From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Mar 1 05:06:47 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:06:47 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Teaching "America" Outside the US Message-ID: <00c601c63d17$da519680$17ab3452@ANNY> Teaching "America" Outside the US JAST, Journal of American Studies of Turkey, a semiannual interdisciplinary journal with international authorship, invites the submission of essays for a special issue on Teaching American culture outside the United States. Possible topics include, but are not limited to: - What should American Studies curricula in locations outside the US seek to accomplish? - How does one present the US within a disciplinary paradigm that promotes transnational and subnational American studies? - How is the teaching of American culture affected by the lack of those conceptions and misconceptions that provide American students perspectives on the constitution/reconstitution/dissolution of "America"? What conceptions and misconceptions take their place? What possibilities do they engender? - How do curricular goals translate into the classroom: What texts, contexts, events, and concepts are most important or most useful, and for what reasons? What pedagogies are most successful? The editors also welcome reviews of books and films related to the topic of this special issue. Deadline for submission of articles and reviews: 15 September 2006. All correspondence and manuscripts for this special issue should be directed to the issue editor, Kevin R. McNamara, Ege University/University of Houston-Clear Lake, kmcnamara at houston.rr.com. Article manuscripts of 12-20 double-spaced pages and book or film reviews of 500-1000 words should be submitted as MS-Word attachments All manuscripts should follow the MLA Style. Identifying information should be placed on a separate title page. More detailed information on the format for articles and reviews is available at http://edebiyat.ege.edu.tr/bolumler/amerikan/en/jast/Notes.html. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Mar 1 06:27:54 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:27:54 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] John A. Kirk, Martin Luther King, Jr. (London: Pearson Lon gman, 2005) Message-ID: <014701c63d23$2f5c5dd0$17ab3452@ANNY> John A. Kirk, Martin Luther King, Jr. (London: Pearson Longman, 2005) ISBN 0582414318 ?14.99 Described recently in the journal Patterns of Prejudice (40:1, 2006) as the "finest brief biography of King currently on the market," this book provides a succinct yet substantive introduction to Martin Luther King, Jr. and his place in the American civil rights movement. It provides a searching analysis of King's leadership role and the attributes that made him such a key figure in the movement, whilst at the same time locating his leadership firmly within the context of other leaders and organisations, voices and opinions, and tactics and ideologies, which made up the movement as a whole. John A. Kirk is Professor of US History at Royal Holloway, University of London. He has written extensively on the history of the civil rights movement, including Redefining the Color Line: Black Activism in Little Rock, Arkansas, 1940 - 1970 (Gainesville, University of Florida Press, 2002) which won the 2003 J. G. Ragsdale Book Award. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Mar 1 12:50:05 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:50:05 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] prose poem Message-ID: <007b01c63d58$92dad870$17ab3452@ANNY> Here is Dennis Barone: DB: Duncan also said that responsibility means to respond. So if the prose poem is an important form in our time, then it is my responsibility if I am to be poet in this time to respond to that form in some way that is my way. Forms / Froms is a response to that formalistic urge and to others as well and out of the odd mix that is the Forms/ Froms combination there comes a rather unique, I think, result. The other way to think of it is this: I have been interested in a prose that is poetic, never a poetry that is prosaic. As Stevens put it: "a prose that wears the poem's guise at last." I think I said that right. Aaron Shurin's writing, for example, or Lyn Hejinian's My Life. Some of Brian Evenson, who I think is an extraordinary writer. I have never written a long work of prose, a novel. I'm not sure I ever will. In fact, I doubt it very much. And a shorter work, it seems to me, must maintain a poetic intensity. Every sentence has to be good enough to exist on its own. I don't think this is the case in a novel. In a novel, the author must be skilled at modulation, sometimes moving the story along and at other times elevating the language. I think one example that does this so well is John Fante's great Los Angeles novel Ask the Dust. And if you wish to read more: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2004winter/barone.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Wed Mar 1 19:11:19 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:11:19 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] prose poem Message-ID: <111.5c2f2cab.31379227@cs.com> In a message dated 3/1/2006 11:50:50 AM Central Standard Time, anny.ballardini at tin.it writes: > > Here is Dennis Barone: > > DB: Duncan also said that responsibility means to respond. So if the prose > poem is an important form in our time, then it is my responsibility if I am > to be poet in this time to respond to that form in some way that is my way. > Forms / Froms is a response to that formalistic urge and to others as well and > out of the odd mix that is the Forms/ Froms combination there comes a rather > unique, I think, result. > > > For what it's worth (from a card-carrying New Formalist) one of my favorite poets, for many, many years, has been Russell Edson. The prose poem in English is as legitimate a form as, well, if not the sonnet, at least the sestina, which started to show up in English-language poetry at about the same time as the prose poem. Ditto the villanelle and ballade. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Wed Mar 1 22:16:43 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:16:43 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Utopoeia Message-ID: <157.606dba6e.3137bd9b@aol.com> Utopoeia: the poem as utopia built from language; a place where the mind wants to dwell forever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu Thu Mar 2 13:44:22 2006 From: rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu (Richard Wilsnack) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:44:22 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] prose poem In-Reply-To: <007b01c63d58$92dad870$17ab3452@ANNY> References: <007b01c63d58$92dad870$17ab3452@ANNY> Message-ID: <44073D06.90400@medicine.nodak.edu> Anny Ballardini wrote: > ...a shorter work, it seems to me, must maintain a poetic intensity. > Every sentence has to be good enough to exist on its own. I don't > think this is the case in a novel. In a novel, the author must be > skilled at modulation, sometimes moving the story along and at other > times elevating the language. I think one example that does this so > well is John Fante's great Los Angeles novel /Ask the Dust/. > Anny et al., to expand on what you have said, is it possible that some of the best prose poetry is not written to be poetry, but written as prose in a way that turns out to be poetic? I'm thinking of numerous novels where the authors were apparently not "trying" to write poetry, but at times their prose develops the feeling and the rhythms of poetry. For example, in Malcolm Lowry's _Under the Volcano_ there are extended passages that read almost as blank verse. [To illustrate, I've broken a few lines roughly and arbitrarily into pentameter]: _ _... and once again, the nightly grapple with death, the room shaking with demonic orchestras, the snatches of fearful sleep, the voices outside the window, my name being continually repeated with scorn by imaginary parties arriving, the dark's spinets. As if there were not enough real noises in these nights the color of grey hair. Not like the rending tumult of American cities, the noise of the unbandaging of great giants in agony. But the howling pariah dogs, the cocks that herald dawn all night, the drumming, the moaning that will be found later white plumage huddled on telegraph wires in back gardens, or fowl roosting in apple trees, the eternal sorrow that never sleeps of great Mexico. For myself, I like to take my sorrow into the shadow of old monasteries, my guilt into cloisters and under tapestries, and into the misericordes of unimaginable cantinas where sad-faced porters and legless beggars drink at dawn, whose cold jonquil beauty one rediscovers in death. Richard W. Wilsnack rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 15:17:59 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:17:59 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] prose poem In-Reply-To: <44073D06.90400@medicine.nodak.edu> References: <007b01c63d58$92dad870$17ab3452@ANNY> <44073D06.90400@medicine.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603021217q6f367ef9t74004c1a6dbd9f6e@mail.gmail.com> Why is prosaic alway bad and poetic always good? I *like* good prose-- if it were up to me, prosaic would be a positive description of a certain trend in poetry (some prose poems) towards storytelling and expansiveness where poetic always seems to be biased towards conciseness. c From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Mar 2 16:07:24 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:07:24 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] prose poem References: <007b01c63d58$92dad870$17ab3452@ANNY> <44073D06.90400@medicine.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <002801c63e3d$4fa8d670$c22bb750@ANNY> I must say that I did not write the quotation below, but Dennis Barone. And I do agree with him. He was distinguishing in-between a prose poem and a novel. A novel, from what I understand he says, needs a plot, a story, facts and events, some other times the author of the novel can linger in poetic considerations. One of my favorite books is Under the Volcano by Malcolm Lowry, and I agree, his is a highly symbolic thickly baroque verging to the decadent poetic prose. Then with him, too, we get to the level of the novel when for example he has to walk those couple of steps to get to the pub to get drunk, which is just about all the true action taking place in the book; his oneiric action is sided with poetry. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wilsnack To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] prose poem Anny Ballardini wrote: ...a shorter work, it seems to me, must maintain a poetic intensity. Every sentence has to be good enough to exist on its own. I don't think this is the case in a novel. In a novel, the author must be skilled at modulation, sometimes moving the story along and at other times elevating the language. I think one example that does this so well is John Fante's great Los Angeles novel Ask the Dust. Anny et al., to expand on what you have said, is it possible that some of the best prose poetry is not written to be poetry, but written as prose in a way that turns out to be poetic? I'm thinking of numerous novels where the authors were apparently not "trying" to write poetry, but at times their prose develops the feeling and the rhythms of poetry. For example, in Malcolm Lowry's Under the Volcano there are extended passages that read almost as blank verse. [To illustrate, I've broken a few lines roughly and arbitrarily into pentameter]: ... and once again, the nightly grapple with death, the room shaking with demonic orchestras, the snatches of fearful sleep, the voices outside the window, my name being continually repeated with scorn by imaginary parties arriving, the dark's spinets. As if there were not enough real noises in these nights the color of grey hair. Not like the rending tumult of American cities, the noise of the unbandaging of great giants in agony. But the howling pariah dogs, the cocks that herald dawn all night, the drumming, the moaning that will be found later white plumage huddled on telegraph wires in back gardens, or fowl roosting in apple trees, the eternal sorrow that never sleeps of great Mexico. For myself, I like to take my sorrow into the shadow of old monasteries, my guilt into cloisters and under tapestries, and into the misericordes of unimaginable cantinas where sad-faced porters and legless beggars drink at dawn, whose cold jonquil beauty one rediscovers in death. Richard W. Wilsnack rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 12:29:44 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:29:44 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] prose poem In-Reply-To: <002801c63e3d$4fa8d670$c22bb750@ANNY> References: <007b01c63d58$92dad870$17ab3452@ANNY> <44073D06.90400@medicine.nodak.edu> <002801c63e3d$4fa8d670$c22bb750@ANNY> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603030929y20b6cdcemb4d17ce4792d03cd@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > I must say that I did not write the quotation below, but Dennis Barone. And > I do agree with him. I was just asking the question generally, not meaning to attribute a position to you, Anny :) c From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Mar 3 16:40:40 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:40:40 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner Message-ID: <00a001c63f0b$1e02fbe0$98d93052@ANNY> Dear All, an update for the Poets' Corner with a section dedicated to the translations into Italian I did of several poems. Newly featured Poets: Diane Lockward http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=202 Crag Hill http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=203 Michele Pierri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=204 New added poems to already featured Authors: by Richard Dillon MERCY IN THE MIX http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1488 DEATH http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1489 ON TIME AT THE THIRD DIMENSION TAVERN http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1490 by David Howard REVISITING CHURCH SQUARE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1491 by Elizabeth Smither Listening to The Goldberg Variations http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1492 by Ann Fisher-Wirth When You Come to Love http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1493 by Alan Sondheim Apropos http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1494 Sound Images http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1502 by Beverly Materne THE VISION OF MADAME BRIGNAC http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1495 by Victor Sosa As? es, Milena, http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1514 by Barry Alpert SOUND TRACK http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1515 and Ludovit Lehen with two beautiful still lives: Natura morta http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1516 Natura morta http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1517 Plus the new translation into Slovakian by Marco Gerbi of his own introduction to the Artist: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1398 Under Poets on Poets, I did the following translations into Italian http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets ECCOLA di Richard Dillon http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=81 LA BORSETTA di Ruth Fainlight http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=83 IL MIO ALTRO OCCHIO di James Finnegan http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=85 Trieste di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=87 DEUS EX MACHINA di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=88 COME SE IL CIELO di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=89 Acqua Sul Sole di Grace Cavalieri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=91 Perch? sono rimasti insieme di Grace Cavalieri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=92 La cappella in rovina di Douglas Clark http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=94 Maghi di Douglas Clark http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=95 La via del vicolo - Barcellona 2004 di Ian Davidson http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=97 21 giugno 2004 di Ian Davidson http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=98 Da Giorni e Anni di Karl Young http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=100 Cortile dietro casa di John Tranter http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=102 MIO PADRE FA COLAZIONE CON CHOU EN-LAI di Tad Richards http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=104 La Terra Perduta di Susan M. Schultz http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=106 nature morte: O Retorica! di John Kinsella http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=107 Come Parlare alla Tua Mucca di Alan Michael Parker http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=109 Ascoltando Le Variazioni di Goldberg di Elizabeth Smither http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=111 Quando Arrivi all'Amore di Ann Fisher-Wirth http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=113 SOTTO L'ALBERO di Helen Ruggiri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=115 Bimba di York di Nessa O'Mahony http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=117 SINOPSI DEL CICLO (5) di Spencer Selby http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=119 LE FOTO ROVINATE di Janet McCann http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=121 RIVISITANDO LA PIAZZA DELLA CHIESA di David Howard http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=123 LA MASCHERA DEL PARADISO di Elena Karina Byrne http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=125 LA VISIONE DI MADAME BRIGNAC di Beverly Matherne http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=128 The main index can be found here: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content With my acknowledgement to all featured Authors, my best wishes, Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Mar 3 23:50:08 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:50:08 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] NBCC winner Message-ID: <71A8296C-1A6A-4AC7-987F-7B421539BE0D@ripon.edu> A poem from this year's winning collection for the Nation Book Critics Circle prize: Exceeding The Spirit Beyond what the fires have left of the cathedral you can see old men standing here and there in administration buildings looking out of the fine casements with the glass gone. Idle and bewildered. A few people who are in the weed-choked streets below carry things without purpose, holding fading memories inside of what the good used to be. Immense ships rise in the distance, beached and dying. Starving men crouch in the dirt of the plaza with a scrap of cloth before them, trying to sell nothing: one with dead fuses and a burnt-out lightbulb, another with just a heavy bolt and screw rusted together. One has two Byzantine coins and a lump of oxidation which has a silver piece inside stamped with the face of Hermes, but he doesn?t know it. A strange place to look for what matters, what is worthy. To arrive now at the wilderness alone and striving harder for discontent, to need again. Not for salvation. To go on because there might be something like him. To visit what is importantly unknown of what is. Jack Gilbert, *Refusing Heaven*, Knopf , 2005 ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 4 07:39:20 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:39:20 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] NBCC winner References: <71A8296C-1A6A-4AC7-987F-7B421539BE0D@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <003a01c63f88$a8b4a130$5fa83852@ANNY> A good poem and a good choice. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 5:50 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] NBCC winner A poem from this year's winning collection for the Nation Book Critics Circle prize: Exceeding The Spirit Beyond what the fires have left of the cathedral you can see old men standing here and there in administration buildings looking out of the fine casements with the glass gone. Idle and bewildered. A few people who are in the weed-choked streets below carry things without purpose, holding fading memories inside of what the good used to be. Immense ships rise in the distance, beached and dying. Starving men crouch in the dirt of the plaza with a scrap of cloth before them, trying to sell nothing: one with dead fuses and a burnt-out lightbulb, another with just a heavy bolt and screw rusted together. One has two Byzantine coins and a lump of oxidation which has a silver piece inside stamped with the face of Hermes, but he doesn?t know it. A strange place to look for what matters, what is worthy. To arrive now at the wilderness alone and striving harder for discontent, to need again. Not for salvation. To go on because there might be something like him. To visit what is importantly unknown of what is. 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Newly featured Poets: Diane Lockward http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=202 Crag Hill http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=203 Michele Pierri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=204 New added poems to already featured Authors: by Richard Dillon MERCY IN THE MIX http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1488 DEATH http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1489 ON TIME AT THE THIRD DIMENSION TAVERN http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1490 by David Howard REVISITING CHURCH SQUARE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1491 by Elizabeth Smither Listening to The Goldberg Variations http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1492 by Ann Fisher-Wirth When You Come to Love http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1493 by Alan Sondheim Apropos http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1494 Sound Images http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1502 by Beverly Materne THE VISION OF MADAME BRIGNAC http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1495 by Victor Sosa As? es, Milena, http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1514 by Barry Alpert SOUND TRACK http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1515 and Ludovit Lehen with two beautiful still lives: Natura morta http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1516 Natura morta http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1517 Plus the new translation into Slovakian by Marco Gerbi of his own introduction to the Artist: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1398 Under Poets on Poets, I did the following translations into Italian http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets ECCOLA di Richard Dillon http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=81 LA BORSETTA di Ruth Fainlight http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=83 IL MIO ALTRO OCCHIO di James Finnegan http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=85 Trieste di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=87 DEUS EX MACHINA di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=88 COME SE IL CIELO di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=89 Acqua Sul Sole di Grace Cavalieri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=91 Perch? sono rimasti insieme di Grace Cavalieri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=92 La cappella in rovina di Douglas Clark http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=94 Maghi di Douglas Clark http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=95 La via del vicolo - Barcellona 2004 di Ian Davidson http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=97 21 giugno 2004 di Ian Davidson http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=98 Da Giorni e Anni di Karl Young http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=100 Cortile dietro casa di John Tranter http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=102 MIO PADRE FA COLAZIONE CON CHOU EN-LAI di Tad Richards http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=104 La Terra Perduta di Susan M. Schultz http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=106 nature morte: O Retorica! di John Kinsella http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=107 Come Parlare alla Tua Mucca di Alan Michael Parker http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=109 Ascoltando Le Variazioni di Goldberg di Elizabeth Smither http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=111 Quando Arrivi all'Amore di Ann Fisher-Wirth http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=113 SOTTO L'ALBERO di Helen Ruggiri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=115 Bimba di York di Nessa O'Mahony http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=117 SINOPSI DEL CICLO (5) di Spencer Selby http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=119 LE FOTO ROVINATE di Janet McCann http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=121 RIVISITANDO LA PIAZZA DELLA CHIESA di David Howard http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=123 LA MASCHERA DEL PARADISO di Elena Karina Byrne http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=125 LA VISIONE DI MADAME BRIGNAC di Beverly Matherne http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=128 The main index can be found here: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content With my acknowledgement to all featured Authors, my best wishes, Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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I also wrote Materne instead of Matherne__ I loved your poem instead, till soon, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner Hi Anny, love the translations but can you respell ruggiri as ruggieri xxx h ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: New Poetry Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner Dear All, an update for the Poets' Corner with a section dedicated to the translations into Italian I did of several poems. Newly featured Poets: Diane Lockward http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=202 Crag Hill http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=203 Michele Pierri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=204 New added poems to already featured Authors: by Richard Dillon MERCY IN THE MIX http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1488 DEATH http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1489 ON TIME AT THE THIRD DIMENSION TAVERN http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1490 by David Howard REVISITING CHURCH SQUARE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1491 by Elizabeth Smither Listening to The Goldberg Variations http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1492 by Ann Fisher-Wirth When You Come to Love http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1493 by Alan Sondheim Apropos http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1494 Sound Images http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1502 by Beverly Materne THE VISION OF MADAME BRIGNAC http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1495 by Victor Sosa As? es, Milena, http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1514 by Barry Alpert SOUND TRACK http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1515 and Ludovit Lehen with two beautiful still lives: Natura morta http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1516 Natura morta http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1517 Plus the new translation into Slovakian by Marco Gerbi of his own introduction to the Artist: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1398 Under Poets on Poets, I did the following translations into Italian http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets ECCOLA di Richard Dillon http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=81 LA BORSETTA di Ruth Fainlight http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=83 IL MIO ALTRO OCCHIO di James Finnegan http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=85 Trieste di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=87 DEUS EX MACHINA di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=88 COME SE IL CIELO di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=89 Acqua Sul Sole di Grace Cavalieri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=91 Perch? sono rimasti insieme di Grace Cavalieri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=92 La cappella in rovina di Douglas Clark http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=94 Maghi di Douglas Clark http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=95 La via del vicolo - Barcellona 2004 di Ian Davidson http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=97 21 giugno 2004 di Ian Davidson http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=98 Da Giorni e Anni di Karl Young http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=100 Cortile dietro casa di John Tranter http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=102 MIO PADRE FA COLAZIONE CON CHOU EN-LAI di Tad Richards http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=104 La Terra Perduta di Susan M. Schultz http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=106 nature morte: O Retorica! di John Kinsella http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=107 Come Parlare alla Tua Mucca di Alan Michael Parker http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=109 Ascoltando Le Variazioni di Goldberg di Elizabeth Smither http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=111 Quando Arrivi all'Amore di Ann Fisher-Wirth http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=113 SOTTO L'ALBERO di Helen Ruggiri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=115 Bimba di York di Nessa O'Mahony http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=117 SINOPSI DEL CICLO (5) di Spencer Selby http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=119 LE FOTO ROVINATE di Janet McCann http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=121 RIVISITANDO LA PIAZZA DELLA CHIESA di David Howard http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=123 LA MASCHERA DEL PARADISO di Elena Karina Byrne http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=125 LA VISIONE DI MADAME BRIGNAC di Beverly Matherne http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=128 The main index can be found here: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content With my acknowledgement to all featured Authors, my best wishes, Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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I also wrote Materne instead of Matherne__ I loved your poem instead, till soon, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner Hi Anny, love the translations but can you respell ruggiri as ruggieri xxx h ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: New Poetry Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner Dear All, an update for the Poets' Corner with a section dedicated to the translations into Italian I did of several poems. Newly featured Poets: Diane Lockward http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=202 Crag Hill http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=203 Michele Pierri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=204 New added poems to already featured Authors: by Richard Dillon MERCY IN THE MIX http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1488 DEATH http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1489 ON TIME AT THE THIRD DIMENSION TAVERN http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1490 by David Howard REVISITING CHURCH SQUARE http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1491 by Elizabeth Smither Listening to The Goldberg Variations http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1492 by Ann Fisher-Wirth When You Come to Love http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1493 by Alan Sondheim Apropos http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1494 Sound Images http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1502 by Beverly Materne THE VISION OF MADAME BRIGNAC http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1495 by Victor Sosa As? es, Milena, http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1514 by Barry Alpert SOUND TRACK http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1515 and Ludovit Lehen with two beautiful still lives: Natura morta http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1516 Natura morta http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1517 Plus the new translation into Slovakian by Marco Gerbi of his own introduction to the Artist: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1398 Under Poets on Poets, I did the following translations into Italian http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets ECCOLA di Richard Dillon http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=81 LA BORSETTA di Ruth Fainlight http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=83 IL MIO ALTRO OCCHIO di James Finnegan http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=85 Trieste di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=87 DEUS EX MACHINA di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=88 COME SE IL CIELO di Dennis Barone http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=89 Acqua Sul Sole di Grace Cavalieri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=91 Perch? sono rimasti insieme di Grace Cavalieri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=92 La cappella in rovina di Douglas Clark http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=94 Maghi di Douglas Clark http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=95 La via del vicolo - Barcellona 2004 di Ian Davidson http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=97 21 giugno 2004 di Ian Davidson http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=98 Da Giorni e Anni di Karl Young http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=100 Cortile dietro casa di John Tranter http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=102 MIO PADRE FA COLAZIONE CON CHOU EN-LAI di Tad Richards http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=104 La Terra Perduta di Susan M. Schultz http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=106 nature morte: O Retorica! di John Kinsella http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=107 Come Parlare alla Tua Mucca di Alan Michael Parker http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=109 Ascoltando Le Variazioni di Goldberg di Elizabeth Smither http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=111 Quando Arrivi all'Amore di Ann Fisher-Wirth http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=113 SOTTO L'ALBERO di Helen Ruggiri http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=115 Bimba di York di Nessa O'Mahony http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=117 SINOPSI DEL CICLO (5) di Spencer Selby http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=119 LE FOTO ROVINATE di Janet McCann http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=121 RIVISITANDO LA PIAZZA DELLA CHIESA di David Howard http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=123 LA MASCHERA DEL PARADISO di Elena Karina Byrne http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=125 LA VISIONE DI MADAME BRIGNAC di Beverly Matherne http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=128 The main index can be found here: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content With my acknowledgement to all featured Authors, my best wishes, Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 4 13:25:51 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:25:51 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner References: <00a001c63f0b$1e02fbe0$98d93052@ANNY><006f01c63fa1$25b2d7c0$6500a8c0@Helen><004201c63faa$b61e3120$5fa83852@ANNY> <002e01c63faf$995be140$6500a8c0@Helen> Message-ID: <00a601c63fb9$1148c840$5fa83852@ANNY> I like her poetry very much, it has that taste of New Orleans that kept me there and keeps me tied to it, that thick gumbo jambalaya rice-and-beens beer /bananabread( superstition legends lights rascals sun-on-the-flat-dried-out-luxuriant land Here she is: THE VISION OF MADAME BRIGNAC Mme Brignac stirred white flour in cooking oil, a roux for andouille gumbo. She prepared the dish only once a month. Sausage cost more than she had. She thought of her husband Jean, glanced at his burial crucifix above her door. How she used to make gumbo every Sunday, in honor of him. The roux reached the color of dark chocolate. Mme Brignac heard twigs and leaves crack on the path to her shack. She rested her cooking spoon in a saucer and slid her iron pot to the back burner. She looked out the window. She saw, walking toward her door, a young mother holding her little boy by the hand. Both were barefoot and wore clothes made from flour sacks. When they saw Mme Brignac in her window, they raised their open palms for bread. Mme Brignac reached for the latch of her door. Light flooded its frame and filled the room. The two beggars appeared before her. The mother smiled. Her son's hands were bleeding. "Who hurt him?" asked Mme Brignac. "Is your pain bad?" she said to the boy. The boy did not answer. The scent of jasmine rose from his wounds. Rain fell on her tin roof. Mme Brignac heard a strange sound, the rhythm of gourds. She glanced toward the sound at the foot of the mother, into the red throat of a rattlesnake. Mme Brignac wanted to warn the mother. The mother stood motionless. She shone like ginger lilies, like the moon, like Jean's crucifix at dawn. ? Beverly Materne ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner She has a great CD Le blues braillant - wow. really good. xxx h ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner Yes, sorry, yours was not the only spelling mistake I did. I also wrote Materne instead of Matherne__ I loved your poem instead, till soon, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner Hi Anny, love the translations but can you respell ruggiri as ruggieri xxx h -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hruggier at localnet.com Sat Mar 4 15:33:55 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:33:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner References: <00a001c63f0b$1e02fbe0$98d93052@ANNY><006f01c63fa1$25b2d7c0$6500a8c0@Helen><004201c63faa$b61e3120$5fa83852@ANNY><002e01c63faf$995be140$6500a8c0@Helen> <00a601c63fb9$1148c840$5fa83852@ANNY> Message-ID: <002501c63fca$f681c040$3655fea9@Helen> I'm proud to say I was in the workshop (Rustbelt Roethke) where she presented it a few years back - not that we could find a way to stick the prybar in anywhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner I like her poetry very much, it has that taste of New Orleans that kept me there and keeps me tied to it, that thick gumbo jambalaya rice-and-beens beer /bananabread( superstition legends lights rascals sun-on-the-flat-dried-out-luxuriant land Here she is: THE VISION OF MADAME BRIGNAC Mme Brignac stirred white flour in cooking oil, a roux for andouille gumbo. She prepared the dish only once a month. Sausage cost more than she had. She thought of her husband Jean, glanced at his burial crucifix above her door. How she used to make gumbo every Sunday, in honor of him. The roux reached the color of dark chocolate. Mme Brignac heard twigs and leaves crack on the path to her shack. She rested her cooking spoon in a saucer and slid her iron pot to the back burner. She looked out the window. She saw, walking toward her door, a young mother holding her little boy by the hand. Both were barefoot and wore clothes made from flour sacks. When they saw Mme Brignac in her window, they raised their open palms for bread. Mme Brignac reached for the latch of her door. Light flooded its frame and filled the room. The two beggars appeared before her. The mother smiled. Her son's hands were bleeding. "Who hurt him?" asked Mme Brignac. "Is your pain bad?" she said to the boy. The boy did not answer. The scent of jasmine rose from his wounds. Rain fell on her tin roof. Mme Brignac heard a strange sound, the rhythm of gourds. She glanced toward the sound at the foot of the mother, into the red throat of a rattlesnake. Mme Brignac wanted to warn the mother. The mother stood motionless. She shone like ginger lilies, like the moon, like Jean's crucifix at dawn. ? Beverly Materne ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner She has a great CD Le blues braillant - wow. really good. xxx h ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner Yes, sorry, yours was not the only spelling mistake I did. I also wrote Materne instead of Matherne__ I loved your poem instead, till soon, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner Hi Anny, love the translations but can you respell ruggiri as ruggieri xxx h ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 4 15:49:20 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:49:20 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner References: <00a001c63f0b$1e02fbe0$98d93052@ANNY><006f01c63fa1$25b2d7c0$6500a8c0@Helen><004201c63faa$b61e3120$5fa83852@ANNY><002e01c63faf$995be140$6500a8c0@Helen><00a601c63fb9$1148c840$5fa83852@ANNY> <002501c63fca$f681c040$3655fea9@Helen> Message-ID: <013d01c63fcd$1cbdbc80$5fa83852@ANNY> To put the cherry on the whipped cream, as they say here in Italy, I would like to post this poem by Helen Ruggieri. I was quite happy when I found for : clopping ___ "zoccolando" (-clogging) in Italian, that gives the idea of those big shoes, exactly clopping around together with dragged long skirts on which you ended up treading -as Helen says _and the way she ends her poem, that anyhow we were not forced to play, were we? I know that _boys_ did not do such ...things: UNDER THE ARBOR On hot afternoons we'd sit on the dry packed earth under the grape vines, pick off woody tendrils, make rings and bracelets, hang hard silvery grapes from them like exotic stones. We'd roll play cigarettes from paper, talk and gesture like women at cocktail parties in the movies, holding imaginary glasses in our hands, tapping our ashes with a flourish. We'd play house, take parts, divide things up - you be the mother, Mary, you be the bad daughter, Helen, you be the good one. I'll be the teacher telling your mother. We crossed our legs, put our hands on our hips, got the gestures down, and if we argued about which part we got and the game broke up we'd walk home clopping along in our mother's high heels, dragging our long skirts, our noses in the air, thinking that if we couldn't have the part we wanted, we didn't have to play. ? 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She prepared the dish only once a month. Sausage cost more than she had. She thought of her husband Jean, glanced at his burial crucifix above her door. How she used to make gumbo every Sunday, in honor of him. The roux reached the color of dark chocolate. Mme Brignac heard twigs and leaves crack on the path to her shack. She rested her cooking spoon in a saucer and slid her iron pot to the back burner. She looked out the window. She saw, walking toward her door, a young mother holding her little boy by the hand. Both were barefoot and wore clothes made from flour sacks. When they saw Mme Brignac in her window, they raised their open palms for bread. Mme Brignac reached for the latch of her door. Light flooded its frame and filled the room. The two beggars appeared before her. The mother smiled. Her son's hands were bleeding. "Who hurt him?" asked Mme Brignac. "Is your pain bad?" she said to the boy. The boy did not answer. The scent of jasmine rose from his wounds. Rain fell on her tin roof. Mme Brignac heard a strange sound, the rhythm of gourds. She glanced toward the sound at the foot of the mother, into the red throat of a rattlesnake. Mme Brignac wanted to warn the mother. The mother stood motionless. She shone like ginger lilies, like the moon, like Jean's crucifix at dawn. ? Beverly Materne ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner She has a great CD Le blues braillant - wow. really good. xxx h ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner Yes, sorry, yours was not the only spelling mistake I did. 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URL: From duemer at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 22:04:40 2006 From: duemer at gmail.com (Joseph Duemer) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 22:04:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Mr. and Mrs. Stevens In-Reply-To: <648208b60602271020u5a9e315ex417e6044baf337ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60602271020u5a9e315ex417e6044baf337ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not an actuary. He worked in surety bonds. Bonds that insured a contractor would complete his work. Once, traveling out of town to a business meeting, he was met at the train by a youngster from the local office. Mr. Stevens insisted that that stop for cinnamon buns on the way to the meeting & when all the august gentlemen of the law sat down to work out their business, Mr. Stevens offered the gooey buns all round & since he was the senior man, a vice-president, they all had to take one. Stevens had a wicked sense of humor & it is best to read him with this in mind. Always assume he is messing with you. 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On 2/21/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > *** > Odi et amo. quare id faciam, fortasse requiris? > nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior. > --Catullus > > Now available from BlazeVox Books: > > Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets, by Kent Johnson > > 270 pages of epigrams and images topical to poets of our era > > Praefatio by the author; Introductio by Dale Smith; Cauda by Gongora > (adapted from Plautus) > > "Thanks for sending me the epigrams.* Superb. It's about time for > something of the sort, I'd say, what with the ass licking that rules the > day. Especially the ass-licking that some ass-lickers want to pass off > as "avant-garde confrontation." My salute... And as to your question, > well, yeah, absolutely: Olson, if he'd lived to see what has happened, > would have loved these." > --Ed Dorn > * from a response by Dorn to a batch of the first epigrams, sent to him > in early 1999. > > (to see the book's cover, Table of Contents, and for ordering): > > http://www.cafepress.com/blazevox.47856388 > > (to read the book's Praefatio): > > http://www.fascicle.com/issue02/main/issue02_frameset.htm > > Also soon available from BlazeVox Books: > > Rodney Koenecke's *Musee Mecanique* > > Mike Magee's *Mainstream* > > Daniel Nester's *The History of My World Tonight* > > Please visit our online bookstore: http://www.cafepress.com/blazevox > > > Geoffrey Gatza > Editor > BlazeVox Books > > > > > ------------------------------ > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Joseph Duemer Professor of Humanities Clarkson University [chujoe.net] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And to produce a couple of epigrams of my own. On 2/21/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: *** Odi et amo. quare id faciam, fortasse requiris? nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior. --Catullus Now available from BlazeVox Books: Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets, by Kent Johnson 270 pages of epigrams and images topical to poets of our era Praefatio by the author; Introductio by Dale Smith; Cauda by Gongora (adapted from Plautus) "Thanks for sending me the epigrams.* Superb. It's about time for something of the sort, I'd say, what with the ass licking that rules the day. Especially the ass-licking that some ass-lickers want to pass off as "avant-garde confrontation." My salute... And as to your question, well, yeah, absolutely: Olson, if he'd lived to see what has happened, would have loved these." --Ed Dorn * from a response by Dorn to a batch of the first epigrams, sent to him in early 1999. (to see the book's cover, Table of Contents, and for ordering): http://www.cafepress.com/blazevox.47856388 (to read the book's Praefatio): http://www.fascicle.com/issue02/main/issue02_frameset.htm Also soon available from BlazeVox Books: Rodney Koenecke's *Musee Mecanique* Mike Magee's *Mainstream* Daniel Nester's *The History of My World Tonight* Please visit our online bookstore: http://www.cafepress.com/blazevox Geoffrey Gatza Editor BlazeVox Books ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Joseph Duemer Professor of Humanities Clarkson University [chujoe.net] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Mar 5 06:39:15 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:39:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets, by Kent Johnson References: <002701c6371b$96f0dc90$8fad3452@ANNY> Message-ID: <003601c64049$6f57c090$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> In the Merwin epigram, you have "out" for, presumably, "our." Your review seems sound enough to me. 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Our > popular poets are not formalists, our formalists not that popular. > > --Bob G., too minor to make it into Kent's book. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Joseph Duemer Professor of Humanities Clarkson University [chujoe.net] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Mar 5 09:58:40 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 15:58:40 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets, by Kent Johnson References: <002701c6371b$96f0dc90$8fad3452@ANNY><003601c64049$6f57c090$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <002301c64065$4a8f7cf0$16ab3252@ANNY> I can understand and agree. I am anyhow minor than Bob, thus cheers to Bob who thanks to me becomes a major. From: Joseph Duemer Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 2:03 PM Anny, I am more offended by the fact that it is not very good than the fact that it is not very nice. jd On 3/5/06, Bob Grumman < bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote: In the Merwin epigram, you have "out" for, presumably, "our." Your review seems sound enough to me. Who would be our Tennyson? Not Merwin. No one, I should think. Our popular poets are not formalists, our formalists not that popular. --Bob G., too minor to make it into Kent's book. -- Joseph Duemer Professor of Humanities Clarkson University [chujoe.net] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mr. Stevens insisted that that stop for cinnamon buns on the way to the meeting & when all the august gentlemen of the law sat down to work out their business, Mr. Stevens offered the gooey buns all round & since he was the senior man, a vice-president, they all had to take one. Stevens had a wicked sense of humor & it is best to read him with this in mind. Always assume he is messing with you. Joseph Duemer Poetry Editor The Wallace Stevens Journal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sun Mar 5 10:53:56 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:53:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets, by Kent Johnson References: <002701c6371b$96f0dc90$8fad3452@ANNY><003601c64049$6f57c090$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <007e01c6406d$029cef10$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> A great epigram, from a poet even Bob Grumman will appreciate. mr u will not be missed who as an anthologist sold the many on the few not excluding mr u ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Duemer To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets,by Kent Johnson Anny, I am more offended by the fact that it is not very good than the fact that it is not very nice. jd On 3/5/06, Bob Grumman < bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote: In the Merwin epigram, you have "out" for, presumably, "our." Your review seems sound enough to me. Who would be our Tennyson? Not Merwin. No one, I should think. Our popular poets are not formalists, our formalists not that popular. --Bob G., too minor to make it into Kent's book. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- Joseph Duemer Professor of Humanities Clarkson University [chujoe.net] _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Mar 5 11:35:18 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:35:18 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets, by Kent Johnson References: <002701c6371b$96f0dc90$8fad3452@ANNY><003601c64049$6f57c090$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <007e01c6406d$029cef10$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <007101c64072$d01f9d20$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> A great epigram, from a poet even Bob Grumman will appreciate. mr u will not be missed who as an anthologist sold the many on the few not excluding mr u Aye, we agree on this one, Mole. That mr. u.'s last name began with a u was nice, too--assuming it was Louis Untermeyer (although I have nothing against Untermeyer). I've heard it was aimed at Oscar Williams, though. Well, double u. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And the taking parts thing in the middle is a little homage to Bill Stafford xxx h ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner To put the cherry on the whipped cream, as they say here in Italy, I would like to post this poem by Helen Ruggieri. I was quite happy when I found for : clopping ___ "zoccolando" (-clogging) in Italian, that gives the idea of those big shoes, exactly clopping around together with dragged long skirts on which you ended up treading -as Helen says _and the way she ends her poem, that anyhow we were not forced to play, were we? I know that _boys_ did not do such ...things: UNDER THE ARBOR On hot afternoons we'd sit on the dry packed earth under the grape vines, pick off woody tendrils, make rings and bracelets, hang hard silvery grapes from them like exotic stones. We'd roll play cigarettes from paper, talk and gesture like women at cocktail parties in the movies, holding imaginary glasses in our hands, tapping our ashes with a flourish. We'd play house, take parts, divide things up - you be the mother, Mary, you be the bad daughter, Helen, you be the good one. I'll be the teacher telling your mother. We crossed our legs, put our hands on our hips, got the gestures down, and if we argued about which part we got and the game broke up we'd walk home clopping along in our mother's high heels, dragging our long skirts, our noses in the air, thinking that if we couldn't have the part we wanted, we didn't have to play. ? 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I've been lurking of & on for quite a while now, actually. As for Stevens & his wife, there are probably two books you'd want to look at: the recently published lettersbetween Stevens & Mrs. Stevens, and Parts of a World, an oral biography of Stevens. jd On 3/5/06, TheOldMole wrote: > > Joe -- a pleasure to see you in these parts. What can you tell me about > Stevens' relationship with his wife, and how -- if at all -- it connects to > his poetry? > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Joseph Duemer > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views > *Sent:* Saturday, March 04, 2006 10:04 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Mr. and Mrs. Stevens > > Not an actuary. He worked in surety bonds. Bonds that insured a contractor > would complete his work. Once, traveling out of town to a business meeting, > he was met at the train by a youngster from the local office. Mr. Stevens > insisted that that stop for cinnamon buns on the way to the meeting & when > all the august gentlemen of the law sat down to work out their business, Mr. > Stevens offered the gooey buns all round & since he was the senior man, a > vice-president, they all had to take one. Stevens had a wicked sense of > humor & it is best to read him with this in mind. Always assume he is > messing with you. > > Joseph Duemer > Poetry Editor > The Wallace Stevens Journal > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Joseph Duemer Professor of Humanities Clarkson University [chujoe.net] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Mar 5 11:42:00 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:42:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets, by Kent Johnson References: <002701c6371b$96f0dc90$8fad3452@ANNY><003601c64049$6f57c090$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <002301c64065$4a8f7cf0$16ab3252@ANNY> Message-ID: <008d01c64073$bb307690$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Regardless of how good or bad Kent's book is, I think it great that such a book has come out. A book of laudatory epigrams whose subject was contemporary poets would be good, too, but probably has been done. --Bob G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Mar 5 11:47:52 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:47:52 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] An epigram Message-ID: <3DB19F74-8B86-434D-95A5-C3EFDA4D1A88@ripon.edu> To a Poet, who would have me Praise certain Bad Poets, Imitators of His and Mine YOU say, as I have often given tongue In praise of what another?s said or sung, ?Twere politic to do the like by these; But have you known a dog to praise his fleas? --W.B. Yeats. Responsibilities and Other Poems. 1916. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duemer at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 11:48:04 2006 From: duemer at gmail.com (Joseph Duemer) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:48:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets, by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <007101c64072$d01f9d20$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <002701c6371b$96f0dc90$8fad3452@ANNY> <003601c64049$6f57c090$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <007e01c6406d$029cef10$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <007101c64072$d01f9d20$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: My favorite Cunningham epigram: This Humanist, whom no beliefs constrained, was so broad-minded he grew scatter-brained. jd On 3/5/06, Bob Grumman wrote: > > A great epigram, from a poet even Bob Grumman will appreciate. > > mr u will not be missed > who as an anthologist > sold the many on the few > not excluding mr u > > Aye, we agree on this one, Mole. That mr. u.'s last name began with a u > was nice, too--assuming it was Louis Untermeyer (although I have nothing > against Untermeyer). I've heard it was aimed at Oscar Williams, though. > Well, double u. > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- Joseph Duemer Professor of Humanities Clarkson University [chujoe.net] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Mar 5 12:00:42 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:00:42 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis In-Reply-To: References: <002701c6371b$96f0dc90$8fad3452@ANNY> <003601c64049$6f57c090$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <007e01c6406d$029cef10$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <007101c64072$d01f9d20$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: And how about epigrams written against one's own work? Here's one from Fred Chappell: NO DEFENSE ??Even Homer nods,? you said; You?ve said it many times before. It won?t apply in your case, Fred. He doesn?t pass out cold and snore.? --Fred Chappell On Mar 5, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Joseph Duemer wrote: > My favorite Cunningham epigram: > > This Humanist, whom no beliefs constrained, > was so broad-minded he grew scatter-brained. > > jd ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sun Mar 5 12:09:31 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:09:31 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis Message-ID: <24f.7799660.313c754b@cs.com> A slew of 'em, from an anonymous source: Versions for the Millennium Carpe Diem Don't sweat it if your tresses gray Or if Time's sands have shifted. Whatever starts to sag today Tomorrow can get lifted. I Like to Watch Drink to me only with thine eyes, And I will pledge as much; The safest kind of sex, my dear, Is if we never touch. Upon Demi's Breasts Display thy breasts, my Demi, like a bough Hung with such fruits as only gods enDow, Upon which I would lie, my lips implanted Against what looks as succulent as granite. >From Lucasta, Staying Home from the Wars No, Dick, I don't think you're unkind: Go out and practice gunnery With other lads who'd likewise find Between my breasts a nunnery. Upon Julia Roberts's Clothes Whenas in silks my Julia goes, Styled by Versace, no one knows What's really underneath her clothes; Except her boyfriends. Don't take the trouble To ask them to explode your bubble: Instead, ask Julia's body double. Upon Her Feet Her pretty feet Like snails did creep Both out and in, a nifty trick! Her pretty feet Like snails did creep? Sorry, I think that's pretty sick. The Love Song of Lord Alfred Douglas Had we but world enough and time This boyness, Oscar, were no crime. Dear C-minus Stand close around, ye Stygian set, With Dirce in one boat conveyed! Who are these dudes? If I forget This crap will it affect my grade? ebarrett at britnet.com How do I love thee? Let me count the ways, And, yes, I'll keep on counting, being female. If you'd prefer not standing there for days I'll send them in a zip-file, via e-mail. Don't Leave Home Without It My Life had stood--a Loaded Gun-- In Corners--till a Day The BATF came for It. Join--the NRA! Visit England's Honeymoon Capital! Where ignorant armies clash by night? Such thoughts can give a girl a fright. Matt's sweet, of course, but not much fun. Tomorrow I shall get some sun. 1-900 When you are old and grey and full of sleep And nodding by the fire, pick up the phone And have some fun an hour all alone. I don't come easy. And I don't come cheap. And As Mrs. Parker Might Say . . . Men rarely bring rosebuds To girls who wear nose-studs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sun Mar 5 12:38:20 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:38:20 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis References: <24f.7799660.313c754b@cs.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c6407b$98c28dc0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> And Cunningham again: Lip was a man who used his head. He used it when he went to bed With his friend's wife, and with his friend, With either sex at either end. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis A slew of 'em, from an anonymous source: Versions for the Millennium Carpe Diem Don't sweat it if your tresses gray Or if Time's sands have shifted. Whatever starts to sag today Tomorrow can get lifted. I Like to Watch Drink to me only with thine eyes, And I will pledge as much; The safest kind of sex, my dear, Is if we never touch. Upon Demi's Breasts Display thy breasts, my Demi, like a bough Hung with such fruits as only gods enDow, Upon which I would lie, my lips implanted Against what looks as succulent as granite. >From Lucasta, Staying Home from the Wars No, Dick, I don't think you're unkind: Go out and practice gunnery With other lads who'd likewise find Between my breasts a nunnery. Upon Julia Roberts's Clothes Whenas in silks my Julia goes, Styled by Versace, no one knows What's really underneath her clothes; Except her boyfriends. Don't take the trouble To ask them to explode your bubble: Instead, ask Julia's body double. Upon Her Feet Her pretty feet Like snails did creep Both out and in, a nifty trick! Her pretty feet Like snails did creep? Sorry, I think that's pretty sick. The Love Song of Lord Alfred Douglas Had we but world enough and time This boyness, Oscar, were no crime. Dear C-minus Stand close around, ye Stygian set, With Dirce in one boat conveyed! Who are these dudes? If I forget This crap will it affect my grade? ebarrett at britnet.com How do I love thee? Let me count the ways, And, yes, I'll keep on counting, being female. If you'd prefer not standing there for days I'll send them in a zip-file, via e-mail. Don't Leave Home Without It My Life had stood--a Loaded Gun-- In Corners--till a Day The BATF came for It. Join--the NRA! Visit England's Honeymoon Capital! Where ignorant armies clash by night? Such thoughts can give a girl a fright. Matt's sweet, of course, but not much fun. Tomorrow I shall get some sun. 1-900 When you are old and grey and full of sleep And nodding by the fire, pick up the phone And have some fun an hour all alone. I don't come easy. And I don't come cheap. And As Mrs. Parker Might Say . . . 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Madeline Gleason http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From amyhappens at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 17:32:20 2006 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:32:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] MiPOesias: For the Eyes and Ears In-Reply-To: <1139832990.43f0789eb4371@webmail.ukonline.net> Message-ID: <20060306223220.59721.qmail@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings! The following writers have recently provided us with much pleasure. Please read their words and listen to their voices as they read their new work for you in MiPOesias (http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry): Carol Mirakove ? "Human Traffic" Lesley Jenike ? "I'm Not Down with the New Sincerity" Lars Palm ? "Tried to Be Coherent" Linh Dinh ? "My Local Burning" and "Investment Advises" Scott Hightower ? "At Doug's" and "Passion Fruit" Laura Modigliani ? "Ode to Linh Dinh's Most Beautiful Word" and "Blackouts and Hopium" Rodney Koeneke ? "Obligate Nose Breather" Bruce Covey ? "Fiberglass" and "Porous Delivery" Aaron Belz ? "Whose Hands" and "Discontent" Claudia K. Grinnell ? "The Hayflick Limit" and "The Explainer" Tomorrow, Sarah Manguso will be the MiPOesias featured writer & reader - http://www.mipoesias.com And watch out! Lots of new work coming up soon by people who should be seen more often in this world. Ready your eyes and ears for the forthcoming fiesta~ We're always looking for stand-out writing that tweaks & prods & spins our cerebrums and the tectonic plates. Please dive into the latest, and if you think you'd like to join the party, grab a cocktail and submit, submit, submit: http://www.mipoesias.com/comosehace Enjoy! Amy King, Managing Editor, and Didi Menendez, Producer MiPOesias http://www.mipoesias.com "Poetry is the synthesis of hyacinths and biscuits." ? Carl Sandburg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! 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In their little mittens and hats, truly they look absorbent, but just try using one to wipe up a spill and there are so many spills: spills that make ducks sick, spills that dissolve railroads, spills we don't even know what they're doing but they're sure doing it. Try explaining that to a child and all you get is la la la. Try getting one to sit for an hour with her face in her hands. They have almost nothing to remember so what they forgive could be forgiven by anyone. They don't pay taxes. They're completely devoid of pubic hair. --Dean Young. First Course in Turbulence. U Pittsburgh, 1999. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlm8047 at louisiana.edu Tue Mar 7 17:15:15 2006 From: jlm8047 at louisiana.edu (Jerry McGuire) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:15:15 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 21, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <200603071700.k27H038Z022454@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200603071700.k27H038Z022454@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <440E05F3.6030708@louisiana.edu> I'm trying to track down a poem I used in my Creative Writing Pedagogy class last year--I grabbed it out of some anthology, which I've since misplaced, and it was terrific for provoking thinking about value criteria, audience or "community," and authority in workshops. The poem (by a contemporary male poet) is about a workshop in which a female student describes "fucking" against (I believe) the gymnasium. Her workshop colleagues protest that she should replace this with something else--"making love," for instance--but she wants to insist on the accuracy of her word for describing what seems to have been her actual experience. Needless to say the workshop leader (i.e., the writer of the poem) is made terribly uncomfortable and recommends some delicate change himself. Can anyone tell me what this poem is and where I can locate it? Best, Jerry -- ________________________________________________________ Jerry McGuire Director of Creative Writing English Department Box 44691 University of Louisiana at Lafayette Lafayette LA 70504-4691 337-482-5478 Creative Writing Website: http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html ______________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was an intelligent complaint, and the class proceeded to debate what's fucking, what's making love, and the importance of context, tact, the bon mot. I leaned toward those who favored fucking; they were funnier and seemed to have more experience with the happy varieties of their subject. But then a young man said, now believing he had permission, "What's the difference, you fuck 'em and you call it making love; you tell 'em what they want to hear." The class jeered, and another man said "You're the kind of guy who gives fucking a bad name,'' and I remembered how fuck gets dirty as it moves reptilian out of certain minds, certain mouths. The young woman whose poem it was, small-boned and small-voiced, said she had no objection to fucking, but these people were making love, it was her poem and she herself up against that gymnasium wall, and it felt like love, and the hell with all of us. There was silence. The class turned to me, their teacher, who they hoped could clarify, perhaps ease things. I told them I disliked the word fucking in a poem, but that fucking might be right in this instance, yet I was unsure now, I couldn't decide. A tear formed and moved down the poet's cheek. I said I was sure only of "gymnasium, " sure it was the wrong choice, making the act seem too public, more vulgar than she wished. How about "boat house?" I said. On Mar 7, 2006, at 4:15 PM, Jerry McGuire wrote: > I'm trying to track down a poem I used in my Creative Writing > Pedagogy class last year--I grabbed it out of some anthology, which > I've since misplaced, and it was terrific for provoking thinking > about value criteria, audience or "community," and authority in > workshops. The poem (by a contemporary male poet) is about a > workshop in which a female student describes "fucking" against (I > believe) the gymnasium. Her workshop colleagues protest that she > should replace this with something else--"making love," for > instance--but she wants to insist on the accuracy of her word for > describing what seems to have been her actual experience. Needless > to say the workshop leader (i.e., the writer of the poem) is made > terribly uncomfortable and recommends some delicate change himself. > > Can anyone tell me what this poem is and where I can locate it? > > Best, > > Jerry > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > > Jerry McGuire > Director of Creative Writing > English Department Box 44691 > University of Louisiana at Lafayette > Lafayette LA 70504-4691 > 337-482-5478 > Creative Writing Website: > http://www.louisiana.edu/Academic/LiberalArts/ENGL/Creative/Index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mandolin at mac.com Wed Mar 8 09:24:40 2006 From: mandolin at mac.com (Mike Snider) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:24:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets, by Kent Johnson In-Reply-To: <007101c64072$d01f9d20$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <002701c6371b$96f0dc90$8fad3452@ANNY> <003601c64049$6f57c090$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <007e01c6406d$029cef10$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <007101c64072$d01f9d20$3cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <7443010.1141827880959.JavaMail.mandolin@mac.com> On Sunday, March 05, 2006, at 11:36AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > ><>_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Bob, you may be thinking of George Starbuck's elaborately concealed joke on Oscar Williams, who anthologized Starbuck's 312-line dactylic monometer history of a WWII naval operation, "A Tapestry for Bayou." The first 78 lines are an acrostic for "Oscar Williams fills a need but a MonkeyWard catalog is softer and gives you something to read." It was not reporinted in the next edition. You might like Starbuck's sonnet inoovations, too -- the spacesaver sonnet and particularle SLABS, or Standard Length And Breadth Sonnets. Here's a political one (you need to see it in a monospaced font): SPIN CONTROL OhHeDidDidHeOK UseItLetHimSay CrossMyHeartHe DontKnowDiddly InHisOwnYouMay FireWhenYouAre ReadyGridleyDo ItOrScrewItWay ThenWeCanPlead TheIneptnessOf HisIntrepedity TaintTheNathan HalenessItsThe GGordonLiddity -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 22:43:11 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:43:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] GSU Review Message-ID: <731bb17a0603081943x22f10ecdmbb5c39dc9ccdc98c@mail.gmail.com> *GSU Review 2006 Contest Guidelines Poetry Prize: First Place: $1000 Second Place: $250 Finalists: Publication Fiction Prize: First Place: $1000 Second Place: $250 Finalists: Publication* Deadline: The GSU Review will not accept contest submissions postmarked after March 4, 2006. Reading Fee: $15.00 Spring 2005 Contest Results: Poetry Judge: Thomas Lux Poetry Winner: "Jennifer Chapis "After Ovarian Surgery"" Fiction Judge: Tom Franklin Fiction Winner: Lones Seiber "Grace" The GSU Review publishes quality literary art promoting the work of emerging and established writers. The GSU Review holds no subject biases. The staff will select the best work regardless of style or genre. ________________________________________________________________________ Each entry must include the following: A check or money order (NO CASH) made payable to The GSU Review for fifteen dollars. Entry fee includes a copy of the Spring issue, which will contain the winning entries. A cover letter with a 3 to 4 line bio, a list of the works submitted in the order they appear, and your name, mailing address, phone number and email address. SASE for result notification. We recycle all manuscripts! POETRY Address poetry submissions to Jessica Lindberg, Poetry Editor. Poems must be typed or letter quality printed. Submit up to three poems, each no longer than two pages in length. All poems must have name, address, phone, and e-mail appearing on each page. FICTION Address fiction submissions to Benjamin Hanna, Fiction Editor. Manuscripts must be typed or letter quality printed. On the first page of the manuscript include name, address, phone, email, and word count. Submissions should not exceed 7500 words. Short short stories are welcome. Limit each submission to one short story. While we take the greatest care in handling your entries, we assume no responsibility for lost or damaged manuscripts. Only unpublished work considered. Simultaneous submissions considered with notification. All rights revert to author after publication. Current students, staff, and faculty at Georgia State University are not eligible. Send all work to: The GSU Review Campus Box 1894 Georgia State University MSC 8R0322 Unit 8 Atlanta, Georgia 30303-3083 For questions ONLY (no submissions, please): Editor, Jody Brooks, jbrooks13 at gsu.edu -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With egg on face, Jeff Newberry On 3/9/06, Mike Snider wrote: > > > On Wednesday, March 08, 2006, at 10:47PM, Jeff Newberry < > jeff.newberry at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ><>_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > Are they still on the Julian Calendar? > > > ----- > Sent from webmail, so I'm not at my computer. > http://www.mikesnider.org/formalblog for the Sonnetarium > > > > *GSU Review 2006 Contest Guidelines > > Poetry Prize: First Place: $1000 > Second Place: $250 > Finalists: Publication > Fiction Prize: First Place: $1000 > Second Place: $250 > Finalists: Publication* > > Deadline: The GSU Review will not accept contest submissions > postmarked after March 4, 2006. > Reading Fee: $15.00 > > Spring 2005 Contest Results: > Poetry Judge: Thomas Lux > Poetry Winner: "Jennifer Chapis "After Ovarian Surgery"" > Fiction Judge: Tom Franklin > Fiction Winner: Lones Seiber "Grace" > The GSU Review publishes quality literary art promoting the work of > emerging and established writers. The GSU Review holds no subject biases. > The staff will select the best work regardless of style or genre. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Each entry must include the following: > A check or money order (NO CASH) made payable to The GSU Review for > fifteen dollars. Entry fee includes a copy of the Spring issue, which will > contain the winning entries. > A cover letter with a 3 to 4 line bio, a list of the works submitted in > the order they appear, > and your name, mailing address, phone number and email address. > SASE for result notification. > We recycle all manuscripts! > > POETRY > Address poetry submissions to Jessica Lindberg, Poetry Editor. > Poems must be typed or letter quality printed. > Submit up to three poems, each no longer than two pages in length. > All poems must have name, address, phone, and e-mail appearing on each > page. > > FICTION > Address fiction submissions to Benjamin Hanna, Fiction Editor. > Manuscripts must be typed or letter quality printed. > On the first page of the manuscript include name, address, phone, email, > and word count. > Submissions should not exceed 7500 words. > Short short stories are welcome. > Limit each submission to one short story. > > While we take the greatest care in handling your entries, we assume no > responsibility for lost or damaged manuscripts. Only unpublished work > considered. Simultaneous submissions considered with notification. All > rights revert to author after publication. > Current students, staff, and faculty at Georgia State University are not > eligible. > Send all work to: The GSU Review > Campus Box 1894 > Georgia State University > MSC 8R0322 Unit 8 > Atlanta, Georgia 30303-3083 > > For questions ONLY (no submissions, please): > Editor, Jody Brooks, jbrooks13 at gsu.edu > > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A disaster wrecked upon itself] by Adam Clay A couplet to the sea. A disaster wrecked upon itself and upon the promise of eternal exile. One Holy City replaced by the answer a voyage promises. Inland, the sea is no more a fragment. The definition one has for "control" resides in how much one has been controlled, not only by the sea, but by the land and others who also live on it. This is the joke that swallows its own tail. This is the hope that wrestles a hotel. From JforJames at aol.com Fri Mar 10 09:22:02 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:22:02 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] unnecessary confusions Message-ID: <1a8.49c74368.3142e58a@aol.com> "...it is not necessary, because an epoch is confused, that its poets should share its confusions." --Robinson Jeffers, "Poetry, Gongorism and a Thousand Years" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Fri Mar 10 10:50:23 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:50:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Carl Rakosi, "Conversation in a Hotel Room" Message-ID: <4C0EEC8C-3E49-466D-A3BF-DB8AD376CB5D@earthlink.net> [Note: If you happen to be at the AWP conference in Austin, chances are good that you'll find Lynda and me at the Hamilton Stone Editions table (#437) at the bookfair today and tomorrow morning. Come by and say hello or something. And wear a rose between your teeth.] Conversation in a Hotel Room When my time comes, I want to be out as usual on the playing field with George and Homer, not in a hotel room like the Chairman of the Conference. I'd like it to be Sunday morning. The sun is shining. On the ground beside me are my three favorite balls. I pick one up and hold it for a moment and look out over the bowling green and as I get the bead and reach back to throw I want to just buckle under nice and easy and stay down! This is a shepherd's song a moment as authentic as the State Flower of Iowa when man with offices in eighteen cities but few words reaches for the Old Crow and discovers Tom Sawyer in The Financial World (I had forgotten how much I miss Tom) and I hear a shepherd singing: How Endearing and Inscrutable is Man. --Carl Rakosi fr. Ere-Voice [New York: New Directions, 1975] Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Fri Mar 10 11:51:22 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:51:22 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Project's spring fundraiser: party, booksale, auction Message-ID: Saturday, April 8, 2-8 pm Silent Auction and Fundraiser The Poetry Project's spring fundraiser this year is a combination of party, book sale and silent auction, featuring readings and performances by John Yau, Bethany Spiers, a.k.a. The Feverfew, Yoshiko Chuma and Anselm Berrigan . Refreshments will be served in the Parish Hall during the afternoon, and items for sale will be on view in the Sanctuary. These include signed books, broadsides, drawings, letters, paintings, poems and prints by dozens of artists and authors including Jonathan Allen, David Amram, John Ashbery, Donald Baechler, Susan Bee, Ted Berrigan, Jimbo Blachly, Gregory Botts, Bertold Brecht, William Burroughs, Peter Carey, Elizabeth Castagna, Emilie Clark, Francisco Clemente, Leonard Cohen, Clark Coolidge, Robert Creeley, Tim Davis, Allen DeLoach, Diane DiPrima, Brandon Downing, Marcella Durand, Kenward Elmslie, Larry Fagin, Greg Fuchs, Allen Ginsberg, Suzan Frecon, Jane Freilicher, Greg Fuchs, Bill Jensen, Basil King, Martha King, Kenneth Koch, David Larsen, Dave Morice, Elizabeth Murray, Alice Notley, Frank O=B9Hara, Richard O=B9Russa, Maureen Owen, Ron Padgett, Tom Raworth, Salman Rushdie, Ed Sanders, Aram Saroyan, George Schneeman, Anne Sexton, Kiki Smith, Fred Tomaselli, Edwin Torres, Lorenzo Thomas, Tony Towle, Anne Waldman, Lewis Warsh, Marjorie Welish, Hannah Weiner, Robert Wilson, Zachary Wollard, Will Yackulic, John Yau and many others. Every cent raised will contribute to the continued existence of the Poetry Project. ($10) Winter Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info at poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Human history, natural history, personal experience, any subject that in some way connects to the watershed will be considered for the anthology. Send all submissions to swa at foothillspublishing.com. Please limit submissions to no more than 4 poems. There is a limit of 70 lines per poem. Simultaneous submissions and previously published poetry will not be accepted. Please include a brief bio paragraph. Submissions should be sent as plain .txt (created in Notepad or SimpleText) attachments. If your work requires formatting not possible in a plain .txt file, please inquire for other submission options. Deadline for submissions is May 15, 2006. We will acknowledge receipt of your submission and respond within 60 days. Tentative release date for the anthology is mid-September 2006. Contributors will receive a complimentary copy of the book as payment and will be able to purchase additional copies at a 50% discount. 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From: JforJames at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 5:54 PM Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:22:05 -0500 From: Dan Waber Subject: Call For Submissions, Susquehanna Watershed Poetry Anthology FootHills Publishing PO Box 68 Kanona, New York 14856 607-566-3881 swa at foothillspublishing.com www.foothillspublishing.com Call For Submissions! Susquehanna Watershed Poetry Anthology Editors: Jennifer Hill-Kaucher and Dan Waber FootHills Publishing, a small press poetry publisher founded in 1986, is seeking submissions for an anthology of poetry reflecting the life and natural history of the Susquehanna Watershed. SUBMISSION GUIDELINES We are looking for poems that relate to the Susquehanna Watershed of New York State, Pennsylvania and Maryland. Human history, natural history, personal experience, any subject that in some way connects to the watershed will be considered for the anthology. Send all submissions to swa at foothillspublishing.com. Please limit submissions to no more than 4 poems. There is a limit of 70 lines per poem. Simultaneous submissions and previously published poetry will not be accepted. Please include a brief bio paragraph. Submissions should be sent as plain .txt (created in Notepad or SimpleText) attachments. If your work requires formatting not possible in a plain .txt file, please inquire for other submission options. Deadline for submissions is May 15, 2006. We will acknowledge receipt of your submission and respond within 60 days. Tentative release date for the anthology is mid-September 2006. Contributors will receive a complimentary copy of the book as payment and will be able to purchase additional copies at a 50% discount. More info about the anthology and FootHills Publishing can be found at: www.foothillspublishing.com Thanks for your interest and looking forward to your poems! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hruggier at localnet.com Fri Mar 10 15:44:00 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:44:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call For Submissions, Susquehanna Watershed Poetry Anthology References: <62.66af021f.3143092e@aol.com> <00f101c6446f$97e47bf0$40df3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <002f01c64483$5d551760$6500a8c0@Helen> Foothills is also doing an anthology on endangered species - And the editor, Michael Czarnecki goes on road tours and writes haibun about his trips - I think he's doing route 60 ?? Starts in Buffalo and winds across country. Pix too and there's no charge to get on the mailing list. h ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Call For Submissions,Susquehanna Watershed Poetry Anthology maybe nothing to do with poetry, but by following the link in the message forwarded by James: www.foothillspublishing.com I got to this, enjoy: http://www.foothillspublishing.com/davestour/ Dave's Cross Country Bike Tour 2004 with pics! From: JforJames at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 5:54 PM Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:22:05 -0500 From: Dan Waber Subject: Call For Submissions, Susquehanna Watershed Poetry Anthology FootHills Publishing PO Box 68 Kanona, New York 14856 607-566-3881 swa at foothillspublishing.com www.foothillspublishing.com Call For Submissions! Susquehanna Watershed Poetry Anthology Editors: Jennifer Hill-Kaucher and Dan Waber FootHills Publishing, a small press poetry publisher founded in 1986, is seeking submissions for an anthology of poetry reflecting the life and natural history of the Susquehanna Watershed. SUBMISSION GUIDELINES We are looking for poems that relate to the Susquehanna Watershed of New York State, Pennsylvania and Maryland. Human history, natural history, personal experience, any subject that in some way connects to the watershed will be considered for the anthology. Send all submissions to swa at foothillspublishing.com. Please limit submissions to no more than 4 poems. There is a limit of 70 lines per poem. Simultaneous submissions and previously published poetry will not be accepted. Please include a brief bio paragraph. Submissions should be sent as plain .txt (created in Notepad or SimpleText) attachments. If your work requires formatting not possible in a plain .txt file, please inquire for other submission options. Deadline for submissions is May 15, 2006. We will acknowledge receipt of your submission and respond within 60 days. Tentative release date for the anthology is mid-September 2006. Contributors will receive a complimentary copy of the book as payment and will be able to purchase additional copies at a 50% discount. 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And wear a rose between your teeth.] Conversation in a Hotel Room When my time comes, I want to be out as usual on the playing field with George and Homer, not in a hotel room like the Chairman of the Conference. I'd like it to be Sunday morning. The sun is shining. On the ground beside me are my three favorite balls. I pick one up and hold it for a moment and look out over the bowling green and as I get the bead and reach back to throw I want to just buckle under nice and easy and stay down! This is a shepherd's song a moment as authentic as the State Flower of Iowa when man with offices in eighteen cities but few words reaches for the Old Crow and discovers Tom Sawyer in The Financial World (I had forgotten how much I miss Tom) and I hear a shepherd singing: How Endearing and Inscrutable is Man. --Carl Rakosi fr. 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Chris ---------- From: "Helen Ruggieri" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Carl Rakosi, "Conversation in a Hotel Room" Date: Fri, Mar 10, 2006, 12:46 PM Love this one - make sure you see the bats. h ----- Original Message ----- From: Halvard Johnson To: New-Poetry New-Poetry Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Carl Rakosi,"Conversation in a Hotel Room" [Note: If you happen to be at the AWP conference in Austin, chances are good that you'll find Lynda and me at the Hamilton Stone Editions table (#437) at the bookfair today and tomorrow morning. Come by and say hello or something. And wear a rose between your teeth.] Conversation in a Hotel Room When my time comes, I want to be out as usual on the playing field with George and Homer, not in a hotel room like the Chairman of the Conference. I'd like it to be Sunday morning. The sun is shining. On the ground beside me are my three favorite balls. I pick one up and hold it for a moment and look out over the bowling green and as I get the bead and reach back to throw I want to just buckle under nice and easy and stay down! This is a shepherd's song a moment as authentic as the State Flower of Iowa when man with offices in eighteen cities but few words reaches for the Old Crow and discovers Tom Sawyer in The Financial World (I had forgotten how much I miss Tom) and I hear a shepherd singing: How Endearing and Inscrutable is Man. --Carl Rakosi fr. 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We would like to propose a Special Session as a precise adjunct to this moment--a session in which debates can be staged about the relation of poetics and cultural studies, or the theory of poetry and sociopolitical accounts of literary culture. How does poetics interface with cultural studies approaches? Is poetics a term that should be implicitly or explicitly reserved for aesthetic, formalist and theoretical studies alone, with cultural studies, postcolonial, global, and other concerns seen as extrinsic to poetry as literature? Can poetics intersect with socially and historically exploratory approaches, and how does poetics provide unique and important sociocultural evidence? We would invite critics of poetry and poet critics to contribute to a session with four papers, three accepted to the panel and one a perspective of the co-organizers. We see this session as specifically addressing the methodological implications of the current moment in poetics in ways that connect both to the creation of poetry and to the poetic career. If interested, please send a 1-2 page proposal and a brief resume to both co-organizers by March 15. Barrett Watten Professor, Department of English, Wayne State University Rachel Blau DuPlessis Professor, Department of English, Temple University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sat Mar 11 17:23:46 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:23:46 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Lawyer Poets Message-ID: <23a.86d6232.3144a7f2@aol.com> ANNOUNCEMENT | PRESS RELEASE | MARCH 11, 2006 The Legal Studies Forum, one of the only law journals in the United States focusing on the lawyer as novelist, writer, and poet, has now published its third collection of poetry by lawyers. The poetry in this new double issue, by some sixty-four lawyers (or former lawyers), comprises over 500 pages of the 760 page volume. The issue also contains essays and memoirs in addition to the poetry. The new Legal Studies Forum poetry collection is not the journal?s first. The journal made history in 2004 with its publication of Off the Record: An Anthology of Poetry by Lawyers, the first anthology of lawyers? poetry ever published. Then, in 2005, the journal published a second major collection of poetry by lawyers. The Legal Studies Forum, in the past three years, has published more poetry?all of it by lawyers or former lawyers?than many venerable literary journals publish over the history of their existence. The Legal Studies Forum is edited by James R. Elkins, a professor of law at the law school at West Virginia. Professor Elkins began research on lawyer poets in the summer of 2001 and set out to identify the country?s lawyer poets. To date he has identified nearly a thousand historical figures, as well as hundreds of contemporary lawyers who write and publish poetry. Professor Elkins? research on lawyer poets can be found on his website, Strangers To Us All: Lawyers and Poetry [which can be found by a ?google search?: elkins poet poetry]. Clarence Darrow is widely reputed to have claimed that, ?Inside every lawyer is the wreck of a poet.? Professor Elkins has set about to prove, and seems to be successfully doing it, that for hundreds of lawyers, the wreckage no longer lies in ruins. The legal profession in the United States has always been the haven of poets (as it had novelists, historians, travel writers, and essayists) and so it should be no great surprise that even today, lawyers are still writing poetry. What is surprising is that lawyers turn out to be good poets, indeed some of the country?s best. Copies of the new Legal Studies Forum poetry collection can be obtained by contacting: Professor James R. Elkins, College of Law, West Virginia University, Morgantown, WV 26506-6130. Or by an email to Professor Elkins at: jelkins at labs.net Copies of the Legal Studies Forum poetry collections are $25. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sat Mar 11 17:33:57 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:33:57 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] ns Message-ID: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com> No good poetry is ever written in a manner twenty years old, for to write in such a manner shows conclusively that the writer thinks from books, convention and clich?, not from real life. ==Ezra Pound. 1912. ?Prologomena.? Poetry Review (London, Feb). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Mar 11 17:49:58 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:49:58 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] ns References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com> Message-ID: <005e01c6455e$218c19f0$9db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> No good poetry is ever written in a manner twenty years old, for to write in such a manner shows conclusively that the writer thinks from books, convention and clich?, not from real life. ==Ezra Pound. 1912. ?Prologomena.? Poetry Review (London, Feb). I've been saying very little at New-Poetry since promising James I would not make any more negative statements here--on my own, not at his suggestion. I can certainly be positive about the Pound quotation, though. It would seem he's quoted me almost verbatim--except that I'm a little more easy-going than he, and would want poets to avoid manners fifty years old rather than twenty years old. Of course, it's only a half-truth. Pound himself occasionally availed himself of manners centuries old. And no poet can avoid partly falling into manners years old. I should think the real point is to make sure to have something in one's poetry that is not twenty years or more old. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 11 17:51:17 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:51:17 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] ns References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com> Message-ID: <011e01c6455e$4efd18d0$b5aa3852@ANNY> Confucio/Pound: "1.At fifteen I wanted to learn.2...3...4...5...6. At seventy could follow my own heart's desire .. "(Analecta) a special gift by Mary de Rachewiltz, ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] ns No good poetry is ever written in a manner twenty years old, for to write in such a manner shows conclusively that the writer thinks from books, convention and clich?, not from real life. ==Ezra Pound. 1912. ?Prologomena.? Poetry Review (London, Feb). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 11 18:33:15 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 00:33:15 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] ns References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com> <005e01c6455e$218c19f0$9db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <016501c64564$2bb1b330$b5aa3852@ANNY> You are not such a pest Bob G :-) From: Bob Grumman Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:49 PM No good poetry is ever written in a manner twenty years old, for to write in such a manner shows conclusively that the writer thinks from books, convention and clich?, not from real life. ==Ezra Pound. 1912. ?Prologomena.? Poetry Review (London, Feb). I've been saying very little at New-Poetry since promising James I would not make any more negative statements here--on my own, not at his suggestion. I can certainly be positive about the Pound quotation, though. It would seem he's quoted me almost verbatim--except that I'm a little more easy-going than he, and would want poets to avoid manners fifty years old rather than twenty years old. Of course, it's only a half-truth. Pound himself occasionally availed himself of manners centuries old. And no poet can avoid partly falling into manners years old. I should think the real point is to make sure to have something in one's poetry that is not twenty years or more old. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Sat Mar 11 23:47:16 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 04:47:16 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] ns References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com> <005e01c6455e$218c19f0$9db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <020d01c64590$0a0e14e0$029d8b56@andrew1d83eb60> << "No good poetry is ever written in a manner twenty years old, for to write in such a manner shows conclusively that the writer thinks from books, convention and clich?, not from real life." <...> Of course, it's only a half-truth. Pound himself occasionally availed himself of manners centuries old. And no poet can avoid partly falling into manners years old. I should think the real point is to make sure to have something in one's poetry that is not twenty years or more old. --Bob G. >> But isn't this the very point, Bob? It's the recent past -- say twenty to forty years -- that's the killer. The time it takes for a form to move from innovation to establishment to clich?. Pound's minings of the past, both English and Other, were of course mulitfarious. (And not always successful, especially in the early work -- Eliot was quite right to exclude "The Ballad of the Goodly Fere" from the Faber selected, even if his reasons were disingenuous.) But if you go back fifty or sixty years ... Then we have Auden doing interesting things with Anglo-Saxon. (The Maldon lifts and others, rather than _The Age of Anxiety_, which truly does smell of the book.) But that was different from what Pound was doing in "The Seafarer" translation, and Canto I, and points between. And I'm not sure the vein has been mined out yet. One of the most interesting writers to work this, Francis Berry, is virtually ignored, and there's a place for Beowulf in Glasgow speech. Maybe Maldon too, as it's shorter. So I'm with Pound in being wary of and avoiding twenty years ago, but not with Bob in (if he is) rejecting the past entirely. Robin Hamilton From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Mar 12 09:31:04 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:31:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] ns References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com><005e01c6455e$218c19f0$9db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <020d01c64590$0a0e14e0$029d8b56@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <003a01c645e1$99dfffb0$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> > << > "No good poetry is ever written in a manner twenty > years old, for to write in such a manner shows > conclusively that the writer thinks from books, > convention and clich?, not from real life." > <...> > Of course, it's only a half-truth. Pound himself occasionally availed > himself of manners centuries old. And no poet can avoid partly falling > into manners years old. I should think the real point is to make sure to > have something in one's poetry that is not twenty years or more old. > --Bob G. >>> > > But isn't this the very point, Bob? It's the recent past -- say twenty to > forty years -- that's the killer. The time it takes for a form to move > from innovation to establishment to clich?. It's awful complex, Robin. I think Pound should have said (and might have elsewhere) that a superior poet will find a way to distinguish his poetry from the poetry current when he hit 21. I really don't know what the timing is for innovation to establishment to clich?. Visual poetry has never become establishment, though parts of it have become clich?. The unanswerable question is when is a manner new? Was Frost's manner of writing poetry just late Edwardian, as I tend to believe, or new? Etc. > Pound's minings of the past, both English and Other, were of course > mulitfarious. (And not always successful, especially in the early work -- > Eliot was quite right to exclude "The Ballad of the Goodly Fere" from the > Faber selected, even if his reasons were disingenuous.) > > But if you go back fifty or sixty years ... Then we have Auden doing > interesting things with Anglo-Saxon. (The Maldon lifts and others, rather > than _The Age of Anxiety_, which truly does smell of the book.) But that > was different from what Pound was doing in "The Seafarer" translation, and > Canto I, and points between. And I'm not sure the vein has been mined out > yet. One of the most interesting writers to work this, Francis Berry, is > virtually ignored, and there's a place for Beowulf in Glasgow speech. > Maybe Maldon too, as it's shorter. > > So I'm with Pound in being wary of and avoiding twenty years ago, but not > with Bob in (if he is) rejecting the past entirely. I'm extremefully not rejecting the past entirely. I'm FOR making sure to add something to it. I think I'll stick with my statement that a poet should strive to not restrict his manner to a manner in use fifty or more years ago--or even twenty or more years ago. Or how about a manner in use at ANY time other than his OWN manner? But there can be virtue in reviving a no longer known manner, which is part of what you're saying, I think. So I guess I'd say a poet should strive to not restrict his manner to a KNOWN manner in use twenty or more years ago. --Bob G. From tad at opus40.org Sun Mar 12 11:04:48 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:04:48 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] ns References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com><005e01c6455e$218c19f0$9db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><020d01c64590$0a0e14e0$029d8b56@andrew1d83eb60> <003a01c645e1$99dfffb0$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <000b01c645ee$b0fe32e0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Keats wrote sonnets, odes, ballads and part of an epic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Grumman" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] ns > > >> << >> "No good poetry is ever written in a manner twenty >> years old, for to write in such a manner shows >> conclusively that the writer thinks from books, >> convention and clich?, not from real life." >> <...> >> Of course, it's only a half-truth. Pound himself occasionally availed >> himself of manners centuries old. And no poet can avoid partly falling >> into manners years old. I should think the real point is to make sure to >> have something in one's poetry that is not twenty years or more old. >> --Bob G. >>>> >> >> But isn't this the very point, Bob? It's the recent past -- say twenty >> to forty years -- that's the killer. The time it takes for a form to >> move from innovation to establishment to clich?. > > It's awful complex, Robin. I think Pound should have said (and might have > elsewhere) that a superior poet will find a way to distinguish his poetry > from the poetry current when he hit 21. I really don't know what the > timing is for innovation to establishment to clich?. Visual poetry has > never become establishment, though parts of it have become clich?. > > The unanswerable question is when is a manner new? Was Frost's manner of > writing poetry just late Edwardian, as I tend to believe, or new? Etc. > >> Pound's minings of the past, both English and Other, were of course >> mulitfarious. (And not always successful, especially in the early >> work -- Eliot was quite right to exclude "The Ballad of the Goodly Fere" >> from the Faber selected, even if his reasons were disingenuous.) >> >> But if you go back fifty or sixty years ... Then we have Auden doing >> interesting things with Anglo-Saxon. (The Maldon lifts and others, >> rather than _The Age of Anxiety_, which truly does smell of the book.) >> But that was different from what Pound was doing in "The Seafarer" >> translation, and Canto I, and points between. And I'm not sure the vein >> has been mined out yet. One of the most interesting writers to work >> this, Francis Berry, is virtually ignored, and there's a place for >> Beowulf in Glasgow speech. Maybe Maldon too, as it's shorter. >> >> So I'm with Pound in being wary of and avoiding twenty years ago, but not >> with Bob in (if he is) rejecting the past entirely. > > I'm extremefully not rejecting the past entirely. I'm FOR making sure to > add something to it. I think I'll stick with my statement that a poet > should strive to not restrict his manner to a manner in use fifty or more > years ago--or even twenty or more years ago. Or how about a manner in use > at ANY time other than his OWN manner? > > But there can be virtue in reviving a no longer known manner, which is > part of what you're saying, I think. So I guess I'd say a poet should > strive to not restrict his manner to a KNOWN manner in use twenty or more > years ago. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From hruggier at localnet.com Sun Mar 12 11:56:40 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:56:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lawyer Poets References: <23a.86d6232.3144a7f2@aol.com> Message-ID: <003801c645f5$f0f12f40$6500a8c0@Helen> I absolutely know there are many jokes to be made here - let's get at it. (Are there any lawyers on the list?) h ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Lawyer Poets ANNOUNCEMENT | PRESS RELEASE | MARCH 11, 2006 The Legal Studies Forum, one of the only law journals in the United States focusing on the lawyer as novelist, writer, and poet, has now published its third collection of poetry by lawyers. The poetry in this new double issue, by some sixty-four lawyers (or former lawyers), comprises over 500 pages of the 760 page volume. The issue also contains essays and memoirs in addition to the poetry. The new Legal Studies Forum poetry collection is not the journal?s first. The journal made history in 2004 with its publication of Off the Record: An Anthology of Poetry by Lawyers, the first anthology of lawyers? poetry ever published. Then, in 2005, the journal published a second major collection of poetry by lawyers. The Legal Studies Forum, in the past three years, has published more poetry?all of it by lawyers or former lawyers?than many venerable literary journals publish over the history of their existence. The Legal Studies Forum is edited by James R. Elkins, a professor of law at the law school at West Virginia. Professor Elkins began research on lawyer poets in the summer of 2001 and set out to identify the country?s lawyer poets. To date he has identified nearly a thousand historical figures, as well as hundreds of contemporary lawyers who write and publish poetry. Professor Elkins? research on lawyer poets can be found on his website, Strangers To Us All: Lawyers and Poetry [which can be found by a ?google search?: elkins poet poetry]. Clarence Darrow is widely reputed to have claimed that, ?Inside every lawyer is the wreck of a poet.? Professor Elkins has set about to prove, and seems to be successfully doing it, that for hundreds of lawyers, the wreckage no longer lies in ruins. The legal profession in the United States has always been the haven of poets (as it had novelists, historians, travel writers, and essayists) and so it should be no great surprise that even today, lawyers are still writing poetry. What is surprising is that lawyers turn out to be good poets, indeed some of the country?s best. Copies of the new Legal Studies Forum poetry collection can be obtained by contacting: Professor James R. Elkins, College of Law, West Virginia University, Morgantown, WV 26506-6130. Or by an email to Professor Elkins at: jelkins at labs.net Copies of the Legal Studies Forum poetry collections are $25. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lawrence Joseph who recently published a book with FSG practiced law and lived to tell about it, see _Lawyerland_ below: Codes, Precepts, Biases, and Taboos Poems 1973-1993 Joseph, Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux 0-374-12517-1 $16.00 Into It Poems Joseph, Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux 0-374-17569-1 $22.00 Lawyerland An Unguarded, Street-Level Look At Law & Lawyers Today Joseph, Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux 0-374-52987-6 $20.00 My dad was a sole-proprietor type lawyer. He worked in the old Title Guaranty building (since torn down) in downtown St. Louis, in a small office with one secretary. He worked on minor real estate transactions, wills and probate, sales of small businesses, etc. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Edgar Lee Masters practiced law in Chicago all the while he was writing his post-mortem poetic vignettes. Wallace Stevens took a law degree but never practiced per se...but used his legal training extensively working with insurance contracts at The Hartford Accident and Indemnity Co. Simon Perchik, publishing much in the small press world, is a retired lawyer. Lawrence Joseph who recently published a book with FSG practiced law and lived to tell about it, see _Lawyerland_ below: Codes, Precepts, Biases, and Taboos Poems 1973-1993 Joseph, Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux 0-374-12517-1 $16.00 Into It Poems Joseph, Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux 0-374-17569-1 $22.00 Lawyerland An Unguarded, Street-Level Look At Law & Lawyers Today Joseph, Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux 0-374-52987-6 $20.00 My dad was a sole-proprietor type lawyer. He worked in the old Title Guaranty building (since torn down) in downtown St. Louis, in a small office with one secretary. He worked on minor real estate transactions, wills and probate, sales of small businesses, etc. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Mar 12 13:31:00 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:31:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] ns References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com><005e01c6455e$218c19f0$9db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><020d01c64590$0a0e14e0$029d8b56@andrew1d83eb60><003a01c645e1$99dfffb0$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <000b01c645ee$b0fe32e0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <00ae01c64604$2afac990$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> > Keats wrote sonnets, odes, ballads and part of an epic. Well, the question would be whether or not he wrote them in a manner twenty-years-or-more-old. I think, also, that Pound's view applies to a later age. --Bob G. From tad at opus40.org Sun Mar 12 14:40:24 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:40:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] ns References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com><005e01c6455e$218c19f0$9db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><020d01c64590$0a0e14e0$029d8b56@andrew1d83eb60><003a01c645e1$99dfffb0$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><000b01c645ee$b0fe32e0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <00ae01c64604$2afac990$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <007401c6460c$cebe07b0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Then you're opening a barn door so wide you can fit anything you like through it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Grumman" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] ns > > >> Keats wrote sonnets, odes, ballads and part of an epic. > > Well, the question would be whether or not he wrote them in a manner > twenty-years-or-more-old. I think, also, that Pound's view applies to a > later age. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From tad at opus40.org Sun Mar 12 15:39:13 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:39:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Gluck Gluck References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com><005e01c6455e$218c19f0$9db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><020d01c64590$0a0e14e0$029d8b56@andrew1d83eb60><003a01c645e1$99dfffb0$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><000b01c645ee$b0fe32e0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00ae01c64604$2afac990$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <007401c6460c$cebe07b0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <000901c64615$06460ef0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Louise Gluck reviewed in the Sunday Times: Far from the dull outposts where American poets have become willfully obscure or adopted antique models to assemble poems of scant content, poets like Gl?ck are tapping the wellsprings of myth, collective and personal, to fuel their imaginations and, with hard-earned clarity and subtle music, to struggle with some of our oldest, most intractable fears ? isolation and oblivion, the dissolution of love, the failure of memory, the breakdown of the body and destruction of the spirit. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/books/review/12christopher.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Mar 12 15:54:44 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:54:44 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] ns References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com><005e01c6455e$218c19f0$9db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><020d01c64590$0a0e14e0$029d8b56@andrew1d83eb60><003a01c645e1$99dfffb0$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><000b01c645ee$b0fe32e0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00ae01c64604$2afac990$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <007401c6460c$cebe07b0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <00e801c64617$32ff92c0$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> > Then you're opening a barn door so wide you can fit anything you like > through it. Not really--unless you think all sonnets are written the same way. Keats wrote a narrative poem in rhyme. Does that mean he wrote in the manner of Shakespeare? Berryman wrote sonnets. When he did so, was he writing in the manner of Keats? It's a tricky area, but manner is surely has more than what form a poet uses. --Bob G. From tad at opus40.org Sun Mar 12 16:13:05 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:13:05 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] ns References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com><005e01c6455e$218c19f0$9db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><020d01c64590$0a0e14e0$029d8b56@andrew1d83eb60><003a01c645e1$99dfffb0$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><000b01c645ee$b0fe32e0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00ae01c64604$2afac990$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><007401c6460c$cebe07b0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <00e801c64617$32ff92c0$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <002301c64619$c19df880$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> I don't think all sonnets are written the same way, but my point is you've opened the door to interpretation. You've essentially abandoned the "nothing original can be written in old forms" rule, and you're going to have a lot harder time making "the old forms I say are new are, but the old forms you say are new aren't" hold up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Grumman" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] ns >> Then you're opening a barn door so wide you can fit anything you like >> through it. > > Not really--unless you think all sonnets are written the same way. Keats > wrote a narrative poem in rhyme. Does that mean he wrote in the manner of > Shakespeare? Berryman wrote sonnets. When he did so, was he writing in > the manner of Keats? It's a tricky area, but manner is surely has more > than what form a poet uses. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Mar 12 16:34:56 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:34:56 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Gluck Gluck References: <273.74488aa.3144aa55@aol.com><005e01c6455e$218c19f0$9db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><020d01c64590$0a0e14e0$029d8b56@andrew1d83eb60><003a01c645e1$99dfffb0$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><000b01c645ee$b0fe32e0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00ae01c64604$2afac990$35b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><007401c6460c$cebe07b0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <000901c64615$06460ef0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <002901c6461c$cf2a1cb0$e98f3052@ANNY> What an impressive opening, brilliant the quoted lines by Glueck. From: TheOldMole Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:39 PM Louise Gluck reviewed in the Sunday Times: Far from the dull outposts where American poets have become willfully obscure or adopted antique models to assemble poems of scant content, poets like Gl?ck are tapping the wellsprings of myth, collective and personal, to fuel their imaginations and, with hard-earned clarity and subtle music, to struggle with some of our oldest, most intractable fears ? isolation and oblivion, the dissolution of love, the failure of memory, the breakdown of the body and destruction of the spirit. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/books/review/12christopher.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mole, we weren't talking about old forms, but about writing in a MANNER 20-years-old. Manner would be hard to define well, but certainly includes form, subject matter, techniques, point of view, tone, etc. -BG From JforJames at aol.com Sun Mar 12 18:33:49 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:33:49 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] ns Message-ID: <247.86df1a6.314609dd@aol.com> Here's another angle on Pound's assessment... "...poetry, which is generally ahead of its time, may go so far ahead as to seem behind in time." --Eugenio Montale, from Poet in Our Time Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 13 07:06:48 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:06:48 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Melville Society's Sixth International Conference - The Joseph Conrad Society Message-ID: <008d01c64696$9b65b310$c3d73152@ANNY> > From: Pawel Jedrzejko (Office) [mailto:jedrzej at us.edu.pl] > Sent: zaterdag 11 maart 2006 12:17 Hearts of Darkness: Melville and Conrad in the Space of World Culture 4-7 August 2007 Szczecin, Poland The Melville Society's Sixth International Conference Co-hosted by The Melville Society, The Joseph Conrad Society (PL, UK, US), The Tall Ships' Races Szczecin 2007 Institutional Organizers: The Institute of British and American Culture and Literature of the University of Silesia in Katowice, Poland Centre College, Danville, Kentucky, USA Call for Papers (Invitation for Participants) The works and lives of Herman Melville and Joseph Conrad have become, separately, the objects of thousands of extensive studies. Juxtaposed, however, the two most important writers-mariners of the past two centuries have been rarely analyzed. This conference, first imagined by the Melville Society several years ago, will take place in Poland, J?zef Konrad Korzeniowski's land of origin, at the beautiful, Hanseatic seaport where perhaps the largest gathering ever of Tall Ships will converge to end their sixweek race in early August, 2007. Melville and Conrad, although as different as an oaken full-rigger and a steel-clad steamer, both float on-or dive into-a sea of profound issues that have always unsettled thinking minds. What better place to explore these two Hearts of Darkness than in a country whose long history has been filled with extraordinary tragedy and extraordinary hope. A gam between Melvillians and Conradians in Szczecin will provide a remarkable opportunity for both groups to deepen their primary interests and also establish new pathways. We invite proposals of 300-500 words (one or two pages) by 25th June 2006. Proposal should be submitted via the online registration form at the Conference website, or off-line forms ought to be sent by e-mail to both conference co-chairs: Pawel Jedrzejko (jedrzej at us.edu.pl) and Milton Reigelman (reigelma at centre.edu). The selection committee will notify you of the status of your proposal by 25 September 2006. Papers may consider Melville, Conrad, or both authors; those that compare the two writers are encouraged. If you wish to organize a panel or roundtable on a specific topic, please include the names of others who will participate. The following categories are meant to be suggestive, of course, rather than descriptive. I - Melville and/or Conrad: Politics/History/Culture II - Melville and/or Conrad: Literary/Historical/Rhetorical Perspectives III - Melville and/or Conrad: Philosophers of the Sea IV - (De)Constructive, Melville, (De)Constructing Conrad V - Polski Conrad, polski Melville (Polish Conrad, Polish Melville - in Polish) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris McCreary Dismembers Poeta en San Francisco Barbara Jane Reyes in English, Spanish, Tagalog Walkin??? to New Orleans The New York Times condescends to do an obit of Barbara Guest Joel Lewis on Ted Berrigan from the Poetry Project Newsletter Seido Ray Ronci Zen as solid practice An Oulipo Compendium, right down to the meeting minutes The project of Kenny Goldsmith is Kenny Goldsmith A portrait with blue eyes & a note on Naropa 800 literary blogs World Jelly by Tony Tost Flarf versus Uncreative Writing versus Canadian Neo-Oulipo The flarf debate Dancing without a focus ??? Sean Curran Company http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 13 09:02:15 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:02:15 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Michael Palmer Message-ID: <000b01c646a6$bbe74850$7fee3652@ANNY> On the Sustaining of Culture in Dark Times Michael Palmer http://www.goldenhandcuffsreview.com/78.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Poetry Daily ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Mar 13 10:17:11 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:17:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] America's Favorite Poem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E128ABE-79EF-4A01-8FE8-A476CF51C071@earthlink.net> Is "None of the above" an option? Hal Today's Special The Sonnet Project http://www.xpressed.org/hsonnet.pdf Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 13, 2006, at 10:09 AM, David Graham wrote: > "CAST YOUR VOTE FOR AMERICA'S FAVORITE POEM! > > Renowned poetry anthologist David Lehman has selected 10 poems from > THE > OXFORD BOOK OF AMERICAN POETRY that he feels represent the most > popular > American poems ever written. We'd like you to vote on which of these > poems is the most loved - is it Edgar Allan Poe's "The Raven," Emma > Lazarus's "The New Colossus," or perhaps you prefer something a bit > more > contemporary? Vote today at http://www.oxfordpoetry.com! The poem that > wins the distinction of being "America's Favorite Poem" will be > announced on May 1st." > > --fr. Poetry Daily > > > ========================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ========================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Mar 13 10:25:02 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:25:02 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: America's Favorite Poem In-Reply-To: <3E128ABE-79EF-4A01-8FE8-A476CF51C071@earthlink.net> References: <3E128ABE-79EF-4A01-8FE8-A476CF51C071@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:17 AM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Is "None of the above" an option? > > Hal > For you, Hal, always. I never expect anything else. Me, I cast my vote today for "Song of Myself," though tomorrow it will be Williams's "To Elsie." Right now "The Love Song of J. Edgar Hoover" (oops--that's Kinky Friedman's title) is in the lead, and that just Seems Wrong. After all, what would it say about a country that voted "Prufrock" as it's *favorite*? That'd be as weird as, well, as weird as voting for GW Bush, yup yup. Marianne Moore fans should note that "What Are Years" isn't doing too well at the moment in early polling. I can't imagine that anyone actually thought that turkey was one of America's favorites, or even one of Moore's most memorable. . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 10:49:45 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:49:45 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] America's Favorite Poem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60603130749sf9fef8dj33baf025fcc85dcd@mail.gmail.com> On 3/13/06, David Graham wrote: > > "CAST YOUR VOTE FOR AMERICA'S FAVORITE POEM! > > Renowned poetry anthologist David Lehman has selected 10 poems from THE > OXFORD BOOK OF AMERICAN POETRY that he feels represent the most popular > American poems ever written. We'd like you to vote on which of these > poems is the most loved - is it Edgar Allan Poe's "The Raven," Emma > Lazarus's "The New Colossus," or perhaps you prefer something a bit more > contemporary? Vote today at http://www.oxfordpoetry.com! The poem that > wins the distinction of being "America's Favorite Poem" will be > announced on May 1st." > > --fr. Poetry Daily > There will be a poem that gets the most votes, but how the hell do any of us know what America's favorite poem is? American Idyll? -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Mar 13 11:12:04 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:12:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] America's Favorite Poem In-Reply-To: <648208b60603130749sf9fef8dj33baf025fcc85dcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60603130749sf9fef8dj33baf025fcc85dcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43635BC2-96C8-4958-A4DB-E5345F4C6B08@earthlink.net> There is no American poem like an American tree. Hal "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." --Albert Einstein Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 13, 2006, at 10:49 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > On 3/13/06, David Graham wrote: >> >> "CAST YOUR VOTE FOR AMERICA'S FAVORITE POEM! >> >> Renowned poetry anthologist David Lehman has selected 10 poems >> from THE >> OXFORD BOOK OF AMERICAN POETRY that he feels represent the most >> popular >> American poems ever written. We'd like you to vote on which of these >> poems is the most loved - is it Edgar Allan Poe's "The Raven," Emma >> Lazarus's "The New Colossus," or perhaps you prefer something a >> bit more >> contemporary? Vote today at http://www.oxfordpoetry.com! The poem >> that >> wins the distinction of being "America's Favorite Poem" will be >> announced on May 1st." >> >> --fr. Poetry Daily >> > > There will be a poem that gets the most votes, but how the hell do any > of us know what America's favorite poem is? American Idyll? > > -- Jim > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From hruggier at localnet.com Mon Mar 13 12:37:17 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:37:17 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lawyer Poets References: <1de.4dd66291.3145b528@aol.com> <002a01c64600$28e7ebf0$e98f3052@ANNY> Message-ID: <00c901c646c4$c7686600$6500a8c0@Helen> How many lawyers does it take . . . . . ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lawyer Poets I am all for jokes, especially on a Sunday. Sticking with lawyers my favorite students are my magistrates, especially one course. Once we laughed sooo much that the secretaries were worried. Intelligence, satire, brilliant remarks, exceptional self-criticism, I do enjoy every moment with them. From: JforJames at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:32 PM In a message dated 3/12/2006 11:57:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, hruggier at localnet.com writes: I absolutely know there are many jokes to be made here - let's get at it. (Are there any lawyers on the list?) "A poet and lawyer walked into a bar...".but I can't seem to finish it. Goethe was trained in law. Edgar Lee Masters practiced law in Chicago all the while he was writing his post-mortem poetic vignettes. Wallace Stevens took a law degree but never practiced per se...but used his legal training extensively working with insurance contracts at The Hartford Accident and Indemnity Co. Simon Perchik, publishing much in the small press world, is a retired lawyer. Lawrence Joseph who recently published a book with FSG practiced law and lived to tell about it, see _Lawyerland_ below: Codes, Precepts, Biases, and Taboos Poems 1973-1993 Joseph, Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux 0-374-12517-1 $16.00 Into It Poems Joseph, Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux 0-374-17569-1 $22.00 Lawyerland An Unguarded, Street-Level Look At Law & Lawyers Today Joseph, Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux 0-374-52987-6 $20.00 My dad was a sole-proprietor type lawyer. He worked in the old Title Guaranty building (since torn down) in downtown St. Louis, in a small office with one secretary. 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URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Mar 13 13:08:19 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:08:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lawyer Poets In-Reply-To: <00c901c646c4$c7686600$6500a8c0@Helen> References: <1de.4dd66291.3145b528@aol.com> <002a01c64600$28e7ebf0$e98f3052@ANNY> <00c901c646c4$c7686600$6500a8c0@Helen> Message-ID: <4FCBA67B-5464-4EFB-95B8-2FACE5A5E818@earthlink.net> Once upon a time, I had a link to a website that listed hundreds of poets who were lawyers over the past few centuries, but that seems to have gone the way of all websites. Here's a modest little group of five or six. Hal "The only thing that is not art is inattention." --Marcel Duchamp Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 13, 2006, at 12:37 PM, Helen Ruggieri wrote: > > > How many lawyers does it take . . . . . > > ??? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Lawyer Poets > > I am all for jokes, especially on a Sunday. > > Sticking with lawyers my favorite students are my magistrates, > especially one course. Once we laughed sooo much that the > secretaries were worried. Intelligence, satire, brilliant remarks, > exceptional self-criticism, I do enjoy every moment with them. > > From: JforJames at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:32 PM > > In a message dated 3/12/2006 11:57:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, > hruggier at localnet.com writes: > I absolutely know there are many jokes to be made here - let's get > at it. > > (Are there any lawyers on the list?) > "A poet and lawyer walked into a bar...".but I can't seem to finish > it. > > Goethe was trained in law. > > Edgar Lee Masters practiced law in Chicago all the while he was > writing > his post-mortem poetic vignettes. > > Wallace Stevens took a law degree but never practiced > per se...but used his legal training extensively working with > insurance contracts at The Hartford Accident and Indemnity Co. > > Simon Perchik, publishing much in the small press world, is a > retired lawyer. > > Lawrence Joseph who recently published a book with FSG practiced > law and lived to tell about it, see _Lawyerland_ below: > > Codes, Precepts, Biases, and Taboos > Poems 1973-1993 Joseph, Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux > 0-374-12517-1 > $16.00 > Into It > Poems Joseph, Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux 0-374-17569-1 > $22.00 > Lawyerland > An Unguarded, Street-Level Look At Law & Lawyers Today Joseph, > Lawrence Farrar, Straus and Giroux 0-374-52987-6 > $20.00 > My dad was a sole-proprietor type lawyer. He worked in the old > Title Guaranty building > (since torn down) in downtown St. Louis, in a small office with one > secretary. He worked on minor real estate transactions, wills and > probate, sales of small businesses, etc. > > Finnegan > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and > corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of > ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cstroffo at earthlink.net Mon Mar 13 14:38:49 2006 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino ) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:38:49 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] America's Favorite Poem Message-ID: <200603131912.k2DJCDgB076862@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> Hey----what were those guys names? Komar and Melimid or something like that who did a composite of what America's Favorite Painting would be. It was hilarious, had a 1950s-like family with a picnic basket by a beach, a deer, a mountain I think, and George Washington in period costume. This was circa 1998, I think. It might be cooler if something like that---I think it involved taking polls of "laypeople"---would be done. Chris ---------- From: David Graham To: "NewPoetry & Views" Subject: [New-Poetry] America's Favorite Poem Date: Mon, Mar 13, 2006, 7:09 AM "CAST YOUR VOTE FOR AMERICA'S FAVORITE POEM! Renowned poetry anthologist David Lehman has selected 10 poems from THE OXFORD BOOK OF AMERICAN POETRY that he feels represent the most popular American poems ever written. We'd like you to vote on which of these poems is the most loved - is it Edgar Allan Poe's "The Raven," Emma Lazarus's "The New Colossus," or perhaps you prefer something a bit more contemporary? Vote today at http://www.oxfordpoetry.com! The poem that wins the distinction of being "America's Favorite Poem" will be announced on May 1st." --fr. Poetry Daily ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 14:54:16 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:54:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems about Movies? Message-ID: <731bb17a0603131154l51ee152fi841e1a39b84aef0f@mail.gmail.com> Barbara Hamby was featured on Poetry Daily the other day with the poem I've posted below, "Some Days I Feel Like Janet Leigh." Which got me to thinking, can you think of any poems about movies? If so, why not name a few--or, if you want extra credit, post one. Jeff Newberry Some Days I Feel Like Janet Leigh Some days I feel like Janet Leigh in Touch of Evil ? I wake up, sunny and blond, but by the time midnight rolls around I've been hijacked by Akim Tamiroff's greasy thugs, shot up with heroin, framed for murder, and I'm out cold in a border town jail. I didn't kill Akim, of course, it was Hank Quinlan ? drunk, overweight Orson Welles ? who for thirty-odd years as sheriff has been framing creeps for crimes they maybe did. Enter Mike Vargas, tall handsome Mexican cop ? Charlton Heston with a weird little mustache and a dark tan from a can. "You don't talk like a Mexican," Welles says to Heston, which speaks to me, because talking like a Mexican could solve any number of roadside hells I am currently running away from ? well, walking. 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Barbara Hamby was featured on Poetry Daily the other day with the poem I've posted below, "Some Days I Feel Like Janet Leigh." Which got me to thinking, can you think of any poems about movies? If so, why not name a few--or, if you want extra credit, post one. Jeff Newberry Some Days I Feel Like Janet Leigh Some days I feel like Janet Leigh in Touch of Evil ? I wake up, sunny and blond, but by the time midnight rolls around I've been hijacked by Akim Tamiroff's greasy thugs, shot up with heroin, framed for murder, and I'm out cold in a border town jail. I didn't kill Akim, of course, it was Hank Quinlan ? drunk, overweight Orson Welles ? who for thirty-odd years as sheriff has been framing creeps for crimes they maybe did. Enter Mike Vargas, tall handsome Mexican cop ? Charlton Heston with a weird little mustache and a dark tan from a can. "You don't talk like a Mexican," Welles says to Heston, which speaks to me, because talking like a Mexican could solve any number of roadside hells I am currently running away from ? well, walking. Barbara Hamby Five Points Volume 9, Number 3 -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Mar 13 15:34:27 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:34:27 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems about Movies? In-Reply-To: <8C814F4455055B4-3E8-1529@mblk-r24.sysops.aol.com> References: <731bb17a0603131154l51ee152fi841e1a39b84aef0f@mail.gmail.com> <8C814F4455055B4-3E8-1529@mblk-r24.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2B93CD08-7C8E-4784-9613-C67350BBDB79@ripon.edu> Marvell Noir Sweetheart, if we had the time, A week in bed would be no crime. I'd light your Camels, pour your Jack; You'd do shiatsu on my back. When you got up to scramble eggs, I'd write a sonnet to your legs, And you could watch my stubble grow. Yes, gorgeous, we'd take it slow. I'd hear the whole sad tale again: A roadhouse band; you can't trust men; He set you up; you had to eat, And bitter with the bittersweet Was what they dished you; Ginger lied; You weren't there when Sanchez died; You didn't know the pearls were fake . . . Aw, can it, sport! Make no mistake, You're in it, doll, up to your eyeballs! Tears? Please! You'll dilute our highballs, And make that angel face a mess For the nice Lieutenant. I confess I'm nuts for you?but take the rap? You must think I'm some other sap! And, precious, I kind of wish I was. Well, when they spring you, give a buzz; Guess I'll get back to Archie's wife, And you'll get twenty-five to life. You'll have time then, more than enough, To reminisce about the stuff That dreams are made of and the men You suckered. Sadly, in the pen Your kind of talent goes to waste. But Irish bars are more my taste Than iron ones: stripes ain't my style. You're going down; I promise I'll Come visit every other year. Now kiss me, sweet?the squad car's here. Ann Lauinger Parnassus: Poetry in Review On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:31 PM, millb at aol.com wrote: > Hi > > Lynda Hull had a number of film noir poems in Ghost Money. I'll > try to look a few up. . . > > Cheers, > > Mill ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Mon Mar 13 15:36:23 2006 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:36:23 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems about Movies? Message-ID: <195.525f213a.314731c7@aol.com> Immodestly, my new collection is called FILM HISTORY and has a few poems about movies in there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Mar 13 15:41:18 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:41:18 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems about Movies? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0603131154l51ee152fi841e1a39b84aef0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0603131154l51ee152fi841e1a39b84aef0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2B5F12F3-7270-4AC6-8B79-6D478E4171C1@earthlink.net> This one was in xconnect a while back. And there's a sequel in a later issue: American Movie Classics Halvard Johnson 1. A woman masquerades as her own niece in order to win back the love of a man who doesn't recognize her after a runaway munitions worker is wrongly accused of murder. 2. A crisis hot line volunteer struggles to keep a suicidal woman on the phone while a wagon train travels through dangerous Indian territory. 3. A faith-healing country girl in the Ozarks falls for a cynical sergeant suspected of being a German spy. 4. A sultry woman meets a mysterious man in the Algerian desert and marries him, unaware of his attempts to turn state's evidence against a psychopathic killer. 5. A lawyer is forced to use guns instead of words to defend himself and his town against a nurse who believes he's innocent. 6. A judge sentences a man to death but delays the hanging because he fears an oilman, who in turn lusts for the playboy's bride. 7. A girl who was raised in a brothel must chose between two suitors-- an ambulance driver and a nurse. 8. Three devoted brothers, serving in the Foreign Legion, battle Arabs as well as newlyweds adjusting to changes and hardships in post-WWII New York. 9. The unsteady relationship between a frumpy housewife and her alcoholic husband crumbles after the arrival of a legendary gunfighter, who learns he has cancer and attempts to retire, but finds he cannot escape his reputation. 10. A woman is stricken with amnesia, causing her to forget men of the sea and the friendships they form with one another. 11. A fortune hunter's plan to pass herself off as a dead heiress is jeopardized when an ousted magnate tries to regain his rightful place on the throne and returns home to find his girl engaged to the town bully, who may or may not be a spy for the Nazis. 12. When a man goes astray and becomes a cattle rustler, an old friend woos a glamorous starlet so she will endorse a particular brand of lipstick. 13. In WWII, a dedicated Navy doctor is determined to get himself and his patients to safety before a superstitious Welsh girl has an extramarital affair which turns destructive. 14. A wife ditches her spouse and flees to Florida, where she hobnobs with the Commander in Chief's psychoanalyst, who knows too much, quits his job, and is pursued by half the government. 15. A traveling theatrical troupe is constantly in trouble with a woman who has a vision of the Virgin Mary at Lourdes and incurs the scorn of the townspeople who doubt her, causing her to forget her one true love and go head-to-head with a band of buccaneers trying to hold off the Germans until reinforcements arrive. 16. An overzealous gunslinger faces cancer while in Mexico searching for an unattractive spinster wooed by a fortune hunter after the arrival of an attractive houseguest and three gold prospectors who are snowbound in the Klondike. 17. A reporter exploits a supposedly dying girl and turns her into a soldier, who wins a trip to Paris with a lovely starlet and an army psychologist. 18. Love gives a young Hollywood hopeful the maturity to become a legendary gunfighter who learns he has cancer and attempts to retire, but instead finds poignant drama in a movie which looks at the men of the sea and the friendships they form with one another. 19. In a small town, a murderer on the run seeks asylum on a fishing boat and decides to change his ways, but it may be too late; a dressmaker finds it difficult to keep a secret about her teenage daughter; an eccentric man, who owns a failing baseball team, dies, and leaves it to his pet cat; a girl slowly realizes that her beloved uncle is a wanted serial killer; an egotistical singer drops his side- kick and tries to succeed as a solo act; an innocent man seeks refuge on a plantation owned by a beautiful woman; a mentally unbalanced babysitter threatens the life of her charge; a possessive lawyer sends his sister's fiance to prison unjustly; a reformed outlaw tries to protect settlers' provisions from his crooked ex-partner; an incompetent fool is awarded the post of bank detective after foiling a robbery; a disturbed and crippled boy convicts an innocent man of murder; wedding bells lead to heartbreak when an American teacher discovers that her new husband is a gigolo who married her in order to immigrate. 20. A legendary gunfighter learns he has cancer and attempts to retire, but finds that a girl slowly realizing that her uncle is a wanted serial killer has been designed for "effortless living" on a fishing boat where a dressmaker finds it difficult to keep a secret about her teenage daughter, who braves the African jungle to find an intrepid explorer, who gives a young Hollywood hopeful the maturity to become a wanted serial killer who joins the French Foreign Legion to catch a fugitive Nazi who learns he has cancer and attempts to retire to Florida, where three beautiful women seek rich husbands and a spy uses a vaudevillian and his trained penguin to deliver secret plans to a couple of women who ditch their chaperons and travel through Europe in the 1920s, where a former US war correspondent searches Paris orphanages trying to locate his son, who was born during WWII but is forced to take over a Mississippi steamboat from his irascible father until a sexy singer catches the eye of a navy lieutenant as rumblings of war creep toward them, and he, learning he has cancer, attempts to retire, but finds he cannot escape his reputation for violence, partial nudity and some adult language. "You are at the highest level. There are no folders above this one." --a Microsoft message Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:54 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Barbara Hamby was featured on Poetry Daily the other day with the > poem I've posted below, "Some Days I Feel Like Janet Leigh." Which > got me to thinking, can you think of any poems about movies? > > If so, why not name a few--or, if you want extra credit, post one. > > Jeff Newberry > > Some Days I Feel Like Janet Leigh > > Some days I feel like Janet Leigh in Touch of Evil ? > I wake up, sunny and blond, but by the time midnight > rolls around I've been hijacked by Akim Tamiroff's > greasy thugs, shot up with heroin, framed for murder, > and I'm out cold in a border town jail. I didn't kill > Akim, of course, it was Hank Quinlan ? drunk, overweight > Orson Welles ? who for thirty-odd years as sheriff > has been framing creeps for crimes they maybe did. Enter > Mike Vargas, tall handsome Mexican cop ? Charlton > Heston with a weird little mustache and a dark tan > from a can. "You don't talk like a Mexican," Welles > says to Heston, which speaks to me, because talking > like a Mexican could solve any number of roadside hells > I am currently running away from ? well, walking. > > > Barbara Hamby > Five Points > Volume 9, Number 3 > > > > > > > > > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gbach at csulb.edu Mon Mar 13 17:32:05 2006 From: gbach at csulb.edu (Glenn Bach) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:32:05 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: America's Favorite Poem References: <200603132005.k2DK578Z017264@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4415F2E5.1050004@csulb.edu> Chris Stroffolino wrote: > Hey----what were those guys names? Komar and Melimid or something like that > who did > a composite of what America's Favorite Painting would be. It was hilarious, > had a 1950s-like family with a picnic basket by a beach, a deer, a mountain > I think, and George Washington in period costume. > This was circa 1998, I think. It might be cooler if something like that---I > think it involved taking polls > of "laypeople"---would be done. I'm on digest-mode, so I don't know if anyone has replied to this, but, yes, it is "The Most Wanted Paintings," by Komar and Melamid (http://www.diacenter.org/km/). My favorites (or should I say the paintings I find most disturbing) are Denmark's ballerinas and red clouds. I'm surprised no one has done the same with poetry (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), and if presented with the results of such a project, I don't know whether I'd laugh or cry. G. From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Mar 13 20:28:19 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:28:19 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] LA Times Book Prizes, Nominees in Poetry In-Reply-To: <7b.56b660ee.31462853@aol.com> References: <7b.56b660ee.31462853@aol.com> Message-ID: <28B33BDE-5C35-4197-8CBF-0C22F70E8D4A@ripon.edu> I've not read Revell's book or Nelson's, though I know their work a bit. All in all, a pretty good list of nominees, I'd say. Gail Mazur's book in particular I've really been enjoying recently. On Mar 12, 2006, at 7:43 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > http://www.calendarlive.com/books/cl-na-books10mar10,0,312450.story? > coll=cl-books-features > > In poetry, the nominees are "Refusing Heaven" by Jack Gilbert > (Knopf), "Zeppo's First Wife: New and Selected Poems" by Gail Mazur > (University of Chicago Press), "The Cachoeira Tales and Other > Poems" by Marilyn Nelson (Louisiana State University Press), "Luck > Is Luck" by Lucia Perillo (Random House) and "Pennyweight Windows" > by Donald Revell (Alice James Books). > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Mar 13 20:31:25 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:31:25 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Gail Mazur's Zeppo In-Reply-To: <28B33BDE-5C35-4197-8CBF-0C22F70E8D4A@ripon.edu> References: <7b.56b660ee.31462853@aol.com> <28B33BDE-5C35-4197-8CBF-0C22F70E8D4A@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <2C9CCEAA-ED21-45A8-9907-B515756B3422@ripon.edu> The title poem from Gail Mazur's new & selected: Zeppo's First Wife "One of Doc's cousins married one of those 5 brothers, the funny ones, who were they?" "The Marx brothers?" "Yes, them, the youngest, I don't remember the name??" "Zeppo." "Yes, Zeppo. They got divorced." --?A late conversation with my mother "Why should I about posterity? What's posterity ever done for me?" -?Groucho Marx He married a cousin, or actually, my grandfather's half brothers' cousin. No one here remembers Zeppo's first wife, related to my great half uncles Phil and Jesse, high?living lawyers in New York, "bachelor brothers," a little unsavory-- they dated showgirls; when Jesse invested in a Broadway play, he whispered to me he owned "a piece of Fanny!" Their father, Simon, my great?grandfather, owned a haberdashery in Rockland, Maine. Whose cousin was it married Zeppo, the blank, born Herbert, smarmy amidst his dervish brothers, the baby whose mother put him in the act when Gummo joined the army? Bystander at his brothers' rioting subversions?? their chaos in a cauldron--the ing?nue, the "romantic lead," never one of the brilliant enfants terribles. Straight man, no puns, no double entendres, more victim than Marxian tormentor. (People who really knew them said he was the funniest.) But once, on tour in Omaha, when Groucho had appendicitis, Zeppo painted the greasepaint mustache above his lip, roughed up his slick black hair, donned black?rimmed glasses, and brought the house down. The audience never knew--no one knew Zeppo could be as unzipped as his zany unloved older brother. (Was that his zenith or his nadir?) He never had that chance again-- "He was so good," Groucho was known to say, "it made me get better quicker!" ??Groucho with his zero?sum philosophy: a win for anyone could only be a cataclysmic loss for him. So, in the end, Adolph the angelic demon harpist, Leonard the gambler, and T. S. Eliot's pen pal, Julius, Groucho kept the act alive, leering into unfunny age with a callow crooner always filling the fourth pair of shoes. And Zeppo? He was an inventor, he created a clamping device our Air Force used in the atomic raid on Hiroshima, then he teamed with Gummo, real Americans reinventing themselves, two also?rans, they partnered up, began a talent agency and thrived. And the first wife? my state?of?Maine twice unremembered distant half cousin nonce removed whose name I find this morning on the web, Marion Benda--footnote to a footnote--she's gone, of course, as the brothers are, through the zodiacal lights beyond stardom and failure, beyond his family's history and ours of raves and flops. Replaced, forgotten. Not missed. Only the hand that touched the hand, my mother would say dismissively, but surely something more, something happier. Her life not so unlike yours or mine, or Zeppo's, then: he never got top billing, no one's idea of the zeitgeist of the Jazz Age--except that night his brother's biographer uncovered: he came in first, he was the rage, he lived in an audience's delirious laughter, lived, not quite himself, in the roar of its applause. And then, he left the stage. --Gail Mazur. Zeppo's First Wife: New & Selected Poems. U Chicago, 2005. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Mar 13 21:15:55 2006 From: opus40-01 at opus40.org (opus40-01 at opus40.org) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:15:55 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems about Movies? Message-ID: <20060314021555.73FAA13CEA@smapp02.siteprotect.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Mar 13 21:20:15 2006 From: opus40-01 at opus40.org (opus40-01 at opus40.org) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:20:15 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems about Movies? Message-ID: <20060314022015.96D782E8003@smapp00.siteprotect.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Mar 13 21:28:59 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:28:59 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems about Movies? In-Reply-To: <20060314022015.96D782E8003@smapp00.siteprotect.com> References: <20060314022015.96D782E8003@smapp00.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: ENTER DARK STRANGER by William Trowbridge In Shane, when Jack Palance first appears, a stray cur takes one look and slinks away on tiptoes, able, we understand, to recognize something truly dark. So it seems when we appear, crunching through the woods. A robin cocks her head, then hops off, ready to fly like hell and leave us the worm. A chipmunk, peering out from his hole beneath a maple root, crash dives when he hears our step. The alarm spreads in a skittering of squirrels, finches, millipedes. Imagine a snail picking up the hems of his shell and hauling ass for cover. He's studied carnivores, seen the menu, noticed the escargots. But forget Palance, who would have murdered Alabama just for fun. Think of Karloff's monster, full of lonely love but too hideous to bear; or Kong, bereft with Fay Wray shrieking in his hand: the flies circle our heads like angry biplanes, and the ants hoist pitchforks to march on our ankles as we watch the burgher's daughter bob downstream in a ring of daisies. from Enter Dark Stranger . U of ArkansasPress. 1989. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Mar 13 21:32:25 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:32:25 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems about Movies/Trowbridge II In-Reply-To: References: <20060314022015.96D782E8003@smapp00.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: And one more by Bill Trowbridge, who often writes about movies & pop culture generally. This is one of my favorite Buster Keaton poems-- Saint's Life Let's face it, classmates, faith's a gift for being too amazed, too curious to be afraid when a pasture full of shit hits the fan, when the huge blind finger on the horizon finds your house and flicks you out an upstairs window. Think of little Buster, windborne, descending like a kite four blocks away, bemused by Joe and Myra's cries. Now, when his life flickers miraculously before us, we fly with him, reel to reel, in a dream of ourselves: blessed survivors in a world where nothing works, where everything, sooner or later, breaks, clogs, goes kerflooey. We show the immortal deadpan, all staring and cheekbones, as the house falls, the boat sinks, the Lizzie dies on the tracks, sure we'll think of something before time runs out or discover the whole thing's a bluff we can call by simply standing still: the wall crashes harmlessly around us, the boat rises on a submarine, the train switches tracks and blusters off. Dressed in solemn oaths, our faults and stewings chase us through the streets, waving their billys, too fat, too dumb, too choked with rage to ever beat us to the next corner, the next unreeling, where the anarchist's bomb serves only to light our cigarette. The secret it not to break the face's holy silence, not to laugh, not even to lift an eyebrow: it gives us away, spoils the gag, wakes us in midair. --William Trowbridge. O Paradise. U Arkansas Press. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Mar 13 21:35:10 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:35:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems about Movies? In-Reply-To: <20060314021555.73FAA13CEA@smapp02.siteprotect.com> References: <20060314021555.73FAA13CEA@smapp02.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <82FD49A1-8E96-47D8-BA92-5CC91935C4FD@earthlink.net> Glad you enjoyed it, Tad. Hal CLO ED FOR REN VATION Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:15 PM, wrote: > > Hal -- I love this one. > > > My favorite capsule movie descriptions from newspapers: > > > Ambitions Senator plots to murder the Emperor of Rome. > > and > > A proud man discovers that through a quirk of fate, he has killed > his father and married his mother. > > > > > > On Mon Mar 13 15:41 , Halvard Johnson sent: > > > This one was in xconnect a while back. And there's a sequel in a later > issue: > > American Movie Classics > Halvard Johnson > > > 1. > > A woman masquerades as her own niece > in order to win back the love of a man > who doesn't recognize her after a runaway > munitions worker is wrongly accused > of murder. > > > 2. > > A crisis hot line volunteer struggles to keep > a suicidal woman on the phone > while a wagon train travels through > dangerous Indian territory. > > 3. > > A faith-healing country girl in the Ozarks > falls for a cynical sergeant suspected of being > a German spy. > > 4. > > A sultry woman meets a mysterious man > in the Algerian desert and marries him, unaware > of his attempts to turn state's evidence > against a psychopathic killer. > > 5. > > A lawyer is forced to use guns instead of words > to defend himself and his town against > a nurse who believes he's innocent. > > 6. > > A judge sentences a man to death > but delays the hanging because he fears > an oilman, who in turn lusts > for the playboy's bride. > > 7. > > A girl who was raised in a brothel > must chose between two suitors-- > an ambulance driver and a nurse. > > 8. > > Three devoted brothers, serving > in the Foreign Legion, battle Arabs as well > as newlyweds adjusting to changes > and hardships in post-WWII New York. > > 9. > > The unsteady relationship between > a frumpy housewife and her alcoholic husband > crumbles after the arrival of a legendary > gunfighter, who learns he has cancer and attempts > to retire, but finds he cannot escape his reputation. > > 10. > > A woman is stricken with amnesia, causing her > to forget men of the sea and the friendships > they form with one another. > > 11. > > A fortune hunter's plan to pass herself off as > a dead heiress is jeopardized when > an ousted magnate tries to regain his rightful place > on the throne and returns home to find > his girl engaged to the town bully, > who may or may not > be a spy for the Nazis. > > 12. > > When a man goes astray and becomes > a cattle rustler, an old friend woos > a glamorous starlet so she > will endorse a particular brand of lipstick. > > 13. > > In WWII, a dedicated Navy doctor > is determined to get himself and his patients > to safety before a superstitious > Welsh girl has an extramarital affair > which turns destructive. > > 14. > > A wife ditches her spouse and flees > to Florida, where she hobnobs with > the Commander in Chief's psychoanalyst, > who knows too much, quits his job, > and is pursued by half the government. > > 15. > > A traveling theatrical troupe is constantly > in trouble with a woman who has > a vision of the Virgin Mary at Lourdes > and incurs the scorn of the townspeople > who doubt her, causing her to forget > her one true love and go head-to-head > with a band of buccaneers trying to > hold off the Germans until > reinforcements arrive. > > 16. > > An overzealous gunslinger > faces cancer while in Mexico > searching for an unattractive spinster > wooed by a fortune hunter > after the arrival of an attractive houseguest > and three gold prospectors who are > snowbound in the Klondike. > > 17. > > A reporter exploits a supposedly > dying girl and turns her into > a soldier, who wins a trip to > Paris with a lovely starlet and > an army psychologist. > > 18. > > Love gives a young Hollywood hopeful > the maturity to become a legendary gunfighter > who learns he has cancer and attempts > to retire, but instead finds poignant > drama in a movie which looks at the men > of the sea and the friendships they > form with one another. > > 19. > > In a small town, > a murderer on the run seeks asylum > on a fishing boat and decides > to change his ways, but > it may be too late; > a dressmaker finds it difficult > to keep a secret about > her teenage daughter; > an eccentric man, who owns > a failing baseball team, > dies, and leaves it to his pet cat; > a girl slowly realizes that her beloved > uncle is a wanted serial killer; > an egotistical singer drops his side- > kick and tries to succeed as > a solo act; > an innocent man seeks refuge > on a plantation owned > by a beautiful woman; > a mentally unbalanced babysitter > threatens the life of her charge; > a possessive lawyer sends > his sister's fiance to prison > unjustly; > a reformed outlaw tries > to protect settlers' provisions > from his crooked ex-partner; > an incompetent fool > is awarded the post of bank > detective after foiling > a robbery; > a disturbed and crippled boy > convicts an innocent > man of murder; > wedding bells lead to > heartbreak when an American > teacher discovers that her new > husband is a gigolo who > married her in order to immigrate. > > 20. > > A legendary gunfighter learns he has cancer and attempts to retire, > but finds that a girl slowly realizing that her uncle is a wanted > serial killer has been designed for "effortless living" on a fishing > boat where a dressmaker finds it difficult to keep a secret about her > teenage daughter, who braves the African jungle to find an intrepid > explorer, who gives a young Hollywood hopeful the maturity to become > a wanted serial killer who joins the French Foreign Legion > to catch a fugitive Nazi who learns he has cancer and > attempts to retire to Florida, where three beautiful women > seek rich husbands and a spy uses a vaudevillian and his trained > penguin to deliver secret plans to a couple of women > who ditch their chaperons and travel through Europe in the 1920s, > where a former US war correspondent searches Paris > orphanages trying to locate his son, who was born during > WWII but is forced to take over a Mississippi steamboat > from his irascible father until a sexy singer catches the eye > of a navy lieutenant as rumblings of war creep toward them, and he, > learning he has cancer, attempts to retire, but finds he cannot escape > his reputation for violence, partial nudity and some adult language. > > > > "You are at the highest level. There are no > folders above this one." > --a Microsoft message > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:54 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > Barbara Hamby was featured on Poetry Daily the other day with the > poem I've posted below, "Some Days I Feel Like Janet Leigh." Which > got me to thinking, can you think of any poems about movies? > > If so, why not name a few--or, if you want extra credit, post one. > Jeff Newberry > > Some Days I Feel Like Janet Leigh > > Some days I feel like Janet Leigh in Touch of Evil ? > I wake up, sunny and blond, but by the time midnight > rolls around I've been hijacked by Akim Tamiroff's > greasy thugs, shot up with heroin, framed for murder, > and I'm out cold in a border town jail. I didn't kill > Akim, of course, it was Hank Quinlan ? drunk, overweight > Orson Welles ? who for thirty-odd years as sheriff > has been framing creeps for crimes they maybe did. Enter > Mike Vargas, tall handsome Mexican cop ? Charlton > Heston with a weird little mustache and a dark tan > from a can. "You don't talk like a Mexican," Welles > says to Heston, which speaks to me, because talking > like a Mexican could solve any number of roadside hells > I am currently running away from ? well, walking. > > > Barbara Hamby > Five Points > Volume 9, Number 3 > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Mar 14 06:00:04 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:00:04 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] World War II Military Situation Maps - Library of Congress Message-ID: <004d01c64756$73234a50$eaaf3252@ANNY> > From: Laura Gottesman [mailto:lgot at loc.gov] > Sent: donderdag 2 februari 2006 17:35 The Library of Congress's Geography and Map Division is pleased to announce the release of a new American Memory Collection: "World War II Military Situation Maps, 1944-1945" http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/maps/wwii/. "World War II Military Situation Maps" contains maps showing troop positions beginning on June 6, 1944 to July 26, 1945. Starting with the D-Day Invasion, the maps give daily details on the military campaigns in Western Europe, showing the progress of the Allied Forces as they push towards Germany. Some of the sheets are accompanied by a declassified "G-3 Report" giving detailed information on troop positions for the period 3 Mar. 1945-26 July 1945. These maps and reports were used by the commanders of the United States forces in their evaluation of the campaigns and for planning future strategies. The collection consists of 416 printed maps and 115 reports, the originals of which reside in the Library of Congress' Geography and Map Division. The collection also contains an "interactive essay" on the Battle of the Bulge http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/maps/wwii/essay1.html, which includes a slide show, detailed views of selected maps, and commentary and analysis from Library of Congress curators on the course of the battle. John M. Anderson, Map Librarian and Director, Cartographic Information Center, Department of Geography & Anthropology, Louisiana State University created the collection's framework text. "World War II Military Situation Maps, 1944-1945" is one of more than 130 thematic presentations available from the American Memory Web site [http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/] of more than 10 million items. These presentations range from the papers of U.S. presidents, Civil War photographs and early films of Thomas Edison to papers documenting the women's suffrage and civil rights movements, Jazz Age photographs and the first baseball cards. The materials are drawn from the collections of the Library of Congress and other major repositories Please use the American Memory Ask A Librarian web form: http://www.loc.gov/rr/askalib/ask-memory2.html or the Geography and Map Division's Ask A Librarian Web form: http://www.loc.gov/rr/askalib/ask-perform2.html for any inquiries about this collection. >>>>>>>>> Laura Gottesman Reference Librarian Digital Reference Team The Library of Congress http://www.loc.gov/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Their decision to persist in these plans reflects not only a desire to extend commercial support, no matter how small, for the region's rebuilding efforts and "rebirth," but also their recognition of the crucial significance of New Orleans in early America given the Mississippi estuary's strategic importance to European colonizers and later the emergent U. S. Republic. Then and now, New Orleans provides hard evidence of the uneven work of racial, political, and economic justice in the United States. Then, in 1803, Brown published several important political writings-- including the propagandist tract An Address to the Government of the United States, on the Cession of Louisiana to the French. Such writings prompt intervention in favor of the new nation's acquisition of Louisiana while scrutinizing the traumatic effects such an acquisition might have on already tenuous social and cultural conditions in the New Republic. According to An Address, Louisiana is a volatile place "in the bowels of the States," a nodal site wherein borders demarcating putatively clear ethnic, racial, and regional and national identities, as well as political and commercial codes of conduct, might become complicated, compromised, and difficult to discern. Today, paralleling this astute (if anxious) recognition by the Philadelphia-based magazine editor, lawyer, and erstwhile novelist, scholars of early America have begun to comprehend the full extent of the significance of Brown's writings, including the celebrated fiction as well as his neglected nonfiction writings, to urgent contemporary debates, not least among these whether or not to expand Jefferson's "empire for liberty" into the Louisiana territories. Accordingly, Brown's works have proven fertile territory for new interpretations of the "circumatlantic" world from and about which Brown wrote. The Society thus welcomes individual or panel proposals on Brown and his contemporaries (particularly those with whom he engaged as a reader, writer, or critical thinker) that further our understanding of how specific boundaries get constructed--and crossed--within and across texts. Topics might include but are by no means limited to: --geographies of race, ethnicity, gender, and sexuality --histories, historiography, and the historical imagination --literary and artistic imaginings of the U. S., Haitian and/or French Revolutions --politics, party, factionalism, and conspiracy --cartographies of expansionism (and contraction) of "region," "nation" and/or "empire" --civil government, religious authority, culture, and democracy --foreign commerce, economy, and border crossing --representations of disaster and refugee experience (from the Haitian Revolution, for example, or in texts authored by British Jacobins) Proposals from various disciplinary and interdisciplinary perspectives are welcome. Send 500-word abstracts by June 1, 2006, to Bryan Waterman (bryan.waterman_at_nyu.edu) and Fritz Fleischmann (fleischmann_at_babson.edu). For further information about the society, see -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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To find exhaustive information concerning the Conference its venue and its spectacular context, please visit the website http://www.melville.us.edu.pl To enter sub-menus, please click on arrows next to the main menu titles. Sincerely yours, Pawel Jedrzejko and Milton M. Reigelman Conference Co-Chairs ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: New Poetry Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] The Melville Society's Sixth International Conference- The Joseph Conrad Society > From: Pawel Jedrzejko (Office) [mailto:jedrzej at us.edu.pl] > Sent: zaterdag 11 maart 2006 12:17 Hearts of Darkness: Melville and Conrad in the Space of World Culture 4-7 August 2007 Szczecin, Poland The Melville Society's Sixth International Conference Co-hosted by The Melville Society, The Joseph Conrad Society (PL, UK, US), The Tall Ships' Races Szczecin 2007 Institutional Organizers: The Institute of British and American Culture and Literature of the University of Silesia in Katowice, Poland Centre College, Danville, Kentucky, USA Call for Papers (Invitation for Participants) The works and lives of Herman Melville and Joseph Conrad have become, separately, the objects of thousands of extensive studies. Juxtaposed, however, the two most important writers-mariners of the past two centuries have been rarely analyzed. This conference, first imagined by the Melville Society several years ago, will take place in Poland, J?zef Konrad Korzeniowski's land of origin, at the beautiful, Hanseatic seaport where perhaps the largest gathering ever of Tall Ships will converge to end their sixweek race in early August, 2007. Melville and Conrad, although as different as an oaken full-rigger and a steel-clad steamer, both float on-or dive into-a sea of profound issues that have always unsettled thinking minds. What better place to explore these two Hearts of Darkness than in a country whose long history has been filled with extraordinary tragedy and extraordinary hope. A gam between Melvillians and Conradians in Szczecin will provide a remarkable opportunity for both groups to deepen their primary interests and also establish new pathways. We invite proposals of 300-500 words (one or two pages) by 25th June 2006. Proposal should be submitted via the online registration form at the Conference website, or off-line forms ought to be sent by e-mail to both conference co-chairs: Pawel Jedrzejko (jedrzej at us.edu.pl) and Milton Reigelman (reigelma at centre.edu). The selection committee will notify you of the status of your proposal by 25 September 2006. Papers may consider Melville, Conrad, or both authors; those that compare the two writers are encouraged. If you wish to organize a panel or roundtable on a specific topic, please include the names of others who will participate. The following categories are meant to be suggestive, of course, rather than descriptive. I - Melville and/or Conrad: Politics/History/Culture II - Melville and/or Conrad: Literary/Historical/Rhetorical Perspectives III - Melville and/or Conrad: Philosophers of the Sea IV - (De)Constructive, Melville, (De)Constructing Conrad V - Polski Conrad, polski Melville (Polish Conrad, Polish Melville - in Polish) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hruggier at localnet.com Tue Mar 14 10:43:13 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:43:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] MOVIE LISTING: FOUND POEMS Message-ID: <006d01c6477e$01c580d0$6500a8c0@Helen> LATE LATE LATE SHOW: A FOUND POEM KING KONG (1933)**** Fay Wray. Bruce Cabot. A captive giant ape escapes and rampages through New York City. 1:40 a.m. SON OF KONG (1933)*** Robert Armstrong. Helen Mack. A producer discovers the late ape's offspring. 1:10 a.m. WAR OF THE WORLDS (1953)**** Gene Barry. Ann Robinson. A surprising turn of events prevents a Martian invasion. 12:45a.m. SON OF GODZILLA (1967) ** Tadao Takashima. Akira Kubo. A giant bug menaces the mighty monster and its offspring. 2:10 a.m. EMPIRE OF THE ANTS (1977)** Joan Collins, Robert Lansing. Radioactive waste turns normal ants into ravenous beasts. (Stereo). 9:30 a.m. NIGHTWING (1979) ** Nick Mancuso. David Warner. Rabid vampire bats terrorize the residents of Arizona. 3:30 a.m. KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE (1988) *** Grant Cramer. Suzanne Snyder. Alien bozos snare earthlings in cotton candy cocoons. 6:30 a.m. WHITE ZOMBIE (nd) no rating Bela Lugosi. Madge Bellamy A plantation owner uses voodoo to ensnare a newlywed. 4:45 a.m. X FROM OUTER SPACE 1966 (nr) Toshiya Wazaki. Peggy Neal A monstrous alien spore threatens to destroy Japan. 5:15 a.m. QUEEN OF BLOOD (1966)*** John Saxon. Basil Rathbone A space ship returns from Mars with a female vampire on board. 5:30 a.m. MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE (1986)* Emilio Estevez. Pat Hingle A truckstop cook and a hitchhiker flee big rigs demonized by a rogue comet. (Horror) I'll say. 3:30 a.m. -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. 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Immodestly, my new collection is called FILM HISTORY and has a few poems about movies in there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Tue Mar 14 12:32:55 2006 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:32:55 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems about Movies? Message-ID: <2f0.103342a.31485847@aol.com> It was released by Word Tech Editions in September of last year. Here are a couple of poems from it (as my ego grows a little larger): Film History So I find you again, Dr. Stevens, not in a classroom?s closed universe but in the tinhorn piano that scored the silent movie I half-watched last night, echo of you providing ?Blood and Sand? or ?The Gold Rush? with a live soundtrack on the classroom piano. I find you tucked in the titles of films you mentioned in class, saying one film leads to another while their names filled my notebook?s margins. Entering your dusty basement domain, the only classroom in the building with a piano, we were barely aware film could claim a history. Sitting among desks and furniture stored and unwanted, we watched the same ninety seconds of film run until we breathed every nuance of its making. When you stepped in the cone of grainy light the projector scooped from the room?s semi-dark and pointed to some unfelt presence we had missed, the scene kept unreeling in the wrinkles and folds of your shirt. Too much of what you said has gone like the commands cornermen bark at fighters between rounds or the instructions teachers call into the push of students leaving class, but the scene from the film always spooled forth the same way, and the day your body became your enemy, showed us the depths of our inadequacy has not changed either. The bow-tied grad student still threads the film. The two girls in front of me ask each other what you have just said. The fitful lights buzz and dim as they have since our first day of class. And you fall from the middle of your sentence to the floor and land with a sound I heard once when a side of beef smacked a concrete slab. We see what has happened. None of us moves. Does the air grow too thick for us to breathe? Like a fighter hearing eight, you stand in the newly-charged room. No one sees the screen your hand waves at. This is drama beyond the refinements of plot. Here is conflict: the boxer ordered to dive, the drifter enticed into murder by the boss?s wife. You fall again. This time we help you up, fetch water, loosen your tie. Medics, grim as townspeople in a black and white Western who watch the outlaws arrive, wheel you out of the room. With a tongue that has forsaken language, still you want to speak. You will return to finish the term, but never again will the air spark as it did in those moments of our helplessness. Never again will movies?now they are only movies again? be more than shadows pretending life and their stories?students who inspire a professor bitter with hard failure, the delinquents redeemed by knowledge? will only be ciphers, figures eclipsed by the vision we saved of one who felt the universe tilt but who rose before our screen-blank faces to fall again, alone with his single instinct to stand, to stand and tell us what we did not know. The Song In the Background A moment comes in the movie Magnolia when the camera drifts between the film?s several unhappy characters to find each singing or mouthing the words of the song in the background, while the apocalyptic rain of movies falls, filling the legendary concrete riverbeds of Los Angeles. The rivers I know best are bedded in mud, run undammed and slow, their hidden muscles of current lounging, hazardous as grief, below the brown skin of water that, like grief, looks easier to cross than it is. If you can believe so many off-key singers, so many fates joined by a single chorus, then you can believe the frogs that suddenly fall at the movie?s end, out of the up-to-now indifferent sky, balls of blood and air bursting fierce and Biblical on a land that dreamed its existence scripted for escape from judgment and prophecy. We escape nothing. Tonight I have tried to write a letter to the wife of my dead teacher and friend, but my words run slick as the well-mapped passage of water along spillways of concrete more accustomed to wine drinkers and skateboarders than sudden gravities of water whose one aim is to join other water. When rain drives the surfaces of brown rivers to a boil, they run light and reckless for a few days, beckon finger-thin canoes to wing the seething alleyways of trees, past foundations of fallen and abandoned mills, into the sudden green flatness of fields whose distances of radio towers and tin-roofed barns summon the judgment no land escapes. In a message dated 3/14/2006 10:52:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, hruggier at localnet.com writes: Is it out yet or in the works - can you give us some samples - I love filmpoems I have a collection called scifi entific attitudes - but only bad late show scifi movies h ----- Original Message ----- From: _AlMaginnes at aol.com_ (mailto:AlMaginnes at aol.com) To: _new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu_ (mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu) Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems about Movies? Immodestly, my new collection is called FILM HISTORY and has a few poems about movies in there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Social movements accompany music with repetition. We begin. Then we invert the sounds, left shoe on right foot. We rush to the window and shout in a social voice "Family!" Mother was strict, this is Daddy. He is in the gentle hold of his imagination. Still the equidistance maintains its fantastic symmetry. The door slams downstairs, toilet flushes, on the street car engine revs, the radio blares full of bass, children outside shout so that every word achieves its peak, two dogs, one small and one deep are barking, and the phone rings. The telephone is a weapon. New noises in new American rhythms address the world with strain. In my sentence only a message. O clipboard --all aspens are the same tree widening, looseleaved. The camera is a scissor--wipes the message from the sentence. The fingers reduce the surface. The holiday-makers are an audience at sea. A railroad track follows the passing waves. 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Jean Vengua & Mark Young Fionna Doney Simmonds reviews A SOLITARY PINE TREE IN SUSSEX by Tim Beech Jennifer Bartlett reviews LIKE THE WIND LOVES A WINDOW by Andrea Baker Abigail Licad reviews PINOY POETICS: A COLLECTION OF AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL AND CRITICAL WRITINGS ON FILIPINO AND FILIPINO-AMERICAN POETICS, Ed. Nick Carbo Sueyeun Julliette Lee reviews RED JUICE by Hoa Nguyen Jesse Glass reviews 4 videos by Ralph Lichtensteiger: "Homing Crows" Ishikawa Jozan; "Sudden Shower" Ishikawa Jozan; "Dancing Ears" Ned Rorem; and " Trace of the Formless" Plotinus. Tom Beckett reviews 3 books by Linh Dinh: FAKE HOUSE, AMERICAN TATTS and BORDERLESS BODIES Bill Marsh reviews BABELLEBAB by Heriberto Yepez Corinne Robins reviews MORAINE by Joanna Fuhrman Yvonne Hortillo reviews KATIPUNERA AND OTHER POEMS by Elsa Martinez Coscolluela Laurel Johnson reviews THE OBEDIENT DOOR by Sean Finney Barry Dordick reviews AFTER TAXES by Thomas Fink Eileen Tabios reviews TRANSITORY by Jane Augustine Rochita Loenen Ruiz reviews TRILL AND MORDENT by Luisa A. Igloria Cati Porter reviews WINTERGREEN by Charles Bennett Michael A. Wells reviews ATLAS by Katrina Vandenberg William Allegrezza reviews SKINNY EIGHTH AVENUE by Stephen Paul Miller Ann E. Michael reviews SNAKESKIN STILETTOS by Moyra Donaldson Ann E. 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I find Eliot grindingly conceptual and calculated; everything is pre-programmed, mapped out like a crossword puzzle. He leaves little to intuition, to the suggestive power of words. And he's too priggish about basic emotion. Ezra Pound had an enormous influence on other writers, including Eliot and Williams. But I don't think he ever succeeded in writing a major poem of his own. I reviewed all Pound's work again for *Break, Blow, Burn*, and my lack of interest in him didn't change. Too much of it is pastiche -- a compulsive showiness, a pillaging of culture for pretentious references that the general reader would need a thousand footnotes for. That's not deep or genuine art-making to me -- it's adolescent skittishness, the posturing of a snippy, adenoidal grad student (I remember that type all too well). Pound was a generous facilitator and mentor, but he was creatively self-crippled. You don't ask about Auden, but that's another big omission in *Break, Blow, Burn*. I had fully intended to include an Auden poem and was dismayed when I couldn't find anything I could endorse for the general reader. Like Pound, Auden had tremendous influence on other poets; his casual, conversational style would permeate modern writing. But the poems themselves I find of questionable quality." - Camille Paglia Personally, I think she's a bit too quick to dismiss Eliot and Pound, poets who really aren't that difficult (however Paglia may be defining that word) if a person takes the time to actually read the poetry. And as far as Auden is concerned, the woman is out of her mind. Hello? Several poems come to mind: "The Unknown Citizen" "Spain" "In Memory of Sigmund Freud" "September 1, 1939" Several of the untitled poems from *Selected Poems* are great, as well, including the opening "Who stands, the crux left of the watershed." . I don't know what Paglia's thinking here. Sorry that I don't have a citation for the quotation. 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Ezra Pound had an enormous influence on other > writers, including Eliot and Williams. But I don't think he ever succeeded in > writing a major poem of his own. I reviewed all Pound's work again for Break, > Blow, Burn, and my lack of interest in him didn't change. Too much of it is > pastiche -- a compulsive showiness, a pillaging of culture for pretentious > references that the general reader would need a thousand footnotes for. That's > not deep or genuine art-making to me -- it's adolescent skittishness, the > posturing of a snippy, adenoidal grad student (I remember that type all too well). > Pound was a generous facilitator and mentor, but he was creatively > self-crippled. You don't ask about Auden, but that's another big omission in Break, > Blow, Burn. I had fully intended to include an Auden poem and was dismayed when > I couldn't find anything I could endorse for the general reader. Like Pound, > Auden had tremendous influence on other poets; his casual, conversational > style would permeate modern writing. But the poems themselves I find of > questionable quality." > > - Camille Paglia > > Personally, I think she's a bit too quick to dismiss Eliot and Pound, poets > who really aren't that difficult (however Paglia may be defining that word) > if a person takes the time to actually read the poetry. > > And as far as Auden is concerned, the woman is out of her mind. Hello? > Several poems come to mind: > > "The Unknown Citizen" > "Spain" > "In Memory of Sigmund Freud" > "September 1, 1939" > > Several of the untitled poems from Selected Poems are great, as well, > including the opening "Who stands, the crux left of the watershed." . I don't > know what Paglia's thinking here. > "As I Walked Out One Evening" would be my choice for a general reader. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 16 10:38:52 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:38:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Feed the rage Message-ID: http://thebrooklynrail.org/archives/feb2006/POETRY/eshleman.html Clayton Eshleman A Question from Gerardo Deniz ??Sabes, imb?cil, c?mo acaban sonando 500 severidades consecutivas?? They sound like the boots of pallbearers during a parade of flag-draped coffins, a pathetic or inspiring clompathon depending on the way one feels about 500 refugee tents scattered about the destruction of Fallujah or a recent dispatch from Dahr Jamail: ?an Iraqi friend of mine who is a doctor in Baghdad told me that when he was in Ramadi yesterday, US soldiers attacked the Anbar Medical School while students were taking their exams. As he said ?They (US soldiers) smashed the front gates of the school in a barbaric way using Humvees? and terrorized the female students while arresting two students while they were working on their exams. They then lay siege to the homes of the dean of the university, along with homes of lecturers, even though their families were inside.? 500 consecutive brutalities. 5000 consecutive lies. 50,000 Americans packing a Colorado Springs evangelical superstructure praying for the Rapture. The sound machines Israelis are experimenting with, where the drone drives your organs wild and if not turned off tears them apart. The Rumsfeldian Doctrine: the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence i.e., no weapons of mass destruction found = immense unfindable quantities of them. As for climate change: shall we re-sacrifice a few mammoths? Cartoon of Aztec priests rolling a nuclear bomb up a pyramid, ripping out its plutonium heart. Gerardo, did you know that just 4 percent of the combined wealth of the 225 biggest fortunes (worth a total of $1 trillion) would be enough to pay for the education, food and basic health care for the planet?s entire population? Believe in the footprint in Mali that contains a village, the dark parts animal manure. Believe that a life, a community, could flourish somewhere, without American intervention. Dahr Jamail (21 June 2005): ??We were tied up and beaten despite being unarmed and having only our medical instruments,? Asma Khamis al-Muhannadi, a doctor who was present during the US and Iraqi National Guard raid on Fallujah General Hospital told reporters later. She said troops dragged patients from their beds and pushed them against the wall. ?I was with a woman in labor, the umbilical cord had not yet been cut,? she said. ?At that time, a US soldier shouted at one of the National Guards to arrest me and tied my hands while I was helping the mother to deliver.?? Anal epoch, millions with their heads up their ass, patriotizing the shit they see spread by our junta?s appetite. Tonight the color of the sky is infested, radiant with stealth. So why do I not stand on my corner with a sign, why do I burrow here? The trajectory of writing: gouged stone, cuneiform, pen, Microsoft word. The testimony is caught, a phantom, between the exploding body, news, and being here. My eyes roll back and I see, through the periscope of my skull, a red churn, fire igniting dew. Infuriated Botero has for once got it right: the tortured fat of Iraq, blindfolded, hands tied behind, writhing on Abu Ghraib cell floors. A bleeding goliath, hanging by his wrists, dressed in pink panties and bra. I think of you, Gerardo Deniz, in Mexico City, behind your wall of a skull rack spiked with Coca-Cola shards, writing your visionary, daffy, meticulous poetry, snacking on larva bonbons, converting your passing into canine jerks, and, whenever she struggles up to achieve pedestal, breaking the legs of glurge. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Thu Mar 16 11:12:04 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:12:04 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Camile Paglia References: <2b9.68a7106.314ada8f@cs.com> Message-ID: <00ae01c64914$5e347eb0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Lay Your Sleeping Head, My Love In Memory of W. B. Yeats Musee de Beaux Arts -- "About suffering they were never wrong" is immediate and powerfu. She's not wrong about Pound and Eliot, in that her criticisms aren't off the mark. But they leave out the greatness -- which is really there -- especially in Eliot. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Camile Paglia In a message dated 3/16/2006 9:05:16 AM Central Standard Time, jeff.newberry at gmail.com writes: This came through on today's E-Verse email (any other subscribers?): "I've never liked T.S. Eliot, even though I view The Waste Land as a cardinal work of the twentieth century. I find Eliot grindingly conceptual and calculated; everything is pre-programmed, mapped out like a crossword puzzle. He leaves little to intuition, to the suggestive power of words. And he's too priggish about basic emotion. Ezra Pound had an enormous influence on other writers, including Eliot and Williams. But I don't think he ever succeeded in writing a major poem of his own. I reviewed all Pound's work again for Break, Blow, Burn, and my lack of interest in him didn't change. Too much of it is pastiche -- a compulsive showiness, a pillaging of culture for pretentious references that the general reader would need a thousand footnotes for. That's not deep or genuine art-making to me -- it's adolescent skittishness, the posturing of a snippy, adenoidal grad student (I remember that type all too well). Pound was a generous facilitator and mentor, but he was creatively self-crippled. You don't ask about Auden, but that's another big omission in Break, Blow, Burn. I had fully intended to include an Auden poem and was dismayed when I couldn't find anything I could endorse for the general reader. Like Pound, Auden had tremendous influence on other poets; his casual, conversational style would permeate modern writing. But the poems themselves I find of questionable quality." - Camille Paglia Personally, I think she's a bit too quick to dismiss Eliot and Pound, poets who really aren't that difficult (however Paglia may be defining that word) if a person takes the time to actually read the poetry. And as far as Auden is concerned, the woman is out of her mind. Hello? Several poems come to mind: "The Unknown Citizen" "Spain" "In Memory of Sigmund Freud" "September 1, 1939" Several of the untitled poems from Selected Poems are great, as well, including the opening "Who stands, the crux left of the watershed." . I don't know what Paglia's thinking here. 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URL: From tad at opus40.org Thu Mar 16 11:12:43 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:12:43 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY References: <002701c6490f$15031b20$6500a8c0@Helen> Message-ID: <00bd01c64914$75296ae0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> www.poems.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY Did Poetry Daily go offline or am I just on the don't sent list After years I suddenly noticed I wasn't getting it anymore Does someone have their url? h ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 11:40:16 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:40:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Camile Paglia In-Reply-To: <00ae01c64914$5e347eb0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> References: <2b9.68a7106.314ada8f@cs.com> <00ae01c64914$5e347eb0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <731bb17a0603160840ua32fe4fy59413ead4ea23d7@mail.gmail.com> I agree, Tad. But I also think that good poetry requires a reader to do a bit of work, as all good art does. I think that her criticism are off the mark for dismissing both Pound and Eliot, though I think that Eliot is clearly a far superior poet. I know that lots of people cite the Cantos as Pound's great poetry, but they never did much for me. I can do the work that Pound requires and track down his references, but even when I do, the Cantos don't do much for me as a reader. As a matter of fact, I like poems that most Pound people hate, like "Ballad of the Goodly Fere," for example. Jeff Newberry On 3/16/06, TheOldMole wrote: > > Lay Your Sleeping Head, My Love > In Memory of W. B. Yeats > Musee de Beaux Arts -- "About suffering they were never wrong" is > immediate and powerfu. > > She's not wrong about Pound and Eliot, in that her criticisms aren't off > the mark. But they leave out the greatness -- which is really there -- > especially in Eliot. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rsgwynn1 at cs.com > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Sent:* Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:13 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Camile Paglia > > > In a message dated 3/16/2006 9:05:16 AM Central Standard Time, > jeff.newberry at gmail.com writes: > > > This came through on today's E-Verse email (any other subscribers?): > > "I've never liked T.S. Eliot, even though I view *The Waste Land* as a > cardinal work of the twentieth century. I find Eliot grindingly conceptual > and calculated; everything is pre-programmed, mapped out like a crossword > puzzle. He leaves little to intuition, to the suggestive power of words. And > he's too priggish about basic emotion. Ezra Pound had an enormous influence > on other writers, including Eliot and Williams. But I don't think he ever > succeeded in writing a major poem of his own. I reviewed all Pound's work > again for *Break, Blow, Burn*, and my lack of interest in him didn't > change. Too much of it is pastiche -- a compulsive showiness, a pillaging of > culture for pretentious references that the general reader would need a > thousand footnotes for. That's not deep or genuine art-making to me -- it's > adolescent skittishness, the posturing of a snippy, adenoidal grad student > (I remember that type all too well). Pound was a generous facilitator and > mentor, but he was creatively self-crippled. You don't ask about Auden, but > that's another big omission in *Break, Blow, Burn*. I had fully intended > to include an Auden poem and was dismayed when I couldn't find anything I > could endorse for the general reader. Like Pound, Auden had tremendous > influence on other poets; his casual, conversational style would permeate > modern writing. But the poems themselves I find of questionable quality." > > - Camille Paglia > > Personally, I think she's a bit too quick to dismiss Eliot and Pound, > poets who really aren't that difficult (however Paglia may be defining that > word) if a person takes the time to actually read the poetry. > > And as far as Auden is concerned, the woman is out of her mind. Hello? > Several poems come to mind: > > "The Unknown Citizen" > "Spain" > "In Memory of Sigmund Freud" > "September 1, 1939" > > Several of the untitled poems from Selected Poems are great, as well, > including the opening "Who stands, the crux left of the watershed." . I > don't know what Paglia's thinking here. > > > "As I Walked Out One Evening" would be my choice for a general reader. > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I find Eliot grindingly > conceptual and calculated; everything is pre-programmed, mapped out > like a crossword puzzle. He leaves little to intuition, to the > suggestive power of words. She may well be thinking of *The Four Quartets*, I suppose. But, good heavens, early Eliot in particular strikes me as *all* about intuition and the suggestive power of words. A woman drew her long black hair out tight And fiddled whisper music on those strings And bats with baby faces in the violet light Whistled, and beat their wings And crawled head downward down a blackened wall And upside down in air were towers Tolling reminiscent bells, that kept the hours And voices singing out of empty cisterns and exhausted wells. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 12:01:38 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:01:38 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Austin AWP reports? In-Reply-To: <2f0.1372d04.314aca50@aol.com> References: <2f0.1372d04.314aca50@aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60603160901y43467f28xf92fba80c68f5c97@mail.gmail.com> On 3/16/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > Anything of interest to report from the AWP > Conference in Austin? Here's kind of a non-report I sent to another list: First, a disclaimer: You'd get a broader picture from someone who experienced all offerings of the conference. Mostly, we (me, Ellie [my wife], Hal [Johnson], Lynda [Schor, Hal's wife], & Nathan Leslie) sat at the Hamilton Stone Editions table in the back forty of the cavernous exhibition hall which housed the bookfair, which in turn was across the street from the main conference hotel, the Hilton. Nathan, a fiction writer newly published by Hamilton Stone, probably spent the most time away from the table as he actually attended panels and readings. We did not attend one single panel or reading, though Hal & Lynda were of course present at one where Lynda read, albeit an off-conference site. We did sell & sign books! I did hear from a friend about one panel on Buddhism and writing, which seemed to be comprised of 5 minute presentations by those who'd lost the self and 20 minute presentations from those who were contemplating losing the self. Also heard from someone who'd attended the Tony Hoagland reading: "He was funny." Also heard of Naomi Shihab Nye's reading: "Her work is superficial." Also, I personally spotted Denis Johnson sitting hawklike on a barstool holding court over a group of grad students who were sitting in regular chairs. Otherwise, for me, AWP fulfilled the function it's come to have more and more over the years: A place to reunite with old friends. I've felt outside the AWP/MFA pale for some time but now feel an almost total disconnection. There seem to be more and more people, and younger people, attending the conference to further A Career In Creative Writing, pobiz, fictbiz etc. We'll skip the Atlanta conference next year, but plan on attending the one in NYC in 2008 if we're all healthy and alive and kickin. -- Jim, who suspects he's attended too many AWP conferences ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Thu Mar 16 12:20:57 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:20:57 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Austin AWP reports? Message-ID: <286.764a62d.314af879@cs.com> In a message dated 3/16/2006 11:13:29 AM Central Standard Time, cervantes.james at gmail.com writes: > Otherwise, for me, AWP fulfilled the function it's come to have more > and more over the years: A place to reunite with old friends. I've > felt outside the AWP/MFA pale for some time but now feel an almost > total disconnection. There seem to be more and more people, and > younger people, attending the conference to further A Career In > Creative Writing, pobiz, fictbiz etc. I did get to say hello briefly to Jim. Jim, I apologize for the brevity! Jeez, what a mob scene! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know that lots of people cite the Cantos as Pound's great poetry, but they never did much for me. I can do the work that Pound requires and track down his references, but even when I do, the Cantos don't do much for me as a reader. As a matter of fact, I like poems that most Pound people hate, like "Ballad of the Goodly Fere," for example. Jeff Newberry On 3/16/06, TheOldMole wrote: Lay Your Sleeping Head, My Love In Memory of W. B. Yeats Musee de Beaux Arts -- "About suffering they were never wrong" is immediate and powerfu. She's not wrong about Pound and Eliot, in that her criticisms aren't off the mark. But they leave out the greatness -- which is really there -- especially in Eliot. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Camile Paglia In a message dated 3/16/2006 9:05:16 AM Central Standard Time, jeff.newberry at gmail.com writes: This came through on today's E-Verse email (any other subscribers?): "I've never liked T.S. Eliot, even though I view The Waste Land as a cardinal work of the twentieth century. I find Eliot grindingly conceptual and calculated; everything is pre-programmed, mapped out like a crossword puzzle. He leaves little to intuition, to the suggestive power of words. And he's too priggish about basic emotion. Ezra Pound had an enormous influence on other writers, including Eliot and Williams. But I don't think he ever succeeded in writing a major poem of his own. I reviewed all Pound's work again for Break, Blow, Burn, and my lack of interest in him didn't change. Too much of it is pastiche -- a compulsive showiness, a pillaging of culture for pretentious references that the general reader would need a thousand footnotes for. That's not deep or genuine art-making to me -- it's adolescent skittishness, the posturing of a snippy, adenoidal grad student (I remember that type all too well). Pound was a generous facilitator and mentor, but he was creatively self-crippled. You don't ask about Auden, but that's another big omission in Break, Blow, Burn. I had fully intended to include an Auden poem and was dismayed when I couldn't find anything I could endorse for the general reader. Like Pound, Auden had tremendous influence on other poets; his casual, conversational style would permeate modern writing. But the poems themselves I find of questionable quality." - Camille Paglia Personally, I think she's a bit too quick to dismiss Eliot and Pound, poets who really aren't that difficult (however Paglia may be defining that word) if a person takes the time to actually read the poetry. And as far as Auden is concerned, the woman is out of her mind. Hello? Several poems come to mind: "The Unknown Citizen" "Spain" "In Memory of Sigmund Freud" "September 1, 1939" Several of the untitled poems from Selected Poems are great, as well, including the opening "Who stands, the crux left of the watershed." . I don't know what Paglia's thinking here. 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Kept trying poetry .com and wow. ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY www.poems.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY Did Poetry Daily go offline or am I just on the don't sent list After years I suddenly noticed I wasn't getting it anymore Does someone have their url? h ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. 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I've felt outside the AWP/MFA pale for some time but now feel an almost total disconnection. There seem to be more and more people, and younger people, attending the conference to further A Career In Creative Writing, pobiz, fictbiz etc. I did get to say hello briefly to Jim. Jim, I apologize for the brevity! Jeez, what a mob scene! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 13:33:01 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:33:01 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY In-Reply-To: <006701c64924$38b8e710$980d9942@Helen> References: <002701c6490f$15031b20$6500a8c0@Helen> <00bd01c64914$75296ae0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <006701c64924$38b8e710$980d9942@Helen> Message-ID: <731bb17a0603161033u377a88d6t5a9ce1743e8d6fde@mail.gmail.com> Helen, I had a graduate class a few years back in which we used the poems from Poetry Daily as a textbook. We met once a week and were responsible for printing out the poems, reading them, and being ready to discuss them in class. One not-so-hot grad student copied down "poetry.com" rather than "poems.com." She was bewildered throughout the first meeting and confessed to me her confusion. I thought she was just having difficulty with the poetry. She wasn't a poet and was taking the class because she was interested in some writer we were to cover later that term--I forget which. Anyway, this poor lady didn't discover her error until three weeks into the class. I felt so bad. The professor wasn't so nice about it, either. Jeff Newberry On 3/16/06, Helen Ruggieri wrote: > > Thanks. Kept trying poetry .com and wow. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* TheOldMole > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views > *Sent:* Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:12 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY > > > www.poems.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Helen Ruggieri > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Sent:* Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:34 AM > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY > > > Did Poetry Daily go offline or am I just on the don't sent list > > After years I suddenly noticed I wasn't getting it anymore > > Does someone have their url? > > h > ------------------------------ > My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and > corporate anti-spam solutions. 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And > buy too many books. > In a message dated 3/16/2006 12:30:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Rsgwynn1 at cs.com writes: > > >> In a message dated 3/16/2006 11:13:29 AM Central Standard Time, >> cervantes.james at gmail.com writes: >> >>> Otherwise, for me, AWP fulfilled the function it's come to have more >>> and more over the years: A place to reunite with old friends. I've >>> felt outside the AWP/MFA pale for some time but now feel an almost >>> total disconnection. There seem to be more and more people, and >>> younger people, attending the conference to further A Career In >>> Creative Writing, pobiz, fictbiz etc. >> I did get to say hello briefly to Jim. Jim, I apologize for the brevity! >> Jeez, what a mob scene! >> >> > > > > Like what I said before. Just substitute "Al" for "Jim." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I find Eliot grindingly conceptual and >> calculated; everything is pre-programmed, mapped out like a crossword puzzle. >> He leaves little to intuition, to the suggestive power of words. > > > She may well be thinking of *The Four Quartets*, I suppose.? But, good > heavens, early Eliot in particular strikes me as *all* about intuition and the > suggestive power of words.?? > > ? ? ?A woman drew her long black hair out tight??????????? ? > ? ? ?And fiddled whisper music on those strings??????????? ? > ? ? ?And bats with baby faces in the violet light??????????? ? > ? ? ?Whistled, and beat their wings? ?? ?? ?? ? > ? ? ?And crawled head downward down a blackened wall??????????? ? > ? ? ?And upside down in air were towers??????????? ? > ?? ?Tolling reminiscent bells, that kept the hours??????????? ? > ? ? ?And voices singing out of empty cisterns and exhausted wells.??????????? > ? > > > > > > > ========================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > Poetry Library: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > ========================================== > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > The same lines you quote always come to mind to me too when I think of the way Eliot achieves all sorts of weird emotional resonance in his best lines. Paglia?s simply wrong. Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Thu Mar 16 07:14:41 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:14:41 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Camile Paglia In-Reply-To: <002801c64922$5d600f50$980d9942@Helen> Message-ID: I just taught ?Stop the clocks? yesterday in my Comp II class. The students liked it, I think, and it?s always fun to read aloud. Paul On 3/16/06 11:52 AM, "Helen Ruggieri" wrote: > For Auden - I am not sure of the title but "Stop the clocks" > is a very nice poem for general readers - I've had students select it > as their favorite. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jeff Newberry >> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Camile Paglia >> >> I agree, Tad. >> >> But I also think that good poetry requires a reader to do a bit of work, as >> all good art does. I think that her criticism are off the mark for >> dismissing both Pound and Eliot, though I think that Eliot is clearly a far >> superior poet. I know that lots of people cite the Cantos as Pound's great >> poetry, but they never did much for me. I can do the work that Pound >> requires and track down his references, but even when I do, the Cantos don't >> do much for me as a reader. As a matter of fact, I like poems that most >> Pound people hate, like "Ballad of the Goodly Fere," for example. >> >> Jeff Newberry >> >> >> On 3/16/06, TheOldMole wrote: >>> Lay Your Sleeping Head, My Love >>> In Memory of W. B. Yeats >>> Musee de Beaux Arts -- "About suffering they were never wrong" is immediate >>> and powerfu. >>> >>> She's not wrong about Pound and Eliot, in that her criticisms aren't off the >>> mark. But they leave out the greatness -- which is really there -- >>> especially in Eliot. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com >>> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Camile Paglia >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 3/16/2006 9:05:16 AM Central Standard Time, >>> jeff.newberry at gmail.com writes: >>>> >>>> This came through on today's E-Verse email (any other subscribers?): >>>> >>>> "I've never liked T.S. Eliot, even though I view The Waste Land as a >>>> cardinal work of the twentieth century. I find Eliot grindingly conceptual >>>> and calculated; everything is pre-programmed, mapped out like a crossword >>>> puzzle. He leaves little to intuition, to the suggestive power of words. >>>> And he's too priggish about basic emotion. Ezra Pound had an enormous >>>> influence on other writers, including Eliot and Williams. But I don't think >>>> he ever succeeded in writing a major poem of his own. I reviewed all >>>> Pound's work again for Break, Blow, Burn, and my lack of interest in him >>>> didn't change. Too much of it is pastiche -- a compulsive showiness, a >>>> pillaging of culture for pretentious references that the general reader >>>> would need a thousand footnotes for. That's not deep or genuine art-making >>>> to me -- it's adolescent skittishness, the posturing of a snippy, adenoidal >>>> grad student (I remember that type all too well). Pound was a generous >>>> facilitator and mentor, but he was creatively self-crippled. You don't ask >>>> about Auden, but that's another big omission in Break, Blow, Burn. I had >>>> fully intended to include an Auden poem and was dismayed when I couldn't >>>> find anything I could endorse for the general reader. Like Pound, Auden had >>>> tremendous influence on other poets; his casual, conversational style would >>>> permeate modern writing. But the poems themselves I find of questionable >>>> quality." >>>> >>>> - Camille Paglia >>>> >>>> Personally, I think she's a bit too quick to dismiss Eliot and Pound, poets >>>> who really aren't that difficult (however Paglia may be defining that word) >>>> if a person takes the time to actually read the poetry. >>>> >>>> And as far as Auden is concerned, the woman is out of her mind. Hello? >>>> Several poems come to mind: >>>> >>>> "The Unknown Citizen" >>>> "Spain" >>>> "In Memory of Sigmund Freud" >>>> "September 1, 1939" >>>> >>>> Several of the untitled poems from Selected Poems are great, as well, >>>> including the opening "Who stands, the crux left of the watershed." . I >>>> don't know what Paglia's thinking here. >>> >>> "As I Walked Out One Evening" would be my choice for a general reader. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The crowd was sparse and half the audience was African American kids from the local Classical Magnet High. Perhaps the youth and race of the students unnerved her somewhat. She read her poems with a degree of hesitation, not really stumbling on the words, but as though she was seeing the poems for the first time. And she read with a bit of of flat affect...not really varying pace and modulation in a way that would give the poetry some vocal enhancement. The poems seemed indistinct....blending one into the other. I don't really know Schnakenberg's work well...I understand she's grouped as a formalist. She spoke of the rime in her poetry and having written many, many poems in quatrains. Anyway, 9 times out of 10 when I go to a reading I buy the poet's book, even if I'm a little lukewarm about the work after hearing the poet. But this time I headed straight for the door. I don't want to make too much of this, and my own mood may have played a factor in my experience, but she certainly didn't 'sell me' on her poetry. The best piece I heard was an elegy for her father called "Nightfishing". She chose a very long poem to conclude with--probably a mistake to end a longish reading with very long poem--based on the Sleeping Beauty folktale. The best image from the reading was from that poem, an image of the massively overgrown rose bushes around the castle and the twisted branches of the briars carrying off an axe from the hands of a dead suitor whose skeleton was entangled in the thicket. I'm sure I get my hands on a book of hers by & by, and give her work another chance. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What's happened to it lately! h ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Newberry To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY Helen, I had a graduate class a few years back in which we used the poems from Poetry Daily as a textbook. We met once a week and were responsible for printing out the poems, reading them, and being ready to discuss them in class. One not-so-hot grad student copied down "poetry.com" rather than "poems.com." She was bewildered throughout the first meeting and confessed to me her confusion. I thought she was just having difficulty with the poetry. She wasn't a poet and was taking the class because she was interested in some writer we were to cover later that term--I forget which. Anyway, this poor lady didn't discover her error until three weeks into the class. I felt so bad. The professor wasn't so nice about it, either. Jeff Newberry On 3/16/06, Helen Ruggieri wrote: Thanks. Kept trying poetry .com and wow. ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY www.poems.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY Did Poetry Daily go offline or am I just on the don't sent list After years I suddenly noticed I wasn't getting it anymore Does someone have their url? h ------------------------------------------------------------------------ My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. 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Many > readers I respect love his > > stuff, but to my eyes he's a minor poet with a > large following.? He wrote some > > very nice lyrics (not nearly as many as Frost or > Williams), but the longer > > works and *The Cantos* are just seminar-fodder as > far as I'm concerned. > > > > But about Eliot Paglia's remarks seem > incomprehensible.? Consider this > > comment, for example: > > > >> "I've never liked T.S. Eliot, even though I view > The Waste Land as a cardinal > >> work of the twentieth century. I find Eliot > grindingly conceptual and > >> calculated; everything is pre-programmed, mapped > out like a crossword puzzle. > >> He leaves little to intuition, to the suggestive > power of words. > > > > > > She may well be thinking of *The Four Quartets*, I > suppose.? But, good > > heavens, early Eliot in particular strikes me as > *all* about intuition and the > > suggestive power of words.?? > > > > ? ? ?A woman drew her long black hair out > tight??????????? ? > > ? ? ?And fiddled whisper music on those > strings??????????? ? > > ? ? ?And bats with baby faces in the violet > light??????????? ? > > ? ? ?Whistled, and beat their wings? ?? ?? ?? ? > > ? ? ?And crawled head downward down a blackened > wall??????????? ? > > ? ? ?And upside down in air were towers??????????? > ? > > ?? ?Tolling reminiscent bells, that kept the > hours??????????? ? > > ? ? ?And voices singing out of empty cisterns and > exhausted wells.??????????? > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================================== > > > > David Graham > > > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > > > Home Page: > > > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > > > Poetry Library: > > > > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > > > ========================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > The same lines you quote always come to mind to me > too when I think of the > way Eliot achieves all sorts of weird emotional > resonance in his best lines. > Paglia?s simply wrong. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From LauraHeidy at aol.com Thu Mar 16 14:44:29 2006 From: LauraHeidy at aol.com (LauraHeidy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:44:29 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY Message-ID: <2dd.4006d0f.314b1a1d@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/2006 1:42:30 PM Central Standard Time, hruggier at localnet.com writes: Did Poetry Daily go offline or am I just on the don't sent list After years I suddenly noticed I wasn't getting it anymore Does someone have their url? h _Poetry Daily, a new poem every day._ (http://poems.com/) _http://poems.com/_ (http://poems.com/) Lo _Terminal Chaosity_ (http://lauraheidy.blogspot.com/) http://lauraheidy.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've used it as a text in a writing course, and it's a good cross-section of what they publish. On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:33 PM, Helen Ruggieri wrote: > A woman who lives on my street always stops to tell me she's had a > poem published there - > and often students who take my beginning poetry writing course will > announce that they've > been published there. I probably send to the wrong places! Anyway, > Poetry Daily would make an interesting text. > Some good essays come up from time to time too. > I resubscribed And I'm not reupping for Poets & Writers. What's > happened > to it lately! > h ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:46 PM, David Graham wrote: > But that doesn't provide anything that isn't anything you can't > find on the site. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 16 14:35:01 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:35:01 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] speaking of bad readings, Allen Tate In-Reply-To: <29c.74efc38.314b15aa@aol.com> References: <29c.74efc38.314b15aa@aol.com> Message-ID: <8173203E-BCD2-418A-94F6-ADA51FAF77FD@earthlink.net> I remember, back in grad school days, hearing Allen Tate read at the Univ. of Chicago. He began with a poem by Wm. Lyon Phelps and then proceeded to excoriate the audience for not laughing at "one of the funniest poems in the language." The absence of laughter was due largely to Tate's being three sheets to the wind, compounded by his flat, border-South drawl, not a word of which was understood by anyone in the room, it seemed. "He's the kind of guy who can brighten a room by leaving it." --Milton Berle Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Mar 16 15:22:36 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:22:36 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] speaking of bad readings In-Reply-To: <8173203E-BCD2-418A-94F6-ADA51FAF77FD@earthlink.net> References: <29c.74efc38.314b15aa@aol.com> <8173203E-BCD2-418A-94F6-ADA51FAF77FD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2A62FD48-A351-4B48-B1CD-8D9FC1F01065@ripon.edu> At Dartmouth College in the early 1970s I heard Elizabeth Bishop give one of the worst readings I've ever heard. Or not heard, more precisely, since half of what she said was inaudible. The shuffling paper (of which there was a lot) was louder than her voice. It put me off her work for a number of years, I admit. As did a somewhat later reading by Stanley Kunitz, who at the time was in his high declamatory mode, and sounded for all the world like an actor in a bad 19th century melodrama. Oh, the list goes on & on. I've heard Derek Walcott give two of the most spellbinding readings ever, but another time, at Woodland Pattern Bookstore in Milwaukee WI, he was death warmed over, with Attitude to boot. Maybe he had the flu or was hung over. . . . On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > I remember, back in grad school days, hearing Allen Tate read > at the Univ. of Chicago. He began with a poem by Wm. Lyon Phelps > and then proceeded to excoriate the audience for not laughing at > "one of the funniest poems in the language." The absence of > laughter was due largely to Tate's being three sheets to the wind, > compounded by his flat, border-South drawl, not a word of which > was understood by anyone in the room, it seemed. > > "He's the kind of guy who can brighten > a room by leaving it." > --Milton Berle > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suppose it's obvious I've been reading freshman essays . On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:46 PM, David Graham wrote: But that doesn't provide anything that isn't anything you can't find on the site. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Thu Mar 16 16:05:15 2006 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:05:15 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Austin AWP reports? Message-ID: <28c.7822c2d.314b2d0b@aol.com> Too political, but political in a smug, "aren't we smarter than everyone else?" sort of way. I think some poets recently have written a few pretty good political poems, David Wojahn, for example. 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URL: From clitophon at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 16:09:10 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:09:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Fuggers In-Reply-To: <00cd01c6493b$6ba79240$9cae3452@ANNY> Message-ID: <20060316210910.55363.qmail@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> yes, that preacher in Sankt Gallen really made an impression. I think he was pushing the townspeople towards considering the meaning of their lives beyond the shallow consumerism surrounding them, but I think he was losing the battle against their indifference. Still, I think any attempt to question, at anything different, is a good thing. (even if I might disagree with the content of his sermon) The Cathedral in Sankt Gallen is spectacular, perhaps too baroque but enormous. too big for a town of that size. Today I was in Augsburg. The Fugger family, who lived there, were the power in the world in the 16th century and the 17th but since then it has all been downhill for Augsburg. Bert Brecht was born there which leads me to believe that his radical politics were a reaction (and maybe a continuation) of the traditional, conservative ethos of the place. Still, another very interesting place in Bavaria. I went to the Rathaus to see the Goldenen Saal, which was restored after WW2. Spectacular, but also garish in its ornamentation, like the Cathedral in SG. (perhaps they wanted to make a statement, ie look at all the gold WE?VE got...). I think such ostantatiousness can be beguiling and ultimately leaves a hollow feeling. I spoke to the Chef at the school in Augsburg, a very nice chap from Liverpool who seemed interested in offering me some hours. But I also have further sondern angebots in Berlin too, so must decide very soon what I do. A publisher in India has written to me asking for work, so my name has definitely penetrated the sub-Contintent, obviously a vast market for poetry and a country full of poetry and philosophy, no doubt, in a way which we westerners can only wonder at. I wonder if they would invite me on a reading tour of Delhi, Calcutta etc???? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 16:11:32 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:11:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] POETRY DAILY In-Reply-To: References: <002701c6490f$15031b20$6500a8c0@Helen> <00bd01c64914$75296ae0$6701a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <006701c64924$38b8e710$980d9942@Helen> <731bb17a0603161033u377a88d6t5a9ce1743e8d6fde@mail.gmail.com> <002601c64930$84312930$6500a8c0@Helen> Message-ID: <731bb17a0603161311h55d109acv1adacf655b3358bd@mail.gmail.com> I think by subscribing, people are referring to the newsletter, David. But I could be wrong. Typically, I am. Jeff Newberry On 3/16/06, David Graham wrote: > > Yes, Poetry.com is an embarrassment and a joke. The > International Library of Excruciatingly Bad Poetry. . . . > > But what do people mean about "subscribing" to Poetry Daily, though? It's > a web site. I am on their email list, which sends teasers, a single poem > from the archives, and loads of ads once a week. But that doesn't provide > anything that isn't anything you can't find on the site. > > > By the way, if anyone isn't aware, there's a book of Poetry Daily poems > also--title is *Poetry Daily*. I've used it as a text in a writing course, > and it's a good cross-section of what they publish. > > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:33 PM, Helen Ruggieri wrote: > > A woman who lives on my street always stops to tell me she's had a poem > published there - > and often students who take my beginning poetry writing course will > announce that they've > been published there. I probably send to the wrong places! Anyway, > Poetry Daily would make an interesting text. > Some good essays come up from time to time too. > I resubscribed And I'm not reupping for Poets & Writers. What's happened > to it lately! > h > > > > ========================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > *http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html* > > Poetry Library: > > *http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html* > > ========================================== > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Demon 1 says he can manage all the medical problems that come along - we?re all dead after all - but eating all that soot and ashes is so - well, its irritating and boring but also painful. Smithian supply and demand economics, they?re just not suited to Hell. Only living people can say they renounce love, but we actually have renounced, not just love, but coal, oil, clothes, food. Frankly I?m getting sick of Hell. Its not the dystopia I once thought it. I even think a Maoist Republic might be preferable. I think the half-living people of Beijing must occasionally find some human warmth, even if it is miserable, freezing, suffering and very, very small." 2nd Demon - "You?re a sentimentalist, John! At Versailles, you thought that Germany should not be punished in such a vindictive way. That would have made it even more difficult to defeat it the 2nd time around. The Devil thinks you don?t pull your weight, even when it comes to eating soot. Your not cut out for Hell. You might even ask yourself, why was I sent here?" JM - Why? 2nd Demon - " You were sent here as an observer. Hell has no objective existence except in your mind. Wish it away or regard it as a play. If you?d been truly objective, then you might have become Tsar of Outer Mongolia or some other trans-Siberian depot. Instead you invented the Arts Council! (screaming) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From opus40-01 at opus40.org Thu Mar 16 16:54:54 2006 From: opus40-01 at opus40.org (opus40-01 at opus40.org) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:54:54 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot Message-ID: <20060316215454.E52AC13CEA@smapp02.siteprotect.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clitophon at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 06:28:43 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:28:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <20060316215454.E52AC13CEA@smapp02.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <20060317112843.72103.qmail@web36513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> she?s not an anything of any kind. A mis-product of a mis-produced, backwards era, fashioning celebrities like Paglia out of 2nd hand views and old and languishing ideas. she?s not even a generalist of any occasion. Just a crassist who believes in reciting a pseudo-Freudian mantra over and over again. Her books are interminable reading. Read some properly thought out ideas on Freud or anything but not that gimcrack rubbish. --- opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: --------------------------------- To me, someone's not being a literary critic of any kind is not enough to make me not take them seriously (how's that for a sentence, David?) I hold no brief for Paglia, but I think we need more Paglias -- generalists who take poetry seriously. On Thu Mar 16 14:35 , Paul Murphy sent: you know, Paglia isnt taken seriously by anyone. She´s not a literary critic of any kind but a pundit reciting a lot of belles lettristic impressions and mulling over some very old and lukewarm received wisdom. All poetry will devolve eventually into some kind of puzzle, because language itself is a puzzle to us and poetry is just a heightening of that puzzle. People like Paglia fear language most of all. They dont want it. It gets in the way of clarity and language points in the opposite direction, away from clarity to something more puzzling and complex. Paul Murphy --- Paul Lake wrote: > On 3/16/06 10:41 AM, "David Graham" > wrote: > > > I tend to agree with Paglia about Pound. Many > readers I respect love his > > stuff, but to my eyes he's a minor poet with a > large following. He wrote some > > very nice lyrics (not nearly as many as Frost or > Williams), but the longer > > works and *The Cantos* are just seminar-fodder as > far as I'm concerned. > > > > But about Eliot Paglia's remarks seem > incomprehensible. Consider this > > comment, for example: > > > >> "I've never liked T.S. Eliot, even though I view > The Waste Land as a cardinal > >> work of the twentieth century. I find Eliot > grindingly conceptual and > >> calculated; everything is pre-programmed, mapped > out like a crossword puzzle. > >> He leaves little to intuition, to the suggestive > power of words. > > > > > > She may well be thinking of *The Four Quartets*, I > suppose. But, good > > heavens, early Eliot in particular strikes me as > *all* about intuition and the > > suggestive power of words. > > > > A woman drew her long black hair out > tight > > And fiddled whisper music on those > strings > > And bats with baby faces in the violet > light > > Whistled, and beat their wings > > And crawled head downward down a blackened > wall > > And upside down in air were towers > > > Tolling reminiscent bells, that kept the > hours > > And voices singing out of empty cisterns and > exhausted wells. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================================== > > > > David Graham > > > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > > > Home Page: > > > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > > > Poetry Library: > > > > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > > > ========================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > The same lines you quote always come to mind to me > too when I think of the > way Eliot achieves all sorts of weird emotional > resonance in his best lines. > Paglia¹s simply wrong. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From halvard at earthlink.net Fri Mar 17 08:30:54 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:30:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <20060317112843.72103.qmail@web36513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060317112843.72103.qmail@web36513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2523C69E-A3F2-4125-BC27-C5B1D0C47DC8@earthlink.net> Apart from all that, what do you really have against her, Paul. Hal Actual Product May Vary from Photos Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 17, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Paul Murphy wrote: > she?s not an anything of any kind. A mis-product of a > mis-produced, backwards era, fashioning celebrities > like Paglia out of 2nd hand views and old and > languishing ideas. she?s not even a generalist of any > occasion. Just a crassist who believes in reciting a > pseudo-Freudian mantra over and over again. Her books > are interminable reading. Read some properly thought > out ideas on Freud or anything but not that gimcrack > rubbish. > > --- opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > > To me, someone's not being a literary critic of any > kind is not enough to make me not take them seriously > (how's that for a sentence, David?) I hold no brief > for Paglia, but I think we need more Paglias -- > generalists who take poetry seriously. > > > On Thu Mar 16 14:35 , Paul Murphy sent: > > you know, Paglia isnt taken seriously by anyone. > She´s not a literary critic of any kind but a > pundit > reciting a lot of belles lettristic impressions and > mulling over some very old and lukewarm received > wisdom. All poetry will devolve eventually into some > kind of puzzle, because language itself is a puzzle to > us and poetry is just a heightening of that puzzle. > People like Paglia fear language most of all. They > dont want it. It gets in the way of clarity and > language points in the opposite direction, away from > clarity to something more puzzling and complex. > > Paul Murphy > > --- Paul Lake wrote: > >> On 3/16/06 10:41 AM, "David Graham" >> wrote: >> >>> I tend to agree with Paglia about Pound. Many >> readers I respect love his >>> stuff, but to my eyes he's a minor poet with a >> large following. He wrote some >>> very nice lyrics (not nearly as many as Frost or >> Williams), but the longer >>> works and *The Cantos* are just seminar-fodder as >> far as I'm concerned. >>> >>> But about Eliot Paglia's remarks seem >> incomprehensible. Consider this >>> comment, for example: >>> >>>> "I've never liked T.S. Eliot, even though I view >> The Waste Land as a cardinal >>>> work of the twentieth century. I find Eliot >> grindingly conceptual and >>>> calculated; everything is pre-programmed, mapped >> out like a crossword puzzle. >>>> He leaves little to intuition, to the suggestive >> power of words. >>> >>> >>> She may well be thinking of *The Four Quartets*, I >> suppose. But, good >>> heavens, early Eliot in particular strikes me as >> *all* about intuition and the >>> suggestive power of words. >>> >>> A woman drew her long black hair out >> tight >>> And fiddled whisper music on those >> strings >>> And bats with baby faces in the violet >> light >>> Whistled, and beat their wings >>> And crawled head downward down a blackened >> wall >>> And upside down in air were towers >> >>> Tolling reminiscent bells, that kept the >> hours >>> And voices singing out of empty cisterns and >> exhausted wells. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========================================== >>> >>> David Graham >>> >>> grahamd at ripon.edu >>> >>> Home Page: >>> >>> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html >>> >>> Poetry Library: >>> >>> >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html >>> >>> ========================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> The same lines you quote always come to mind to me >> too when I think of the >> way Eliot achieves all sorts of weird emotional >> resonance in his best lines. >> Paglia¹s simply wrong. >> >> Paul >>> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From clitophon at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 08:38:53 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:38:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <2523C69E-A3F2-4125-BC27-C5B1D0C47DC8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060317133854.64306.qmail@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> nothing at all. I?ve never met her in person. --- Halvard Johnson wrote: > Apart from all that, what do you really have > against her, Paul. > > Hal Actual Product May Vary from Photos > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > On Mar 17, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Paul Murphy wrote: > > > she?s not an anything of any kind. A mis-product > of a > > mis-produced, backwards era, fashioning > celebrities > > like Paglia out of 2nd hand views and old and > > languishing ideas. she?s not even a generalist of > any > > occasion. Just a crassist who believes in > reciting a > > pseudo-Freudian mantra over and over again. Her > books > > are interminable reading. Read some properly > thought > > out ideas on Freud or anything but not that > gimcrack > > rubbish. > > > > --- opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > To me, someone's not being a literary critic of > any > > kind is not enough to make me not take them > seriously > > (how's that for a sentence, David?) I hold no > brief > > for Paglia, but I think we need more Paglias -- > > generalists who take poetry seriously. > > > > > > On Thu Mar 16 14:35 , Paul Murphy sent: > > > > you know, Paglia isnt taken seriously by anyone. > > She´s not a literary critic of any kind but > a > > pundit > > reciting a lot of belles lettristic impressions > and > > mulling over some very old and lukewarm received > > wisdom. All poetry will devolve eventually into > some > > kind of puzzle, because language itself is a > puzzle to > > us and poetry is just a heightening of that > puzzle. > > People like Paglia fear language most of all. > They > > dont want it. It gets in the way of clarity and > > language points in the opposite direction, away > from > > clarity to something more puzzling and complex. > > > > Paul Murphy > > > > --- Paul Lake wrote: > > > >> On 3/16/06 10:41 AM, "David Graham" > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I tend to agree with Paglia about Pound. Many > >> readers I respect love his > >>> stuff, but to my eyes he's a minor poet with a > >> large following. He wrote some > >>> very nice lyrics (not nearly as many as Frost or > >> Williams), but the longer > >>> works and *The Cantos* are just seminar-fodder > as > >> far as I'm concerned. > >>> > >>> But about Eliot Paglia's remarks seem > >> incomprehensible. Consider this > >>> comment, for example: > >>> > >>>> "I've never liked T.S. Eliot, even though I > view > >> The Waste Land as a cardinal > >>>> work of the twentieth century. I find Eliot > >> grindingly conceptual and > >>>> calculated; everything is pre-programmed, > mapped > >> out like a crossword puzzle. > >>>> He leaves little to intuition, to the > suggestive > >> power of words. > >>> > >>> > >>> She may well be thinking of *The Four Quartets*, > I > >> suppose. But, good > >>> heavens, early Eliot in particular strikes me as > >> *all* about intuition and the > >>> suggestive power of words. > >>> > >>> A woman drew her long black hair out > >> tight > >>> And fiddled whisper music on those > >> strings > >>> And bats with baby faces in the violet > >> light > >>> Whistled, and beat their wings > >>> And crawled head downward down a blackened > >> wall > >>> And upside down in air were towers > >> > >>> Tolling reminiscent bells, that kept the > >> hours > >>> And voices singing out of empty cisterns > and > >> exhausted wells. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ========================================== > >>> > >>> David Graham > >>> > >>> grahamd at ripon.edu > >>> > >>> Home Page: > >>> > >>> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > >>> > >>> Poetry Library: > >>> > >>> > >> > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > >>> > >>> ========================================== > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> New-Poetry mailing list > >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >>> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >>> > >> > >> The same lines you quote always come to mind to > me > >> too when I think of the > >> way Eliot achieves all sorts of weird emotional > >> resonance in his best lines. > >> Paglia¹s simply wrong. > >> > >> Paul > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hruggier at localnet.com Fri Mar 17 11:24:35 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:24:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] speaking of bad readings, Allen Tate References: <29c.74efc38.314b15aa@aol.com> <8173203E-BCD2-418A-94F6-ADA51FAF77FD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004101c649df$484824a0$6500a8c0@Helen> This could turn into "can You top this?" I can. Gregory Corso - maybe two years before he passed away (and I have a tape of this). He didn't bring a book because the f'er (referring to the guy who ran the series) didn't tell him. We got a book off the library shelf for him. Every other word was the f word (I don't want the FBI to pick up on this while they're sweeping online traffic). In the middle of the (I hate to call it a reading) he went over and tried to make a date to f the librarian. He told the woman next to me she was fat and asked did she feel happy in that body. He told us all the English were pedophiles and two English visitors got up and walked out. Let's see, what else did he do? He might have squeezed in a few poems. He continued to "rap" until most of the audience had walked out for one insult or another. This is your mind on drugs? Good commercial. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] speaking of bad readings, Allen Tate >I remember, back in grad school days, hearing Allen Tate read > at the Univ. of Chicago. He began with a poem by Wm. Lyon Phelps > and then proceeded to excoriate the audience for not laughing at > "one of the funniest poems in the language." The absence of > laughter was due largely to Tate's being three sheets to the wind, > compounded by his flat, border-South drawl, not a word of which > was understood by anyone in the room, it seemed. > > "He's the kind of guy who can brighten > a room by leaving it." > --Milton Berle > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com From chris.lott at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 11:40:35 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:40:35 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <20060317133854.64306.qmail@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2523C69E-A3F2-4125-BC27-C5B1D0C47DC8@earthlink.net> <20060317133854.64306.qmail@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603170840w53d26053w9c330c60e3632212@mail.gmail.com> Everyone has a slant. Paglia's is an addled kind of anti-pro-feminist-Freud. Paglia's gotten more press than she deserves, granted. And her negative views get more press than her positive readings, but it is ever thus in the press and on this mailing list and everywhere between. But she is a far more attentive, astute, and critical reader than probably 99% of the readers out there. Which is what writers are always *saying* they want. Or is that writers *really* want readers who are attentive, astute, critical and like their work and match their tastes as closely as possible? c From opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Mar 17 11:40:42 2006 From: opus40-01 at opus40.org (opus40-01 at opus40.org) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:40:42 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] speaking of bad readings, Allen Tate Message-ID: <20060317164042.7331B2EC003@smapp01.siteprotect.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opus40-01 at opus40.org Fri Mar 17 11:44:55 2006 From: opus40-01 at opus40.org (opus40-01 at opus40.org) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:44:55 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot Message-ID: <20060317164455.3BD1213CEA@smapp03.siteprotect.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 20:04:42 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:04:42 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <20060317164455.3BD1213CEA@smapp03.siteprotect.com> References: <20060317164455.3BD1213CEA@smapp03.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603171704n62f32d33w3d06d284916f6521@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/06, opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: > > > Chris -- that's certainly what I want. > > But yeah, that was my point. Not that Paglia is good, but that attentive, > astute, and critical readers who are non-professional-pobizzers are good. If > one does not include Paglia in that company, then one can certainly say she > is no good because not attentive, astute, and critical -- not that she's no > good because not a literary critic. I think Paglia's pretty astute and certainly attentive. And she cares enough about poetry to have been writing about it for a long time, before she hit the mainstream. She definitely sings only one-note... but then so do a lot of poets. Within her limited range she makes some interesting observations. The point is, she cares and writes about poetry and that ain't small potatoes, considering how few non-poets care at all about poetry. c From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 17 20:23:20 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:23:20 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot References: <20060317164455.3BD1213CEA@smapp03.siteprotect.com> <9b1b9dab0603171704n62f32d33w3d06d284916f6521@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001301c64a2a$8b5da5d0$49ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Who is Paglia? Not that I am not aware, but for what right does she has have any significance in her pronouncements? She doesn't have any creative ability at all, as far as I know, is it because she's some kind of pitch-player in sub-academia or something like that? I don't know, but I think I'm with Paul on all this. I care about poetry too , and I don't do it for money, why is Paglia's caring somehow valorised? Best Dave From clitophon at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 20:34:02 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:34:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <001301c64a2a$8b5da5d0$49ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <20060318013403.23608.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from reading her work, I didn?t think it was really very good academia, creative writing, criticism, punditry or anything. It just fell between two many stools, tried to please too many people at once. It just seemed to me to be everything that is bad in a) writing b) the world Paglia anticipates Andy Warhol?s dictum that everyone has fame for 15 minutes by having that 15 minutes just before she even puts a word down on paper. The whole thing seems a set up: instant celebrity, add water, mix and allow to settle: --- David Bircumshaw wrote: > Who is Paglia? > > Not that I am not aware, but for what right does she > has have any > significance in her pronouncements? She doesn't have > any creative ability at > all, as far as I know, is it because she's some kind > of pitch-player in > sub-academia or something like that? > > I don't know, but I think I'm with Paul on all this. > > I care about poetry too , and I don't do it for > money, why is Paglia's > caring somehow valorised? > > Best > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 18 03:12:20 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:12:20 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] From today's Writer's Almanac Message-ID: <002e01c64a63$ae6489c0$08df3652@ANNY> Poem: "Calgary 2 A.M." by Christopher Wiseman from In John Updike's Room ? the Porqupine's Quill. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) Calgary 2 A.M. In spite of the fact that it's twenty below and winter has gone on for five long months, in spite of being starved, starved almost to death for greenness and warmth, flowers and birds, in spite of the deadness of endless classrooms, shopping centres, television shows, in spite of the pains in the gut, the migraines, the wakings, the palpitations, in spite of a guilty knowledge of laziness, of failure to meet some obligations, in spite of all these things, and more, I have to report that the moon tonight is filling the house with a wild blueness, my children grow, excel, are healthy, my wife is gentle, there are friends, and once in a while a poem will come. In spite of the fact that it's twenty below, tonight I smile. Summer bursts inside me. http://mail.publicradio.org/site/R?i=F-q19b0DXi4-UXgXpoo71Q.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Mar 18 13:45:58 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:45:58 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Calvino & the Child & the Crucifix Message-ID: <006501c64abc$32e7d8c0$e5af3252@ANNY> Today at the newsagent's I asked if they had any extra copies of those books they had sold cheap with a promotional campaign together with a newspaper. The books I am speaking of are _I Merdiani_ wonderful collections the price of which is around 50 euros, only 12.90 if -at the time- you bought the paper. They did, and I picked up by Calvino : Italian Tales (or fairy tales). Il Bambino che diede da mangiare al Crocefisso The Child who fed the Crucifix - almost moved me. It is the story of a poor farmer who one day found an infant in his orchard. "Poor soul, who abandoned you here?" and he brought him inside and treated him as his son. Since that day things started flourishing for the poor farmer. One day he had to go to town and brought with him the child who had never seen an image of God or a church. As soon as they were in town the farmer told the child to wait for him in the church. The child saw the beautiful embroidery, the golden thread, the paintings, and finally saw the crucifix. "Poor, poor man, you did something wrong and that is why they put you on the cross" and the Christ nodded; "Poor man, that is why you have to stay here now and forever", and the Christ nodded again. The sacristan had to close the church but he noticed this child speaking to the crucifix and the Christ nodding back, so he ran to the priest who understood that a saint was there, he thus told the sacristan to bring him some maccheroni (pasta) and a glass of red wine. Which is what the sacristan did. The child climbed up onto the altar and fed the Christ who ate, and finally let him drink the wine and the Christ drank it. At this point the child embraced the cross and died, he went to Paradise to sing his praise to God. The sacristan who was not satisfied was hidden behind the curtains and saw the spirit of the child fly to Heaven. He ran to the priest again who ordered a golden coffin and that is where the poor farmer found his child when he came back to pick him up. "God gave him to me and God took him back" exclaimed the farmer. As soon as he got home, everything what he did turned into gold but the money he made he gave it to the poor, and when he died he went to paradise. Calvino says that there is a similar version in this region where I live, but it is closer to one of the Children's Legends by the Grimm Brothers. This version is from Sicily, Catania, which makes it special for its popular anticonformistic religiosity portrayed in the solidarity of the child with a Christ betrayed by men. Dedicated to the Fathers and to those who are not Fathers, someone told me it is Father's Day in Italy tomorrow. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 13:35:29 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:35:29 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <001301c64a2a$8b5da5d0$49ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <20060317164455.3BD1213CEA@smapp03.siteprotect.com> <9b1b9dab0603171704n62f32d33w3d06d284916f6521@mail.gmail.com> <001301c64a2a$8b5da5d0$49ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603191035t36606c73lea6b745bf585b9db@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > I care about poetry too , and I don't do it for money, why is Paglia's > caring somehow valorised? Because she's out there writing about it. and if I come across your writing about poetry somewhere then I'll laud it as well. I would rather have a hundred people I don't agree with writing about poetry than what we currently have: which is essentially nothing but in-group bullshit. That strokes some people here. Not me. c From clitophon at yahoo.com Sun Mar 19 13:44:50 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:44:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0603191035t36606c73lea6b745bf585b9db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060319184450.86022.qmail@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> don?t you think the word ?laud? is a bit archaic? --- Chris Lott wrote: > On 3/17/06, David Bircumshaw > wrote: > > I care about poetry too , and I don't do it for > money, why is Paglia's > > caring somehow valorised? > > Because she's out there writing about it. and if I > come across your > writing about poetry somewhere then I'll laud it as > well. I would > rather have a hundred people I don't agree with > writing about poetry > than what we currently have: which is essentially > nothing but in-group > bullshit. That strokes some people here. Not me. > > c > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Mar 19 13:47:05 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:47:05 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Critics In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0603191035t36606c73lea6b745bf585b9db@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060317164455.3BD1213CEA@smapp03.siteprotect.com> <9b1b9dab0603171704n62f32d33w3d06d284916f6521@mail.gmail.com> <001301c64a2a$8b5da5d0$49ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <9b1b9dab0603191035t36606c73lea6b745bf585b9db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F2861F-5D63-4DEC-9C48-A551A5DD88D0@ripon.edu> On Mar 19, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > what we currently have: which is essentially nothing but in-group > bullshit. It's futile to take exception to such broad-brush strokes, I suppose, but I have to say that I have read with profit and pleasure a great many contemporary poetry critics that don't seem to fit this characterization. Some names on my current critical shelf are Robert Hass, Marianne Boruch, William Matthews, Annie Finch, Carol Muske Dukes, David Lehman, Carl Dennis, Donald Hall, Hayden Carruth, Jane Hirshfield, and even old Dana Gioia. It's true that these are poet-critics rather than academic specialists, for the most part, and that's been one of my strong biases. "Theoretical" criticism today does strike me as mainly crapola. But Helen Vendler isn't the only non-poet out there who writes interesting stuff about poetry, in my view. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 13:47:06 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:47:06 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <20060318013403.23608.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001301c64a2a$8b5da5d0$49ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <20060318013403.23608.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603191047h5cb22d9chc7038e60eb588d38@mail.gmail.com> On 3/17/06, Paul Murphy wrote: > from reading her work, I didn?t think it was really > very good academia, creative writing, criticism, > punditry or anything. \ No, it isn't. It's a READER responding to POETRY. So she's wrong sometimes. Gloriously and crazily misguided. So what? The last book of hers I saw was a book that took maybe 15 poets from Donne to Langston Hughes, shared *3* each of the author, and provided commentary that ranged from obvious to elegant to bizarrely weird and wrong-headed. In my opinion, that's a damn good thing. Do you think her agent was anxious for her to publish a critical anthology instead of something about Shrub and Iraq? She's a reader who cares about poetry enough to put it out there and-- I'd be willing to bet-- has drawn more new readers to some poetry that deserves attention than probably anyone here. No, she's not writing for academia (thank god, I'm sure her Yale PhD diss would be enough if you want it), she isn't a creative writer-- but to say that all the commentary in her last book isn't good criticism (without reading it, I might add) is just a knee-jerk reaction. Maybe because she's gotten all the recognition that NewPoetry's mostly passive aggressive crowd secretly craves, or maybe because she's audacious. Who cares if she's grand-standingly wrong anyway? Why is that so scary to you po-biz folks? I think we could use 100,000 more Paglias, particularly if that meant 100,000 less in Oprah's book club touting the same old, same old in the same old ways. c From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 13:48:16 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:48:16 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <20060319184450.86022.qmail@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9b1b9dab0603191035t36606c73lea6b745bf585b9db@mail.gmail.com> <20060319184450.86022.qmail@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603191048t40795101rfc397b9e8d125656@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/06, Paul Murphy wrote: > don?t you think the word ?laud? is a bit archaic? No. Don't you think your asking is kind of making you look like an ass? c From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 13:50:43 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:50:43 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Critics In-Reply-To: <47F2861F-5D63-4DEC-9C48-A551A5DD88D0@ripon.edu> References: <20060317164455.3BD1213CEA@smapp03.siteprotect.com> <9b1b9dab0603171704n62f32d33w3d06d284916f6521@mail.gmail.com> <001301c64a2a$8b5da5d0$49ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <9b1b9dab0603191035t36606c73lea6b745bf585b9db@mail.gmail.com> <47F2861F-5D63-4DEC-9C48-A551A5DD88D0@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603191050g514d1680m352ee0979b3bc6ed@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/06, David Graham wrote: > It's futile to take exception to such broad-brush strokes I'm talking about readers of poetry who are not poets themselves and thus essentially writing from inside. Note how EVERY single example you list is a poet as well. Not that I don't think poets should write about poetry! Far from it. But I do think that we could use more caring READERS of poetry who are not themselves residents of poetry land. You know, that mythical person who cares about poetry but doesn't write it... the one talked about all the time, but so rarely seen? I enjoy Vendler, but rather than being just a reader, she is also a theorist. Which is interesting in its own way, but not quite the same thing is it? c From clitophon at yahoo.com Sun Mar 19 13:59:09 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:59:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0603191048t40795101rfc397b9e8d125656@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060319185909.82416.qmail@web36509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> your diction sounds as if it comes out of the King James Bible, no wonder you like Paglia. Come on, admit to it, you really liked the 30 Years War and the English Civil War Period. If only we could go back to that witch-burning era, full of superstition, ignorance and fearful respect for the aristocracy, when everyone knew their place. Your a throw back. And so is Paglia - to an era we never needed. Go take your atavism and eat it with salted fish, then throw it into the sea where it can fall into the mud and slime and be gone forever. --- Chris Lott wrote: > On 3/19/06, Paul Murphy wrote: > > don?t you think the word ?laud? is a bit archaic? > > No. Don't you think your asking is kind of making > you look like an ass? > > c > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Mar 19 14:02:38 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:02:38 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Critics In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0603191050g514d1680m352ee0979b3bc6ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060317164455.3BD1213CEA@smapp03.siteprotect.com> <9b1b9dab0603171704n62f32d33w3d06d284916f6521@mail.gmail.com> <001301c64a2a$8b5da5d0$49ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <9b1b9dab0603191035t36606c73lea6b745bf585b9db@mail.gmail.com> <47F2861F-5D63-4DEC-9C48-A551A5DD88D0@ripon.edu> <9b1b9dab0603191050g514d1680m352ee0979b3bc6ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I do tend to gravitate toward poet-critics, as noted. So I'm not up on reader-critics, I guess, but I do think there are some. The much maligned Garrison Keillor is one. Then there are folks like William Pritchard, whose book on Frost is one of the better things on the subject. Names escape me, but *The Christian Science Monitor* has a coupld names who review poetry from a readerly perspective. Etc. Not critics, but readers who are incredibly important promoters of poetry, of course, are the folks who do Poetry Daily. They pretty regularly feature poetry journalism of a non-academic, non-theoretic type, some of which seems to be written by non-poets. Well, we obviously agree more than we differ, so I'm going to go walk my dog for a while. On Mar 19, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On 3/19/06, David Graham wrote: >> It's futile to take exception to such broad-brush strokes > > I'm talking about readers of poetry who are not poets themselves and > thus essentially writing from inside. Note how EVERY single example > you list is a poet as well. Not that I don't think poets should write > about poetry! Far from it. But I do think that we could use more > caring READERS of poetry who are not themselves residents of poetry > land. You know, that mythical person who cares about poetry but > doesn't write it... the one talked about all the time, but so rarely > seen? > > I enjoy Vendler, but rather than being just a reader, she is also a > theorist. Which is interesting in its own way, but not quite the same > thing is it? > > c > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 14:12:32 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:12:32 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Critics In-Reply-To: <47F2861F-5D63-4DEC-9C48-A551A5DD88D0@ripon.edu> References: <20060317164455.3BD1213CEA@smapp03.siteprotect.com> <9b1b9dab0603171704n62f32d33w3d06d284916f6521@mail.gmail.com> <001301c64a2a$8b5da5d0$49ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <9b1b9dab0603191035t36606c73lea6b745bf585b9db@mail.gmail.com> <47F2861F-5D63-4DEC-9C48-A551A5DD88D0@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603191112t7f2523afwc9f6bdfc3dfcfddd@mail.gmail.com> I think there's something positive about readers who are not writers responding to poetry in their own fashion. A lot of people come to writing through conversations about writing by people who are not themselves writers. From water-cooler conversation to part-time book reviewers, readers discover words through other readers talking about what they like (and don't like). There is remarkably little of that in the world of poetry. I don't care if Paglia is right or wrong, I think she's a rare example of a reader, with no apparent desire to write poetry, responding honestly and visibly to the form. I think we could use a lot more of that. Poets, in particular, might relish other poets telling them about poetry, but their writing often presumes that their audience consists of other writers or a broad understanding of a certain kind of poetry or school. Vendler is perhaps the best example of a non-poet writing interesting, illuminative criticism, but she's not particularly accessible... and in a very subtle way, because poetry is one of her primary concerns and she has spent a life immersed in it. I welcome the Paglias of the world because they fill a role that poetry needs and has very few to fill. Readers talking to other readers. Not poets talking about their field. Not specialists talking theory. The more of that the better. Amazingly, while it seems to have happened for every other genre in the blogging world,. poetry has remained largely insular. I welcome Paglia with some of the same feelings as I welcome the anthologies by Keillor and Collins-- not because of their critical erudition, which is clearly debatable-- but because of their concern for bringing new readers to poetry and getting the word out there from a perspective that other non-specialist readers can understand. Not good enough for a list of poets, critics, and self-anointed literary water-carriers? Probably not. But needed? Absolutely. c From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 14:15:33 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:15:33 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Critics In-Reply-To: References: <20060317164455.3BD1213CEA@smapp03.siteprotect.com> <9b1b9dab0603171704n62f32d33w3d06d284916f6521@mail.gmail.com> <001301c64a2a$8b5da5d0$49ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <9b1b9dab0603191035t36606c73lea6b745bf585b9db@mail.gmail.com> <47F2861F-5D63-4DEC-9C48-A551A5DD88D0@ripon.edu> <9b1b9dab0603191050g514d1680m352ee0979b3bc6ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603191115wf31e257ibf4a88b038ce57c0@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/06, David Graham wrote: > I do tend to gravitate toward poet-critics, as noted. So I'm not up on > reader-critics, I guess, but I do think there are some. There are. And they should not only not be maligned for not being critical theorists, they should be welcomed precisely for their sometimes unsophisticated readings and-- more importantly-- their enthusiasm. Just as the world of autos need more than just dealers-- they need enthusiasts and hobbyists and consumers. It's part of a healthy ecosystem. Lack of that ecosystem has lead to some of the more egregious "poetry" out there. c From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 14:22:42 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:22:42 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <20060319185909.82416.qmail@web36509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9b1b9dab0603191048t40795101rfc397b9e8d125656@mail.gmail.com> <20060319185909.82416.qmail@web36509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603191122h2326166y2d087e29a2354da2@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/06, Paul Murphy wrote: > your diction sounds as if it comes out of the King > James Bible, no wonder you like Paglia. Come on, > admit to it, you really liked the 30 Years War and the > English Civil War Period. If only we could go back to > that witch-burning era, full of superstition, > ignorance and fearful respect for the aristocracy, > when everyone knew their place. Your a throw back. > And so is Paglia - to an era we never needed. Go take > your atavism and eat it with salted fish, then throw > it into the sea where it can fall into the mud and > slime and be gone forever. The irony is that you are so precisely and completely backwards in characteriziing what I'd like to see. Aristocracy? Sure, that's why I argue that I'd like more from readers and less from the real aristocracy here, the poets-on-poets. Why I'd like more respect FOR the role of the non-writing reader. Maybe you are too busy eating your cake to read. Anyway, back to my question and your non-answer. I *think* you're (note that I've learned to use contractions-- I guess I can call you on that if you want to parallel my diction with the KJV) saying that you don't *think* you're (hey look, I did it again!) coming across an ass? If that's the case, I can give you one person's opinion... c From JforJames at aol.com Sun Mar 19 15:31:12 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:31:12 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot Message-ID: <293.7a12801.314f1990@aol.com> In a message dated 3/19/2006 1:47:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, chris.lott at gmail.com writes: The last book of hers I saw was a book that took maybe 15 poets from Donne to Langston Hughes, shared *3* each of the author, and provided commentary that ranged from obvious to elegant to bizarrely weird and wrong-headed. In my opinion, that's a damn good thing A benefit of a book like her last (Break, Blow, Burn) was that it pushed poetry into the realm of intellectual interest (not abstruse criticism or insider critical trafficking that passes for criticism). Because she's a somewhat controversial figure, I'm sure the book was pawed over by a few hands that hadn't touched a book of poems in many years. David Graham mentioned Gioia and I think this is the kind of book he was calling for in "Can Poetry Matter?"...books that make their presence known outside the margins of intellectual life and enter the currents of topical conversation. Paglia obviously isn't publicity shy, is she.... _http://www.randomhouse.com/pantheon/paglia/_ (http://www.randomhouse.com/pantheon/paglia/) Talk about the cult of personality, get a look at this webpage. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sun Mar 19 16:18:08 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:18:08 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Critics Message-ID: <293.7a161ac.314f2490@aol.com> In a message dated 3/19/2006 1:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, chris.lott at gmail.com writes: I enjoy Vendler, but rather than being just a reader, she is also a theorist. Which is interesting in its own way, but not quite the same thing is it? I want to quibble with this. Vendler as a critic is more a philologist than a theorist. As all arts and humanities have gravitated to science and specialization, the philologist was a casualty of that movement, to the point of being professionally descredited. One had to have an 'axis-to-grind', so to speak. Vendler, by wit and literary ablility, has managed to stay viable in the airless rooms of the new academy. Perhaps she loves poetry too much to be a theorist...especially the kind of literary theorist for whom the poetry is 'mere vehicle' for social critique or political purpose. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Mar 19 18:23:21 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:23:21 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] poetry and insurance Message-ID: <002801c64bac$1d569730$6a8d3052@ANNY> I just found this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/3CXWAW5RNFG1M/ref=2/002-3737758-0377660 Franz Kafka and Thomas Mann were of the company, ... now I remember... Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Over 2,000 books were in last year's exhibit, representing close to 600 publishers ? commercial, university, independent, small, and micro-presses. If you haven't yet submitted your titles it's not too late. Please read below to see how: The 2006 Showcase will include all poetry and poetry-related titles (volumes by individual authors, anthologies, chapbooks, biographies, critical studies, essay collections, CD's, videos, audiotapes, etc.) published during or since January 2005. Why participate? Books are organized by publisher and displayed face-forward, offering free publicity not only for your latest titles but for your press as well. Exposure to national prize and library acquisition committees. Free listings in our online Directory of American Poetry Books, the country's most complete bibliographic resource for contemporary poetry books. All titles preserved after the Showcase in the 45,000-volume (and growing) poetry archive at Poets House. 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URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 21:36:30 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:36:30 -0500 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[New-Poetry]_Checklist_of_the_Major_Poet=97?= In-Reply-To: <196.528cba6a.314f6722@aol.com> References: <196.528cba6a.314f6722@aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0603191836g26ea5fc5r3fec30b479b46da3@mail.gmail.com> Don't forget: ___ Rail against the homogeny in MFA programs. ___ Teach in an MFA program. ___ Proclaim that you aren't part of a "School" of poetry. ___ Dismiss other "Schools of Poetry" in your critical writing. Okay--I'll admit. These are bit mean spirited. They're meant in fun. Jeff Newberry On 3/19/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > Checklist of the Major Poet? > > > > __ Publish a collection of poems every other year for several decades. > > > > __ Publish a Selected Poems and then a New Selected Poems. > > > > __ Write a book of critical essays. > > > > __ Translate a poet from the Romance Languages. > > > > __ Hold a Chair or Poet-in-Residence at a well-known college or > university. > > > > __ Get the cover of American Poetry Review before you are 30 and after > > you are 60. > > > > __ Be featured in an article in a mainstream magazine: New Yorker, Time, > Harpers, etc. > > > > __ Win a Pulitzer Prize and several other national literary awards. > > > > __ Publish a book in one other genre: novel, short stories, memoir, travel > essays, etc. > > > __ Write a long poem that has footnotes. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That is much more accurate! c From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 21:51:18 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:51:18 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Paglia, Pound, Eliot In-Reply-To: <293.7a12801.314f1990@aol.com> References: <293.7a12801.314f1990@aol.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603191851o2dd66cdbta1a71e5690c29da4@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > A benefit of a book like her last (Break, Blow, Burn) was that it pushed > poetry > into the realm of intellectual interest (not abstruse criticism or insider > critical > trafficking that passes for criticism). Because she's a somewhat > controversial > figure, I'm sure the book was pawed over by a few hands that hadn't touched > a book of poems in many years. That's exactly the value I see in Paglia. And if one doesn't agree with her, that's not only OK, but probably for the best. At least an argument in that frame is one that poetry readers and *potential* readers are likely to understand. c From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 21:53:27 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:53:27 -0900 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[New-Poetry]_Checklist_of_the_Major_Poet=97?= In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0603191836g26ea5fc5r3fec30b479b46da3@mail.gmail.com> References: <196.528cba6a.314f6722@aol.com> <731bb17a0603191836g26ea5fc5r3fec30b479b46da3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603191853u19aa0ce5p865dc12114d97081@mail.gmail.com> It's best if you translate that book from a Romance Language that you don't really speak. c From chris.lott at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 21:55:29 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:55:29 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] poetry and insurance In-Reply-To: <002801c64bac$1d569730$6a8d3052@ANNY> References: <002801c64bac$1d569730$6a8d3052@ANNY> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603191855r1a185183g9b6fa77eb9a7eedd@mail.gmail.com> On 3/19/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > I just found this: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/3CXWAW5RNFG1M/ref=2/002-3737758-0377660 > > Franz Kafka and Thomas Mann were of the company, ... now I remember... And Larkin. And Wallace Stevens? c From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 20 01:10:30 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:10:30 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BNew-Poetry=5D_Checklist_of_the_Major_Poet-?= References: <196.528cba6a.314f6722@aol.com><731bb17a0603191836g26ea5fc5r3fec30b479b46da3@mail.gmail.com> <9b1b9dab0603191853u19aa0ce5p865dc12114d97081@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003201c64be4$fdea3850$58a93452@ANNY> :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Lott" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Checklist of the Major Poet- > It's best if you translate that book from a Romance Language that you > don't really speak. > > c > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 07:01:00 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:01:00 -0700 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[New-Poetry]_Checklist_of_the_Major_Poet=97?= In-Reply-To: <196.528cba6a.314f6722@aol.com> References: <196.528cba6a.314f6722@aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60603200401j1c794063u9b0efa2c797e25f1@mail.gmail.com> Dang. Failed on all but the last but I lost the footnotes. Instead, I wrote a country-western song titled "The Footnotes in My Mind are Yours." - Jim On 3/19/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > > > Checklist of the Major Poet? > > > > __ Publish a collection of poems every other year for several decades. > > > > __ Publish a Selected Poems and then a New Selected Poems. > > > > __ Write a book of critical essays. > > > > __ Translate a poet from the Romance Languages. > > > > __ Hold a Chair or Poet-in-Residence at a well-known college or university. > > > > __ Get the cover of American Poetry Review before you are 30 and after > > you are 60. > > > > __ Be featured in an article in a mainstream magazine: New Yorker, Time, > Harpers, etc. > > > > __ Win a Pulitzer Prize and several other national literary awards. > > > > __ Publish a book in one other genre: novel, short stories, memoir, travel > essays, etc. > > __ Write a long poem that has footnotes. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 20 07:07:16 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:07:16 +0100 Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_=5BNew-Poetry=5D_Checklist_of_the_Major_Poet=97?= References: <196.528cba6a.314f6722@aol.com> <648208b60603200401j1c794063u9b0efa2c797e25f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008101c64c16$d4e29b50$38aa3852@ANNY> Don't worry James, that could do with me, I even find it original ___ From: "James Cervantes" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:01 PM > Dang. Failed on all but the last but I lost the footnotes. Instead, > I wrote a country-western song titled "The Footnotes in My Mind are > Yours." > > - Jim > > On 3/19/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >> Checklist of the Major Poet? >> >> >> >> __ Publish a collection of poems every other year for several decades. >> >> >> >> __ Publish a Selected Poems and then a New Selected Poems. >> >> >> >> __ Write a book of critical essays. >> >> >> >> __ Translate a poet from the Romance Languages. >> >> >> >> __ Hold a Chair or Poet-in-Residence at a well-known college or >> university. >> >> >> >> __ Get the cover of American Poetry Review before you are 30 and after >> >> you are 60. >> >> >> >> __ Be featured in an article in a mainstream magazine: New Yorker, Time, >> Harpers, etc. >> >> >> >> __ Win a Pulitzer Prize and several other national literary awards. >> >> >> >> __ Publish a book in one other genre: novel, short stories, memoir, >> travel >> essays, etc. >> >> __ Write a long poem that has footnotes. >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 20 07:14:07 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:14:07 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_=5BNew-Poetry=5D_Checklist_of_th?= =?UTF-8?Q?e_Major_Poet=E2=80=94?= References: <196.528cba6a.314f6722@aol.com> Message-ID: <009901c64c17$c9f40890$38aa3852@ANNY> Checklist of a Major Italian Poet ___be a beauty ___be a beauty and know how to show off ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and priests personally ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and priests personally and have a lot of money ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and priests personally and have a lot of money and not be interested in poetry ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and priests personally and have a lot of money and not be interested in poetry or in any other _stuff_ written in books it's a hard job. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:02 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Checklist of the Major Poet? Checklist of the Major Poet? __ Publish a collection of poems every other year for several decades. __ Publish a Selected Poems and then a New Selected Poems. __ Write a book of critical essays. __ Translate a poet from the Romance Languages. __ Hold a Chair or Poet-in-Residence at a well-known college or university. __ Get the cover of American Poetry Review before you are 30 and after you are 60. __ Be featured in an article in a mainstream magazine: New Yorker, Time, Harpers, etc. __ Win a Pulitzer Prize and several other national literary awards. __ Publish a book in one other genre: novel, short stories, memoir, travel essays, etc. __ Write a long poem that has footnotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsillima at yahoo.com Mon Mar 20 08:11:36 2006 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:11:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060320131136.53769.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Erica Carpenter ??? Perspective Would Have Us Jim Behrle on VH1 Some things to read in the new Brooklyn Rail (Kenny Goldsmith, Charles Bernstein, Ann Lauterbach, Amy King) What is exotic? The Barbara Jane Reyes comments stream Epigrammatitus ??? Kent Johnson at war with poetry and desperately in love Banned in Viet Nam ??? the poetry of Phan Nhien Hao Brecht on the New Sentence Mario Savio on Battlestar Galacatica, Barbara Guest as a language poet in the LA Times and a test of translation of Tom Meyer At War with the U.S. - the view from Canada by George Bowering Who really won Project Runway Narrative markers in ???reality TV??? Ear! Ear! Chris McCreary Dismembers Poeta en San Francisco Barbara Jane Reyes in English, Spanish, Tagalog Walkin??? to New Orleans The New York Times condescends to do an obit of Barbara Guest Joel Lewis on Ted Berrigan from the Poetry Project Newsletter Seido Ray Ronci Zen as solid practice An Oulipo Compendium, right down to the meeting minutes The project of Kenny Goldsmith is Kenny Goldsmith http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From clitophon at yahoo.com Mon Mar 20 11:09:33 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:09:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Tales of the Expected In-Reply-To: <20060320131136.53769.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060320160933.17946.qmail@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tales of the Expected Chapter 1 - Professor Bag Clouds flitted about the sky on their interminable journeys as yet another day at St Mortimer?s College, began. "Curtis! Why do you wear women?s tights and knickers to class everyday? And you, Stimpkinson, why are you wearing a skirt and bra?" roared Professor Bag. Curtis squirmed with embarrassment. Stimpkinson (a farmer?s son from Cornwall with a pronounced stammer and a whopping great turnip for a head, green as clover and fresh from a good nigging* the night before) vomited gingerly into the little polythene sick bag he kept under his chair. "Silence! That?s enough! That?s not the behaviour St Mortimer?s requires! Curtis and Stimpkinson, please go to the toilets. I prefer to talk today about Charles Darwin and his Voyage in the Beagle to the Galapagos Islands." One day I bumped into Professor Bag in Turnstile Lane. He was carrying a gargantuan flowering cactus under his arm. A little trail of blood peppered the gravel, blood that poured from Professor Bag?s arm. "Bernard," he said as he fixed me with his gimlet eye, "Bernard, the rest of the boys, you know, they?re a pack of no hopers, but you .you have real academic promise. I hope that someday, that someday, you too will teach at St Mortimer?s and that you will maintain its fine academic tradition." Professor Bag stammered. I noticed the regulation cuts on his chin administered by his old-fashioned, Victorian strop razer. I squirmed with embarrassment and hoped he?d let me go, but he squeezed his fingers tightly against my shoulder until I felt real pain. "Bernard, you know that person, that person you automatically feel deep sympathy or empathy, pity even, that person who never wears the regulation college shirt and tie. That person who?s persistently late for classes, who never has paper or pens. Well Bernard, your not one of those people. I want you to .hold on, there?s Squimdgeon, the college caretaker .I?ll tell you more later." Professor Bag wound on his way through Turnpike Lane. As he walked through the archway to the College, to take the short cut across the rugby pitch, the flowering cactus fell from his hand. In time it began to flower beside the pitch, making it an infernal place to fall after a try. * immersion in talcum powder End of part one. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rog3r.day at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 11:19:19 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:19:19 +0000 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[New-Poetry]_Checklist_of_the_Major_Poet=97?= In-Reply-To: <009901c64c17$c9f40890$38aa3852@ANNY> References: <196.528cba6a.314f6722@aol.com> <009901c64c17$c9f40890$38aa3852@ANNY> Message-ID: "it's a dirty job but someone's got to do it." On 3/20/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > Checklist of a Major Italian Poet > > > ___be a beauty > ___be a beauty and know how to show off > ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and > priests personally > ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and > priests personally and have a lot of money > ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and > priests personally and have a lot of money and not be interested in poetry > ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and > priests personally and have a lot of money and not be interested in poetry > or in any other _stuff_ written in books > > it's a hard job. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JforJames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:02 AM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Checklist of the Major Poet? > > > > > Checklist of the Major Poet? > > > > __ Publish a collection of poems every other year for several decades. > > > > __ Publish a Selected Poems and then a New Selected Poems. > > > > __ Write a book of critical essays. > > > > __ Translate a poet from the Romance Languages. > > > > __ Hold a Chair or Poet-in-Residence at a well-known college or university. > > > > __ Get the cover of American Poetry Review before you are 30 and after > > you are 60. > > > > __ Be featured in an article in a mainstream magazine: New Yorker, Time, > Harpers, etc. > > > > __ Win a Pulitzer Prize and several other national literary awards. > > > > __ Publish a book in one other genre: novel, short stories, memoir, travel > essays, etc. > > __ Write a long poem that has footnotes. > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Mar 20 11:57:01 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:57:01 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Christopher Edgar, "Possible Gothams" Message-ID: <89FF3FB9-0B8D-47A0-87F9-E2A73F5E609B@earthlink.net> Possible Gothams Though the building never ends All we heard predicted has not occurred Dreams of a Second Avenue subway linger on As does the shadow of the Third Avenue el Like a new Madison Square Garden each year We recreate ourselves ten blocks further Uptown, pausing only to see beautiful women Walk pumas in the Ramble Thinking of lunch, Luchow's or Lindy's, it all seems Unfinished, as if there were no blueprint, and never was More than one McKim, Mead, and White There's a certain beauty to scaffolding and dust And vertical games of musical chairs Better to wake to the sound of a jackhammer Than live in some toy town, some "Little Vienna" And if someday it all becomes too much We'll walk to New Jersey, over the landfills Or hop an air taxi downtown. --Christopher Edgar fr. At Port Royal [New York: Adventures in Poetry, 2003] Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Mon Mar 20 12:43:24 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:43:24 EST Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20[New-Poetry]=20Checklist=20of=20th=20e=20Major=20?= =?UTF-8?Q?Poet=E2=80=94?= Message-ID: <24e.86c18cc.315043bc@aol.com> Anny, you must have someone particular in mind. I'm not the kind to be easily turned by a pretty face, but please send pictures/link of this major bardic babe. Finnegan In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:14:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, anny.ballardini at tin.it writes: Checklist of a Major Italian Poet ___be a beauty ___be a beauty and know how to show off ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and priests personally ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and priests personally and have a lot of money ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and priests personally and have a lot of money and not be interested in poetry ___be a beauty and know how to show off and know the key politicians and priests personally and have a lot of money and not be interested in poetry or in any other _stuff_ written in books it's a hard job. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Surely it is not poems such as this one, featured on Writer's Almanac today: Trees I am looking at trees they may be one of the things I will miss most from the earth though many of the ones I have seen already I cannot remember and though I seldom embrace the ones I see and have never been able to speak with one I listen to them tenderly their names have never touched them they have stood round my sleep and when it was forbidden to climb them they have carried me in their branches ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Only the one whose name I knew as in my other life I did her injury: Venus, star of the early evening, to you I dedicate my vision, since on this blank surface you have cast enough light to make my thought visible again. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Mon Mar 20 12:58:46 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:58:46 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] poetry and insurance Message-ID: <2a6.ba7a2.31504756@aol.com> In a message dated 3/19/2006 9:55:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, chris.lott at gmail.com writes: Franz Kafka and Thomas Mann were of the company, ... now I remember... And Larkin. And Wallace Stevens? Stevens, yes...but I thought Larkin was the librarian from Hull. But maybe he had an insurance career before that. We must not forget the current Poet Laureate of US, Ted Kooser, who spent many years with Lincoln National (or some other insurance company in the Midwest). Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Mon Mar 20 13:13:42 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:13:42 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Merwin Message-ID: <269.7db8495.31504ad6@aol.com> David, some random reasons... The early Merwin up through 80s; esp. the parable-like poems. Doing a lot without the pestilence of punctuation. He can tick off most of the items of that Checklist except he's avoided university Chairs and long-term Poet-in-Residence appointments. He was really good looking. (Anny was right about that one...definitely can't be omitted in a visual media age.) This poem shows too that Merwin's still ambitious enough to try to write a poem more sentimental than Joyce Kilmer's and thus cut down to size poetry's big Tree poet. This also reminds me of a local poet I know who was writing a somewhat sentimental and anthropomorphic poem to each and every tree imaginable: Sugar Maple, Red Maple, Swamp Pine, Sitka Pine,Ponderosa Pine, Blue Spruce, Ash, Elm, Maple, Paw-Paw, Copper Beech,Red Oak, Pin Oak, White Oak, Blackjack Oak, Poplar, Aspen, ...on & on...even Larch (for Monty Python fans). At one reading, at which he read about the entire forest, by the end I was thinking fondly of Hayden Carruth's "Ode to Chainsaw." Finnegan In a message dated 3/20/2006 12:45:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: Today's idle thought: what is it that makes W. S. Merwin a distinguished poet? Surely it is not poems such as this one, featured on Writer's Almanac today: Trees I am looking at trees they may be one of the things I will miss most from the earth though many of the ones I have seen already I cannot remember and though I seldom embrace the ones I see and have never been able to speak with one I listen to them tenderly their names have never touched them they have stood round my sleep and when it was forbidden to climb them they have carried me in their branches -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Evening Star Tonight, for the first time in many years, there appeared to me again a vision of the earth's splendor: in the evening sky the first star seemed to increase in brilliance as the earth darkened until at last it could grow no darker. And the light, which was the light of death, seemed to restore to earth its power to console. There were no other stars. Only the one whose name I knew as in my other life I did her injury: Venus, star of the early evening, to you I dedicate my vision, since on this blank surface you have cast enough light to make my thought visible again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess I am too charitable... c From JforJames at aol.com Mon Mar 20 13:59:28 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:59:28 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[New-Poetry]=20Gl=20=FC=20ck?= Message-ID: <155.612b47c8.31505590@aol.com> In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, chris.lott at gmail.com writes: > Clearly not a science major...This must be why > Intelligent Design is gaining a foothold among the > masses, even our poets don't seem to care enough > about accuracy to make so much as a nod to the > fact of the planetary status of a common celestial > body or to note the fact that it has no inherent light. I just saw a ship called "Star of the East" -- better get on that non-scientific Captain. Seriously, do you really read this as saying Venus is literally a star? That the light it casts is its own? I guess I am too charitable... c True, I'm being a little hard on her poem, for sure. But a poem like this does seem like some kind of throwback. It's certainly about as naive a meditation on an 'evening star' as I have seen since the Romantics purposefully ignored the Enlightenment. Rilke has a line in Notebook of Malte Laurids Brigge, that goes something like: "He was a poet and he detested the inexact." Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cstroffo at earthlink.net Mon Mar 20 14:31:27 2006 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino ) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:31:27 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Merwin Message-ID: <200603201904.k2KJ4hpM213854@pimout4-ext.prodigy.net> Today's idle thought: what is it that makes W. S. Merwin a distinguished poet? 1) the initials W.S. subliminally remind people of Shakespeare or Stevens 2) the last name reminds people of Merlin, the magician 3) a lot of hippies had "lice" in the late 1960s -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Merwin a distinguished poet? 1) the initials W.S. subliminally remind people of Shakespeare or Stevens 2) the last name reminds people of Merlin, the magician 3) a lot of hippies had "lice" in the late 1960s ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 15:08:41 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:08:41 -0900 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[New-Poetry]_Gl_=FC_ck?= In-Reply-To: <155.612b47c8.31505590@aol.com> References: <155.612b47c8.31505590@aol.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603201208i5b2973d5ge4b38e5db0eee278@mail.gmail.com> On 3/20/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > True, I'm being a little hard on her poem, for sure. But a poem like > this does seem like some kind of throwback. Agreed. Bob G would usually remind us that all of these poets are throwbacks here, but he's in "nice mode" now I guess... > Rilke has a line in Notebook of Malte Laurids Brigge, that goes > something like: "He was a poet and he detested the inexact." That tickles my memory. Loathed the inexact... c From JforJames at aol.com Mon Mar 20 15:24:17 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:24:17 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Star Power Message-ID: <354.2f7c96.31506971@aol.com> Lament O How everything is so far away and so long ago departed. I believe that the star from which I receive such glittering light has been dead for thousands of years. I believe that something frightening was said in the boat which just passed by. In a house, a clock has marked the hour . . . In which house? . . . I would like to leave my heart behind and step out under the immense sky. I would like to pray. That one of all these stars must certainly still exist. I think I know which one has endured,? which one, at the end of its heavenly ray, stands like a city of white light . . . Rainer Maria Rilke translated by Cliff Grego -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 16:38:39 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:38:39 -0700 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[New-Poetry]_Gl_=FC_ck?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60603201338l2ee07d12md4561c15147cbe37@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, that one's in the doldrums. However, I thought "Persephone the Wanderer" was a pleasant meander. - Jim On 3/20/06, David Graham wrote: > Idle thought #2: What is it that makes Louise Gl?ck a major poet? Is it > poems like the following, featured on Poetry Daily today? > > The Evening Star > > Tonight, for the first time in many years, > there appeared to me again > a vision of the earth's splendor: > > in the evening sky > the first star seemed > to increase in brilliance > as the earth darkened > > until at last it could grow no darker. > And the light, which was the light of death, > seemed to restore to earth > > its power to console. There were > no other stars. Only the one > whose name I knew > > as in my other life I did her > injury: Venus, > star of the early evening, > > to you I dedicate > my vision, since on this blank surface > > you have cast enough light > to make my thought > visible again. > > > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Mar 20 16:52:39 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:52:39 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BNew-Poetry=5D_Gl_=FC_ck--Test?= References: <648208b60603201338l2ee07d12md4561c15147cbe37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501c64c69$a266c900$a7b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I've been having trouble posting to New-Poetry, so am posting this just to see if it makes it to its destination. --Bob G. From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 20 17:56:16 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:56:16 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BNew-Poetry=5D_Gl_=FC_ck?= References: <35c.1f1353.31504e35@aol.com> Message-ID: <009601c64c71$7f12c5f0$4fe83652@ANNY> sorry, quoting Dante: O gloriose stelle, o lume pregno di gran virt?, dal quale riconosco tutto, qual che si sia, il mio impegno, con voi nasceva e s'ascondeva vosco quelli ch'? padre d'ogni mortal vita, quand'io sent? di prima l'aere tosco; e poi, quando mi fu grazia largita d'entrar ne l'alta rota che vi gira, la vostra region mi fu sortita. (Paradise, XXII, verses: 112-114) Saint Thomas of Aquinas speaks of the influence of the stars, efficacious only when moved by the angels. Stars indicate in the Medieval metaphysical thought the planets. Moreover, when Venus precedes the Sun in a Natal Chart it is called Lucifer, from Lux. The Angel of Light. Glueck's beauty is probably to be ascribed to a strong influence of Venus in her natal chart. Planet/ influence/ star to which she dedicated a poem. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Gl ? ck Clearly not a science major...This must be why Intelligent Design is gaining a foothold among the masses, even our poets don't seem to care enough about accuracy to make so much as a nod to the fact of the planetary status of a common celestial body or to note the fact that it has no inherent light. This is fun David...keep pitching, but stop with the slow hanging curve balls. I know it's Spring Training, but show me your high-inside heater. Finnegan In a message dated 3/20/2006 12:49:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: Idle thought #2: What is it that makes Louise Gl?ck a major poet? Is it poems like the following, featured on Poetry Daily today? The Evening Star Tonight, for the first time in many years, there appeared to me again a vision of the earth's splendor: in the evening sky the first star seemed to increase in brilliance as the earth darkened until at last it could grow no darker. And the light, which was the light of death, seemed to restore to earth its power to console. There were no other stars. Only the one whose name I knew as in my other life I did her injury: Venus, star of the early evening, to you I dedicate my vision, since on this blank surface you have cast enough light to make my thought visible again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Moreover, when Venus precedes the Sun in a Natal Chart it is called Lucifer, from Lux. The Angel of Light. Glueck's beauty is probably to be ascribed to a strong influence of Venus in her natal chart. Planet/ influence/ star to which she dedicated a poem. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Gl ? ck Clearly not a science major...This must be why Intelligent Design is gaining a foothold among the masses, even our poets don't seem to care enough about accuracy to make so much as a nod to the fact of the planetary status of a common celestial body or to note the fact that it has no inherent light. This is fun David...keep pitching, but stop with the slow hanging curve balls. I know it's Spring Training, but show me your high-inside heater. Finnegan In a message dated 3/20/2006 12:49:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: Idle thought #2: What is it that makes Louise Gl?ck a major poet? Is it poems like the following, featured on Poetry Daily today? The Evening Star Tonight, for the first time in many years, there appeared to me again a vision of the earth's splendor: in the evening sky the first star seemed to increase in brilliance as the earth darkened until at last it could grow no darker. And the light, which was the light of death, seemed to restore to earth its power to console. There were no other stars. Only the one whose name I knew as in my other life I did her injury: Venus, star of the early evening, to you I dedicate my vision, since on this blank surface you have cast enough light to make my thought visible again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hurry, history, hurry, and overtake us, take us under, plough us under with your sword of the inverted tailfin of a strike jet coming in low over the horizon, let those furrows in wide farmland of Mother America sprout statistics that favor a good harvest. We have come home, homeland security, we are welcomed home again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim, that is priceless. :-) Regarding Merwin's bohemian allure: in addition to the good looks, nice bank account, the attractive option to dispense with having to make a living, and that bit about lice, he has also had the good fortune to live in all kinds of exotic places (e.g., Greece, Hawaii) where a lot of readers no doubt wish they lived. Never underestimate the power of geography. This mild snark aside, I have always loved his work, though I am not impressed with that tree poem. I am reading Migration right now. Suzanne On 3/20/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > by the end I was thinking fondly of Hayden Carruth's "Ode to > Chainsaw." > Finnegan > -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They wear the flags > over their faces. And we stuff them > into our mouths. Hurry, history, > hurry, and overtake us, take us > under, plough us under with your sword > of the inverted tailfin of a strike jet > coming in low over the horizon, > let those furrows in wide farmland > of Mother America sprout statistics > that favor a good harvest. We have > come home, homeland security, > we are welcomed home again. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Mar 21 05:50:39 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:50:39 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] In the Third Year of War References: <324.53e693.3150a1d8@aol.com> Message-ID: <002501c64cd5$4b660500$d0d93052@ANNY> why do I think this is a poem? see the following lines: ... Blood and smoke rendered in black ink. Still it rages on in the corners of our eyes in passing screens that flash off ... who refuse to believe that a boy become a body is anything other than a hero. ... ... And we stuff them (the flags) into our mouths. (and from here till the end, see below) ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:24 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] In the Third Year of War In the Third Year of War Now the war is waged in the back pages of newspapers, where the photos aren?t even in color. Blood and smoke rendered in black ink. Still it rages on in the corners of our eyes in passing screens that flash off momentarily from the 24-7 sports channel, its a broken sentence in radio static flipping to a desired station. All music is amnesia of easy listening. And it?s easy to forget this war when their dead outnumber ours. And ours all seem to have families who refuse to believe that a boy become a body is anything other than a hero. They wear the flags over their faces. And we stuff them into our mouths. Hurry, history, hurry, and overtake us, take us under, plough us under with your sword of the inverted tailfin of a strike jet coming in low over the horizon, let those furrows in wide farmland of Mother America sprout statistics that favor a good harvest. 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All music >> is amnesia of easy listening. >> And it???s easy to forget this war >> when their dead outnumber ours. >> And ours all seem to have families >> who refuse to believe that a boy >> become a body is anything other >> than a hero. They wear the flags >> over their faces. And we stuff them >> into our mouths. Hurry, history, >> hurry, and overtake us, take us >> under, plough us under with your sword >> of the inverted tailfin of a strike jet >> coming in low over the horizon, >> let those furrows in wide farmland >> of Mother America sprout statistics >> that favor a good harvest. We have >> come home, homeland security, >> we are welcomed home again. >>> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From clitophon at yahoo.com Tue Mar 21 06:07:12 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:07:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] In the Third Year of War In-Reply-To: <002501c64cd5$4b660500$d0d93052@ANNY> Message-ID: <20060321110712.88588.qmail@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> yes, its all very ?poetic?. --- Anny Ballardini wrote: > why do I think this is a poem? > > see the following lines: > > ... > Blood and smoke rendered in black ink. > Still it rages on in the corners of our eyes > in passing screens that flash off > ... > who refuse to believe that a boy > become a body is anything other > than a hero. > ... > ... And we stuff them (the flags) > into our mouths. (and from here till the end, see > below) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JforJames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:24 AM > Subject: [New-Poetry] In the Third Year of War > > > In the Third Year of War > > > > Now the war is waged > > in the back pages of newspapers, > > where the photos aren???t even in color. > > Blood and smoke rendered in black ink. > > Still it rages on in the corners of our eyes > > in passing screens that flash off > > momentarily from the 24-7 sports channel, > > its a broken sentence in radio static > > flipping to a desired station. All music > > is amnesia of easy listening. > > And it???s easy to forget this war > > when their dead outnumber ours. > > And ours all seem to have families > > who refuse to believe that a boy > > become a body is anything other > > than a hero. They wear the flags > > over their faces. And we stuff them > > into our mouths. Hurry, history, > > hurry, and overtake us, take us > > under, plough us under with your sword > > of the inverted tailfin of a strike jet > > coming in low over the horizon, > > let those furrows in wide farmland > > of Mother America sprout statistics > > that favor a good harvest. We have > > come home, homeland security, > > we are welcomed home again. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Mar 21 07:53:55 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:53:55 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Poetry Daily of some other day Message-ID: <00d601c64ce6$83bba660$d0d93052@ANNY> Voyage I feel as if we opened a book about great ocean voyages and found ourselves on a great ocean voyage: sailing through December, around the horn of Christmas and into the January Sea, and sailing on and on in a novel without a moral but one in which all the characters who died in the middle chapters make the sunsets near the book's end more beautiful. - And someone is spreading a map upon a table, and someone is hanging a lantern from the stern, and someone else says, "I'm only sorry that I forgot my blue parka; It's turning cold." Sunset like a burning wagon train Sunrise like a dish of cantaloupe Clouds like two armies clashing in the sky; Icebergs and tropical storms, That's the kind of thing that happens on our ocean voyage - And in one of the chapters I was blinded by love And in another, anger made us sick like swallowed glass & I lay in my bunk and slept for so long, I forgot about the ocean, Which all the time was going by, right there, outside my cabin window. And the sides of the ship were green as money, and the water made a sound like memory when we sailed. Then it was summer. Under the constellation of the swan, under the constellation of the horse. At night we consoled ourselves By discussing the meaning of homesickness. But there was no home to go home to. There was no getting around the ocean. We had to go on finding out the story by pushing into it - The sea was no longer a metaphor. The book was no longer a book. That was the plot. That was our marvelous punishment. 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And someone is spreading a map upon a table, and someone is hanging a lantern from the stern, and someone else says, "I'm only sorry that I forgot my blue parka; It's turning cold." Sunset like a burning wagon train Sunrise like a dish of cantaloupe Clouds like two armies clashing in the sky; Icebergs and tropical storms, That's the kind of thing that happens on our ocean voyage ? And in one of the chapters I was blinded by love And in another, anger made us sick like swallowed glass & I lay in my bunk and slept for so long, I forgot about the ocean, Which all the time was going by, right there, outside my cabin window. And the sides of the ship were green as money, and the water made a sound like memory when we sailed. Then it was summer. Under the constellation of the swan, under the constellation of the horse. At night we consoled ourselves By discussing the meaning of homesickness. But there was no home to go home to. There was no getting around the ocean. We had to go on finding out the story by pushing into it ? The sea was no longer a metaphor. The book was no longer a book. That was the plot. That was our marvelous punishment. Tony Hoagland Hard Rain - Hollyridge Press Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pmetres at jcu.edu Tue Mar 21 12:52:13 2006 From: pmetres at jcu.edu (Philip Metres) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:52:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] major poetry and merwin and gluck Message-ID: <20060321125213.BPM26096@mirapoint.jcu.edu> This is an overreach, but at times it feels as if Merwin is merely filling out his career, with poems that rehash an exhausted style that at one time (around 1966--with The Lice) was innovative and stunning. I do love The Lice and many other poems of his, but this sense of a poet just solidifying his portfolio. Gluck has reinvented her style in some interesting ways, but I haven't felt anything for the last two collections at all; it's as if she is consciously destroying the aesthetic values that she founded her career on. Again, I love some of her work, but there is that feeling again, of filling out a portfolio. Philip Metres Assistant Professor Department of English John Carroll University 20700 N. Park Blvd University Heights, OH 44118 (216) 397-4528 (work) http://www.philipmetres.com From JforJames at aol.com Tue Mar 21 13:34:45 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:34:45 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Scenes from Homer on 2,500-year-old sarcophagus Message-ID: <310.b0f6ee.3151a145@aol.com> _http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060320182109990008&ncid=NW S00010000000001_ (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060320182109990008&ncid=NWS00010000000001) Scenes From Homer's Epics Decorate Ancient Coffin Sarcophagus Unearthed in Cyprus By GEORGE PSYLLIDES, AP (http://twx.doubleclick.net/click;h=v5|33cb|3|0|*|z;25783669;0-0;0;11655760;2321-160|600;14685461|14703357|1;dclu2=7f3de9672fb9e096|u=E28FBAF06FC07308;dcg= c017db;~sscs=?http://servedby.advertising.com/click/site=0000714110/mnum=00003 23213/genr=1/tkdt=B0P0R1T0/bbv_i=/bbv_ms=/bbv_noc=/bbv_o=/cstr=5253992=_442046 a9,6752412663,714110^323213,1_/bnum=5253992) (http://ar.atwola.com/link/93179288/845425407/aoladp?target=_blank&border=0) NICOSIA, Cyprus (March 20) - A 2,500-year-old sarcophagus with vivid color illustrations from Homer's epics has been discovered in western Cyprus, archaeologists said Monday. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Red wheelbarrows, diverging roads, petals on a wet, black bough . . . - Jim On 3/21/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > _http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060320182109990008&ncid=NW > S00010000000001_ > (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060320182109990008&ncid=NWS00010000000001) > > > Scenes From Homer's Epics Decorate Ancient Coffin > Sarcophagus Unearthed in Cyprus > By GEORGE PSYLLIDES, AP > > (http://twx.doubleclick.net/click;h=v5|33cb|3|0|*|z;25783669;0-0;0;11655760;2321-160|600;14685461|14703357|1;dclu2=7f3de9672fb9e096|u=E28FBAF06FC07308;dcg= > c017db;~sscs=?http://servedby.advertising.com/click/site=0000714110/mnum=00003 > 23213/genr=1/tkdt=B0P0R1T0/bbv_i=/bbv_ms=/bbv_noc=/bbv_o=/cstr=5253992=_442046 > a9,6752412663,714110^323213,1_/bnum=5253992) > (http://ar.atwola.com/link/93179288/845425407/aoladp?target=_blank&border=0) > NICOSIA, Cyprus (March 20) - A 2,500-year-old sarcophagus with vivid color > illustrations from Homer's epics has been discovered in western Cyprus, > archaeologists said Monday. > > From halvard at earthlink.net Tue Mar 21 15:06:28 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:06:28 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] major poetry and merwin and gluck In-Reply-To: <20060321125213.BPM26096@mirapoint.jcu.edu> References: <20060321125213.BPM26096@mirapoint.jcu.edu> Message-ID: <8F8FB0C5-04C4-4AE5-9B66-D9FCF4B3DA58@earthlink.net> You'd think, after all these centuries, writers would know enough not to pester us with less than their best work. I mean, they ought to know well enough to skip the juvenilia, get their three or four best out and about, and then check out. Hal "The highest responsibility of the artist is to hide beauty." --R. H. Blythe Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Philip Metres wrote: > This is an overreach, but at times it feels as if Merwin is > merely filling out his career, with poems that rehash an > exhausted style that at one time (around 1966--with The Lice) > was innovative and stunning. I do love The Lice and many > other poems of his, but this sense of a poet just solidifying > his portfolio. Gluck has reinvented her style in some > interesting ways, but I haven't felt anything for the last > two collections at all; it's as if she is consciously > destroying the aesthetic values that she founded her career > on. Again, I love some of her work, but there is that > feeling again, of filling out a portfolio. > > Philip Metres > Assistant Professor > Department of English > John Carroll University > 20700 N. Park Blvd > University Heights, OH 44118 > (216) 397-4528 (work) > http://www.philipmetres.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Mar 21 21:34:14 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:34:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Majors to Demi-Majors to Maxi-Minors References: <344.44930a.315161ca@aol.com> Message-ID: <008401c64d59$1d324660$9ab831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Here's a question about the whole 'major poet' label: Do you thing the era of the major poet may be coming to a close? With the mainstream and otherstreams all able to reach 'appreciable audiences' via publishing in print and electronic media (print on demand, blogs, webzines, lists, etc.) there's been a 'flattening out' of the attention that any one poet is capable of garnering, and that after another 10 or 20 years we'll have lots of 'well-known poets' but few or none that will have enough of a following or to amass enough serious critical attention to be called major (at least during their own lifetimes)? Finnegan I think people will always want to rank poets, and most of them will rank them in accordance with prizes won, and volume of attention from the mass media, rather than with accomplishment. Meanwhile, I just wrote a quick blog entry that's at http://comprepoetica.com/newblog/blog00779.html. It gives my definition of a major critic. I'd post it here except that it has negative statements in it. 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I just saw a ship called "Star of the East" -- better get on that non-scientific Captain. Seriously, do you really read this as saying Venus is literally a star? That the light it casts is its own? I guess I am too charitable... c I think the point being that it is a poor metaphor ... It a good thing I wasn't eating or drinking when I first read it. Cheers, Kaz http://mathematicalpoetry.blogspot.com http://www.kazmaslanka.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kazmandu at aol.com Wed Mar 22 02:09:23 2006 From: Kazmandu at aol.com (Kazmandu at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 02:09:23 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Stars ... what stars? Message-ID: <330.77a87c.31525223@aol.com> In a message dated 3/20/2006 11:57:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu writes: O How everything is so far away and so long ago departed. I believe that the star from which I receive such glittering light has been dead for thousands of years. I believe that something frightening was said in the boat which just passed by. In a house, a clock has marked the hour . . . Here is another one with dubious scientific merit... There are only a few stars that you can see with the naked eye further than two thousand light years. I do not know of any further than three and a half thousand light years. Furthermore ,out of these stars the only ones to be in danger of dying would be red in color ... and there are even fewer of these. Maybe he used a telescope. Cheers, Kaz http://mathematicalpoetry.blogspot.com http://www.kazmaslanka.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Blythe > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Philip Metres wrote: > >> This is an overreach, but at times it feels as if Merwin is >> merely filling out his career, with poems that rehash an >> exhausted style that at one time (around 1966--with The Lice) >> was innovative and stunning. I do love The Lice and many >> other poems of his, but this sense of a poet just solidifying >> his portfolio. Gluck has reinvented her style in some >> interesting ways, but I haven't felt anything for the last >> two collections at all; it's as if she is consciously >> destroying the aesthetic values that she founded her career >> on. Again, I love some of her work, but there is that >> feeling again, of filling out a portfolio. >> >> Philip Metres >> Assistant Professor >> Department of English >> John Carroll University >> 20700 N. Park Blvd >> University Heights, OH 44118 >> (216) 397-4528 (work) >> http://www.philipmetres.com >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Mar 22 10:36:13 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:36:13 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Majors to Demi-Majors to Maxi-Minors References: <344.44930a.315161ca@aol.com> Message-ID: <00d301c64dc6$5a7c3270$b5ab3452@ANNY> I was translating this quotation from Julia Kristeva, ?trangers ? nous-m?mes, Paris: Gallimard, 1988, by Letizia Ragaglia that gave me the input to a possible answer to James' question. "The foreigner strengthens himself in virtue of the distance that he keeps from the others and from his own self that grants him the proud notion of not holding the truth but of having the faculty of seeing all, himself included, within a sense of proportion while the others are a prey to the routine of a mono-value."1. "The space of the foreigner is a train on a track, a plane in flight, the same transition that excludes a stop"2. >From this position, as a stranger here in Italy and as a stranger in the States - as a stranger everywhere, I don't have any major requests towards our society. Anguish is sometimes triggered by this notion quickly appeased by everyday problems. Therefore the consideration that the 'major poet' label _is_ as a matter of fact disappearing (it might take about 100 or 200 years on this side of the ocean) does not bother me. And by trying to be more specifically concerned in giving an appropriate answer to the question in general, haven't we always tried in history to win the power of the few? ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Majors to Demi-Majors to Maxi-Minors Here's a question about the whole 'major poet' label: Do you thing the era of the major poet may be coming to a close? With the mainstream and otherstreams all able to reach 'appreciable audiences' via publishing in print and electronic media (print on demand, blogs, webzines, lists, etc.) there's been a 'flattening out' of the attention that any one poet is capable of garnering, and that after another 10 or 20 years we'll have lots of 'well-known poets' but few or none that will have enough of a following or to amass enough serious critical attention to be called major (at least during their own lifetimes)? 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Hal "I am no more humble than my talents require." --Oscar Levant Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Helen Ruggieri wrote: > Hey, Hal, where'd you come by that Blythe quote? > > In Haiku? If so which volume. > xxx > h > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:06 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] major poetry and merwin and gluck > > >> You'd think, after all these centuries, writers would know >> enough not to pester us with less than their best work. I mean, >> they ought to know well enough to skip the juvenilia, get >> their three or four best out and about, and then check out. >> >> Hal >> >> "The highest responsibility of the artist >> is to hide beauty." >> --R. H. Blythe >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at earthlink.net >> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Philip Metres wrote: >> >>> This is an overreach, but at times it feels as if Merwin is >>> merely filling out his career, with poems that rehash an >>> exhausted style that at one time (around 1966--with The Lice) >>> was innovative and stunning. I do love The Lice and many >>> other poems of his, but this sense of a poet just solidifying >>> his portfolio. Gluck has reinvented her style in some >>> interesting ways, but I haven't felt anything for the last >>> two collections at all; it's as if she is consciously >>> destroying the aesthetic values that she founded her career >>> on. Again, I love some of her work, but there is that >>> feeling again, of filling out a portfolio. >>> >>> Philip Metres >>> Assistant Professor >>> Department of English >>> John Carroll University >>> 20700 N. Park Blvd >>> University Heights, OH 44118 >>> (216) 397-4528 (work) >>> http://www.philipmetres.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -------------------------------------------- > My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and > corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of > ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Mar 22 11:04:22 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:04:22 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Edward Hirsch & the common reader Message-ID: I came home from the library yesterday with Edward Hirsch's new collection of essays, *Poet's Choice*, which collects his columns of that name from the Washington Post. He's expanded and re-arranged a bit, but the book remains essentially a miscellany of appreciations of poets old and new that have caught Hirsch's eye. I was reminded of recent discussion here about critical prose written for the general reader, not simply for other poets or academic specialists. I think that Hirsch is one of the best. This book is great fun to dip into, and, while the thing is clearly pitched toward the common reader, he holds my interest, too. He's also introduced me to a number of poets and poems new to me. Even better than this volume, I'd say, is his previous one, *How to Read a Poem And Fall in Love With Poetry*, which is packed with good stuff, and also pitched at non-specialist readers. In it he meditates at more length on a variety of topics. I haven't yet read his book on poetic inspiration, *The Demon & the Angel*, but I will. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From halvard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 22 11:11:59 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:11:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] major poetry and merwin and gluck In-Reply-To: <007b01c64dc2$c184d520$6500a8c0@Helen> References: <20060321125213.BPM26096@mirapoint.jcu.edu> <8F8FB0C5-04C4-4AE5-9B66-D9FCF4B3DA58@earthlink.net> <007b01c64dc2$c184d520$6500a8c0@Helen> Message-ID: Me again, Helen. On further reflection, I probably found it in Cage. Here's the passage (but he doesn't say which volume): In the course of a lecture last winter on Zen Buddhism, Dr. Suzuki said: "Before studying Zen, men are men and mountains are mountains. While studying Zen things become confused: one doesn't know exactly what is what and which is which. After studying Zen, men are men and mountains are mountains." After the lecture the question was asked: "Dr. Suzuki, what is the difference between 'men are men and mountains are mountains' before studying Zen and 'men are men and mountains are mountains' after studying Zen? Suzuki answered: "Just the same, only somewhat as though you had your feet a little off the ground." Now, before studying music, men are men and sounds are sounds. While studying music things aren't clear. After studying music men are men and sounds are sounds. That is to say: At the beginning, one can hear a sound and tell immediately that it isn't a human being or something to look at; it is high or low, has a certain timbre or loudness, lasts a certain length of time and one can hear it. One then decides whether he enjoys it or not, and gradually develops a set of likes and dislikes. While studying music, things get a little confused. Sounds are no longer just sounds, but are letters: A, B, C, D, E, F, G. Sharps and flats. Two of them, four or even five octaves apart, are called by the same letter. If a sound is unfortunate enough to not have a letter or if it seems to be too complex, it is tossed out of the system on the grounds that it's a noise or unmusical. The tones that remain are arranged in modes or scales or nowadays rows, and an abstract process begins called composition. That is, a composer uses the sounds to express an idea or a feeling or an integration of these. In the case of a musical idea, one is told that the sounds themselves are no longer of consequence; what 'count' are their relationships. And yet these relationships are generally quite simply: a canon is like children playing follow the leader. A fugue is a more complicated game; but it can be broken up by a single sound: say, from a fire engine's siren, or from the horn of a boat passing by. The most that can be accomplished by no matter what musical idea is to show how intelligent the composer was who had it; and the easiest way to ascertain what the musical idea was is to get yourself in such a state of confusion that you think that a sound is not something to hear but rather something to look at. In the case of a musical felling, again the sounds are unimportant, what counts is expression. But the most that can be accomplished by the musical expression of feeling is to show how emotional the composer was who had it. If anyone wants to get a feeling of how emotional a composer proved himself to be, he has to confuse himself to the same final extent that the composer did and imagine that sounds are not sounds at all but are Beethoven and that men are not men but are sounds. Any child will tell us: this is simply not the case. A man is a man and a sound is a sound. To realize this, one has to put a stop to studying music. That is to say, one has to stop all the thinking that separates music from living. There is all time in the world for studying music, but for living there is scarcely any time at all. For living takes place each instant and that instant is always changing. The wisest thing to do is to open one's ears immediately and hear a sound suddenly before one's thinking has a chance to turn it into something logical, abstract, or symbolical. Sounds are sounds, and men are men, but now our feet are a little off the ground. Perhaps this will make understandable a statement made by Blythe in his book Haiku. "The highest responsibility of the artist is to hide beauty." ===== Now if only I could point you to where I found the Cage piece. Probably it's in Silence somewhere. Hal "A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals how dearly we must pay for the invention of speech." --E. M. Cioran Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Helen Ruggieri wrote: > Hey, Hal, where'd you come by that Blythe quote? > > In Haiku? If so which volume. > xxx > h > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:06 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] major poetry and merwin and gluck > > >> You'd think, after all these centuries, writers would know >> enough not to pester us with less than their best work. I mean, >> they ought to know well enough to skip the juvenilia, get >> their three or four best out and about, and then check out. >> >> Hal >> >> "The highest responsibility of the artist >> is to hide beauty." >> --R. H. Blythe >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at earthlink.net >> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Philip Metres wrote: >> >>> This is an overreach, but at times it feels as if Merwin is >>> merely filling out his career, with poems that rehash an >>> exhausted style that at one time (around 1966--with The Lice) >>> was innovative and stunning. I do love The Lice and many >>> other poems of his, but this sense of a poet just solidifying >>> his portfolio. Gluck has reinvented her style in some >>> interesting ways, but I haven't felt anything for the last >>> two collections at all; it's as if she is consciously >>> destroying the aesthetic values that she founded her career >>> on. Again, I love some of her work, but there is that >>> feeling again, of filling out a portfolio. >>> >>> Philip Metres >>> Assistant Professor >>> Department of English >>> John Carroll University >>> 20700 N. Park Blvd >>> University Heights, OH 44118 >>> (216) 397-4528 (work) >>> http://www.philipmetres.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > -------------------------------------------- > My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and > corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of > ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From hruggier at localnet.com Wed Mar 22 11:30:19 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:30:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] major poetry and merwin and gluck References: <20060321125213.BPM26096@mirapoint.jcu.edu><8F8FB0C5-04C4-4AE5-9B66-D9FCF4B3DA58@earthlink.net><007b01c64dc2$c184d520$6500a8c0@Helen> Message-ID: <000e01c64dcd$ea08af70$6500a8c0@Helen> Thanks, I'll browse,but it's four volumes. It's that weird sort of statement that calls for something. ooo h ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] major poetry and merwin and gluck > Thanks for the kisses, Helen. Google tells me it's from Haiku, > but doesn't tell me which volume. I've no idea where I picked > it up. > > Hal > > "I am no more humble than my talents require." > --Oscar Levant > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Helen Ruggieri wrote: > >> Hey, Hal, where'd you come by that Blythe quote? >> >> In Haiku? If so which volume. >> xxx >> h >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" >> >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] major poetry and merwin and gluck >> >> >>> You'd think, after all these centuries, writers would know >>> enough not to pester us with less than their best work. I mean, >>> they ought to know well enough to skip the juvenilia, get >>> their three or four best out and about, and then check out. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> "The highest responsibility of the artist >>> is to hide beauty." >>> --R. H. Blythe >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> halvard at earthlink.net >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Philip Metres wrote: >>> >>>> This is an overreach, but at times it feels as if Merwin is >>>> merely filling out his career, with poems that rehash an >>>> exhausted style that at one time (around 1966--with The Lice) >>>> was innovative and stunning. I do love The Lice and many >>>> other poems of his, but this sense of a poet just solidifying >>>> his portfolio. Gluck has reinvented her style in some >>>> interesting ways, but I haven't felt anything for the last >>>> two collections at all; it's as if she is consciously >>>> destroying the aesthetic values that she founded her career >>>> on. Again, I love some of her work, but there is that >>>> feeling again, of filling out a portfolio. >>>> >>>> Philip Metres >>>> Assistant Professor >>>> Department of English >>>> John Carroll University >>>> 20700 N. Park Blvd >>>> University Heights, OH 44118 >>>> (216) 397-4528 (work) >>>> http://www.philipmetres.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New-Poetry mailing list >>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and >> corporate anti-spam solutions. 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Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com From chris.lott at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 13:03:31 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:03:31 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Clearly not a science major In-Reply-To: <2c0.746609a.31524e67@aol.com> References: <2c0.746609a.31524e67@aol.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603221003o6425b63ax857fd5e447e2e74e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/21/06, Kazmandu at aol.com wrote: > I think the point being that it is a poor metaphor ... As the case may be-- it doesn't fail because of scientific merits. c From chris.lott at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 13:05:00 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:05:00 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Stars ... what stars? In-Reply-To: <330.77a87c.31525223@aol.com> References: <330.77a87c.31525223@aol.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603221005y29347a56n24ef6288ce00226a@mail.gmail.com> On 3/21/06, Kazmandu at aol.com wrote: > I believe that the star from which > I receive such glittering light > has been dead for thousands of years. > I believe that something > frightening was said > in the boat which just passed by. > In a house, a clock > has marked the hour . . . > > > Here is another one with dubious scientific merit... > > There are only a few stars that you can see with the naked eye further than > two thousand light years. I do not know of any further than three and a half > thousand light years. Furthermore ,out of these stars the only ones to be in > danger of dying would be red in color ... and there are even fewer of these. It's simpler than that. Note the little word "believe"-- the author's already made clear he's not a scientist... people believe in all kinds of strange things: flat earth, alternate realities, Christ... c From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 14:10:28 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:10:28 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Edward Hirsch & the common reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <731bb17a0603221110w297283ebk893229fd6f9dd1cb@mail.gmail.com> I'll second the nomination for *How to Read a Poem*. It would probably be too easy to be dismissive of such a book, which takes an unabashed delight in poetry. I enjoyed it for several reasons. But one thing stuck in my mind as I read it: this guy really loves this stuff. And so do I. Jeff Newberry On 3/22/06, David Graham wrote: > > I came home from the library yesterday with Edward Hirsch's new collection > of essays, *Poet's Choice*, which collects his columns of that name from > the > Washington Post. He's expanded and re-arranged a bit, but the book remains > essentially a miscellany of appreciations of poets old and new that have > caught Hirsch's eye. > > I was reminded of recent discussion here about critical prose written for > the general reader, not simply for other poets or academic specialists. I > think that Hirsch is one of the best. This book is great fun to dip into, > and, while the thing is clearly pitched toward the common reader, he holds > my interest, too. He's also introduced me to a number of poets and poems > new > to me. > > Even better than this volume, I'd say, is his previous one, *How to Read a > Poem And Fall in Love With Poetry*, which is packed with good stuff, and > also pitched at non-specialist readers. 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C ---------- From: "Anny Ballardini" To: "New Poetry" Subject: [New-Poetry] The Lion Sleeps Tonight Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 12:00 PM my favorite? maybe the one by The Tokens or Lebo M (soft soft surround) but why why do I like this song so much? javascript:pop_me_up2('http://www.nytimes.com/packages/khtml/2006/03/16/inte rnational/20060316_LION_AUDIOSS.html', '600_475', 'width=600,height=475,location=no,scrollbars=yes,toolbars=no,resizable=yes') the one by Solom Linda, exceptional - 1939 Pete Seeger gives the beat ah the one by The Kingston Trio (the links seems a disaster, you can find the audio on The New York Times under In the Jungle, the Unjust Jungle, a Small Victory) Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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C ---------- From: "Anny Ballardini" To: "New Poetry" Subject: [New-Poetry] The Lion Sleeps Tonight Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 12:00 PM my favorite? maybe the one by The Tokens or Lebo M (soft soft surround) but why why do I like this song so much? javascript:pop_me_up2('http://www.nytimes.com/packages/khtml/2006/03/16/international/20060316_LION_AUDIOSS.html', '600_475', 'width=600,height=475,location=no,scrollbars=yes,toolbars=no,resizable=yes') the one by Solom Linda, exceptional - 1939 Pete Seeger gives the beat ah the one by The Kingston Trio (the links seems a disaster, you can find the audio on The New York Times under In the Jungle, the Unjust Jungle, a Small Victory) Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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The other one I thank for what seems to me a solid reply. I will discuss both replies at my blog soon, perhaps today. Note: comments to my blog entries get to me anonymously, as both these did. So if you want me to know who you are--which does make it easier to respond, because it ought to make it easier for me to understand what you're saying precisely, please sign your comment. --Bob G. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Mar 22 20:47:58 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:47:58 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] My Blog References: <2c0.746609a.31524e67@aol.com><9b1b9dab0603221003o6425b63ax857fd5e447e2e74e@mail.gmail.com> <005e01c64dfb$e30232e0$8cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <001401c64e1b$d02ef660$6fb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> In today's entry, which is at: http://comprepoetica.com/newblog/blog00780.html I respond to the two who sent me comments about yesterday's entry. --Bob G. From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Mar 23 02:26:28 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:26:28 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac Message-ID: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY> a spring poem, Poem: "The Rider" by Naomi Shihab Nye from Fuel: Poems by Naomi Shihab Nye. ? Boa Editions. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) The Rider A boy told me if he roller-skated fast enough his loneliness couldn't catch up to him, the best reason I ever heard for trying to be a champion. What I wonder tonight pedaling hard down King William Street is if it translates to bicycles. A victory! 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URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 09:35:46 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:35:46 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac In-Reply-To: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY> References: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY> Message-ID: <731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com> I read this, too, and a part of me wants to like it. But I just don't believe what the speaker says. I really do not believe anyone, particularly a boy on roller skates, told "her" that he could skate fast enough to outrun his lonliness. I like the idea of the poem, but I'd have cut it after the third stanza. Thanks for posting this, Anny. Jeff (Writing from North Georgia, where it's too damn cold to be Spring!) On 3/23/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > a spring poem, > > > *Poem:* "The Rider" by Naomi Shihab Nye from *Fuel: Poems by Naomi Shihab > Nye*. (c) Boa Editions. Reprinted with permission. > (*buy now * > ) > > *The Rider* > > A boy told me > if he roller-skated fast enough > his loneliness couldn't catch up to him, > > the best reason I ever heard > for trying to be a champion. > > What I wonder tonight > pedaling hard down King William Street > is if it translates to bicycles. > > A victory! To leave your loneliness > panting behind you on some street corner > while you float free into a cloud of sudden azaleas, > pink petals that have never felt loneliness, > no matter how slowly they fell. > > ------------------------------ > > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 23 09:40:33 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:40:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY> <731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35D1ACB1-C880-4C4B-BC64-A8618129F5FD@earthlink.net> I think I'd have cut it three stanzas before you would, Jeff. Hal Braised pork bun (Taiwanese style) Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > I read this, too, and a part of me wants to like it. But I just > don't believe what the speaker says. I really do not believe > anyone, particularly a boy on roller skates, told "her" that he > could skate fast enough to outrun his lonliness. > > I like the idea of the poem, but I'd have cut it after the third > stanza. > > Thanks for posting this, Anny. > > Jeff > (Writing from North Georgia, where it's too damn cold to be Spring!) > > > On 3/23/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > a spring poem, > > Poem: "The Rider" by Naomi Shihab Nye from Fuel: Poems by Naomi > Shihab Nye. ? Boa Editions. Reprinted with permission. > ( buy now) > > The Rider > > A boy told me > if he roller-skated fast enough > his loneliness couldn't catch up to him, > > the best reason I ever heard > for trying to be a champion. > > What I wonder tonight > pedaling hard down King William Street > is if it translates to bicycles. > > A victory! To leave your loneliness > panting behind you on some street corner > while you float free into a cloud of sudden azaleas, > pink petals that have never felt loneliness, > no matter how slowly they fell. > > > > > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a > dancing star! > Friedrich Nietzsche > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Mar 23 11:34:43 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:34:43 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac References: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY><731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com> <35D1ACB1-C880-4C4B-BC64-A8618129F5FD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004801c64e97$b10c9d60$d6df3652@ANNY> At least Jeff is a gentleman - he tries to explain, but Hal___! From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:40 PM I think I'd have cut it three stanzas before you would, Jeff. Hal Braised pork bun (Taiwanese style) Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: I read this, too, and a part of me wants to like it. But I just don't believe what the speaker says. I really do not believe anyone, particularly a boy on roller skates, told "her" that he could skate fast enough to outrun his lonliness. I like the idea of the poem, but I'd have cut it after the third stanza. Thanks for posting this, Anny. Jeff (Writing from North Georgia, where it's too damn cold to be Spring!) On 3/23/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: a spring poem, Poem: "The Rider" by Naomi Shihab Nye from Fuel: Poems by Naomi Shihab Nye. ? Boa Editions. Reprinted with permission. ( buy now) The Rider A boy told me if he roller-skated fast enough his loneliness couldn't catch up to him, the best reason I ever heard for trying to be a champion. What I wonder tonight pedaling hard down King William Street is if it translates to bicycles. A victory! To leave your loneliness panting behind you on some street corner while you float free into a cloud of sudden azaleas, pink petals that have never felt loneliness, no matter how slowly they fell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 11:36:54 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:36:54 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: from the Writer's Almanac In-Reply-To: <004801c64e97$b10c9d60$d6df3652@ANNY> References: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY> <731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com> <35D1ACB1-C880-4C4B-BC64-A8618129F5FD@earthlink.net> <004801c64e97$b10c9d60$d6df3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <648208b60603230836x46f0268bna2617dbc7248fa42@mail.gmail.com> Oh, come on. You're all jealous because she's accessible. - Jim On 3/23/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > At least Jeff is a gentleman - he tries to explain, but Hal___! > From: Halvard Johnson > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:40 PM > > > I think I'd have cut it three stanzas before you would, Jeff. > > > Hal > > > Braised pork bun (Taiwanese style) > > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > > I read this, too, and a part of me wants to like it. But I just don't > believe what the speaker says. I really do not believe anyone, particularly > a boy on roller skates, told "her" that he could skate fast enough to outrun > his lonliness. > > I like the idea of the poem, but I'd have cut it after the third stanza. > > Thanks for posting this, Anny. > > Jeff > (Writing from North Georgia, where it's too damn cold to be Spring!) > > > On 3/23/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > a spring poem, > > Poem: "The Rider" by Naomi Shihab Nye from Fuel: Poems by Naomi Shihab > Nye. (c) Boa Editions. Reprinted with permission. > ( buy now) > > The Rider > > A boy told me > if he roller-skated fast enough > his loneliness couldn't catch up to him, > > the best reason I ever heard > for trying to be a champion. > > What I wonder tonight > pedaling hard down King William Street > is if it translates to bicycles. > > A victory! To leave your loneliness > panting behind you on some street corner > while you float free into a cloud of sudden azaleas, > pink petals that have never felt loneliness, > no matter how slowly they fell. > > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 12:21:13 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:21:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: from the Writer's Almanac In-Reply-To: <648208b60603230836x46f0268bna2617dbc7248fa42@mail.gmail.com> References: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY> <731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com> <35D1ACB1-C880-4C4B-BC64-A8618129F5FD@earthlink.net> <004801c64e97$b10c9d60$d6df3652@ANNY> <648208b60603230836x46f0268bna2617dbc7248fa42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0603230921o20ae405tf251638d5e66cc5e@mail.gmail.com> Hmmm...I certainly hope that's not the case ;-) If it is, I'm in deep doo-doo. B/c if you can call my stuff "inaccessible," you must not know how to talk through an open door. Jeff On 3/23/06, James Cervantes wrote: > > Oh, come on. You're all jealous because she's accessible. > > - Jim > > On 3/23/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > At least Jeff is a gentleman - he tries to explain, but Hal___! > > From: Halvard Johnson > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:40 PM > > > > > > I think I'd have cut it three stanzas before you would, Jeff. > > > > > > Hal > > > > > > Braised pork bun (Taiwanese style) > > > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard at earthlink.net > > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > > > > > I read this, too, and a part of me wants to like it. But I just > don't > > believe what the speaker says. I really do not believe anyone, > particularly > > a boy on roller skates, told "her" that he could skate fast enough to > outrun > > his lonliness. > > > > I like the idea of the poem, but I'd have cut it after the third > stanza. > > > > Thanks for posting this, Anny. > > > > Jeff > > (Writing from North Georgia, where it's too damn cold to be Spring!) > > > > > > On 3/23/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > a spring poem, > > > > Poem: "The Rider" by Naomi Shihab Nye from Fuel: Poems by Naomi > Shihab > > Nye. (c) Boa Editions. Reprinted with permission. > > ( buy now) > > > > The Rider > > > > A boy told me > > if he roller-skated fast enough > > his loneliness couldn't catch up to him, > > > > the best reason I ever heard > > for trying to be a champion. > > > > What I wonder tonight > > pedaling hard down King William Street > > is if it translates to bicycles. > > > > A victory! To leave your loneliness > > panting behind you on some street corner > > while you float free into a cloud of sudden azaleas, > > pink petals that have never felt loneliness, > > no matter how slowly they fell. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 23 14:07:12 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:07:12 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac In-Reply-To: <004801c64e97$b10c9d60$d6df3652@ANNY> References: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY><731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com> <35D1ACB1-C880-4C4B-BC64-A8618129F5FD@earthlink.net> <004801c64e97$b10c9d60$d6df3652@ANNY> Message-ID: I liked the title, Anny. Hal "A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg." --Samuel Butler Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 23, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > At least Jeff is a gentleman - he tries to explain, but Hal___! > From: Halvard Johnson > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:40 PM > > I think I'd have cut it three stanzas before you would, Jeff. > > Hal > > Braised pork bun (Taiwanese style) > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> I read this, too, and a part of me wants to like it. But I just >> don't believe what the speaker says. I really do not believe >> anyone, particularly a boy on roller skates, told "her" that he >> could skate fast enough to outrun his lonliness. >> >> I like the idea of the poem, but I'd have cut it after the third >> stanza. >> >> Thanks for posting this, Anny. >> >> Jeff >> (Writing from North Georgia, where it's too damn cold to be Spring!) >> >> >> On 3/23/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> a spring poem, >> >> Poem: "The Rider" by Naomi Shihab Nye from Fuel: Poems by Naomi >> Shihab Nye. ? Boa Editions. Reprinted with permission. >> ( buy now) >> >> The Rider >> >> A boy told me >> if he roller-skated fast enough >> his loneliness couldn't catch up to him, >> >> the best reason I ever heard >> for trying to be a champion. >> >> What I wonder tonight >> pedaling hard down King William Street >> is if it translates to bicycles. >> >> A victory! To leave your loneliness >> panting behind you on some street corner >> while you float free into a cloud of sudden azaleas, >> pink petals that have never felt loneliness, >> no matter how slowly they fell. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Mar 23 14:45:10 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:45:10 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac References: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY><731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com><35D1ACB1-C880-4C4B-BC64-A8618129F5FD@earthlink.net><004801c64e97$b10c9d60$d6df3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <00a301c64eb2$4c27cda0$8caf3852@ANNY> Erlkoenig Wer reitet so spaet durch Nacht und Wind? Es ist der Vater mit seinem Kind; Er hat den Knaben wohl in dem Arm, Er fasst ihn sicher, er haelt ihn Warm. Mein Sohn, was birgst du so bang dein Gesicht? Siehst, Vater, du den Erlkoenig nicht? Den Erlenkoenig mit Kron und Schweif? Mein Sohn, mein Sohn, es ist ein Nebelstreif. "Du liebes Kind, komm, geh' mit mir, Gar schoene Spiele spiel' ich mit dir, Manch bunte Blumen sind an dem Strand, Meine Mutter hat manch guelden Gewand." Mein Vater, mein Vater, und hoerest du nicht, Wass Erlenkoenig mir leise verspricht? Sei ruhig, bleibe ruhig mein Kind, In dueren Blaettern saeuselt der Wind. "Willst, feiner Knabe, du mit mir geh'n? Meine Toechter sollen dich warten schoen, Meine Toechter fuehren den naechtlichen Reihn, Und wiegen und tanzen und singen dich ein." Mein Vater, mein Vater und siehst du nicht dort Erlenkoenigs Toechter am duestern Ort? Mein Sohn, mein Sohn, ich seh' es genau; Es scheinen die alten Weiden so grau. "Ich liebe dich, mich reizt deine schoene Gestalt; Und bist du nicht willig so brauch ich Gewalt." Mein Vater, mein Vater, jetzt fasst er mich an! Erlkoenig hat mir ein Leids gethan! Dem Vater grausest's, er reitet geschwind, Er haelt in den Armen das aechzende Kind, Erreicht dem Hof mit Muehe und Noth - In seinen Armen das Kind war tot. Goethe From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:07 PM I liked the title, Anny. Hal "A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg." --Samuel Butler Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 15:09:30 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:09:30 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: from the Writer's Almanac In-Reply-To: References: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY> <731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com> <35D1ACB1-C880-4C4B-BC64-A8618129F5FD@earthlink.net> <004801c64e97$b10c9d60$d6df3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <648208b60603231209v4224cbe2ja250f04ee14fc97a@mail.gmail.com> But wouldn't "Rider" have done. Why the definite article? - Jim On 3/23/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > I liked the title, Anny. > > Hal > > "A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg." > --Samuel Butler > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > On Mar 23, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > > At least Jeff is a gentleman - he tries to explain, but Hal___! > > From: Halvard Johnson > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:40 PM > > > > I think I'd have cut it three stanzas before you would, Jeff. > > > > Hal > > > > Braised pork bun (Taiwanese style) > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard at earthlink.net > > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > > >> I read this, too, and a part of me wants to like it. But I just > >> don't believe what the speaker says. I really do not believe > >> anyone, particularly a boy on roller skates, told "her" that he > >> could skate fast enough to outrun his lonliness. > >> > >> I like the idea of the poem, but I'd have cut it after the third > >> stanza. > >> > >> Thanks for posting this, Anny. > >> > >> Jeff > >> (Writing from North Georgia, where it's too damn cold to be Spring!) > >> > >> > >> On 3/23/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> a spring poem, > >> > >> Poem: "The Rider" by Naomi Shihab Nye from Fuel: Poems by Naomi > >> Shihab Nye. (c) Boa Editions. Reprinted with permission. > >> ( buy now) > >> > >> The Rider > >> > >> A boy told me > >> if he roller-skated fast enough > >> his loneliness couldn't catch up to him, > >> > >> the best reason I ever heard > >> for trying to be a champion. > >> > >> What I wonder tonight > >> pedaling hard down King William Street > >> is if it translates to bicycles. > >> > >> A victory! To leave your loneliness > >> panting behind you on some street corner > >> while you float free into a cloud of sudden azaleas, > >> pink petals that have never felt loneliness, > >> no matter how slowly they fell. > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 23 16:05:59 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:05:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: from the Writer's Almanac In-Reply-To: <648208b60603231209v4224cbe2ja250f04ee14fc97a@mail.gmail.com> References: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY> <731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com> <35D1ACB1-C880-4C4B-BC64-A8618129F5FD@earthlink.net> <004801c64e97$b10c9d60$d6df3652@ANNY> <648208b60603231209v4224cbe2ja250f04ee14fc97a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Or how about "Rid"? Why two morphemes when one would do? And let's think about "Id." Hal "We don't serve fine wine in half-pints, buddy." --Robert Ashley Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 23, 2006, at 3:09 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > But wouldn't "Rider" have done. Why the definite article? > > - Jim > > On 3/23/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: >> I liked the title, Anny. >> >> Hal >> >> "A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg." >> --Samuel Butler >> >> Halvard Johnson >> ================ >> halvard at earthlink.net >> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >> On Mar 23, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> >>> At least Jeff is a gentleman - he tries to explain, but Hal___! >>> From: Halvard Johnson >>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:40 PM >>> >>> I think I'd have cut it three stanzas before you would, Jeff. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> Braised pork bun (Taiwanese style) >>> >>> Halvard Johnson >>> ================ >>> halvard at earthlink.net >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org >>> >>> On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: >>> >>>> I read this, too, and a part of me wants to like it. But I just >>>> don't believe what the speaker says. I really do not believe >>>> anyone, particularly a boy on roller skates, told "her" that he >>>> could skate fast enough to outrun his lonliness. >>>> >>>> I like the idea of the poem, but I'd have cut it after the third >>>> stanza. >>>> >>>> Thanks for posting this, Anny. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> (Writing from North Georgia, where it's too damn cold to be >>>> Spring!) >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/23/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: >>>> a spring poem, >>>> >>>> Poem: "The Rider" by Naomi Shihab Nye from Fuel: Poems by Naomi >>>> Shihab Nye. (c) Boa Editions. Reprinted with permission. >>>> ( buy now) >>>> >>>> The Rider >>>> >>>> A boy told me >>>> if he roller-skated fast enough >>>> his loneliness couldn't catch up to him, >>>> >>>> the best reason I ever heard >>>> for trying to be a champion. >>>> >>>> What I wonder tonight >>>> pedaling hard down King William Street >>>> is if it translates to bicycles. >>>> >>>> A victory! To leave your loneliness >>>> panting behind you on some street corner >>>> while you float free into a cloud of sudden azaleas, >>>> pink petals that have never felt loneliness, >>>> no matter how slowly they fell. >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Mar 23 16:06:47 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:06:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] from the Writer's Almanac In-Reply-To: <00a301c64eb2$4c27cda0$8caf3852@ANNY> References: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY><731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com><35D1ACB1-C880-4C4B-BC64-A8618129F5FD@earthlink.net><004801c64e97$b10c9d60$d6df3652@ANNY> <00a301c64eb2$4c27cda0$8caf3852@ANNY> Message-ID: <2CCAF5F3-6E2A-4FD8-AFEA-2CF1E137066C@earthlink.net> Sounds better in the Schubertian, Anny. Hal "What does a poet need an unlisted number for?" --George Costanza Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Mar 23, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Erlkoenig > > Wer reitet so spaet durch Nacht und Wind? > Es ist der Vater mit seinem Kind; > Er hat den Knaben wohl in dem Arm, > Er fasst ihn sicher, er haelt ihn Warm. > > Mein Sohn, was birgst du so bang dein Gesicht? > Siehst, Vater, du den Erlkoenig nicht? > Den Erlenkoenig mit Kron und Schweif? > Mein Sohn, mein Sohn, es ist ein Nebelstreif. > > "Du liebes Kind, komm, geh' mit mir, > Gar schoene Spiele spiel' ich mit dir, > Manch bunte Blumen sind an dem Strand, > Meine Mutter hat manch guelden Gewand." > > Mein Vater, mein Vater, und hoerest du nicht, > Wass Erlenkoenig mir leise verspricht? > Sei ruhig, bleibe ruhig mein Kind, > In dueren Blaettern saeuselt der Wind. > > "Willst, feiner Knabe, du mit mir geh'n? > Meine Toechter sollen dich warten schoen, > Meine Toechter fuehren den naechtlichen Reihn, > Und wiegen und tanzen und singen dich ein." > > Mein Vater, mein Vater und siehst du nicht dort > Erlenkoenigs Toechter am duestern Ort? > Mein Sohn, mein Sohn, ich seh' es genau; > Es scheinen die alten Weiden so grau. > > "Ich liebe dich, mich reizt deine schoene Gestalt; > Und bist du nicht willig so brauch ich Gewalt." > Mein Vater, mein Vater, jetzt fasst er mich an! > Erlkoenig hat mir ein Leids gethan! > > Dem Vater grausest's, er reitet geschwind, > Er haelt in den Armen das aechzende Kind, > Erreicht dem Hof mit Muehe und Noth - > In seinen Armen das Kind war tot. > > Goethe > > From: Halvard Johnson > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:07 PM > > I liked the title, Anny. > > Hal > > "A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg." > --Samuel Butler > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At 03:06 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote: >Sounds better in the Schubertian, Anny. > >Hal > >"What does a poet need an unlisted > number for?" >--George Costanza > >Halvard Johnson >================ >halvard at earthlink.net >http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard >http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >On Mar 23, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > >>Erlkoenig >> >>Wer reitet so spaet durch Nacht und Wind? >>Es ist der Vater mit seinem Kind; >>Er hat den Knaben wohl in dem Arm, >>Er fasst ihn sicher, er haelt ihn Warm. >> >>Mein Sohn, was birgst du so bang dein Gesicht? >>Siehst, Vater, du den Erlkoenig nicht? >>Den Erlenkoenig mit Kron und Schweif? >>Mein Sohn, mein Sohn, es ist ein Nebelstreif. >> >>"Du liebes Kind, komm, geh' mit mir, >>Gar schoene Spiele spiel' ich mit dir, >>Manch bunte Blumen sind an dem Strand, >>Meine Mutter hat manch guelden Gewand." >> >>Mein Vater, mein Vater, und hoerest du nicht, >>Wass Erlenkoenig mir leise verspricht? >>Sei ruhig, bleibe ruhig mein Kind, >>In dueren Blaettern saeuselt der Wind. >> >>"Willst, feiner Knabe, du mit mir geh'n? >>Meine Toechter sollen dich warten schoen, >>Meine Toechter fuehren den naechtlichen Reihn, >>Und wiegen und tanzen und singen dich ein." >> >>Mein Vater, mein Vater und siehst du nicht dort >>Erlenkoenigs Toechter am duestern Ort? >>Mein Sohn, mein Sohn, ich seh' es genau; >>Es scheinen die alten Weiden so grau. >> >>"Ich liebe dich, mich reizt deine schoene Gestalt; >>Und bist du nicht willig so brauch ich Gewalt." >>Mein Vater, mein Vater, jetzt fasst er mich an! >>Erlkoenig hat mir ein Leids gethan! >> >>Dem Vater grausest's, er reitet geschwind, >>Er haelt in den Armen das aechzende Kind, >>Erreicht dem Hof mit Muehe und Noth - >>In seinen Armen das Kind war tot. >> >>Goethe >>From: Halvard Johnson >>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:07 PM >> >>I liked the title, Anny. >> >>Hal >> >>"A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg." >>--Samuel Butler >> >>Halvard Johnson >>================ >>halvard at earthlink.net >>http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard >>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com >>http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com >>http://www.hamiltonstone.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 19:49:28 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:49:28 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: from the Writer's Almanac In-Reply-To: References: <002601c64e4b$19c40bb0$b5ab3452@ANNY> <731bb17a0603230635j53bcab09od23ba30f3873f7f4@mail.gmail.com> <35D1ACB1-C880-4C4B-BC64-A8618129F5FD@earthlink.net> <004801c64e97$b10c9d60$d6df3652@ANNY> <648208b60603231209v4224cbe2ja250f04ee14fc97a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60603231649u7b0f6124t3066c700278251d3@mail.gmail.com> Honestly, Hal, I'd rather not think about id. Hal? Are you there, Hal? On 3/23/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Or how about "Rid"? Why two morphemes > when one would do? > > And let's think about "Id." > > Hal > > "We don't serve fine wine in half-pints, buddy." > --Robert Ashley > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > On Mar 23, 2006, at 3:09 PM, James Cervantes wrote: > > > But wouldn't "Rider" have done. Why the definite article? > > > > - Jim > > > > On 3/23/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> I liked the title, Anny. > >> > >> Hal > >> > >> "A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg." > >> --Samuel Butler > >> > >> Halvard Johnson > >> ================ > >> halvard at earthlink.net > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >> > >> On Mar 23, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> > >>> At least Jeff is a gentleman - he tries to explain, but Hal___! > >>> From: Halvard Johnson > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:40 PM > >>> > >>> I think I'd have cut it three stanzas before you would, Jeff. > >>> > >>> Hal > >>> > >>> Braised pork bun (Taiwanese style) > >>> > >>> Halvard Johnson > >>> ================ > >>> halvard at earthlink.net > >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > >>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >>> > >>> On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >>> > >>>> I read this, too, and a part of me wants to like it. But I just > >>>> don't believe what the speaker says. I really do not believe > >>>> anyone, particularly a boy on roller skates, told "her" that he > >>>> could skate fast enough to outrun his lonliness. > >>>> > >>>> I like the idea of the poem, but I'd have cut it after the third > >>>> stanza. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for posting this, Anny. > >>>> > >>>> Jeff > >>>> (Writing from North Georgia, where it's too damn cold to be > >>>> Spring!) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 3/23/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > >>>> a spring poem, > >>>> > >>>> Poem: "The Rider" by Naomi Shihab Nye from Fuel: Poems by Naomi > >>>> Shihab Nye. (c) Boa Editions. Reprinted with permission. > >>>> ( buy now) > >>>> > >>>> The Rider > >>>> > >>>> A boy told me > >>>> if he roller-skated fast enough > >>>> his loneliness couldn't catch up to him, > >>>> > >>>> the best reason I ever heard > >>>> for trying to be a champion. > >>>> > >>>> What I wonder tonight > >>>> pedaling hard down King William Street > >>>> is if it translates to bicycles. > >>>> > >>>> A victory! To leave your loneliness > >>>> panting behind you on some street corner > >>>> while you float free into a cloud of sudden azaleas, > >>>> pink petals that have never felt loneliness, > >>>> no matter how slowly they fell. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> New-Poetry mailing list > >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Mar 24 04:30:48 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:30:48 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ferlinghetti: Happy Birthday! Message-ID: <003e01c64f25$a292ed00$382ab750@ANNY> >From the Writer's Almanac: ... Ferlinghetti is one of the few poets in the United States who has never held a job at a university, never received government funding, and never attended an MLA conference. He's never won a Pulitzer. and the last three lines of his poem featured today (not too many Hal, -if he's still there) ... As a lover stands transparent ---------Screened against the sun -----------------Smiling darkly in the blinding light "# 46" by Lawrence Ferlinghetti from A Coney Island of the Mind. ? New Directions. Reprinted with Permission (books by this author) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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He's never won a Pulitzer. > > and the last three lines of his poem featured today (not too many Hal, -if > he's still there) > > ... > > As a lover stands transparent > ---------Screened against the sun > -----------------Smiling darkly in the blinding light > > "# 46" by Lawrence Ferlinghetti from *A Coney Island of the Mind*. (c) New > Directions. 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Kathleen and Christopher collects more than one hundred previously unpublished letters Christopher Isherwood wrote to his mother between 1935 and 1940. Composed while Isherwood was still a struggling writer, these letters offer a brilliant eyewitness account of Europe on the brink of war and an intimate look at the early career of a major literary figure. Warm, confiding, and sometimes quite caustic, the letters also reveal a closer affection between the young Isherwood and his mother than his biographers have portrayed. While Isherwood acknowledged that it took him a long time to come to terms with his mother's influence on his life, the letters in Kathleen and Christopher dispute the prevalent idea that theirs was a relationship rife with conflict. Isherwood's everyday correspondence, written in extraordinary times, reveals a complex yet wholly recognizable and very close bond between mother and son. She was for him, in turns, an agent, a sounding board, and an unbreakable connection to England. For more information, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/I/isherwood_kathleen.html THE TEARS OF THINGS: Melancholy and Physical Objects Peter Schwenger University of Minnesota Press | 224 pages | 2006 ISBN 0-8166-4630-9 | hardcover | $75.00 ISBN 0-8166-4631-7 | paperback | $25.00 Reveals the object as the self's ultimate other. The Tears of Things looks at literary and cultural attempts to control and possess things-including paintings by Georgia O'Keeffe, sculpture by Marcel Duchamp, Joseph Cornell's boxes, Edward Gorey's graphic art, fiction by Virginia Woolf, and the corpse photographs of Joel Peter Witkin. What emerges is not an art that reassembles but one that questions what it means to assemble in the first place. "Peter Schwenger shows why and how the representation and organization of the inanimate object world perpetually falls short of our aspirations, and he shows what things get left behind. He makes an important contribution to the field of 'object studies' that has captivated the critical imagination. And perhaps above all, he explains something about the ache with which each of us must live as a thing among things." -Bill Brown For more information, including the table of contents, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/S/schwenger_tears.html THE AESTHETICS OF DISENGAGEMENT: Contemporary Art and Depression Christine Ross University of Minnesota Press | 264 pages | 2006 ISBN 0-8166-4538-8 | hardcover | $75.00 ISBN 0-8166-4539-6 | paperback | $25.00 Reveals how artists engage the scientific notion of depression. The Aesthetics of Disengagement shows how contemporary art is a powerful player in the articulation of depression in Western culture. Christine Ross examines the works of Ugo Rondinone, Rosemarie Trockel, Ken Lum, John Pilson, Liza May Post, Vanessa Beecroft, and Douglas Gordon, articulating how their art conveys depression's subjectivity and addresses a depressed spectator whose memory and perceptual faculties are impaired. "The Aesthetics of Disengagement provides a satisfying and profound theory of why contemporary art looks the way it does and how this art is related to broader and deeper structures of subjectivity and meaning in North American and European culture. This is a brilliant and risky book." -Amelia Jones For more information, including the table of contents, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/R/ross_aesthetics.html DARK SIDE OF THE LIGHT: Slavery and the French Enlightenment Louis Sala-Molins Translated and with an introduction by John Conteh-Morgan University of Minnesota Press | 176 pages | 2006 ISBN 0-8166-4388-1 | hardcover | $58.50 ISBN 0-8166-4389-X | paperback | $19.50 Interrogates the philosophy and politics of slavery during the French Enlightenment. Translated into English for the first time, Dark Side of the Light scrutinizes Condorcet's Reflections on Negro Slavery and the works of Montesquieu, Rousseau, and Diderot side by side with the Code Noir (the royal document that codified the rules of French Caribbean slavery). In doing so, renowned French intellectual Louis Sala-Molins uncovers attempts to uphold the humanist project of the Enlightenment while simultaneously justifying slavery. 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Drawing on the traditional ways of Anishinaabe storytelling, acclaimed writer Gerald Vizenor illuminates the 1898 battle at Sugar Point in this epic poem. Fought between the Pillagers of the Leech Lake Reservation and U.S. soldiers, the battle marked a turning point in relations between the government and Native Americans. Bear Island brings back to light a key moment in Minnesota's history. "Gerald Vizenor provides vivid and immediate entry into the battle at Sugar Point, narrating the events in lyric poetry that arises from the Ojibwe song tradition." -Heid Erdrich For more information, including the table of contents, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/V/vizenor_bear.html For more information on the Indigenous Americas Series: http://www.upress.umn.edu/byseries/indigenous.html LEANING INTO THE WIND: A Memoir of Midwest Weather Susan Allen Toth University of Minnesota Press | 144 pages | 2006 ISBN 0-8166-4263-X | paperback | $14.95 One of the Midwest's best writers tackles our perennial favorite topic-the weather. NOW IN PAPERBACK "It is the connection between the weather and who we are that Susan Allen Toth explores in Leaning into the Wind, a collection of autobiographical essays on life and sunshine, windblown relationships, higher powers, and the ominous, Old Testament growl of a rising storm. She has an easy way of telling a story and a gift for capturing the colorful intensity of a moment." -Minneapolis Star Tribune "Most of the essays are lighthearted and include humorous musings on basements, weather words, and gardening. But she also ponders a higher order in life that she sees through the marvels of Midwestern weather." -Library Journal "The strength of Leaning into the Wind is Toth's ability to internalize the weather raging around her as a reflection on her personal life. Leaning into the Wind is a book I recommend for those who want to see weather from a different perspective. It will find a prominent place on my bookshelves." -The Weather Doctor For more information, including an excerpt and the table of contents, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/T/toth_leaning.html JUSTICE FOR MARLYS: A Family's Twenty-Year Search for a Killer John S. 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He's never won a Pulitzer. and the last three lines of his poem featured today (not too many Hal, -if he's still there) ... As a lover stands transparent ---------Screened against the sun -----------------Smiling darkly in the blinding light "# 46" by Lawrence Ferlinghetti from A Coney Island of the Mind. ? New Directions. Reprinted with Permission (books by this author ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He is the editor of The Handbook of Poetic Forms and World Poets: An Encyclopedia for Students, as well as the translator of Blaise Cendrars? Complete Poems. Padgett has taught imaginative writing at Columbia University and Brooklyn College, and for 20 years he was publications director of Teachers & Writers Collaborative in New York City. His poetry has received awards from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Guggenheim Foundation, and the French government named him an Officer in the Order of Arts and Letters. His new book, from Coffee House Press, is Joe: A Memoir of Joe Brainard. -------------------------------------------------------- MiPOradio presents an interview and reading with Daisy Fried at the Bowery Poetry Club - http://www.miporadio.com/fried_daisy.html * Daisy Fried's second book of poems, My Brother is Getting Arrested Again, (University of Pittsburgh, 2006) was a finalist for the 2005 James Laughlin Award. 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Jeff Newberry On 3/25/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > The New Orleans Public Library is asking for any and all hardcover & > paperback books for people of all ages in an effort to restock the shelves > after Katrina. The staff will assess which titles will be designated for its > collections. The rest will be distributed to destitute families or sold for > library fundraising. > > Please send your books to: > > *Rica A. Trigs, Public Relations, New Orleans Public Library, 219 Loyola > Avenue, New Orleans, LA 70112*. > > > Ask the post office to ship "library rate" for a slight discount below > book rate. > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information in this Internet email is > confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the > addressee. 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Jeff Newberry On 3/25/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: The New Orleans Public Library is asking for any and all hardcover & paperback books for people of all ages in an effort to restock the shelves after Katrina. The staff will assess which titles will be designated for its collections. The rest will be distributed to destitute families or sold for library fundraising. Please send your books to: Rica A. Trigs, Public Relations, New Orleans Public Library, 219 Loyola Avenue, New Orleans, LA 70112. Ask the post office to ship "library rate" for a slight discount below book rate. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information in this Internet email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. 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Merwin reads from his work, UCSB's Campbell Hall, > 8 p.m. > > Young People's Poetry Contest Winners, > Faulkner > Gallery, Downtown Library, 7 p.m. > > 15th, Sat.: Tax Day Comic Poems: Coffee Cat, 1201 Anacapa, 4 to 6 p.m. > > 17th, Mon.: FAVES (SB's Favorite Poems) Blue Agave, 20 E. Cota, > 5:15 to > 6:30 p.m. > > 19th, Wed.: David Oliveira reads his poems from SB and Cambodia, > UCSB's Multi-Cultural Center's Auditorium, > 4 to 5:30 p.m. > > 23rd, Sun.: Shakespeare's Birthday Bash: poets respond to current > Renaissance/Rococo show, SB Museum of Art, 1to > 3 p.m. > > 26th, Wed.: TV Channel 21's "non-poets" reading FAVES, 7-8 p.m., > rebroadcasts to follow. > > 27th, Thurs.: Marathon Reading by The Poets of April Poetry Month, > Contemporary Arts Forum, Paseo Nuevo, 7 to > 9 p.m. > > 30th, Sun.: Children's Poetry Events at Artists' Field Day, including > Poets in the Schools, Museum of Natural > History, > noon to 3 p.m. > > for more information, visit www.sbpoetry.net or phone 966-9959 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The conference > venue, the > University of Edinburgh, is located near the heart of the various > Edinburgh > Festival activities. > > I would particularly like to invite you to respond to the conference call > for > papers and presentations. We encourage innovative presentation formats as > well > as academic papers. Presenters may choose to submit written papers for > publication before or after the conference in the refereed International > Journal of the Arts in Society, a new journal commencing publication this > year. > If you are unable to attend the conference in person, virtual > registrations are > also available which allow you to submit a paper for review and possible > publication in the journal, and provide access to the electronic version > of the > conference proceedings. > > The next round in the call for proposals (a title and short abstract) > closes on > 31 March 2006. Full details of the conference, including an online call > for > papers form, are to be found at the conference website - > http://www.Arts-Conference.com > > We look forward to receiving your proposals and hope you will be able to > join us > in Edinburgh in 2006. > > Yours Sincerely, > > > Dr Tressa Berman > BorderZone Arts, USA > Director, International Conference on the Arts in Society > > *** > > Note: If you wish to be removed from this notification list, please inform > us by > reply. > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com From rsillima at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 06:18:58 2006 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 03:18:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060327111858.74338.qmail@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS The reversal of text and illustration in the work of Derek Fenner Some links to Anthony Braxton The jumble of unassimilated parts that is Sally Potter???s Yes Dmitri Prigov - What happens to conceptual poetics when reality is what changes? Hustle and Flow and the nature of an actor???s film Erica Carpenter ??? Perspective Would Have Us Jim Behrle on VH1 Some things to read in the new Brooklyn Rail (Kenny Goldsmith, Charles Bernstein, Ann Lauterbach, Amy King) What is exotic? The Barbara Jane Reyes comments stream Epigrammatitus ??? Kent Johnson at war with poetry and desperately in love Banned in Viet Nam ??? the poetry of Phan Nhien Hao Brecht on the New Sentence Mario Savio on Battlestar Galacatica, Barbara Guest as a language poet in the LA Times and a test of translation of Tom Meyer At War with the U.S. - the view from Canada by George Bowering Who really won Project Runway Narrative markers in ???reality TV??? Ear! Ear! Chris McCreary Dismembers Poeta en San Francisco Barbara Jane Reyes in English, Spanish, Tagalog Walkin??? to New Orleans http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From clitophon at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 08:07:43 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 05:07:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] German Poetry In-Reply-To: <20060327111858.74338.qmail@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060327130743.59702.qmail@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I recently went to a reading in the Lyrik Kabinett, Munich and wanted to ask the list members some basic questions about German poetry. (to test your general knowledge): a) what is Goethe?s birthday? b) where was Bertolt Brecht born? c) what was Rilke?s profession? d) name a book by Hans Magnus Enzenburger? e) why does Gunther Grass paint? f) who married Erika Mann? g) name a current German literary journal? h) what does ?nachlass? mean and why is it used so often in the TLS? Just some basic questions to test your general knowledge. Also: does anyone on the list speak and read German fluently? And anyone speak a dialect, such as Bayerisch, Badisch or Schwystert?tsch? best wishes, Paul Murphy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 27 08:18:51 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:18:51 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] German Poetry References: <20060327130743.59702.qmail@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201c651a0$fddc7aa0$ddab3252@ANNY> If we get them all right, do we receive a prize? From: "Paul Murphy" Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:07 PM > Hi, I recently went to a reading in the Lyrik > Kabinett, Munich and wanted to ask the list members > some basic questions about German poetry. (to test > your general knowledge): > > a) what is Goethe?s birthday? > b) where was Bertolt Brecht born? > c) what was Rilke?s profession? > d) name a book by Hans Magnus Enzenburger? > e) why does Gunther Grass paint? > f) who married Erika Mann? > g) name a current German literary journal? > h) what does ?nachlass? mean and why is it used so > often in the TLS? > > Just some basic questions to test your general > knowledge. Also: does anyone on the list speak and > read German fluently? And anyone speak a dialect, > such as Bayerisch, Badisch or Schwystert?tsch? > > best wishes, > Paul Murphy From clitophon at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 08:24:32 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 05:24:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] German Poetry In-Reply-To: <004201c651a0$fddc7aa0$ddab3252@ANNY> Message-ID: <20060327132432.66784.qmail@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> a) a big kiss b) another big kiss c) a very big kiss --- Anny Ballardini wrote: > If we get them all right, do we receive a prize? > > From: "Paul Murphy" > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:07 PM > > > > Hi, I recently went to a reading in the Lyrik > > Kabinett, Munich and wanted to ask the list > members > > some basic questions about German poetry. (to test > > your general knowledge): > > > > a) what is Goethe?s birthday? > > b) where was Bertolt Brecht born? > > c) what was Rilke?s profession? > > d) name a book by Hans Magnus Enzenburger? > > e) why does Gunther Grass paint? > > f) who married Erika Mann? > > g) name a current German literary journal? > > h) what does ?nachlass? mean and why is it used so > > often in the TLS? > > > > Just some basic questions to test your general > > knowledge. Also: does anyone on the list speak > and > > read German fluently? And anyone speak a dialect, > > such as Bayerisch, Badisch or Schwystert?tsch? > > > > best wishes, > > Paul Murphy > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Mar 27 08:33:31 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:33:31 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] German Poetry References: <20060327132432.66784.qmail@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006401c651a3$0a6db980$ddab3252@ANNY> Without offence, but I was thinking of Hal Johnson who lived in Germany several years and undoubtedly can speak some thick dialect or at least chew a couple of words. From: "Paul Murphy" Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:24 PM > a) a big kiss > b) another big kiss > c) a very big kiss > > --- Anny Ballardini wrote: > >> If we get them all right, do we receive a prize? >> >> From: "Paul Murphy" >> >> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:07 PM >> >> >> > Hi, I recently went to a reading in the Lyrik >> > Kabinett, Munich and wanted to ask the list >> members >> > some basic questions about German poetry. (to test >> > your general knowledge): >> > >> > a) what is Goethe?s birthday? >> > b) where was Bertolt Brecht born? >> > c) what was Rilke?s profession? >> > d) name a book by Hans Magnus Enzenburger? >> > e) why does Gunther Grass paint? >> > f) who married Erika Mann? >> > g) name a current German literary journal? >> > h) what does ?nachlass? mean and why is it used so >> > often in the TLS? >> > >> > Just some basic questions to test your general >> > knowledge. Also: does anyone on the list speak >> and >> > read German fluently? And anyone speak a dialect, >> > such as Bayerisch, Badisch or Schwystert?tsch? >> > >> > best wishes, >> > Paul Murphy >> From opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Mar 27 15:07:41 2006 From: opus40-01 at opus40.org (opus40-01 at opus40.org) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:07:41 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fishing for Help Message-ID: <20060327200741.E821E2EC003@smapp01.siteprotect.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 06:39:56 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:39:56 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fishing for Help In-Reply-To: <003501c6520d$c8eff7a0$86b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <20060327200741.E821E2EC003@smapp01.siteprotect.com> <003501c6520d$c8eff7a0$86b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <648208b60603280339j8a9a014lac60e3b97c580738@mail.gmail.com> its at: http://www.eiu.edu/~literary/4950/fish.htm On 3/27/06, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Let us know what he says. I promise not to comment. > > --Bob G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: opus40-01 at opus40.org > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:07 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Fishing for Help > > > > Does anyone have the essay by Stanley Fish on how you can tell when > something is a poem? If so, coud they backchannel it to me? > > > > Tad > > > > tad at opus40.org > > > ________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 10:21:13 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:21:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by Others: Gustaf Sobin Message-ID: <731bb17a0603280721k7c4a72caj7ab3eca8e5406d46@mail.gmail.com> Prelude VIII Gustaf Sobin there's somebody else here, and it's you if you'd listen: tune, if only could, to those tenuous frequencies. you who aren't, who would, who, in languishing in the vibratory fields of the in- cipient, had cherished, so doing, the treble- headed insects. isn't anatomy but antecedent, the cells but seeds to such premonitory expanses? would thin as you went, wrap as you did to that shroud of blanced shadow. for only there, there where the full scale's worked to a tremor, might you kneel, and in kneeling, suckle, at last, the first resonant drop. from *The Places as Preludes*, Talisman House: Jersey City, 2005. Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Tue Mar 28 13:05:12 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:05:12 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fishing for Help References: <20060327200741.E821E2EC003@smapp01.siteprotect.com><003501c6520d$c8eff7a0$86b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <648208b60603280339j8a9a014lac60e3b97c580738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006b01c65292$28a8ece0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Thankee. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cervantes" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fishing for Help > its at: > > http://www.eiu.edu/~literary/4950/fish.htm > > On 3/27/06, Bob Grumman wrote: >> >> Let us know what he says. I promise not to comment. >> >> --Bob G. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: opus40-01 at opus40.org >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:07 PM >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Fishing for Help >> >> >> >> Does anyone have the essay by Stanley Fish on how you can tell when >> something is a poem? If so, coud they backchannel it to me? >> >> >> >> Tad >> >> >> >> tad at opus40.org >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From mandolin at mac.com Tue Mar 28 14:23:34 2006 From: mandolin at mac.com (Mike Snider) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:23:34 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fishing for Help In-Reply-To: <648208b60603280339j8a9a014lac60e3b97c580738@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060327200741.E821E2EC003@smapp01.siteprotect.com> <003501c6520d$c8eff7a0$86b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <648208b60603280339j8a9a014lac60e3b97c580738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6357168.1143573814836.JavaMail.mandolin@mac.com> On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, at 06:44AM, James Cervantes wrote: > its at: > >http://www.eiu.edu/~literary/4950/fish.htm > >On 3/27/06, Bob Grumman wrote: >> >> Let us know what he says. I promise not to comment. >> >> --Bob G. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: opus40-01 at opus40.org >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:07 PM >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Fishing for Help >> >> >> >> Does anyone have the essay by Stanley Fish on how you can tell when >> something is a poem? If so, coud they backchannel it to me? >> >> >> >> Tad >> >> >> >> tad at opus40.org >> >> By golly, it's a flarf manifesto! ----- Sent from webmail, so I'm not at my computer. http://www.mikesnider.org/formalblog for the Sonnetarium From chris.lott at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 02:16:43 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:16:43 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by Others: Gustaf Sobin In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0603280721k7c4a72caj7ab3eca8e5406d46@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0603280721k7c4a72caj7ab3eca8e5406d46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0603282316v1c51c6f8xe351e4cceb7ddc14@mail.gmail.com> On 3/28/06, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > Prelude VIII > Gustaf Sobin I can make no sense of this poem whatsoever, but it is beautiful nonetheless. c From opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Mar 29 09:55:14 2006 From: opus40-01 at opus40.org (opus40-01 at opus40.org) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:55:14 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] I'll Be Seeing You In Rockland, In Apple Blossom Time Message-ID: <20060329145514.C8F292E8003@smapp00.siteprotect.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you type "I'm with you in" into > Google, it will give you "I'm With You In Rockland" as its first choice of > suggested destinations. > > If you select "I'm With You In Rockland" it will take you to a whole page of > possible destinations, none of which relate to Allen Ginsberg. > > Tad > > Try I'm with you in poo poo land, without quotation marks and see what you get. -- Jim, most unhelpful ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From halvard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 29 12:34:18 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:34:18 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP Stanislaw Lem (1921-2006) Message-ID: <59697A71-E965-42B4-944E-DFBF4FF86693@earthlink.net> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,60-2106311,00.html "There are then quite a number of things one does or does not know." --Gertrude Stein Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr.html From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Wed Mar 29 05:49:44 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 04:49:44 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP Stanislaw Lem (1921-2006) In-Reply-To: <59697A71-E965-42B4-944E-DFBF4FF86693@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 3/29/06 11:34 AM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,60-2106311,00.html > > "There are then quite a number of things > one does or does not know." > --Gertrude Stein > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Sad news indeed. I'm a big admirer of Lem. From halvard at earthlink.net Wed Mar 29 13:00:12 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:00:12 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP Stanislaw Lem (1921-2006) Message-ID: <50C4D25B-56ED-42B3-8B2A-E4C500672F2C@earthlink.net> from "How the World Was Saved" One day Trurl the constructor put together a machine that could create anything starting with n. When it was ready, he tried it out, ordering it to make needles, then nankeens and negligess, which it did, then nail the lot to narghiles filled with nepenthe and numerous other narcotics. The machine carried out his instructions to the letter. Still not completely sure of its ability, he had it produce, one after the other, nimbuses, noodles, nuclei, neutrons, naphtha, noses, nymphs, naiads, and natrium. This last it could not do, and Trurl, considerably irritated, demanded an explanation. ?Never heard of it,? said the machine. ?What? But it?s only sodium. You know, the metal, the element . . .? ?Sodium starts with an s, and I work only in n.? ?But in Latin it?s natrium.? ?Look, old boy,? said the machine, ?if I could do everything starting with n in every possible language, I?d be a Machine That Could Do Everything in the Whole Alphabet, since any item you care to mention undoubtedly starts with n in one foreign language or another. It?s not that easy. I can?t go beyond what you programmed. So no sodium.? --Stanislaw Lem in The Cyberiad "He's the kind of guy who can brighten a room . . . ." --Milton Berle Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you select "I'm With You In Rockland" it will take you to a whole page of possible destinations, none of which relate to Allen Ginsberg. Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Mar 29 14:17:29 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:17:29 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Thomas Merton Prize Message-ID: <009101c65365$6c35b820$e9e83652@ANNY> http://www.mertonfoundation.org/merton.php3?page=programs_events_poetry_guide07.ext What is poetry of the sacred? Poetry that expresses, directly or indirectly, a sense of the holy or that, by its mode of expression, evokes the sacred. The tone may be religious, prophetic, or contemplative. 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From amyhappens at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 16:55:09 2006 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Tomorrow Night - MiPOesias presents Lehman, Bibbins, King In-Reply-To: <20060329212420.02C562E8003@smapp00.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <20060329215509.34408.qmail@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thursday, March 30th, at Cornelia Street Cafe @ 6:00 PM -- MiPOesias (http://www.mipoesias.com) presents: David Lehman is the author of "When a Woman Loves a Man" (poems), co-author with Jim Cummins of "Jim and Dave Defeat the Masked Man" ( sestinas), editor of "The Oxford Book of American Poetry" (April 2006), and series editor of "The Best American Poetry." Mark Bibbins teaches in the graduate writing program at The New School. His first collection of poems, Sky Lounge, was published by Graywolf Press in 2003 and received a Lambda Literary Award. He was a 2005 fellow in poetry for the New York Foundation for the Arts. Amy King is the author of Antidotes for an Alibi (Blazvox Books), a Lambda Book Award finalist, and the chapbook, The People Instruments (Pavement Saw Press Chapbook Award 2002). She teaches Creative Writing and English at Nassau Community College on Long Island and is the managing editor for the journal, MiPOesias. ___________________________________ The Cornelia Street Caf? ? 29 Cornelia Street, NYC 10014 ? 212-989-9319 http://www.corneliastreetcafe.com/ ___________________________________ By Subway A, C, E, B, D, F & V TRAINS Get on the south end of the train. Take the train to the West 4th Street stop. Exit at West 3rd Street. Walk one block north to 4th Street. Make an acute left onto Cornelia Street. 1 & 9 TRAINS Take the train to the Sheridan Square stop. Walk 21/2 blocks east on West 4th Street. Make a right onto Cornelia Street. By Car 7th Avenue South to Bleecker, left on Bleecker, Cornelia Street is the second street on the left. We're in the middle of the block. There is on the Street metered parking until 10pm. After 10pm it's free. There are 2 parking garages in the neighborhood, one on Morton Street, accessible from 7th Avenue ( go past Bleecker Street to Morton Street). It's on the left. Another parking garage is on 3rd Street, East of 6th Avenue (Avenue of the Americas). --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lcr64 at rogers.com Wed Mar 29 18:21:39 2006 From: lcr64 at rogers.com (LCR) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:21:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] I'll Be Seeing You In Rockland, In Apple Blossom Time In-Reply-To: <20060329145514.C8F292E8003@smapp00.siteprotect.com> References: <20060329145514.C8F292E8003@smapp00.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: On 29-Mar-06, at 9:55 AM, wrote: > Does this strike anyone else as weird? If you type "I'm with you in" > into Google, it will give you "I'm With You In Rockland" as its first > choice of suggested destinations. > > ? > > If you select "I'm With You In Rockland" it will take you to a whole > page of possible destinations, none of which relate to Allen Ginsberg. > > ? > > Tad > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And I don't know if I'm ever coming home. Take the last train to Rockland And I'll see you in a bit We'll have dreams and adorations And that sensitive bullshit I wanna blow, oh ho ho ho! And I dnon't know if I'm ever coming home. On Wed Mar 29 14:30 , 'Chris Stroffolino ' sent: Re: [New-Poetry] I'll Be Seeing You In Rockland, In Apple Blossom Time Maybe if somebody googled "Don't Go Back to Rockville" ---------- From: To: "New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu" Subject: [New-Poetry] I'll Be Seeing You In Rockland, In Apple Blossom Time Date: Wed, Mar 29, 2006, 6:55 AM Does this strike anyone else as weird? If you type "I'm with you in" into Google, it will give you "I'm With You In Rockland" as its first choice of suggested destinations. If you select "I'm With You In Rockland" it will take you to a whole page of possible destinations, none of which relate to Allen Ginsberg. Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cstroffo at earthlink.net Wed Mar 29 18:41:18 2006 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino ) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:41:18 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] I'll Be Seeing You In GOOGLE" Message-ID: <200603292314.k2TNBiqJ100260@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> what if you type "i'm with you in GOOGLE"? under that upple sucking tree, uh huh.... ---------- >From: LCR >To: opus40-01 at opus40.org, "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I'll Be Seeing You In Rockland, In Apple Blossom Time >Date: Wed, Mar 29, 2006, 3:21 PM > > > On 29-Mar-06, at 9:55 AM, wrote: > > Does this strike anyone else as weird? If you type "I'm with you in" into > Google, it will give you "I'm With You In Rockland" as its first choice of > suggested destinations. > > ? > > If you select "I'm With You In Rockland" it will take you to a whole page > of possible destinations, none of which relate to Allen Ginsberg. > > ? > > Tad > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 11:18:22 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:18:22 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Memory Message-ID: <648208b60603300818q7c63d101pf5678e1f9da22c9@mail.gmail.com> In print again, Memory, by Laura Jensen (originally published in 1982): Contemporary Classics Series from Carnegie Mellon Press, with new art and photograph. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Mar 30 11:26:53 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:26:53 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Memory In-Reply-To: <648208b60603300818q7c63d101pf5678e1f9da22c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60603300818q7c63d101pf5678e1f9da22c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <654513FA-23E5-4F72-B465-C46F7DF73F5D@ripon.edu> Good news. A real undersung talent, I think, though sad to say I haven't kept up with her much in recent years--aside from appearances in *Salt River Review*. What are her most recent books? Her collection *Bad Boats* made my head explode back in grad school; I'd never read anything like it, and still haven't. I do have the original Dragon Gate edition of *Memory*, which remains a beauty. On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:18 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > In print again, Memory, by Laura Jensen (originally published in > 1982): Contemporary Classics Series from Carnegie Mellon Press, with > new art and photograph. > > -- Jim > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then the morning ends and it's noon and your head hurts and you're screaming, pounding the keyboard b/c for some reason, the spellchecker isn't working, which really isn't that big of a deal except for the fact that the lack of spellchecking points to some bigger problem with your computer, which probably suggests that you'll have to reinstall the whole thing, which you don't want to do b/c last time you did it, you lost have of the files in your "Poems & Drafts" folder? Then you go to take a shower and realize that the hot water heater isn't working, either? Jeff Newberry -- "Lions and tigers and . . . wombats? Oh, my." Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The drifting > logs are good: they are taking their punishment. > But the bad boats are ready to be bad, > to overturn in water, to demolish the swagger > and the sway. They are bad boats > because they cannot wind their own rope > or guide themselves neatly close to the wharf. > In their egomania they are glad > for the burden of the storm the men are shirking > when they go for their coffee and yawn. > They are bad boats and they hate their anchors. > > --Laura Jensen. Bad Boats. Ecco Press, 1977. > > That's why I'm on my third Boston Whaler. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 13:22:28 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:22:28 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Ever Have one of those Mornings? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0603300914r57e32562u6b21ba4e289282bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0603300914r57e32562u6b21ba4e289282bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60603301022g754f2703x6849f28777d63bc1@mail.gmail.com> Mornings? I've had *years* like that. But, take heart: I'm still here despite them. - Jim On 3/30/06, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Where you spend three hours writing, averaging perhaps a half page of crappy > prose an hour? > > Then the morning ends and it's noon and your head hurts and you're > screaming, pounding the keyboard b/c for some reason, the spellchecker isn't > working, which really isn't that big of a deal except for the fact that the > lack of spellchecking points to some bigger problem with your computer, > which probably suggests that you'll have to reinstall the whole thing, which > you don't want to do b/c last time you did it, you lost have of the files in > your "Poems & Drafts" folder? > > Then you go to take a shower and realize that the hot water heater isn't > working, either? > > > Jeff Newberry > > -- > > "Lions and tigers and . . . wombats? Oh, my." > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Mar 30 13:38:20 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:38:20 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Ever Have one of those Mornings? References: <731bb17a0603300914r57e32562u6b21ba4e289282bf@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60603301022g754f2703x6849f28777d63bc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a901c65429$1e9f3360$d5d83052@ANNY> me? Decades... From: "James Cervantes" &,Views" > Mornings? I've had *years* like that. But, take heart: I'm still > here despite them. > > - Jim > > On 3/30/06, Jeff Newberry wrote: >> Where you spend three hours writing, averaging perhaps a half page of >> crappy >> prose an hour? >> >> Then the morning ends and it's noon and your head hurts and you're >> screaming, pounding the keyboard b/c for some reason, the spellchecker >> isn't >> working, which really isn't that big of a deal except for the fact that >> the >> lack of spellchecking points to some bigger problem with your computer, >> which probably suggests that you'll have to reinstall the whole thing, >> which >> you don't want to do b/c last time you did it, you lost have of the files >> in >> your "Poems & Drafts" folder? >> >> Then you go to take a shower and realize that the hot water heater isn't >> working, either? >> >> >> Jeff Newberry >> >> -- >> >> "Lions and tigers and . . . wombats? Oh, my." >> >> Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ From cervantes.james at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 14:03:59 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:03:59 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Memory In-Reply-To: <654513FA-23E5-4F72-B465-C46F7DF73F5D@ripon.edu> References: <648208b60603300818q7c63d101pf5678e1f9da22c9@mail.gmail.com> <654513FA-23E5-4F72-B465-C46F7DF73F5D@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <648208b60603301103q17a34519tf613fe7bcebf97a0@mail.gmail.com> Nothing recent. There were a spate of books in a short period, with Shelter, A Sky Without Orion, and Memory all coming out in the early to mid-80s, plus a couple of chapbooks. In 1979, I published The Story Makes Them Whole as Vol. 3 of the Inland Boat Pamphlet Series, while I was publishing Porch magazine. Laura is sui generis. - Jim On 3/30/06, David Graham wrote: > Good news. A real undersung talent, I think, though sad to say I > haven't kept up with her much in recent years--aside from appearances > in *Salt River Review*. What are her most recent books? > > Her collection *Bad Boats* made my head explode back in grad school; > I'd never read anything like it, and still haven't. > > I do have the original Dragon Gate edition of *Memory*, which remains > a beauty. > > > On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:18 AM, James Cervantes wrote: > > > In print again, Memory, by Laura Jensen (originally published in > > 1982): Contemporary Classics Series from Carnegie Mellon Press, with > > new art and photograph. > > > > -- Jim > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ========================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ========================================== > > > > > From cstroffo at earthlink.net Thu Mar 30 15:25:20 2006 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino ) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:25:20 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ever Have one of those Mornings? Message-ID: <200603301958.k2UJuklp048784@pimout4-ext.prodigy.net> yeah, but what would a happy opposite of this be? ---------- From: "Jeff Newberry" To: NewPoetry Subject: [New-Poetry] Ever Have one of those Mornings? Date: Thu, Mar 30, 2006, 9:14 AM Where you spend three hours writing, averaging perhaps a half page of crappy prose an hour? Then the morning ends and it's noon and your head hurts and you're screaming, pounding the keyboard b/c for some reason, the spellchecker isn't working, which really isn't that big of a deal except for the fact that the lack of spellchecking points to some bigger problem with your computer, which probably suggests that you'll have to reinstall the whole thing, which you don't want to do b/c last time you did it, you lost have of the files in your "Poems & Drafts" folder? Then you go to take a shower and realize that the hot water heater isn't working, either? Jeff Newberry -- "Lions and tigers and . . . wombats? Oh, my." 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Bad Boats. Ecco Press, 1977. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Mar 31 11:17:14 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:17:14 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: [Jensen's Clouds In-Reply-To: <003f01c654de$26bb7490$89df3052@ANNY> Message-ID: The Complex Mechanism of the Up There is nothing ordinary in the garden. The varieties are under the loose soil, a swarm already stationary, don't cry when you see it, out of gratitude. Your flushed checks are looking at the sorrow in the earth, the beautiful scent of standing. It is hard to believe so much sadness, don't blame yourself, you have seen it carrying daffodils into a gong, then silence. Listen, nothing can stop speaking, her dress is rustling, he coughs, couples rattle in the beams of the camera. The sun deadens once again to no color. If the links of the fence have an error I am afraid I must go with them. I must say I am grateful, and never let go. --Laura Jensen. Bad Boats. Ecco Press, 1977. On 3/31/06 10:14 AM, "Anny Ballardini" wrote: > MORE > > Please >> ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "David Graham" Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:33 PM > Courtesy of Jim Cervantes's *Salt River Review*: > > http://www.poetserv.org/SRR24/jensen.html > > http://www.poetserv.org/SRR16/jensen.html > > http://www.poetserv.org/SRR15/jensen.html > > http://www.poetserv.org/SRR21/jensen.html > > http://www.poetserv.org/SRR14/jensen.html > > http://www.poetserv.org/SRR4/SRR4_jensen.html > > http://www.poetserv.org/SRR1/Jensen.html > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== From halvard at earthlink.net Fri Mar 31 14:23:26 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:23:26 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Frank O'Hara, "Portrait of James Joyce" Message-ID: Portrait of James Joyce riverrun,said jute,oh why the enterrrential faggus? discolum in ionic,doric or sabbatic juicecum? which wherewithal you never can to bother with the endspin of a dustweb for the categoric is a tombstone,-- dingy,discrete,and rancidulous. frost my nuts if it isnt the saint! bon giorno,aloysius,my feathermusking friend! draw up a syllogism to rest your fatass on. the birth of the blues is on today and as a special intermission feature we have an exhibition of syncopated menstruation. interested? knew you would be,you old bastard,you. pushaw,man,scratch not thy palm,as it says in genesodus, lest the seeds of masturchism be sown therein. cant beat the goodbook,can you? jesus i thought id come in my pants reading about oompha. but to get back to the subject, forbisnits thy furgumbang? disnits? just what i told the old lady and she said i had the clap. funny world,eh? unh? ummmmmmmmmmmmm,salty... that teresa mustave been a good one. spiritual quality,you say? recited rimbaud while you are--oyes i get indigestion too. of course youre not abnorman,al. a bit of the socratic nymphus mixed with the phrygian phallus is all and not a goddamn thing wrong with it. adds spice id say. what? not dithyrambic but rather tocuscular. the mixolydian anapest has a definitely libidinous connotation. purge it.yes.purge. such a flowerous floaping flabber. like the thick ooze of diarrheal defecation. kill them all for all i give a shit. havent lived long enough to know what theyve missed. let it float in the gutters.remind people to go to church. does em good.little blood never hurt anybody. except a virgin--thought youd like that one,al. oh sure.well shake it easy.bon giorno. and then the ferrulatus fell crushing the mass of titblooms so soft salacious caress and i cried.hours.not wept. crief. like liffey. and im just a stone. i lost it all you see. now i just watch riverrs, and wish it was me. 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The body takes the throat like an enemy tower. At the end of the tunnel the moon sees me crippled and the sun sees me horribly deformed. There has been hysteria shaking the leaves of the willow. >From far off I hear you be as hail rattles on a board fence, as the telephone wires take the snow to be a mountain. - Laura Jensen, Anxiety and Ashes, The Penumbra Press, 1976, Lisbon, Iowa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From JforJames at aol.com Fri Mar 31 18:57:18 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:57:18 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: David Young Message-ID: <2af.e7c5cc.315f1bde@aol.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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