has some good stuff on his work processes. Keats' letters, of course. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: _http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html_ (http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html) Poetry Library: _http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html_ (http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html) ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Nov 7 17:18:11 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:18:11 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) References: Message-ID: <00b201c702ba$9c697cc0$c1a93852@ANNY> not lots, only four.. and the next cheapest one is from almost 13 to over 70 dollars... :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: AlMaginnes at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) Lots of used copies of Yeats at Work on Amazon. I just ordered one for $1.06. In a message dated 11/7/2006 1:10:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: I've got the Yeats book, too, which was indeed eye-opening. It's titled Yeats at Work. From Ecco Press, edited by Curtis Bradford. Don't know if it's still in print. The heartening thing, for me when I first encountered it, was the fact that WBY's drafts were awful. He just kept hammering away at them until they became great poetry. On 11/7/06 10:53 AM, "TheOldMole" wrote: I'd include any book that chronicles the early drafts and revisions of the work of a poet one admires. I have one of Yeats somewhere on my bookshelves, but can't find it. Anyone know the name? The 25th anniversary edition of Howl has facsimile pages of the ms. with revisions. This isn't a book, but http://englishhistory.net/keats/manuscripts.html has facsimiles of Keats' manuscripts, with revisions. I'd also toss in Walter Jackson Bate's bio of Keats, which has some good stuff on his work processes. Keats' letters, of course. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And yes, there is plenty of jockeying and editorial politics around it: being involved regularly with French editorial milieux, I can attest to the terrible truth of the "it's who you know" principle (I can only imagine American publishing's pretty much the same game -- a comforting thought for little ol' rather unpublished me ;) ). But there are other reasons this is over-hyped. First, my wife (who's French) was reading le Monde yesterday online, and said the book is receiving pretty harsh criticism ("apparently, the book isn't very good" she reported to me while reading). Secondly, this is a typical fictional memoire hit, and they're almost always WAY overrated (and have been a la mode in France these days: always a bad sign). Anyone read Nemerovsky's _Suite francaise_ recently? Okay, it ain't trash: but it's nothing very special either, and from the standpoint of a dude with a commitment to formal innovation, it's a zero. Oh, and by the way, the "literary meteor" metaphor is an old one in France; Mallarme used it to describe Rimbaud. Probably more accurately. So, without having read the book, I judge, proclaim and decree in entirely peremptory fashion that none of you should bother reading this probably boring and overrated book. But then, maybe I'm wrong, right? Yours, Alex www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet From JforJames at aol.com Tue Nov 7 18:11:46 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:11:46 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/7/2006 5:21:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, anny.ballardini at tin.it writes: not lots, only four.. and the next cheapest one is from almost 13 to over 70 dollars... :-( _http://used.addall.com/_ (http://used.addall.com/) This site searches & aggregates a number of the used books sites and I see lots of used copies in a wide range of prices. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hruggier at localnet.com Wed Nov 8 09:38:39 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:38:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) References: <000501c7028e$1c34ea70$f4954682@win.louisiana.edu> Message-ID: <010a01c70343$9601a1d0$320b9942@Helen> Welll, as long as we're being comprehensive here - how about R.H. Blyth's HAIKU (four volumes). ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Fox To: 'NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views' Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: RE: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) Perhaps add: Lighter, J. E. _Random House Dictionary of American Slang_. 3 vols. -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of JforJames at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:38 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) I've made an attempt to compile the various posts on this subject into one list...but I might have missed some titles or misfiled them under the categories I choose to organize them under.... BOOKS A POET SHOULD OWN.. Other than a 'blank book'. General Reference- OED (SOED or Compact Edition) OED2(3) on CD Dictionaries various: Chambers, Oxford Concise, Websters 3rd Slang dictionaries: Cassells (Johnathon Green) or Beale/Partridge. The Synonym Finder (JI Rodale's) Thesaurus Linguistics and Grammar Quirk and/or Greenbaum. Etymology (Skeat) History of the English Literature (series or single vol.) History of French Literature History of Western Philosophy Betrand Russell Treasury of the world's greatest letters Schuster Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase & Fable (3 editions, from 1894 through 1992) Who's What: Aaron's Beard to Zorn's Lemma Dorothy Rose Blumberg. Concise Oxford Dictionary of Quotations All Music Guide to Jazz, 4e. (no title given: Fonts, Typography) Poetry Reference: Handbooks, Anthologies (forms, metrics, etc.)- The Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetics (1993 edition, with Brogan's articles on metrics) (no title given) Hobsbaum Rhyming Dictionary An Exaltation of Forms A Poetry Handbook Mary Oliver Rules for the Dance Mary Oliver Poetic Rhythm Derek Attridge Poetics, Art, Philosophy, books of Literary Interest- Writing the Australian Crawl Wm. Stafford News of the Universe Robert Bly Leaping Poetry Robert Bly The Triggering Town Richard Hugo Letters on Cezanne Rainer Maria Rilke Letters to a Young Poet Rainer Maria Rilke Lives of the Poets Michael Schmidt 45 Contemporary Poems: Alberta Turner The Creative Process The Book of Sand Jorge Luis Borges Borges Selected Non-Fictions Jorge Luis Borges Penguin (2000) ISBN: 0140290117 Predilections: literary essays Marianne Moore Viking Press 1955 (no title given) Alfred Jarry Locus Solus Raymond Roussel: Exercises in Style Raymond Queneau The Necessary Angel: Wallace Stevens Essays on Reality and the Imagination A Life of Poetry Muriel Rukeyser In Search of Duende Federico Garcia Lorca (trans. by Di Giovanni and Maurer) Lyrical Philosophy Jan Zwicky Wisdom & Metaphor Jan Zwicky Gaspereau Press (Canada) Notebooks Cezanne The Gift: Lewis Hyde Imagination and the Erotic Life of Property Nineteen Ways of Looking at Wang Wei Eliot Weinberger and Octavio Paz, editors Moyer Bell Ltd. (1987) (no title given) Browning (no title given) Propertius (no title given) Catullus Like a Writer Francine Prose Philosophical Investigations Ludwig Wittgenstein Against Method Paul Feyerabend Synthesis of Form Christopher Alexander Almanac of the Dead Silko Sacred Hoop Gunn Allen Journal of Albion Moonlight Kenneth Patchen John Henry Days Colson Whitehead The Intuitionist Colson Whitehead The RSVP Effect Halprin VAS Tomasula House made of Dawn Momaday The Golden Dawn Israel Regardie Steps to an Ecology of Mind Bateson Poetics of Space Gaston Bachelard From feathers to iron John Clarke ABC of Reading Ezra Pound Guide to Kulchur Ezra Pound Literary Essays Ezra Pound On Longing (or any subsequent) Susan Stewart (no title given) Gramisci Any real book (not journal of...) Harlan Hubbard Francis Bacon van Alphen (no title given) Annie Finch Linguistics Saussure (Performance/theatre) Brecht Stanislavski On Theatre Peter Brooks Practical Criticism I.A. Richards How Can A Poem Mean John Ciardi (collections of criticism) T. S. Eliot (essays, no titles given) Kenneth Burke Of Manywhere-at-Once Bob Grumman The Three Perfections: Michael Sullivan Chinese Painting, Poetry, and Calligraphy Publisher: George Braziller; Revised edition (October 1999) Multum in Parvo Carl Zigrosser an essay in poetic imagination National Geographic (odd issues, chosen at random) Poetry & the Age Randall Jarrell (essays, no title given) Donald Justice Worlds into Words: Diane Middlebrook Understanding Modern Poems Poetry in our Time Babbette Deutch (no title given) Samuel Taylor Coleridge (no title given) Sir Philip Sidney (Journals, edited by Wagoner) Theodore Roethke Leonardo Ralph Steadman Angela's Ashes Frank McCourt (no titles given) Italo Calvino (collected writings) Eugenio Montale Various & Sundry- The Idiot Dostojevsky Pornography Witold Gombrowicz Stalingrad Beevor Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Cabeza de Vaca Haniel Long Science Fiction - Bradbury Vonnegut Ballard EE "Doc" Smith, Heinlen Cordwainer Wind In The Willows (Picture Books) Rackham Duriac Kay Nielsen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. 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URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 12:31:18 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:31:18 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) In-Reply-To: <376.d8823ca.3283641a@aol.com> References: <376.d8823ca.3283641a@aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0611080931h3b641cbu7d7dfae63e6930ec@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone suggested *The Pound Era*? Jeff Newberry On 11/8/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > The Imagist Poem edited by William Pratt (Dutton) > > Very nice little text & mini-anthology...especially good for those new > to poetry and so often prone to abstract musings. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Don't take your guns to town, son. 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It's dirt cheap, too. ================ On 11/8/06 10:47 AM, "JforJames at aol.com" wrote: > The Imagist Poem edited by William Pratt (Dutton) > > Very nice little text & mini-anthology...especially good for those new > to poetry and so often prone to abstract musings. > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Nov 8 13:01:10 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:01:10 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Yeats query Message-ID: I have in my memory the conviction that Yeats wrote a # of poems as single sentences. Flipping through my edition, I'm not immediately finding them. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm putting together a little class handout on one-sentence poems, and would also be interested in any suggestions. (Yes, I've already got Frost's "Silken Tent" and Stevens's "The Snow Man.") ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From hruggier at localnet.com Wed Nov 8 14:04:51 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:04:51 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) References: Message-ID: <004801c70368$c5ad9cc0$b60c9942@Helen> Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands)Yes, Imagist Poetry and The Imagist Poem too all make a nice set of references ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:37 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) Yes, a good one. I also am fond of the Dover Thrift Edition of *Imagist Poetry*, edited by Bob Blaisdell, which contains many of the same poems. It's dirt cheap, too. ================ On 11/8/06 10:47 AM, "JforJames at aol.com" wrote: The Imagist Poem edited by William Pratt (Dutton) Very nice little text & mini-anthology...especially good for those new to poetry and so often prone to abstract musings. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. 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(Yes, I've already got Frost's > "Silken Tent" and Stevens's "The Snow Man.") > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- "Don't take your guns to town, son. Leave your guns at home." --Johnny Cash http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Newton's Opticks Descartes Discourse On Method From poesis at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 16:21:11 2006 From: poesis at gmail.com (Elizabeth Switaj) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:21:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/8/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > To write a political poem is to cast a ballot in ongoing, open-ended > referendum on the future of the world. > By those standards, every [good] poem is political. Elizabeth Kate Switaj http://qassandra.livejournal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Leave your guns at home." > --Johnny Cash > > http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From JforJames at aol.com Wed Nov 8 19:04:44 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:04:44 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) Message-ID: skip, the original rules were no poetry per se...books about poetry, art, the poetry life, etc. But since that book is veritable laboratory of poetic modernism....I guess we'll let it slide. Finnegan In a message dated 11/8/2006 3:41:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, skip at louisiana.edu writes: If we?re putting Auden in there, why not W. C. Williams?s _Spring and All_ (1923). In fact a great publishing venture would be to replicate the original published version. There is one by Frontier Press, but it?s a dull product. 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URL: From bmarcacci at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 19:18:07 2006 From: bmarcacci at gmail.com (Bob Marcacci) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:18:07 +0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: er, uh, did i misunderstand the Subject header of this thread? this could be the case... what's pure anthology? there are some introductory notes and such... pictures... i don't get it... -- Bob Marcacci There is no coming to consciousness without pain. - Carl Jung > From: > Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:07:44 EST > To: > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) > > > In a message dated 11/8/2006 6:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > bmarcacci at gmail.com writes: > > The Outlaw Bible of American Poetry > > -- > Bob Marcacci > http://marcacci.blogspot.com/ > > > > Bob, is there prose in there? It's been awhile since > I looked at it? If it's pure anthology, we should have a > new game: 'What are the essential anthologies a poet > should own?' > Finnegan > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From JforJames at aol.com Wed Nov 8 19:33:26 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:33:26 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) Message-ID: <4f7.7b0bc26.3283d156@aol.com> In a message dated 11/8/2006 7:25:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, bmarcacci at gmail.com writes: what's pure anthology? That means, to me, all poems The original rules of this game were no books of poems...but you're forgiven and thanks for bringing up a good book... I'm off to hear Anne Waldman tonite and I'm thinking she's probably in the Outlaw Bible. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Wed Nov 8 19:53:50 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:53:50 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Yeats query References: Message-ID: <005201c70399$85c72910$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> I assume you have The Red Wheelbarrow and i know a man. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Graham" To: "NewPoetry" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Yeats query >I have in my memory the conviction that Yeats wrote a # of poems as single > sentences. Flipping through my edition, I'm not immediately finding them. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > I'm putting together a little class handout on one-sentence poems, and > would > also be interested in any suggestions. (Yes, I've already got Frost's > "Silken Tent" and Stevens's "The Snow Man.") > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From tad at opus40.org Wed Nov 8 20:19:38 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:19:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) References: Message-ID: <00a501c7039d$2039b4b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> And there are a couple of books about Auden I really like -- The Auden generation: (literature and politics in England in the 1930's ) by Samuel Hynes, and The making of the Auden canon by Joseph Warren Beach. We're talking here about books that should be on your shelf because you're interested in what goes into making poetry, technically, historically, or through the personalities who have made it, and I think this is a good bookshelf to have, In general, I love this stuff. Oh, and I can't believe no one mentioned Empson's "Seven Types of Ambiguity." But while they're books anyone interested in poetry should have, I don't know that they're the list, or the only list, of books a poet should have. I guess it's no secret here that my most significant mentor, and a man I continue to think of as my touchstone, is Donald Finkel, and Finkel's ideas about what should be on a poet's shelf would be very different. He believed in "reading for writing," and that reading was different, whether it was books on the Shackleton expedition, cave exploring or communicating with primates. But it was never that narrow. Finkel's collaged materials, that made its way into his books, branched outward in odd but always right directions. James, are you keeping up this list? I hope so. The Donald Justice books I was thinking of are A Donald Justice Reader and Donald Justice in Conversation with Philip Hoy. I might as well put in a plug for The Greenwood Encyclopedia of American Poetry, because I was a contributor (I ended up writing more entroes than anyone), but also because I think it's a hell of a good job. And Burt Kimmelman's The Facts on File Companion to 20th-Century American Poetry, to which I made much more modest contributions. Are you keeping the list up to date, James? ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) Dyer's Hand by WH Auden Can't believe Auden didn't occur to me earlier...he always gets things right and he manages to say it so well. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To imagine otherwise is to be paranoid and silly. James, I don't wish to be unkind, but your statement is hyperbolically silly. Can you provide one example--i. e. any poem--that supports what you've said? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Nov 9 02:20:20 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:20:20 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) References: <00a501c7039d$2039b4b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <007c01c703cf$83d338c0$36aa3452@ANNY> I totally agree with Finkel and I would go so far as to say that it may be even better to read books that are not specifically literary. From: TheOldMole Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:19 AM And there are a couple of books about Auden I really like -- The Auden generation: (literature and politics in England in the 1930's ) by Samuel Hynes, and The making of the Auden canon by Joseph Warren Beach. We're talking here about books that should be on your shelf because you're interested in what goes into making poetry, technically, historically, or through the personalities who have made it, and I think this is a good bookshelf to have, In general, I love this stuff. Oh, and I can't believe no one mentioned Empson's "Seven Types of Ambiguity." But while they're books anyone interested in poetry should have, I don't know that they're the list, or the only list, of books a poet should have. I guess it's no secret here that my most significant mentor, and a man I continue to think of as my touchstone, is Donald Finkel, and Finkel's ideas about what should be on a poet's shelf would be very different. He believed in "reading for writing," and that reading was different, whether it was books on the Shackleton expedition, cave exploring or communicating with primates. But it was never that narrow. Finkel's collaged materials, that made its way into his books, branched outward in odd but always right directions. James, are you keeping up this list? I hope so. The Donald Justice books I was thinking of are A Donald Justice Reader and Donald Justice in Conversation with Philip Hoy. I might as well put in a plug for The Greenwood Encyclopedia of American Poetry, because I was a contributor (I ended up writing more entroes than anyone), but also because I think it's a hell of a good job. And Burt Kimmelman's The Facts on File Companion to 20th-Century American Poetry, to which I made much more modest contributions. Are you keeping the list up to date, James? ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Books A Poet Should Own (the list as it stands) Dyer's Hand by WH Auden Can't believe Auden didn't occur to me earlier...he always gets things right and he manages to say it so well. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com Thu Nov 9 10:04:16 2006 From: editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com (editor at eratiopostmodernpoetry.com) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:04:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim's "Election Year" and Poetry as Political Act Message-ID: <200611091504.kA9F4GBf004759@mail24.atl.registeredsite.com> . I like Jim's "Election Year" poem (simply for the sentiments expressed), but I'd love for you, Jim, to expand on this statement: "I'd go farther than that...To write a poem, in contemporary society, is a political act." Why? Just exactly how is that? Do you mean by virtue that you are expressing "anti-politician / political climate" sentiments? What excatly is it about the "contemporary society," and what exactly is a "political act" (as these function in your statement)? I'd love for you to expand on your statement. Would you go into a little greater detail, please. . . ? Gregory . From JforJames at aol.com Thu Nov 9 10:55:17 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:55:17 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections Message-ID: In a message dated 11/8/2006 9:59:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com writes: I'd go farther than that...To write a poem, in contermporary society, is a political act. Finnegan I disagree. An aesthetic act, maybe, but not political. "Political" comes from polis, the Greek word for the city (state). It's a long jump to claim that any aesthetic act is also a political one, and, yes, I know "the only protest is beauty." I don't believe that the personal is political, as someone famously claimed. Personal is personal, unless you're living under Stalin, where it becomes a crime against the state to be personal. In this society there is no such crime. We can make any kind of personal statement we wish to make; this forum is proof of that. To imagine otherwise is to be paranoid and silly. James, I don't wish to be unkind, but your statement is hyperbolically silly. Can you provide one example--i. e. any poem--that supports what you've said? Sam, It's not one poem...it's that all poems support the my statement. A poem surely is, first, an aesthetic act. But if that was all it was poetry would backed into that small box of art for art's sake... instead of at large as art for sake of humankind. Of course, my stock & trade is the aphorism. And the aphorism is not an instrument of proof but of provocation. But if the above statement was a thesis, I'd say that the forces arrayed against poetry, the poet, and poetic sensibility are many in this day and age. To name only a few: the modern workplace and marketplace, the mass media culture, intense engagement with gadgetry, machine and devices, the fixations on celebrity and rabid sports fandom, the bombardment of visual and sonic stimula, miked up preachers in stadia-sized mega-churches, pet fetishes, cosmetic surgery and fitness crazes, global capitalism and its making of cheap goods into our only gods, educational system deficiencies, environmental degradation, litter, waste products and overcomsumption, carelessness and lack of attention, overmedicaton and overmediation, etc. These social forces are, in turn, supported by our political policies in a symbiotic exchange of resources and control. The poet, though virtually ignored in contemporary society, writes a simple poem. He/she uses a very rudimentary and commonplace instrument: the word. He/she make use of very few resources in her/his art. The poet doesn't wrap the Reichstag in Mylar. The poet doesn't draw blueprints to erect the world's tallest building. The poet doesn't spend million dollars on traveling road show, juggernaut of stacked amps, laser light show, and pyrotechnic extravaganza. The poet writes, reads, and maybe publishes in this or that corner of the planet and the web. True, the poet, too, wants to be seen, wants audience, at least on the level of community. But the his/her poem is saying something else. The poem is saying that there is place for the authentic, for attention and for emotions, for close observation, for contemplation, for the comic and the tragic without the trappings of showmanship. That there is, still, a kind of speech that, by construct of sound and content, that calls out to the human spirit against the bewildering blizzard of signal noise. It says listen. It says think. It says slow down. It says stand up and dance. It says sit up and pay notice to what is going on around you, really see it, hear it. So in that way, the poem, any poem, is a political act. The Butterfly Effect In '72, Edward Lorenz gave a famous address, "Does the Flap of a Butterfly's Wings in Brazil set off a Tornado in Texas?" Sensitive dependence on initial conditions: A principle of what came to be known as chaos theory... But let's say it's only a figurative tornado that rips through an area northwest of Crawford, Texas, tear-asses across the 1600 acres of our President's ranch, the 'Western White House', far from the real one at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and maybe that butterfly isn't even an exotic from faraway in the Amazon rainforests, ravaged as they are at a rate of 10,000 square miles per year, disappearing in Belgium-sized bites, maybe the butterfly is just a sulfur or cabbage white, common to unmown fields and suburban backyards. Perhaps it all starts in the back of a bookstore, before twenty or so people sitting on folding chairs, because the flap of that butterfly's wings is nothing more than the pages of a poem, turned in a young woman's hands at an open mike, as she speaks her mind, asks to be heard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Nov 9 11:01:28 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:01:28 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Ted Kooser Message-ID: <001401c70418$51978840$66df3652@ANNY> Welcome to American Life in Poetry. For information on permissions and usage, or to download a PDF version of the column, visit www.americanlifeinpoetry.org. ****************************** American Life in Poetry: Column 085 BY TED KOOSER, U.S. POET LAUREATE, 2004-2006 The Illinois poet, Lisel Mueller, is one of our country's finest writers, and the following lines, with their grace and humility, are representative of her poems of quiet celebration. In November Outside the house the wind is howling and the trees are creaking horribly. This is an old story with its old beginning, as I lay me down to sleep. But when I wake up, sunlight has taken over the room. You have already made the coffee and the radio brings us music from a confident age. In the paper bad news is set in distant places. Whatever was bound to happen in my story did not happen. But I know there are rules that cannot be broken. Perhaps a name was changed. A small mistake. Perhaps a woman I do not know is facing the day with the heavy heart that, by all rights, should have been mine. Reprinted from "Alive Together: New and Selected Poems," Louisiana State University Press, 1996, by permission of the author. Poem copyright (c) 1996 by Lisel Mueller. This weekly column is supported by The Poetry Foundation, The Library of Congress, and the Department of English at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. This column does not accept unsolicited poetry. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Thu Nov 9 11:01:29 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:01:29 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections References: Message-ID: <003601c70418$564e0b70$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Applause for Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections In a message dated 11/8/2006 9:59:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com writes: I'd go farther than that...To write a poem, in contermporary society, is a political act. Finnegan I disagree. An aesthetic act, maybe, but not political. "Political" comes from polis, the Greek word for the city (state). It's a long jump to claim that any aesthetic act is also a political one, and, yes, I know "the only protest is beauty." I don't believe that the personal is political, as someone famously claimed. Personal is personal, unless you're living under Stalin, where it becomes a crime against the state to be personal. In this society there is no such crime. We can make any kind of personal statement we wish to make; this forum is proof of that. To imagine otherwise is to be paranoid and silly. James, I don't wish to be unkind, but your statement is hyperbolically silly. Can you provide one example--i. e. any poem--that supports what you've said? Sam, It's not one poem...it's that all poems support the my statement. A poem surely is, first, an aesthetic act. But if that was all it was poetry would backed into that small box of art for art's sake... instead of at large as art for sake of humankind. Of course, my stock & trade is the aphorism. And the aphorism is not an instrument of proof but of provocation. But if the above statement was a thesis, I'd say that the forces arrayed against poetry, the poet, and poetic sensibility are many in this day and age. To name only a few: the modern workplace and marketplace, the mass media culture, intense engagement with gadgetry, machine and devices, the fixations on celebrity and rabid sports fandom, the bombardment of visual and sonic stimula, miked up preachers in stadia-sized mega-churches, pet fetishes, cosmetic surgery and fitness crazes, global capitalism and its making of cheap goods into our only gods, educational system deficiencies, environmental degradation, litter, waste products and overcomsumption, carelessness and lack of attention, overmedicaton and overmediation, etc. These social forces are, in turn, supported by our political policies in a symbiotic exchange of resources and control. The poet, though virtually ignored in contemporary society, writes a simple poem. He/she uses a very rudimentary and commonplace instrument: the word. He/she make use of very few resources in her/his art. The poet doesn't wrap the Reichstag in Mylar. The poet doesn't draw blueprints to erect the world's tallest building. The poet doesn't spend million dollars on traveling road show, juggernaut of stacked amps, laser light show, and pyrotechnic extravaganza. The poet writes, reads, and maybe publishes in this or that corner of the planet and the web. True, the poet, too, wants to be seen, wants audience, at least on the level of community. But the his/her poem is saying something else. The poem is saying that there is place for the authentic, for attention and for emotions, for close observation, for contemplation, for the comic and the tragic without the trappings of showmanship. That there is, still, a kind of speech that, by construct of sound and content, that calls out to the human spirit against the bewildering blizzard of signal noise. It says listen. It says think. It says slow down. It says stand up and dance. It says sit up and pay notice to what is going on around you, really see it, hear it. So in that way, the poem, any poem, is a political act. The Butterfly Effect In '72, Edward Lorenz gave a famous address, "Does the Flap of a Butterfly's Wings in Brazil set off a Tornado in Texas?" Sensitive dependence on initial conditions: A principle of what came to be known as chaos theory... But let's say it's only a figurative tornado that rips through an area northwest of Crawford, Texas, tear-asses across the 1600 acres of our President's ranch, the 'Western White House', far from the real one at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and maybe that butterfly isn't even an exotic from faraway in the Amazon rainforests, ravaged as they are at a rate of 10,000 square miles per year, disappearing in Belgium-sized bites, maybe the butterfly is just a sulfur or cabbage white, common to unmown fields and suburban backyards. Perhaps it all starts in the back of a bookstore, before twenty or so people sitting on folding chairs, because the flap of that butterfly's wings is nothing more than the pages of a poem, turned in a young woman's hands at an open mike, as she speaks her mind, asks to be heard. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Nov 9 11:21:54 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:21:54 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections References: <003601c70418$564e0b70$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <002d01c7041b$32341290$66df3652@ANNY> OH YES! From: TheOldMole Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:01 PM Applause for Jim. From: JforJames at aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:55 AM In a message dated 11/8/2006 9:59:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com writes: I'd go farther than that...To write a poem, in contermporary society, is a political act. Finnegan I disagree. An aesthetic act, maybe, but not political. "Political" comes from polis, the Greek word for the city (state). It's a long jump to claim that any aesthetic act is also a political one, and, yes, I know "the only protest is beauty." I don't believe that the personal is political, as someone famously claimed. Personal is personal, unless you're living under Stalin, where it becomes a crime against the state to be personal. In this society there is no such crime. We can make any kind of personal statement we wish to make; this forum is proof of that. To imagine otherwise is to be paranoid and silly. James, I don't wish to be unkind, but your statement is hyperbolically silly. Can you provide one example--i. e. any poem--that supports what you've said? Sam, It's not one poem...it's that all poems support the my statement. A poem surely is, first, an aesthetic act. But if that was all it was poetry would backed into that small box of art for art's sake... instead of at large as art for sake of humankind. Of course, my stock & trade is the aphorism. And the aphorism is not an instrument of proof but of provocation. But if the above statement was a thesis, I'd say that the forces arrayed against poetry, the poet, and poetic sensibility are many in this day and age. To name only a few: the modern workplace and marketplace, the mass media culture, intense engagement with gadgetry, machine and devices, the fixations on celebrity and rabid sports fandom, the bombardment of visual and sonic stimula, miked up preachers in stadia-sized mega-churches, pet fetishes, cosmetic surgery and fitness crazes, global capitalism and its making of cheap goods into our only gods, educational system deficiencies, environmental degradation, litter, waste products and overcomsumption, carelessness and lack of attention, overmedicaton and overmediation, etc. These social forces are, in turn, supported by our political policies in a symbiotic exchange of resources and control. The poet, though virtually ignored in contemporary society, writes a simple poem. He/she uses a very rudimentary and commonplace instrument: the word. He/she make use of very few resources in her/his art. The poet doesn't wrap the Reichstag in Mylar. The poet doesn't draw blueprints to erect the world's tallest building. The poet doesn't spend million dollars on traveling road show, juggernaut of stacked amps, laser light show, and pyrotechnic extravaganza. The poet writes, reads, and maybe publishes in this or that corner of the planet and the web. True, the poet, too, wants to be seen, wants audience, at least on the level of community. But the his/her poem is saying something else. The poem is saying that there is place for the authentic, for attention and for emotions, for close observation, for contemplation, for the comic and the tragic without the trappings of showmanship. That there is, still, a kind of speech that, by construct of sound and content, that calls out to the human spirit against the bewildering blizzard of signal noise. It says listen. It says think. It says slow down. It says stand up and dance. It says sit up and pay notice to what is going on around you, really see it, hear it. So in that way, the poem, any poem, is a political act. The Butterfly Effect In '72, Edward Lorenz gave a famous address, "Does the Flap of a Butterfly's Wings in Brazil set off a Tornado in Texas?" Sensitive dependence on initial conditions: A principle of what came to be known as chaos theory... But let's say it's only a figurative tornado that rips through an area northwest of Crawford, Texas, tear-asses across the 1600 acres of our President's ranch, the 'Western White House', far from the real one at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and maybe that butterfly isn't even an exotic from faraway in the Amazon rainforests, ravaged as they are at a rate of 10,000 square miles per year, disappearing in Belgium-sized bites, maybe the butterfly is just a sulfur or cabbage white, common to unmown fields and suburban backyards. Perhaps it all starts in the back of a bookstore, before twenty or so people sitting on folding chairs, because the flap of that butterfly's wings is nothing more than the pages of a poem, turned in a young woman's hands at an open mike, as she speaks her mind, asks to be heard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Nov 9 11:28:20 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:28:20 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] A book I like Message-ID: Forgive me if I've already recommended this one (it's been on my frequently-recommended list for many years), but I'll toss onto the growing pile Robert Coles's book, *The Call of Stories*. One of the most inspiring, thought-provoking books I've ever run across. I dip into it and re-read pretty often. It's a difficult book to categorize, and the subtitle ("Teaching and the Moral Imagination") might well mislead. It's not a book about pedagogy or teaching philosophy, and it's also not quite a book about storytelling. Rather, it's a book about how we read and tell stories as ways of making sense of our lives. Yes, it's unapologetically old-fashioned in that regard. It recounts Coles's experiences teaching great fiction (and a bit of poetry) in places where it's often not taught (such as business and medical schools)--and its focus is the way that engaging with great literature is a way of deeply engaging with moral reflection. Its method is mainly to tell stories about individual students and their encounters with specific books. So it's a profoundly un-trendy book, quite distant from the current cutting-edge theoretical investigations. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Nov 9 12:03:39 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:03:39 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To Jim's thoughts I would add yet another recommendation I'm sure I've recommended before. It is Wendell Berry's essay "A Poem of Difficult Hope," which focuses on an anti-war poem by Hayden Carruth and ponders the "poetry makes nothing happen" notion in a deep, fresh way. Much of it chimes with what Jim has to say below. Berry's essay is available in The Seneca Review, and his book What are People For, and possibly other collections. I'll give a lengthy excerpt from Berry's essay here. ==========quoting Wendell Berry============ Much protest is naive; it expects quick, visible improvement, and despairs and gives up when such improvement does not come. Protesters who hold out longer are perhaps able to do so because they have understood that success is not the proper goal. If protest depended on success, then there would be little protest of any durability or significance. History simply affords too little evidence that anyone's individual protest is of any use. Protest that endures, I think, is moved by a hope far more modest than that of public success: namely, the hope of preserving qualities in one's own heart and spirit that would be destroyed by acquiescence. A protest poem, then, had better confront not only the impossibility of restoring what has already been destroyed, but the likelihood that it will be unable to prevent further destruction. This, I take it, is simply one of the practicalities of political dissent and protest. And Mr. Carruth's poem takes up this practicality and makes music of it. He makes a protest poem that understands carefully the enforced, the inescapable, modesty of protest poems. And so his poem becomes necessarily more than a protest poem; it is also a lamentation for the dead who could not be saved, and for the poet who could not save them. But something more is involved that is even harder to talk about because it is only slightly understandable, and that is the part that suffering plays in the economy of the spirit. It seems plain that the voice of our despair defines our hope exactly; it seems, indeed, that we cannot know of hope without knowing of despair, just as we know joy precisely to the extent that we know sorrow. Our culture contains much evidence of this, but one states it outright with some fear of giving justification to those dogmatic and violent people who undertake to do good by causing suffering. Is it necessary, as some appear to have supposed, to cultivate despair and sorrow in order to know hope and joy? No, for there will always be enough despair and sorrow. And what might have been the spiritual economy of Eden, when there was no knowledge of despair and sorrow? We don't need to worry about that. What we do need to worry about is the possibility that we will be reduced, in the face of the enormities of our time, to silence or to mere protest. Mr. Carruth's protest poem is a poem against reduction. On its face, it protests --yet again -- the reduction of the world, but its source is a profound instinct of resistance against the reduction of the poet and the man who is the poet. By its wonderfully sufficient artistry, the poem preserves the poet's wholeness of heart in the face of his despair. And it shows us how to do so as well. That we would help if we could means that we will help when we can. Wendell Berry. "A Poem of Difficult Hope." Seneca Review 20.1 (1990). 16-21. On 11/9/06 9:55 AM, "JforJames at aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 11/8/2006 9:59:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com > writes: >> >>> I'd go farther than that...To write a poem, in contermporary >>> society, is a political act. >>> Finnegan >> >> I disagree. An aesthetic act, maybe, but not political. "Political" comes >> from polis, the Greek word for the city (state). It's a long jump to claim >> that any aesthetic act is also a political one, and, yes, I know "the only >> protest is beauty." I don't believe that the personal is political, as >> someone famously claimed. Personal is personal, unless you're living under >> Stalin, where it becomes a crime against the state to be personal. In this >> society there is no such crime. We can make any kind of personal statement >> we wish to make; this forum is proof of that. To imagine otherwise is to be >> paranoid and silly. James, I don't wish to be unkind, but your statement is >> hyperbolically silly. Can you provide one example--i. e. any poem--that >> supports what you've said? >> > Sam, > It's not one poem...it's that all poems support the my statement. > A poem surely is, first, an aesthetic act. But if that was all it was > poetry would backed into that small box of art for art's sake... > instead of at large as art for sake of humankind. > > Of course, my stock & trade is the aphorism. > And the aphorism is not an instrument of proof but of > provocation. But if the above statement was a thesis, > I'd say that the forces arrayed against poetry, the poet, > and poetic sensibility are many in this day and age. > To name only a few: the modern workplace and marketplace, > the mass media culture, intense engagement with gadgetry, > machine and devices, the fixations on celebrity and rabid > sports fandom, the bombardment of visual and sonic stimula, > miked up preachers in stadia-sized mega-churches, pet fetishes, > cosmetic surgery and fitness crazes, global capitalism > and its making of cheap goods into our only gods, > educational system deficiencies, environmental degradation, > litter, waste products and overcomsumption, carelessness and > lack of attention, overmedicaton and overmediation, > etc. These social forces are, in turn, supported by > our political policies in a symbiotic exchange of resources > and control. > > The poet, though virtually ignored in contemporary > society, writes a simple poem. He/she uses a very > rudimentary and commonplace instrument: the word. > He/she make use of very few resources in her/his art. > The poet doesn't wrap the Reichstag in Mylar. The poet > doesn't draw blueprints to erect the world's tallest building. > The poet doesn't spend million dollars on traveling road show, > juggernaut of stacked amps, laser light show, and pyrotechnic > extravaganza. The poet writes, reads, and maybe publishes > in this or that corner of the planet and the web. > > True, the poet, too, wants to be seen, wants audience, > at least on the level of community. But the his/her poem > is saying something else. The poem is saying that there > is place for the authentic, for attention and for emotions, > for close observation, for contemplation, for the comic and > the tragic without the trappings of showmanship. That there > is, still, a kind of speech that, by construct of sound and content, > that calls out to the human spirit against the bewildering > blizzard of signal noise. It says listen. It says think. > It says slow down. It says stand up and dance. It says sit up > and pay notice to what is going on around you, really see it, > hear it. So in that way, the poem, any poem, is a political act. > > > The Butterfly Effect > > In '72, Edward Lorenz gave a famous address, > "Does the Flap of a Butterfly's Wings in Brazil > set off a Tornado in Texas?" Sensitive dependence > on initial conditions: A principle of what came > to be known as chaos theory... > > But let's say it's only a figurative tornado > that rips through an area northwest of Crawford, Texas, > tear-asses across the 1600 acres of our President's ranch, > the 'Western White House', far from the real one > at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and maybe > that butterfly isn't even an exotic from faraway > in the Amazon rainforests, ravaged as they are > at a rate of 10,000 square miles per year, disappearing > in Belgium-sized bites, maybe the butterfly is just a sulfur > or cabbage white, common to unmown fields > and suburban backyards. > > Perhaps it all starts in the back of a bookstore, > before twenty or so people sitting on folding chairs, > because the flap of that butterfly's wings > is nothing more than the pages of a poem, > turned in a young woman's hands at an open mike, > as she speaks her mind, asks to be heard. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 14:52:29 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:52:29 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Rattle's e-issue Message-ID: <648208b60611091152g672911a0jdee14667ef0c1e4c@mail.gmail.com> From: "Tim Green" Date: November 9, 2006 9:58:58 AM MST We're pleased to release RATTLE's first biannual electronic issue. The idea started as a simple newsletter, something to fill the six long months between publication, but it kept growing as we thought of more content to feature. We ended up with a full-color pdf that feels closer to an issue than a letter, so we're calling it that, and plan to publish one every March and September. Our intention, as always, is to spread more great poetry, not to flood inboxes and annoy, and so rather than attach the file, I'm using this email as a notification. To download the free pdf , click here (or paste the url into your browser): http://www.rattle.com/eIssue1a..pdf (870kb) The issue is 41 pages, and includes a book excerpt from Erik Campbell's Arguments for Stillness (one of my favorite collections of poetry), a half-dozen photographs by Hal Bergman, and two e-Reviews. The second half is a preview of Rattle's winter issue -- five poems and a portion of Alan Fox's interview with Jane Hirshfield. As I explain in the introduction, we're trying to provide a broader venue for poetry than we're able with the print issues -- I hope we've succeeded, and I hope it proves a fun and enlightening read. It's designed to be printed out easily, in color or black and white, or just read on the computer. If you have any questions or comments, or if you have trouble downloading the file, please write back. When the next E-Issue is ready in March, I might end up just attaching the pdf. There's also a chance that we'll send another announcement or two (though emailing this many people is no small task, so I don't know how likely that is). If you'd like to remove yourself from this mailing list at any time, don't reply to me -- simply send an email to unsubscribe at rattle.com To add yourself or a new address, email subscribe at rattle.com And do tell your friends. Many thanks, and happy reading, Tim ps. If you haven't checked our website recently, you might want to visit www.rattle.com We've done a lot of renovation in the last few months, including a poem of the week feature, an anything-goes online review section, and a vast page of links to contributor websites. And as always, back issues are available online, in their entirety. Hopefully it's worth bookmarking. -end of quote ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ From acgold01 at louisville.edu Thu Nov 9 15:30:10 2006 From: acgold01 at louisville.edu (Alan C Golding) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:30:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] One-sentence poems Message-ID: <4553490A.AC48.0004.0@gwise.louisville.edu> There's lots of examples in Whitman, David, esp. in *Calamus* and *Drum-Taps*--In Paths Untrodden, Recorders Ages Hence, When I Heard at the Close of the Day, Here the Frailest Leaves of Me, I Dream'd in a Dream to name a few in the former volume, and Cavalry Crossing a Ford, Vigil Strange, A March in the Ranks Hard-Prest, Reconciliation in the latter. And some of his most famous short poems, like When I Heard the Learn'd Astronomer and Dalliance of the Eagles. I bet Dickinson wrote a lot of them too (off the top of my head I can think of "Presentiment is that long shadow in the grass"). Though what counts as a sentence in ED is a matter of some conjecture. Alan From acgold01 at louisville.edu Thu Nov 9 15:31:31 2006 From: acgold01 at louisville.edu (Alan C Golding) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:31:31 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] One-sentence poems II Message-ID: <4553495B.AC48.0004.0@gwise.louisville.edu> Also, one of my favorites, by Tom Raworth: "This poem has been removed for further study." Alan From screwzbaran at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 19:16:59 2006 From: screwzbaran at gmail.com (Suzanne Baran) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:16:59 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] One-sentence poems In-Reply-To: <4553490A.AC48.0004.0@gwise.louisville.edu> References: <4553490A.AC48.0004.0@gwise.louisville.edu> Message-ID: <2d5ffa0b0611091616o13596761v6f8f969366d6e4e9@mail.gmail.com> Have you all considered: John Keats's "Bright star, would I were stedfast " William Carlos Williams's "The Red Wheelbarrow" and Linda Pastan's "The New Dog ." On 11/9/06, Alan C Golding wrote: > > There's lots of examples in Whitman, David, esp. in *Calamus* and > *Drum-Taps*--In Paths Untrodden, Recorders Ages Hence, When I Heard at > the Close of the Day, Here the Frailest Leaves of Me, I Dream'd in a > Dream to name a few in the former volume, and Cavalry Crossing a Ford, > Vigil Strange, A March in the Ranks Hard-Prest, Reconciliation in the > latter. And some of his most famous short poems, like When I Heard the > Learn'd Astronomer and Dalliance of the Eagles. > > I bet Dickinson wrote a lot of them too (off the top of my head I can > think of "Presentiment is that long shadow in the grass"). Though what > counts as a sentence in ED is a matter of some conjecture. > > Alan > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Thu Nov 9 21:38:41 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:38:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections References: Message-ID: <00ba01c70471$568d8800$5eb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Thought for the day after the electionsIf art for art's sake is "small," what good is music? Or is someone going to tell me it's a lesser art than poetry? Or, more idiotically, that it can be political. Yeah, I know about Finlandia, and Beethoven's Eroica. But they're not political, they're only used as emblems of political the way a color or flower can be. Politics is just tenth-raters fighting each other for power over morons. --Bob, being bad again -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope at icubed.com Thu Nov 9 23:46:30 2006 From: elemenope at icubed.com (elemenope at icubed.com) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 23:46:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange In-Reply-To: <200611081700.kA8H05oQ007404@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200611081700.kA8H05oQ007404@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <56560.205.201.10.98.1163133990.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com> Cris, When this happened, i.e., when Wright spoke that line, I remember distinctly that a strange mad truth had been uttered. Everybody in the hall was looking at him, including Bly. Wright's eyes were black ovals, fierce, and he was SEATED, at a remove, a distance from everybody, including Bly. Bly loomed in his Indian poncho across the stage, turned 90 degrees from the audience toward this man in arctic white shirt, straight dropped down black tie. There wasn't anything one could do about this man's dilemma, leaning out from our seats unable to touch him. Wright was a serious character, an electric aura surrounded him like a photographic negative. Bly had introduced him as the most significant living poet. I remember thinking, "I wonder if Dabney Stuart is here witnessing this?" I can't prove it but I believe that Bly had never heard the poem before this moment, although he was Wright's champion and publisher in his magazine, "The Sixties." Bly had explained part of his theory regarding "Leaping Poetry." Upon the stage watched by all those aristocratic Southern women was a potent, defiant demonstration of this theory, hanging in the air like a smoke ring of dry ice. Caught Bly flatfooted. It was an intense night. Bly also hit us with: "Johnson's Cabinet Watched By Ants." As we say these days, a student of literature might be able to get their head around one of these figures, but the two of them out up there in the spotlights staring at the stage lights hitting them was simply out of mental reach. I just remembered (perhaps) the title of Wright's poem: "Lying In A Hammock On William Duffy's Farm" RD Message: 6 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:44:12 -0500 From: cheekc Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange indeed Richard, but what a way to waste it;) love and love cris On Nov 7, 2006, at 4:58 PM, elemenope at icubed.com wrote: > I remember when Bly and Wright appeared on the same stage at > Sweetbriar > College in the Blue Ridge Mountains. > Bly in serape introduced Wright in white shirt black tie as the > greatest > living poet. > Wright recalled the poem wherein he announces while musing on a lawn littered with whatnot that he because of poetry has wasted his life. RD From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Nov 10 02:31:35 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:31:35 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections References: <00ba01c70471$568d8800$5eb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <005d01c7049a$40dba680$6d2ab750@ANNY> Thought for the day after the electionsI think political has two different meanings, as a matter of fact I agree with you and with James. From: Bob Grumman Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:38 AM If art for art's sake is "small," what good is music? Or is someone going to tell me it's a lesser art than poetry? Or, more idiotically, that it can be political. Yeah, I know about Finlandia, and Beethoven's Eroica. But they're not political, they're only used as emblems of political the way a color or flower can be. 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I'll try to explain why. You see, I have this conversation a lot when the conversation turns to race or class. Typically it is individuals who enjoy the highest levels of privilege who assume that such things really aren't important and not relevant to their lives, their speech, or the way they go about their day. That is after all the privilege of being a part of a dominant group-- you get to brush off such dirty subjects and pretend that they have no bearing on you. You can write a poem about the ducks in your backyard and pretend that your race/class has nothing whatever to do with the fact that you even have a backyard. Pretty, yes. Enjoy it by all means. I mean that. But please don't pretend that this is not a privilege. And unless you really believe that this privilege has some sort of natural basis (i.e., you believe it is right and natural that you should have the option of ignoring race, class, or the war in Iraq because you are white, American and male-- in which case you and I are going to have words) please don't pretend that it is not political. Because it is. You are there and it is there because of politics. Back to poetry. I work like a dog at my coporate job which I am grateful to have, and have to work rather hard to sculpt out that time I need for writing and reading poetry. We live in a cultural where the almighty dollar has a lot of power (and if you are unaware of this, I am likely to conclude that you probably have a awful lot of dollars-- which buys you the privilege of not having to think about them) and making time for something which is never going to produce more dollars is a consciously spiritual, political, and subversive act. Subversive? Making time for this means unmaking time for something else that the culture dictates is more important (money, family, civic duties). So yes, subversive. Even if I just write about those ducks, that act of doing is political. And while I am writing those ducks, I will probably be conscious of how it is I came about to be sitting in this yard and looking at such creatures instead of looking at a war zone-- because that is what I am: someone who knows she isn't too far away from such things. And if I am not? Sorry, willful ignorance, cocooning, putting up even necessary walls is a political act and persepective. I admit I have trouble lsitening to people who insist that there is nothing political in what they do or say, because that very statement, to me, reveals a kind of myopia. Its a little bit like how I have trouble listening to someone who is white, well-educated, able-bodied and from Northern California complain about poor and disadvantaged they are because they don't also have a nice house and a pair of Manolo Blahniks. Its an inherently skewed perspective and it shows a profound lack of awareness-- which I admit, and maybe this is my limitation, I cannot respect. My two bits for the day, Suzanne Burns -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Fri Nov 10 11:04:17 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:04:17 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Upcoming Salons Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From JforJames at aol.com Fri Nov 10 12:06:52 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:06:52 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections Message-ID: In a message dated 11/9/2006 5:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com writes: hear what you're saying, James, but you might as well have said that writing a poem in today's world is a religious act. And I'd respond the same way to that statement. Still, the idea of my slamming a book of bad poetry shut and starting a tornado that ravages that ranch in Crawford has some appeal to it. And that's an impressive array of forces arranged against poetry, but, if my own experience means any thing, most of them, at one time or another, have stimulated me to write poems. As Emerson said in "The Poet," we can find "in the barbarism and materialism of the times, another carnival of the same gods whose picture [we] so admire in Homer . . . ." Sam, a poem can be a kind of 'secular prayer'...certainly it has at times been so for me. But writing a poem isn't a religious act, per se, because the poem, in general, is not written in relation to a deity (the Muse doesn't count) or in relation to some kind of theological worldview involving metaphysical forces, etc. (And, of course, English and American poetry are unmistakedly marked by Judeo-Christian teaching.) The social 'forces arrayed against poetry' is somewhat of an exaggeration...many of the forces that I quickly listed are not consciously hostile to poetry but, rather, obdurately ignorant of poetry's place in the world or they inadvertently create an environment that dulls the sensibilities, inures us to the other stimula that might evoke more nuanced emotional responses to other people, things, ideas.... Certainly we can find stimulation and be inspired to write by the inherently anti-poetic things and by forces within our social milieu, but, in general, the poet is not going to be writing paeans to global capitalism or last weekend's NASC AR race, I don't thing. The poet's take on these things will be askew, will not be aligned with with popular (inculcated) sentiments, and contrary to the easy/cliche point of view. The other night Anne Waldman was talking about the Naropa Institute in Boulder, and she made the remark that one of its missions was "To keep the world safe for poetry." That's sort to the point. The world could quite easily get on without us, without our poetry. Almost no one would notice if there was were, in Rapture like event, whisked away from the earth. But there would be a diminishment, I believe; a loss that would, in time, be felt in 'the soul' of society and what it is to be human. 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But writing a poem isn't a religious act, per se, because the > poem, in general, > is not written in relation to a deity (the Muse doesn't count) or in > relation to some > kind of theological worldview involving metaphysical forces, etc. (And, of > course, > English and American poetry are unmistakedly marked by Judeo-Christian > teaching.) > Yes, but perhaps honored more in the breach than in the observance: Freneau, Bryant, Emerson, Whitman, Dickinson, Crane, Robinson, Frost, for starters. I'd argue that the mainstream (whatever that means) of American poetry has generally had serious arguments with J-C teaching and has opted for a contrarian, Universalist/Transcendentalist position, if not one that's downright agnostic, which would seem to be the case for the last three on the list. How many serious American devotional poets can you name from the last century? Antoninus? Merton? Even Hecht and Wilbur, who are, respectively, J and C, present a highly secularized religious ethic that's closer to Emerson than to Billy Graham. > The social 'forces arrayed against poetry' is somewhat of an > exaggeration...many > of the forces that I quickly listed are not consciously hostile to poetry > but, rather, > obdurately ignorant of poetry's place in the world or they inadvertently > create an > environment that dulls the sensibilities, inures us to the other stimula > that might > evoke more nuanced emotional responses to other people, things, ideas.... > True, but we do have the choice of ignoring them (as best we can), keeping our accounts on our thumbnails, and paying more attention to friends and family than to the "jabbering set." > Certainly we can find stimulation and be inspired to write by the > inherently > anti-poetic things and by forces within our social milieu, but, in general, > the poet > is not going to be writing paeans to global capitalism or last weekend's > NASCAR > race, I don't thing. The poet's take on these things will be askew, will not > be aligned > with with popular (inculcated) sentiments, and contrary to the easy/cliche > point of > view. > That's why God invented satire. Or maybe it was Juvenal. If I wrote a poem about a NASCAR race (and I did just write one that mentioned not only NASCAR but Wal-Mart as well), I'd assume that most people likely to read it would share my distaste for both. I don't think that the guy walking through the parking lot in Darrell Earnhart regalia would be likely to respond in a manner I would enjoy. > The other night Anne Waldman was talking about the Naropa Institute > in Boulder, and she made the remark that one of its missions was "To > keep the world safe for poetry." That's sort to the point. The world could > quite easily get on without us, without our poetry. Almost no one would > notice if there was were, in Rapture like event, whisked away from the > earth. But there would be a diminishment, I believe; a loss that would, > in time, be felt in 'the soul' of society and what it is to be human. > > Finnegan > Fine and dandy, but suddenly you've done an about-face and are talking about "the soul," which has always struck me as a concept more religious than political. As for what Suzanne Burns added, I hear what she's saying, but the very act of writing poetry and publishing it in literary journals and/or books that are for the most part going to be read by people with college degrees, leisure time, and disposable income must also make certain presumptions about class. In some societies, this would have been seen or may still be seen as a subversive, anti-proletarian act catering to a social elite. But not in this society, I trust. We poets live in glass houses, if not ivory towers, in this regard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've always seen it as my role as an artist to attempt to make wholeness. --Anish Kapoor (Indian born sculptor) _http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/exhibitions/kapoor/_ (http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/exhibitions/kapoor/) _http://www.jesus.cam.ac.uk/news/sculpture/01kapoor.html_ (http://www.jesus.cam.ac.uk/news/sculpture/01kapoor.html) _http://www.lynnbecker.com/repeat/Gehry/kapoor.htm_ (http://www.lynnbecker.com/repeat/Gehry/kapoor.htm) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 14:32:21 2006 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:32:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] ONE WEEK FROM TODAY -- HOLMES, GREENSTREET, MARKS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061110193221.35398.qmail@web83103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MiPOesias Presents **** JANET HOLMES, KATE GREENSTREET, and JUSTIN MARKS **** ** Amy King Hosts ** ** Shanna Compton Guest Hosts the Other Half ** 7 PM, Friday, November 17, 2006 Stain Bar 766 Grand Steet Brooklyn , NY 11211 (718) 387-7840 http://www.stainbar.com [Grand stop on the L TRAIN] _____________ Janet Holmes is author of F2F (forthcoming from U of Notre Dame Press), HUMANOPHONE, THE GREEN TUXEDO, and THE PHYSICIST AT THE MALL. She directs (edits, designs, typesets, and otherwise runs) AHSAHTA PRESS, an all-poetry press at Boise State University. She also teaches in the MFA program there. Kate Greenstreet's chapbook, LEARNING THE LANGUAGE, was published by Etherdome Press in 2005, and her first full-length book, CASE SENSITIVE, will be out from Ahsahta Press in September 2006. Her blog is at http://wwwkickingwind.com. Justin Marks has poems in recent issues of The Literary Review, Typo, Word For/ Word, Black Warrior Review and Coconut, and forthcoming from Fulcrum, H_NGM_N, and the Outside Voices 2008 Anthology of Younger Poets. His chapbook, YOU BEING YOU BY PROXY, is out on Kitchen Press. His full length manuscript, TWENTY FIVE POEMS IN ICELAND AND OTHER POEMS, was a finalist for the 2006 May Swenson Poetry Award. He is Editor of LIT magazine and lives in New York City. http://www.mipoesias.com http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From queenmouse at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 14:56:17 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:56:17 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections In-Reply-To: <58b.51542e6.32861fe7@cs.com> References: <58b.51542e6.32861fe7@cs.com> Message-ID: On 11/10/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > > > > As for what Suzanne Burns added, I hear what she's saying, but the very > act of writing poetry and publishing it in literary journals and/or books > that are for the most part going to be read by people with college degrees, > leisure time, and disposable income must also make certain presumptions > about class. In some societies, this would have been seen or may still be > seen as a subversive, anti-proletarian act catering to a social elite. But > not in this society, I trust. We poets live in glass houses, if not ivory > towers, in this regard. I don't think I understand the "but" in what you are saying-- because really this does support my point. When you make room for something like this in your life it *is* political. I've had my share of living in Ivory Towers, and am not claiming to be "proletariat" or above all of this-- but I think we do have at least some responsibility to be aware of what we are doing. I brought up race and class as the reference because this is one area where privilege makes one very blind-- if you really can easily say 'Oh that's not relevant to me", then you are taking advantage of a privilege that dominant groups are accorded: the privilege of ignoring the whole thing. Its a choice, and I think it is disingenuous to say that it isn't. BTW I can think of many poets (Adrienne Rich, Audre Lord, Kate Daniels, Carolyn Forche anyone?) who make different choices. It really isn't about what your race or class background is so much as your willingness to open your eyes and see how you are a part of the world. I highly recommend Peggy McIntosh's essay White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack' : http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html Thanks, Suzanne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From queenmouse at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 15:22:52 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:22:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections In-Reply-To: References: <58b.51542e6.32861fe7@cs.com> Message-ID: I mean... (Hoping I can make this clear)... Saying you aren't political is a little bit like saying you have no point of view. Its nonsense. Of course you have a point of view. Even maintaining that you don't have a point of view is a point of view. Of course it is easier to maintain that you have no point of view if you are on the side of privilege-- this doesn't however make it less of a fallacy. I'm not judging what choices anyone decides to make (life is short after all), but it would be really nice if people could see that they are making choices--and obviously what choice one makes is determined at least in part by *what choices are available*. As this relates to poetry: I think most of us would agree that effort one has to extend to maintain a poetic practice in a culture in which poetry is about as overlooked as it has ever been is considerable. Sitting down to write and sticking to one's guns is a statement. A big one. yes, even in the so-called ivory tower (which isn't quite as shiny as it might have been in the past). I hope this clarifies what I was trying to say. 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There are many who claim all poetry (or discourse, or whatever) is political, sexual, economic, psychological, or deconstructive, etc. I realize these are not mutually exclusive (someone might see all poetry as part of a sexual politics, etc.), but what I think is unnecessarily narrowing in the sense that we must see all poetry as a single thing and loose our ability to realize the multiplicity of vectors, engagements, intentions, happenstances, etc. that any deep human engagement entails. The obvious example is someone who sees all human interaction through a single ideology, say Marxism or Jungiansim. That certainly is not the case here and I don't imply it is. But narrowing the way in which we might see something, seems to cut us off from the multiplicity of possibilities, from a full human (including intuitive) series of responses. Plus, saying something like "all discourse is political" tends to extend the notion of "political" unusefully. On a side note, another great narrowing I see is the unconsidered notion that the dialectical is the most important way of thinking. Again, it tends to ignore the multiple ways thought might interestingly proceed. (It's surprising to me how many otherwise intelligent people who try to be original thinkers-or at least not trapped in traditional forms of thought--never consider this, and will even fight strongly to maintain it. Intellectual acculturation? Or maybe _I'm_ wrong.) Again, Suzanne, I liked your post very much, I just have a quibble with "the exclusivity clause," as they say. (Otherwise, your view of how the political might direct our energies, etc., is interesting to me.) -----Original Message----- From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Suzanne Burns Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:12 AM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections My own thoughts on this subject: I really think that to say anything at all, to presume that one's thoughts could possibly be important and worthy of being recorded, to address a political issue and have an opinion AND/OR to assume the priviledge of ignoring "politics" and claiming that they have no bearing on your life or perspective... Is. All. Inherently. Political. I'm sorry if this seems like anything other than an expansive perspective. I'll try to explain why. You see, I have this conversation a lot when the conversation turns to race or class. Typically it is individuals who enjoy the highest levels of privilege who assume that such things really aren't important and not relevant to their lives, their speech, or the way they go about their day. That is after all the privilege of being a part of a dominant group-- you get to brush off such dirty subjects and pretend that they have no bearing on you. You can write a poem about the ducks in your backyard and pretend that your race/class has nothing whatever to do with the fact that you even have a backyard. Pretty, yes. Enjoy it by all means. I mean that. But please don't pretend that this is not a privilege. And unless you really believe that this privilege has some sort of natural basis ( i.e., you believe it is right and natural that you should have the option of ignoring race, class, or the war in Iraq because you are white, American and male-- in which case you and I are going to have words) please don't pretend that it is not political. Because it is. You are there and it is there because of politics. Back to poetry. I work like a dog at my coporate job which I am grateful to have, and have to work rather hard to sculpt out that time I need for writing and reading poetry. We live in a cultural where the almighty dollar has a lot of power (and if you are unaware of this, I am likely to conclude that you probably have a awful lot of dollars-- which buys you the privilege of not having to think about them) and making time for something which is never going to produce more dollars is a consciously spiritual, political, and subversive act. Subversive? Making time for this means unmaking time for something else that the culture dictates is more important (money, family, civic duties). So yes, subversive. Even if I just write about those ducks, that act of doing is political. And while I am writing those ducks, I will probably be conscious of how it is I came about to be sitting in this yard and looking at such creatures instead of looking at a war zone-- because that is what I am: someone who knows she isn't too far away from such things. And if I am not? Sorry, willful ignorance, cocooning, putting up even necessary walls is a political act and persepective. I admit I have trouble lsitening to people who insist that there is nothing political in what they do or say, because that very statement, to me, reveals a kind of myopia. Its a little bit like how I have trouble listening to someone who is white, well-educated, able-bodied and from Northern California complain about poor and disadvantaged they are because they don't also have a nice house and a pair of Manolo Blahniks. Its an inherently skewed perspective and it shows a profound lack of awareness-- which I admit, and maybe this is my limitation, I cannot respect. 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It falls into that category of the little, exquisite book full of interesting insights, assertions, fragments, paragraphs about poetry, being a poet and a artist in the world. So then let me list the categories of the books in a 'poet's ideal library'. I want to veer away from 'ownership'... because to own a lot of books is an investment in both money and space (which costs money) and may not be within the means of some poets or against certain poet's way of being in the world. And there are, for now, still libraries and inter-library loan and such, so books can be gotten hold of and can be read without being owned. I. General Reference: 1) Dictionaries (English, Foreign, Dead Languages), 2) Encyclopedia, Overviews, Guidebooks, Glossaries to Particular Subjects likely to be useful in making poems: History, English Grammar/Linguistics, Philosophy, History, The Bible, Famous Quotations, Art, etc. II. Reference Texts Specific to Poetry: 1) Handbook of Literary Terms 2) Guide to Poetry Forms & Meters 3) Rhyming Dictionary (useful even to free verse poets) 4) Poetry Reference Guide/Encyclopedia: Short entries on terms, concepts, movements, and key poets. III. Books Related Poetry Praxis: 1) Practical handbooks that help poet's understand the mechanics of writing poems; focus method and technique. 2) Poets explaining the process of constructing their own poems, choices made in process of making the poem. 3) Manuscript Analysis, great poems review in stage of draft or famous manupulated to make a point about the construction. IV. Critical Writings (generally written by academic scholars & critics) 1) Scholarly critical treatments of particular poets/periods/movements 2) Theory/Poetics V. Poetry & Art-Related Essays (Generally written by poets & artists) 1) Essays related to writing in general 2) Specific essays dealing with a topic/theme in poetry and poetry writing 3) Essays that address being an artist, the imagination, creativity, etc. VI. Poet & Artist Interviews VII. Poet & Artist Letters and Journals VIII. Poet & Artist Biographies (& Autobiographies) IX. Quote Books/Commonplace Books X. Misc. Texts: These being books that have somehow informed one?s poetry in an important way. Examples might be: Stanislavki?s On Acting, Book of the Japanese Tea Ceremony, Fydor Dostoevsky?s The Idiot, Wittgenstein?s Tractatus, etc.; being influential to a particular poet and therefore idiosyncratically chosen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And I certainly don't want to reduce everything to just one meaning-- its entirely possible to talk about something that is separate from the political, of course. What I question is the opposite exclusivity-- this idea that it is possible for any of us to compeltely separate ourselves from the issues of our time, and that giving attention to political ramifications of our speech or actions is inherently small and petty (this was sort of what I was hearing Bob say anyway). As with most things, the truth is probably somewhere between the two extremes. Hope I am not taking this way too off topic. Thanks, Suzanne -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It occured to me that my post was expanding what "political" means beond maybe what was initially being discussed. Part if that is deliberate because I think it is unfortunate that many people (myself included) tend to hear "political" and think instantly about the evening news, and I think does have a broader meaning than that. And I certainly don't want to reduce everything to just one meaning-- its entirely possible to talk about something that is separate from the political, of course. What I question is the opposite exclusivity-- this idea that it is possible for any of us to compeltely separate ourselves from the issues of our time, and that giving attention to political ramifications of our speech or actions is inherently small and petty (this was sort of what I was hearing Bob say anyway). As with most things, the truth is probably somewhere between the two extremes. Hope I am not taking this way too off topic. 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Even > maintaining that you don't have a point of view is a point of view. Of > course it is easier to maintain that you have no point of view if you are on > the side of privilege-- this doesn't however make it less of a fallacy. > > I'm not judging what choices anyone decides to make (life is short after > all), but it would be really nice if people could see that they are making > choices--and obviously what choice one makes is determined at least in part > by *what choices are available*. > > As this relates to poetry: I think most of us would agree that effort one > has to extend to maintain a poetic practice in a culture in which poetry is > about as overlooked as it has ever been is considerable. Sitting down to > write and sticking to one's guns is a statement. A big one. yes, even in > the so-called ivory tower (which isn't quite as shiny as it might have been > in the past). > > I hope this clarifies what I was trying to say. > > Suzanne Burns > > > -- > "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what > your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and > you have style." > > --Quentin Crisp > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Fri Nov 10 18:18:27 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:18:27 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections Message-ID: In a message dated 11/10/2006 1:56:53 PM Central Standard Time, queenmouse at gmail.com writes: > > >> >> >> As for what Suzanne Burns added, I hear what she's saying, but the very act >> of writing poetry and publishing it in literary journals and/or books that >> are for the most part going to be read by people with college degrees, >> leisure time, and disposable income must also make certain presumptions about >> class. In some societies, this would have been seen or may still be seen as a >> subversive, anti-proletarian act catering to a social elite. But not in >> this society, I trust. We poets live in glass houses, if not ivory towers, in >> this regard. > > > I don't think I understand the "but" in what you are saying-- because really > this does support my point. When you make room for something like this in > your life it *is* political. I've had my share of living in Ivory Towers, and > am not claiming to be "proletariat" or above all of this-- but I think we do > have at least some responsibility to be aware of what we are doing. > Was the round of golf I played this morning political? It was at a public course, and I observed women and members of all minorities in this area chopping away about as badly as I did. Am I making a political statement by playing a round of golf that profits, let me see, an urban public course, the Titleist golf ball company, the electric company that charged the cart, the many club companies to whom I've paid money in search of forlorn hopes? Well, all of those folks keep people steadily employed. Should I feel bad about the tree that yielded me a score card, several tees, a pencil? Should I weep for the divot I dislodged and didn't replace? I didn't break 50 on 9 holes. I rarely do. But the pursuit of this elusive goal of having a decent round is important to me, albeit not as important as writing poems that I hope will both satisfy me and move readers. Sorry, but I don't buy into this way of thinking. If I want to write political poems, then by god I will (and I have), but I wouldn't presume to think that every poem ever written is a political act. > I brought up race and class as the reference because this is one area where > privilege makes one very blind-- if you really can easily say 'Oh that's not > relevant to me", then you are taking advantage of a privilege that dominant > groups are accorded: the privilege of ignoring the whole thing. Its a > choice, and I think it is disingenuous to say that it isn't. > So you're saying that if I choose to write a poem about a camellia bush that loses its blooms to an unexpected frost I'm exercising class privilege by admitting to having a yard that has the bush in it and lamenting that the pretty blossoms fell? Sorry, but this sounds like the "starving orphans in China" argument that I used to hear whenever I didn't finish my vegetables. > BTW I can think of many poets (Adrienne Rich, Audre Lord, Kate Daniels, > Carolyn Forche anyone?) who make different choices. It really isn't about what > your race or class background is so much as your willingness to open your > eyes and see how you are a part of the world. > > What's so "different" about these choices if you're preaching to the choir? How many hostile audiences have any of us ever faced? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Fri Nov 10 18:29:33 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:29:33 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections Message-ID: <58d.63b5eb4.3286655d@cs.com> In a message dated 11/10/2006 2:23:18 PM Central Standard Time, queenmouse at gmail.com writes: > > I mean... (Hoping I can make this clear)... > > Saying you aren't political is a little bit like saying you have no point of > view. Its nonsense. Of course you have a point of view. Even maintaining > that you don't have a point of view is a point of view. Of course it is > easier to maintain that you have no point of view if you are on the side of > privilege-- this doesn't however make it less of a fallacy. > No, you're saying that one is political even when one doesn't intend to be. There's a difference here. A poet should know when she's speaking politically and should know when he's speaking personally. > I'm not judging what choices anyone decides to make (life is short after > all), but it would be really nice if people could see that they are making > choices--and obviously what choice one makes is determined at least in part by > *what choices are available*. > I make a choice every time I select a word. And there are lots of words available to choose from. > As this relates to poetry: I think most of us would agree that effort one > has to extend to maintain a poetic practice in a culture in which poetry is > about as overlooked as it has ever been is considerable. Sitting down to > write and sticking to one's guns is a statement. A big one. yes, even in the > so-called ivory tower (which isn't quite as shiny as it might have been in the > past). > Read Levertov's poems c. 1972 when she describes throwing napalm into Kissinger's face and stabbing Nixon. This kind of courage could only exist in a society that protects free speech. Did Levertov suffer any recriminations? Nope. Are you aware that a movie that depicts the assassination of the current President is now in release (though some theater chains have chosen not to show it) in this country? Still, it will be available on dvd in a few months. 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In the case of Sexton, as is sometimes wont to happen when the public reviews the life and death of someone famous, the circumstances of the latter tend to overshadow the events of the former. Salome Jens' one-woman show "...about Anne," playing at CSU-Monterey Bay's World Theater tonight (Thursday) at 7:30 p.m., attempts to magnify the life moments. With no narration or filler beyond the poetry itself, Jens has chosen and ordered Sexton's poems to shape the poet's story. Her dramatic delivery of "...about Anne" has won a DramaLogue Award and a Bay Area Critic's Circle Award. Jens, an accomplished actress currently performing to critical acclaim in "Leipzek" at the Marilyn Monroe Theatre in Los Angeles, said her work with Sexton is unique. "This is the first time alone on stage, me and the audience. And Anne," she said, "because the stuff is so powerful." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Though maybe in different terms.... Amicalement, Alex www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet From tad at opus40.org Fri Nov 10 19:17:45 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:17:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] ONE WEEK FROM TODAY -- HOLMES, GREENSTREET, MARKS References: <20061110193221.35398.qmail@web83103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c70526$cfbe9ba0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Would love to hear Janet, but a trip into the city at this point is probably not in the books for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: amy king To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] ONE WEEK FROM TODAY -- HOLMES, GREENSTREET, MARKS MiPOesias Presents **** JANET HOLMES, KATE GREENSTREET, and JUSTIN MARKS **** ** Amy King Hosts ** ** Shanna Compton Guest Hosts the Other Half ** 7 PM, Friday, November 17, 2006 Stain Bar 766 Grand Steet Brooklyn , NY 11211 (718) 387-7840 http://www.stainbar.com [Grand stop on the L TRAIN] _____________ Janet Holmes is author of F2F (forthcoming from U of Notre Dame Press), HUMANOPHONE, THE GREEN TUXEDO, and THE PHYSICIST AT THE MALL. She directs (edits, designs, typesets, and otherwise runs) AHSAHTA PRESS, an all-poetry press at Boise State University. She also teaches in the MFA program there. Kate Greenstreet's chapbook, LEARNING THE LANGUAGE, was published by Etherdome Press in 2005, and her first full-length book, CASE SENSITIVE, will be out from Ahsahta Press in September 2006. Her blog is at http://wwwkickingwind.com. Justin Marks has poems in recent issues of The Literary Review, Typo, Word For/ Word, Black Warrior Review and Coconut, and forthcoming from Fulcrum, H_NGM_N, and the Outside Voices 2008 Anthology of Younger Poets. His chapbook, YOU BEING YOU BY PROXY, is out on Kitchen Press. His full length manuscript, TWENTY FIVE POEMS IN ICELAND AND OTHER POEMS, was a finalist for the 2006 May Swenson Poetry Award. He is Editor of LIT magazine and lives in New York City. http://www.mipoesias.com http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Fri Nov 10 19:19:58 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:19:58 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] A poet's ideal library References: Message-ID: <005201c70527$1f0e6910$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> I suppose "reading for writing," which is, at its best, totally idiosynratic, falls under "Misc. Texts." ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] A poet's ideal library The Complete Perfectionist by Juan Ramon Jim?nez (translated and edited by Christopher Maurer) -- People are probably tiring of this thread, but I've been thinking more and more about the subject (as I'm trying to build this list, which I'll share when completed...idiosyncratically selected as it may be). The above books is not really essential reading. It falls into that category of the little, exquisite book full of interesting insights, assertions, fragments, paragraphs about poetry, being a poet and a artist in the world. So then let me list the categories of the books in a 'poet's ideal library'. I want to veer away from 'ownership'... because to own a lot of books is an investment in both money and space (which costs money) and may not be within the means of some poets or against certain poet's way of being in the world. And there are, for now, still libraries and inter-library loan and such, so books can be gotten hold of and can be read without being owned. I. General Reference: 1) Dictionaries (English, Foreign, Dead Languages), 2) Encyclopedia, Overviews, Guidebooks, Glossaries to Particular Subjects likely to be useful in making poems: History, English Grammar/Linguistics, Philosophy, History, The Bible, Famous Quotations, Art, etc. II. Reference Texts Specific to Poetry: 1) Handbook of Literary Terms 2) Guide to Poetry Forms & Meters 3) Rhyming Dictionary (useful even to free verse poets) 4) Poetry Reference Guide/Encyclopedia: Short entries on terms, concepts, movements, and key poets. III. Books Related Poetry Praxis: 1) Practical handbooks that help poet's understand the mechanics of writing poems; focus method and technique. 2) Poets explaining the process of constructing their own poems, choices made in process of making the poem. 3) Manuscript Analysis, great poems review in stage of draft or famous manupulated to make a point about the construction. IV. Critical Writings (generally written by academic scholars & critics) 1) Scholarly critical treatments of particular poets/periods/movements 2) Theory/Poetics V. Poetry & Art-Related Essays (Generally written by poets & artists) 1) Essays related to writing in general 2) Specific essays dealing with a topic/theme in poetry and poetry writing 3) Essays that address being an artist, the imagination, creativity, etc. VI. Poet & Artist Interviews VII. Poet & Artist Letters and Journals VIII. Poet & Artist Biographies (& Autobiographies) IX. Quote Books/Commonplace Books X. Misc. Texts: These being books that have somehow informed one?s poetry in an important way. Examples might be: Stanislavki?s On Acting, Book of the Japanese Tea Ceremony, Fydor Dostoevsky?s The Idiot, Wittgenstein?s Tractatus, etc.; being influential to a particular poet and therefore idiosyncratically chosen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I then popped off about the value of politics (as opposed to political science, I might insert--as a gesture toward Anny's response to what I said) because of my annoyance with current politics, particularly an election in which no one running for office on either side, so far as I know, said anything intelligent (i.e., accidentally committed political science). I should probably have resisted my pop-off. While I do believe in what I said, I don't have time to defend it. Basically, I believe people like me have only one sane political recourse--hiding from the morons in power. So I really must try harder to keep from popping of on this subject. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"This is not a suicide." > > In the case of Sexton, as is sometimes wont to happen when the > public reviews the life and death of someone famous, the > circumstances of the latter tend to overshadow the events of the > former. > > Salome Jens' one-woman show "...about Anne," playing at CSU- > Monterey Bay's World Theater tonight (Thursday) at 7:30 p.m., > attempts to magnify the life moments. > > With no narration or filler beyond the poetry itself, Jens has > chosen and ordered Sexton's poems to shape the poet's story. Her > dramatic delivery of "...about Anne" has won a DramaLogue Award and > a Bay Area Critic's Circle Award. > > Jens, an accomplished actress currently performing to critical > acclaim in "Leipzek" at the Marilyn Monroe Theatre in Los Angeles, > said her work with Sexton is unique. > > "This is the first time alone on stage, me and the audience. And > Anne," she said, "because the stuff is so powerful." > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LauraHeidy at aol.com Fri Nov 10 23:09:01 2006 From: LauraHeidy at aol.com (LauraHeidy at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:09:01 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Bringing poet Anne Sexton to life through her poetry Message-ID: <40a.c4c6979.3286a6dd@aol.com> In a message dated 11/10/2006 10:59:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cstroffo at earthlink.net writes: I wonder if she does the Anne Sexton rock band stuff at all... I dunno if she does....but the following sounds interesting in its own right: ______________________________________ Tapestry of Voices and the Forest Hills Educational Trust present CELEBRATING ANNE SEXTON with poets Lois Ames, Suzanne Berger, Robert J. Clawson and Victor Howes Sunday, December 10 at 2 pm in Forsyth Chapel at historic Forest Hills Cemetery 95 Forest Hills Avenue, Boston MA If she were alive, Anne Sexton would turn 78 this year. Many of her friends, students, and colleagues are still around, though, and still celebrating her as a poet and a force. This November 12, they?ll gather for a fifth annual tribute at Forsyth Chapel, reading her iconoclastic poetry and their own. The reading ends with a walk to Sexton?s burial site on the surrounding grounds of Forest Hills Cemetery in Jamaica Plain. People who love Sexton?s poetry - her rawness, her energy, her way with words - would do well to attend the celebration. This is a chance to meet Victor Howes, who knew Anne as a member of the New England Poetry Club; Lois Ames, who edited Sexton?s "Life in Letters"; Robert J. Clawson, who managed her band, "Anne Sexton and Her Kind"; and Suzanne Berger, one of her students at B.U.. Anne Sexton stirred up trouble with her poetry, and in her personal life. She was wild, transgressive, and wildly intelligent, a break-out from the suburban middle class. Her poetry still exudes disturbance, excitement, electricity. Its aggressive honesty still influences poetry today. Admission: $5. Directions and details at _www.foresthillstrust.org_ (http://www.foresthillstrust.org/) or 617.524.0128. PLENTY OF PARKING -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cstroffo at earthlink.net Fri Nov 10 23:17:37 2006 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:17:37 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bringing poet Anne Sexton to life through her poetry In-Reply-To: <40a.c4c6979.3286a6dd@aol.com> References: <40a.c4c6979.3286a6dd@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Laura--- I know Clawson was in her original rock band back in 69ish. When we did that big Anne Sexton tribute for the Poetry Society of America back in 2001 (when we recreated her rock band), Clawson was invited to speak... Anyway, it's interesting that Sexton's rock band isn't that talked about. She actually did it before Ginsberg did.... It was very hard to track down some cassettes of this work (since it hasn't been officially released), but it was a fascinating document. If I ever meet Patti Smith for instance, I have to ask her if she was aware of it---because there are some similarities at times.....Chris On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:09 PM, LauraHeidy at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/10/2006 10:59:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > cstroffo at earthlink.net writes: > I wonder if she does the Anne Sexton rock band stuff at all... > > I dunno if she does....but the following sounds interesting in its > own right: > ______________________________________ > > > Tapestry of Voices and the Forest Hills Educational Trust present > CELEBRATING ANNE SEXTON > > with poets Lois Ames, Suzanne Berger, Robert J. Clawson and Victor > Howes > Sunday, December 10 at 2 pm > in Forsyth Chapel at historic Forest Hills Cemetery > 95 Forest Hills Avenue, Boston MA > > If she were alive, Anne Sexton would turn 78 this year. Many of her > friends, students, and colleagues are still around, though, and > still celebrating her as a poet and a force. This November 12, they?ll > gather for a fifth annual tribute at Forsyth Chapel, reading her > iconoclastic poetry and their own. The reading ends with a walk to > Sexton?s > burial site on the surrounding grounds of Forest Hills Cemetery in > Jamaica > Plain. > > People who love Sexton?s poetry - her rawness, her energy, her way > with > words - would do well to attend the celebration. This is a chance > to meet > Victor Howes, who knew Anne as a member of the New England Poetry > Club; Lois Ames, who edited Sexton?s "Life in Letters"; Robert J. > Clawson, who managed her band, "Anne Sexton and Her Kind"; and > Suzanne Berger, one > of her students at B.U.. > > Anne Sexton stirred up trouble with her poetry, and in her personal > life. She was wild, transgressive, and wildly intelligent, a break- > out from the suburban middle class. Her poetry still exudes > disturbance, excitement, electricity. Its aggressive honesty still > influences poetry today. > > Admission: $5. Directions and details at www.foresthillstrust.org or > 617.524.0128. PLENTY OF PARKING > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From queenmouse at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 08:52:16 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:52:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections In-Reply-To: <00f701c70532$6b8795e0$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <000001c70508$2b4c0cb0$f4954682@win.louisiana.edu> <00f701c70532$6b8795e0$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: On 11/10/06, Bob Grumman wrote: I then popped off about the value of politics (as opposed to political > science, I might insert--as a gesture toward Anny's response to what I said) > because of my annoyance with current politics, > I share that visceral annoyance, believe me. I think it is unfortunate but inevitable that when the word "political" comes up people immediately think of politicians, elections, bureaucratic bickering and incompetence, and a whole slew of very dismal things. Which was why I attempted to expand the meaning somewhat to get closer to the original meaning "polis", of the people. Meaning nobody is an island living separately from the rest of the human race or the issues that effect all of us. I have nothing but respect for a decision to hide from the morons in power (its what I do best, frankly) but I just wanted to point out that this too is a kind of political decision. Silence is a statement. Refusal to engange is a statement. Maybe it is the wisest statement. Anyway, cheers. I've enjoyed talking about this subject and I hope I didn't hijack the thread too much. :-) Suzanne -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it is unfortunate but inevitable that when the word "political" comes up people immediately think of politicians, elections, bureaucratic bickering and incompetence, and a whole slew of very dismal things. Which was why I attempted to expand the meaning somewhat to get closer to the original meaning "polis", of the people. Meaning nobody is an island living separately from the rest of the human race or the issues that effect all of us. I have nothing but respect for a decision to hide from the morons in power (its what I do best, frankly) but I just wanted to point out that this too is a kind of political decision. Silence is a statement. Refusal to engange is a statement. Maybe it is the wisest statement. Anyway, cheers. I've enjoyed talking about this subject and I hope I didn't hijack the thread too much. :-) Suzanne -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: TheOldMole Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A poet's ideal library I suppose "reading for writing," which is, at its best, totally idiosynratic, falls under "Misc. Texts." From: JforJames at aol.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:41 PM The Complete Perfectionist by Juan Ramon Jim?nez (translated and edited by Christopher Maurer) -- People are probably tiring of this thread, but I've been thinking more and more about the subject (as I'm trying to build this list, which I'll share when completed...idiosyncratically selected as it may be). The above books is not really essential reading. It falls into that category of the little, exquisite book full of interesting insights, assertions, fragments, paragraphs about poetry, being a poet and a artist in the world. So then let me list the categories of the books in a 'poet's ideal library'. I want to veer away from 'ownership'... because to own a lot of books is an investment in both money and space (which costs money) and may not be within the means of some poets or against certain poet's way of being in the world. And there are, for now, still libraries and inter-library loan and such, so books can be gotten hold of and can be read without being owned. I. General Reference: 1) Dictionaries (English, Foreign, Dead Languages), 2) Encyclopedia, Overviews, Guidebooks, Glossaries to Particular Subjects likely to be useful in making poems: History, English Grammar/Linguistics, Philosophy, History, The Bible, Famous Quotations, Art, etc. II. Reference Texts Specific to Poetry: 1) Handbook of Literary Terms 2) Guide to Poetry Forms & Meters 3) Rhyming Dictionary (useful even to free verse poets) 4) Poetry Reference Guide/Encyclopedia: Short entries on terms, concepts, movements, and key poets. III. Books Related Poetry Praxis: 1) Practical handbooks that help poet's understand the mechanics of writing poems; focus method and technique. 2) Poets explaining the process of constructing their own poems, choices made in process of making the poem. 3) Manuscript Analysis, great poems review in stage of draft or famous manupulated to make a point about the construction. IV. Critical Writings (generally written by academic scholars & critics) 1) Scholarly critical treatments of particular poets/periods/movements 2) Theory/Poetics V. Poetry & Art-Related Essays (Generally written by poets & artists) 1) Essays related to writing in general 2) Specific essays dealing with a topic/theme in poetry and poetry writing 3) Essays that address being an artist, the imagination, creativity, etc. VI. Poet & Artist Interviews VII. Poet & Artist Letters and Journals VIII. Poet & Artist Biographies (& Autobiographies) IX. Quote Books/Commonplace Books X. Misc. Texts: These being books that have somehow informed one?s poetry in an important way. Examples might be: Stanislavki?s On Acting, Book of the Japanese Tea Ceremony, Fydor Dostoevsky?s The Idiot, Wittgenstein?s Tractatus, etc.; being influential to a particular poet and therefore idiosyncratically chosen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From queenmouse at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 14:15:24 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:15:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections In-Reply-To: <002801c705a1$c8c1dc10$94b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <000001c70508$2b4c0cb0$f4954682@win.louisiana.edu> <00f701c70532$6b8795e0$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <002801c705a1$c8c1dc10$94b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: Hahaha! All your base is belong to us! Cheers, Suzanne On 11/11/06, Bob Grumman wrote: > > We need more of just your kind of hijacking, Suzanne, so keep it up. > > all best, Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Suzanne Burns > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Sent:* Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:52 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections > > > > On 11/10/06, Bob Grumman wrote: > > I then popped off about the value of politics (as opposed to political > > science, I might insert--as a gesture toward Anny's response to what I said) > > because of my annoyance with current politics, > > > > > I share that visceral annoyance, believe me. I think it is unfortunate > but inevitable that when the word "political" comes up people immediately > think of politicians, elections, bureaucratic bickering and incompetence, > and a whole slew of very dismal things. Which was why I attempted to expand > the meaning somewhat to get closer to the original meaning "polis", of the > people. Meaning nobody is an island living separately from the rest of the > human race or the issues that effect all of us. I have nothing but respect > for a decision to hide from the morons in power (its what I do best, > frankly) but I just wanted to point out that this too is a kind of > political decision. Silence is a statement. Refusal to engange is a > statement. Maybe it is the wisest statement. > > Anyway, cheers. I've enjoyed talking about this subject and I hope I > didn't hijack the thread too much. > > :-) > > Suzanne > > > > > -- > "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what > your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and > you have style." > > --Quentin Crisp > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:06 PM Thomas Mann, The enchanted Mountain / later: Buddenbrooks Robert Musil: The man without qualities Gargantua and Pantagruel by Francois Rabelais Thomas Hardy: Tess of the D'Urbervilles Gabriel Garcia Marquez: One hundred years of solitude Salman Rushdie: Midnight's Children Collected by Friedrich Nietzsche Michel de Montaigne Malcolm Lowry: Under the Volcano; Dark as the Grave Wherein My Friend is Laid Somerset Maugham: Of Human Bondage; Collected Short Stories Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa: The Leopard all good books that I enjoyed. From: TheOldMole Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A poet's ideal library I suppose "reading for writing," which is, at its best, totally idiosynratic, falls under "Misc. Texts." From: JforJames at aol.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:41 PM The Complete Perfectionist by Juan Ramon Jim?nez (translated and edited by Christopher Maurer) -- People are probably tiring of this thread, but I've been thinking more and more about the subject (as I'm trying to build this list, which I'll share when completed...idiosyncratically selected as it may be). The above books is not really essential reading. It falls into that category of the little, exquisite book full of interesting insights, assertions, fragments, paragraphs about poetry, being a poet and a artist in the world. So then let me list the categories of the books in a 'poet's ideal library'. I want to veer away from 'ownership'... because to own a lot of books is an investment in both money and space (which costs money) and may not be within the means of some poets or against certain poet's way of being in the world. And there are, for now, still libraries and inter-library loan and such, so books can be gotten hold of and can be read without being owned. I. General Reference: 1) Dictionaries (English, Foreign, Dead Languages), 2) Encyclopedia, Overviews, Guidebooks, Glossaries to Particular Subjects likely to be useful in making poems: History, English Grammar/Linguistics, Philosophy, History, The Bible, Famous Quotations, Art, etc. II. Reference Texts Specific to Poetry: 1) Handbook of Literary Terms 2) Guide to Poetry Forms & Meters 3) Rhyming Dictionary (useful even to free verse poets) 4) Poetry Reference Guide/Encyclopedia: Short entries on terms, concepts, movements, and key poets. III. Books Related Poetry Praxis: 1) Practical handbooks that help poet's understand the mechanics of writing poems; focus method and technique. 2) Poets explaining the process of constructing their own poems, choices made in process of making the poem. 3) Manuscript Analysis, great poems review in stage of draft or famous manupulated to make a point about the construction. IV. Critical Writings (generally written by academic scholars & critics) 1) Scholarly critical treatments of particular poets/periods/movements 2) Theory/Poetics V. Poetry & Art-Related Essays (Generally written by poets & artists) 1) Essays related to writing in general 2) Specific essays dealing with a topic/theme in poetry and poetry writing 3) Essays that address being an artist, the imagination, creativity, etc. VI. Poet & Artist Interviews VII. Poet & Artist Letters and Journals VIII. Poet & Artist Biographies (& Autobiographies) IX. Quote Books/Commonplace Books X. Misc. Texts: These being books that have somehow informed one?s poetry in an important way. Examples might be: Stanislavki?s On Acting, Book of the Japanese Tea Ceremony, Fydor Dostoevsky?s The Idiot, Wittgenstein?s Tractatus, etc.; being influential to a particular poet and therefore idiosyncratically chosen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at pavementsaw.org Sun Nov 12 12:43:20 2006 From: editor at pavementsaw.org (David Baratier) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:43:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: list In-Reply-To: <200611121700.kACH04oP010468@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20061112174320.85055.qmail@web83105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Glad to see we are separating this into sections. Under reference I would like to add _The World of Mathematics_ Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus, OH 43206 http://pavementsaw.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tad at opus40.org Sun Nov 12 13:38:00 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:38:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Made entirely of error References: Message-ID: <003c01c70689$ae4da9c0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> And this is a ghazal because...? ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Made entirely of error Sheffield Ghazal 4: Driving West A tractor-trailer carrying two dozen crushed automobiles overtakes a tractor-trailer carrying a dozen new. Oil is a form of waiting. The internal combustion engine converts the stasis of millennia into motion. Cars howl on rain-wetted roads. Airplanes rise through the downpour and throw us through the blue sky. The idea of the airplane subverts earthly life. Computers can deliver nuclear explosions to precisely anywhere on earth. A lightning bolt is made entirely of error. Erratic Mercurys and errant Cavaliers roam the highways. A girl puts her head on a boy's shoulder; they are driving west. The windshiled wipers wipe, homesickness one way, wanderlust the other, back and forth. This happened to your father and to you Galway--sick to stay, longing to come up against the ends of the earth, and climb over --Galway Kinnell. *Imperfect Thirst*. Houghton Mifflin, 1994. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexdickow9 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 12 14:17:00 2006 From: alexdickow9 at yahoo.com (Alexander Dickow) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:17:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] to anny: books In-Reply-To: <200611121700.kACH04oQ010468@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20061112191700.30479.qmail@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anny, If you're going to include Rabelais P + G, than you _must_ include the Third and Fourth books, at least as a gesture to those of us who believe (rightly or not) that they're superior to the first two books. But nice list! Amicalement, Alex www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Nov 12 14:53:32 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:53:32 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] to anny: books References: <20061112191700.30479.qmail@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013801c70694$3ca10320$2fad3452@ANNY> ah oui, bien sure! did I list : A' rebours (Against the Grain -or- Against Nature -in English) by Joris-Karl Huysmans, a good "brick" I cherished. Here is another one: Perfume: The Story of a Murderer by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_S%C3%BCskind and Proust, the entire "chest of drawers" as Beckett defined it when he went to the market and bought the complete set. and P?re Ubu by Alfred Jarry, that made my youth with his pataphysics. From: "Alexander Dickow" Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:17 PM > Anny, > If you're going to include Rabelais P + G, than you > _must_ include the Third and Fourth books, at least as > a gesture to those of us who believe (rightly or not) > that they're superior to the first two books. But nice > list! > Amicalement, > Alex > > > www.alexdickow.net/blog/ > > les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin > merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Nov 12 15:36:42 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:36:42 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Made entirely of error In-Reply-To: <003c01c70689$ae4da9c0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> References: <003c01c70689$ae4da9c0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <5FD2A279-E82E-4801-8864-779087E694F7@ripon.edu> On Nov 12, 2006, at 12:38 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > And this is a ghazal because...? ===================== Because Galway says so, I suppose. Like Gerald Stern's or Halvard Johnson's sonnets, etc. But I do like the poem, whatever it is. It's been such a long while since *The Book of Nightmares*, *Body Rags*, and so forth, that I sometimes forget to pay attention to Kinnell. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Graham > To: NewPoetry & Views > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:46 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Made entirely of error > > Sheffield Ghazal 4: Driving West > > A tractor-trailer carrying two dozen crushed automobiles overtakes > a tractor-trailer carrying a dozen new. > Oil is a form of waiting. > The internal combustion engine converts the stasis of millennia > into motion. > Cars howl on rain-wetted roads. > Airplanes rise through the downpour and throw us through the blue sky. > The idea of the airplane subverts earthly life. > Computers can deliver nuclear explosions to precisely anywhere on > earth. > A lightning bolt is made entirely of error. > Erratic Mercurys and errant Cavaliers roam the highways. > A girl puts her head on a boy's shoulder; they are driving west. > The windshiled wipers wipe, homesickness one way, wanderlust the > other, back and forth. > This happened to your father and to you Galway--sick to stay, > longing to come up against the ends of the earth, and climb over > > --Galway Kinnell. *Imperfect Thirst*. Houghton Mifflin, 1994. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Nov 12 17:29:52 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:29:52 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections References: <58d.63b5eb4.3286655d@cs.com> Message-ID: <017601c706aa$12c33b20$2fad3452@ANNY> I am digging down to some mails I did not read before. I find that the idea of a movie on the murder of anybody is disgusting, the more against the President. I think this lack of respect towards Constitution will hit us hard when we will be older, the new generations show less and less respect. Many times with the teachers we talk of the carelessness of our students, and I teach at a private school run by nuns, thus model students compared to the public. From a questionnaire addressed to teachers what ended up recording the highest score under what does not work at school now were the Parents of the Students. If you give an insufficient mark be sure that on the following day you will have to deal with the Headmistress who was pestered on the phone by a mum or a dad, and at the first meeting with the parents of the "poor sensitive child beaten by your wrong evaluation". Not even in front of a test all corrected in red will they surrender. Is this education? What is this, a market to forge donkeys? As I think that Levertov's poem stinks, if it is what she wrote. As revolting is another poem I read on another list that indirectly praised the atrocity of 9/11. I am sure that James Finnegan didn't see the situation in this way. He was talking from his personal point of view which is also mine. We know that politicians are usually corrupted (you should come to Italy for a while before speaking) and bring forth their own immediate interest. Would we do the same were we given enough power? I do not know, since I never had it, but yes, some would pay for what I had to endure, I might limit myself it to my personal sphere. From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:29 AM Read Levertov's poems c. 1972 when she describes throwing napalm into Kissinger's face and stabbing Nixon. This kind of courage could only exist in a society that protects free speech. Did Levertov suffer any recriminations? Nope. Are you aware that a movie that depicts the assassination of the current President is now in release (though some theater chains have chosen not to show it) in this country? Still, it will be available on dvd in a few months. 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URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Nov 13 13:26:14 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:26:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: A poet's ideal library In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F067AE7-430C-46C2-8779-F717BCDDB3EA@earthlink.net> Ideally, the poet's ideal library would consist of shelf after shelf of gilt-edged, leather-bound volumes of blank pages. To impress one's friends and/or enemies, there would be titles on the spines such as "Irish Erotic Verse," "Apples That Keep Doctors Away," "Frigates," and so on. Hal "One barium enema is worth a year of psychoanalysis." --Dr. Robert Whitlock Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Nov 13 14:31:52 2006 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:31:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry as a common language In-Reply-To: <954A5413620E074797298540927621C50C101893@sjcexchange.SJC.EDU> References: <954A5413620E074797298540927621C50C101893@sjcexchange.SJC.EDU> Message-ID: <8C8D5718197C640-834-830@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3327548,00.html Poetry as a common language Syrian poet recites Arabic translation of Hebrew poem at Spanish poetry festival Itamar Eichner Published: 11.13.06, 12:50 Had it been up to the poets, perhaps peace between Syria and Israel would have been established long ago. This was the obvious conclusion reached several days ago at the poetry festival held in Lleida, Spain. It was where Israeli poets Ronny Somek, the celebrated Syrian Lebanese poet Adonis and the Syrian poetess Maram al-Misri found a common language. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Mon Nov 13 18:08:12 2006 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:08:12 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] my book list In-Reply-To: <954A5413620E074797298540927621C50C101893@sjcexchange.SJC.EDU> References: <954A5413620E074797298540927621C50C101893@sjcexchange.SJC.EDU> Message-ID: <8C8D58FBA1E34A7-7B0-1350@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Nice list, Dennis. First architect...Robt Venturi...to make the list. Also, I think the first Levertov sighting...which is surprising that she wasn't brought up earlier. This weekend I started to add to the list I had started, and consolidated my personal list of many suggestions made by NewPoetry people, and I'm already well over 100 titles, and that doesn't count the 'miscellaneous titles', those that one normally wouldn't say are related to poetry, poetry writing or being an artist. If people on this list know some off-list poets who might like to play the game, please query them for titles. The question is now: "What books have been important to you as a poet?" or "If asked to stock a poet's ideal library, what books would place on the shelves?" But no collections of poems allowed. Anyway, I'm looking for more responses to this question...exhaustive is out of the question...but comprehensive is still a goal. Once the list is assembled to a point I'm satisfied with its scope, I plan to re-post the entire list and ask to more questions... Ok, what got missed? And, if you had your pick of only 10 titles, what we they be? Finnegan -----Original Message----- From: dbarone at sjc.edu To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 2:11 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] my book list Here are the books that have been especially meaningful to me as a poet. These are not books of poetry or fiction. Robert Venturi, Learning from Las Vegas Paul Auster, The Invention of Solitude Ralph Waldo Emerson, Selected Essays William Carlos Williams, The Embodiment of Knowledge Ezra Pound, ABC of Reading Wallace Stevens, The Necessary Angel Susan Howe, My Emily Dickinson Denise Levertov, The Poet in the World Gaston Bachelard, The Poetics of Space Dennis Barone _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Tue Nov 14 09:16:04 2006 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:16:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: NOVEMBER 14 @ 7PM: Edward Hirsch on Federico Garcia Lorca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C8D60E8DEB04FE-12C8-2F3A@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> From: announce at poetshouse.org To: jforjames at aol.com Sent: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 9:01 PM Subject: NOVEMBER 14 @ 7PM: Edward Hirsch on Federico Garcia Lorca Branching Out NYC Tuesday, November 14, 7:00 pm Edward Hirsch on Federico Garc?a Lorca Learn about one of the greatest Spanish poets of the 20th Century from one of the most acclaimed and beloved American poets, Edward Hirsch. 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Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkotin at uchicago.edu Tue Nov 14 16:00:12 2006 From: jkotin at uchicago.edu (Joshua Kotin) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:00:12 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?utf-8?q?Johnston_/_Robertson_/_Wilkinson_?= =?utf-8?q?=EF=A3=A6_Chicago_Review_Party?= Message-ID: <822D2CD4-6EBB-459C-A639-AD02E35ACE1B@uchicago.edu> Chicago Review invites you to a party! On November 17, to celebrate its 60th anniversary & the publication of its latest issue, a party, featuring short readings by: + Devin Johnston + Lisa Robertson + John Wilkinson + special surprise guests + + + + music by John Lennox & his band At Around the Coyote Gallery in Chicago, IL --- 1935 1/2 W. 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On 11/10/06 9:11 AM, "Suzanne Burns" wrote: > My own thoughts on this subject: > > I really think that to say anything at all, to presume that one's thoughts > could possibly be important and worthy of being recorded, to address a > political issue and have an opinion AND/OR to assume the priviledge of > ignoring "politics" and claiming that they have no bearing on your life or > perspective... > > Is. All. Inherently. Political. I'm sorry if this seems like anything other > than an expansive perspective. I'll try to explain why. > > You see, I have this conversation a lot when the conversation turns to race or > class. Typically it is individuals who enjoy the highest levels of privilege > who assume that such things really aren't important and not relevant to their > lives, their speech, or the way they go about their day. That is after all > the privilege of being a part of a dominant group-- you get to brush off such > dirty subjects and pretend that they have no bearing on you. > > You can write a poem about the ducks in your backyard and pretend that your > race/class has nothing whatever to do with the fact that you even have a > backyard. Pretty, yes. Enjoy it by all means. I mean that. But please > don't pretend that this is not a privilege. And unless you really believe > that this privilege has some sort of natural basis ( i.e., you believe it is > right and natural that you should have the option of ignoring race, class, or > the war in Iraq because you are white, American and male-- in which case you > and I are going to have words) please don't pretend that it is not political. > Because it is. You are there and it is there because of politics. > > Back to poetry. I work like a dog at my coporate job which I am grateful to > have, and have to work rather hard to sculpt out that time I need for writing > and reading poetry. We live in a cultural where the almighty dollar has a lot > of power (and if you are unaware of this, I am likely to conclude that you > probably have a awful lot of dollars-- which buys you the privilege of not > having to think about them) and making time for something which is never going > to produce more dollars is a consciously spiritual, political, and subversive > act. > > Subversive? Making time for this means unmaking time for something else that > the culture dictates is more important (money, family, civic duties). So yes, > subversive. Even if I just write about those ducks, that act of doing is > political. And while I am writing those ducks, I will probably be conscious > of how it is I came about to be sitting in this yard and looking at such > creatures instead of looking at a war zone-- because that is what I am: > someone who knows she isn't too far away from such things. And if I am not? > Sorry, willful ignorance, cocooning, putting up even necessary walls is a > political act and persepective. > > I admit I have trouble lsitening to people who insist that there is nothing > political in what they do or say, because that very statement, to me, reveals > a kind of myopia. Its a little bit like how I have trouble listening to > someone who is white, well-educated, able-bodied and from Northern California > complain about poor and disadvantaged they are because they don't also have a > nice house and a pair of Manolo Blahniks. Its an inherently skewed > perspective and it shows a profound lack of awareness-- which I admit, and > maybe this is my limitation, I cannot respect. > > My two bits for the day, > > Suzanne Burns -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Nov 15 16:21:23 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:21:23 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the elections References: Message-ID: <001401c708fc$00bc26e0$dfd93052@ANNY> Re: [New-Poetry] Thought for the day after the electionsIt is all so much more complicated. White male British, from Wales, northern California, back and front yard. Father committed suicide when he was a kid, a twin brother. Problems with esophagus, surgery almost 60 years ago, a mess. Health problems. Wonderful career, made redundant, well-educated, good manners, physically attractive, health problems, back and front yard, expert in many things, little occasional jobs, open-minded, health problems. This is one of the myriad. 50, in the north of the States, extremely well educated, poet, writer, translator, ex-editor, stomach tumor, only son, father terminal for years, hasn't moved from his bed, mother sort of mad, sick, back and front yard, no ducks, unpaid social work, tumor, no insurance, parents sick. ... From: Elaine Brown Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:16 AM What she said. On 11/10/06 9:11 AM, "Suzanne Burns" wrote: My own thoughts on this subject: I really think that to say anything at all, to presume that one's thoughts could possibly be important and worthy of being recorded, to address a political issue and have an opinion AND/OR to assume the priviledge of ignoring "politics" and claiming that they have no bearing on your life or perspective... Is. All. Inherently. Political. I'm sorry if this seems like anything other than an expansive perspective. I'll try to explain why. You see, I have this conversation a lot when the conversation turns to race or class. Typically it is individuals who enjoy the highest levels of privilege who assume that such things really aren't important and not relevant to their lives, their speech, or the way they go about their day. That is after all the privilege of being a part of a dominant group-- you get to brush off such dirty subjects and pretend that they have no bearing on you. You can write a poem about the ducks in your backyard and pretend that your race/class has nothing whatever to do with the fact that you even have a backyard. Pretty, yes. Enjoy it by all means. I mean that. But please don't pretend that this is not a privilege. And unless you really believe that this privilege has some sort of natural basis ( i.e, you believe it is right and natural that you should have the option of ignoring race, class, or the war in Iraq because you are white, American and male-- in which case you and I are going to have words) please don't pretend that it is not political. Because it is. You are there and it is there because of politics. Back to poetry. I work like a dog at my coporate job which I am grateful to have, and have to work rather hard to sculpt out that time I need for writing and reading poetry. We live in a cultural where the almighty dollar has a lot of power (and if you are unaware of this, I am likely to conclude that you probably have a awful lot of dollars-- which buys you the privilege of not having to think about them) and making time for something which is never going to produce more dollars is a consciously spiritual, political, and subversive act. Subversive? Making time for this means unmaking time for something else that the culture dictates is more important (money, family, civic duties) So yes, subversive. Even if I just write about those ducks, that act of doing is political. And while I am writing those ducks, I will probably be conscious of how it is I came about to be sitting in this yard and looking at such creatures instead of looking at a war zone-- because that is what I am: someone who knows she isn't too far away from such things. And if I am not? Sorry, willful ignorance, cocooning, putting up even necessary walls is a political act and persepective. I admit I have trouble lsitening to people who insist that there is nothing political in what they do or say, because that very statement, to me, reveals a kind of myopia. Its a little bit like how I have trouble listening to someone who is white, well-educated, able-bodied and from Northern California complain about poor and disadvantaged they are because they don't also have a nice house and a pair of Manolo Blahniks. Its an inherently skewed perspective and it shows a profound lack of awareness-- which I admit, and maybe this is my limitation, I cannot respect. My two bits for the day, Suzanne Burns -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are not fooled by this odd November summer, though we stand in our doorways wearing cotton dresses. We are watching them as they swoop and gather-- the shadow of wings falls over the heart. When they rustle among the empty branches, the trees must think their lost leaves have come back. The birds are heading south, instinct is the oldest story. They fly over their doubles, the mute weathervanes, teaching all of us with their tailfeathers the true north. Reprinted from "The Imperfect Paradise," by Linda Pastan. Copyright (c) 1988 by Linda Pastan. With permission of the publisher, W.W. Norton & Company, Inc. Ms. Pastan's most recent book is "Queen of a Rainy Country," W.W. Norton & Company, Inc., 2006. This weekly column is supported by The Poetry Foundation, The Library of Congress, and the Department of English at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. This column does not accept unsolicited poetry. ****************************** American Life in Poetry provides newspapers and online publications with a free weekly column featuring contemporary American poems. The sole mission of this project is to promote poetry: American Life in Poetry seeks to create a vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. There are no costs for reprinting the columns; we do require that you register your publication here and that the text of the column be reproduced without alteration. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Thu Nov 16 12:51:37 2006 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:51:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Tomorrow, Tomorrow, I love ya ... In-Reply-To: <20061116103140.28364.qmail@web90311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061116175137.74359.qmail@web83107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MiPOesias Presents **** JANET HOLMES, KATE GREENSTREET, and JUSTIN MARKS **** ** Amy King Hosts ** ** Shanna Compton Guest Hosts the Other Half ** 7 PM, Friday, November 17, 2006 Stain Bar 766 Grand Steet Brooklyn , NY 11211 (718) 387-7840 http://www.stainbar.com [Grand stop on the L TRAIN] _____________ Janet Holmes is author of F2F (forthcoming from U of Notre Dame Press), HUMANOPHONE, THE GREEN TUXEDO, and THE PHYSICIST AT THE MALL. She directs (edits, designs, typesets, and otherwise runs) AHSAHTA PRESS, an all-poetry press at Boise State University. She also teaches in the MFA program there. Kate Greenstreet's chapbook, LEARNING THE LANGUAGE, was published by Etherdome Press in 2005, and her first full-length book, CASE SENSITIVE, will be out from Ahsahta Press in September 2006. Her blog is at http://wwwkickingwind.com. Justin Marks has poems in recent issues of The Literary Review, Typo, Word For/ Word, Black Warrior Review and Coconut, and forthcoming from Fulcrum, H_NGM_N, and the Outside Voices 2008 Anthology of Younger Poets. His chapbook, YOU BEING YOU BY PROXY, is out on Kitchen Press. His full length manuscript, TWENTY FIVE POEMS IN ICELAND AND OTHER POEMS, was a finalist for the 2006 May Swenson Poetry Award. He is Editor of LIT magazine and lives in New York City. http://www.mipoesias.com http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com --------------------------------- Sponsored Link $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/month - Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 17 01:24:58 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:24:58 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange References: <200611081700.kA8H05oQ007404@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <56560.205.201.10.98.1163133990.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com> Message-ID: <000901c70a11$1c907720$95c10556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Richard I'm jealous: that you saw Wright read. I'm a fan (but not of Bly) Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:46 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange > Cris, > > When this happened, i.e., when Wright spoke that line, I remember > distinctly that a strange mad truth had been uttered. Everybody in the > hall was looking at him, including Bly. Wright's eyes were black ovals, > fierce, and he was SEATED, at a remove, a distance from everybody, > including Bly. Bly loomed in his Indian poncho across the stage, turned > 90 degrees from the audience toward this man in arctic white shirt, > straight dropped down black tie. There wasn't anything one could do about > this man's dilemma, leaning out from our seats unable to touch him. > Wright was a serious character, an electric aura surrounded him like a > photographic negative. Bly had introduced him as the most significant > living poet. I remember thinking, "I wonder if Dabney Stuart is here > witnessing this?" I can't prove it but I believe that Bly had never heard > the poem before this moment, although he was Wright's champion and > publisher in his magazine, "The Sixties." Bly had explained part of his > theory regarding "Leaping Poetry." Upon the stage watched by all those > aristocratic Southern women was a potent, defiant demonstration of this > theory, hanging in the air like a smoke ring of dry ice. Caught Bly > flatfooted. > > It was an intense night. Bly also hit us with: "Johnson's Cabinet Watched > By Ants." As we say these days, a student of literature might be able to > get their head around one of these figures, but the two of them out up > there in the spotlights staring at the stage lights hitting them was > simply out of mental reach. > > I just remembered (perhaps) the title of Wright's poem: > > "Lying In A Hammock On William Duffy's Farm" > > RD > > > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:44:12 -0500 > From: cheekc > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange > > > indeed Richard, > > but what a way to waste it;) > > love and love > cris > > On Nov 7, 2006, at 4:58 PM, elemenope at icubed.com wrote: > > > I remember when Bly and Wright appeared on the same stage at > > Sweetbriar > > College in the Blue Ridge Mountains. > > Bly in serape introduced Wright in white shirt black tie as the > > greatest > > living poet. > > Wright recalled the poem wherein he announces while musing on a lawn > littered with whatnot that he because of poetry has wasted his life. RD > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 09:32:30 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:32:30 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] a virtual memorial for Jim Simmerman Message-ID: <648208b60611170632kf247ef1s5b885cafbab2cb27@mail.gmail.com> >A virtual memorial for Jim can be found on the Poetry Center website and >features photographs, sound clips, and other memorabilia. Follow the link >below to view. > > > >http://www.poetrycenter.arizona.edu/Memorial/simmerman_bgrd.html -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ From kpaul at mallasch.com Fri Nov 17 13:15:04 2006 From: kpaul at mallasch.com (kpaul mallasch) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:15:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] ergo poetry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061117131330.N10686@kpaul.spinweb.net> Free poetry! This weekend only! Poem blowout of mammoth proportions! hehe. ok, ok. it's free all the time. wanted to again invite everyone to the new site. not a lot of poets yet, but some definite (if unpolished) talent. http://www.ergopoetry.com thanks, k. paul mallasch http://www.kpaulmedia.com From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Nov 17 13:45:30 2006 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:45:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] So You Say You Want Some New Poetry? In-Reply-To: <20061117131330.N10686@kpaul.spinweb.net> Message-ID: <20061117184530.42865.qmail@web83110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MiPOesias presents ** Sina Queyras ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/queyras_sina.html ** Kevin McLellan ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/mclellan_kevin.html ** Sarah Birl ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/birl_sarah.html ** Carly Sachs ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/sachs_carly.html ** Rachel Loden ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/loden_rachel.html ** Mackenzie Carignan ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/carignan_mackenzie.html ** Chris Green ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/green_chris.html ** Jehanne Dubrow ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/dubrow_jehanne.html ** Kellie Raines ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/raines_kellie.html ** Andrew Levy ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/levy_andrew.html ** Tao Lin ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/lin_tao.html ** Ethan Paquin ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/paquin_ethan.html ** Laurie Price ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/price_laurie.html ** Anthony Lawrence ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/lawrence_anthony.html ** Nicole Steinberg ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/steinberg_nicole.html ** Teresa K. Miller ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/miller_teresa.html ** Larry Sawyers ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/sawyer_larry.html ** Kaya Oakes ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/oakes_kaya.html ** Bill Berkson ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/berkson_bill.html ** Lyn Lifshin ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/lifshin_lyn.html ** Luc Simonic ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/simonic_luc.html ** Gary Charles Wilkens ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/wilkens_gary.html ** Robyn Art ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/art_robyn.html ** Julia Hastain ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/hastain_julia.html ** Marcia Arrieta ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/arrieta_marcia.html ** John McKernan ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/mckernan_john.html ** Cosme Caballero ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/caballero_cosme.html ** Erica Miriam Fabri ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/fabri_erica.html ** Steven Schroeder ** http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/schroeder_steven.html Please enjoy! Amy King and Didi Menendez Managing Editor and Producer http://www.mipoesias.com http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hawkbrwn at msn.com Fri Nov 17 16:37:53 2006 From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:37:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] a virtual memorial for Jim Simmerman In-Reply-To: <648208b60611170632kf247ef1s5b885cafbab2cb27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Simmerman had a poem with a line in it something like "the next time I die/ let me stay dead." Prior to that line there is imagery of facing jaws and teeth, being down on your knees, etc. It's about dealing with heart break and disappointment, in case that isn't already obvious from my description. I think it is in his book _Moon Go Away, I Don't Love You No More_ but don't have a copy of that book. Is there anyone that knows that poem or could look it up for me? I'm wondering what the title of it is, and if that is the correct book. Sorry to be so obscure. On 11/17/06 9:32 AM, "James Cervantes" wrote: >> A virtual memorial for Jim can be found on the Poetry Center website and >> features photographs, sound clips, and other memorabilia. Follow the link >> below to view. >> >> >> >> http://www.poetrycenter.arizona.edu/Memorial/simmerman_bgrd.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Nov 17 17:49:25 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:49:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Now at my Blog and Entry on the Copyright Office References: <20061117131330.N10686@kpaul.spinweb.net> Message-ID: <005a01c70a9a$a3e8c1d0$2db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I'd be curious what New-Poetry people think of my latest blog entry (at http://comprepoetica.com/newblog/Index.html). I treat the copyright office's obtuse response to visual poetry the way I treat David Graham's. --Bob G. From elemenope at icubed.com Fri Nov 17 18:19:05 2006 From: elemenope at icubed.com (elemenope at icubed.com) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:19:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] RE: Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange In-Reply-To: <200611171700.kAHH04oQ010315@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200611171700.kAHH04oQ010315@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <49855.205.201.10.98.1163805545.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com> Birc - Jealous of me? It's been my little business to bear witness to many. But, that's not the point. It's Wright. Are you jealous of Wright? Me? Frankly, I was not jealous of him. Terrified, rather. R - - > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:24:58 -0000 > From: "David Bircumshaw" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <000901c70a11$1c907720$95c10556 at rayuv8pcloxi9v> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Richard > > I'm jealous: that you saw Wright read. I'm a fan (but not of Bly) > > Best > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:46 AM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange > > >> Cris, >> >> When this happened, i.e., when Wright spoke that line, I remember >> distinctly that a strange mad truth had been uttered. Everybody in the >> hall was looking at him, including Bly. Wright's eyes were black ovals, >> fierce, and he was SEATED, at a remove, a distance from everybody, >> including Bly. Bly loomed in his Indian poncho across the stage, turned >> 90 degrees from the audience toward this man in arctic white shirt, >> straight dropped down black tie. There wasn't anything one could do >> about >> this man's dilemma, leaning out from our seats unable to touch him. >> Wright was a serious character, an electric aura surrounded him like a >> photographic negative. Bly had introduced him as the most significant >> living poet. I remember thinking, "I wonder if Dabney Stuart is here >> witnessing this?" I can't prove it but I believe that Bly had never >> heard >> the poem before this moment, although he was Wright's champion and >> publisher in his magazine, "The Sixties." Bly had explained part of >> his >> theory regarding "Leaping Poetry." Upon the stage watched by all >> those >> aristocratic Southern women was a potent, defiant demonstration of this >> theory, hanging in the air like a smoke ring of dry ice. Caught Bly >> flatfooted. >> >> It was an intense night. Bly also hit us with: "Johnson's Cabinet >> Watched >> By Ants." As we say these days, a student of literature might be able >> to >> get their head around one of these figures, but the two of them out up >> there in the spotlights staring at the stage lights hitting them was >> simply out of mental reach. >> >> I just remembered (perhaps) the title of Wright's poem: >> >> "Lying In A Hammock On William Duffy's Farm" >> >> RD >> >> >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:44:12 -0500 >> From: cheekc >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange >> >> >> indeed Richard, >> >> but what a way to waste it;) >> >> love and love >> cris >> >> On Nov 7, 2006, at 4:58 PM, elemenope at icubed.com wrote: >> >> > I remember when Bly and Wright appeared on the same stage at >> > Sweetbriar >> > College in the Blue Ridge Mountains. >> > Bly in serape introduced Wright in white shirt black tie as the >> > greatest >> > living poet. >> > Wright recalled the poem wherein he announces while musing on a lawn >> littered with whatnot that he because of poetry has wasted his life. RD From JforJames at aol.com Sat Nov 18 12:12:44 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:12:44 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Photography from Poetry, Poetry from Photography Message-ID: Events This Week and Next _Amaud Jamaul Johnson_ (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=prmhyzbab.0.ipg8dzbab.xzxilxbab.139&ts=S0209&p=https://www.tupelopress.org/ajjohnson.shtml) (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=prmhyzbab.0.ipg8dzbab.xzxilxbab.139&ts=S0209&p=https://www.tupelopr ess.org/ajjohnson.shtml) SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 18, 2006 7:00 PM Reading Brazos Bookstore 2421 Bissonnet St Houston, TX Website: _http://www.brazosbookstore.com/_ (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=prmhyzbab.0.8jm75zbab.xzxilxbab.139&ts=S0209&p=javascript:createWindow('http://www.brazo sbookstore.com/','Window1','width=800,height=600,status,location,scrollbars,to olbar,resizable')) Cost: Free Reading from Red Summer ____________________________________ _Mong- Lan_ (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=prmhyzbab.0.ruceeybab.xzxilxbab.139&ts=S0209&p=https://www.tupelopress.org/monglan.shtml) (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=prmhyzbab.0.ruceeybab.xzxilxbab.139&ts=S0209&p=https://www.tupelopress.org/mongl an.shtml) MONDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2006 7:30 PM Reading 12th Street Books 827 W. 12th Street Austin, TX Contact: Luke Telephone: 512-499-8828 Cost: FREE Mong-Lan will read from Why is the Edge Always Windy? ____________________________________ _Barbara Tran_ (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=prmhyzbab.0.7jm75zbab.xzxilxbab.139&ts=S0209&p=https://www.tupelopress.org/tran.shtml) (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=prmhyzbab.0.7jm75zbab.xzxilxbab.139&ts=S0209&p=https://www.tupelopress.org/tran. shtml) SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 2006 through SUNDAY, JULY 8, 2007 The Moon is Broken: Photography from Poetry, Poetry from Photography Williams College Museum of Art 15 Lawrence Hall Dr Williamstown, MA Website: _http:/ /www.wmca.org/_ (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=prmhyzbab.0.6jm75 zbab.xzxilxbab.139&ts=S0209&p=http://www.wcma.org/exhibitions/more_upcoming_exhi bitions.shtml/','Window1','width=800,height=600,status,location,scrollbars,too lbar,resizable')) Cost: Museum Admission Barbara Tran is involved in the Williams College Museum or Art's The Moon Is Broken: Photography from Poetry, Poetry from Photography exhibittion. The WCMA's website says; "From early pictorial to contemporary artwork, photographs are often compared to poetry. Using the museum's collection, regional poets uncover these rich associations and layers of meaning, creating lyrical arrangements of photographs that suggest visual poems constructed from the ambiguous, abstract, often indeterminate images of Eug?ne Atget, Manuel Alvarez Bravo, Harry Callahan, Julia Margaret Cameron, Alvin Langdon Coburn, Walker Evans, Lee Friedlander, Ralph Gibson, Andr? Kert?sz, Duane Michals, Olivia Parker, Man Ray, Marcia Resnick, Aaron Siskind, and Garry Winogrand." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In fact, in his earlier political essay, "A Philosophic View of Reform," Shelley had written that "Poets and philosophers are the unacknowledged" etc. The philosophers he was talking about were revolutionary-minded: Thomas Paine, William Godwin, Voltaire, Mary Wollstonecraft. And Shelley was, no mistake, out to change the legislation of his time. For him there was no contradiction between poetry, political philosophy, and active confrontation with illegitimate authority. For him, art bore an integral relationship to the "struggle between Revolution and Oppression". His "West Wind" was the "trumpet of a prophecy", driving "dead thoughts ... like withered leaves, to quicken a new birth". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 11/18/06 7:04 PM, "Bob Grumman" wrote: > Frankly, I think that anyone who considers these "dark times" needs > psychiatric help. > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Nov 18 20:29:57 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:29:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] In our dark times we need poetry more than ever, argues Adrienne Rich References: Message-ID: <008c01c70b7a$3b62b9f0$6eb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Re: [New-Poetry] In our dark times we need poetry more than ever, argues Adrienne Rich>>Frankly, I think that anyone who considers these >>"dark times" needs psychiatric help. >>--Bob G. Please to explain before you get in the corner. Bubonic plague average lifespans of thirty years or so Hitler Stalin flu typhus 112-hour work weeks the inquisition slavery the cultural stagnation following the demise of Rome etc. plus absence of the incredible number of good things we have like computers a relatively great amount of freedom incredible advances in our understanding of the universe and in the range and depth of our arts etc. Not that our times couldn't be improved, but what times were ever brighter? Especially our American times. No more on this from me --Bob (who is to used to being in a corner to mind it) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hawkbrwn at msn.com Sat Nov 18 21:21:41 2006 From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:21:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] In our dark times we need poetry more than ever, argues Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: <008c01c70b7a$3b62b9f0$6eb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: Gotcha. Makes sense. From that perspective, I agree. On 11/18/06 8:29 PM, "Bob Grumman" wrote: >>> >>Frankly, I think that anyone who considers these >>"dark times" needs >>> psychiatric help. > >>> >>--Bob G. > >> >> Please to explain before you get in the corner. >> >> Bubonic plague average lifespans of thirty years or so Hitler Stalin flu >> typhus 112-hour work weeks the inquisition slavery the cultural stagnation >> following the demise of Rome etc. plus absence of the incredible number of >> good things we have like computers a relatively great amount of freedom >> incredible advances in our understanding of the universe and in the range >> and depth of our arts etc. >> >> >> >> Not that our times couldn't be improved, but what times were ever brighter? >> Especially our American times. >> >> >> >> No more on this from me >> >> >> >> --Bob (who is to used to being in a corner to mind it) > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 18 23:27:48 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 04:27:48 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] RE: Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange References: <200611171700.kAHH04oQ010315@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <49855.205.201.10.98.1163805545.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com> Message-ID: <000501c70b93$133c1070$95c10556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Dear Serious Richard you're Wrong, it isn't Wright! (hoi, what I'm really interested in au moment is finding out how to get a clockwork Laurel and Hardy, I have my agents commissioned on the quest, grin) All the Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] RE: Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange > Birc - > > Jealous of me? It's been my little business to bear witness to many. > But, that's not the point. > It's Wright. Are you jealous of Wright? > > Me? Frankly, I was not jealous of him. Terrified, rather. > > R - - > > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:24:58 -0000 > > From: "David Bircumshaw" > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > > > Message-ID: <000901c70a11$1c907720$95c10556 at rayuv8pcloxi9v> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Richard > > > > I'm jealous: that you saw Wright read. I'm a fan (but not of Bly) > > > > Best > > > > Dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:46 AM > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange > > > > > >> Cris, > >> > >> When this happened, i.e., when Wright spoke that line, I remember > >> distinctly that a strange mad truth had been uttered. Everybody in the > >> hall was looking at him, including Bly. Wright's eyes were black ovals, > >> fierce, and he was SEATED, at a remove, a distance from everybody, > >> including Bly. Bly loomed in his Indian poncho across the stage, turned > >> 90 degrees from the audience toward this man in arctic white shirt, > >> straight dropped down black tie. There wasn't anything one could do > >> about > >> this man's dilemma, leaning out from our seats unable to touch him. > >> Wright was a serious character, an electric aura surrounded him like a > >> photographic negative. Bly had introduced him as the most significant > >> living poet. I remember thinking, "I wonder if Dabney Stuart is here > >> witnessing this?" I can't prove it but I believe that Bly had never > >> heard > >> the poem before this moment, although he was Wright's champion and > >> publisher in his magazine, "The Sixties." Bly had explained part of > >> his > >> theory regarding "Leaping Poetry." Upon the stage watched by all > >> those > >> aristocratic Southern women was a potent, defiant demonstration of this > >> theory, hanging in the air like a smoke ring of dry ice. Caught Bly > >> flatfooted. > >> > >> It was an intense night. Bly also hit us with: "Johnson's Cabinet > >> Watched > >> By Ants." As we say these days, a student of literature might be able > >> to > >> get their head around one of these figures, but the two of them out up > >> there in the spotlights staring at the stage lights hitting them was > >> simply out of mental reach. > >> > >> I just remembered (perhaps) the title of Wright's poem: > >> > >> "Lying In A Hammock On William Duffy's Farm" > >> > >> RD > >> > >> > >> > >> Message: 6 > >> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:44:12 -0500 > >> From: cheekc > >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange > >> > >> > >> indeed Richard, > >> > >> but what a way to waste it;) > >> > >> love and love > >> cris > >> > >> On Nov 7, 2006, at 4:58 PM, elemenope at icubed.com wrote: > >> > >> > I remember when Bly and Wright appeared on the same stage at > >> > Sweetbriar > >> > College in the Blue Ridge Mountains. > >> > Bly in serape introduced Wright in white shirt black tie as the > >> > greatest > >> > living poet. > >> > Wright recalled the poem wherein he announces while musing on a lawn > >> littered with whatnot that he because of poetry has wasted his life. RD > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From rog3r.day at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 04:56:42 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 09:56:42 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] In our dark times we need poetry more than ever, argues Adrienne Rich In-Reply-To: <00ba01c70b8e$71cb9f20$6eb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <00ba01c70b8e$71cb9f20$6eb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: For Americans and the West, true. But don't get too cosy in your duvet-covers - disease and genocide still stalk other bits of our planet. I hear they've some bad times in Iraq. So, for the Empire and it's allies, everything's jim-dandy, and I'm whistling while I work this unseasonable November. For those considered dangerous to the Imperial well-being, well, welcome to hard times. Roger On 11/19/06, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > > > > Gotcha. Makes sense. From that perspective, I agree. > > > Good grief, I'm not starting to make sense, am I?! > > --Bob > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- http://www.badstep.net/ "Hello Cleveland! Hello Cleveland!" From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Nov 19 11:43:54 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 10:43:54 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] In our dark times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19D3535B-4E5C-4439-80FC-D0B13C574C10@ripon.edu> I have great respect for Adrienne Rich and read her always with interest. Her essay linked below is worth pondering, and is much more intelligent and subtle than any "we live in dark times" summary-- the phrase is quoted from Brecht, in any event, and Rich's argument is not that we live in dark times so much as an apology for the value of poetry in any times. Here's a relevant paragraph from Rich: "I'm both a poet and one of the "everybodies" of my country. I live with manipulated fear, ignorance, cultural confusion and social antagonism huddling together on the faultline of an empire. I hope never to idealise poetry -- it has suffered enough from that. Poetry is not a healing lotion, an emotional massage, a kind of linguistic aromatherapy. Neither is it a blueprint, nor an instruction manual, nor a billboard. There is no universal Poetry, anyway, only poetries and poetics, and the streaming, intertwining histories to which they belong. There is room, indeed necessity, for both Neruda and C?sar Vall?jo, for Pier Paolo Pasolini and Alfonsina Storni, for both Ezra Pound and Nelly Sachs. Poetries are no more pure and simple than human histories are pure and simple. And there are colonised poetics and resilient poetics, transmissions across frontiers not easily traced." Still, the idea that we live in particularly dire times, historically speaking, is so common that it does deserve a skeptical glance. I agree with Bob Grumman on this, which I hope doesn't dismay him too much. I also hope that he doesn't mind agreeing with Robert Frost, who, way back in 1935, smack dab in the middle of that famously low, dishonest decade, expressed his own skepticism as follows: "But speaking of ages, you will often hear it said that the age of the world we live in is particularly bad. I am impatient of such talk. We have no way of knowing that this age is one of the worst in the world's history. Arnold claimed the honor for the age before this. Wordsworth claimed it for the last but one. And so on back through literature. I say they claimed the honor for their ages. They claimed it rather for themselves. It is immodest of a man to think of himself as going down before the worst forces ever mobilized by God." --Robert Frost. "Letter to The Amherst Student." 25 March 1935. ----- The risk of much self-consciously political poetry, as I believe Rich well knows, is just this: it is immodest. It makes a claim for the *poet* that overshadows other matters. On Nov 18, 2006, at 4:12 PM, wrote: > http://books.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329635373-110738,00.html > > Legislators of the world > Commentary In our dark times we need poetry more than ever, argues > Adrienne Rich > > Adrienne Rich > Saturday November 18, 2006 > ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 13:25:41 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 09:25:41 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] In our dark times In-Reply-To: <19D3535B-4E5C-4439-80FC-D0B13C574C10@ripon.edu> References: <19D3535B-4E5C-4439-80FC-D0B13C574C10@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0611191025v464414edt681a74be5614cd2e@mail.gmail.com> On 11/19/06, David Graham wrote: > Still, the idea that we live in particularly dire times, historically > speaking, is so common that it does deserve a skeptical glance. And yet, even if only in hindsight, it turns out to be true doesn't it? And does it matter if it's "particularly dire" or just "dire"? I suppose it's easy to tune out a lot of the suffering ensconced in our La-Z-Boys and heedless of the rest of the world, where "our times" means "the times of the US and maybe Canada if I'm feeling generous." You have an almost allergic aversion to anything that people believe in common (is your sky blue?) but it has little or nothing to do with the validity of the claim in question... and a lot to do with you. c From hawkbrwn at msn.com Sun Nov 19 13:39:55 2006 From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:39:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] In our dark times In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0611191025v464414edt681a74be5614cd2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > You have an almost allergic aversion to anything that people believe > in common (is your sky blue?) Well, technically the sky isn't blue at all. (And especially in this particular instance over the Eastern portion of the Plateau in Montreal where and when it's a very white grey color.) Since the sky only *appears* blue because the other light frequencies have been absorbed or gone "through" the atmosphere, and a frequency within the range we call "blue" has been bounced back (though again, not in the current, particular case in which a whitish grey is being bounced back). From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Nov 19 14:17:13 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:17:13 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: In our dark times In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0611191025v464414edt681a74be5614cd2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <19D3535B-4E5C-4439-80FC-D0B13C574C10@ripon.edu> <9b1b9dab0611191025v464414edt681a74be5614cd2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BF39408-BDAB-4F9A-8DD4-00CEED440DCA@ripon.edu> "It turns out to be true doesn't it?" What's that, Chris? That some times are more dire than others? Well, we can all name the horrors of our day, I suppose, but what does that prove? I guess your question must mean that some times (years? decades? ages?) are less dire. OK, name me some, please, when suffering was not rampant, poverty acute, warfare blazing, persecutions in progress, the common folk benighted and easily misled, corrupt rulers in power, bad poetry popular, etc. Unfortunately, I really do believe that every decade has its Pol Pot, its Auschwitz, its Wounded Knee, etc. And I fail to see how bearing this in mind equates to tuning out suffering while reclining in my La- Z-Boy. That's a pretty cheap shot. I must say, Chris,that you seem to have an almost allergic aversion to responding to my main points, also--which included in this case throwing some cold water on glib, vague pronouncements about "our dark times." And I was, in case you missed it, defending Rich from the implication that she was indulging in such glibness; as it happens, I agree with her essay, and wanted to recommend it as an antidote to sloganeering on such themes. On Nov 19, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On 11/19/06, David Graham wrote: >> Still, the idea that we live in particularly dire times, historically >> speaking, is so common that it does deserve a skeptical glance. > > And yet, even if only in hindsight, it turns out to be true doesn't > it? And does it matter if it's "particularly dire" or just "dire"? I > suppose it's easy to tune out a lot of the suffering ensconced in our > La-Z-Boys and heedless of the rest of the world, where "our times" > means "the times of the US and maybe Canada if I'm feeling generous." > > You have an almost allergic aversion to anything that people believe > in common (is your sky blue?) but it has little or nothing to do with > the validity of the claim in question... and a lot to do with you. > > c ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Sun Nov 19 14:54:16 2006 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:54:16 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tattered Kaddish Message-ID: <0DC0B8A4-EBF4-4CEF-823D-D32FA9A34220@ripon.edu> Tattered Kaddish Taurean reaper of the wild apple field messenger from earthmire gleaning transcripts of fog in the nineteenth year and the eleventh month speak your tattered Kaddish for all suicides: Praise to life though it crumbled in like a tunnel on ones we knew and loved Praise to life though its windows blew shut on the breathing-room of ones we knew and loved Praise to life though ones we knew and loved loved it badly, too well, and not enough Praise to life though it tightened like a knot on the hearts of ones we thought we knew loved us Praise to life giving room and reason to ones we knew and loved who felt unpraisable Praise to them, how they loved it, when they could. 1989 --Adrienne Rich. An Atlas of The Difficult World. 1991. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Sun Nov 19 17:56:29 2006 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:56:29 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Democratic Vistas Message-ID: <66614F35-CFA0-40BD-A4F0-C73CFE1F3789@ripon.edu> Democratic Vistas The narrator was shot by the sniper he was describing and I quickly picked up his pen. What luck, I thought, to be sitting up here in the narrator's tower where the parking lots look like chalkboards and the characters scurry around or fall down and die as I design it. Then I started to read the novel I'd inherited and didn't like what I discovered. Most of the characters were relentlessly evil, taken right off the bad streets of the Bible. The narrator would interrupt the story at all the wrong times, like a third wheel on a date, and deliver shaky opinions like "People who wear turtlenecks must have really fucked-up necks." He would get lost in pointless investigations, i.e., was Pac-Man an animal, so that when we returned to the characters many pages later, their hair had grown past the shoulder and their fingernails were inches long. In support of the novel, I must say it was designed well. The scenes were like rowhouses. They had common sidewalks, through which one could hear the faint voices and footsteps of what was to come. I've lived those long driving scenes. Everyone knows how hard it is, after you've been on the road all day, to stop driving. You go to sleep and the road runs under the bed like a filmstrip. I also liked the sheriff's anxious dream sequence, where he keeps putting a two-inch-high man in jail, and the tiny man keeps walking out, in between the bars. After a sleepless night he's awoken by the phone. There's a sniper in the University tower. The sheriff stands before the bathroom mirror. Drops of Visine are careening down his face. They are cold and clear and I can count them through my rifle scope. --David Berman. Actual Air. Open City Books, 1999. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sun Nov 19 18:12:10 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:12:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Democratic Vistas References: <66614F35-CFA0-40BD-A4F0-C73CFE1F3789@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <00cf01c70c30$24554500$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> I like this one. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Democratic Vistas Democratic Vistas The narrator was shot by the sniper he was describing and I quickly picked up his pen. What luck, I thought, to be sitting up here in the narrator's tower where the parking lots look like chalkboards and the characters scurry around or fall down and die as I design it. Then I started to read the novel I'd inherited and didn't like what I discovered. Most of the characters were relentlessly evil, taken right off the bad streets of the Bible. The narrator would interrupt the story at all the wrong times, like a third wheel on a date, and deliver shaky opinions like "People who wear turtlenecks must have really fucked-up necks." He would get lost in pointless investigations, i.e., was Pac-Man an animal, so that when we returned to the characters many pages later, their hair had grown past the shoulder and their fingernails were inches long. In support of the novel, I must say it was designed well. The scenes were like rowhouses. They had common sidewalks, through which one could hear the faint voices and footsteps of what was to come. I've lived those long driving scenes. Everyone knows how hard it is, after you've been on the road all day, to stop driving. You go to sleep and the road runs under the bed like a filmstrip. I also liked the sheriff's anxious dream sequence, where he keeps putting a two-inch-high man in jail, and the tiny man keeps walking out, in between the bars. After a sleepless night he's awoken by the phone. There's a sniper in the University tower. The sheriff stands before the bathroom mirror. Drops of Visine are careening down his face. They are cold and clear and I can count them through my rifle scope. --David Berman. Actual Air. Open City Books, 1999. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rog3r.day at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 18:42:30 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:42:30 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] dark times Message-ID: here am i in my dark room two electric lights shining on my keyboard chopin's preludes and nocturnes mask the pain sealed off from the cold wet wind the sniper's bullet on the hot sunny rooftop -- http://www.badstep.net/ "Hello Cleveland! Hello Cleveland!" From screwzbaran at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 19:19:56 2006 From: screwzbaran at gmail.com (Suzanne Baran) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:19:56 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tattered Kaddish In-Reply-To: <0DC0B8A4-EBF4-4CEF-823D-D32FA9A34220@ripon.edu> References: <0DC0B8A4-EBF4-4CEF-823D-D32FA9A34220@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <2d5ffa0b0611191619p7d43b649ke9af287a7bba4dc6@mail.gmail.com> Wow, this poem has me in tears on an otherwise demure Sunday afternoon. My brother killed himself in the 11th month, and I was raised Orhtodox Jewish. I have since become Buddhist with other leanrings, but my education and culture remain significant reminders of my birth identity. I used to say the Kaddish for the dead. This poem has been received at a very auspicious time in my life. Thank you. On 11/19/06, David Graham wrote: > > Tattered Kaddish > > > Taurean reaper of the wild apple field > messenger from earthmire gleaning > transcripts of fog > in the nineteenth year and the eleventh month > speak your tattered Kaddish for all suicides: > > Praise to life though it crumbled in like a tunnel > on ones we knew and loved > > Praise to life though its windows blew shut > on the breathing-room of ones we knew and loved > > Praise to life though ones we knew and loved > loved it badly, too well, and not enough > > Praise to life though it tightened like a knot > on the hearts of ones we thought we knew loved us > > Praise to life giving room and reason > to ones we knew and loved who felt unpraisable > > Praise to them, how they loved it, when they could. > > > 1989 > > --Adrienne Rich. An Atlas of The Difficult World. 1991. > > > > > > ========================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > Poetry Library: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > From debra at debradicembre.com Sun Nov 19 20:41:25 2006 From: debra at debradicembre.com (Debra Dicembre) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:41:25 +1100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tattered Kaddish References: <0DC0B8A4-EBF4-4CEF-823D-D32FA9A34220@ripon.edu> <2d5ffa0b0611191619p7d43b649ke9af287a7bba4dc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801c70c44$ff75ad00$0301010a@galaxy> And thankyou for sharing your personal experience of it. Both poem and par, beautiful and interesting. DD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Baran" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tattered Kaddish > Wow, this poem has me in tears on an otherwise demure Sunday > afternoon. My brother killed himself in the 11th month, and I was > raised Orhtodox Jewish. I have since become Buddhist with other > leanrings, but my education and culture remain significant reminders > of my birth identity. I used to say the Kaddish for the dead. This > poem has been received at a very auspicious time in my life. Thank > you. > > On 11/19/06, David Graham wrote: > > > > Tattered Kaddish > > > > > > Taurean reaper of the wild apple field > > messenger from earthmire gleaning > > transcripts of fog > > in the nineteenth year and the eleventh month > > speak your tattered Kaddish for all suicides: > > > > Praise to life though it crumbled in like a tunnel > > on ones we knew and loved > > > > Praise to life though its windows blew shut > > on the breathing-room of ones we knew and loved > > > > Praise to life though ones we knew and loved > > loved it badly, too well, and not enough > > > > Praise to life though it tightened like a knot > > on the hearts of ones we thought we knew loved us > > > > Praise to life giving room and reason > > to ones we knew and loved who felt unpraisable > > > > Praise to them, how they loved it, when they could. > > > > > > 1989 > > > > --Adrienne Rich. An Atlas of The Difficult World. 1991. > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================================== > > > > David Graham > > > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > > > Home Page: > > > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > > > Poetry Library: > > > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > > > ========================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Nov 20 12:01:11 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:01:11 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] A mangle Message-ID: Chasing The Bird The sun sets unevenly and the people go to bed. The night has a thousand eyes. The clouds are low, overhead. Every night it is a little bit more difficult, a little harder. My mind to me a mangle is. --Robert Creeley ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/academics/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From screwzbaran at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 20:42:00 2006 From: screwzbaran at gmail.com (Suzanne Baran) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:42:00 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tattered Kaddish In-Reply-To: <003801c70c44$ff75ad00$0301010a@galaxy> References: <0DC0B8A4-EBF4-4CEF-823D-D32FA9A34220@ripon.edu> <2d5ffa0b0611191619p7d43b649ke9af287a7bba4dc6@mail.gmail.com> <003801c70c44$ff75ad00$0301010a@galaxy> Message-ID: <2d5ffa0b0611201742p405c984y551abac4b1967f0d@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Debra! On 11/19/06, Debra Dicembre wrote: > > And thankyou for sharing your personal experience of it. > Both poem and par, beautiful and interesting. > > DD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzanne Baran" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tattered Kaddish > > > > Wow, this poem has me in tears on an otherwise demure Sunday > > afternoon. My brother killed himself in the 11th month, and I was > > raised Orhtodox Jewish. I have since become Buddhist with other > > leanrings, but my education and culture remain significant reminders > > of my birth identity. I used to say the Kaddish for the dead. This > > poem has been received at a very auspicious time in my life. Thank > > you. > > > > On 11/19/06, David Graham wrote: > > > > > > Tattered Kaddish > > > > > > > > > Taurean reaper of the wild apple field > > > messenger from earthmire gleaning > > > transcripts of fog > > > in the nineteenth year and the eleventh month > > > speak your tattered Kaddish for all suicides: > > > > > > Praise to life though it crumbled in like a tunnel > > > on ones we knew and loved > > > > > > Praise to life though its windows blew shut > > > on the breathing-room of ones we knew and loved > > > > > > Praise to life though ones we knew and loved > > > loved it badly, too well, and not enough > > > > > > Praise to life though it tightened like a knot > > > on the hearts of ones we thought we knew loved us > > > > > > Praise to life giving room and reason > > > to ones we knew and loved who felt unpraisable > > > > > > Praise to them, how they loved it, when they could. > > > > > > > > > 1989 > > > > > > --Adrienne Rich. 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Is flying around the world any way to warn us of the dangers of carbon dioxide? These days, he lets it all hang out, there in the classroom. Merely a tool of the neocons, he hid his tutu and slippers from hostile faculty. Praise be! Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A poem, as Auden said when explaining how one was written, cannot be finished: it is simply abandoned by a poet who can add no more to it. The reader then takes over and, with luck, discovers another kind of endlessness: reading leads to rereading, as the words are coaxed into releasing subtler, richer meanings, dilating into ever ampler contexts. Unlike many of his predecessors, Muldoon chooses not to generalise about poetry. Instead, he explicates individual poems, one per lecture. The procedure demands close attention, but the results are revelatory. Reading here is a collaborative recreation and, at their best, Muldoon's interpretations - sometimes whimsically tenuous, often breathtaking in their intellectual boldness - are like improvised, free associating poems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 10:38:45 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:38:45 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Muldoon's Oxford lectures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60611210738w673e863fod755920e37e4fff3@mail.gmail.com> Yikes! That ?25 translates into $47 at the current rate of exchange. It's hardback only, I take it? - Jim On 11/21/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > > http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329636514-102280,00.html > The reason behind rhyme > Paul Muldoon's Oxford lectures, The End of the Poem, offer a trenchant and > clever analysis of the power of poetry, even finding space to salute Christ > as a 'great punster', says Peter Conrad > > Peter Conrad > Sunday November 19, 2006 > > Observer > > The End of the Poem: Oxford Lectures > by Paul Muldoon > Faber ?25, pp432 > Paul Muldoon's premonitory title does not mean what it seems to say: these > lectures, delivered during his time as professor of poetry at Oxford, are > far from being an obsequy for the art. Poems, if they are good, need never > end. A poem, as Auden said when explaining how one was written, cannot be > finished: it is simply abandoned by a poet who can add no more to it. The > reader then takes over and, with luck, discovers another kind of > endlessness: reading leads to rereading, as the words are coaxed into > releasing subtler, richer meanings, dilating into ever ampler contexts. > > Unlike many of his predecessors, Muldoon chooses not to generalise about > poetry. Instead, he explicates individual poems, one per lecture. The > procedure demands close attention, but the results are revelatory. Reading > here is a collaborative recreation and, at their best, Muldoon's > interpretations - sometimes whimsically tenuous, often breathtaking in their > intellectual boldness - are like improvised, free associating poems. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ From tad at opus40.org Tue Nov 21 12:07:14 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:07:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] "Sonnet: A Brave Story" References: <4BECEABB-678C-4C47-B1FA-838A56D3243A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005c01c70d8f$7f48cb70$6601a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Good one. ----- Original Message ----- From: Halvard Johnson To: & Views New-Poetry Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:51 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] "Sonnet: A Brave Story" Sonnet: A Brave Story Understanding the universe and the potential for life in it, Nikita Khruschev, in a secret speech, denounced Stalin. In 1935, the military zeppelin USS Macon crashed and sank off Point Sur. To this very day, it lies there, on the ocean floor. Sarah?s pet ant grew to the size of a bus, and yet . . . and yet . . . . Genocide in Darfur? Need you ask? Dubai, some say, has sold its soul to the company store. Blocked from speaking in New York, he took to the hustings in Nebraska, reading Reading Lolita in Tehran to any who would come and listen. When things go badly, the public does not take well to wars of choice. We know that now. Sadly, we knew that then as well. Is flying around the world any way to warn us of the dangers of carbon dioxide? These days, he lets it all hang out, there in the classroom. Merely a tool of the neocons, he hid his tutu and slippers from hostile faculty. Praise be! 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URL: From chris.kelly at nyu.edu Tue Nov 21 13:26:56 2006 From: chris.kelly at nyu.edu (Christopher Kelly) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:26:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Muldoon's Oxford lectures In-Reply-To: <648208b60611210738w673e863fod755920e37e4fff3@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60611210738w673e863fod755920e37e4fff3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It's published in the states by FSG for $30. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Cervantes Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:38 am Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Muldoon's Oxford lectures > Yikes! That ?25 translates into $47 at the current rate of exchange. > It's hardback only, I take it? > > - Jim > > On 11/21/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329636514-102280,00.html > > The reason behind rhyme > > Paul Muldoon's Oxford lectures, The End of the Poem, offer a > trenchant and > > clever analysis of the power of poetry, even finding space to > salute Christ > > as a 'great punster', says Peter Conrad > > > > Peter Conrad > > Sunday November 19, 2006 > > > > Observer > > > > The End of the Poem: Oxford Lectures > > by Paul Muldoon > > Faber ?25, pp432 > > Paul Muldoon's premonitory title does not mean what it seems to > say: these > > lectures, delivered during his time as professor of poetry at > Oxford, are > > far from being an obsequy for the art. Poems, if they are good, > need never > > end. A poem, as Auden said when explaining how one was written, > cannot be > > finished: it is simply abandoned by a poet who can add no more to > it. The > > reader then takes over and, with luck, discovers another kind of > > endlessness: reading leads to rereading, as the words are coaxed > into> releasing subtler, richer meanings, dilating into ever ampler > contexts.> > > Unlike many of his predecessors, Muldoon chooses not to > generalise about > > poetry. Instead, he explicates individual poems, one per lecture. > The> procedure demands close attention, but the results are > revelatory. Reading > > here is a collaborative recreation and, at their best, Muldoon's > > interpretations - sometimes whimsically tenuous, often > breathtaking in their > > intellectual boldness - are like improvised, free associating poems. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning > ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Tue Nov 21 17:13:42 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:13:42 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Crash References: <648208b60611210738w673e863fod755920e37e4fff3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501c70dba$50698800$95c10556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Think this might be a poem. Opinions anyone? CRASH In the small hours, when the day's fullness had disappeared, looking round for illusions of support, with a sense of impending rust like a celebration of plaque, AutoPoet cast about for a something we might call substantia. As in this is real as in this is not a shadow river as in yes You are and so am I and that talking was understanding we met on its plain. But the sensors were off-line and the cellar AutoPoet was in was sinking beneath his defunct treads and besides which his batteries were no longer manufactured, obsolete They cried, and the charge was running low and a lecture on entropy was waiting at the buckled door, delighted at its delivery, while circumstances gathered in the corners, bright-eyed at possibilities of come-uppance, We told You so, they rehearsed their cry, and looking like a discontinued product, maybe a washing machine, of former purveyance, AutoPoet tried to shout: Told me what? And why? But vocal chords would not be plucked and silence became its own answer and the floor collapsed, rather drunkenly I regret to relate, not good form that, and the aforesaid illusions (aka support) proved not to be there. Not there. Crash. best Dave From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Nov 22 13:48:48 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:48:48 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Ted Kooser Message-ID: <005601c70e66$d883ae30$12aa3252@ANNY> Welcome to American Life in Poetry. For information on permissions and usage, or to download a PDF version of the column, visit www.americanlifeinpoetry.org. ****************************** American Life in Poetry: Column 087 BY TED KOOSER, U.S. POET LAUREATE, 2004-2006 www.americanlifeinpoetry.org. Raking Anna Bell and Lane, eighty, make small leaf piles in the heat, each pile a great joint effort, like fifty years of marriage, sharing chores a rusty dance. In my own yard, the stacks are big as children, who scatter them, dodge and limbo the poke of my rake. We're lucky, young and straight-boned. And I feel sorry for the couple, bent like parentheses around their brittle little lawn. I like feeling sorry for them, the tenderness of it, but only for a moment: John glides in like a paper airplane, takes the children for the weekend, and I remember, they're the lucky ones-- shriveled Anna Bell, loving her crooked Lane. Reprinted from "Karaoke Funeral," Snake Nation Press, 2003, by permission of the author. Copyright (c) 2003 by Tania Rochelle. This weekly column is supported by The Poetry Foundation, The Library of Congress, and the Department of English at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. This column does not accept unsolicited poetry. ****************************** American Life in Poetry provides newspapers and online publications with a free weekly column featuring contemporary American poems. The sole mission of this project is to promote poetry: American Life in Poetry seeks to create a vigorous presence for poetry in our culture. There are no costs for reprinting the columns; we do require that you register your publication here and that the text of the column be reproduced without alteration. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope at icubed.com Wed Nov 22 23:01:31 2006 From: elemenope at icubed.com (elemenope at icubed.com) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:01:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] 8. Re: Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange (David Bircumshaw) In-Reply-To: <200611191700.kAJH05oQ023418@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200611191700.kAJH05oQ023418@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <17994.63.164.145.85.1164254491.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com> Here is the poem in question. I'm sure you'll appreciate the Marvell echo, Dave. It was written in 1963. Therefore, Bly was not actually astonished when Wright recited it that night in the late 1960s. Richard Lying in a Hammock at William Duffy's Farm in Pine Island, Minnesota Over my head, I see the bronze butterfly, Asleep on the black trunk, Blowing like a leaf in green shadow. Down the ravine behind the empty house, The cowbells follow one another Into the distances of the afternoon. To my right, In a field of sunlight between two pines, The droppings of last year's horses, Blaze up into golden stones. I lean back, as the evening darkens and comes on. A chicken hawk floats over, Looking for home. I have wasted my life. -- James Wright > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 04:27:48 -0000 > From: "David Bircumshaw" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] RE: Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <000501c70b93$133c1070$95c10556 at rayuv8pcloxi9v> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Serious Richard > > you're Wrong, it isn't Wright! > > (hoi, what I'm really interested in au moment is finding out how to get a > clockwork Laurel and Hardy, I have my agents commissioned on the quest, > grin) > > All the Best > > Dave > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:19 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] RE: Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange > > >> Birc - >> >> Jealous of me? It's been my little business to bear witness to many. >> But, that's not the point. >> It's Wright. Are you jealous of Wright? >> >> Me? Frankly, I was not jealous of him. Terrified, rather. >> >> R - - >> >> >> >> > Message: 3 >> > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:24:58 -0000 >> > From: "David Bircumshaw" >> > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange >> > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" >> > >> > Message-ID: <000901c70a11$1c907720$95c10556 at rayuv8pcloxi9v> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> > >> > Richard >> > >> > I'm jealous: that you saw Wright read. I'm a fan (but not of Bly) >> > >> > Best >> > >> > Dave >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > To: >> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:46 AM >> > Subject: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange >> > >> > >> >> Cris, >> >> >> >> When this happened, i.e., when Wright spoke that line, I remember >> >> distinctly that a strange mad truth had been uttered. Everybody in >> the >> >> hall was looking at him, including Bly. Wright's eyes were black > ovals, >> >> fierce, and he was SEATED, at a remove, a distance from everybody, >> >> including Bly. Bly loomed in his Indian poncho across the stage, > turned >> >> 90 degrees from the audience toward this man in arctic white shirt, >> >> straight dropped down black tie. There wasn't anything one could do >> >> about >> >> this man's dilemma, leaning out from our seats unable to touch him. >> >> Wright was a serious character, an electric aura surrounded him like >> a >> >> photographic negative. Bly had introduced him as the most >> significant >> >> living poet. I remember thinking, "I wonder if Dabney Stuart is here >> >> witnessing this?" I can't prove it but I believe that Bly had never >> >> heard >> >> the poem before this moment, although he was Wright's champion and >> >> publisher in his magazine, "The Sixties." Bly had explained part of >> >> his >> >> theory regarding "Leaping Poetry." Upon the stage watched by all >> >> those >> >> aristocratic Southern women was a potent, defiant demonstration of >> this >> >> theory, hanging in the air like a smoke ring of dry ice. Caught Bly >> >> flatfooted. >> >> >> >> It was an intense night. Bly also hit us with: "Johnson's Cabinet >> >> Watched >> >> By Ants." As we say these days, a student of literature might be >> able >> >> to >> >> get their head around one of these figures, but the two of them out >> up >> >> there in the spotlights staring at the stage lights hitting them was >> >> simply out of mental reach. >> >> >> >> I just remembered (perhaps) the title of Wright's poem: >> >> >> >> "Lying In A Hammock On William Duffy's Farm" >> >> >> >> RD >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Message: 6 >> >> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:44:12 -0500 >> >> From: cheekc >> >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bly, the Fierce, Wright, the Strange >> >> >> >> >> >> indeed Richard, >> >> >> >> but what a way to waste it;) >> >> >> >> love and love >> >> cris >> >> >> >> On Nov 7, 2006, at 4:58 PM, elemenope at icubed.com wrote: >> >> >> >> > I remember when Bly and Wright appeared on the same stage at >> >> > Sweetbriar >> >> > College in the Blue Ridge Mountains. >> >> > Bly in serape introduced Wright in white shirt black tie as the >> >> > greatest >> >> > living poet. >> >> > Wright recalled the poem wherein he announces while musing on a >> lawn >> >> littered with whatnot that he because of poetry has wasted his life. >> RD >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 09:56:42 +0000 > From: "Roger Day" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] In our dark times we need poetry more than > ever, argues Adrienne Rich > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > For Americans and the West, true. But don't get too cosy in your > duvet-covers - disease and genocide still stalk other bits of our > planet. I hear they've some bad times in Iraq. So, for the Empire and > it's allies, everything's jim-dandy, and I'm whistling while I work > this unseasonable November. For those considered dangerous to the > Imperial well-being, well, welcome to hard times. > > Roger > > On 11/19/06, Bob Grumman wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Gotcha. Makes sense. From that perspective, I agree. >> >> >> Good grief, I'm not starting to make sense, am I?! >> >> --Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > > -- > http://www.badstep.net/ > "Hello Cleveland! Hello Cleveland!" > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 10:43:54 -0600 > From: David Graham > Subject: [New-Poetry] In our dark times > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &" > > Message-ID: <19D3535B-4E5C-4439-80FC-D0B13C574C10 at ripon.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have great respect for Adrienne Rich and read her always with > interest. Her essay linked below is worth pondering, and is much > more intelligent and subtle than any "we live in dark times" summary-- > the phrase is quoted from Brecht, in any event, and Rich's argument > is not that we live in dark times so much as an apology for the value > of poetry in any times. > > Here's a relevant paragraph from Rich: > > "I'm both a poet and one of the "everybodies" of my country. I live > with manipulated fear, ignorance, cultural confusion and social > antagonism huddling together on the faultline of an empire. I hope > never to idealise poetry -- it has suffered enough from that. Poetry > is not a healing lotion, an emotional massage, a kind of linguistic > aromatherapy. Neither is it a blueprint, nor an instruction manual, > nor a billboard. There is no universal Poetry, anyway, only poetries > and poetics, and the streaming, intertwining histories to which they > belong. There is room, indeed necessity, for both Neruda and C?sar > Vall?jo, for Pier Paolo Pasolini and Alfonsina Storni, for both Ezra > Pound and Nelly Sachs. Poetries are no more pure and simple than > human histories are pure and simple. And there are colonised poetics > and resilient poetics, transmissions across frontiers not easily > traced." > > Still, the idea that we live in particularly dire times, historically > speaking, is so common that it does deserve a skeptical glance. I > agree with Bob Grumman on this, which I hope doesn't dismay him too > much. > > I also hope that he doesn't mind agreeing with Robert Frost, who, way > back in 1935, smack dab in the middle of that famously low, dishonest > decade, expressed his own skepticism as follows: > > "But speaking of ages, you will often hear it said that the age of > the world we live in is particularly bad. I am impatient of such > talk. We have no way of knowing that this age is one of the worst > in the world's history. Arnold claimed the honor for the age before > this. Wordsworth claimed it for the last but one. And so on back > through literature. I say they claimed the honor for their ages. > They claimed it rather for themselves. It is immodest of a man to > think of himself as going down before the worst forces ever mobilized > by God." > --Robert Frost. "Letter to The Amherst Student." 25 March 1935. > ----- > > The risk of much self-consciously political poetry, as I believe Rich > well knows, is just this: it is immodest. It makes a claim for the > *poet* that overshadows other matters. > > > > On Nov 18, 2006, at 4:12 PM, > wrote: > >> http://books.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329635373-110738,00.html >> >> Legislators of the world >> Commentary In our dark times we need poetry more than ever, argues >> Adrienne Rich >> >> Adrienne Rich >> Saturday November 18, 2006 >> > > ========================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ========================================== > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/pipermail/new-poetry/attachments/20061119/0b423c32/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 29, Issue 22 > ****************************************** > From Rebuketheworld at aol.com Thu Nov 23 01:44:46 2006 From: Rebuketheworld at aol.com (Rebuketheworld at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:44:46 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Dear New Poetry, something to consider Message-ID: Dear New Poetry, I just started this poetic blog about two months ago. I honestly don't feel what I am doing has a category whether its prose, poetry or ramblings but I feel its a poetic in nature through dialogue. Shakespeare did this and maybe I fit humbly in that type of writing style but I am NOT equating my style with his. I plan on taking this further with dialogue where writers submit the next line. I wanted to know your thoughts. I write in puzzles, symbolism but if you read it carefully, it makes itself known by ones own interpretation; such as writing does. Any advice and I would be insanely grateful. Best Regards, Raven Smith _http://journals.aol.com/rebuketheworld/RandomThoughtsConnected/_ (http://journals.aol.com/rebuketheworld/RandomThoughtsConnected/) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(since there appears to be another cris on the list... :) > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:08:12 -0500 > From: jforjames at aol.com > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] my book list > > This weekend I started to add to the list I had started, > and consolidated my personal list of many suggestions made by > NewPoetry people, and I'm already well over 100 titles, > and that doesn't count the 'miscellaneous titles', those > that one normally wouldn't say are related to poetry, poetry > writing or being an artist. > > If people on this list know some off-list poets who might > like to play the game, please query them for titles. > The question is now: "What books have been important > to you as a poet?" or "If asked to stock a poet's > ideal library, what books would place on the shelves?" > But no collections of poems allowed. Anyway, I'm looking > for more responses to this question...exhaustive is out > of the question...but comprehensive is still a goal. > > Once the list is assembled to a point I'm satisfied with > its scope, I plan to re-post the entire list and ask to > more questions... > Ok, what got missed? And, if you had your pick of only > 10 titles, what we they be? > > Finnegan > From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Nov 23 12:27:01 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:27:01 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Patricia Smith Message-ID: <9464C6E2-69A8-4C43-A56A-36851C67E68F@ripon.edu> On Poetry Daily today, a poem from Patricia Smith's new collection, *Teahouse of the Almighty*. http://www.poems.com/today_lo.htm Easily her best book yet--I highly recommend it. She just gets stronger and stronger as a poet. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Nov 23 12:41:13 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:41:13 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Sharon Dolin Message-ID: <003601c70f26$926cb480$8fe03652@ANNY> Dear Friends, Poets, Students, and Teachers, I hope you'll send out word to anyone you think might be interested about the fast-approaching deadline to send in a poetry chapbook manuscript to the Center for Book Arts Annual Letterpress Chapbook Competition, to be judged by myself and Jane Hirshfield. The postmark deadline is December 1rst! 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In May you were afraid to put your face in the water But by August, I was standing in the pool once more when you dove in, then retreated to the wall saying You forgot to say Sugar! So I said Come on Sugar, you can do it and you pushed off and swam to me and held on laughing, your hair stuck to your cheeks- you hiccupped with joy and swam off again. And I dove in too, trying new things. I tried not giving advice. I tried waking early to pray. I tried not rising in anger. Watching you I grew stronger- your courage washed away my fear. All day I worked hard thinking of you. In the evening I walked the long hill home. You were at the top, waving your small arms, pittering down the slope to me and I lifted you high so high to the moon. That summer all the world was soul and water, light glancing off peaks. 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URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Nov 24 16:54:22 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:54:22 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] sent by Tom Beckett to the buffalooo Message-ID: <008101c71013$1a2d7c00$0ead3252@ANNY> OTOLITHS ANNOUNCEMENT For more info (including review copies): Mark Young at mhcyoung at gmail.com DREDGING FOR ATLANTIS Poetry by Eileen Tabios ISBN-13: 978-0-9775-6044-8 Release date: November 2006 Price: $U.S.14.95 from SPD & Amazon.com; $10.00 from Lulu.com Distributors: Small Press Distribution (SPD) (http://spdbooks.org) Amazon.com Lulu.com (http://www.lulu.com/content/470167 ) Otoliths (Rockhampton, Australia) is pleased to announce the release of Eileen Tabios' latest poetry collection, DREDGING FOR ATLANTIS. (Book Page available at http://dredgingforatlantis.blogspot.com ) EILEEN TABIOS' publications includes 14 poetry collections, an art essay collection, a poetry essay/interview anthology, and a short story book. DREDGING FOR ATLANTIS, her 11th print poetry collection, extends a unique body of work for melding ekphrasis with transcolonialism. Here, she introduces her translation of the painterly technique of scumbling to create poems from other poets' words. From other writers' texts, she also extracts sequences of the hay(na)ku, a poetic form she inaugurated on June 12, 2003 to mark the 105th Anniversary of Philippines' Independence Day from Spain, its three-century colonizer. In DREDGING FOR ATLANTIS, the author addresses loss: a lost country, lost memories, lost words, and lost dreams. But hope remains, and serves as the impetus for new poems. Recipient of the Philippines' Manila Critics Circle National Book Award for Poetry, Ms Tabios also edited or co-edited five books of poetry, fiction and essays released in the United States. Her poetry and editing projects have received numerous awards including the PEN/Oakland-Josephine Miles National Literary Award, The Potrero Nuevo Fund Prize, the Gustavus Meyers Outstanding Book Award in the Advancement of Human Rights, Foreword Magazine Anthology of the Year Award, Poet Magazine's Iva Mary Williams Poetry Award, Judds Hill's Annual Poetry Prize and the Philippine American Writers & Artists' Catalagan Award; recognition from the Academy of American Poets, the Asian Pacific Association of Librarians and the PEN-Open Book Committee; as well as grants from the Witter Bynner Foundation, National Endowment of the Arts, the New York State Council on the Humanities, the California Council for the Humanities, and the New York City Downtown Cultural Council. Ms Tabios performs the poetics blog, "The Blind Chatelaine's Poker Poetics" (angelicpoker.blogspot.com) and edits the journal GALATEA RESURRECTS: A Poetry Engagement while steering Meritage Press She is the Poet Laureate for Dutch Henry Winery in St. Helena, CA where, as a budding vintner, she is arduously and long-sufferingly researching the poetry of wine. ********** Otoliths, based in Rockhampton, on the Tropic of Capricorn in Australia. is an independent publisher of poetry in its literary and visual forms -- separately & in combination -- from around the world that takes advantage of the opportunities offered by the web and print on demand publishing to bring out both books & the journal it is named after. It's editor is Mark Young, a poet whose work has been appearing both in print & online for nearly 50 years. 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URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sun Nov 26 14:32:05 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:32:05 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] new Plath poem Message-ID: New Plath poem discovered "Ennui," a previously unpublished poem by the late Pulitzer Prize?winning poet Sylvia Plath '55, was recently published in Blackbird, an online journal of literature and the arts. Plath wrote "Ennui" while an undergraduate at Smith and may have originally intended to publish it. "It is difficult to realize how hard Plath worked to perfect her craft unless you read the poems written before 1956; many of these poems, like 'Ennui,' deserve publication," said Karen Kukil, editor of The Unabridged Journals of Sylvia Plath. Visit Blackbird at_ http://www.blackbird.vcu.edu_ (http://functions.publishingconcepts.com/bcst/elink.asp?idno=AV0040681&jobno=2SMT1072&email=smrbf at aol.com&linkno=89167) . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rsillima at yahoo.com Mon Nov 27 09:44:14 2006 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 06:44:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Of Ubuweb and more on Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <760175.84407.qm@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS The uses of multiplicity and layering (Frank Film, by Frank and Caroline Mouris) and the Ubuweb Film Archive Notes on painting and more The Da Vinci Code as film being faithful to the book breaking faith with the audience Some links regarding Alice?s Restaurant Joanna Newsom etc The middle road of Jim Bertolino A new poem by Jack Spicer in a marvelous anthology about the Bancroft Library (plus an aside on the poetry of Kevin Killian) Thomas Pynchon seen and heard thanks to YouTube Nate Mackey wins the NBA Ben Lerner and NO magazine (a note also on Amanda Nadelberg) Charles Bernstein as the anti-Watten of langpo Barrett Watten as the anti-Bernstein of langpo (2 roads to the new) Barrett Watten on negativity and the problem of the avant-garde What is an iconic poem? Inbox a poem in email, of email, by email by Noah Eli Gordon http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From elemenope at icubed.com Mon Nov 27 19:28:33 2006 From: elemenope at icubed.com (elemenope at icubed.com) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:28:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] 2. webstersdaily (Anny Ballardini) In-Reply-To: <200611271700.kARH05oQ031253@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200611271700.kARH05oQ031253@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <50479.205.201.10.98.1164673713.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com> A - This is very useful. Somehow, the language must be reopened. I was told in a very affirmative way at Thanksgiving by a dinnermate from Holland that he preferred to speak English because it has many times more words than Dutch. More words means he has more ways to say what he thinks. The "Ocean Poem" you shared the other day emerges from another useful and related aesthetic. In thinking about James Wright, or Sylvia Plath, I think about anguished personalities located in opposition. In opposition to such oppositions, a poetry that aspires to a condition of pure music, ambient music currently, seems appropriate. I'm not talking Muzak. R - - 2. webstersdaily (Anny Ballardini) > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:08:37 +0100 > From: "Anny Ballardini" > > Josh Wallaert posts one "found poem" every day from the first edition of > Webster's American Dictionary (1828). For example: > > Hope [n.] A sloping plain between ridges of mountains. [Not in > use.] > > http://webstersdaily.blogspot.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Nov 28 06:50:37 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:50:37 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] 2. webstersdaily (Anny Ballardini) References: <200611271700.kARH05oQ031253@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <50479.205.201.10.98.1164673713.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com> Message-ID: <005b01c712e3$6c076a90$fede3052@ANNY> I read somewhere that English is the language with most words, but since I do not have the reference I might be inventing. I particularly liked the "Ocean Poem", it is one of the best poems I have recently "seen". Agreed from here with what you are saying. From: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:28 AM >A - > > This is very useful. Somehow, the language must be reopened. I was told > in a very affirmative way at Thanksgiving by a dinnermate from Holland > that he > preferred to speak English because it has many times more words than > Dutch. More words means he has more ways to say what he thinks. > > The "Ocean Poem" you shared the other day emerges from another useful > and related aesthetic. > > In thinking about James Wright, or Sylvia Plath, I think about anguished > personalities located in opposition. > > In opposition to such oppositions, a poetry that aspires to a condition of > pure music, ambient music currently, seems appropriate. I'm not talking > Muzak. > > > > R - - > > From JforJames at aol.com Tue Nov 28 20:55:08 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:55:08 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] kinnell with his slacker coif Message-ID: _http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/books/Kirby.t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/books/Kirby.t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) On the Borderline By DAVID KIRBY Published: November 26, 2006 Strong is whose hold? Walt Whitman answers the question posed by the title of Galway Kinnell?s latest book of poems (his first collection of new work in more than a decade) in an 1871 poem called ?The Last Invocation,? the concluding lines of which say, ?Strong is your hold O mortal flesh? and ?Strong is your hold O love.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Nov 29 13:00:59 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:00:59 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] the awful grace of God Message-ID: <008d01c713e0$53c48aa0$e22ab750@ANNY> "Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God." Aeschylus quoted by Rebecca Drake who quotes it by Robert Kennedy when Martin Luther King was assassinated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexdickow9 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 14:39:28 2006 From: alexdickow9 at yahoo.com (Alexander Dickow) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:39:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Recent Voix Off posts In-Reply-To: <200611291700.kATH03oQ025216@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <753038.75266.qm@web35506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Recent mostly dual-language posts on Voix Off, www.alexdickow.net/blog. Tiny poem: Po?me minuscule (4) Tiny poem: Po?me minuscule (3) Premi?res r?actions ? mon recueil in?dit: First Reactions to My Unpublished Book Pr?t?rition: Preterition Van Gogh's Ear Publication: Aaron Belz and Alexander Dickow Tiny poem: Po?me minuscule (2) Vanity: Vanit?! Max Jacob, continued...: de nouveau, Max Jacob... Tiny poem: Po?me minuscule Poems: Po?mes www.alexdickow.net/blog/ les mots! ah quel d?sert ? la fin merveilleux. -- Henri Droguet From JforJames at aol.com Wed Nov 29 18:08:51 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:08:51 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Art of the Book at 92nd Street Y Message-ID: DON??T MISS: The Art of the Book: Behind the Covers With Dave Eggers, Chip Kidd and Milton Glaser Reading at the 92nd Street Y Unterberg Poetry Center. Monday, December 4 at 8 pm in Kaufmann Concert Hall. As always, the Poetry Center is offering $10 tickets to anyone under the age of 35. These tickets are available for purchase on the web at _www.92y.org/poetry_ (http://www.92y.org/poetry) . * Dave Eggers is the author of ??A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius?? and, most recently, ??What is the What.?? He is also the editor and art director of ??McSweeney??s.?? * Chip Kidd, the longtime art director at Alfred A. Knopf, has been called ??the closest thing to a rock star?? in publishing by the Globe & Mail of Toronto. * In 2004, the Cooper-Hewitt National Design Museum presented Milton Glaser with a lifetime achievement award. His memorable designs include the ??I ?? NY?? logo and covers for Shakespeare??s works for several publishers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: