From anny.ballardini Thu Jun 1 14:26:26 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:26:26 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] blogs Message-ID: <005401c685a8$e693e590$2bab3252@ANNY> For those who do not know it yet, here is Alan Sondheim's blog: http://nikuko.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Prose broken into lines, and unimaginatively. Interesting site. I took Moss over Muldoon, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] cyber poetry bout http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060530/BREAKINGNEWS/605300335/-1/NEWS02 Poets in cyberspace By Mark Hinson DEMOCRAT STAFF WRITER Poets in cyberspace On your mark, get set - write a poem. Florida State University writing professor, poet and novelist Julianna Baggott will square off with former United States Poet Laureate Robert Pinsky in a live poetry-writing contest at 9:30 p.m. today on the Internet. 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Very obscure and difficult, I thought. I should mention that the girl who ws runner-up went out on 'weltschmerz'....that's gotta be a world of pain. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard Fri Jun 2 10:35:45 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:35:45 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Girl Wins Spelling Bee with 'ursprache' In-Reply-To: <46e.278e378.31b1a4e9@aol.com> References: <46e.278e378.31b1a4e9@aol.com> Message-ID: <6F0FB4FF-F6A9-4D34-AB76-D946BE90513A@earthlink.net> On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:27 AM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > Some of the words the kids were faced with were just unbelievable. > Very obscure and difficult, I thought. > I should mention that the girl who ws runner-up went out > on 'weltschmerz'....that's gotta be a world of pain. > Finnegan More and more words are hard to believe. 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Suzanne On 6/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: > > > http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html > > > Tad > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard Fri Jun 2 11:49:29 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:49:29 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times In-Reply-To: <000e01c68650$b3efa310$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> References: <3ee.31f1165.31b1a359@aol.com> <000e01c68650$b3efa310$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <076D48D1-6658-4B22-9F68-63B89BB75644@earthlink.net> Great article, Tad. To get publicity like that some folks have to take their clothes off. Hmm. Hal On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:27 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > > http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html > > > Tad > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry "What do I know of man's destiny? I could tell you more about radishes." --Samuel Beckett Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Suzanne On 6/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From amyhappens Fri Jun 2 13:46:17 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times In-Reply-To: <005c01c68663$cd495fa0$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <20060602174617.88361.qmail@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is just incredible. And close enough to visit. Please let us know if they open it for tours. This feat reminds me of Baldasare Forestiere over there in California: "Like the name implies, these gardens are underground. Working alone during his spare time and using only hand tools, Baldasare Forestiere spent some 40 years sculpting an underground complex consisting of ..." http://www.undergroundgardens.com/ Lucky you, Tad! TheOldMole wrote: Suzanne -- it remains an inspiration, always. And taught me the most valuable lesson I've learned about art -- that it's never just conceptual -- the most important parts of it come in the making. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Burns To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times Wow. You saw this being built. I am in awe. Suzanne On 6/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Fri Jun 2 13:55:46 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:55:46 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times References: <20060602174617.88361.qmail@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e501c6866d$c6c4a090$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Amy - we're open on Fri-Sat-Sun 10-5, but I'm always here. Email me if you ever want to come during the week. That goes for all other newpos, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: amy king To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times This is just incredible. And close enough to visit. Please let us know if they open it for tours. This feat reminds me of Baldasare Forestiere over there in California: "Like the name implies, these gardens are underground. Working alone during his spare time and using only hand tools, Baldasare Forestiere spent some 40 years sculpting an underground complex consisting of ..." http://www.undergroundgardens.com/ Lucky you, Tad! TheOldMole wrote: Suzanne -- it remains an inspiration, always. And taught me the most valuable lesson I've learned about art -- that it's never just conceptual -- the most important parts of it come in the making. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Burns To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times Wow. You saw this being built. I am in awe. Suzanne On 6/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Please let us know if they open it for tours. This feat reminds me of Baldasare Forestiere over there in California: "Like the name implies, these gardens are underground. Working alone during his spare time and using only hand tools, Baldasare Forestiere spent some 40 years sculpting an underground complex consisting of ..." http://www.undergroundgardens.com/ Lucky you, Tad! TheOldMole wrote: Suzanne -- it remains an inspiration, always. And taught me the most valuable lesson I've learned about art -- that it's never just conceptual -- the most important parts of it come in the making. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Burns To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times Wow. You saw this being built. I am in awe. Suzanne On 6/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Fri Jun 2 18:24:40 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:24:40 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times Message-ID: <2e3.7a9b9df.31b214a8@aol.com> I've got to get to Opus 40 myself...I don't live that far away...I never knew about these Forestiere gardens in Fresno. They look very intriquing too. Do people know about Storm King sculpture park, also in the Hudson Valley?... _http://www.stormking.org/_ (http://www.stormking.org/) I have been here, and well worth the vist, I thought.... _http://www.torhouse.org/tours.htm_ (http://www.torhouse.org/tours.htm) Not really like Opus 40...but built by the hands of poet...Robinson Jeffers' Tor House in Carmel, CA. (http://www.stormking.org/) Finnegan In a message dated 6/2/2006 1:49:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amyhappens at yahoo.com writes: This is just incredible. And close enough to visit. Please let us know if they open it for tours. This feat reminds me of Baldasare Forestiere over there in California: "Like the name implies, these gardens are underground. 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Spencer Tunick did a shoot here. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Halvard Johnson > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > *Sent:* Friday, June 02, 2006 11:49 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times > > Great article, Tad. To get publicity like that some folks have to take > their clothes off. > > Hmm. > > Hal > > On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:27 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > > > http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html > > > Tad > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > "What do I know of man's destiny? I could > tell you more about radishes." > --Samuel Beckett > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chanting your wet dreams as if they would dissolve the Pentagon, you bombed the White House with squads of paper airplanes, scribbled all over with holy jokes --to no avail, no avail, you big phony failure, you stand up comic singing off key in eternity's lounge, raking in prizes like Miss America, sprawling all over the anthologies at last. Yes, you were queer, start to finish in every way, jabbering stowaway on the flound'ring ship of State, crazy angel of the honorarium, philosopher goat. Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish and their sudden shafts of pure sun warming the forest floor . . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Sat Jun 3 15:17:50 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:17:50 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <010301c68742$68347f20$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Nice. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he died: Goodbye Allen Ginsberg Old truth-goof, garrulous and canny crow, finally you're at one with polluted skies, sidewalk grit, neon buzzing messages to the Absolute, all those clippings of your face candidly sweet, decently weary, all your archives and footnotes and tapes full of scat. . . . What use the FBI, CIA keeping tabs on your slant self? What did they ever learn you hadn't already published? You printed come cries, vanities and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust and despair hard as a curb. Farts of savvy delirium. Chanting your wet dreams as if they would dissolve the Pentagon, you bombed the White House with squads of paper airplanes, scribbled all over with holy jokes --to no avail, no avail, you big phony failure, you stand up comic singing off key in eternity's lounge, raking in prizes like Miss America, sprawling all over the anthologies at last. Yes, you were queer, start to finish in every way, jabbering stowaway on the flound'ring ship of State, crazy angel of the honorarium, philosopher goat. Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish and their sudden shafts of pure sun warming the forest floor . . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini Sat Jun 3 15:41:59 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:41:59 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> <010301c68742$68347f20$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <004e01c68745$c7f0fb70$d9aa3252@ANNY> A poem that reveals a new style of David Graham, I like it. I remember when Ginsberg died I met this frail intellectual, only son of a good family, who teaches Italian and writes for newspapers and spoke of all the prime ministers of Italy as if they were his uncles, and one even was or had adopted him as his nephew. And it surprised me that he should talk of G. in that way and I thought I saw that he was carrying a little lit bag, like an upside down light bulb under his left wrist, and as soon as he finished, he hid it back again inside. From: TheOldMole Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:17 PM Nice. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he died: Goodbye Allen Ginsberg Old truth-goof, garrulous and canny crow, finally you're at one with polluted skies, sidewalk grit, neon buzzing messages to the Absolute, all those clippings of your face candidly sweet, decently weary, all your archives and footnotes and tapes full of scat. . . . What use the FBI, CIA keeping tabs on your slant self? What did they ever learn you hadn't already published? You printed come cries, vanities and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust and despair hard as a curb. Farts of savvy delirium. Chanting your wet dreams as if they would dissolve the Pentagon, you bombed the White House with squads of paper airplanes, scribbled all over with holy jokes --to no avail, no avail, you big phony failure, you stand up comic singing off key in eternity's lounge, raking in prizes like Miss America, sprawling all over the anthologies at last. Yes, you were queer, start to finish in every way, jabbering stowaway on the flound'ring ship of State, crazy angel of the honorarium, philosopher goat. Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish and their sudden shafts of pure sun warming the forest floor . . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From JforJames Sun Jun 4 14:44:12 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:44:12 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Pebbles' and 'Assays', Sunken Garden series kicks off... Message-ID: <488.219c4a7.31b483fc@aol.com> _http://www.courant.com/features/booksmags/hc-janehirshfield0604.artjun04,0,35 9062.story_ (http://www.courant.com/features/booksmags/hc-janehirshfield0604.artjun04,0,359062.story) Poet Hirshfield Brings Her 'Pebbles' and 'Assays' To Sunken Garden By CAROLE GOLDBERG Courant Books Editor June 4 2006 Although she has never been there, Jane Hirshfield knows just what to expect at the Hill-Stead Museum in Farmington on Thursday, where she will open the 15th season of the Sunken Garden Poetry Festival. "I always find that every reading I give brings unexpected intimacies and exchanges" with the audience, Hirshfield says in a phone interview from her home in the San Francisco Bay area. "The loveliness of having the poem, the reader and the writer in the same conversation is always fresh. And I'm stunned by the exceptional gifts of some locations" where she has read, such as Utah's Red Rocks desert and Dove Cottage, the home of William Wordsworth in England. Hirshfield, whose spare but startling poems often take inspiration from the natural world as well as fine art, will appreciate the exceptional beauty of Hill-Stead, which is known for its 152 acres of lush gardens and meadows and a stunning collection of impressionist art by Monet, Manet, Degas and others in the restored 1901 Colonial Revival mansion that was the home of architect Theodate Pope Riddle and her parents. The museum, at 35 Mountain Road, will host six outdoor readings at its annual summer festival, featuring nationally known poets and winners of national and local competitions, along with music, every other Thursday through Aug. 17. Hirshfield's 7:30 p.m. reading with be preceded by South American jazz by the Marta G?mez Quartet at 6:30. The grounds open at 5:30. Should it rain, the program will be held under a tent. New handicap access that meets federal standards has been added to the Sunken Garden area. (See accompanying story on Page G4.) What audiences at such events gain, Hirshfield says, is the same thing she gets from reading works by other poets. "Poetry," she says, "magnifies and increases our comprehension of what it is to be a human being. Poems name an experience that is resonating and subtle and can be named by only that particular set of words." Its goal is nothing less than "the alteration and transformation of self." Hirshfield, grew up in New York, graduated from Princeton University and has published six volumes of poetry and an essay collection. A recipient of many major honors, including an Academy of American Poets fellowship, a Poetry Center Book Award and California Book Award, she frequently travels back to the East Coast to work on her poems, at retreats such as Yaddo in Saratoga Springs, N.Y., but fears she has lost her pacing as a New Yorker. "I was house-sitting in Manhattan and was at the Fairway and could not choose among the cheesecakes," she laments. "It was startling to feel that I was not a New Yorker anymore." Hirshfield's latest collection is "After" (HarperCollins, $23.95), poems written following a period in which she suffered personal losses. It contains, among others, poems she calls "assays" and "pebbles," dissimilar forms that nevertheless encourage the same thing: "thinking and feeling through observing something." The assays, which may be about people or concepts or even a single word, tend to move from the theoretical to the concrete, while the shorter pebbles begin with a specific image and expand to a universal concept, as in "Maple": The lake scarlets the same instant as the maple. Let others try to say this is not passion. Her pebbles poems, Hirshfield says, "are very short and similar to the Eastern tradition I love. They have a brevity and dryness and concision and can be funny or serious. In the book, they come like a flurry of hailstones, but were written as individual poems." The assays, which began when she wrote a meditative poem about Edgar Allan Poe, occupy the "borderline between criticism, prose and poetry. They have a different note, a different timbre," she says. "It's the border between thinking with feeling and feeling with thinking." She writes of Poe: ... What could simply be seen, named, described was not his interest. Half-close your eyes, he advised, to double the world. The process of a discovery accomplished was his interest, Its after-savoring his appetite and pleasure.... Having lived for several years at the Tassajara Zen Mountain Monastery in California, Hirshfield has been influenced by its philosophy, which informs the spareness of her poetry and the clarity that reveals unexpected depths. But, she says, her audience does not need to have studied Zen Buddhism to understand her poems. Hirshfield's work, says Alison Meyers, who is now in her seventh summer as artistic director of the poetry festival, "has a surface simplicity and deals with the daily details of life, the familiar," yet is profound. Every good poem, Meyers says, has "the turn, the surprise - and that's Jane's specialty." It's Meyer's job to select the poets who will read at Hill-Stead each year. She often attends the Dodge Poetry Festival in Stanhope, N.J., the largest event of its kind in the country, to scout poets for Sunken Garden. She heard Hirshfield there two years ago and knew she would be an excellent choice. "It's always a critical element to hear a poet read," Meyers says. "Sunken Garden has a loving and loyal audience that may not have any other poetry experience all year. It's a personal experience for them and we choose poets who are decipherable on the first hearing." The poets are selected "in the context of what is good for Hill-Stead and that comes back to the Hill-Stead audience," Meyers says. Hirshfield says one of the great rewards of writing poems is experiencing the creative process known as "flow." "For me," she says, "it is the great desirable state of being to fall into my work and to not know what is happening and then to find out what will happen next. That state is the core - it's what we were made for. It's a mystery. It's where discoveries come from." While surveys suggest that Americans are reading less and that poetry is far down on the list of favorite genres, Hirshfield says that is not borne out by the reception her work receives. And, she says, festivals such as Sunken Garden help poetry thrive by offering a place to hear well-selected works. "People are avid for what poetry offers," she says. "It's a counterweight to economic and power and survival questions. "Poetry is doing its work in the culture. I have no fear for poetry." Reach Carole _Goldberg at cgoldberg at courant.com_ (mailto:Goldberg at cgoldberg at courant.com) Copyright 2006, Hartford Courant -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tad Sun Jun 4 17:41:37 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:41:37 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Turkish poetry in translation References: <247.c3d411a.31b4876c@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c6881f$a8a076d0$6b01a8c0@OldMoleExpress> I love this. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Turkish poetry in translation http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~sibel/poetry/translation.html Who's on the side of poetry Governments and armies dislike poetry Holy books, prophets and laws dislike poetry Philosophers shrink from poetry For poetry will steal philosophy's bread Virgin nuns secretly fondle poetry But poetry does not care: it owes nothing to no one It brews a storm in the steps of history and walks its own way Poetry loves all --Ozkan Mert Translated from the Turkish By Feyyaz Kayacan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsillima Mon Jun 5 10:04:30 2006 From: rsillima (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060605140430.99503.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Proprioception Charles Olson???s other major manifesto On 750,000 weblog visitors A shout out to Zoe Strauss, Sylvia Legris, Catherine Wagner, and Robin Kemp The sexual politics of Projective Verse reading DuPlessis reading Olson Charles Olson, Objectivism & T.S. Eliot Breathing the syllable in Charles Olson???s ???Projective Verse??? Eliot Weinberger on New Directions Timothy Yu, Pamela Lu and Asian-American anthologies Some links: Margaret Rockwell Finch and her daughter Annie Five Afghani women poets Derek Walcott, Seamus Heaney Blogging and the First Amendment The DFA-List Democracy for America organizes progressive fundraising Andrew Schelling on New Directions Eliot Weinberger on New Directions Gilbert Sorrentino as critic Charles Olson on the syllable The simplest things last ??? Simplicities in Olson???s Projective Verse Mei-mei???s house, a 102-year-old poet and other miscellany More on lists including Playboy???s 25 sexiest novels (a note from Pam Rosenthal) Fetch Rae Armantrout???s new chapbook The uneven history of New Directions and its commitment to Pound-Williams tradition http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From mandolin Mon Jun 5 19:48:16 2006 From: mandolin (Michael Snider) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:48:16 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg In-Reply-To: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Wonderful, David! On Jun 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, David Graham wrote: > Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he > died: > > > Goodbye Allen Ginsberg > > Old truth-goof, garrulous > and canny crow, finally > you're at one with polluted skies, > sidewalk grit, neon buzzing > messages to the Absolute, > > all those clippings of your face > candidly sweet, decently weary, > all your archives and footnotes > and tapes full of scat. . . . > > What use the FBI, CIA > keeping tabs on your slant self? > What did they ever learn > you hadn't already published? > > You printed come cries, vanities > and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust > and despair hard as a curb. > Farts of savvy delirium. > > Chanting your wet dreams > as if they would dissolve > the Pentagon, you bombed > the White House with squads > of paper airplanes, scribbled > all over with holy jokes > > --to no avail, no avail, > you big phony failure, > you stand up comic singing off key > in eternity's lounge, raking in > prizes like Miss America, sprawling > all over the anthologies at last. > > Yes, you were queer, start to finish > in every way, jabbering stowaway > on the flound'ring ship of State, > crazy angel of the honorarium, > philosopher goat. > > Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, > goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish > and their sudden shafts of pure sun > warming the forest floor . . . . > > > ========================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ========================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From bobgrumman Mon Jun 5 20:36:33 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:36:33 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <00b301c68901$46246240$53b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> > Wonderful, David! Yes, a good one. A Ginsberg better than any Ginsberg. --Bob G. > On Jun 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he >> died: >> >> >> Goodbye Allen Ginsberg >> >> Old truth-goof, garrulous >> and canny crow, finally >> you're at one with polluted skies, >> sidewalk grit, neon buzzing >> messages to the Absolute, >> >> all those clippings of your face >> candidly sweet, decently weary, >> all your archives and footnotes >> and tapes full of scat. . . . >> >> What use the FBI, CIA >> keeping tabs on your slant self? >> What did they ever learn >> you hadn't already published? >> >> You printed come cries, vanities >> and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust >> and despair hard as a curb. >> Farts of savvy delirium. >> >> Chanting your wet dreams >> as if they would dissolve >> the Pentagon, you bombed >> the White House with squads >> of paper airplanes, scribbled >> all over with holy jokes >> >> --to no avail, no avail, >> you big phony failure, >> you stand up comic singing off key >> in eternity's lounge, raking in >> prizes like Miss America, sprawling >> all over the anthologies at last. >> >> Yes, you were queer, start to finish >> in every way, jabbering stowaway >> on the flound'ring ship of State, >> crazy angel of the honorarium, >> philosopher goat. >> >> Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, >> goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish >> and their sudden shafts of pure sun >> warming the forest floor . . . . >> >> >> ========================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html >> Poetry Library: >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From robin.hamilton2 Tue Jun 6 06:31:01 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:31:01 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Phantom Rooster Press -- Latest Volumes Message-ID: <019301c68954$503dbf80$d82b8b56@andrew1d83eb60> The following pamphlets are now available from the Phantom Rooster Press: Patrick McManus: CEMENT AND WATER (illustrated by Judy Prince) Judy Prince: POEMS (illustrated by the author) ?3 (including UK p&P) Overseas orders, please contact the publisher to arrange terms. robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Cheques to: Robin Hamilton, 69 Rydal Ave., Loughborough, LE11 3RU From david.bircumshaw Tue Jun 6 13:21:54 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:21:54 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> <00b301c68901$46246240$53b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <001701c6898d$b6d8e6a0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> yeah, I like David's poem too, rather more than I like Ginsberg's or the character that comes across as 'Ginsberg'. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Grumman" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg > > > > Wonderful, David! > > Yes, a good one. A Ginsberg better than any Ginsberg. > > --Bob G. > > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, David Graham wrote: > > > >> Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he > >> died: > >> > >> > >> Goodbye Allen Ginsberg > >> > >> Old truth-goof, garrulous > >> and canny crow, finally > >> you're at one with polluted skies, > >> sidewalk grit, neon buzzing > >> messages to the Absolute, > >> > >> all those clippings of your face > >> candidly sweet, decently weary, > >> all your archives and footnotes > >> and tapes full of scat. . . . > >> > >> What use the FBI, CIA > >> keeping tabs on your slant self? > >> What did they ever learn > >> you hadn't already published? > >> > >> You printed come cries, vanities > >> and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust > >> and despair hard as a curb. > >> Farts of savvy delirium. > >> > >> Chanting your wet dreams > >> as if they would dissolve > >> the Pentagon, you bombed > >> the White House with squads > >> of paper airplanes, scribbled > >> all over with holy jokes > >> > >> --to no avail, no avail, > >> you big phony failure, > >> you stand up comic singing off key > >> in eternity's lounge, raking in > >> prizes like Miss America, sprawling > >> all over the anthologies at last. > >> > >> Yes, you were queer, start to finish > >> in every way, jabbering stowaway > >> on the flound'ring ship of State, > >> crazy angel of the honorarium, > >> philosopher goat. > >> > >> Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, > >> goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish > >> and their sudden shafts of pure sun > >> warming the forest floor . . . . > >> > >> > >> ========================================== > >> David Graham > >> grahamd at ripon.edu > >> Home Page: > >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > >> Poetry Library: > >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > >> ========================================== > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From david.bircumshaw Tue Jun 6 14:27:11 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:27:11 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu><00b301c68901$46246240$53b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <001701c6898d$b6d8e6a0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <002d01c68996$d4ef7380$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Observations: just as I am writing Sadie Smith (I think) is being congratulatory interviewed for winning the Orange Prize. Which was awarded to her at the Royal Courts of Justice. The Hay-on-Wye festival was on recently: luminaries included Seamus Heaney, Al Gore and Princess Michael of Kent. My difficulty with Ginsberg, aesthetic complaints apart ( and they are many, he was a mediocre poet) is that he was part of the very status system he attacked so much. I have the same difficulty with quite a few other contemporary or near-contemporary poets. favourite reading at the moment: Jonathan Rose 'The Intellectual Life of the British Working Classes'. It speaks to me, even +for+ me. Best Dave From grahamd Tue Jun 6 15:47:10 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:47:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Happy Birthday Ginsberg In-Reply-To: <001701c6898d$b6d8e6a0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> <00b301c68901$46246240$53b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <001701c6898d$b6d8e6a0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <5CDEFBD9-E436-4E6B-BE99-940C5DA0EDF2@ripon.edu> I appreciate all the comments on my Ginsberg poem. I guess I have mixed feelings about Ginsberg, as the poem (I hope) makes sufficiently plain. And I hope my admiration for the best of his influence is also clear. There *was* a delicious irony in his becoming, by the end of his life, such an entrenched member of the establishment that he began his career by tweaking. And from all the evidence I've seen, such irony was not lost on Ginsberg himself. It wasn't AG who had to change in order to effect this change, of course. I'll always remember fondly a reading he did at an MLA convention to celebrate the appearance of his big red Collected poems--he read "Howl" in its entirety, and then did some Blake songs with a guitar accompanist. The strangest sight I ever saw at an MLA--hundreds of tweedy professors swaying back and forth, singing Blake lyrics in a wonderfully off-key manner. No one more off-key, or more tweedy, than Ginsberg himself. But I'm not one of those who makes blanket statements about him being a poor poet. He was massively uneven, of course, even more than usual, I mean--but at his best I find him quite compelling. I think "Howl" and "Kaddish" and a respectable handful of others will live on, and that's a decent batting average for any poet. I've never found any reason to buy into the "first thought / best thought" aesthetic, which from the evidence of the work just isn't true, sadly enough. On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:21 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > yeah, I like David's poem too, rather more than I like Ginsberg's > or the > character that comes across as 'Ginsberg'. > > Best > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Grumman" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:36 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg > > >> >> >>> Wonderful, David! >> >> Yes, a good one. A Ginsberg better than any Ginsberg. >> >> --Bob G. >> >>> On Jun 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, David Graham wrote: >>> >>>> Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he >>>> died: >>>> >>>> >>>> Goodbye Allen Ginsberg >>>> >>>> Old truth-goof, garrulous >>>> and canny crow, finally >>>> you're at one with polluted skies, >>>> sidewalk grit, neon buzzing >>>> messages to the Absolute, >>>> >>>> all those clippings of your face >>>> candidly sweet, decently weary, >>>> all your archives and footnotes >>>> and tapes full of scat. . . . >>>> >>>> What use the FBI, CIA >>>> keeping tabs on your slant self? >>>> What did they ever learn >>>> you hadn't already published? >>>> >>>> You printed come cries, vanities >>>> and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust >>>> and despair hard as a curb. >>>> Farts of savvy delirium. >>>> >>>> Chanting your wet dreams >>>> as if they would dissolve >>>> the Pentagon, you bombed >>>> the White House with squads >>>> of paper airplanes, scribbled >>>> all over with holy jokes >>>> >>>> --to no avail, no avail, >>>> you big phony failure, >>>> you stand up comic singing off key >>>> in eternity's lounge, raking in >>>> prizes like Miss America, sprawling >>>> all over the anthologies at last. >>>> >>>> Yes, you were queer, start to finish >>>> in every way, jabbering stowaway >>>> on the flound'ring ship of State, >>>> crazy angel of the honorarium, >>>> philosopher goat. >>>> >>>> Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, >>>> goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish >>>> and their sudden shafts of pure sun >>>> warming the forest floor . . . . >>>> >>>> ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've of two minds about all that. . . . > > > > On Jun 6, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Just thought I'd take a minute to applaud the best things about >> the work of every poet--good, bad, and indifferent--and to >> deplore all the bad things about the same, while reserving the >> right to have mixed feelings about everything in between. >> >> Hal "A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg." --Samuel Butler Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From bobgrumman Tue Jun 6 17:10:06 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:10:06 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu><00b301c68901$46246240$53b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><001701c6898d$b6d8e6a0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <5CDEFBD9-E436-4E6B-BE99-940C5DA0EDF2@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <009501c689ad$98598930$26b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I appreciate all the comments on my Ginsberg poem. 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I don't know about anyone else but at least I might know about myself, maybe, but I don't think I ever got involved in poetry for an interest in po-biz or anything resembling it. Best, sadly Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: opus40-01 at opus40.org To: 'NewPoetry at smapp02.chicago.hostway.net : Contemporary Poetry News &Views' Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Happy Birthday Ginsberg One of the great moments in the history of TV was the episode of LA Law where they take on the case of a guy who wants to promote a poetry festival, and he gets into a partnership with a rock festival promoter. Whoever wrote it had a beautiful satiric insight into po-biz -- but anyway, by the end of the show they patch up their differences, and the poetry festival goes on, including -- and this is the great moment -- Mamie Van Doren reading "Howl." On Tue Jun 6 15:47 , David Graham sent: I appreciate all the comments on my Ginsberg poem. I guess I have mixed feelings about Ginsberg, as the poem (I hope) makes sufficiently plain. And I hope my admiration for the best of his influence is also clear. There *was* a delicious irony in his becoming, by the end of his life, such an entrenched member of the establishment that he began his career by tweaking. And from all the evidence I've seen, such irony was not lost on Ginsberg himself. It wasn't AG who had to change in order to effect this change, of course. I'll always remember fondly a reading he did at an MLA convention to celebrate the appearance of his big red Collected poems--he read "Howl" in its entirety, and then did some Blake songs with a guitar accompanist. The strangest sight I ever saw at an MLA--hundreds of tweedy professors swaying back and forth, singing Blake lyrics in a wonderfully off-key manner. No one more off-key, or more tweedy, than Ginsberg himself. But I'm not one of those who makes blanket statements about him being a poor poet. He was massively uneven, of course, even more than usual, I mean--but at his best I find him quite compelling. I think "Howl" and "Kaddish" and a respectable handful of others will live on, and that's a decent batting average for any poet. I've never found any reason to buy into the "first thought / best thought" aesthetic, which from the evidence of the work just isn't true, sadly enough. On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:21 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: yeah, I like David's poem too, rather more than I like Ginsberg's or the character that comes across as 'Ginsberg'. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Grumman" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg Wonderful, David! Yes, a good one. A Ginsberg better than any Ginsberg. --Bob G. On Jun 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, David Graham wrote: Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he died: Goodbye Allen Ginsberg Old truth-goof, garrulous and canny crow, finally you're at one with polluted skies, sidewalk grit, neon buzzing messages to the Absolute, all those clippings of your face candidly sweet, decently weary, all your archives and footnotes and tapes full of scat. . . . What use the FBI, CIA keeping tabs on your slant self? What did they ever learn you hadn't already published? You printed come cries, vanities and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust and despair hard as a curb. Farts of savvy delirium. Chanting your wet dreams as if they would dissolve the Pentagon, you bombed the White House with squads of paper airplanes, scribbled all over with holy jokes --to no avail, no avail, you big phony failure, you stand up comic singing off key in eternity's lounge, raking in prizes like Miss America, sprawling all over the anthologies at last. Yes, you were queer, start to finish in every way, jabbering stowaway on the flound'ring ship of State, crazy angel of the honorarium, philosopher goat. Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish and their sudden shafts of pure sun warming the forest floor . . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We're safe and free, A little while, to live and love, Imagining what might have been - The phone-call from the blazing tower, A last farewell on the machine, While someone sleeps another hour, Or worse, perhaps, to say goodbye And listen to each other's pain, Send helpless love across the sky, Knowing we'll never meet again, Or jump together, hand in hand, To certain death. Spared all of this For now, how well I understand That love is all, is all there is. Copyright remains with author - Copyright Wendy Cope, 2006. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Thu Jun 8 14:07:18 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:07:18 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined Message-ID: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com> _http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=12217&R =EC6821_ (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=12217&R=EC6821) Dr. Leavis, I Presume? The man who put 'critic' in 'criticism.' by Brooke Allen 05/22/2006, Volume 011, Issue 34 F.R. Leavis Essays and Documents Edited by Ian MacKillop and Richard Storer Continuum, 314 pp., $39.95 F.R. LEAVIS (1895-1978) might not have been the most influential literary critic of the 20th century--that title would probably go to T.S. Eliot, whose rather slight output of literary essays made a disproportionate impact on the intellectual world--but within academia his effect was incalculable. Leavis's career, which lasted from the 1930s to the '70s, coincided with the creation of "English" as a subject in British universities and the professionalization of literary studies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LEAVIS (1895-1978) might not have been the most influential literary > critic of the 20th century--that title would probably go to T.S. Eliot, > whose rather slight output of literary essays made a disproportionate impact > on the intellectual world--but within academia his effect was incalculable. > Leavis's career, which lasted from the 1930s to the '70s, coincided with the > creation of "English" as a subject in British universities and the > professionalization of literary studies. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From tad Thu Jun 8 18:18:01 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:18:01 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com> <648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008301c68b49$687b6ab0$6602a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Send that one to Logan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cervantes" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined > "I don't know, mama. I can't paint and I can't fuck and I'm angry all > the time. Now I know how a critic must feel." - Ellen Cherry, in > Skinny Legs and All, by Tom Robbins. > > > On 6/8/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >> http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=12217&R=EC6821 >> >> >> >> Dr. Leavis, I Presume? >> >> The man who put 'critic' in 'criticism.' >> >> by Brooke Allen >> >> 05/22/2006, Volume 011, Issue 34 >> >> >> >> >> >> F.R. Leavis >> >> Essays and Documents >> >> Edited by Ian MacKillop and Richard Storer >> >> Continuum, 314 pp., $39.95 >> >> >> >> F.R. LEAVIS (1895-1978) might not have been the most influential literary >> critic of the 20th century--that title would probably go to T.S. Eliot, >> whose rather slight output of literary essays made a disproportionate >> impact >> on the intellectual world--but within academia his effect was >> incalculable. >> Leavis's career, which lasted from the 1930s to the '70s, coincided with >> the >> creation of "English" as a subject in British universities and the >> professionalization of literary studies. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From bobgrumman Thu Jun 8 19:23:52 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:23:52 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com> <648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007a01c68b52$9c7091c0$67b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> > "I don't know, mama. I can't paint and I can't fuck and I'm angry all > the time. Now I know how a critic must feel." - Ellen Cherry, in > Skinny Legs and All, by Tom Robbins. I'm curious: is Ellen Cherry expressing the author's point of view, or is she a satire on the standard tenth-rate artist? --Bob G. From david.bircumshaw Thu Jun 8 21:54:14 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 02:54:14 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com><648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com> <008301c68b49$687b6ab0$6602a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <002201c68b67$9dab0100$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Yeah, he crippled me too. Best Dave From david.bircumshaw Fri Jun 9 09:37:18 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:37:18 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com><648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com><008301c68b49$687b6ab0$6602a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <002201c68b67$9dab0100$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <000901c68bc9$d59d6ff0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> I'll expand on this, if I can, the conditional there being subject to my being able to reproduce anything resembling coherence on this matter. As a very naive 15 year old, already twice expelled from grammar schools, living in the cultural desert of the Birmingham slums (and believe me you don't get much more in the way of cultural deserts than that) and besotted already by poetry and literature and the imaginative world it offered, I had the misfortune to collide with the works of Frank Raymond Leavis. His combination of High Moral Seriousness and dismissive verbal violence poisoned my soul, even now, over three decades later, I still find the ghost of that twat, that utter prick (note herebefore examples of it in action) springing from the nihilistic sentimental void ( all that cobblers about organic societies) it belongs in to ventriloquise through me. It is a curse. No matter what appearances might be I'm a naturally nice and non-violent guy, and this THING has infected me. It's a terribly English THING too. I dunno. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bircumshaw" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined > Yeah, he crippled me too. > > > Best > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From halvard Fri Jun 9 09:44:24 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:44:24 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" Message-ID: The Troubles of a Book The trouble of a book is first to be No thoughts to nobody, Then to lie as long unwritten As it will lie unread, Then to build word for word an author And occupy his head Until the head declares vacancy To make full publication Of running empty. The trouble of a book is secondly To keep awake and ready And listening like an innkeeper, Wishing, not wishing for a guest, Torn between hope of no rest And hope of rest. Uncertainly the pages doze And blink open to passing fingers With landlord smile, then close. The trouble of a book is thirdly To speak its sermon, then look the other way, Around commotion in the margin, Where tongue meets the eye, But claim no experience of panic, No complicity in the outcry. The ordeal of a book is to give no hint Of ordeal, to be flat and witless Of the upright sense of print. The trouble of a book is chiefly To be nothing but book outwardly; To wear binding like binding, Bury itself in book-death, Yet to feel all but book; To breathe live words, yet with the breath Of letters; to address liveliness In reading eyes, be answered with Letters and bookishness. --Laura (Riding) Jackson fr. Selected Poems: in Five Sets [London: Faber and Faber, 1970] Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard Fri Jun 9 10:27:03 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:27:03 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FYRP: Stimulus & response Message-ID: Note: The stimulus is found via the link in the first paragraph. To wit: http://www.trailofdead.com/ HJ ==== ESSAY: And You Will Know Them By the Trail of the Dumb: a Defense of Abstract Art . by Josh Ronsen A member of the Austin rock band And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead has written an essay attacking abstract and modern art. You may find the essay here. Scroll down to the May 7, 2003 entry to find it. The author of the article is not listed, but maybe it is Conrad Keely. For the sake of this article I refer to the actual author as Dead. Dead?s essay reads like it has been cribbed from every remedial attack on Modern Art since the 1913 Armory Show. Again we read the same tired accusations of ?anyone can do it,? and suffer charges of elitism since the common man doesn?t appreciate it. To prove his point, Dead shows a number of abstract paintings and old-time classics to a four-year old girl. The results are astonishing: the girl does not like the modern art, but rather likes the ?pretty? pictures. Thus it is case closed for the product of an Evergreen State College education (I?m a University of Chicago man myself; just paid off my student loans). Let?s tear down the Rothko Chapel and put up some pony paintings (c.f. http://www.njeaa.com/snowhoroilpa.html). Now a person of sharper intelligence--and I will suffer the charge of elitism by saying there aren?t many smart people out there--may question the idea of a four year old girl deciding anything about anything. Her primary concern at this point in life is when she can start wearing makeup (perhaps the most degenerate form of painting in Western culture). If we conduct Dead?s ?experiment? with the culinary arts, we may find that the four year old girl greatly prefers Twinkies and Lucky Charms to vegetables and multi-grain bread. If left unchecked, this girl would eat nothing but sweets until all her teeth become rotted and her brain infected with trillions of streptococcus mutans bacteria producing destructive behavioral patterns such as listening to the new Liz Phair record. The same thing happens with art. If left unchecked, this girl will probably spend her entire life gazing at pretty pictures and not having to think about them. ?This picture is pretty, it is a classic, can I buy it on a tote bag?? she may find herself asking one day at the poster/frame shop in the mall. I want a better future for our kids. In his 1957 essay ?the Creative Act,? Marcel Duchamp, perhaps the greatest modern artist, or at least one of the most original and daring, describes art as a three part process involving the artist, the work of art itself and thirdly, and perhaps most important, the viewer, who must engage the art work to complete it. In earlier times (in Western Civilization), art was a way of reinforcing rigid social and religious structures. In the Renaissance, the average person had no access to art unless seen in church: there were no museums, no public libraries. Art was a tool of the wealthy as another way to display their obscene wealth and social standing. This is the ?very specific function? that Dead is looking for in art. This art, mostly pretty pictures, does not directly engage the viewer intellectually. Duchamp called this art--which is so prevalent in society that only it is defined as Art--retinal art; art that plays with the eye but goes little deeper. Duchamp devoted his life to fighting the pull and attraction of this powerful force, and strove to create that which would instead play on the mind. When writing ?visual art is about ways of seeing,? Dead shows his allegiance to this simpler, easier way of life. The pile of coal which fuels Dead?s essay perfectly encapsulates his anti-intellectual bias. Dead only sees a pile of coal and passes on to us a simple surface description. By not providing the title of the piece or the artist, we cannot enter into a discussion about its merits. Perhaps it was a terrible piece, a cheap Richard Long knock off. Perhaps Dead stumbled upon the loading dock and found an actual pile of coal awaiting transfer to the furnace (much like the old joke about the uncovered electrical wall socket in the art gallery: it provokes vigorous debate until the janitor arrives and re-attaches the cover). Perhaps it was a masterpiece by Robert Smithon. Dead effectively shuts down dialogue and debate before it can begin. Who can argue with ?a pile of coal?? Who could argue if I reduce the Mona Lisa to ?colored pigments on wood? or a piece of music to ?patterns of air pressure?? Dead sees, but he does not think. Dead?s historical argument doesn?t hold any water, which is no surprise. The art survey course I assume he took at Evergreen State College (?studying art on a theoretical level??) didn?t and couldn?t expose him to the true basis of representational painting. Dead claims ?even the first paintings done on caves were not abstract or exercises in self-indulgence, but beautifully, sometimes sublimely realistic representations.? This smacks of an art survey course at someplace like Evergreen State College where teachers drunk on Enlightenment fallacies like Rousseau's "all men are born free" argue the grace and purity of primitive man. Their basic argument is that the cave painters, being so in tune with nature and free from Evil Society, create paintings so ?beautiful? that they still speak to us thousands of years later. Lucy Lippard, in her book ?Overlay: Contemporary Art and the Art of Prehistory,? writes of those ?who glorify nature and the distant past, using them as reactionary propaganda to send people back to their proper places, their proper classes, their proper gender roles.? [pg.9] These art survey teachers, and I assume Dead as well, are angry that their pretty pony paintings lost out to an abstract concept piece at the Evergreen State College Art Fair. Lippard later describes certain ancient wall carvings as ?randomly patterned with [concentric circles, seemingly very abstract], some with comet-like trails. Such marks are particularly mysterious since they are found all over the world.? This shows that primitive artists did make abstract, random works and were not totally involved with representational art. Dead doesn?t understand the cave painters (or, for that matter, caves: one paints IN caves, ON cave walls; one does not paint ?on caves.?). What are the cave paintings really about? I will tell you. Lacking silverware, because they didn?t have society to tell them to use a fork, primitive man ripped apart their prey with their hands. Their hands became bloody and, not being complete savages, they had a desire to wipe off the blood. Where did they do this? On the walls of their caves. That is right, these first paintings, so described in public by Dead as ?beautiful? and ?sublimely realistic? were nothing but bloody hand turkeys, the same hand turkeys that are used even today to indoctrinate small children (like Dead?s young friend) into representational painting and the allure of ?pretty? pictures. All of what Dead considers to be Art can be traced back to this most simple and insidious form of art, the hand turkey. The line is clear. Art and Life offer a wide range of experiences, ideas and beauties, some not obvious, taking time and effort to discover. To devalue something because it is not easily swallowed by the ?uneducated? (Dead?s word) masses is stupidity piled upon ignorance. Ask the average Texas country bumpkin what he thinks about Indian cuisine or music. He?s not going to sit for a minute of sitar playing. That doesn?t make it any less worthwhile. The same goes for abstract art. Abstract art is needed, desperately needed because it can force the mind to think, to experience something new, to find the poetry within life. As Rabbi Abraham Itshaq Kook wrote: ?May misfortune fall on he who wants to remove the poetic aspect of life, he loses the very savor of this life and all its truth.? >>Josh Ronsen is publisher of Monk Mink Pink Punk. He is a multi- instrumentalist (guitar, clarinet, electronics, computer, piano, cello) in Austin, Texas and his sound work appears on over two dozen records. He also publishes the Austinnitus electronic newsletter.>> at http://home.grandecom.net/~jronsen/mmpp11/abstract.html "There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james Fri Jun 9 10:40:24 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:40:24 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined In-Reply-To: <007a01c68b52$9c7091c0$67b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com> <648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com> <007a01c68b52$9c7091c0$67b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <648208b60606090740h57fee6eaq1a0f6d3029abfc9b@mail.gmail.com> On 6/8/06, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > > "I don't know, mama. I can't paint and I can't fuck and I'm angry all > > the time. Now I know how a critic must feel." - Ellen Cherry, in > > Skinny Legs and All, by Tom Robbins. > > I'm curious: is Ellen Cherry expressing the author's point of view, or is > she a satire on the standard tenth-rate artist? All the characters are . . . caricatures, and satirical to this or that degree. The character of Ellen Cherry is pure artist, whether the final product is good, bad, or indifferent. It's a fun read and plays with serious matters, such as the patriarchal/Christian subversion of the matriarchal/Dionysian mind set. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From cervantes.james Fri Jun 9 10:41:38 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:41:38 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60606090741vc66f021w6db3f62241f357ed@mail.gmail.com> Gotta like those last four lines. - Jim On 6/9/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > > The Troubles of a Book > > The trouble of a book is first to be > No thoughts to nobody, > Then to lie as long unwritten > As it will lie unread, > Then to build word for word an author > And occupy his head > Until the head declares vacancy > To make full publication > Of running empty. > > The trouble of a book is secondly > To keep awake and ready > And listening like an innkeeper, > Wishing, not wishing for a guest, > Torn between hope of no rest > And hope of rest. > Uncertainly the pages doze > And blink open to passing fingers > With landlord smile, then close. > > The trouble of a book is thirdly > To speak its sermon, then look the other way, > Around commotion in the margin, > Where tongue meets the eye, > But claim no experience of panic, > No complicity in the outcry. > The ordeal of a book is to give no hint > Of ordeal, to be flat and witless > Of the upright sense of print. > > The trouble of a book is chiefly > To be nothing but book outwardly; > To wear binding like binding, > Bury itself in book-death, > Yet to feel all but book; > To breathe live words, yet with the breath > Of letters; to address liveliness > In reading eyes, be answered with > Letters and bookishness. > > --Laura (Riding) Jackson > > fr. Selected Poems: in Five Sets > [London: Faber and Faber, 1970] > > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From bobgrumman Fri Jun 9 11:14:52 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:14:52 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com><648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com><007a01c68b52$9c7091c0$67b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <648208b60606090740h57fee6eaq1a0f6d3029abfc9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701c68bd7$77212c10$39b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> >> > "I don't know, mama. I can't paint and I can't fuck and I'm angry all >> > the time. Now I know how a critic must feel." - Ellen Cherry, in >> > Skinny Legs and All, by Tom Robbins. >> >> I'm curious: is Ellen Cherry expressing the author's point of view, or is >> she a satire on the standard tenth-rate artist? >>--Bob G. > All the characters are . . . caricatures, and satirical to this or > that degree. The character of Ellen Cherry is pure artist, whether > the final product is good, bad, or indifferent. It's a fun read and > plays with serious matters, such as the patriarchal/Christian > subversion of the matriarchal/Dionysian mind set. > > -- Jim Good capsulization--thanks. --Bob G. From bobgrumman Fri Jun 9 11:48:16 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:48:16 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FYRP: Stimulus & response References: Message-ID: <003601c68bdc$2123fb30$39b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Nice essay. Not the one by "Dead," which I haven't gotten to yet. Surprise--the one bothersome thing about the essay for me was that I found it a mite condescending toward representational visual art. (Traditional visual art.) Anyway, thanks for alert, Halvard. --Bob G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Halvard Johnson To: new-Poetry New-Poetry ; Crew Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] FYRP: Stimulus & response Note: The stimulus is found via the link in the first paragraph. To wit: http://www.trailofdead.com/ HJ ==== ESSAY: And You Will Know Them By the Trail of the Dumb: a Defense of Abstract Art . by Josh Ronsen A member of the Austin rock band And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead has written an essay attacking abstract and modern art. You may find the essay here. Scroll down to the May 7, 2003 entry to find it. The author of the article is not listed, but maybe it is Conrad Keely. For the sake of this article I refer to the actual author as Dead. Dead?s essay reads like it has been cribbed from every remedial attack on Modern Art since the 1913 Armory Show. Again we read the same tired accusations of ?anyone can do it,? and suffer charges of elitism since the common man doesn?t appreciate it. To prove his point, Dead shows a number of abstract paintings and old-time classics to a four-year old girl. The results are astonishing: the girl does not like the modern art, but rather likes the ?pretty? pictures. Thus it is case closed for the product of an Evergreen State College education (I?m a University of Chicago man myself; just paid off my student loans). Let?s tear down the Rothko Chapel and put up some pony paintings (c.f. http://www.njeaa.com/snowhoroilpa.html). Now a person of sharper intelligence--and I will suffer the charge of elitism by saying there aren?t many smart people out there--may question the idea of a four year old girl deciding anything about anything. Her primary concern at this point in life is when she can start wearing makeup (perhaps the most degenerate form of painting in Western culture). If we conduct Dead?s ?experiment? with the culinary arts, we may find that the four year old girl greatly prefers Twinkies and Lucky Charms to vegetables and multi-grain bread. If left unchecked, this girl would eat nothing but sweets until all her teeth become rotted and her brain infected with trillions of streptococcus mutans bacteria producing destructive behavioral patterns such as listening to the new Liz Phair record. The same thing happens with art. If left unchecked, this girl will probably spend her entire life gazing at pretty pictures and not having to think about them. ?This picture is pretty, it is a classic, can I buy it on a tote bag?? she may find herself asking one day at the poster/frame shop in the mall. I want a better future for our kids. In his 1957 essay ?the Creative Act,? Marcel Duchamp, perhaps the greatest modern artist, or at least one of the most original and daring, describes art as a three part process involving the artist, the work of art itself and thirdly, and perhaps most important, the viewer, who must engage the art work to complete it. In earlier times (in Western Civilization), art was a way of reinforcing rigid social and religious structures. In the Renaissance, the average person had no access to art unless seen in church: there were no museums, no public libraries. Art was a tool of the wealthy as another way to display their obscene wealth and social standing. This is the ?very specific function? that Dead is looking for in art. This art, mostly pretty pictures, does not directly engage the viewer intellectually. Duchamp called this art--which is so prevalent in society that only it is defined as Art--retinal art; art that plays with the eye but goes little deeper. Duchamp devoted his life to fighting the pull and attraction of this powerful force, and strove to create that which would instead play on the mind. When writing ?visual art is about ways of seeing,? Dead shows his allegiance to this simpler, easier way of life. The pile of coal which fuels Dead?s essay perfectly encapsulates his anti-intellectual bias. Dead only sees a pile of coal and passes on to us a simple surface description. By not providing the title of the piece or the artist, we cannot enter into a discussion about its merits. Perhaps it was a terrible piece, a cheap Richard Long knock off. Perhaps Dead stumbled upon the loading dock and found an actual pile of coal awaiting transfer to the furnace (much like the old joke about the uncovered electrical wall socket in the art gallery: it provokes vigorous debate until the janitor arrives and re-attaches the cover). Perhaps it was a masterpiece by Robert Smithon. Dead effectively shuts down dialogue and debate before it can begin. Who can argue with ?a pile of coal?? Who could argue if I reduce the Mona Lisa to ?colored pigments on wood? or a piece of music to ?patterns of air pressure?? Dead sees, but he does not think. Dead?s historical argument doesn?t hold any water, which is no surprise. The art survey course I assume he took at Evergreen State College (?studying art on a theoretical level??) didn?t and couldn?t expose him to the true basis of representational painting. Dead claims ?even the first paintings done on caves were not abstract or exercises in self-indulgence, but beautifully, sometimes sublimely realistic representations.? This smacks of an art survey course at someplace like Evergreen State College where teachers drunk on Enlightenment fallacies like Rousseau's "all men are born free" argue the grace and purity of primitive man. Their basic argument is that the cave painters, being so in tune with nature and free from Evil Society, create paintings so ?beautiful? that they still speak to us thousands of years later. Lucy Lippard, in her book ?Overlay: Contemporary Art and the Art of Prehistory,? writes of those ?who glorify nature and the distant past, using them as reactionary propaganda to send people back to their proper places, their proper classes, their proper gender roles.? [pg.9] These art survey teachers, and I assume Dead as well, are angry that their pretty pony paintings lost out to an abstract concept piece at the Evergreen State College Art Fair. Lippard later describes certain ancient wall carvings as ?randomly patterned with [concentric circles, seemingly very abstract], some with comet-like trails. Such marks are particularly mysterious since they are found all over the world.? This shows that primitive artists did make abstract, random works and were not totally involved with representational art. Dead doesn?t understand the cave painters (or, for that matter, caves: one paints IN caves, ON cave walls; one does not paint ?on caves.?). What are the cave paintings really about? I will tell you. Lacking silverware, because they didn?t have society to tell them to use a fork, primitive man ripped apart their prey with their hands. Their hands became bloody and, not being complete savages, they had a desire to wipe off the blood. Where did they do this? On the walls of their caves. That is right, these first paintings, so described in public by Dead as ?beautiful? and ?sublimely realistic? were nothing but bloody hand turkeys, the same hand turkeys that are used even today to indoctrinate small children (like Dead?s young friend) into representational painting and the allure of ?pretty? pictures. All of what Dead considers to be Art can be traced back to this most simple and insidious form of art, the hand turkey. The line is clear. Art and Life offer a wide range of experiences, ideas and beauties, some not obvious, taking time and effort to discover. To devalue something because it is not easily swallowed by the ?uneducated? (Dead?s word) masses is stupidity piled upon ignorance. Ask the average Texas country bumpkin what he thinks about Indian cuisine or music. He?s not going to sit for a minute of sitar playing. That doesn?t make it any less worthwhile. The same goes for abstract art. Abstract art is needed, desperately needed because it can force the mind to think, to experience something new, to find the poetry within life. As Rabbi Abraham Itshaq Kook wrote: ?May misfortune fall on he who wants to remove the poetic aspect of life, he loses the very savor of this life and all its truth.? >>Josh Ronsen is publisher of Monk Mink Pink Punk. He is a multi-instrumentalist (guitar, clarinet, electronics, computer, piano, cello) in Austin, Texas and his sound work appears on over two dozen records. He also publishes the Austinnitus electronic newsletter.>> at http://home.grandecom.net/~jronsen/mmpp11/abstract.html "There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.bircumshaw Fri Jun 9 12:49:47 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:49:47 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" References: <648208b60606090741vc66f021w6db3f62241f357ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01c68be4$b8caca60$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Don't quite agree, James. Looking again at the poem, Very Carefully, we have the repetition of 'letters' in the space of 4 lines, 'breath' and 'breathe' on the same line and the god-awful rhyme of 'liveliness' and 'bookishness'. Could do better, as they say on school-reports. (Her pararhyme of 'with' and 'breathe' is quite snazzy though) Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cervantes" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson,"The Troubles of a Book" > Gotta like those last four lines. > > - Jim > > On 6/9/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > > > > > The Troubles of a Book > > > > The trouble of a book is first to be > > No thoughts to nobody, > > Then to lie as long unwritten > > As it will lie unread, > > Then to build word for word an author > > And occupy his head > > Until the head declares vacancy > > To make full publication > > Of running empty. > > > > The trouble of a book is secondly > > To keep awake and ready > > And listening like an innkeeper, > > Wishing, not wishing for a guest, > > Torn between hope of no rest > > And hope of rest. > > Uncertainly the pages doze > > And blink open to passing fingers > > With landlord smile, then close. > > > > The trouble of a book is thirdly > > To speak its sermon, then look the other way, > > Around commotion in the margin, > > Where tongue meets the eye, > > But claim no experience of panic, > > No complicity in the outcry. > > The ordeal of a book is to give no hint > > Of ordeal, to be flat and witless > > Of the upright sense of print. > > > > The trouble of a book is chiefly > > To be nothing but book outwardly; > > To wear binding like binding, > > Bury itself in book-death, > > Yet to feel all but book; > > To breathe live words, yet with the breath > > Of letters; to address liveliness > > In reading eyes, be answered with > > Letters and bookishness. > > > > --Laura (Riding) Jackson > > > > fr. Selected Poems: in Five Sets > > [London: Faber and Faber, 1970] > > > > > > > > Hal > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard at earthlink.net > > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From cervantes.james Fri Jun 9 14:02:10 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:02:10 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" In-Reply-To: <002e01c68be4$b8caca60$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <648208b60606090741vc66f021w6db3f62241f357ed@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c68be4$b8caca60$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <648208b60606091102j51a8be66l2846352ecfb8c1e3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/9/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > Don't quite agree, James. Looking again at the poem, Very Carefully, we have > the repetition of 'letters' in the space of 4 lines, 'breath' and 'breathe' > on the same line and the god-awful rhyme of 'liveliness' and 'bookishness'. > > Could do better, as they say on school-reports. (Her pararhyme of 'with' and > 'breathe' is quite snazzy though) It was the thought that counted for me. As fer poetics, I agree with you 100%. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From david.bircumshaw Fri Jun 9 18:57:18 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:57:18 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" References: <648208b60606090741vc66f021w6db3f62241f357ed@mail.gmail.com><002e01c68be4$b8caca60$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <648208b60606091102j51a8be66l2846352ecfb8c1e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801c68c18$10317be0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> James, when you say you agree with the poetics do you mean my mini-analysis of the last four lines of Laura Riding's poem? I say this with a certain pointedness as my seeming ability to do so makes me feel terribly alone too: I am an underclass low-life from the detritus of Leicester, people like me are not supposed to be able to dissect our betters, I get people from my own class accusing me of being an academic, which I'm not, while at the same time my social superiors indulge me as a a kind of educated monkey, isn't it amazing that it can talk. Etc, etc. Interested to know. All the Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cervantes" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson,"The Troubles of a Book" > On 6/9/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > Don't quite agree, James. Looking again at the poem, Very Carefully, we have > > the repetition of 'letters' in the space of 4 lines, 'breath' and 'breathe' > > on the same line and the god-awful rhyme of 'liveliness' and 'bookishness'. > > > > Could do better, as they say on school-reports. (Her pararhyme of 'with' and > > 'breathe' is quite snazzy though) > > It was the thought that counted for me. As fer poetics, I agree with you 100%. > > > -- Jim > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From JforJames Fri Jun 9 19:24:05 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:24:05 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Harrison ponders existence Message-ID: <268.ad60291.31bb5d15@aol.com> _http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Books/Content?oid=oid:83048_ (http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Books/Content?oid=oid:83048) Conscience of the World Jim Harrison ponders existence in his fantastic new book of poetry By JON SHUMAKER Saving Daylight, by Jim Harrison. Copper Canyon Press, $22. Jim Harrison has written a new book of poems, and it is a beauty. It's been a long time coming. His first full-length collection of poems in 10 years, Saving Daylight is Harrison's exploration of the porous membrane separating the past from the future--that thing we call the present. Harrison has been dissecting the world for years with his razor-sharp prose and zen-inspired poetry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.bircumshaw Fri Jun 9 19:36:38 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:36:38 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Harrison ponders existence References: <268.ad60291.31bb5d15@aol.com> Message-ID: <005b01c68c1d$8f34a4d0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Y'know Jim, I ponder existence a lot meself. But I wouldn't dare do it with either razor-sharp prose or zen-inspired poetry. I'd feel like I'd fallen into one of my own jokes if I did. Not that I get all jokes, ask RH on this subject, much mystified thereupon .... Here's a poem anyhow, I think it faulty in parts, but quite strong in others, it has a BIG subject: PAROUSIA I Imagine this: a room within, the bounds of voice; a crow cries beyond; a clock counts; a hall empty, a hall full. A voice comparing: the sons of Belial like unto the word of denial; preparing: the children of darkness for the prince of light; declaring: the advent of Israel from the body of the Nile; a voice aboom abounds above bowed heads of the belov'd. II It dropped from the sky like a stone burning down with the Will of Heaven. It consumed the dark lives tangled around roots of pride. It humbled the high and low. On our bent knees we move-still forward-led towards the Last Day of Days, the First of Ever. III On bended knees towards a You-tree, of You twisted on the pole of the calendar, through a snake-lane we turn, bloodied, tilting like shadows repeating the angles of flesh. IV Tell me a history of that saviour who bides till the calendar ends in a dancing of flame, for a twelfth to come self-slaughtering bride. Make me accounts of all redemptions denied to justice's pawns in the backstreets of time, in slave-ships or coal-mines, on all the wrong sides; of yesterdays bartered that something might come; and faith sold like charity; and like hope decried, till the day of atonement by a redeemer who hides. V Twelve is the count of the tribes and signs that order the years till the ending of times; divided then divided, by the two that parted, it numbers in three the brand of the beast to the faithful awaiting the bridebed's feast, abandoned in Egypt, their rescue unstarted. VI By Your Whither-tree of winter supplicant we count out days of a world of waste days to a mewling new-born calendar, days to another zodiac and zenith culminating by degrees its constellated eyes. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:24 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Harrison ponders existence http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Books/Content?oid=oid:83048 Conscience of the World Jim Harrison ponders existence in his fantastic new book of poetry By JON SHUMAKER Saving Daylight, by Jim Harrison. Copper Canyon Press, $22. Jim Harrison has written a new book of poems, and it is a beauty. It's been a long time coming. His first full-length collection of poems in 10 years, Saving Daylight is Harrison's exploration of the porous membrane separating the past from the future--that thing we call the present. Harrison has been dissecting the world for years with his razor-sharp prose and zen-inspired poetry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Fri Jun 9 20:59:42 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:59:42 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] ephemeral anthology: bookish poems Message-ID: <4b9.ec843c.31bb737e@aol.com> After that very interesing Riding poem that Hal posted, I call for other poems where the book or reading is important to the poem. Here's one (below) by the bookish Borges... Finnegan -- Readers Of that gentleman with the sallow, dry complexion And knightly disposition, they conjecture That, always on the edge of an adventure, He never actually left his library. The precise chronicle of his campaigning And all its tragicomical reversals Was dreamed by him and not by Cervantes And is no more than the record of his dreaming. Such is also my luck. I know there is something Essential and immortal that I have buried Somewhere in that library of the past In which I read the story of that knight. The slow leaves now recall a solemn child Who dreams vague things he does not understand. --Jorge Luis Borges (translated by Alastair Reid) In a message dated 6/9/2006 9:44:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, halvard at earthlink.net writes: The Troubles of a Book The trouble of a book is first to be No thoughts to nobody, Then to lie as long unwritten As it will lie unread, Then to build word for word an author And occupy his head Until the head declares vacancy To make full publication Of running empty. The trouble of a book is secondly To keep awake and ready And listening like an innkeeper, Wishing, not wishing for a guest, Torn between hope of no rest And hope of rest. Uncertainly the pages doze And blink open to passing fingers With landlord smile, then close. The trouble of a book is thirdly To speak its sermon, then look the other way, Around commotion in the margin, Where tongue meets the eye, But claim no experience of panic, No complicity in the outcry. The ordeal of a book is to give no hint Of ordeal, to be flat and witless Of the upright sense of print. The trouble of a book is chiefly To be nothing but book outwardly; To wear binding like binding, Bury itself in book-death, Yet to feel all but book; To breathe live words, yet with the breath Of letters; to address liveliness In reading eyes, be answered with Letters and bookishness. --Laura (Riding) Jackson fr. 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'Oh, I've been scanning pond and hole And waterway hereabout For the body of one with a sunken soul Who has put his life-light out. 'Did you hear his frenzied tattle? It was sorrow for his son Who is slain in brutish battle, Though he has injured none. 'And now I am curious to look Into the blinkered mind Of one who wants to write a book In a world of such a kind.' Her temper overwrought me, And I edged to shun her view, For I felt assured she thought me One who should drown him too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Applicants should have a special interest in the role of literary arts in civic life, and imaginative programming ideas. Duration: September 2006 through June, 2007. It is renewable, with a two-term limit. Teaching: The writer-in-residence will teach two classes in our Inquiry Through Writing Program over the course of one year (one class per week during two six-week quarters per year). The writer will receive separate compensation for teaching. Consultation: Keep an average of five office hours per week to consult with Hugo House community members on their writing projects. We encourage the writer-in-residence to substitute some of these office hours with community outreach hours (teaching or giving readings in various community centers, hospitals, etc.). The Perks: $750 per month stipend for nine months, plus additional compensation for Inquiry Through Writing Program classes. A vibrant and growing community of, by, and for writers. An opportunity to work with a committed staff in a creative work environment. Representation: Be an ambassador of Hugo House and an advocate for the literary arts in the community. Your Application: Write a description of your potential residency that includes details about the class(es) you would like to teach, your teaching philosophy, and your views about the role of writing in our culture (please limit to 500 words). Send application by July 5 to: Alix Wilber, Program Director Richard Hugo House 1634 11th Ave. Seattle, WA 98122 No phone or e-mail queries please. For more information, visit www.hugohouse.org/about/jobs.html. Visit www.hugohouse.org to learn more about Hugo House and read about past programs produced by writers-in-residence. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Fri Jun 9 22:37:54 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 22:37:54 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Richard Hugo House Seeks Writer-in-Residence Location: Seatt... Message-ID: <37d.477051e.31bb8a82@aol.com> $750 a month. Sure, I'd move across country for that. In a message dated 6/9/2006 10:28:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JforJames at aol.com writes: Subject: Richard Hugo House Seeks Writer-in-Residence Location: Seattle, WA Richard Hugo House is seeking an accomplished author/teacher to become the next writer-in-residence associated with the nonprofit literary arts center on Capitol Hill. The writer will be based at Richard Hugo House and will complement the other writer-in-residence, David Wagoner. Applicants for the position should be practicing, published (or produced) writers of poetry, fiction, plays or creative nonfiction as well as accomplished and dedicated writing teachers with significant experience and pedagogical knowledge of various teaching philosophies and methods. Applicants should have a special interest in the role of literary arts in civic life, and imaginative programming ideas. Duration: September 2006 through June, 2007. It is renewable, with a two-term limit. Teaching: The writer-in-residence will teach two classes in our Inquiry Through Writing Program over the course of one year (one class per week during two six-week quarters per year). The writer will receive separate compensation for teaching. Consultation: Keep an average of five office hours per week to consult with Hugo House community members on their writing projects. We encourage the writer-in-residence to substitute some of these office hours with community outreach hours (teaching or giving readings in various community centers, hospitals, etc.). The Perks: $750 per month stipend for nine months, plus additional compensation for Inquiry Through Writing Program classes. A vibrant and growing community of, by, and for writers. An opportunity to work with a committed staff in a creative work environment. Representation: Be an ambassador of Hugo House and an advocate for the literary arts in the community. Your Application: Write a description of your potential residency that includes details about the class(es) you would like to teach, your teaching philosophy, and your views about the role of writing in our culture (please limit to 500 words). Send application by July 5 to: Alix Wilber, Program Director Richard Hugo House 1634 11th Ave. Seattle, WA 98122 No phone or e-mail queries please. 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URL: From cervantes.james Sat Jun 10 10:38:50 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:38:50 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" In-Reply-To: <003801c68c18$10317be0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <648208b60606090741vc66f021w6db3f62241f357ed@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c68be4$b8caca60$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <648208b60606091102j51a8be66l2846352ecfb8c1e3@mail.gmail.com> <003801c68c18$10317be0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <648208b60606100738u32d1ca1cyf7e6dc5cc19a98c3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/9/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > James, when you say you agree with the poetics do you mean my mini-analysis > of the last four lines of Laura Riding's poem? Yes. They're not exactly specimens of high craft. - Jim, another educated monkey >I say this with a certain > pointedness as my seeming ability to do so makes me feel terribly alone too: > I am an underclass low-life from the detritus of Leicester, people like me > are not supposed to be able to dissect our betters, I get people from my own > class accusing me of being an academic, which I'm not, while at the same > time my social superiors indulge me as a a kind of educated monkey, isn't it > amazing that it can talk. Etc, etc. > > Interested to know. > > All the Best > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Cervantes" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" > > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson,"The > Troubles of a Book" > > > > On 6/9/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > > Don't quite agree, James. Looking again at the poem, Very Carefully, we > have > > > the repetition of 'letters' in the space of 4 lines, 'breath' and > 'breathe' > > > on the same line and the god-awful rhyme of 'liveliness' and > 'bookishness'. > > > > > > Could do better, as they say on school-reports. (Her pararhyme of 'with' > and > > > 'breathe' is quite snazzy though) > > > > It was the thought that counted for me. As fer poetics, I agree with you > 100%. > > > > > > -- Jim > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From queenmouse Sun Jun 11 12:03:24 2006 From: queenmouse (Suzanne Burns) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:03:24 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Richard Hugo House Seeks Writer-in-Residence Location: Seatt... In-Reply-To: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> Message-ID: I once had a year long residency at the Vermont Studio Center, which I juggled with an adjunct teaching position. The compensation was room and board since I was a "staff artist". On the plus side: The food was great and I met an amazing array of artists and writers from all over the world. I had a free ticket for all of the writing workshops, and since I was not paying for rent or food, my adjunct pay actually covered my bills comfortably. I left withy enough money saved to get an apartment in Boston. On the negative side: Well I can't think of any negatives except that you really do have to be in a position to take a very, very long vacation in order to do something like this. I was at a point in my life back then where I could be the modest-living wandering bohemian (I didn't have a choice, frankly) but I do not see how anyone who has a home, children, pets, horses to care for, mother dying of cancer, and/or a real job/business to maintain could ever do this. Sinced then I have had the opportunity to live in P'town or spend a few months at MacDowell, and a whole host of other residency type places. I haven't taken these opportunities (though I am severely tempted all the time to run away and live in a dune shack, the most appealing opportunity) because I know perfectly well that if I stepped down from my current job it would be very hard to find anything else like it again. Back when I had my own business it was out of the question because clients have this way of flying away and never coming back. Not having other resources to fall back on, losing my livelihood just wasn't an option. Most of these residencies presume that you are an academic with access to summer vacation and paid sabbaticals (or that you at least have the power to take unpaid leave and not lose your job), or that you are a member of the leisure class (perhaps one of those wealthy Brookline matrons who I see all the time in tai chi class). This one sounds like actual work and not just a free place to stay. If they upped it to $1500 and if those teaching positions paid decently, I could see this being a good job to take between gigs or while doing contract work on the sly. But when would I write? Ahh life... Suzanne On 6/9/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/9/2006 11:06:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > AlMaginnes at aol.com writes: > > Which shows what poetry fetches in hte market these days. Serisoudly, I > love Richard Hugo's work and a residency at the Hugo House would be a > terrific honor, but damn, I got bills to pay. Maybe if the Guggenheim goes > through...(yeah, right). > > Or Powerball. > > You have to rent (sublet) your abode...then move in to Hugo's old digs > & you're net $750 ahead. It does imply you've rot got a day-job holding > to your current residence/zipcode. Good for a sabbatical ....I'm trying to > > convince my boss I deserve one...oops, I'm the boss. All I have to do > is go. > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd Sun Jun 11 12:58:19 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:58:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet in residence In-Reply-To: References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> I've been poet-in-residence all my adult life--in residence at my own home, that is. I seem to be unlike many of my poet pals in that residencies, writers' colonies, foreign fellowships, and other such get aways have never tempted me much. Obviously, it's great to have more time to write, and one reason I'm a professor is that I can preserve fairly sizable blocks of time (e.g. summer break) to get writing done. And I've always been a fairly prolific writer, even when holding down a demanding job. One probably can't write novels this way, but lyric poems can be produced, I find, even in the cracks of a 14 hour work day. I would agree that travel to meet people and see things is certainly stimulating. I do travel--just not for purposes of writing. Leaving home to write has never appealed. I'm one of those people who is most productive right here at my home desk. I expect that (aside from the obvious practicalities involved--I can see why getting away is good for many) some writers are fueled by routine & familiarity, and some tend to feel stifled by it. On Jun 11, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Suzanne Burns wrote: > Most of these residencies presume that you are an academic with > access to summer vacation and paid sabbaticals (or that you at > least have the power to take unpaid leave and not lose your job), > or that you are a member of the leisure class (perhaps one of those > wealthy Brookline matrons who I see all the time in tai chi > class). This one sounds like actual work and not just a free place > to stay. If they upped it to $1500 and if those teaching positions > paid decently, I could see this being a good job to take between > gigs or while doing contract work on the sly. But when would I write? > > Ahh life... > > > Suzanne > ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwilsnac Sun Jun 11 13:13:15 2006 From: rwilsnac (Richard Wilsnack) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:13:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? In-Reply-To: <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> David Graham's "poet in residence" message, and the correspondence concerning the Richard Hugo House, raise a chronic question for creative writing in general: How much does it help/impede the writing process to have extended time available for writing? Or, in contrast, how much does it help/impede writing to have to write, as David says, "in the cracks of a 14 hour work day"? I suspect that the (un)availability of much "free" time works differently not only for different types of writing (say, novels vs. lyric poetry), but also for people with different personalities. Many writers, I suspect, hate deadlines yet work best when deadlines beset them. Any comments on the benefits/woes of having abundant/scarce time for writing? Richard W. Wilsnack rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu From queenmouse Sun Jun 11 15:04:55 2006 From: queenmouse (Suzanne Burns) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:04:55 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? In-Reply-To: <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> Message-ID: I find the Frank O'Hara approach works well for me-- writing poems when I can, over lunch if necessary. I find I thrive on activity and change, and tend to write more when I am juggling a lot of things or when I m travelling. I am not sure how much this is due o me having no other choice: my life and my schedule tends to be insane. Tech writing for a living has forced me to be organized ona level I never thought possible-- if Tuesday evening is the only evening this week when I will have some breathing space and time to think about poetry, I am very motivated to use that time well. As far residencies go, I have never believed that "time to write" is really what they are about. I mean if you have the time to go to the MacDowell Colony, you also have the time to put up a "do not disturb" sign and hole up in your study. If you have people in your life who don't care about breaking into your time, then you have a whole nuther kind of problem imho. Residencies to me are more about having an excuse to go off to some very pretty locale, and meet and socialize with other writers and artists and learn from that interaction. Time spent in that way can be very intoxicating-- VSC was a great place to meet all kinds of people, and it was instrumental in inspiring me to take up visual art as well as poetry (I was modelling for all of the artists, and ended up learning to paint in the process starting when Selina Trieff suggested that I take the class instead of modelling). That kind of experience and interaction is priceless. I have learned from experience that I do not thrive on isolation. I did the Greek island thing (actually it wasn't half as isolated as Jack Gilbert's poetry maks it sound); I did the hermit thing. And I ended up writing the same poem over and over. Throw me in the middle of life: that's where I belong. And even if I have no time at all, I will find a way to make it all work, even if that means training my readers to expect fragments. :-) Suzanne On 6/11/06, Richard Wilsnack wrote: > > David Graham's "poet in residence" message, and the correspondence > concerning the Richard Hugo House, raise a chronic question for creative > writing in general: > How much does it help/impede the writing process to have extended time > available for writing? Or, in contrast, how much does it help/impede > writing to have to > write, as David says, "in the cracks of a 14 hour work day"? I suspect > that the (un)availability of much "free" time works differently not only > for different types of writing (say, novels vs. lyric poetry), but also > for people with different personalities. Many writers, I suspect, hate > deadlines yet work best when deadlines beset them. Any comments on the > benefits/woes of having abundant/scarce time for writing? > > Richard W. Wilsnack > rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry Sun Jun 11 15:06:11 2006 From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:06:11 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? In-Reply-To: <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <731bb17a0606111206t1da91cdfra2dd621148514f8@mail.gmail.com> I'll chime in here and say that, like David, I am a professor. Right now, I'm on leave to work on coursework for my doctorate; but even when I was teaching 4-5 courses a term (I work for a community college), I found that when I had lots of things going on, I was more productive. I worked on poems during office hours; sometimes, I printed out hard copies to take to class if I were showing a video or doing some other activity that left me free. I've found that downtime depresses me. And, it seems, steals my creativity. I write songs, as well, and I can't seem to get any music written when I have a lot of free time. As far as my poetry is concerned, I've been working on being more disciplined this summer. I rise early, walk the dog, have coffee & cereal, and write until noon or 1:00 p.m. Then, in the afternoons, I read. So, the routine, I suppose, helps me. I know that other work in different ways. Jeff Newberry On 6/11/06, Richard Wilsnack wrote: > > David Graham's "poet in residence" message, and the correspondence > concerning the Richard Hugo House, raise a chronic question for creative > writing in general: > How much does it help/impede the writing process to have extended time > available for writing? Or, in contrast, how much does it help/impede > writing to have to > write, as David says, "in the cracks of a 14 hour work day"? I suspect > that the (un)availability of much "free" time works differently not only > for different types of writing (say, novels vs. lyric poetry), but also > for people with different personalities. Many writers, I suspect, hate > deadlines yet work best when deadlines beset them. Any comments on the > benefits/woes of having abundant/scarce time for writing? > > Richard W. Wilsnack > rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman Sun Jun 11 16:39:00 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:39:00 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com><3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu><448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <004d01c68d97$1716dbf0$63b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> During my four years in the air force, I think I wrote four or five poems, and possibly part of a play. I find it so hard to have a 9 to 5 job and be creative, that I've spent my life avoiding work. After the air force, my only 9 to 5 job was working for a computer service bureau. I think, during a vacation, I rewrote much of a book on my theory of psychology. Otherwise, I was almost completely unproductive. Oh, before that I worked in a factory days, and as a security guard nights. That only lasted a year. I did not writing, I'm sure. Now, working as a substitute teacher, I get my primary work done during my many vacations. I'm able to revise stuff, and even compose poetry while working, sometimes, but it's tough. I think that once what you compose becomes second-nature, as some of my poetry has for me, it's not that hard to compose it during work days. But more ambitious stuff, or maybe just longer stuff, like a novel or non-fiction book, is near impossible for me, unless under way. I seem to need, or think I need, to know I have uninterrupted time to finish a thing before I can get going on it. I find I can just about always do a blog entry, regardless of whether I'm working or not, and some of them I consider important (for me). There are other factors, like how well you like your 9 to 5 job, or the equivalent. Subbing I like much better than my previous jobs, which helps. How much your job relates to your art is obviously important, too. Switching from teaching poetry to composing it must be easier than switching from operating a computer to composing poetry, for example. Having intelligent people sympathetic to your work where you do you 9 to 5 would certainly help you compose on the side, too. And a culturally-stimulating environment I have both, to a degree, at the high school I teach at. For instance, most classrooms have books in them, and I can visit the excellent school library once a day or more (and sometimes sub there). I would have it to a greater degree if I were teaching at a college. I can't say I had it in the air force, or at the computer service bureau or the factory. There were intelligent, cultured people at both places, but no books, to speak of, and no time to discuss culture, anyway--except, of course, when the 9 to 5 part of the day was over. One conclusion: we're all different. One question like the one Richard asked about whether having time or not having time is good/bad: is being prevented for long periods of time from composing good or bad? I sometimes think being prevented from composing can give an artist time to fill up with ideas. I have found that I'm often very much more productive during a vacation than I was when I had no 9 to 5 job (which was the case with me for almost 20 years after my computer service bureau job). --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb Sun Jun 11 21:11:02 2006 From: millb (millb at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:11:02 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0606111206t1da91cdfra2dd621148514f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> <731bb17a0606111206t1da91cdfra2dd621148514f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C85BD434E46D04-1310-31F4@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> I'll chime in too, on this topic. As a non-academic writer, I find residencies important for my psyche. Often, I have a specific project in mind when I start a residency, but, also often, is the fact that my project changes and morphs and that the most important take-away from a residency is friendship. I think that writers and artists who teach college have more opportunities for socialization. For me, Yaddo and Vermont Studio and Jentel offered me time to write and time to read. . . what is not readily apparent to me intially was the time to play Scrabble and interact with other writers and artists and musicians and not discuss craft. Those down times are the most powerful experieces for me at residencies. My day job is technical writing which is just about as far away from poetry and fiction as you can get and not be a banker or insurance salesman, so residenies are a welcome opportunity for me to recharge my creative juices. During the times when I am able to land a fellowship or a grant and actually take time off (at home), I find that it takes me awhile to get acclimated. An average of one to two months is what it takes me to rebegin a writing habit full time (which is not say, not book-ended around an IT project). Well, that's my two cents. Mill ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. 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A poem is either there or it isn't and all the time and space in the world won't make it appear if it's not.....and conversely, no amount of other work/responsibility will make it go away if it wants to be written. I do a lot of middle of the night writing and bathtub writing and "oh-gosh-I -should-be-making-dinner/changing-sheets/laundry right now, but time just got away from me" writing. Then again, I'm not a professional "poet" or writer - and maybe that's why. I've not been writing for very long and for the first three or four years that I was trying to write I was raising three kids, working two jobs and teaching EMS and fire safety on the side. I got very used to writing on the fly as well as trying to squeeze in the reading and studying necessary to help myself try to understand what worked and why and how. (I've still not figured that one out.) What I am understanding, now that I am away from it, is that while I lack all formal education for a writing career, I did manage to come away with a wonderful amount of knowledge of how ordinary people are often extraordinary....how they respond to situations beyond their control, even beyond their own understanding....how the amount of courage that normal every-day people possess is amazing....how to look at the world through eyes other than my own and be able to appreciate the differences as well as the similarities. Fire and EMS are sure not academia but they definitely do provide a wealth of information regarding life....and what better thing to write about than life itself? It would be nice to have both, but if I had to choose between a nice place to write and experiences to write about, I'd have to choose experience as the better wellspring. Lo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsillima Mon Jun 12 09:08:52 2006 From: rsillima (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Recently on Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060612130852.84297.qmail@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Lisa Robertson The Men Copyright on MySpace why your work may belong to Rupert Murdoch What is bad poetry, Robert Pinsky? My Spaceship an anthology for out-of-this-world cats Against professionalism: Going to poetry for knowledge of the world Olson and Althusser ideology and the soul Proprioception as dialectics Proprioception Charles Olson?s other major manifesto On 750,000 weblog visitors A shout out to Zoe Strauss, Sylvia Legris, Catherine Wagner, and Robin Kemp The sexual politics of Projective Verse reading DuPlessis reading Olson Charles Olson, Objectivism & T.S. Eliot Breathing the syllable in Charles Olson?s ?Projective Verse? Eliot Weinberger on New Directions Timothy Yu, Pamela Lu and Asian-American anthologies http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From grahamd Mon Jun 12 10:49:23 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:49:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] What is bad poetry? Message-ID: Some interesting juxtapositions in Ron Silliman's latest blog. http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Silliman presents a link to Robert Pinsky's latest Poet's Choice column , in which Pinsky takes the old warhorse for a leisurely run around the track. Pinsky's typically intelligent take on "what is bad poetry?" quotes a famous Edgar Guest poem and gives it is due as a skillful piece of writing appealing to a mass readership. Pinsky understands that this kind of sentimental verse, glib and shallow as it is, nonetheless isn't easy to write, and does meet a real desire among huge numbers of readers. He goes on to say that such desires are most often met these days by the lyrics of pop music of all kinds. A decent analysis, I think. Pinsky closes with a poem by Marianne Moore about which he does not need to say much--a different kettle of fish entirely from Edgar Guest, obviously. Silliman doesn't make any comments on Pinsky's piece, just presents the link under a photo of Pinsky in a possibly photo-shopped pugilistic pose. But it's not hard to imagine the luscious sarcasm RS might indulge in, were he to find Pinsky's remarks worth responding to. His opinion of Pinsky's work is hardly a well kept secret. Thus it was with fine amusement that I see, just above the Pinsky link, some lines presented as an example of palpably *good* poetry. They are by Lisa Robertson, and come from her "new and wonderful" and even "great" book, in fact an "instant classic": *The Men*. What is good poetry, then? Here's a taste-- Men deft men mental men of loving men all men Vile men virtuous men same men from which men Sweet and men of mercy men such making men said Has each man that sees it Cray as men to the men sensate And their poverty speaking to the men Is about timeliness men is about Previous palpability from which The problematic politics adorable And humble especially Young men of sheepish privilege becoming Sweet new style --Lisa Robertson And one more excerpt: Each man ? I could write His poem. He needs no voice. But what would I take from it. Our facades are so Minor. What would I begin to say If his words were My poem. I am preoccupied with grace And have started to speak expensively ? as in Have joys Which look like choice Ill-matched to its consequence As laughter to a fall ? bad memory Poorly researched life The men?s Cocks And their faces As we do so Fall upwards. --Lisa Robertson For Silliman's typically interesting and detailed analysis, see his blog (address above). ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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News was stationed around the horizon, ready as summer clouds to thunder-- but it moved off and we covered the committee meeting at the back of the state house, sat around on our desks then went home early. The birds were still singing, the sun just going down. Working these long hours you forget how beautiful the early evening can be, the big houses like ships turning into the night, their rooms piled high with silence. ?by David Tucker. Late for Work. Houghton Mifflin, 2006. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Mon Jun 12 12:56:52 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:56:52 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Today's news References: <33A0C2B8-7502-4DED-BBBC-76B8501A6178@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <003d01c68e41$344392e0$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> This is a very nice poem. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Today's news I've been reading with much pleasure David Tucker's first collection, *Late for Work*, selected & introduced by Philip Levine for the Breadloaf Bakeless Prize. Tucker is a new name to me, but he's not a new writer. He's a fifty-something journalist and editor (New Jersey's Star-Ledger), and often writes about the newsroom experience. Not a surprise that Levine would take to him, since he writes so well about the working world. Today?s News A slow news day, but I did like the obit about the butcher who kept the same store for 50 years. People remembered when his street was sweetly roaring, aproned with flower stalls and fish stands. The stock market wandered, spooked by presidential winks, by micro-winds and the shadows of earnings. News was stationed around the horizon, ready as summer clouds to thunder-- but it moved off and we covered the committee meeting at the back of the state house, sat around on our desks then went home early. The birds were still singing, the sun just going down. Working these long hours you forget how beautiful the early evening can be, the big houses like ships turning into the night, their rooms piled high with silence. ?by David Tucker. Late for Work. Houghton Mifflin, 2006. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james Mon Jun 12 17:54:14 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:54:14 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] What is bad poetry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60606121454x5716e737gd42d3a1bc770c922@mail.gmail.com> If you scroll past all that, you come to "The artistic hub that is Tijuana," which is hotlinked to a NYT article. I found that interesting. - Jim On 6/12/06, David Graham wrote: > > Some interesting juxtapositions in Ron Silliman's latest blog. > > http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ > > Silliman presents a link to Robert Pinsky's latest Poet's Choice column > , > in which Pinsky takes the old warhorse for a leisurely run around the track. > Pinsky's typically intelligent take on "what is bad poetry?" quotes a > famous Edgar Guest poem and gives it is due as a skillful piece of writing > appealing to a mass readership. Pinsky understands that this kind of > sentimental verse, glib and shallow as it is, nonetheless isn't easy to > write, and does meet a real desire among huge numbers of readers. He goes > on to say that such desires are most often met these days by the lyrics of > pop music of all kinds. A decent analysis, I think. Pinsky closes with a > poem by Marianne Moore about which he does not need to say much--a different > kettle of fish entirely from Edgar Guest, obviously. > > Silliman doesn't make any comments on Pinsky's piece, just presents the link > under a photo of Pinsky in a possibly photo-shopped pugilistic pose. But > it's not hard to imagine the luscious sarcasm RS might indulge in, were he > to find Pinsky's remarks worth responding to. His opinion of Pinsky's work > is hardly a well kept secret. > > Thus it was with fine amusement that I see, just above the Pinsky link, some > lines presented as an example of palpably *good* poetry. They are by Lisa > Robertson, and come from her "new and wonderful" and even "great" book, in > fact an "instant classic": *The Men*. > > What is good poetry, then? > > Here's a taste-- > > Men deft men mental men of loving men all men > Vile men virtuous men same men from which men > Sweet and men of mercy men such making men said > Has each man that sees it > Cray as men to the men sensate > And their poverty speaking to the men > Is about timeliness men is about > Previous palpability from which > The problematic politics adorable > And humble especially > Young men of sheepish privilege becoming > Sweet new style > > --Lisa Robertson > > And one more excerpt: > > > > Each man ? I could write > His poem. He needs no voice. > But what would I take from it. Our facades are so > Minor. What would I begin to say > If his words were > My poem. I am preoccupied with grace > And have started to speak expensively ? as in > Have joys > Which look like choice > Ill-matched to its consequence > As laughter to a fall ? bad memory > Poorly researched life > The men's > Cocks > And their faces > As we do so > Fall upwards. > > --Lisa Robertson > > > For Silliman's typically interesting and detailed analysis, see his blog > (address above). > > > > > > > > ========================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > Poetry Library: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > From chris.lott Mon Jun 12 19:29:15 2006 From: chris.lott (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:29:15 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] What is bad poetry? In-Reply-To: <648208b60606121454x5716e737gd42d3a1bc770c922@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60606121454x5716e737gd42d3a1bc770c922@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0606121629x2aae517aue6e4e43a9c4c6e96@mail.gmail.com> On 6/12/06, James Cervantes wrote: > If you scroll past all that, you come to "The artistic hub that is > Tijuana," which is hotlinked to a NYT article. I found that > interesting. More interesting yet is to scroll past the whole thing :) c From JforJames Mon Jun 12 22:24:48 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:24:48 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? Message-ID: <481.315660d.31bf7bf0@aol.com> I often wonder if a few weeks or months devoted to writing would be of use. (I'm sure it couldn't hurt) But Stevens and Williams are my models. Poets who got it done in-between, interstices not expanses. Poetry and space don't mix. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Join more than 60 poets ?including Ekiwah Adler-Belendez, Taha Muhammad Ali, Lucille Clifton, Billy Collins, Toi Derricotte, Mark Doty, Jorie Graham, Linda Gregg, Tony Hoagland, Linda Hogan, Kurtis Lamkin, Andrew Motion, Taslima Nasreen, Grace Paley, Linda Pastan, Gerald Stern, Sekou Sundiata, Brian Turner, and Ko Un?and dozens of accomplished musicians and storytellers for four days of poetry and music beside the Musconetcong River and among the Village ?s lawns, trees, and historic buildings. Waterloo Village is located one mile from Exit 25 of I-80, easily reached from New York City and points east and Pennsylvania and points west. I-287, the Garden State Parkway, Pennsylvania Turnpike, New Jersey Turnpike, and other major highways connect with I-80, offering easy access from points north and south. Special round trip bus transportation from New York City will be available during the Festival. Tickets will go on sale in April 2006. 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So go to it and have a look around, it's at: http://www.malleablejangle.netfirms.com/ All the best, and good luck in Germany. Robert Lane. Online poetry journal : http://www.malleablejangle.netfirms.com Poetry website: http://www.poetryrobertlane.netfirms.com/index.htm Blogspot: http://malleablejangle.blogspot.com/ Deja vu workshops: dejavuworkshops at yahoo.com.au l[a leaf falls]one l iness - e.e.cummings Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Tue Jun 13 13:27:01 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:27:01 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar Message-ID: <2d6.90bfef3.31c04f65@aol.com> http://www.slate.com/id/2143626/ Casual Perfection Why did the publication of Elizabeth Bishop's drafts cause an uproar? By Meghan O'Rourke Posted Tuesday, June 13, 2006, at 12:43 PM ET Elizabeth Bishop Elizabeth Bishop was a famously meticulous writer. In a poem Robert Lowell once wrote for her, he asked, "Do/ you still hang your words in air, ten years/ unfinished, glued to your notice board, with gaps/ or empties for the unimaginable phrase?/ unerring muse who makes the casual perfect?" It's no wonder, then, that the recent publication of Bishop's hitherto uncollected poems, drafts, and fragments in Edgar Allan Poe & the Juke-Box, edited by Alice Quinn, encountered fierce resistance, and some debate about the value of making this work available to the public. In an outraged piece for The New Republic, Helen Vendler labeled the drafts "maimed and stunted" and rebuked Farrar, Straus and Giroux for choosing to publish the volume. But the posthumous publication of drafts is hardly an uncommon practice. 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In a poem Robert > Lowell once wrote for her, he asked, "Do/ you still hang your words in > air, ten years/ unfinished, glued to your notice board, with gaps/ or > empties for the unimaginable phrase?/ unerring muse who makes the casual > perfect?" It's no wonder, then, that the recent publication of Bishop's > hitherto uncollected poems, drafts, and fragments in Edgar Allan Poe & > the Juke-Box, edited by Alice Quinn, encountered fierce resistance, and > some debate about the value of making this work available to the public. > In an outraged piece for The New Republic, Helen Vendler labeled the > drafts "maimed and stunted" and rebuked Farrar, Straus and Giroux for > choosing to publish the volume. But the posthumous publication of drafts > is hardly an uncommon practice. What exactly is it about publishing her > drafts that seems so troubling to so many? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From JforJames Tue Jun 13 15:45:37 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:45:37 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] classic Chinese poetry Message-ID: <2d4.8cd8c4c.31c06fe1@aol.com> In a message dated 6/8/2006 11:37:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, airplay at YOUR.ABC.NET.AU writes: *ABC Radio National Books and Drama newsletter 9 - 17 June 2006 * *POETICA * 10/6/2006 15:00 15/6/2006 21:00 (repeat) *Views from the Pavillions* *URL: *http://www.abc.net.au/rn/poetica/stories/2006/1635973.htm This classic Chinese poetry ranges from the 11th century to as far back as the 5th century BC, and shows the quality of observation and personal insight that has endeared it to poetry-lovers throughout history. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman Tue Jun 13 16:45:02 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:45:02 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar References: <2d6.90bfef3.31c04f65@aol.com> <448EFE54.5090802@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: <005701c68f2a$52a68140$33b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I wonder just how much of an "uproar" it caused. Did more than a hundred people care? Would even that many have cared if Vendler wasn't Queen of the Poetry Establishment? --Bob G. From JforJames Tue Jun 13 18:21:55 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:21:55 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar Message-ID: <306.6026c8b.31c09483@aol.com> I haven't seen the whole Vendler argument against...has others read it? (There is just about a paragraph or two on the New Republic's online site.) Vendler seems to be arguing that the book is engaging in 'false advertising'...that the pieces published in the _Edgar Allan Poe_ collection were never meant to see the light of day. But it would seem that the state of the manuscript copies, evidence from letters, the way the material was organized, etc., should be able to tell a scholar or careful editor something about how Bishop felt about an unpublished piece. And certainly there is precedence for books tracing the successive drafts of famous poems...so I don't know what the gripe would be about that. A poem, obviously a successive draft, organized with other poems in similar state in a binder or folder of some kind, poems sent in a letter to another poet (like M. Moore) for comment, etc., may very well be 'finished' (or abandoned per Auden via Valery) but, for this or that reason remained unsuited for collection. 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But it would seem > that the state of the manuscript copies, evidence from letters, the > way > the material was organized, etc., should be able to tell a scholar or > careful editor something about how Bishop felt about an unpublished > piece. > And certainly there is precedence for books tracing the successive > drafts > of famous poems...so I don't know what the gripe would be about that. > > A poem, obviously a successive draft, organized with other > poems in similar state in a binder or folder of some kind, poems > sent in a letter to another poet (like M. Moore) for comment, etc., > may very well be 'finished' (or abandoned per Auden via Valery) > but, for this or that reason remained unsuited for collection. > A few scribble lines from a notebook or on a lipsticked stained > cocktail napkin might be stretch to call 'unpublished'. > Finnegan > The entire review is online here: http://www.powells.com/review/ 2006_04_06 It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of material, but I think it does Bishop no good. Mike S From JforJames Tue Jun 13 20:36:57 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:36:57 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar Message-ID: <4c0.1689df5.31c0b429@aol.com> In a message dated 6/13/2006 7:20:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mandolin at mac.com writes: The entire review is online here: http://www.powells.com/review/ 2006_04_06 It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of material, but I think it does Bishop no good. Mike,I had trouble pulling up at that URL...I'll get in the library tomorrow. But your last comment strikes me as odd... "does Bishop no good," it seems you're being a bit protective of her. I doubt her literary legacy could be tarnished by any one book at this time. And it strikes me as almost an impossibilty that all of her finished poems were in print at the time of her death. She died in 1979 yet the this book was published in 1983? Who got to decide... The Complete Poems 1927-1979 (1983) Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Wed Jun 14 04:05:12 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:05:12 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar References: <306.6026c8b.31c09483@aol.com> Message-ID: <003201c68f89$43735040$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Well, not much can do Bishop any good at this point. Dead, and all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Snider" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar > > On Jun 13, 2006, at 6:21 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > >> I haven't seen the whole Vendler argument against...has others >> read it? (There is just about a paragraph or two on the New Republic's >> online site.) Vendler seems to be arguing that the book is engaging >> in 'false advertising'...that the pieces published in the _Edgar Allan >> Poe_ >> collection were never meant to see the light of day. But it would seem >> that the state of the manuscript copies, evidence from letters, the way >> the material was organized, etc., should be able to tell a scholar or >> careful editor something about how Bishop felt about an unpublished >> piece. >> And certainly there is precedence for books tracing the successive >> drafts >> of famous poems...so I don't know what the gripe would be about that. >> >> A poem, obviously a successive draft, organized with other >> poems in similar state in a binder or folder of some kind, poems >> sent in a letter to another poet (like M. Moore) for comment, etc., >> may very well be 'finished' (or abandoned per Auden via Valery) >> but, for this or that reason remained unsuited for collection. >> A few scribble lines from a notebook or on a lipsticked stained >> cocktail napkin might be stretch to call 'unpublished'. >> Finnegan >> > > The entire review is online here: http://www.powells.com/review/ > 2006_04_06 > > It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number > of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's > poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of > material, but I think it does Bishop no good. > > Mike S > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From letitia.trent Wed Jun 14 08:35:49 2006 From: letitia.trent (L Trent) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:35:49 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] 21stars call for subs Message-ID: http://www.sundress.net/21stars The editors at 21 Stars Review are looking for new and established writers of poetry and prose, with a focus on new writers. We strive to publish work of the highest quality. We have a strong leaning toward work that uses constraints, innovative meter and form, or carefully executed collage/cut-up techniques. Prose with amazing sentences will be preferred over prose with unamazing sentences. Plotless or intricately-plotted very short fiction (ideally under 1000 words) is also something we enjoy. 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URL: From mandolin Wed Jun 14 09:03:56 2006 From: mandolin (Mike Snider) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:03:56 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar Message-ID: <16488050.1150290236373.JavaMail.mandolin@mac.com> Tad and James-- One problem is that the new book is much more attractively packaged and marketed than Bishop's complete, which is rather dowdy (if not downwright ugly), with an informative but certainly not inviting title. For those of us already more or less familiar with her work (whether wee like it ot not) these aren't issues, but think of new readers looking at the two side by side (if the Complete is even in the store)--there's Edgar Allen Poe and the Jukebox in its bright dustjacket, naming the one poet everybody still learns in high school (or do they? I may be out of date). Which is that newbie going to buy? And having read it, if he or she doesn't like it, it won't be because of the qualities manifest in Bishop's previously published work--the work she chose--and that reader may very well miss out on wonderful poetry. On the other hand, if that reader does like the Jukebox, the Complete is likely to be disappointing. On Wednesday, June 14, 2006, at 04:09AM, TheOldMole wrote: >Well, not much can do Bishop any good at this point. Dead, and all. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Snider" >To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:20 PM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar > > >> >> On Jun 13, 2006, at 6:21 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: >> >>> I haven't seen the whole Vendler argument against...has others >>> read it? (There is just about a paragraph or two on the New Republic's >>> online site.) Vendler seems to be arguing that the book is engaging >>> in 'false advertising'...that the pieces published in the _Edgar Allan >>> Poe_ >>> collection were never meant to see the light of day. But it would seem >>> that the state of the manuscript copies, evidence from letters, the way >>> the material was organized, etc., should be able to tell a scholar or >>> careful editor something about how Bishop felt about an unpublished >>> piece. >>> And certainly there is precedence for books tracing the successive >>> drafts >>> of famous poems...so I don't know what the gripe would be about that. >>> >>> A poem, obviously a successive draft, organized with other >>> poems in similar state in a binder or folder of some kind, poems >>> sent in a letter to another poet (like M. Moore) for comment, etc., >>> may very well be 'finished' (or abandoned per Auden via Valery) >>> but, for this or that reason remained unsuited for collection. >>> A few scribble lines from a notebook or on a lipsticked stained >>> cocktail napkin might be stretch to call 'unpublished'. >>> Finnegan >>> >> >> The entire review is online here: http://www.powells.com/review/ >> 2006_04_06 >> >> It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number >> of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's >> poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of >> material, but I think it does Bishop no good. >> >> Mike S >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ----- Sent from webmail, so I'm not at my computer. http://www.mikesnider.org/formalblog for the Sonnetarium From tad Wed Jun 14 11:40:35 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:40:35 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar References: <16488050.1150290236373.JavaMail.mandolin@mac.com> Message-ID: <003001c68fc8$e19e58c0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Mike - this makes a lot of sense, and I understand what you're saying. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Snider" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar > Tad and James-- > > One problem is that the new book is much more attractively packaged and > marketed than Bishop's complete, which is rather dowdy (if not downwright > ugly), with an informative but certainly not inviting title. For those of > us already more or less familiar with her work (whether wee like it ot > not) these aren't issues, but think of new readers looking at the two side > by side (if the Complete is even in the store)--there's Edgar Allen Poe > and the Jukebox in its bright dustjacket, naming the one poet everybody > still learns in high school (or do they? I may be out of date). Which is > that newbie going to buy? And having read it, if he or she doesn't like > it, it won't be because of the qualities manifest in Bishop's previously > published work--the work she chose--and that reader may very well miss out > on wonderful poetry. On the other hand, if that reader does like the > Jukebox, the Complete is likely to be disappointing. > > > On Wednesday, June 14, 2006, at 04:09AM, TheOldMole > wrote: > >>Well, not much can do Bishop any good at this point. Dead, and all. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Michael Snider" >>To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" >> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:20 PM >>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar >> >> >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2006, at 6:21 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> I haven't seen the whole Vendler argument against...has others >>>> read it? (There is just about a paragraph or two on the New >>>> Republic's >>>> online site.) Vendler seems to be arguing that the book is engaging >>>> in 'false advertising'...that the pieces published in the _Edgar Allan >>>> Poe_ >>>> collection were never meant to see the light of day. But it would seem >>>> that the state of the manuscript copies, evidence from letters, the >>>> way >>>> the material was organized, etc., should be able to tell a scholar or >>>> careful editor something about how Bishop felt about an unpublished >>>> piece. >>>> And certainly there is precedence for books tracing the successive >>>> drafts >>>> of famous poems...so I don't know what the gripe would be about that. >>>> >>>> A poem, obviously a successive draft, organized with other >>>> poems in similar state in a binder or folder of some kind, poems >>>> sent in a letter to another poet (like M. Moore) for comment, etc., >>>> may very well be 'finished' (or abandoned per Auden via Valery) >>>> but, for this or that reason remained unsuited for collection. >>>> A few scribble lines from a notebook or on a lipsticked stained >>>> cocktail napkin might be stretch to call 'unpublished'. >>>> Finnegan >>>> >>> >>> The entire review is online here: http://www.powells.com/review/ >>> 2006_04_06 >>> >>> It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number >>> of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's >>> poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of >>> material, but I think it does Bishop no good. >>> >>> Mike S >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > ----- > Sent from webmail, so I'm not at my computer. > http://www.mikesnider.org/formalblog for the Sonnetarium > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From grahamd Wed Jun 14 12:15:21 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:15:21 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Poet Laureate Message-ID: Donald Hall. File this one under: it's about time. http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/06/14/ new_hampshire_poet_donald_hall_named_new_poet_laureate/ ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Wed Jun 14 15:58:29 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:58:29 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Poet Laureate References: Message-ID: <001d01c68fec$eddc7620$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Good choice. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] New Poet Laureate Donald Hall. File this one under: it's about time. http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/06/14/new_hampshire_poet_donald_hall_named_new_poet_laureate/ ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fssam6 Wed Jun 14 17:34:36 2006 From: fssam6 (steve moore) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:34:36 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar In-Reply-To: <200606141600.k5EG05M3005812@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200606141600.k5EG05M3005812@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: "Which is that newbie going to buy? And having read it, if he or she doesn't like it, it won't be because of the qualities manifest in Bishop's previously published work--the work she chose--and that reader may very well miss out on wonderful poetry. On the other hand, if that reader does like the Jukebox, the Complete is likely to be disappointing." It seems to me that if someone is interested enough to actually buy a book of poetry (sarcasm aside, most newbies don't buy works by authors, they buy anthologies), they won't run screaming from the art simply by reading a collection of unfinished work. At some point this fictional reader will come across Bishop again and realize that this was not the only text she produced. Any reader of poetry must eventually turn to the complete collection (however pink and ugly it may be) to have some handle on 20th century American poetry. If they prefer the unfinished to the finished, so much the better. Something for everybody. The way I see it, it's similar to all of the Beatles "recording sessions" albums where they are just messing around. This hasn't kept new fans from coming to the Beatles, only deepened an appreciation for existing fans. On Jun 14, 2006, at 8:00 AM, new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu wrote: > Which is that newbie going to buy? And having read it, if he or she > doesn't like it, it won't be because of the qualities manifest in > Bishop's previously published work--the work she chose--and that > reader may very well miss out on wonderful poetry. 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Plus 'student era poetry' was published with the mature work. (I'm not sure if that material appeared in the prior Complete edition, 1969, appearing a decade before Bishop died.) Anyway, I guess my point is that the Complete itself is not nearly the pure, mature, self-selected Bishop, that Vendler seems to make it out to be. It too has poems Bishop may not have authorized including while she had a say in the matter. According the review in Slate, there was at least one poem Bishop may have held back from publishing due to the overt lesbian nature of the material. But there is no reason now that such a poem shouldn't be more known. I know Frank Bidart was involved in the putting together the posthumous Complete. I wonder if he's expressed any concerns or reservations over this new various and sundry collection? Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry to bother you and I hope you are doing fine, Anny Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry to bother you and I hope you are doing fine, Anny Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini Fri Jun 16 11:22:54 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:22:54 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] new issue of The Drunken Boat Message-ID: <019501c69158$bd3d0440$402ab750@ANNY> The Spring/Summer issue of The Drunken Boat is now online at http://www.thedrunkenboat.com including: An interview with Australian poet, Jill Jones, including her sonnet series "Traverse" and a collaborative project with the photographer Annette Willis "Breath, the hours." A feature of modern Chinese poetry, edited by Inara Cedrins with an introduction by Michael Day, a chapbook of newly translated poems by Xi Chuan and an essay on Xi Chuan's poetry by Maghiel van Crevel, and a chapbook of poems in the manner of Men Jaio by Christopher Kelen, as well as work from : Zhai Yongming Chen Dongdong Yu Jian Duoduo Sun Wenbo Ouyang Jianghe Wang Xiaoni Yin Lichuan Yang Qian Li Sen Li Nan Han Dong Wang Jiaxin In Tibet Woeser Meizhuo Minorities in China Yidam Tsering Baitao Shama Luruo Diji Jimu Langge Chinese poets abroad Bei Dao Ha Jin Xue Di Stephen Shu-Ning Liu Arthur Sze Timothy Liu in Taiwan Chen Kehua Chen Li Hsia Y? Hung Hung in Macao Christopher Kelen Papa Osmubal Yao Feng Jenny Oliveros Lao Agnes Lam Iok Fong Agnes Vong Lai Ieng in Hong Kong P.K. Leung Louise Shew Wan Ho Alan Jefferies Timothy Kaiser in Singapore Felix Cheong Seng Fei Gilbert Koh Yong Shu Hoong Alvin Pang Robert Yeo Eddie Tay Toh Hsien Min Cyril Wong Arthur Yap Translated by Michael Day, Maghiel van Crevel, d dayton, Huichun (Amy) Liang, Steven Schroeder, Yangdon Dhondup, Simon Patton, Alison Mara Friedman, Wang Hao, Andrea Lingenfelter, Tsui-hua Huang, Mike O'Conner, Inara Cedrins, and Christine Tsui-hua Huang. Poems from Greece by Adrianne Kalfopoulou, a chapbook "Anachronistic Night's Dream" by Gail Wronsky with her essay "One Woman's Jonesing for Wonder," Poems by Dzvinia Orlowsky with an introduction, Poems from _The Artist as Alice: >From a Photographer's Life_ with an introduction "On Writing The Artist as Alice: From a Photographer's Life" Best, Rebecca Seiferle www.thedrunkenboat.com tdbeditor at yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd Fri Jun 16 12:07:36 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:07:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <6C17CD5E-499A-4266-B68A-ED9892AF696B@ripon.edu> Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there have been 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The gender breakdown is striking: 36 male, 8 female. Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect things to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them women. (That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") Full list available here: http://www.amyking.org/blog/ Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, I predict. Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini Fri Jun 16 12:39:38 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:39:38 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split References: <6C17CD5E-499A-4266-B68A-ED9892AF696B@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <025601c69163$763f2f40$402ab750@ANNY> well _me then Helen Ruggieri, Suzanne Burns Mill Amy King, yes, the women that are on New Poetry, I am willing to share with some men-poets on the list, no problem. From: David Graham Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:07 PM Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there have been 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The gender breakdown is striking: 36 male, 8 female. Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect things to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them women. (That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") Full list available here: http://www.amyking.org/blog/ Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, I predict. Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Fri Jun 16 12:42:08 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:42:08 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split References: <6C17CD5E-499A-4266-B68A-ED9892AF696B@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <00c301c69163$cf44cbe0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> I'd vote for Rachel Loden, but probably the powers that be wouldn't go for that. Carolyn Forche Sandra Cisneros Annie Finch Carolyn Kizer Marilyn Nelson Maxine Kumin ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there have been 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The gender breakdown is striking: 36 male, 8 female. Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect things to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them women. (That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") Full list available here: http://www.amyking.org/blog/ Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, I predict. Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From david.bircumshaw Fri Jun 16 12:46:00 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:46:00 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] new issue of The Drunken Boat References: <019501c69158$bd3d0440$402ab750@ANNY> Message-ID: <001201c69164$5a7768d0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> delighted to read that Jill is featured and btw >A feature of modern Chinese poetry< on not so modern chinoiserie do people know the wonderful resource at: http://afpc.asso.fr/wengu/wg/wengu.php?l=bienvenue Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: New Poetry Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] new issue of The Drunken Boat The Spring/Summer issue of The Drunken Boat is now online at http://www.thedrunkenboat.com including: An interview with Australian poet, Jill Jones, including her sonnet series "Traverse" and a collaborative project with the photographer Annette Willis "Breath, the hours." A feature of modern Chinese poetry, edited by Inara Cedrins with an introduction by Michael Day, a chapbook of newly translated poems by Xi Chuan and an essay on Xi Chuan's poetry by Maghiel van Crevel, and a chapbook of poems in the manner of Men Jaio by Christopher Kelen, as well as work from : Zhai Yongming Chen Dongdong Yu Jian Duoduo Sun Wenbo Ouyang Jianghe Wang Xiaoni Yin Lichuan Yang Qian Li Sen Li Nan Han Dong Wang Jiaxin In Tibet Woeser Meizhuo Minorities in China Yidam Tsering Baitao Shama Luruo Diji Jimu Langge Chinese poets abroad Bei Dao Ha Jin Xue Di Stephen Shu-Ning Liu Arthur Sze Timothy Liu in Taiwan Chen Kehua Chen Li Hsia Y? Hung Hung in Macao Christopher Kelen Papa Osmubal Yao Feng Jenny Oliveros Lao Agnes Lam Iok Fong Agnes Vong Lai Ieng in Hong Kong P.K. Leung Louise Shew Wan Ho Alan Jefferies Timothy Kaiser in Singapore Felix Cheong Seng Fei Gilbert Koh Yong Shu Hoong Alvin Pang Robert Yeo Eddie Tay Toh Hsien Min Cyril Wong Arthur Yap Translated by Michael Day, Maghiel van Crevel, d dayton, Huichun (Amy) Liang, Steven Schroeder, Yangdon Dhondup, Simon Patton, Alison Mara Friedman, Wang Hao, Andrea Lingenfelter, Tsui-hua Huang, Mike O'Conner, Inara Cedrins, and Christine Tsui-hua Huang. Poems from Greece by Adrianne Kalfopoulou, a chapbook "Anachronistic Night's Dream" by Gail Wronsky with her essay "One Woman's Jonesing for Wonder," Poems by Dzvinia Orlowsky with an introduction, Poems from _The Artist as Alice: From a Photographer's Life_ with an introduction "On Writing The Artist as Alice: From a Photographer's Life" Best, Rebecca Seiferle www.thedrunkenboat.com tdbeditor at yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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URL: From jeff.newberry Fri Jun 16 12:48:54 2006 From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:48:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split In-Reply-To: <00c301c69163$cf44cbe0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> References: <6C17CD5E-499A-4266-B68A-ED9892AF696B@ripon.edu> <00c301c69163$cf44cbe0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <731bb17a0606160948p22c6ef3l9cb24b1d0e79fc2c@mail.gmail.com> I'l second Kizer and Kumin. Jeff Newberry On 6/16/06, TheOldMole wrote: > > I'd vote for Rachel Loden, but probably the powers that be wouldn't go > for that. > > Carolyn Forche > Sandra Cisneros > Annie Finch > Carolyn Kizer > Marilyn Nelson > Maxine Kumin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* David Graham > *To:* NewPoetry & Views > *Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2006 12:07 PM > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split > > > Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there have been > 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The gender breakdown is > striking: 36 male, 8 female. > > Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect things > to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them women. (That counts > Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, > as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") > > Full list available here: > > > http://www.amyking.org/blog/ > > > Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, > I predict. > > > Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? > > > > > > ========================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > *http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html* > > Poetry Library: > > *http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html* > > ========================================== > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A feature of modern Chinese poetry, edited by Inara Cedrins with an introduction by Michael Day, a chapbook of newly translated poems by Xi Chuan and an essay on Xi Chuan's poetry by Maghiel van Crevel, and a chapbook of poems in the manner of Men Jaio by Christopher Kelen, as well as work from : Zhai Yongming Chen Dongdong Yu Jian Duoduo Sun Wenbo Ouyang Jianghe Wang Xiaoni Yin Lichuan Yang Qian Li Sen Li Nan Han Dong Wang Jiaxin In Tibet Woeser Meizhuo Minorities in China Yidam Tsering Baitao Shama Luruo Diji Jimu Langge Chinese poets abroad Bei Dao Ha Jin Xue Di Stephen Shu-Ning Liu Arthur Sze Timothy Liu in Taiwan Chen Kehua Chen Li Hsia Y? Hung Hung in Macao Christopher Kelen Papa Osmubal Yao Feng Jenny Oliveros Lao Agnes Lam Iok Fong Agnes Vong Lai Ieng in Hong Kong P.K. Leung Louise Shew Wan Ho Alan Jefferies Timothy Kaiser in Singapore Felix Cheong Seng Fei Gilbert Koh Yong Shu Hoong Alvin Pang Robert Yeo Eddie Tay Toh Hsien Min Cyril Wong Arthur Yap Translated by Michael Day, Maghiel van Crevel, d dayton, Huichun (Amy) Liang, Steven Schroeder, Yangdon Dhondup, Simon Patton, Alison Mara Friedman, Wang Hao, Andrea Lingenfelter, Tsui-hua Huang, Mike O'Conner, Inara Cedrins, and Christine Tsui-hua Huang. Poems from Greece by Adrianne Kalfopoulou, a chapbook "Anachronistic Night's Dream" by Gail Wronsky with her essay "One Woman's Jonesing for Wonder," Poems by Dzvinia Orlowsky with an introduction, Poems from _The Artist as Alice: From a Photographer's Life_ with an introduction "On Writing The Artist as Alice: From a Photographer's Life" Best, Rebecca Seiferle www.thedrunkenboat.com tdbeditor at yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kumin served in 1981-2, though. My own first choice might be Lucille Clifton, assuming her health permitted. On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:48 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > I'l second Kizer and Kumin. > > Jeff Newberry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Graham > To: NewPoetry & Views > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:07 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split > > > Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there > have been 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The > gender breakdown is striking: 36 male, 8 female. > > > Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect > things to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them > women. (That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in > 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial > Consultants.") > > > Full list available here: > > > http://www.amyking.org/blog/ > > > Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an > excellent PL, I predict. > > > Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? > ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens Fri Jun 16 14:34:37 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split In-Reply-To: <5083C229-C22D-4775-BC2D-319575B1A648@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <20060616183437.79676.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd say if Donald Hall is due, then Lucille Clifton is long and strongly overdue. But politics being what they are ... why would 'they' risk putting her in? David Graham wrote: Good choices. Kumin served in 1981-2, though. My own first choice might be Lucille Clifton, assuming her health permitted. On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:48 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: I'l second Kizer and Kumin. Jeff Newberry ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there have been 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The gender breakdown is striking: 36 male, 8 female. Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect things to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them women. (That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") Full list available here: http://www.amyking.org/blog/ Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, I predict. Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From amyhappens Fri Jun 16 14:56:21 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split In-Reply-To: <388.53dff96.31c45431@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060616185621.17306.qmail@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm sure I'll be corrected if it's not all too obvious, but hasn't Clifton's poetry historically been more politically-inclined than Hall's? Under a regime that cancels a poetry event because of the risk that poets might speak their minds instead of singing pretty verse, why would they pick a poet to be the PL, who would be more apt to say something related to the war? AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/16/2006 2:35:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amyhappens at yahoo.com writes: I'd say if Donald Hall is due, then Lucille Clifton is long and strongly overdue. But politics being what they are ... why would 'they' risk putting her in? What risk would Lucille Clifton pose? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens Fri Jun 16 15:01:01 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I should clarify -- by "politically-inclined" I mean giving voice to the historically disenfranchised of this country (i.e. gender and race). Clifton's poetry deals with racial disparities as well as feminist concerns. amy king wrote: I'm sure I'll be corrected if it's not all too obvious, but hasn't Clifton's poetry historically been more politically-inclined than Hall's? Under a regime that cancels a poetry event because of the risk that poets might speak their minds instead of singing pretty verse, why would they pick a poet to be the PL, who would be more apt to say something related to the war? AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/16/2006 2:35:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amyhappens at yahoo.com writes: I'd say if Donald Hall is due, then Lucille Clifton is long and strongly overdue. But politics being what they are ... why would 'they' risk putting her in? What risk would Lucille Clifton pose? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd Fri Jun 16 15:14:14 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:14:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Stray thoughts on Hall In-Reply-To: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7830722B-7A66-4776-9230-FE09CE73FDC6@ripon.edu> As I've said, I think Clifton would be a wonderful choice for Poet Laureate. It'll be interesting to see what Hall does in the post. Already, I see that a lot of the news coverage on his selection is typically reductive--casting him fairly simply as a poet of rural nostalgia & grief. He's certainly those things, true, but his work is actually amazingly varied in style, theme, formal experiment, tone, and level of political engagement. His recent selected poems covers a remarkable 60 years of writing, and in that time he's done a bit of almost everything. I can't offhand think of another living poet from his generation, with the exception of Hayden Carruth, who's got more tools in his toolbox. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tad Fri Jun 16 15:18:54 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:18:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split References: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <017d01c69179$b5c477e0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> These guys won't be in power forever, unless Bush names himself President For Life. ----- Original Message ----- From: amy king To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split I should clarify -- by "politically-inclined" I mean giving voice to the historically disenfranchised of this country (i.e. gender and race). Clifton's poetry deals with racial disparities as well as feminist concerns. amy king wrote: I'm sure I'll be corrected if it's not all too obvious, but hasn't Clifton's poetry historically been more politically-inclined than Hall's? Under a regime that cancels a poetry event because of the risk that poets might speak their minds instead of singing pretty verse, why would they pick a poet to be the PL, who would be more apt to say something related to the war? AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/16/2006 2:35:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amyhappens at yahoo.com writes: I'd say if Donald Hall is due, then Lucille Clifton is long and strongly overdue. But politics being what they are ... why would 'they' risk putting her in? What risk would Lucille Clifton pose? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mandolin Fri Jun 16 15:27:55 2006 From: mandolin (Michael Snider) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:27:55 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split In-Reply-To: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kooser was (obviously) appointed under Bush and his first public act was a video presentation with John Prine. Kooser asked Prine if there was still a roll for protest-singing, and Prine answered "I think it's a fulltime job." The show ended with Prine singing, at Kooser's request, "Sam Stone," one of the most powerful anti-war songs ever. On Jun 16, 2006, at 15:01 , amy king wrote: > I should clarify -- by "politically-inclined" I mean giving voice > to the historically disenfranchised of this country (i.e. gender > and race). Clifton's poetry deals with racial disparities as well > as feminist concerns. > > amy king wrote: > I'm sure I'll be corrected if it's not all too obvious, but hasn't > Clifton's poetry historically been more politically-inclined than > Hall's? > > Under a regime that cancels a poetry event because of the risk that > poets might speak their minds instead of singing pretty verse, why > would they pick a poet to be the PL, who would be more apt to say > something related to the war? > > > > AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/16/2006 2:35:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > amyhappens at yahoo.com writes: > I'd say if Donald Hall is due, then Lucille Clifton is long and > strongly overdue. But politics being what they are ... why would > 'they' risk putting her in? > What risk would Lucille Clifton pose? > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From grahamd Fri Jun 16 15:33:15 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:33:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split In-Reply-To: References: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0C1F01EF-BAD0-44B8-83CB-AEB24C65DD58@ripon.edu> Yeah, come to think of it: John Prine for Poet Laureate! And more power to Kooser for featuring him. On Jun 16, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Michael Snider wrote: > Kooser was (obviously) appointed under Bush and his first public > act was a video presentation with John Prine. Kooser asked Prine if > there was still a roll for protest-singing, and Prine answered "I > think it's a fulltime job." The show ended with Prine singing, at > Kooser's request, "Sam Stone," one of the most powerful anti-war > songs ever. > > > ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Fri Jun 16 15:48:13 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:48:13 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <321.55920dc.31c464fd@aol.com> I saw Lucille Clifton read a few yearsa go and was struck by her warmth and willingness to speak her mind about just about anything. I think she'd be a wonderful poet laureate. As would John Prine. I'm not sure how much the president has to say about the poet laureate. In a message dated 6/16/2006 3:31:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: Yeah, come to think of it: John Prine for Poet Laureate! And more power to Kooser for featuring him. On Jun 16, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Michael Snider wrote: Kooser was (obviously) appointed under Bush and his first public act was a video presentation with John Prine. Kooser asked Prine if there was still a roll for protest-singing, and Prine answered "I think it's a fulltime job." The show ended with Prine singing, at Kooser's request, "Sam Stone," one of the most powerful anti-war songs ever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wouldn't be surprised if Ted Kooser's nomination had something to do with Dana Gioia. . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman Fri Jun 16 16:48:51 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:48:51 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split References: <388.53dff96.31c45431@aol.com> <015301c69179$4be02950$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <00bf01c69186$4700fc90$4eb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I'd go for Clifton. Don't know how I forgot her the first time. The Mole What I do is paste the poet pictures on the front page of each issue of APR on my walls. That way I'm constantly reminded of who the very best poets of our time in America are. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Fri Jun 16 16:50:58 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:50:58 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <352.1d2178d.31c473b2@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/2006 4:49:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net writes: What I do is paste the poet pictures on the front page of each issue of APR on my walls. That way I'm constantly reminded of who the very best poets of our time in America are. --Bob G. All those pensive gazes upon you at once? I think they would make me feel bad about sitting around in my underwear eating pretzels and ice cream and watching reruns of Seinfeld and Andy Griffith. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DICK Fri Jun 16 16:55:36 2006 From: DICK (DICK at pkmfgvm4.vnet.ibm.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:55:36 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <200606162100.k5GL09Dm004174@d01av03.pok.ibm.com> ***** Reply to your note of: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:13:38 -0400 ************* It strikes me that we could alleviate two imbalances at once - the Gender Split and the Graham gap, by nominating.... Jorie Graham. Richard From JforJames Fri Jun 16 18:35:40 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:35:40 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Stray thoughts on Hall Message-ID: <4c9.1bc945d.31c48c3c@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/2006 3:12:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: As I've said, I think Clifton would be a wonderful choice for Poet Laureate. It'll be interesting to see what Hall does in the post. Already, I see that a lot of the news coverage on his selection is typically reductive--casting him fairly simply as a poet of rural nostalgia & grief. He's certainly those things, true, but his work is actually amazingly varied in style, theme, formal experiment, tone, and level of political engagement. His recent selected poems covers a remarkable 60 years of writing, and in that time he's done a bit of almost everything. I can't offhand think of another living poet from his generation, with the exception of Hayden Carruth, who's got more tools in his toolbox. David, first off, I have no problem with the Donald Hall as Poet Laureate. It is amazing it has taken so long for him to get a turn. But, it's funny, I like to read Hall's criticism, but his poetry is not the kind of work I'm drawn to. I also think it's telling that despite his connections and "verseitality," shall we say, he's never on the tip of one's tongue when thinks to name the best of our living poets. 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A few years back the Poet Laureate position morphed from a largely ceremonially post into position that called for poetry promotion. I think Pinsky was the first activist P Laureate. Collins followed suit. (Kunitz got a pass because of his age; and all he had to do is smile and he'd win converts to poetry.) Gluck tried to throw a wet blanket over the whole enterprise. Then Kooser came only and began beating the drum again.... When Gluck got the nod, she dug in her high heels. She was the recalcitrant laureate. Announcing that she was pleased to get the honor (and whatever small money goes with the post) but that she planned to do nothing to promote poetry. Declaring, in effect, that her poetry was enough of a gift to poetry and the society of those interested in reading poetry. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Kunitz got a pass because of his age; and all he had to do is smile and he'd win converts to poetry.) Gluck tried to throw a wet blanket over the whole enterprise. Then Kooser came only and began beating the drum again.... When Gluck got the nod, she dug in her high heels. She was the recalcitrant laureate. Announcing that she was pleased to get the honor (and whatever small money goes with the post) but that she planned to do nothing to promote poetry. Declaring, in effect, that her poetry was enough of a gift to poetry and the society of those interested in reading poetry. Finnegan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Fri Jun 16 22:12:06 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:12:06 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split References: <318.51f2332.31c4b96a@aol.com> Message-ID: <002e01c691b3$6f14de90$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Carolyn Forche Sandra Cisneros Annie Finch Carolyn Kizer Marilyn Nelson Maxine Kumin Adrienne Rich Tess Gallagher Jean Valentine Linda Gregg Jane Cooper Marilyn Hacker Jane Hirshfield Heather McHugh Ann Waldman Diane DiPrima Mary Kinzie Betty Adcock Linda Gregerson Brenda Hillman C.D. Wright Fleda Brown Jackson Nancy Willard and now I will seriously propose Rachel Loden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm also quite new to this list and enjoying the discussions. Jenny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Sat Jun 17 07:47:33 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:47:33 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <4fa.415a2a.31c545d5@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/2006 11:34:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com writes: Gluck was an unfortunate choice for a public position, for there was nothing public about her poetry. I thing Adrienne Rich or Lucille Clifton would be admirable choices, not to slight Kumin or Kizer (both of whom, I believe, were "poetry consultants." Personally and/or regionally, I recommend Fred Chappell. Fred would be so happy to know he was being included in a discussion of potential women laureates. I think he'd do a fine job though. 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Jeff Newberry On 6/17/06, Jenny Allan wrote: > > Hello > > I've just started a poetry blog at: > > http://intermittent-voices.blogspot.com/ > > not much on it yet... but I hope to keep it fresh. > > I'm also quite new to this list and enjoying the discussions. > > Jenny > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From JforJames Sat Jun 17 09:51:05 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:51:05 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <514.152b5a.31c562c9@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/2006 11:34:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com writes: Gluck was an unfortunate choice for a public position, for there was nothing public about her poetry Sam, That may be true about her poetry. But she no shrinking violet when it comes to public appearances. I've seen her in all kinds of major reading events. So she has not problem putting herself in the public eye...or the po-public eye. I don't know what it was all about. I won't pretend to have window into her feelings on the subject. I might have been the anti-huckersterism expressed by people like Richard Howard who a number of years ago tooked "National Poetry Month" to task, as though it was somehow demeaning to the art of poetry to try to promote it a bit...and hopefully sell a few more books along the way. I'd like to believe the efforts of laureates Pinsky, Collins, Kooser, and to the extent of his capacities Kunitz, were about giving back something to the art. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Sat Jun 17 11:20:12 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:20:12 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <388.55f16a4.31c577ac@aol.com> In a message dated 6/17/2006 9:40:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JforJames at aol.com writes: You mean Fred's a she? Lord, no. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard Sat Jun 17 12:56:16 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:56:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar In-Reply-To: References: <306.6026c8b.31c09483@aol.com> Message-ID: <88CAAC66-87F6-4054-9E01-807CF88D8073@earthlink.net> On Jun 13, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Michael Snider wrote: > > It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a > number of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love > Bishop's poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to > this sort of material, but I think it does Bishop no good. > > Mike S I think it also does no harm, Mike. In museums, I love to see sketches that prepare the way for finished paintings. I also enjoy hearing various versions of musical pieces. There's a marvelous CD that bears an early version of Sibelius's Sym. 5 along with the finished symphony. Hal "Open the mirage that calls you." --Philip Lamantia Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From anny.ballardini Sat Jun 17 13:49:26 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:49:26 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar References: <306.6026c8b.31c09483@aol.com> <88CAAC66-87F6-4054-9E01-807CF88D8073@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008c01c69236$606af770$c78e3052@ANNY> don't know about Bishop, but I would like to support what Hal says re.: museums and sketches. In the visual field, sketches are most important. Remember the ones by Leonardo, those circular lines encircling/drawing clouds, folds, men in the battle, running horses, Leonardo's trait, slanting from left to right. Kandinsky's "Point and Line to Plane" comes from attentive studies of sketches, can't say specifically or only by Leonardo, but sketches indeed. From: "Halvard Johnson" Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:56 PM > > On Jun 13, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Michael Snider wrote: >> >> It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number >> of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's >> poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of >> material, but I think it does Bishop no good. >> >> Mike S > > I think it also does no harm, Mike. In museums, I love to see sketches > that prepare the way > for finished paintings. I also enjoy hearing various versions of musical > pieces. There's > a marvelous CD that bears an early version of Sibelius's Sym. 5 along > with the finished > symphony. > > Hal > > "Open the mirage that calls you." > --Philip Lamantia > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org From grahamd Sat Jun 17 16:17:19 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:17:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] More thoughts on Hall In-Reply-To: <4c9.1bc945d.31c48c3c@aol.com> References: <4c9.1bc945d.31c48c3c@aol.com> Message-ID: On Jun 16, 2006, at 5:35 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > David, first off, I have no problem with the Donald Hall as Poet > Laureate. It is amazing it has taken so long for him to get a turn. > But, it's funny, I like to read Hall's criticism, but his poetry > is not the kind of work I'm drawn to. I also think it's telling that > despite his connections and "verseitality," shall we say, > he's never on the tip of one's tongue when thinks to name > the best of our living poets. (Opinion, anecdotal, for sure) > > But what poems (or poem) strike(s) you as 'signature > and defining', a worthy anthology piece, through and through? > Finnegan It's true that Hall's reputation as poet has often been overshadowed by his reputation as a literary journalist, editor, and performer. He's one of the best readers-aloud I've ever heard--one thing that will serve him well as poet laureate. I hope he gets himself on NPR and PBS a lot. I also have found his criticism very nourishing and inspiring. He's a wonderful close reader as well as provocateur and literary historian. Among his many virtues as a critic, he's been very willing to admit mistakes, revise opinions, and take stabs at sacred cows. Near the ends of their distinguished careers, both Robert Lowell and Robert Penn Warren were mercilessly skewered by Hall for slack and pompous writing--this at a time when few critics dared to say anything negative; when both elders were mostly basking in adulation and picking up awards. Meanwhile, Hall often attempted to stir up the reputations of poets who had not been given their due, such as Robert Francis and Thomas McGrath. Also, during those years when his best friend Robert Bly was throwing out many babies with the bathwater, Hall went right on praising the poetry of E. A. Robinson, Andrew Marvell, and Geoffrey Hill alongside Russell Edson, Whitman, and Lorca. I also am more than a little in awe of Hall's versatility. I recall that one of the many literature anthologies he edited carried a blurb noting that he's the only major anthologist to have published original work in all the genres he edits. I'm not sure I've seen a novel by Hall, but everything else, yes: poetry, literary criticism, drama, short stories, personal essays, memoirs, biography, journalism, children's lit, pedagogy, sportswriting, etc. The poetry, as I noted earlier, is very difficult to categorize. In his 60-plus year career, he's been an academic formalist, a deep image surrealist, a Freudian confessionalist, a folksy narrative poet, a satirist, a Christian devotionalist, and a modernist epic poet. He has published sprawling Whitmanic stuff and Swiftian epigrams and everything in between. I imagine that one reason his purely poetic reputation has suffered a bit as compared to some peers has been that he's been such a chameleon. It could be said, too, that his broad range brings with it a certain amount of unevenness of quality, as one might expect. Personally, I think Hall's got more than his share of fine poems in nearly every mode. In his formalist mode, poems like "My Son My Executioner" and "Christmas Eve at Whitneyville" stand out. During his imagist moments he has written quite a lot of good ones. Some favorites of mine would include "The Town of Hill," "The Man in the Dead Machine," "The Wreckage," and "The Long River." In contrast, I'm not too fond of his more surreal efforts during his "Alligator Bride" period; and a good friend of mine says that the one thing he can't stand is when Hall tries to be funny. ("O Cheese," etc.) And I'm sorry to say that many--not all--of his Jane Kenyon elegies have struck me as sentimental and slackly crafted, alas. Many readers feel he really came into his own in the 1970s with the long-lined, nostaligic, exuberantly pell-mell poems of *Kicking the Leaves*, particularly the title poem of that book. He's mined that vein a lot in the past 30 years, of course. I like them, too, but even better, in my view, are some of his dramatic monologues, such as "Merle Bascom's .22." Those who haven't read his fascinating book-length poem *The One Day* will find that it constitutes a good argument against the reductive view of Hall as a rural nostalgist and sentimental lyricist. Tip of the iceberg here, really. . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rsgwynn1 Sat Jun 17 17:12:45 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:12:45 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] More thoughts on Hall Message-ID: <318.53c70ea.31c5ca4d@cs.com> In a message dated 6/17/2006 3:15:19 PM Central Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: > It could be said, too, that his broad range brings with it a certain > amount of unevenness of quality, as one might expect. > > I'd compare him to John Hollander on this score. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman Sat Jun 17 17:21:18 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:21:18 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] More thoughts on Hall References: <4c9.1bc945d.31c48c3c@aol.com> Message-ID: <012f01c69253$fb5a7c70$4db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Yep, broad range, all right. But one thing I must say for Hall--he actually is on record as having noticed visual poetry. He may be the only poet who became poet laureate who has. He didn't think much of it, of course. I don't recall the details, but I'm pretty sure he got into an assemblage of Richard Kostelanetz's that was devoted to visual poetry. An assemblage (in the case) is a publication compiled from pages sent in by contributors. Could be poetry, essays, whatever. An editor gets 100 copies of each contributor's work, say, then makes a hundred copies of the publication. Representation in the publication is automatic if you send in the required copies. Contributors get paid with a copy. The mainstream ignores the publication. That Hall was involved in such a thing--after he was fairly well known--is a big point in his favor. --Bob G. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] More thoughts on Hall On Jun 16, 2006, at 5:35 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: David, first off, I have no problem with the Donald Hall as Poet Laureate. It is amazing it has taken so long for him to get a turn. But, it's funny, I like to read Hall's criticism, but his poetry is not the kind of work I'm drawn to. I also think it's telling that despite his connections and "verseitality," shall we say, he's never on the tip of one's tongue when thinks to name the best of our living poets. (Opinion, anecdotal, for sure) But what poems (or poem) strike(s) you as 'signature and defining', a worthy anthology piece, through and through? Finnegan It's true that Hall's reputation as poet has often been overshadowed by his reputation as a literary journalist, editor, and performer. He's one of the best readers-aloud I've ever heard--one thing that will serve him well as poet laureate. I hope he gets himself on NPR and PBS a lot. I also have found his criticism very nourishing and inspiring. He's a wonderful close reader as well as provocateur and literary historian. Among his many virtues as a critic, he's been very willing to admit mistakes, revise opinions, and take stabs at sacred cows. Near the ends of their distinguished careers, both Robert Lowell and Robert Penn Warren were mercilessly skewered by Hall for slack and pompous writing--this at a time when few critics dared to say anything negative; when both elders were mostly basking in adulation and picking up awards. Meanwhile, Hall often attempted to stir up the reputations of poets who had not been given their due, such as Robert Francis and Thomas McGrath. Also, during those years when his best friend Robert Bly was throwing out many babies with the bathwater, Hall went right on praising the poetry of E. A. Robinson, Andrew Marvell, and Geoffrey Hill alongside Russell Edson, Whitman, and Lorca. I also am more than a little in awe of Hall's versatility. I recall that one of the many literature anthologies he edited carried a blurb noting that he's the only major anthologist to have published original work in all the genres he edits. I'm not sure I've seen a novel by Hall, but everything else, yes: poetry, literary criticism, drama, short stories, personal essays, memoirs, biography, journalism, children's lit, pedagogy, sportswriting, etc. The poetry, as I noted earlier, is very difficult to categorize. In his 60-plus year career, he's been an academic formalist, a deep image surrealist, a Freudian confessionalist, a folksy narrative poet, a satirist, a Christian devotionalist, and a modernist epic poet. He has published sprawling Whitmanic stuff and Swiftian epigrams and everything in between. I imagine that one reason his purely poetic reputation has suffered a bit as compared to some peers has been that he's been such a chameleon. It could be said, too, that his broad range brings with it a certain amount of unevenness of quality, as one might expect. Personally, I think Hall's got more than his share of fine poems in nearly every mode. In his formalist mode, poems like "My Son My Executioner" and "Christmas Eve at Whitneyville" stand out. During his imagist moments he has written quite a lot of good ones. Some favorites of mine would include "The Town of Hill," "The Man in the Dead Machine," "The Wreckage," and "The Long River." In contrast, I'm not too fond of his more surreal efforts during his "Alligator Bride" period; and a good friend of mine says that the one thing he can't stand is when Hall tries to be funny. ("O Cheese," etc.) And I'm sorry to say that many--not all--of his Jane Kenyon elegies have struck me as sentimental and slackly crafted, alas. Many readers feel he really came into his own in the 1970s with the long-lined, nostaligic, exuberantly pell-mell poems of *Kicking the Leaves*, particularly the title poem of that book. He's mined that vein a lot in the past 30 years, of course. I like them, too, but even better, in my view, are some of his dramatic monologues, such as "Merle Bascom's .22." Those who haven't read his fascinating book-length poem *The One Day* will find that it constitutes a good argument against the reductive view of Hall as a rural nostalgist and sentimental lyricist. Tip of the iceberg here, really. . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd Sat Jun 17 17:45:22 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:45:22 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Signature Hall poem Message-ID: <156AE5A5-6C80-477C-96D0-3CB58F1B7B5E@RIPON.EDU> Jim Finnegan asked for a signature Hall poem, a real anthology piece. As noted, it's difficult to choose and impossible to single out a single mode, but this poem is high on my own list. It's pretty well known, I expect. Ox Cart Man In October of the year, he counts potatoes dug from the brown field, counting the seed, counting the cellar?s portion out, and bags the rest on the cart?s floor. He packs wool sheared in April, honey in combs, linen, leather tanned from deerhide, and vinegar in a barrel hooped by hand at the forge?s fire. He walks by his ox?s head, ten days to Portsmouth Market, and sells potatoes, and the bag that carried potatoes, flaxseed, birch brooms, maple sugar, goose feathers, yarn. When the cart is empty he sells the cart. When the cart is sold he sells the ox, harness and yoke, and walks home, his pockets heavy with the year?s coin for salt and taxes, and at home by fire?s light in November cold stitches new harness for next year?s ox in the barn, and carves the yoke, and saws planks building the cart again. --Donald Hall. Old and New Poems. 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URL: From tad Sat Jun 17 18:56:23 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:56:23 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] More thoughts on Hall References: <4c9.1bc945d.31c48c3c@aol.com> Message-ID: <003b01c69261$41da0cd0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Two pieces of mine on Hall. http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/DHallGW.html http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/hall.html ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] More thoughts on Hall On Jun 16, 2006, at 5:35 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: David, first off, I have no problem with the Donald Hall as Poet Laureate. It is amazing it has taken so long for him to get a turn. But, it's funny, I like to read Hall's criticism, but his poetry is not the kind of work I'm drawn to. I also think it's telling that despite his connections and "verseitality," shall we say, he's never on the tip of one's tongue when thinks to name the best of our living poets. (Opinion, anecdotal, for sure) But what poems (or poem) strike(s) you as 'signature and defining', a worthy anthology piece, through and through? Finnegan It's true that Hall's reputation as poet has often been overshadowed by his reputation as a literary journalist, editor, and performer. He's one of the best readers-aloud I've ever heard--one thing that will serve him well as poet laureate. I hope he gets himself on NPR and PBS a lot. I also have found his criticism very nourishing and inspiring. He's a wonderful close reader as well as provocateur and literary historian. Among his many virtues as a critic, he's been very willing to admit mistakes, revise opinions, and take stabs at sacred cows. Near the ends of their distinguished careers, both Robert Lowell and Robert Penn Warren were mercilessly skewered by Hall for slack and pompous writing--this at a time when few critics dared to say anything negative; when both elders were mostly basking in adulation and picking up awards. Meanwhile, Hall often attempted to stir up the reputations of poets who had not been given their due, such as Robert Francis and Thomas McGrath. Also, during those years when his best friend Robert Bly was throwing out many babies with the bathwater, Hall went right on praising the poetry of E. A. Robinson, Andrew Marvell, and Geoffrey Hill alongside Russell Edson, Whitman, and Lorca. I also am more than a little in awe of Hall's versatility. I recall that one of the many literature anthologies he edited carried a blurb noting that he's the only major anthologist to have published original work in all the genres he edits. I'm not sure I've seen a novel by Hall, but everything else, yes: poetry, literary criticism, drama, short stories, personal essays, memoirs, biography, journalism, children's lit, pedagogy, sportswriting, etc. The poetry, as I noted earlier, is very difficult to categorize. In his 60-plus year career, he's been an academic formalist, a deep image surrealist, a Freudian confessionalist, a folksy narrative poet, a satirist, a Christian devotionalist, and a modernist epic poet. He has published sprawling Whitmanic stuff and Swiftian epigrams and everything in between. I imagine that one reason his purely poetic reputation has suffered a bit as compared to some peers has been that he's been such a chameleon. It could be said, too, that his broad range brings with it a certain amount of unevenness of quality, as one might expect. Personally, I think Hall's got more than his share of fine poems in nearly every mode. In his formalist mode, poems like "My Son My Executioner" and "Christmas Eve at Whitneyville" stand out. During his imagist moments he has written quite a lot of good ones. Some favorites of mine would include "The Town of Hill," "The Man in the Dead Machine," "The Wreckage," and "The Long River." In contrast, I'm not too fond of his more surreal efforts during his "Alligator Bride" period; and a good friend of mine says that the one thing he can't stand is when Hall tries to be funny. ("O Cheese," etc.) And I'm sorry to say that many--not all--of his Jane Kenyon elegies have struck me as sentimental and slackly crafted, alas. Many readers feel he really came into his own in the 1970s with the long-lined, nostaligic, exuberantly pell-mell poems of *Kicking the Leaves*, particularly the title poem of that book. He's mined that vein a lot in the past 30 years, of course. I like them, too, but even better, in my view, are some of his dramatic monologues, such as "Merle Bascom's .22." Those who haven't read his fascinating book-length poem *The One Day* will find that it constitutes a good argument against the reductive view of Hall as a rural nostalgist and sentimental lyricist. Tip of the iceberg here, really. . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(buy now) March 8 Every so often my father comes over for a visit he hangs his overcoat and hat on my hat rack I brief him on recent developments and serve us coffee he is surprised that I like to cook once when he made an omelette he flipped it in the air much to my delight and it landed on the floor yes that was the summer of 1952, he remembered the high breakers and how fearless I was running into the ocean anyway the important thing is to see you doing so well he said and took his coat and hat and left before I remembered he was dead -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(buy now) March 8 Every so often my father comes over for a visit he hangs his overcoat and hat on my hat rack I brief him on recent developments and serve us coffee he is surprised that I like to cook once when he made an omelette he flipped it in the air much to my delight and it landed on the floor yes that was the summer of 1952, he remembered the high breakers and how fearless I was running into the ocean anyway the important thing is to see you doing so well he said and took his coat and hat and left before I remembered he was dead ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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From hruggier Sun Jun 18 10:13:56 2006 From: hruggier (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:13:56 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split References: <6C17CD5E-499A-4266-B68A-ED9892AF696B@ripon.edu> <025601c69163$763f2f40$402ab750@ANNY> Message-ID: <00ed01c692e1$70679010$a7099942@Helen> Anny, what would your platform be when appointed? h ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split well _me then Helen Ruggieri, Suzanne Burns Mill Amy King, yes, the women that are on New Poetry, I am willing to share with some men-poets on the list, no problem. From: David Graham Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:07 PM Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there have been 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The gender breakdown is striking: 36 male, 8 female. Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect things to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them women. (That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") Full list available here: http://www.amyking.org/blog/ Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, I predict. Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From JforJames Sun Jun 18 20:05:11 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:05:11 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Signature Hall poem Message-ID: <424.3edbbd9.31c74437@aol.com> David, Of course this poem has great nouns and a strong visual quality to recommend it. But what it needs most is to rise to the level of 'parable'...and by parable, I don't mean something that tells us what we expect to hear, but that quirky turn of events that seems absurd, strange, leading to an unexpected outcome. This poem ends on the expected note of the great circle of days...we begin where we started, etc... Finnegan In a message dated 6/17/2006 5:43:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: Ox Cart Man In October of the year, he counts potatoes dug from the brown field, counting the seed, counting the cellar?s portion out, and bags the rest on the cart?s floor. He packs wool sheared in April, honey in combs, linen, leather tanned from deerhide, and vinegar in a barrel hooped by hand at the forge?s fire. He walks by his ox?s head, ten days to Portsmouth Market, and sells potatoes, and the bag that carried potatoes, flaxseed, birch brooms, maple sugar, goose feathers, yarn. When the cart is empty he sells the cart. When the cart is sold he sells the ox, harness and yoke, and walks home, his pockets heavy with the year?s coin for salt and taxes, and at home by fire?s light in November cold stitches new harness for next year?s ox in the barn, and carves the yoke, and saws planks building the cart again. --Donald Hall. Old and New Poems. Houghton Mifflin, 1990 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsillima Mon Jun 19 08:50:32 2006 From: rsillima (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060619125032.43967.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS >From the old discourse to the new A bibliography from Proprioception by Charles Olson Blindness for profit Theory of Society by Charles Olson Word writing instead of idea writing (Olson and Logography) Lisa Robertson The Men Copyright on MySpace why your work may belong to Rupert Murdoch What is bad poetry, Robert Pinsky? My Spaceship an anthology for out-of-this-world cats Against professionalism: Going to poetry for knowledge of the world Olson and Althusser ideology and the soul Proprioception as dialectics Proprioception Charles Olson???s other major manifesto On 750,000 weblog visitors A shout out to Zoe Strauss, Sylvia Legris, Catherine Wagner, and Robin Kemp The sexual politics of Projective Verse reading DuPlessis reading Olson Charles Olson, Objectivism & T.S. Eliot http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From cc Mon Jun 19 10:51:25 2006 From: cc (Cris) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:51:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson In-Reply-To: <200606121600.k5CG04M5004513@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200606121600.k5CG04M5004513@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES%20OLSON %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness in the street, and kids gone and the night coming to end the day (which has piled itself up in shallows, and some accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises anew life's endlessness, life itself's Beauty which all forever so long as there is a human race like flowers and, I suppose, other animals--they too must know something of what it is to love, to be alive, to have life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness we arrive in pursuit of --when in such as this hour falling suddenly the air suddenly the voices of each child now distinct, the light itself, as the air, suddenly separating--disassociation of day, wit approaching--love approaching because Night accompanies Heaven coming to love Earth, the ambush they the Sons the usurpers turned on their Father, in the dark knowing his habit, to come, with Night, to make Love to their Mother--& they harmed him, Heaven went away that night, Night stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' action--these losses regained each day when time brings the shortness of Day to an end (Night's daughter leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, again, fall in his Desire onto Earth. Except for this interference of ourselves, children of this long & Eternal sequence of Love & Desire, of our own lives' scandal in the Story as those Sons ruined their Father and gained Earth or Their Right, and divided us--as we too divide the air of Heaven the mode of Love-making which penetrates Earth as if now it, earth, the ball also solely it is as the sun also is, and the moon solely planets--stars, three in all the heavens' million milliions which we can see, at night--all nothing but what is, equally--all physica if now Earth again has, in her will turned to shift her axis and, already in a 10,000 year readjustment of her magnetic field, we'll-- or so Bruce Heezen speculates that then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double Platonic month--two, as there's been two since Indo-European man came from the Caucasus onto the Plains--a like Time--he brought these versions of the animate nature of Creation, of ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll lose because the sun's Gamma--Edda gone to Gamma-- will pour through the enveloping Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us not the stars, not the Universe, solely this extended skin of our own composite body--miracle of form will break--broken into, spoiled in nature and by Universe, dogged down by rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and Love as at this hour, each day, in our mercy of being your Child in the Paternity of only Aether, love us and keep us in Your Receptacle of Which You Are The Source--and Night the Sweetness of the Intercourse of which We Are the Separable, & tentative Eternal creatures, Men, and Women, simulacrum of the Story, semblable of You --of which Life is not solely Ours not Everywhere not all here on Earth & in these troubled stories of our Selves, of our Parents and their repeated occurrence Each Turn of Earth Before Our Own Eyes Each Day She Turns Her Back on Sun, And Night brings Heaven to Her to Begin Again, Love And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of This One System Flying Loose in the melee of the Universe And the Perfect Bowl of the Sky of Gloucester in which these Events May be Seen Each Evening Hour Each Day before Night comes to cover Heaven's approach, to make Love to Earth And bear Us as our Ancestors were So Borne -- Charles Olson From david.bircumshaw Tue Jun 20 07:22:46 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:22:46 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson References: <200606121600.k5CG04M5004513@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <000701c6945b$dcaf2b40$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> I'll do this as one verse then: FLAUNT It was Sunday afternoon and we were a bit pissed and on the kerb-side she saw, and I saw stricken a pigeon lying on the road. Pick pick pick her up she said and so unwilling and willing (because she said) I did which fluttered which panicked which it's scared I said trembled in my hands which we took back in a cardboard box and gave bread & water & bird-seed and put her (we decided it was a she and talked about what was to be her name and I said "Forlorn" which Vicky misheard as "Flaunt") and a man from Animal Rights came round to strangle her but we wouldn't tell him where Flaunt was and in the morning no feathers no blood no Flaunt anymore had flown. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cris" To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read > it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, > another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC > Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove > from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through > Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, > through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the > journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day > in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very > interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES%20OLSON > %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf > ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire > and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book > length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case > you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: > > The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness > in the street, and kids gone and the night > coming to end the day (which has piled itself up > in shallows, and some > accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises > anew life's endlessness, life itself's > Beauty which all forever so long as there is > a human race like flowers and, I suppose, > other animals--they too must know something > of what it is to love, to be alive, to have > life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, > great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much > more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness > we arrive in pursuit of > --when in such as this > hour falling suddenly the air suddenly > the voices of each child now > distinct, the > light itself, as the air, suddenly > separating--disassociation of day, wit > approaching--love approaching because > Night accompanies > Heaven coming > to love Earth, the ambush > they the Sons the usurpers > turned on their > Father, in the dark knowing > his habit, to come, > with Night, to make Love to > their Mother--& they harmed him, > Heaven went away that night, Night > stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' > action--these losses > regained each day when > > time brings > the shortness of > Day to an end (Night's daughter > leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, > again, fall in his Desire onto > Earth. Except for this interference > of ourselves, children of this > long & Eternal sequence of > Love & Desire, of our own lives' > scandal in > the Story > as those Sons ruined > their Father and gained Earth or > Their Right, and divided > us--as we too divide the > air of Heaven the mode of > Love-making which penetrates Earth as > if now it, earth, the > ball also solely it is > as the sun also is, and the moon solely > planets--stars, three in > all the heavens' million milliions > which we can see, at night--all nothing > but what is, equally--all physica > if now Earth again has, in her will turned > to shift her axis and, > already in a > 10,000 year readjustment of > her magnetic field, we'll-- > or so Bruce Heezen speculates that > then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double > Platonic month--two, as > > there's been two since > Indo-European man came > from the Caucasus onto > the Plains--a > like Time--he brought > these versions of the animate > nature of Creation, of > ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll > lose because the sun's > Gamma--Edda gone to > Gamma-- > will pour through the enveloping > Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us > not the stars, not the Universe, solely > this extended skin of our own > composite body--miracle of > form will > break--broken into, spoiled in > nature and by Universe, dogged down by > rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and > Love as > at this hour, each day, in our mercy > of being your Child > in the Paternity of only > Aether, love us and > keep us in Your > Receptacle of > Which You Are The > Source--and Night the > Sweetness of the > Intercourse of which > We Are the Separable, > & tentative Eternal creatures, > Men, > and Women, simulacrum of the > > Story, semblable of > You > --of which Life is not > solely Ours not > Everywhere > not all > here on Earth > & in these > troubled > stories > of our Selves, of our > Parents and their repeated > occurrence > Each Turn of Earth > Before Our Own Eyes > Each Day She > Turns Her Back on > Sun, And Night > brings Heaven > to Her to > Begin Again, Love > And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of > This One System Flying > Loose in the melee of the > Universe > And the Perfect Bowl > of the Sky of Gloucester > in which these Events > May be Seen > Each Evening Hour > Each Day before > Night comes > to cover Heaven's > approach, to make Love to > > Earth > And bear Us > as our Ancestors were > So Borne > > -- Charles Olson > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From david.bircumshaw Tue Jun 20 10:56:59 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:56:59 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson References: <200606121600.k5CG04M5004513@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <001501c69479$c93c1730$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality of its language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite deliberately put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know Olson's wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to take the piss out of that gesture at form. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cris" To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read > it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, > another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC > Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove > from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through > Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, > through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the > journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day > in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very > interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES%20OLSON > %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf > ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire > and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book > length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case > you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: > > The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness > in the street, and kids gone and the night > coming to end the day (which has piled itself up > in shallows, and some > accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises > anew life's endlessness, life itself's > Beauty which all forever so long as there is > a human race like flowers and, I suppose, > other animals--they too must know something > of what it is to love, to be alive, to have > life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, > great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much > more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness > we arrive in pursuit of > --when in such as this > hour falling suddenly the air suddenly > the voices of each child now > distinct, the > light itself, as the air, suddenly > separating--disassociation of day, wit > approaching--love approaching because > Night accompanies > Heaven coming > to love Earth, the ambush > they the Sons the usurpers > turned on their > Father, in the dark knowing > his habit, to come, > with Night, to make Love to > their Mother--& they harmed him, > Heaven went away that night, Night > stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' > action--these losses > regained each day when > > time brings > the shortness of > Day to an end (Night's daughter > leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, > again, fall in his Desire onto > Earth. Except for this interference > of ourselves, children of this > long & Eternal sequence of > Love & Desire, of our own lives' > scandal in > the Story > as those Sons ruined > their Father and gained Earth or > Their Right, and divided > us--as we too divide the > air of Heaven the mode of > Love-making which penetrates Earth as > if now it, earth, the > ball also solely it is > as the sun also is, and the moon solely > planets--stars, three in > all the heavens' million milliions > which we can see, at night--all nothing > but what is, equally--all physica > if now Earth again has, in her will turned > to shift her axis and, > already in a > 10,000 year readjustment of > her magnetic field, we'll-- > or so Bruce Heezen speculates that > then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double > Platonic month--two, as > > there's been two since > Indo-European man came > from the Caucasus onto > the Plains--a > like Time--he brought > these versions of the animate > nature of Creation, of > ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll > lose because the sun's > Gamma--Edda gone to > Gamma-- > will pour through the enveloping > Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us > not the stars, not the Universe, solely > this extended skin of our own > composite body--miracle of > form will > break--broken into, spoiled in > nature and by Universe, dogged down by > rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and > Love as > at this hour, each day, in our mercy > of being your Child > in the Paternity of only > Aether, love us and > keep us in Your > Receptacle of > Which You Are The > Source--and Night the > Sweetness of the > Intercourse of which > We Are the Separable, > & tentative Eternal creatures, > Men, > and Women, simulacrum of the > > Story, semblable of > You > --of which Life is not > solely Ours not > Everywhere > not all > here on Earth > & in these > troubled > stories > of our Selves, of our > Parents and their repeated > occurrence > Each Turn of Earth > Before Our Own Eyes > Each Day She > Turns Her Back on > Sun, And Night > brings Heaven > to Her to > Begin Again, Love > And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of > This One System Flying > Loose in the melee of the > Universe > And the Perfect Bowl > of the Sky of Gloucester > in which these Events > May be Seen > Each Evening Hour > Each Day before > Night comes > to cover Heaven's > approach, to make Love to > > Earth > And bear Us > as our Ancestors were > So Borne > > -- Charles Olson > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jeff.newberry Tue Jun 20 12:06:05 2006 From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:06:05 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online In-Reply-To: <00c101c693b0$38c37aa0$b934010a@Tusa> References: <00c101c693b0$38c37aa0$b934010a@Tusa> Message-ID: <731bb17a0606200906r227bb16ag589e516a0fd626c2@mail.gmail.com> The Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast is now online. Thanks to everyone for making this such a wonderful issue. We are now accepting submissions for our Fall 2006 Issue. All the best, Chris ______________________ Chris Tusa Department of English Louisiana State University Editor, Poetry Southeast http://christusa.net cmtusa at lsu.edu Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the best, Chris ______________________ Chris Tusa Department of English Louisiana State University Editor, Poetry Southeast http://christusa.net cmtusa at lsu.edu -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LauraHeidy Tue Jun 20 12:37:10 2006 From: LauraHeidy (LauraHeidy at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:37:10 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online Message-ID: <50f.a6e286.31c97e36@aol.com> Darn....it IS a wonderful issue. :) Why am I always so happy (and yea verily even amazed) to find a poetry magazine, ezine or otherwise, which contains some rock solid GOOD poetry? I love the Lux poem "Firestarter" and I loved the Jeff Newberry "Croaker Sack Communion" poem as well. Nice work, Jeff. Lo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Tue Jun 20 13:20:59 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:20:59 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Greacen's poetry Message-ID: <229.c4eeeb0.31c9887b@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/2006 8:37:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jessie at salmonpoetry.com writes: Hello Everyone, Robert Greacen's poetry has been a crucial part of Northern Irish literature and culture for over 50 years. We are honoured to present his New & Selected Poems; published this month. http://salmonpoetry.com/greacen.html An excellent, in-depth, interview with Robert can be found in In the Chair: Conversations with Poets from the North of Ireland http://salmonpoetry.com/inthechair.html Poem of the Week subscribers receive a 30% on all books. Many Good Wishes, Jessie ______________________________________________________________________________ ______ At Brendan Behan's Desk by Robert Greacen >From ROBERT GREACEN New & Selected Poems Edited by Jack W. Weaver (Salmon Poetry, 2006) Please click on http://salmonpoetry.com/greacen.html to purchase at 30% discount. Become a Friend of Salmon http://www.salmonpoetry.com/friend.html ______________________________________________________________________________ ______ At Brendan Behan's Desk Full seven years I've sat And scribbled at this desk: Cards, letters, poems, autosnaps, Diary entries, shopping lists, While Beatrice down below hoarded Memories of Brendan in a clutter Of paintings, posters, photos, With, for company, two dogs. To Brendan's ghost I must confess My orderly grey days. At moments I'd like to be out Emptying glasses in the pubs Of Dublin town, blarneying To actors, poets, drunks, Then taxi-ing back to Cuig* Not earlier than three a.m., Rousing the solid citizens, Telling an uncaring world How 'that old triangle Went jingle-jangle Along the banks of the Royal Canal.' Instead, I sit at Brendan's desk, Reading, scribbling, drinking coffee- A Protestant without a horse copyright Robert Grecen ______________________________________________________________________________ _____ About the poet ______________________________________________________________________________ ______ Robert Greacen was born of Scots and Irish stock in Derry/ Londonderry on 24th October 1920 and lived in both urban Belfast and rural Monaghan. Experiences in city and county furnished materials for later poems and reviews. At Methodist College, Belfast, he discovered his gift for writing and developed an interest in leftist politics. Later, at Trinity College Dublin, he pursued a diploma in Social Studies and found friends in artistic circles. He has had an outstanding career, with poems published in Ireland, England, Scotland, France, and the United States, and several volumes in Ireland. Now resident in Dublin, he was honoured by his peers on his seventieth birthday, 1990, with a commemorative volume of poems. In 1995, he was awarded the Irish Times Poetry Prize for his Collected Poems. He continues to write and to be honoured for his achievements. ______________________________________________________________________________ _______ About the Book ______________________________________________________________________________ _______ " I have included poems which represent the several personae the poet uses - the schoolboy from the province of Ulster, the lyrical poet of personal experience, the biographer of the experiences of others, and the inventor of Captain Fox and his son 'Comrade Ted', Fox's friend Kinsky, and Michael the farmer in County Down. With use of his own lovers, relatives, and friends as poetic subjects, Greacen alternates between an air of detachment and one of involvement. As the reader quickly discovers, the 'air' is merely an authorial stance. Whether speaking in his own voice or through those invented, his view of life emerges, as does that of Yeats and Robert Browning in their monologues. For non-European readers (ignorant Americans, like myself), I have added a few notes to shed light on details, which may mean more to the poet than his readers. I trust that they and the poems in Selected & New Poems will help us to find the cat in the dark room, even with a few scratches." Jack W. Weaver Emeritus Professor of English Winthrop University Rock Hill, South Carolina ____ _________________________________________________________________________________ Buy the book ______________________________________________________________________________ _______ Click on this link http://salmonpoetry.com/greacen.html to purchase Retail Price: ?15.00 (euro). 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URL: From JforJames Tue Jun 20 14:23:56 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:23:56 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause an uproar Message-ID: <532.3327af.31c9973c@aol.com> Below is an article about a flap over a recent book publishing drafts and uncollected Eliz. Bishop poetry. I don't think Vendler is correct in her concern for Bishop's legacy. Were there similar concerns voiced when Opus Posthumous was released?... http://www.slate.com/id/2143626/ Casual Perfection Why did the publication of Elizabeth Bishop's drafts cause an uproar? By Meghan O'Rourke Posted Tuesday, June 13, 2006, at 12:43 PM ET Elizabeth Bishop Elizabeth Bishop was a famously meticulous writer. In a poem Robert Lowell once wrote for her, he asked, "Do/ you still hang your words in air, ten years/ unfinished, glued to your notice board, with gaps/ or empties for the unimaginable phrase?/ unerring muse who makes the casual perfect?" It's no wonder, then, that the recent publication of Bishop's hitherto uncollected poems, drafts, and fragments in Edgar Allan Poe & the Juke-Box, edited by Alice Quinn, encountered fierce resistance, and some debate about the value of making this work available to the public. In an outraged piece for The New Republic, Helen Vendler labeled the drafts "maimed and stunted" and rebuked Farrar, Straus and Giroux for choosing to publish the volume. But the posthumous publication of drafts is hardly an uncommon practice. What exactly is it about publishing her drafts that seems so troubling to so many? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I love the Lux poem "Firestarter" and I loved the Jeff Newberry "Croaker Sack Communion" poem as well. Nice work, Jeff. Lo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry Tue Jun 20 20:22:37 2006 From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:22:37 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online In-Reply-To: <009601c694c7$cdba28d0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <50f.a6e286.31c97e36@aol.com> <009601c694c7$cdba28d0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <731bb17a0606201722i1ab8ce07w6b82a5dbe0ed7ca3@mail.gmail.com> Hmm.. I didn't realize that we monitored this list with a copy of The Holt Handbook in hand. Suppose I'll have to watch me verbs y nouns. Cheers, Jeff Newberry On 6/20/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > >rock solid GOOD poetry?< > > Excuse me, but has the English language just died in that phrase from > Laurel and Hardy? > > Rock solid etc ptawah. Rubbish, scowl and grin/grim-ace. > > I'd rather be a Scotland supporter. > > > Best > > Dave > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* LauraHeidy at aol.com > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now > Online > > > Darn....it IS a wonderful issue. :) Why am I always so happy (and yea > verily even amazed) to find a poetry magazine, ezine or otherwise, which > contains some rock solid GOOD poetry? > > I love the Lux poem "Firestarter" and I loved the Jeff Newberry "Croaker > Sack Communion" poem as well. Nice work, Jeff. > > Lo > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Tue Jun 20 20:31:53 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:31:53 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Patchen, poet, anarchist, surrealist... Message-ID: <51d.b9a725.31c9ed79@aol.com> _http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=3259_ (http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=3259) Kenneth Patchen by Eugene Plawiuk - Le Revue Gauche Monday, Jun 19 2006, 11:28am international / culture / other libertarian press Kenneth Patchen was and is an underrated American poet, a surrealist, an anarchist, a founder of the Beat movement, a painter and illustrator. I came across his works when we ran Erewhon Books, the Anarchist Bookstore in Edmonton in the seventies and eighties. His stream of conciousness novel The Journal of Albion Moonlight has many memorable mise et scenes. Like Jesus and Hitler arguing about capital punishment, murder and war on a train. Hitler wins the argument. Or the tale of the little light bulb that hides in the impoverished home of a poor working class family, keeping them in light to live and learn, hiding from the nameless electrical company which wants to kill this lightbulb because unlike its mates, it is eternal. It can provide light forever, but the evil corporation that makes light bulbs has created all the other bulbs to die out, planned obselecence. He was anti-war, a true anarchist pacifist. He spoke out against WWII when it was far from popular to do so, even amongst the left. His wife Miriam was his muse and his most ardent advocate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.bircumshaw Wed Jun 21 01:31:42 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:31:42 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online References: <50f.a6e286.31c97e36@aol.com><009601c694c7$cdba28d0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <731bb17a0606201722i1ab8ce07w6b82a5dbe0ed7ca3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d301c694f3$fb7f1010$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> >Hmm.. I didn't realize that we monitored this list with a copy of The Holt Handbook in hand.< Hey Jeff, wot's the Holt Handbook when it's about? Confused and amused Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Newberry To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online Hmm.. I didn't realize that we monitored this list with a copy of The Holt Handbook in hand. Suppose I'll have to watch me verbs y nouns. Cheers, Jeff Newberry On 6/20/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: >rock solid GOOD poetry?< Excuse me, but has the English language just died in that phrase from Laurel and Hardy? Rock solid etc ptawah. Rubbish, scowl and grin/grim-ace. I'd rather be a Scotland supporter. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: LauraHeidy at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online Darn....it IS a wonderful issue. :) Why am I always so happy (and yea verily even amazed) to find a poetry magazine, ezine or otherwise, which contains some rock solid GOOD poetry? I love the Lux poem "Firestarter" and I loved the Jeff Newberry " Croaker Sack Communion" poem as well. Nice work, Jeff. Lo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cc Wed Jun 21 02:33:19 2006 From: cc (Crisman Cooley) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:33:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <200606201600.k5KG03M5000420@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200606201600.k5KG03M5000420@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <9718EB09-9147-46D5-AEA3-4F95C45F570B@opus0.com> > Dave, I was surprised as I reread while I typed how pronounced the generality, as you rightly call out, is of this poem-- how it strays from Olson's own roots in thing-language of Williams. The poem I quoted is fairly late (1966), quite different from his poems of the '50's. Now I believe the error of equating words with things can be corrected by reading Saussure-- but I agree that general ideas stray from sense perceptions (and the erotic impulse?) and lose their lifeblood, become intellectual ornaments. At this time in his life (if the linked essay is right) Olson 'was only interested in God'-- and of course no idea is more general and less sense-specific than that :). Your reaction poem does not strike me as general at all, the images are quite specific. Olson never relates dialogue, that I can remember, as _Flaunt_ does. The tone is, I would say, flippant, and should be instead kind of grand and sombre, weighty as a stone if you want to pastiche Olson. Maybe that's not what you meant to do, but to express your esthetic reaction to his work, so that the flippancy is more a measure of your own lack of desire to be serious about Olson's seriousness. I actually admire Olson's sincerity. I just finished Nabokov's translation of _Eugene Onegin_ where (to my ears) too much of Nabokov's 'wit' shows through (bird droppings on the monument)-- though I did laugh out loud at how Pushkin's narrator scares ducks by reading poetry to them. I don't know what you mean by "I wanted to take the piss out of that gesture of form." What do you mean by "piss"? Metaphor lost this side of the pond. Must say Olson's "form" is lost on me-- but then I don't like (theologically speaking) his (and Creeley's) notion of form as an extension of content. Shape that's content's no shape at all. I prefer the notion of their Black Mountain College colleague: form as an empty shape that anything can fill-- I mean, of John Cage. But, it's late, Cris > Dave, > my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality > of its > language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite > deliberately > put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know > Olson's > wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to > take the > piss out of that gesture at form. > > Best > > Dave > From: "David Bircumshaw" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson > > I'll do this as one verse then: > > FLAUNT > > It was Sunday afternoon and we > were a bit pissed and on the kerb-side > she saw, and I saw > stricken a pigeon lying on the road. > Pick > pick pick her up she said > and so > unwilling and willing > (because she said) > I did > which fluttered which panicked which > it's scared I said > trembled in my hands which > we took back in a cardboard box > and gave > bread & water & bird-seed > and put her (we > decided it was a she and talked > about what was to be > her name and I > said "Forlorn" which > Vicky misheard as "Flaunt") > and a man from Animal Rights > came round to strangle her > but we wouldn't tell him where Flaunt was > and in the morning > no feathers no blood no > Flaunt anymore had flown. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cris" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > > >> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read >> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, >> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC >> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove >> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through >> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, >> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the >> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day >> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very >> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% >> 20OLSON >> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf >> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire >> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book >> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case >> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: >> >> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness >> in the street, and kids gone and the night >> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up >> in shallows, and some >> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises >> anew life's endlessness, life itself's >> Beauty which all forever so long as there is >> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, >> other animals--they too must know something >> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have >> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, >> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much >> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness >> we arrive in pursuit of >> --when in such as this >> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly >> the voices of each child now >> distinct, the >> light itself, as the air, suddenly >> separating--disassociation of day, wit >> approaching--love approaching because >> Night accompanies >> Heaven coming >> to love Earth, the ambush >> they the Sons the usurpers >> turned on their >> Father, in the dark knowing >> his habit, to come, >> with Night, to make Love to >> their Mother--& they harmed him, >> Heaven went away that night, Night >> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' >> action--these losses >> regained each day when >> >> time brings >> the shortness of >> Day to an end (Night's daughter >> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, >> again, fall in his Desire onto >> Earth. Except for this interference >> of ourselves, children of this >> long & Eternal sequence of >> Love & Desire, of our own lives' >> scandal in >> the Story >> as those Sons ruined >> their Father and gained Earth or >> Their Right, and divided >> us--as we too divide the >> air of Heaven the mode of >> Love-making which penetrates Earth as >> if now it, earth, the >> ball also solely it is >> as the sun also is, and the moon solely >> planets--stars, three in >> all the heavens' million milliions >> which we can see, at night--all nothing >> but what is, equally--all physica >> if now Earth again has, in her will turned >> to shift her axis and, >> already in a >> 10,000 year readjustment of >> her magnetic field, we'll-- >> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that >> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double >> Platonic month--two, as >> >> there's been two since >> Indo-European man came >> from the Caucasus onto >> the Plains--a >> like Time--he brought >> these versions of the animate >> nature of Creation, of >> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll >> lose because the sun's >> Gamma--Edda gone to >> Gamma-- >> will pour through the enveloping >> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us >> not the stars, not the Universe, solely >> this extended skin of our own >> composite body--miracle of >> form will >> break--broken into, spoiled in >> nature and by Universe, dogged down by >> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and >> Love as >> at this hour, each day, in our mercy >> of being your Child >> in the Paternity of only >> Aether, love us and >> keep us in Your >> Receptacle of >> Which You Are The >> Source--and Night the >> Sweetness of the >> Intercourse of which >> We Are the Separable, >> & tentative Eternal creatures, >> Men, >> and Women, simulacrum of the >> >> Story, semblable of >> You >> --of which Life is not >> solely Ours not >> Everywhere >> not all >> here on Earth >> & in these >> troubled >> stories >> of our Selves, of our >> Parents and their repeated >> occurrence >> Each Turn of Earth >> Before Our Own Eyes >> Each Day She >> Turns Her Back on >> Sun, And Night >> brings Heaven >> to Her to >> Begin Again, Love >> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of >> This One System Flying >> Loose in the melee of the >> Universe >> And the Perfect Bowl >> of the Sky of Gloucester >> in which these Events >> May be Seen >> Each Evening Hour >> Each Day before >> Night comes >> to cover Heaven's >> approach, to make Love to >> >> Earth >> And bear Us >> as our Ancestors were >> So Borne >> >> -- Charles Olson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:56:59 +0100 > From: "David Bircumshaw" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <001501c69479$c93c1730$e3c60556 at rayuv8pcloxi9v> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality > of its > language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite > deliberately > put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know > Olson's > wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to > take the > piss out of that gesture at form. > > Best > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cris" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > > >> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read >> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, >> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC >> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove >> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through >> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, >> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the >> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day >> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very >> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% >> 20OLSON >> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf >> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire >> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book >> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case >> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: >> >> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness >> in the street, and kids gone and the night >> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up >> in shallows, and some >> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises >> anew life's endlessness, life itself's >> Beauty which all forever so long as there is >> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, >> other animals--they too must know something >> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have >> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, >> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much >> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness >> we arrive in pursuit of >> --when in such as this >> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly >> the voices of each child now >> distinct, the >> light itself, as the air, suddenly >> separating--disassociation of day, wit >> approaching--love approaching because >> Night accompanies >> Heaven coming >> to love Earth, the ambush >> they the Sons the usurpers >> turned on their >> Father, in the dark knowing >> his habit, to come, >> with Night, to make Love to >> their Mother--& they harmed him, >> Heaven went away that night, Night >> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' >> action--these losses >> regained each day when >> >> time brings >> the shortness of >> Day to an end (Night's daughter >> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, >> again, fall in his Desire onto >> Earth. Except for this interference >> of ourselves, children of this >> long & Eternal sequence of >> Love & Desire, of our own lives' >> scandal in >> the Story >> as those Sons ruined >> their Father and gained Earth or >> Their Right, and divided >> us--as we too divide the >> air of Heaven the mode of >> Love-making which penetrates Earth as >> if now it, earth, the >> ball also solely it is >> as the sun also is, and the moon solely >> planets--stars, three in >> all the heavens' million milliions >> which we can see, at night--all nothing >> but what is, equally--all physica >> if now Earth again has, in her will turned >> to shift her axis and, >> already in a >> 10,000 year readjustment of >> her magnetic field, we'll-- >> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that >> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double >> Platonic month--two, as >> >> there's been two since >> Indo-European man came >> from the Caucasus onto >> the Plains--a >> like Time--he brought >> these versions of the animate >> nature of Creation, of >> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll >> lose because the sun's >> Gamma--Edda gone to >> Gamma-- >> will pour through the enveloping >> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us >> not the stars, not the Universe, solely >> this extended skin of our own >> composite body--miracle of >> form will >> break--broken into, spoiled in >> nature and by Universe, dogged down by >> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and >> Love as >> at this hour, each day, in our mercy >> of being your Child >> in the Paternity of only >> Aether, love us and >> keep us in Your >> Receptacle of >> Which You Are The >> Source--and Night the >> Sweetness of the >> Intercourse of which >> We Are the Separable, >> & tentative Eternal creatures, >> Men, >> and Women, simulacrum of the >> >> Story, semblable of >> You >> --of which Life is not >> solely Ours not >> Everywhere >> not all >> here on Earth >> & in these >> troubled >> stories >> of our Selves, of our >> Parents and their repeated >> occurrence >> Each Turn of Earth >> Before Our Own Eyes >> Each Day She >> Turns Her Back on >> Sun, And Night >> brings Heaven >> to Her to >> Begin Again, Love >> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of >> This One System Flying >> Loose in the melee of the >> Universe >> And the Perfect Bowl >> of the Sky of Gloucester >> in which these Events >> May be Seen >> Each Evening Hour >> Each Day before >> Night comes >> to cover Heaven's >> approach, to make Love to >> >> Earth >> And bear Us >> as our Ancestors were >> So Borne >> >> -- Charles Olson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 > ****************************************** From cc Wed Jun 21 02:49:59 2006 From: cc (Crisman Cooley) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:49:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Olson In-Reply-To: <200606210645.k5L6jEM5012143@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200606210645.k5L6jEM5012143@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4513E781-CB7B-4F64-AE9C-313D224756A1@opus0.com> p.s. I noticed yesterday that Ron Silliman's been talking up Olson on his blog-- I'll read and report back. > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:33:19 -0500 > From: Crisman Cooley > Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Message-ID: <9718EB09-9147-46D5-AEA3-4F95C45F570B at opus0.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >> > Dave, > I was surprised as I reread while I typed how pronounced the > generality, as you rightly call out, is of this poem-- how it strays > from Olson's own roots in thing-language of Williams. The poem I > quoted is fairly late (1966), quite different from his poems of the > '50's. Now I believe the error of equating words with things can be > corrected by reading Saussure-- but I agree that general ideas stray > from sense perceptions (and the erotic impulse?) and lose their > lifeblood, become intellectual ornaments. At this time in his life > (if the linked essay is right) Olson 'was only interested in God'-- > and of course no idea is more general and less sense-specific than > that :). > > Your reaction poem does not strike me as general at all, the images > are quite specific. Olson never relates dialogue, that I can > remember, as _Flaunt_ does. The tone is, I would say, flippant, and > should be instead kind of grand and sombre, weighty as a stone if you > want to pastiche Olson. Maybe that's not what you meant to do, but > to express your esthetic reaction to his work, so that the flippancy > is more a measure of your own lack of desire to be serious about > Olson's seriousness. I actually admire Olson's sincerity. I just > finished Nabokov's translation of _Eugene Onegin_ where (to my ears) > too much of Nabokov's 'wit' shows through (bird droppings on the > monument)-- though I did laugh out loud at how Pushkin's narrator > scares ducks by reading poetry to them. I don't know what you mean > by "I wanted to take the piss out of that gesture of form." What do > you mean by "piss"? Metaphor lost this side of the pond. Must say > Olson's "form" is lost on me-- but then I don't like (theologically > speaking) his (and Creeley's) notion of form as an extension of > content. Shape that's content's no shape at all. I prefer the > notion of their Black Mountain College colleague: form as an empty > shape that anything can fill-- I mean, of John Cage. > > But, it's late, > Cris > > > > >> Dave, > > >> my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality >> of its >> language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite >> deliberately >> put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know >> Olson's >> wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to >> take the >> piss out of that gesture at form. >> >> Best >> >> Dave > > > >> From: "David Bircumshaw" >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson >> >> I'll do this as one verse then: >> >> FLAUNT >> >> It was Sunday afternoon and we >> were a bit pissed and on the kerb-side >> she saw, and I saw >> stricken a pigeon lying on the road. >> Pick >> pick pick her up she said >> and so >> unwilling and willing >> (because she said) >> I did >> which fluttered which panicked which >> it's scared I said >> trembled in my hands which >> we took back in a cardboard box >> and gave >> bread & water & bird-seed >> and put her (we >> decided it was a she and talked >> about what was to be >> her name and I >> said "Forlorn" which >> Vicky misheard as "Flaunt") >> and a man from Animal Rights >> came round to strangle her >> but we wouldn't tell him where Flaunt was >> and in the morning >> no feathers no blood no >> Flaunt anymore had flown. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cris" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson >> >> >>> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read >>> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, >>> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC >>> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove >>> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) >>> through >>> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, >>> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the >>> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day >>> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very >>> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% >>> 20OLSON >>> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf >>> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire >>> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book >>> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case >>> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: >>> >>> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness >>> in the street, and kids gone and the night >>> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up >>> in shallows, and some >>> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises >>> anew life's endlessness, life itself's >>> Beauty which all forever so long as there is >>> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, >>> other animals--they too must know something >>> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have >>> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, >>> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much >>> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness >>> we arrive in pursuit of >>> --when in such as this >>> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly >>> the voices of each child now >>> distinct, the >>> light itself, as the air, suddenly >>> separating--disassociation of day, wit >>> approaching--love approaching because >>> Night accompanies >>> Heaven coming >>> to love Earth, the ambush >>> they the Sons the usurpers >>> turned on their >>> Father, in the dark knowing >>> his habit, to come, >>> with Night, to make Love to >>> their Mother--& they harmed him, >>> Heaven went away that night, Night >>> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' >>> action--these losses >>> regained each day when >>> >>> time brings >>> the shortness of >>> Day to an end (Night's daughter >>> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, >>> again, fall in his Desire onto >>> Earth. Except for this interference >>> of ourselves, children of this >>> long & Eternal sequence of >>> Love & Desire, of our own lives' >>> scandal in >>> the Story >>> as those Sons ruined >>> their Father and gained Earth or >>> Their Right, and divided >>> us--as we too divide the >>> air of Heaven the mode of >>> Love-making which penetrates Earth as >>> if now it, earth, the >>> ball also solely it is >>> as the sun also is, and the moon solely >>> planets--stars, three in >>> all the heavens' million milliions >>> which we can see, at night--all nothing >>> but what is, equally--all physica >>> if now Earth again has, in her will turned >>> to shift her axis and, >>> already in a >>> 10,000 year readjustment of >>> her magnetic field, we'll-- >>> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that >>> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double >>> Platonic month--two, as >>> >>> there's been two since >>> Indo-European man came >>> from the Caucasus onto >>> the Plains--a >>> like Time--he brought >>> these versions of the animate >>> nature of Creation, of >>> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll >>> lose because the sun's >>> Gamma--Edda gone to >>> Gamma-- >>> will pour through the enveloping >>> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us >>> not the stars, not the Universe, solely >>> this extended skin of our own >>> composite body--miracle of >>> form will >>> break--broken into, spoiled in >>> nature and by Universe, dogged down by >>> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and >>> Love as >>> at this hour, each day, in our mercy >>> of being your Child >>> in the Paternity of only >>> Aether, love us and >>> keep us in Your >>> Receptacle of >>> Which You Are The >>> Source--and Night the >>> Sweetness of the >>> Intercourse of which >>> We Are the Separable, >>> & tentative Eternal creatures, >>> Men, >>> and Women, simulacrum of the >>> >>> Story, semblable of >>> You >>> --of which Life is not >>> solely Ours not >>> Everywhere >>> not all >>> here on Earth >>> & in these >>> troubled >>> stories >>> of our Selves, of our >>> Parents and their repeated >>> occurrence >>> Each Turn of Earth >>> Before Our Own Eyes >>> Each Day She >>> Turns Her Back on >>> Sun, And Night >>> brings Heaven >>> to Her to >>> Begin Again, Love >>> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of >>> This One System Flying >>> Loose in the melee of the >>> Universe >>> And the Perfect Bowl >>> of the Sky of Gloucester >>> in which these Events >>> May be Seen >>> Each Evening Hour >>> Each Day before >>> Night comes >>> to cover Heaven's >>> approach, to make Love to >>> >>> Earth >>> And bear Us >>> as our Ancestors were >>> So Borne >>> >>> -- Charles Olson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:56:59 +0100 >> From: "David Bircumshaw" >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" >> >> Message-ID: <001501c69479$c93c1730$e3c60556 at rayuv8pcloxi9v> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality >> of its >> language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite >> deliberately >> put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know >> Olson's >> wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to >> take the >> piss out of that gesture at form. >> >> Best >> >> Dave >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cris" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson >> >> >>> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read >>> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, >>> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC >>> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove >>> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) >>> through >>> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, >>> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the >>> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day >>> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very >>> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% >>> 20OLSON >>> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf >>> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire >>> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book >>> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case >>> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: >>> >>> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness >>> in the street, and kids gone and the night >>> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up >>> in shallows, and some >>> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises >>> anew life's endlessness, life itself's >>> Beauty which all forever so long as there is >>> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, >>> other animals--they too must know something >>> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have >>> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, >>> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much >>> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness >>> we arrive in pursuit of >>> --when in such as this >>> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly >>> the voices of each child now >>> distinct, the >>> light itself, as the air, suddenly >>> separating--disassociation of day, wit >>> approaching--love approaching because >>> Night accompanies >>> Heaven coming >>> to love Earth, the ambush >>> they the Sons the usurpers >>> turned on their >>> Father, in the dark knowing >>> his habit, to come, >>> with Night, to make Love to >>> their Mother--& they harmed him, >>> Heaven went away that night, Night >>> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' >>> action--these losses >>> regained each day when >>> >>> time brings >>> the shortness of >>> Day to an end (Night's daughter >>> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, >>> again, fall in his Desire onto >>> Earth. Except for this interference >>> of ourselves, children of this >>> long & Eternal sequence of >>> Love & Desire, of our own lives' >>> scandal in >>> the Story >>> as those Sons ruined >>> their Father and gained Earth or >>> Their Right, and divided >>> us--as we too divide the >>> air of Heaven the mode of >>> Love-making which penetrates Earth as >>> if now it, earth, the >>> ball also solely it is >>> as the sun also is, and the moon solely >>> planets--stars, three in >>> all the heavens' million milliions >>> which we can see, at night--all nothing >>> but what is, equally--all physica >>> if now Earth again has, in her will turned >>> to shift her axis and, >>> already in a >>> 10,000 year readjustment of >>> her magnetic field, we'll-- >>> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that >>> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double >>> Platonic month--two, as >>> >>> there's been two since >>> Indo-European man came >>> from the Caucasus onto >>> the Plains--a >>> like Time--he brought >>> these versions of the animate >>> nature of Creation, of >>> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll >>> lose because the sun's >>> Gamma--Edda gone to >>> Gamma-- >>> will pour through the enveloping >>> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us >>> not the stars, not the Universe, solely >>> this extended skin of our own >>> composite body--miracle of >>> form will >>> break--broken into, spoiled in >>> nature and by Universe, dogged down by >>> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and >>> Love as >>> at this hour, each day, in our mercy >>> of being your Child >>> in the Paternity of only >>> Aether, love us and >>> keep us in Your >>> Receptacle of >>> Which You Are The >>> Source--and Night the >>> Sweetness of the >>> Intercourse of which >>> We Are the Separable, >>> & tentative Eternal creatures, >>> Men, >>> and Women, simulacrum of the >>> >>> Story, semblable of >>> You >>> --of which Life is not >>> solely Ours not >>> Everywhere >>> not all >>> here on Earth >>> & in these >>> troubled >>> stories >>> of our Selves, of our >>> Parents and their repeated >>> occurrence >>> Each Turn of Earth >>> Before Our Own Eyes >>> Each Day She >>> Turns Her Back on >>> Sun, And Night >>> brings Heaven >>> to Her to >>> Begin Again, Love >>> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of >>> This One System Flying >>> Loose in the melee of the >>> Universe >>> And the Perfect Bowl >>> of the Sky of Gloucester >>> in which these Events >>> May be Seen >>> Each Evening Hour >>> Each Day before >>> Night comes >>> to cover Heaven's >>> approach, to make Love to >>> >>> Earth >>> And bear Us >>> as our Ancestors were >>> So Borne >>> >>> -- Charles Olson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 >> ****************************************** > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 25 > ****************************************** From david.bircumshaw Wed Jun 21 04:05:10 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:05:10 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 References: <200606201600.k5KG03M5000420@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <9718EB09-9147-46D5-AEA3-4F95C45F570B@opus0.com> Message-ID: <000901c69509$6c13d080$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Hi Cris nice post. My own reaction to Olson (and I suspected it was a late one btw) was about form. "Flant" btw is, was, a this really happened poem. Taking the piss? - ok, Britspeak, can be translated as taking the mickey, that's not a satisfactory equivalent but it's along those lines. All the Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crisman Cooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:33 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 > > > Dave, > I was surprised as I reread while I typed how pronounced the > generality, as you rightly call out, is of this poem-- how it strays > from Olson's own roots in thing-language of Williams. The poem I > quoted is fairly late (1966), quite different from his poems of the > '50's. Now I believe the error of equating words with things can be > corrected by reading Saussure-- but I agree that general ideas stray > from sense perceptions (and the erotic impulse?) and lose their > lifeblood, become intellectual ornaments. At this time in his life > (if the linked essay is right) Olson 'was only interested in God'-- > and of course no idea is more general and less sense-specific than > that :). > > Your reaction poem does not strike me as general at all, the images > are quite specific. Olson never relates dialogue, that I can > remember, as _Flaunt_ does. The tone is, I would say, flippant, and > should be instead kind of grand and sombre, weighty as a stone if you > want to pastiche Olson. Maybe that's not what you meant to do, but > to express your esthetic reaction to his work, so that the flippancy > is more a measure of your own lack of desire to be serious about > Olson's seriousness. I actually admire Olson's sincerity. I just > finished Nabokov's translation of _Eugene Onegin_ where (to my ears) > too much of Nabokov's 'wit' shows through (bird droppings on the > monument)-- though I did laugh out loud at how Pushkin's narrator > scares ducks by reading poetry to them. I don't know what you mean > by "I wanted to take the piss out of that gesture of form." What do > you mean by "piss"? Metaphor lost this side of the pond. Must say > Olson's "form" is lost on me-- but then I don't like (theologically > speaking) his (and Creeley's) notion of form as an extension of > content. Shape that's content's no shape at all. I prefer the > notion of their Black Mountain College colleague: form as an empty > shape that anything can fill-- I mean, of John Cage. > > But, it's late, > Cris > > > > > > Dave, > > > > my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality > > of its > > language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite > > deliberately > > put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know > > Olson's > > wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to > > take the > > piss out of that gesture at form. > > > > Best > > > > Dave > > > > > From: "David Bircumshaw" > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson > > > > I'll do this as one verse then: > > > > FLAUNT > > > > It was Sunday afternoon and we > > were a bit pissed and on the kerb-side > > she saw, and I saw > > stricken a pigeon lying on the road. > > Pick > > pick pick her up she said > > and so > > unwilling and willing > > (because she said) > > I did > > which fluttered which panicked which > > it's scared I said > > trembled in my hands which > > we took back in a cardboard box > > and gave > > bread & water & bird-seed > > and put her (we > > decided it was a she and talked > > about what was to be > > her name and I > > said "Forlorn" which > > Vicky misheard as "Flaunt") > > and a man from Animal Rights > > came round to strangle her > > but we wouldn't tell him where Flaunt was > > and in the morning > > no feathers no blood no > > Flaunt anymore had flown. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cris" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > > > > > >> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read > >> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, > >> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC > >> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove > >> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through > >> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, > >> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the > >> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day > >> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very > >> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ > >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% > >> 20OLSON > >> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf > >> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire > >> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book > >> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case > >> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: > >> > >> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness > >> in the street, and kids gone and the night > >> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up > >> in shallows, and some > >> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises > >> anew life's endlessness, life itself's > >> Beauty which all forever so long as there is > >> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, > >> other animals--they too must know something > >> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have > >> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, > >> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much > >> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness > >> we arrive in pursuit of > >> --when in such as this > >> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly > >> the voices of each child now > >> distinct, the > >> light itself, as the air, suddenly > >> separating--disassociation of day, wit > >> approaching--love approaching because > >> Night accompanies > >> Heaven coming > >> to love Earth, the ambush > >> they the Sons the usurpers > >> turned on their > >> Father, in the dark knowing > >> his habit, to come, > >> with Night, to make Love to > >> their Mother--& they harmed him, > >> Heaven went away that night, Night > >> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' > >> action--these losses > >> regained each day when > >> > >> time brings > >> the shortness of > >> Day to an end (Night's daughter > >> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, > >> again, fall in his Desire onto > >> Earth. Except for this interference > >> of ourselves, children of this > >> long & Eternal sequence of > >> Love & Desire, of our own lives' > >> scandal in > >> the Story > >> as those Sons ruined > >> their Father and gained Earth or > >> Their Right, and divided > >> us--as we too divide the > >> air of Heaven the mode of > >> Love-making which penetrates Earth as > >> if now it, earth, the > >> ball also solely it is > >> as the sun also is, and the moon solely > >> planets--stars, three in > >> all the heavens' million milliions > >> which we can see, at night--all nothing > >> but what is, equally--all physica > >> if now Earth again has, in her will turned > >> to shift her axis and, > >> already in a > >> 10,000 year readjustment of > >> her magnetic field, we'll-- > >> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that > >> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double > >> Platonic month--two, as > >> > >> there's been two since > >> Indo-European man came > >> from the Caucasus onto > >> the Plains--a > >> like Time--he brought > >> these versions of the animate > >> nature of Creation, of > >> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll > >> lose because the sun's > >> Gamma--Edda gone to > >> Gamma-- > >> will pour through the enveloping > >> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us > >> not the stars, not the Universe, solely > >> this extended skin of our own > >> composite body--miracle of > >> form will > >> break--broken into, spoiled in > >> nature and by Universe, dogged down by > >> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and > >> Love as > >> at this hour, each day, in our mercy > >> of being your Child > >> in the Paternity of only > >> Aether, love us and > >> keep us in Your > >> Receptacle of > >> Which You Are The > >> Source--and Night the > >> Sweetness of the > >> Intercourse of which > >> We Are the Separable, > >> & tentative Eternal creatures, > >> Men, > >> and Women, simulacrum of the > >> > >> Story, semblable of > >> You > >> --of which Life is not > >> solely Ours not > >> Everywhere > >> not all > >> here on Earth > >> & in these > >> troubled > >> stories > >> of our Selves, of our > >> Parents and their repeated > >> occurrence > >> Each Turn of Earth > >> Before Our Own Eyes > >> Each Day She > >> Turns Her Back on > >> Sun, And Night > >> brings Heaven > >> to Her to > >> Begin Again, Love > >> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of > >> This One System Flying > >> Loose in the melee of the > >> Universe > >> And the Perfect Bowl > >> of the Sky of Gloucester > >> in which these Events > >> May be Seen > >> Each Evening Hour > >> Each Day before > >> Night comes > >> to cover Heaven's > >> approach, to make Love to > >> > >> Earth > >> And bear Us > >> as our Ancestors were > >> So Borne > >> > >> -- Charles Olson > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:56:59 +0100 > > From: "David Bircumshaw" > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > > > Message-ID: <001501c69479$c93c1730$e3c60556 at rayuv8pcloxi9v> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality > > of its > > language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite > > deliberately > > put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know > > Olson's > > wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to > > take the > > piss out of that gesture at form. > > > > Best > > > > Dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cris" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > > > > > >> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read > >> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, > >> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC > >> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove > >> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through > >> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, > >> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the > >> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day > >> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very > >> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ > >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% > >> 20OLSON > >> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf > >> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire > >> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book > >> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case > >> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: > >> > >> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness > >> in the street, and kids gone and the night > >> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up > >> in shallows, and some > >> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises > >> anew life's endlessness, life itself's > >> Beauty which all forever so long as there is > >> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, > >> other animals--they too must know something > >> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have > >> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, > >> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much > >> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness > >> we arrive in pursuit of > >> --when in such as this > >> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly > >> the voices of each child now > >> distinct, the > >> light itself, as the air, suddenly > >> separating--disassociation of day, wit > >> approaching--love approaching because > >> Night accompanies > >> Heaven coming > >> to love Earth, the ambush > >> they the Sons the usurpers > >> turned on their > >> Father, in the dark knowing > >> his habit, to come, > >> with Night, to make Love to > >> their Mother--& they harmed him, > >> Heaven went away that night, Night > >> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' > >> action--these losses > >> regained each day when > >> > >> time brings > >> the shortness of > >> Day to an end (Night's daughter > >> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, > >> again, fall in his Desire onto > >> Earth. Except for this interference > >> of ourselves, children of this > >> long & Eternal sequence of > >> Love & Desire, of our own lives' > >> scandal in > >> the Story > >> as those Sons ruined > >> their Father and gained Earth or > >> Their Right, and divided > >> us--as we too divide the > >> air of Heaven the mode of > >> Love-making which penetrates Earth as > >> if now it, earth, the > >> ball also solely it is > >> as the sun also is, and the moon solely > >> planets--stars, three in > >> all the heavens' million milliions > >> which we can see, at night--all nothing > >> but what is, equally--all physica > >> if now Earth again has, in her will turned > >> to shift her axis and, > >> already in a > >> 10,000 year readjustment of > >> her magnetic field, we'll-- > >> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that > >> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double > >> Platonic month--two, as > >> > >> there's been two since > >> Indo-European man came > >> from the Caucasus onto > >> the Plains--a > >> like Time--he brought > >> these versions of the animate > >> nature of Creation, of > >> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll > >> lose because the sun's > >> Gamma--Edda gone to > >> Gamma-- > >> will pour through the enveloping > >> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us > >> not the stars, not the Universe, solely > >> this extended skin of our own > >> composite body--miracle of > >> form will > >> break--broken into, spoiled in > >> nature and by Universe, dogged down by > >> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and > >> Love as > >> at this hour, each day, in our mercy > >> of being your Child > >> in the Paternity of only > >> Aether, love us and > >> keep us in Your > >> Receptacle of > >> Which You Are The > >> Source--and Night the > >> Sweetness of the > >> Intercourse of which > >> We Are the Separable, > >> & tentative Eternal creatures, > >> Men, > >> and Women, simulacrum of the > >> > >> Story, semblable of > >> You > >> --of which Life is not > >> solely Ours not > >> Everywhere > >> not all > >> here on Earth > >> & in these > >> troubled > >> stories > >> of our Selves, of our > >> Parents and their repeated > >> occurrence > >> Each Turn of Earth > >> Before Our Own Eyes > >> Each Day She > >> Turns Her Back on > >> Sun, And Night > >> brings Heaven > >> to Her to > >> Begin Again, Love > >> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of > >> This One System Flying > >> Loose in the melee of the > >> Universe > >> And the Perfect Bowl > >> of the Sky of Gloucester > >> in which these Events > >> May be Seen > >> Each Evening Hour > >> Each Day before > >> Night comes > >> to cover Heaven's > >> approach, to make Love to > >> > >> Earth > >> And bear Us > >> as our Ancestors were > >> So Borne > >> > >> -- Charles Olson > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 > > ****************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From robin.hamilton2 Tue Jun 20 17:51:46 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:51:46 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Greacen's poetry References: <229.c4eeeb0.31c9887b@aol.com> Message-ID: <003a01c69510$f84bcb50$d08f3e0a@PC232542321673> Hey, Jessie, this is great news! I remember years ago Robert Greacen reading the Captain Fox poems in his flat in London (I think before the sequence was finished) what must be all of thirty years ago now. Blew my mind (and I was over the moon when it came out as a book). Matthew Sweeney was a member of that group, how I came to meet Robert in the first place. I didn't actually teach Matthew -- he was on a different course -- but he was a student at North London Polytechnic (as was) while I was adjunct teaching there in the seventies. How time passes ... I'll check out the interview, and order the book, on Friday. Typing this offline, as when I go online (at a wifi hotspot at the British Library) I pay ?4.50 an hour, so I'm basically nicking on, uploading and downloading emails, then departing like a scalded rabbit till I get back home. May I forward this announcement to british-poetry and poetry etc (if it's not been posted there already)? Robin (Give my regards to Robert if you're in touch with him.) ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Greacen's poetry In a message dated 6/20/2006 8:37:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jessie at salmonpoetry.com writes: Hello Everyone, Robert Greacen's poetry has been a crucial part of Northern Irish literature and culture for over 50 years. We are honoured to present his New & Selected Poems; published this month. http://salmonpoetry.com/greacen.html From jeff.newberry Wed Jun 21 08:51:28 2006 From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:51:28 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online In-Reply-To: <00d301c694f3$fb7f1010$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <50f.a6e286.31c97e36@aol.com> <009601c694c7$cdba28d0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <731bb17a0606201722i1ab8ce07w6b82a5dbe0ed7ca3@mail.gmail.com> <00d301c694f3$fb7f1010$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <731bb17a0606210551y526b2524x9b1c3b2e8802d72b@mail.gmail.com> Oh--sorry David, I was being a bit antagonistic. It's a freshman/sophomore-level grammar handbook, common in American universities. All the best, Jeff Newberry On 6/21/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > >Hmm.. > > I didn't realize that we monitored this list with a copy of The Holt > Handbook in hand.< > > Hey Jeff, wot's the Holt Handbook when it's about? > > Confused and amused > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jeff Newberry > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:22 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now > Online > > > Hmm.. > > I didn't realize that we monitored this list with a copy of The Holt > Handbook in hand. > > Suppose I'll have to watch me verbs y nouns. > > Cheers, > > Jeff Newberry > > > On 6/20/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > > > >rock solid GOOD poetry?< > > > > Excuse me, but has the English language just died in that phrase from > > Laurel and Hardy? > > > > Rock solid etc ptawah. Rubbish, scowl and grin/grim-ace. > > > > I'd rather be a Scotland supporter. > > > > > > Best > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* LauraHeidy at aol.com > > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:37 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast > > Now Online > > > > > > Darn....it IS a wonderful issue. :) Why am I always so happy (and yea > > verily even amazed) to find a poetry magazine, ezine or otherwise, which > > contains some rock solid GOOD poetry? > > > > I love the Lux poem "Firestarter" and I loved the Jeff Newberry " Croaker > > Sack Communion" poem as well. Nice work, Jeff. > > > > Lo > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates._______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Wed Jun 21 20:56:36 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:56:36 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry matters: another view Message-ID: <513.f8439e.31cb44c4@aol.com> It's been about 20 years since the original essay was presented by Dana Gioia. Poetry matters, another take: _http://www.southernhum.com/joseph-salemi2/_ (http://www.southernhum.com/joseph-salemi2/) On the other hand, poetry matters intensely when a human mind has the intelligence and leisure to look at a literary artifact and be struck by the power of well-wrought language. Poetry is only about real life at two or three removes. It is a form of mimesis that manipulates images in language for aesthe tic purposes. That?s when poetry matters the most?at the aesthetic junction, so to speak, of text and eye. The reader peruses a text with understanding and says ?Dammit, that?s well done!? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens Thu Jun 22 06:43:24 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] MiPOesias & the First Official Day In-Reply-To: <20060621143758.79975.qmail@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060622104324.34483.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Someone kindly pointed out my blunder from yesterday: "Summertime" was not written by Armstrong, but rather, the lyrics came from the pens of Ira Gershwin and DuBose Heyward, song composed by George Gershwin. I should admit that the writers below played no role in the execution of my error -- I acted alone from my own grassy knoll. So please stop by and imbibe, once again, for the sake of what poets hold dear! amy king wrote: "Now it's summertime and the livin' is easy" (Louis Armstrong, "Summertime") ----> Gina Myers - "Behind Closed Doors" and "House" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/myers_gina.html Michael Farrell - "doco" and "doco" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/farrell_michael.html Tim Botta - "Lemoncello," "Occult Proximity," and "Garland" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/botta_tim.html Mairead Byrne - "Interview With a Wise Old Man" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Interviews/byrne_mairead_interviewwithwiseoldman2006.html Marcus Slease - "Birthday," "Gecko's Lounge," "Seoul Station," "Ssangmun Station, South Korea May 19th 2006," and "Dental Clinic" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/slease_marcus.html Anne Gorrick - "Fear of Taxidermy" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/gorrick_anne.html Adam Fieled and Lars Palm - "Isla Perdida," "this is a song (about how I'm a monkey)," and Virtual Pinball - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/fieled_palm.html Scott Glassman - "Returning from You" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/glassman_scott.html Elena Georgiou - "Urban Aubade #1," "Elegy for an Immigrant" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/georgiou_elena.html James Grinwis - "Charmland" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/grinwis_james.html Your happy editor and producer, Amy King and Didi Menendez http://www.mipoesias.com http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Thu Jun 22 11:30:15 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:30:15 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker Message-ID: <001701c69610$c35fdac0$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> I promised Anny I'd scan the article on Ezra Pound in the New Yorker, but I can't find the article - maybe that issue somehow didn't get to me. Can anyone else pick up the ball for me here? Tad Richards www.opus40.org http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Thu Jun 22 12:32:15 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:32:15 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker Message-ID: <366.665dbef.31cc200f@aol.com> It was in hte summer fiction issue that came out a few weeks ago. 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COURT GREEN is a poetry journal published annually in association with the English Department at Columbia College Chicago, and is edited by Arielle Greenberg, Tony Trigilio, and David Trinidad. Each issue features a dossier on a special topic or theme. Past dossiers include a section on poetry and film (issue #1) and a tribute to Lorine Niedecker (issue #2). The dossier for issue #4 (Spring 2007) will feature a collection of political poetry. Copies are available for $10 each through the address below. Subscription rate is $25.00 for three issues. Please make checks payable to Columbia College Chicago. COURT GREEN Columbia College Chicago English Department 600 S. Michigan Ave Chicago, IL 60605 From Rsgwynn1 Thu Jun 22 13:54:38 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:54:38 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] A poem Message-ID: <2cb.9e26903.31cc335e@cs.com> This Be the Worse They fuck you up, the chaps you choose To do your Letters and your Life. They wait till all that's left of you's A corpse in which to shove a knife. How ghoulishly they grub among Your years for stuff to shame and shock: The times you didn't hold your tongue, The times you failed to curb your cock. To each of those who've processed me Into their scrap of fame or pelf: You think in marks for decency I'd lose to you? Don't kid yourself. Robert Conquest, Demons Don't, 1999 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c288 Thu Jun 22 18:23:04 2006 From: c288 (Charmaine Pettit) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:23:04 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker In-Reply-To: <001701c69610$c35fdac0$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's by Samuel Hynes and is about his traveling to visit Pound when he was a Marine flight instructor (I just read the article at the gym this morning). I don't remember the exact date of the issue, but it was in hte last month or six weeks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Contributors to date: Julia Bloch, Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite, Mez Breeze, Amina Cain, Jimmy Chen, Kim Chinquee, John Cleary, Catherine Daly, Brett Evans, Brian Evenson, Raymond Farr, Malia Jackson, Carrie-Sinclair Katz, Susanna Kittredge, Richard Kostelanetz, Norman Lock, Scott Malby, Bob Marcacci, L.J. Moore, Greg Mulcahy, Eireene Nealand, Daniel Pendergrass, Kristin Prevallet, Len Shneyder, Nina Shope, Ed Skoog, Jason Snyder, Anna Joy Springer, Chris Stroffolino, Joanne Tracy, Nico Vassilakis, James Wagner, & Derek White. Projects to date: Build: Mother, I: A multi-author, multi-genre exploration of seeds sown by Bataille. (www.sidebrow.net/2006/motheri.php) Build: Post-Hole: A multi-author, multi-genre menagerie of grotesques. (www.sidebrow.net/2006/posthole.php) The Letters Project: Reviving the epistolary novella. (www.sidebrow.net/2006/epistolary.php) Page 24 Project: A chapbook concerning and consisting exclusively of page 24s. (www.sidebrow.net/2006/page24.php) Litopolis San Francisco: Staking a literary claim to the city. (www.sidebrow.net/2006/litopolissf.php) Other projects to be defined by future submissions and response. For more information, and to peruse currently posted works, visit www.sidebrow.net. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Clifton's poetry deals with racial disparities as well as >feminist concerns. Dr. Rice and Ann, Esquire see and raise you. The botch became too obvious When Larry Summers was lynched. The endgame is just beginning. RD -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard Fri Jun 23 17:00:43 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:00:43 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Your results may vary Message-ID: <9CFC00ED-6560-4D4F-9639-C88C45101692@earthlink.net> ? Today's Special Theory of Harmony http://www.xpressed.org/fall04/theory1.pdf Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens Fri Jun 23 18:32:03 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Corie Feiner, Gina Myers, and David Applegate @ STAIN Bar in Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20060622104324.34483.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060623223203.40969.qmail@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ONE WEEK FROM TODAY, Friday, June 30th @ STAIN BAR, BROOKLYN -- 7PM Poet and performer, Corie Feiner (nee Herman) delivers her work with intensity, humor, and skill. Called "wonderful" by The New York Times, and "captivating," by Backstage Magazine; she has been featured in The Riverdale Press, the Greenwhich Times, and on WNBC for her extraordinary performances and poetry workshops. In addition to being a cast member of the renowned theatre troupe, Storahtelling, she is the author of the poetry collection, Radishes into Roses, and has been published in numerous literary magazines and anthologies. You can reach her though her web site: http://www.coriefeiner.com. Gina Myers is originally from Saginaw, MI. She now resides in Brooklyn, NY where she co-edits 'the tiny' with Gabriella Torres. Her chapbook Fear of the Knee Bending Backwards is forthcoming from H_NGM_N, and a chapbook of collaborations with the poet Dustin Williamson, Power Lunch, is also forthcoming. David Applegate is a library clerk. He co-founded Bad Noise Productions in early 2006. Their first production, "Headless, nameless / Death hippie dub EP," a split text in the tradition of 7" hardcore records, will be available from http://www.badnoiseproductions.com in the very near future. A second production, the mysterious "Grammar Crisis," will appear during the fall of 2006. MiPO Reading Series -- http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com Sponsored by MiPOesias -- http://www.mipoesias.com Stain Bar serves local New York State beers and wines, AND MiPOesias will provide tiny finger foods in honor of summer. There is also a beautiful backyard with seating for early birds (or folks who choose to skip work). _______________________________ STAIN is a unique arts lounge dedicated to local products and talent. stain 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L to Grand, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 daily 5 p.m. http://www.stainbar.com/ --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1?/min with Yahoo! 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In addition to being a cast member of the renowned theatre troupe, Storahtelling, she is the author of the poetry collection, Radishes into Roses, and has been published in numerous literary magazines and anthologies. You can reach her though her web site: http://www.coriefeiner.com. Gina Myers is originally from Saginaw, MI. She now resides in Brooklyn, NY where she co-edits 'the tiny' with Gabriella Torres. Her chapbook Fear of the Knee Bending Backwards is forthcoming from H_NGM_N, and a chapbook of collaborations with the poet Dustin Williamson, Power Lunch, is also forthcoming. David Applegate is a library clerk. He co-founded Bad Noise Productions in early 2006. Their first production, "Headless, nameless / Death hippie dub EP," a split text in the tradition of 7" hardcore records, will be available from http://www.badnoiseproductions.com in the very near future. A second production, the mysterious "Grammar Crisis," will appear during the fall of 2006. MiPO Reading Series -- http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com Sponsored by MiPOesias -- http://www.mipoesias.com Stain Bar serves local New York State beers and wines, AND MiPOesias will provide tiny finger foods in honor of summer. There is also a beautiful backyard with seating for early birds (or folks who choose to skip work). _______________________________ STAIN is a unique arts lounge dedicated to local products and talent. stain 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L to Grand, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 daily 5 p.m. http://www.stainbar.com/ --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can reach her though her web site: http://www.coriefeiner.com. Gina Myers is originally from Saginaw, MI. She now resides in Brooklyn, NY where she co-edits 'the tiny' with Gabriella Torres. Her chapbook Fear of the Knee Bending Backwards is forthcoming from H_NGM_N, and a chapbook of collaborations with the poet Dustin Williamson, Power Lunch, is also forthcoming. David Applegate is a library clerk. He co-founded Bad Noise Productions in early 2006. Their first production, "Headless, nameless / Death hippie dub EP," a split text in the tradition of 7" hardcore records, will be available from http://www.badnoiseproductions.com in the very near future. A second production, the mysterious "Grammar Crisis," will appear during the fall of 2006. MiPO Reading Series -- http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com Sponsored by MiPOesias -- http://www.mipoesias.com Stain Bar serves local New York State beers and wines, AND MiPOesias will provide tiny finger foods in honor of summer. There is also a beautiful backyard with seating for early birds (or folks who choose to skip work). _______________________________ STAIN is a unique arts lounge dedicated to local products and talent. stain 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L to Grand, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 daily 5 p.m. http://www.stainbar.com/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I measure time by how a body sways.) How do you measure your life? If you measure it in minute-by-minute upticks and downticks in the stocks you (briefly) own, then friend, you've got a problem. Investing should be only a single (albeit fun and rewarding) part of a good life. If you're anything like Billy Collins, the poet who wrote "Nostalgia," you might measure your life by dances and fashions and alphabets made of twigs. (http://www.fool.com/Server/printarticle.aspx?file=/news/commentary/2006/commentary06062301.htm) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Sun Jun 25 11:15:33 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:15:33 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Louis MacNeice, "House on a Cliff" Message-ID: <24e.c500e93.31d00295@aol.com> House on a Cliff Indoors the tang of a tiny oil lamp. Outdoors The winking signal on the waste of sea. Indoors the sound of the wind. Outdoors the wind. Indoors the locked heart and the lost key. Outdoors the chill, the void, the siren. Indoors The strong man pained to find his red blood cools, While the blind clock grows louder, faster. Outdoors The silent moon, the garrulous tides she rules. Indoors ancestral curse-cum-blessing. Outdoors The empty bowl of heaven, the empty deep. Indoors a purposeful man who talks at cross Purposes, to himself, in a broken sleep. --Louis MacNeice poem as quoted in Tom Paulin?s essay ?The Man From No Part,? collected in Writing to the Moment, Selected Critical Essays 1980-1996 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard Sun Jun 25 13:18:32 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:18:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] "Splendid Hegemonies" Message-ID: Splendid Hegemonies Q: What divides these from the others? A: With or without the threat of force. Q: Who dominates whom? A: Throughout history. Q: Can you say something about defining your marginalized heresies? A: Power is very rarely limited. Q: Was art power? A: That?s a matter of impression. Q: How do ideas become naturalized? A: In a richly exampled arena. Q: Who got power and legitimacy? A: Quite often they did so. Q: Please explain for us the capacity of domination. A: I?d be delighted. Q: Does something called an ?I? exist? A: I?d certainly say so. Q: Who dictates the terms of trade? A: Local hegemons known as Ba. Q: Is there a legitimate threat of force? A: Hydraulic despots, for example. Q: Does a temple have doors at both ends? A: And why not, sir? Q: Can corrupt regimes pervert any theory? A: And why not, sir? Q: Take the concept of saintliness, for example. A: You seem to misunderstand me. Q: Can you distinguish for us between a ?war of position? and a ?war of movement?? A: I?ll make every effort to do so. Q: Bach?s Adagio in G, sir, who wrote it? A: Let me get back to you on that. Q: Is the power to limit auto-emissions the power to destroy? A: Rarely, despite its own problems. Q: How nicely you put it. A: Cultural superiority is on the wane. Q: Why does philosopical thought remain the exception? A: And why not, sir? I ask you. Q: Are we parochial? Do we fear the unknown? A: None but ourselves, sir, can free our minds, as Marley said. Hal "If you have liver disease, tell your doctor." --TV drug commercial Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From JforJames Sun Jun 25 20:31:13 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:31:13 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] SALT'S US SHOP OPENS TODAY! Message-ID: <556.4623a4.31d084d1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:36:43 +0100 From: Chris Hamilton-Emery Subject: Salt US shop now open Apologies for cross-posting SALT=B9S US SHOP OPENS TODAY! Salt=B9s revamped Web site now includes a new US shop, where customers can bu= y titles at 20% off the US list price, enjoy free US shipping on all orders over $30 and pay in dollars. http://www.saltpublishing.com/shop-us/ Very best Chris Chris Hamilton-Emery | Publishing Director |=A0Salt Publishing Ltd PO Box 937 | Great Wilbraham |=A0Cambridge | CB1 5JX |=A0+44 (0)1223 882220 101 Ways to Make Poems Sell available now! Click below to read more! http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/sgrw/1844711161.htm The information contained in this e-mail is confidential. It is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not an addressee, you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on information contained in this e-mail. Such unauthorised use may be unlawful. If you have received this mail in error, please inform us immediately at sales at saltpublishing.com and delete it and all copies from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephaniebarnes417 Mon Jun 26 15:24:56 2006 From: stephaniebarnes417 (Stephanie Barnes) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:24:56 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Self-Preservation of the 80's Babies (A Poem) In-Reply-To: <200606261600.k5QG03M5028560@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: Self-Preservation of the ?80?s Babies When we were younger our parents could protect us built large brick walls and privacy fences to lock us in, chased away boogeymen and imagined mental manifestations that haunted us in the dark shadows of our rooms. But, we have grown-up from chubby, sticky- fingered toddlers to hardhearted pieces of walking jade. We have watch the world, our world, be twisted leaving us unable to hide behind our parents? one-way mirror walls. We were the children, innocent once, who avidly watched cartoons, while blowing bubble dreams into our cereal? We were your preteens working through the pieces of our broken families rising awkwardly on spindly lank legs we stumbled, tripped through facades and fads, faking our way to angst. We were your teenagers un-use to the hard leanness of our young adulthood. Unafraid of a violent world that had come to cradle us. We were the ones who mixed self-mutilation with fear and sex who made piercings, tattoos, and scars signs of beauty. We were the ones who learned to cautiously watch our classmates for swift changes in mood we?d learned to be afraid or ourselves, we were already afraid of our world So, that if now, we do not smooth easily into your waiting hugs it is not because we love you less, but because we have learned to protect us more. From chan_jt Mon Jun 26 20:59:00 2006 From: chan_jt (JT Chan) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:59:00 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] new issue of PoetrySz Message-ID: hi, Issue 20 of PoetrySz: demystifying mental illness is now online at http://poetrysz.blogspot.com . It features work by Japanese cyberpunk writer Kenji Siratori, Australian poet Christopher Kelen, English poet Christopher Barnes, and New Zealand expat singer-songwriter/poet Ben Kemp. Submissions for subsequent issues are welcome. Send 4-6 poems, along with a short bio, in the body of your email to poetrysz at yahoo.com . Thanks. regards Jill Chan editor, PoetrySz http://poetrysz.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ Looking for love? Check out XtraMSN Personals http://xtramsn.match.com/match/mt.cfm?pg=channel&tcid=200731 From JforJames Wed Jun 28 02:40:51 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:40:51 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Pulitzer Prize-winning local poet Claudia Emerson Message-ID: <313.758416a.31d37e73@aol.com> _http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/062006/06272006/201075_ (http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/062006/06272006/201075) profile and interview with Pulitzer Prize-winning local poet Claudia Emerson Date published: 6/27/2006 By JORDAN McDANIEL YOUTH CORRESPONDENT EW WILL EVER KNOW what it's like to go from small-town college professor one day to Pulitzer Prize-winning poet the next. But such is reality for Claudia Emerson, who won what many consider to be poetry's top honor earlier this year--somewhat unexpectedly, at least for her. "I was thrilled and absolutely surprised," said Emerson in a recent interview with MyLine. Emerson began her writing career while in high school, as editor of the Chatham Hall newspaper. She graduated from the University of Virginia in 1979 with a bachelor's degree in English. In 1991, she received her Master of Fine Arts degree from the University of North Carolina-Greensboro. English always came easy for Emerson. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Wed Jun 28 07:09:45 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:09:45 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Pulitzer Prize-winning local poet Claudia Emerson Message-ID: <3f3.4c64b04.31d3bd79@aol.com> Thanks, James. I'm still thrilled beyond words for my friend. In a message dated 6/28/2006 2:41:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JforJames at aol.com writes: _http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/062006/06272006/201075_ (http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/062006/06272006/201075) profile and interview with Pulitzer Prize-winning local poet Claudia Emerson Date published: 6/27/2006 By JORDAN McDANIEL YOUTH CORRESPONDENT EW WILL EVER KNOW what it's like to go from small-town college professor one day to Pulitzer Prize-winning poet the next. But such is reality for Claudia Emerson, who won what many consider to be poetry's top honor earlier this year--somewhat unexpectedly, at least for her. "I was thrilled and absolutely surprised," said Emerson in a recent interview with MyLine. Emerson began her writing career while in high school, as editor of the Chatham Hall newspaper. She graduated from the University of Virginia in 1979 with a bachelor's degree in English. In 1991, she received her Master of Fine Arts degree from the University of North Carolina-Greensboro. English always came easy for Emerson. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lattaj Wed Jun 28 10:24:33 2006 From: lattaj (John Latta) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Blogland Note In-Reply-To: <449D2291.4010200@ull.es> References: <449D2291.4010200@ull.es> Message-ID: After two earlier escapades into (and back out of) Blogland, I am returning for another go-around (ambuscade). The new one is found at http://isola-di-rifiuti.blogspot.com/ It is called Isola di Rifiuti. Its propensity is toward "Notes, Poetics, Trouvailles, Photographs, Malarkey, & Guff," or so it claims. No hit-counters, no trackbackers, no hegemony-building. Lately, I'm reading Peter Weiss's terrific _Aesthetics of Resistance_. John Latta From halvard Wed Jun 28 17:14:00 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:14:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Labyrinth Message-ID: lab(o((rat))ory)rinth Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But over the last several hundred years as the rich became progressively richer and the poor poorer, the quarter has degenerated into a decayed and disease ridden slum." - http://www.armageddon.org/intro/rinth.html ergo: lab(o((rat))ory)rinth(ian) -- Jim ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ From anny.ballardini Thu Jun 29 06:52:10 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:52:10 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker References: <366.665dbef.31cc200f@aol.com> <001001c69650$33012160$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <011901c69b6a$12980870$cb2bb750@ANNY> Hi dear Tad, and Al and Chermaine Mary found it, thank you. And sorry for all your trouble, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker I should be able to find it then. I remember that issue. ----- Original Message ----- From: AlMaginnes at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker It was in hte summer fiction issue that came out a few weeks ago. It's by Samuel Hynes and is about his traveling to visit Pound when he was a Marine flight instructor (I just read the article at the gym this morning). 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I remember that issue. ----- Original Message ----- From: AlMaginnes at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker It was in hte summer fiction issue that came out a few weeks ago. It's by Samuel Hynes and is about his traveling to visit Pound when he was a Marine flight instructor (I just read the article at the gym this morning). 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I would be very happy to have you on the POets' Corner, whenever you feel like, take care, Anny Ballardini ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Latta" To: "UB Poetics discussion group" Cc: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Blogland Note > > After two earlier escapades into (and back out of) Blogland, I am > returning for another go-around (ambuscade). > > The new one is found at > > http://isola-di-rifiuti.blogspot.com/ > > It is called Isola di Rifiuti. > > Its propensity is toward "Notes, Poetics, Trouvailles, Photographs, > Malarkey, & Guff," or so it claims. > > No hit-counters, no trackbackers, no hegemony-building. > > Lately, I'm reading Peter Weiss's terrific _Aesthetics of Resistance_. > > John Latta > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From amyhappens Thu Jun 29 13:17:22 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] You'll Know Me By My Poetry - Feiner, Myers, and Applegate In-Reply-To: <20060623223241.5589.qmail@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060629171722.89151.qmail@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MiPOesias TOMORROW -- Get your Friday night groove hotwired right with Corie Feiner, Gina Myers, and David Applegate: July 30th @ Stain Bar -- 7PM Williamsburg, Brooklyn Poet and performer, Corie Feiner (nee Herman) delivers her work with intensity, humor, and skill. Called "wonderful" by The New York Times, and "captivating," by Backstage Magazine; she has been featured in The Riverdale Press, the Greenwhich Times, and on WNBC for her extraordinary performances and poetry workshops. In addition to being a cast member of the renowned theatre troupe, Storahtelling she is the author of the poetry collection, Radishes into Roses, and has been published in numerous literary magazines and anthologies. You can reach her though her web site: http://www.coriefeiner.com. Gina Myers is originally from Saginaw, MI. She now resides in Brooklyn, NY where she co-edits 'the tiny' with Gabriella Torres. Her chapbook Fear of the Knee Bending Backwards is forthcoming from H_NGM_N, and a chapbook of collaborations with the poet Dustin Williamson, Power Lunch, is also forthcoming. David Applegate is a library clerk. He co-founded Bad Noise Productions in early 2006. Their first production, "Headless, nameless / Death hippie dub EP," a split text in the tradition of 7" hardcore records, will be available from http://www.badnoiseproductions.com in the very near future. A second production, the mysterious "Grammar Crisis," will appear during the fall of 2006. http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com/ stain bar 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L train to Grand, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 http://www.stainbar.com/ Stain is a unique arts lounge that supports and sells local wines, beers, and coffee drinks. There will also be some sort of finger foods for your amusement, and I will be your host! See you there~ Amy King Managing Editor, MiPOesias (www.mipoesias.com) http://www.amyking.org --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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G?ransson) Nina Davies John Muckle Scott Thurston Stephen Vincent ROBERT SHEPPARD: INTERVIEW, POETRY AND PROSE ?Signature & Ethics? ? an interview ?The war had ended; it had not ended? ?September 12? - parts 13 to 16 'Natalia' - from Thelma ESSAY & COMMENTARY Nomad Odes: "Ostrich eggs nearly split in the blaze" ? an introduction to ?the suspended ones? Kierkegaard's Styles: The Sickness Unto Death ONGOING GERALDINE MONK CELEBRATION Embellishment ? opulence effects Follies: Monk & Goya BOOK REVIEWS Geoffrey Hill, Without Title John Kinsella, America Thomas Kinsella, Marginal Economy George Messo, Entrances Janet Sutherland, Burning The Heartwood Keston Sutherland, The Rictus Flag DOUGLAS OLIVER Not too late to join forthcoming Blog Symposium A Douglas Oliver Hyper-Link Crystal ? 32 Oliver links PLUS Projects Pink: Emily Dickinson & Volcanoes Laura Riding: Not Mystery But Pain Kenneth Koch's The Beverly Boys' Summer Vacation Alec Finlay's I Know A Poem The Field of the Cloth of Gold ? notes on signature, the shape of sex scandals, & shining capital in Henry VIII From anny.ballardini Fri Jun 30 02:58:41 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:58:41 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] the New Laureate from today's Writer's Almanac Message-ID: <005701c69c12$9f4dac90$0ba93452@ANNY> Poem: "The Farm" by Donald Hall from White Apples and the Taste of Stone. ? Houghton Mifflin Company. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) The Farm Standing on top of the hay in a good sweat, I felt the wind from the lake dry on my back, where the chaff grew like the down on my face. At night on the bare boards of the kitchen, we stood while the old man in his nightshirt gummed the stale crusts of his bread and milk. Up on the gray hill behind the barn, the stones had fallen away where the Penacook marked a way to go south from the narrow river. By the side of the lake my dead uncle's rowboat rots in heavy bushes. Slim pickerel glint in the water. Black horned pout doze on the bottom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: "kpaul mallasch" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] announcing ergo poetry > my last poetry website (started in 2000 or so) died earlier this week: > > http://www.mallasch.com/mug/ > > while it's not 100% yet, i'd like to invite all my poetry professor (and > poet!) friends to my new site Ergo Poetry where we're gonna try to make a > new kind of poetry community on the web. > > http://www.ergopoetry.com > > as i said, it's still a little 'klunky' at the moment, but i think it has > possibilities - especially if it's designed and built by lovers of words > such as us. > > would love to have some of you come aboard before we launch to the world > and open our doors in the next month or so. help me build the poetry site > you've always wanted! > > sincerely, > a humble word man, > a poet of streets and dreams, > k. paul mallasch > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini Fri Jun 30 14:55:11 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:55:11 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: New sociology books from University of Minnesota Press Message-ID: <012801c69c76$b71ddf20$31ae3452@ANNY> New sociology books from University of Minnesota Press ----- Original Message ----- From: Stacy Lienemann To: University of Minnesota Press Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: New sociology books from University of Minnesota Press GUY DEBORD: Revolution in the Service of Poetry Vincent Kaufmann Translated by Robert Bononno University of Minnesota Press | 384 pages | 2006 ISBN 0-8166-4455-1 | hardcover | $29.95 The definitive biography of the author of The Society of the Spectacle and a compelling account of his war against inauthenticity. Writer, artist, filmmaker, revolutionary, and impresario of the Situationist International, Guy Debord shunned the apparatus of publicity he dissected brilliantly in his most influential work, The Society of the Spectacle. In this ambitious and innovative biography, Vincent Kaufmann places Debord's hostility toward the inquisitive gaze at the center of an investigation into his subject's diverse output-from his earliest films to his landmark works of social and political provocation. "Many people felt Debord could not be classified. Yet, this is what drew me to him most, the fact that he was unclassifiable, difficult to approach, dismissive of those who tried to describe him, and always willing to challenge them. I admire his art of defiance, his belligerent and melancholy poetics. He forces you to keep your distance, he deprives you of the convenience and hypocrisy found in what Baudelaire referred to, in the beautiful language of his century, as fraternal prostitution. I am neither Debord's equal nor his brother, but these may be qualities no reader can claim to have." -from the Introduction For more information, including the table of contents, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/K/kaufmann_guy.html GLOBALIZATION FROM BELOW: Transnational Activists and Protest Networks Donatella della Porta, Massimiliano Andretta, Lorenzo Mosca, and Herbert Reiter University of Minnesota Press | 336 pages | 2006 ISBN 0-8166-4642-2 | hardcover | $75.00 ISBN 0-8166-4643-0 | paperback | $25.00 Social Movements, Protest, and Contention Series, volume 26 An in-depth look at the Genoa G8 summit and the European Social Forum, from the protesters' point of view. Presenting the first systematic empirical research on the global justice movement, Globalization from Below analyzes a movement from the viewpoints of the activists, organizers, and demonstrators themselves. The authors traveled to Genoa with anti-G8 protesters and collected data from more than 800 participants. They examine the interactions between challengers and elites, and discuss how new models of activism fit into current social movement work. For more information, including the table of contents, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/D/dellaporta_globalization.html For more information on the Social Movements, Protest, and Contention Series: http://www.upress.umn.edu/byseries/social.html MESTIZAJE: Critical Uses of Race in Chicano Culture Rafael P?rez-Torres University of Minnesota Press | 272 pages | 2006 ISBN 0-8166-4594-9 | hardcover | $60.00 ISBN 0-8166-4595-7 | paperback | $20.00 Critical American Studies Series A major reassessment of how mixed-race identity affects Chicano culture and politics. Rafael P?rez-Torres reveals how race, historical memory, the body, and community have both constrained and opened possibilities for forging potentially liberating multiracial identities. Moving beyond the oppositions-nationalism versus assimilation, men versus women, Texans versus Californians-that have characterized much of Chicano studies, Mestizaje synthesizes and assesses twenty-five years of pathbreaking thinking to make a case for the core concerns of the discipline. For more information, including the table of contents, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/P/perez_mestizaje.html For more information on the Critical American Studies Series: http://www.upress.umn.edu/byseries/CAS.html HYBRID CULTURES: Strategies for Entering and Leaving Modernity N?stor Garc?a Canclini Translated by Christopher L. Chiappari and Silvia L. L?pez Foreword by Renato Rosaldo University of Minnesota Press | 328 pages | 2005 ISBN 0-8166-4668-6 | paperback | $22.95 Examines the threats to Latin American cultural identity in a global marketplace-now with a new introduction! When it was originally published in 1995, Hybrid Cultures was foundational to Latin American cultural studies. This now-classic work features a new introduction in which N?stor Garc?a Canclini calls for a cultural politics to contain the damaging effects of globalization and responds to theoretical developments over the past decade. "A rare combination of breadth and detail is brought to bear on the relations between tradition and modernity, and between local cultural phenomena and globalizing forces. The author's cultural and theoretical range is extraordinary." -Bulletin of Latin American Research For more information, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/C/canclini_hyb.html For information about examination copies, view our exam copy policy online: http://www.upress.umn.edu/ordering/examination.html For more sociology books, visit our website: http://www.upress.umn.edu/bysubject/sociology.html You are signed up for University of Minnesota Press E-news. If you wish to be removed from this list, please email lieneman at umn.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 8422 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I won't be in Seattle, but Like to keep up with what's going on there in vispo. Seattle is one of the two or three most active vispo cities in the US. And Nico Vassilakis is one of our leading visual poets. --Bob G. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] VISUAL POETS - If Yre In Seattle This Summer Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:50:45 -0700 From: Nico Vassilakis Subject: VISUAL POETS - If Yre In Seattle This Summer FIVE CONTEMPORARY VISUAL POETS Joshua Beckman Jen Bervin Mary Ruefle Robert Seydel Nico Vassilakis An Exhibition of Poetry as Visual Art. Organized by Wave Books. 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Jim's good friend James Jay and I are assuming the task of contacting as many of Jim's friends and readers as we can, so that the fewest possible individuals who knew and loved Jim will find out in ways that are not direct. It is to this end that James and I ask everyone who may know Jim's friends, particularly in the Midwestern United States and on the East Coast, to share contact information with us so that we may reach them. Jim had a tremendous effect on his students, lovers of poetry, and his friends. Thank you and please contact either James or myself by telephone or email. . . . . I could, in particular, really use some help in locating friends of Jim's from the Iowa workshop, circa mid- seventies, if anyone was involved at that time --? In love and with great sadness, Becky Byrkit 928-380-8682 James Jay 928-814-9313 Rebecca Byrkit Director, Northern Arizona Resource Center & Artspace Home of the Northern Arizona Book Festival 928-226-1633 or 928-380-8682 www.nazbookfestival.org 10th Annual Northern Arizona Book Festival, April 20-22, 2007 Mailing Address: NABF P.O. Box 1871 Flagstaff, AZ 86002-1871 Home: Northern Arizona Resource Center and Artspace 150 W. Dale Suite #6 Flagstaff, AZ ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james Fri Jun 30 17:55:06 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:55:06 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Jim Simmerman In-Reply-To: <4FC9D846-5AF3-4232-85E2-5E6CE9D33210@ripon.edu> References: <4FC9D846-5AF3-4232-85E2-5E6CE9D33210@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <648208b60606301455q9f7d460l264bf9eea455db7b@mail.gmail.com> Jim was a buddy. We are trying to get in touch with folks in the east and midwest who would want to know of this and would appreciate any help. Please let me know backchannel, or you can write to Rebecca Byrkit at rbyrkit at nazbookfestival.org She and Flagstaff friends will be organizing a memorial service for later in July. We especially need contact info for Bill Trowbridge, who was an old friend of Jim's. - Jim On 6/30/06, David Graham wrote: > > A forward from another list. > > > Friends, > > It is with the heaviest heart imaginable that I must share the news with you > that a great friend and brilliant poet, Jim Simmerman, has died. > > Jim took his own life earlier this week at his home in Flagstaff. He was > suffering from a lengthy and painful illness. > > Jim's good friend James Jay and I are assuming the task of contacting as > many of Jim's friends and readers as we can, so that the fewest possible > individuals who knew and loved Jim will find out in ways that are not > direct. > > It is to this end that James and I ask everyone who may know Jim's friends, > particularly in the Midwestern United States and on the East Coast, to share > contact information with us so that we may reach them. > > Jim had a tremendous effect on his students, lovers of poetry, and his > friends. > > Thank you and please contact either James or myself by telephone or email. > . . . . I could, in particular, really use some help in locating friends of > Jim's from the Iowa workshop, circa mid-seventies, if anyone was involved at > that time --? > > In love and with great sadness, > Becky Byrkit 928-380-8682 > James Jay 928-814-9313 > > Rebecca Byrkit > > Director, Northern Arizona Resource Center & Artspace > Home of the Northern Arizona Book Festival > > > 928-226-1633 or 928-380-8682 > www.nazbookfestival.org > > 10th Annual Northern Arizona Book Festival, April 20-22, 2007 > > Mailing Address: > NABF > P.O. Box 1871 > Flagstaff, AZ 86002-1871 > > Home: > Northern Arizona Resource Center and Artspace > 150 W. Dale Suite #6 > Flagstaff, AZ > > > > > > ========================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > Poetry Library: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ From anny.ballardini Thu Jun 1 14:26:26 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:26:26 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] blogs Message-ID: <005401c685a8$e693e590$2bab3252@ANNY> For those who do not know it yet, here is Alan Sondheim's blog: http://nikuko.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Prose broken into lines, and unimaginatively. Interesting site. I took Moss over Muldoon, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] cyber poetry bout http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060530/BREAKINGNEWS/605300335/-1/NEWS02 Poets in cyberspace By Mark Hinson DEMOCRAT STAFF WRITER Poets in cyberspace On your mark, get set - write a poem. Florida State University writing professor, poet and novelist Julianna Baggott will square off with former United States Poet Laureate Robert Pinsky in a live poetry-writing contest at 9:30 p.m. today on the Internet. 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Suzanne On 6/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: > > > http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html > > > Tad > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard Fri Jun 2 11:49:29 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:49:29 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times In-Reply-To: <000e01c68650$b3efa310$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> References: <3ee.31f1165.31b1a359@aol.com> <000e01c68650$b3efa310$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <076D48D1-6658-4B22-9F68-63B89BB75644@earthlink.net> Great article, Tad. To get publicity like that some folks have to take their clothes off. Hmm. Hal On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:27 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > > http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html > > > Tad > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry "What do I know of man's destiny? I could tell you more about radishes." --Samuel Beckett Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Suzanne On 6/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And taught me the most valuable lesson I've learned about art -- that it's never just conceptual -- the most important parts of it come in the making. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Burns To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times Wow. You saw this being built. I am in awe. Suzanne On 6/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Working alone during his spare time and using only hand tools, Baldasare Forestiere spent some 40 years sculpting an underground complex consisting of ..." http://www.undergroundgardens.com/ Lucky you, Tad! TheOldMole wrote: Suzanne -- it remains an inspiration, always. And taught me the most valuable lesson I've learned about art -- that it's never just conceptual -- the most important parts of it come in the making. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Burns To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times Wow. You saw this being built. I am in awe. Suzanne On 6/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Please let us know if they open it for tours. This feat reminds me of Baldasare Forestiere over there in California: "Like the name implies, these gardens are underground. Working alone during his spare time and using only hand tools, Baldasare Forestiere spent some 40 years sculpting an underground complex consisting of ..." http://www.undergroundgardens.com/ Lucky you, Tad! TheOldMole wrote: Suzanne -- it remains an inspiration, always. And taught me the most valuable lesson I've learned about art -- that it's never just conceptual -- the most important parts of it come in the making. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Burns To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times Wow. You saw this being built. I am in awe. Suzanne On 6/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Do people know about Storm King sculpture park, also in the Hudson Valley?... _http://www.stormking.org/_ (http://www.stormking.org/) I have been here, and well worth the vist, I thought.... _http://www.torhouse.org/tours.htm_ (http://www.torhouse.org/tours.htm) Not really like Opus 40...but built by the hands of poet...Robinson Jeffers' Tor House in Carmel, CA. (http://www.stormking.org/) Finnegan In a message dated 6/2/2006 1:49:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amyhappens at yahoo.com writes: This is just incredible. And close enough to visit. Please let us know if they open it for tours. This feat reminds me of Baldasare Forestiere over there in California: "Like the name implies, these gardens are underground. Working alone during his spare time and using only hand tools, Baldasare Forestiere spent some 40 years sculpting an underground complex consisting of ..." _http://www.undergroundgardens.com/_ (http://www.undergroundgardens.com/) Lucky you, Tad! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From queenmouse Sat Jun 3 12:36:59 2006 From: queenmouse (Suzanne Burns) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:36:59 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times In-Reply-To: <007201c68663$fdfc4310$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> References: <3ee.31f1165.31b1a359@aol.com> <000e01c68650$b3efa310$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <076D48D1-6658-4B22-9F68-63B89BB75644@earthlink.net> <007201c68663$fdfc4310$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: Spencer Tunick! Oh God, that must be wonderful. I could so imagine that! On 6/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: > > We've done that too. Spencer Tunick did a shoot here. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Halvard Johnson > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views > *Sent:* Friday, June 02, 2006 11:49 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Opus 40 in the NY Times > > Great article, Tad. To get publicity like that some folks have to take > their clothes off. > > Hmm. > > Hal > > On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:27 AM, TheOldMole wrote: > > > http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/travel/escapes/02trip.html > > > Tad > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > "What do I know of man's destiny? 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URL: From grahamd Sat Jun 3 14:49:57 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:49:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg Message-ID: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he died: Goodbye Allen Ginsberg Old truth-goof, garrulous and canny crow, finally you're at one with polluted skies, sidewalk grit, neon buzzing messages to the Absolute, all those clippings of your face candidly sweet, decently weary, all your archives and footnotes and tapes full of scat. . . . What use the FBI, CIA keeping tabs on your slant self? What did they ever learn you hadn't already published? You printed come cries, vanities and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust and despair hard as a curb. Farts of savvy delirium. Chanting your wet dreams as if they would dissolve the Pentagon, you bombed the White House with squads of paper airplanes, scribbled all over with holy jokes --to no avail, no avail, you big phony failure, you stand up comic singing off key in eternity's lounge, raking in prizes like Miss America, sprawling all over the anthologies at last. Yes, you were queer, start to finish in every way, jabbering stowaway on the flound'ring ship of State, crazy angel of the honorarium, philosopher goat. Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish and their sudden shafts of pure sun warming the forest floor . . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Sat Jun 3 15:17:50 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:17:50 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <010301c68742$68347f20$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Nice. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he died: Goodbye Allen Ginsberg Old truth-goof, garrulous and canny crow, finally you're at one with polluted skies, sidewalk grit, neon buzzing messages to the Absolute, all those clippings of your face candidly sweet, decently weary, all your archives and footnotes and tapes full of scat. . . . What use the FBI, CIA keeping tabs on your slant self? What did they ever learn you hadn't already published? You printed come cries, vanities and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust and despair hard as a curb. Farts of savvy delirium. Chanting your wet dreams as if they would dissolve the Pentagon, you bombed the White House with squads of paper airplanes, scribbled all over with holy jokes --to no avail, no avail, you big phony failure, you stand up comic singing off key in eternity's lounge, raking in prizes like Miss America, sprawling all over the anthologies at last. Yes, you were queer, start to finish in every way, jabbering stowaway on the flound'ring ship of State, crazy angel of the honorarium, philosopher goat. Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish and their sudden shafts of pure sun warming the forest floor . . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini Sat Jun 3 15:41:59 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:41:59 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> <010301c68742$68347f20$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <004e01c68745$c7f0fb70$d9aa3252@ANNY> A poem that reveals a new style of David Graham, I like it. I remember when Ginsberg died I met this frail intellectual, only son of a good family, who teaches Italian and writes for newspapers and spoke of all the prime ministers of Italy as if they were his uncles, and one even was or had adopted him as his nephew. And it surprised me that he should talk of G. in that way and I thought I saw that he was carrying a little lit bag, like an upside down light bulb under his left wrist, and as soon as he finished, he hid it back again inside. From: TheOldMole Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:17 PM Nice. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he died: Goodbye Allen Ginsberg Old truth-goof, garrulous and canny crow, finally you're at one with polluted skies, sidewalk grit, neon buzzing messages to the Absolute, all those clippings of your face candidly sweet, decently weary, all your archives and footnotes and tapes full of scat. . . . What use the FBI, CIA keeping tabs on your slant self? What did they ever learn you hadn't already published? You printed come cries, vanities and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust and despair hard as a curb. Farts of savvy delirium. Chanting your wet dreams as if they would dissolve the Pentagon, you bombed the White House with squads of paper airplanes, scribbled all over with holy jokes --to no avail, no avail, you big phony failure, you stand up comic singing off key in eternity's lounge, raking in prizes like Miss America, sprawling all over the anthologies at last. Yes, you were queer, start to finish in every way, jabbering stowaway on the flound'ring ship of State, crazy angel of the honorarium, philosopher goat. Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish and their sudden shafts of pure sun warming the forest floor . . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From JforJames Sun Jun 4 14:44:12 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:44:12 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Pebbles' and 'Assays', Sunken Garden series kicks off... Message-ID: <488.219c4a7.31b483fc@aol.com> _http://www.courant.com/features/booksmags/hc-janehirshfield0604.artjun04,0,35 9062.story_ (http://www.courant.com/features/booksmags/hc-janehirshfield0604.artjun04,0,359062.story) Poet Hirshfield Brings Her 'Pebbles' and 'Assays' To Sunken Garden By CAROLE GOLDBERG Courant Books Editor June 4 2006 Although she has never been there, Jane Hirshfield knows just what to expect at the Hill-Stead Museum in Farmington on Thursday, where she will open the 15th season of the Sunken Garden Poetry Festival. "I always find that every reading I give brings unexpected intimacies and exchanges" with the audience, Hirshfield says in a phone interview from her home in the San Francisco Bay area. "The loveliness of having the poem, the reader and the writer in the same conversation is always fresh. And I'm stunned by the exceptional gifts of some locations" where she has read, such as Utah's Red Rocks desert and Dove Cottage, the home of William Wordsworth in England. Hirshfield, whose spare but startling poems often take inspiration from the natural world as well as fine art, will appreciate the exceptional beauty of Hill-Stead, which is known for its 152 acres of lush gardens and meadows and a stunning collection of impressionist art by Monet, Manet, Degas and others in the restored 1901 Colonial Revival mansion that was the home of architect Theodate Pope Riddle and her parents. The museum, at 35 Mountain Road, will host six outdoor readings at its annual summer festival, featuring nationally known poets and winners of national and local competitions, along with music, every other Thursday through Aug. 17. Hirshfield's 7:30 p.m. reading with be preceded by South American jazz by the Marta G?mez Quartet at 6:30. The grounds open at 5:30. Should it rain, the program will be held under a tent. New handicap access that meets federal standards has been added to the Sunken Garden area. (See accompanying story on Page G4.) What audiences at such events gain, Hirshfield says, is the same thing she gets from reading works by other poets. "Poetry," she says, "magnifies and increases our comprehension of what it is to be a human being. Poems name an experience that is resonating and subtle and can be named by only that particular set of words." Its goal is nothing less than "the alteration and transformation of self." Hirshfield, grew up in New York, graduated from Princeton University and has published six volumes of poetry and an essay collection. A recipient of many major honors, including an Academy of American Poets fellowship, a Poetry Center Book Award and California Book Award, she frequently travels back to the East Coast to work on her poems, at retreats such as Yaddo in Saratoga Springs, N.Y., but fears she has lost her pacing as a New Yorker. "I was house-sitting in Manhattan and was at the Fairway and could not choose among the cheesecakes," she laments. "It was startling to feel that I was not a New Yorker anymore." Hirshfield's latest collection is "After" (HarperCollins, $23.95), poems written following a period in which she suffered personal losses. It contains, among others, poems she calls "assays" and "pebbles," dissimilar forms that nevertheless encourage the same thing: "thinking and feeling through observing something." The assays, which may be about people or concepts or even a single word, tend to move from the theoretical to the concrete, while the shorter pebbles begin with a specific image and expand to a universal concept, as in "Maple": The lake scarlets the same instant as the maple. Let others try to say this is not passion. Her pebbles poems, Hirshfield says, "are very short and similar to the Eastern tradition I love. They have a brevity and dryness and concision and can be funny or serious. In the book, they come like a flurry of hailstones, but were written as individual poems." The assays, which began when she wrote a meditative poem about Edgar Allan Poe, occupy the "borderline between criticism, prose and poetry. They have a different note, a different timbre," she says. "It's the border between thinking with feeling and feeling with thinking." She writes of Poe: ... What could simply be seen, named, described was not his interest. Half-close your eyes, he advised, to double the world. The process of a discovery accomplished was his interest, Its after-savoring his appetite and pleasure.... Having lived for several years at the Tassajara Zen Mountain Monastery in California, Hirshfield has been influenced by its philosophy, which informs the spareness of her poetry and the clarity that reveals unexpected depths. But, she says, her audience does not need to have studied Zen Buddhism to understand her poems. Hirshfield's work, says Alison Meyers, who is now in her seventh summer as artistic director of the poetry festival, "has a surface simplicity and deals with the daily details of life, the familiar," yet is profound. Every good poem, Meyers says, has "the turn, the surprise - and that's Jane's specialty." It's Meyer's job to select the poets who will read at Hill-Stead each year. She often attends the Dodge Poetry Festival in Stanhope, N.J., the largest event of its kind in the country, to scout poets for Sunken Garden. She heard Hirshfield there two years ago and knew she would be an excellent choice. "It's always a critical element to hear a poet read," Meyers says. "Sunken Garden has a loving and loyal audience that may not have any other poetry experience all year. It's a personal experience for them and we choose poets who are decipherable on the first hearing." The poets are selected "in the context of what is good for Hill-Stead and that comes back to the Hill-Stead audience," Meyers says. Hirshfield says one of the great rewards of writing poems is experiencing the creative process known as "flow." "For me," she says, "it is the great desirable state of being to fall into my work and to not know what is happening and then to find out what will happen next. That state is the core - it's what we were made for. It's a mystery. It's where discoveries come from." While surveys suggest that Americans are reading less and that poetry is far down on the list of favorite genres, Hirshfield says that is not borne out by the reception her work receives. And, she says, festivals such as Sunken Garden help poetry thrive by offering a place to hear well-selected works. "People are avid for what poetry offers," she says. "It's a counterweight to economic and power and survival questions. "Poetry is doing its work in the culture. I have no fear for poetry." Reach Carole _Goldberg at cgoldberg at courant.com_ (mailto:Goldberg at cgoldberg at courant.com) Copyright 2006, Hartford Courant -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rsillima Mon Jun 5 10:04:30 2006 From: rsillima (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060605140430.99503.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Proprioception Charles Olson???s other major manifesto On 750,000 weblog visitors A shout out to Zoe Strauss, Sylvia Legris, Catherine Wagner, and Robin Kemp The sexual politics of Projective Verse reading DuPlessis reading Olson Charles Olson, Objectivism & T.S. Eliot Breathing the syllable in Charles Olson???s ???Projective Verse??? Eliot Weinberger on New Directions Timothy Yu, Pamela Lu and Asian-American anthologies Some links: Margaret Rockwell Finch and her daughter Annie Five Afghani women poets Derek Walcott, Seamus Heaney Blogging and the First Amendment The DFA-List Democracy for America organizes progressive fundraising Andrew Schelling on New Directions Eliot Weinberger on New Directions Gilbert Sorrentino as critic Charles Olson on the syllable The simplest things last ??? Simplicities in Olson???s Projective Verse Mei-mei???s house, a 102-year-old poet and other miscellany More on lists including Playboy???s 25 sexiest novels (a note from Pam Rosenthal) Fetch Rae Armantrout???s new chapbook The uneven history of New Directions and its commitment to Pound-Williams tradition http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From mandolin Mon Jun 5 19:48:16 2006 From: mandolin (Michael Snider) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:48:16 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg In-Reply-To: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> Message-ID: Wonderful, David! On Jun 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, David Graham wrote: > Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he > died: > > > Goodbye Allen Ginsberg > > Old truth-goof, garrulous > and canny crow, finally > you're at one with polluted skies, > sidewalk grit, neon buzzing > messages to the Absolute, > > all those clippings of your face > candidly sweet, decently weary, > all your archives and footnotes > and tapes full of scat. . . . > > What use the FBI, CIA > keeping tabs on your slant self? > What did they ever learn > you hadn't already published? > > You printed come cries, vanities > and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust > and despair hard as a curb. > Farts of savvy delirium. > > Chanting your wet dreams > as if they would dissolve > the Pentagon, you bombed > the White House with squads > of paper airplanes, scribbled > all over with holy jokes > > --to no avail, no avail, > you big phony failure, > you stand up comic singing off key > in eternity's lounge, raking in > prizes like Miss America, sprawling > all over the anthologies at last. > > Yes, you were queer, start to finish > in every way, jabbering stowaway > on the flound'ring ship of State, > crazy angel of the honorarium, > philosopher goat. > > Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, > goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish > and their sudden shafts of pure sun > warming the forest floor . . . . > > > ========================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ========================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From bobgrumman Mon Jun 5 20:36:33 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:36:33 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <00b301c68901$46246240$53b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> > Wonderful, David! Yes, a good one. A Ginsberg better than any Ginsberg. --Bob G. > On Jun 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, David Graham wrote: > >> Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he >> died: >> >> >> Goodbye Allen Ginsberg >> >> Old truth-goof, garrulous >> and canny crow, finally >> you're at one with polluted skies, >> sidewalk grit, neon buzzing >> messages to the Absolute, >> >> all those clippings of your face >> candidly sweet, decently weary, >> all your archives and footnotes >> and tapes full of scat. . . . >> >> What use the FBI, CIA >> keeping tabs on your slant self? >> What did they ever learn >> you hadn't already published? >> >> You printed come cries, vanities >> and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust >> and despair hard as a curb. >> Farts of savvy delirium. >> >> Chanting your wet dreams >> as if they would dissolve >> the Pentagon, you bombed >> the White House with squads >> of paper airplanes, scribbled >> all over with holy jokes >> >> --to no avail, no avail, >> you big phony failure, >> you stand up comic singing off key >> in eternity's lounge, raking in >> prizes like Miss America, sprawling >> all over the anthologies at last. >> >> Yes, you were queer, start to finish >> in every way, jabbering stowaway >> on the flound'ring ship of State, >> crazy angel of the honorarium, >> philosopher goat. >> >> Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, >> goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish >> and their sudden shafts of pure sun >> warming the forest floor . . . . >> >> >> ========================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html >> Poetry Library: >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html >> ========================================== >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From robin.hamilton2 Tue Jun 6 06:31:01 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:31:01 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Phantom Rooster Press -- Latest Volumes Message-ID: <019301c68954$503dbf80$d82b8b56@andrew1d83eb60> The following pamphlets are now available from the Phantom Rooster Press: Patrick McManus: CEMENT AND WATER (illustrated by Judy Prince) Judy Prince: POEMS (illustrated by the author) ?3 (including UK p&P) Overseas orders, please contact the publisher to arrange terms. robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Cheques to: Robin Hamilton, 69 Rydal Ave., Loughborough, LE11 3RU From david.bircumshaw Tue Jun 6 13:21:54 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:21:54 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> <00b301c68901$46246240$53b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <001701c6898d$b6d8e6a0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> yeah, I like David's poem too, rather more than I like Ginsberg's or the character that comes across as 'Ginsberg'. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Grumman" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg > > > > Wonderful, David! > > Yes, a good one. A Ginsberg better than any Ginsberg. > > --Bob G. > > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, David Graham wrote: > > > >> Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he > >> died: > >> > >> > >> Goodbye Allen Ginsberg > >> > >> Old truth-goof, garrulous > >> and canny crow, finally > >> you're at one with polluted skies, > >> sidewalk grit, neon buzzing > >> messages to the Absolute, > >> > >> all those clippings of your face > >> candidly sweet, decently weary, > >> all your archives and footnotes > >> and tapes full of scat. . . . > >> > >> What use the FBI, CIA > >> keeping tabs on your slant self? > >> What did they ever learn > >> you hadn't already published? > >> > >> You printed come cries, vanities > >> and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust > >> and despair hard as a curb. > >> Farts of savvy delirium. > >> > >> Chanting your wet dreams > >> as if they would dissolve > >> the Pentagon, you bombed > >> the White House with squads > >> of paper airplanes, scribbled > >> all over with holy jokes > >> > >> --to no avail, no avail, > >> you big phony failure, > >> you stand up comic singing off key > >> in eternity's lounge, raking in > >> prizes like Miss America, sprawling > >> all over the anthologies at last. > >> > >> Yes, you were queer, start to finish > >> in every way, jabbering stowaway > >> on the flound'ring ship of State, > >> crazy angel of the honorarium, > >> philosopher goat. > >> > >> Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, > >> goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish > >> and their sudden shafts of pure sun > >> warming the forest floor . . . . > >> > >> > >> ========================================== > >> David Graham > >> grahamd at ripon.edu > >> Home Page: > >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > >> Poetry Library: > >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > >> ========================================== > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From david.bircumshaw Tue Jun 6 14:27:11 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:27:11 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu><00b301c68901$46246240$53b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <001701c6898d$b6d8e6a0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <002d01c68996$d4ef7380$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Observations: just as I am writing Sadie Smith (I think) is being congratulatory interviewed for winning the Orange Prize. Which was awarded to her at the Royal Courts of Justice. The Hay-on-Wye festival was on recently: luminaries included Seamus Heaney, Al Gore and Princess Michael of Kent. My difficulty with Ginsberg, aesthetic complaints apart ( and they are many, he was a mediocre poet) is that he was part of the very status system he attacked so much. I have the same difficulty with quite a few other contemporary or near-contemporary poets. favourite reading at the moment: Jonathan Rose 'The Intellectual Life of the British Working Classes'. It speaks to me, even +for+ me. Best Dave From grahamd Tue Jun 6 15:47:10 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:47:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Happy Birthday Ginsberg In-Reply-To: <001701c6898d$b6d8e6a0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu> <00b301c68901$46246240$53b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <001701c6898d$b6d8e6a0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <5CDEFBD9-E436-4E6B-BE99-940C5DA0EDF2@ripon.edu> I appreciate all the comments on my Ginsberg poem. I guess I have mixed feelings about Ginsberg, as the poem (I hope) makes sufficiently plain. And I hope my admiration for the best of his influence is also clear. There *was* a delicious irony in his becoming, by the end of his life, such an entrenched member of the establishment that he began his career by tweaking. And from all the evidence I've seen, such irony was not lost on Ginsberg himself. It wasn't AG who had to change in order to effect this change, of course. I'll always remember fondly a reading he did at an MLA convention to celebrate the appearance of his big red Collected poems--he read "Howl" in its entirety, and then did some Blake songs with a guitar accompanist. The strangest sight I ever saw at an MLA--hundreds of tweedy professors swaying back and forth, singing Blake lyrics in a wonderfully off-key manner. No one more off-key, or more tweedy, than Ginsberg himself. But I'm not one of those who makes blanket statements about him being a poor poet. He was massively uneven, of course, even more than usual, I mean--but at his best I find him quite compelling. I think "Howl" and "Kaddish" and a respectable handful of others will live on, and that's a decent batting average for any poet. I've never found any reason to buy into the "first thought / best thought" aesthetic, which from the evidence of the work just isn't true, sadly enough. On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:21 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: > yeah, I like David's poem too, rather more than I like Ginsberg's > or the > character that comes across as 'Ginsberg'. > > Best > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Grumman" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:36 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg > > >> >> >>> Wonderful, David! >> >> Yes, a good one. A Ginsberg better than any Ginsberg. >> >> --Bob G. >> >>> On Jun 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, David Graham wrote: >>> >>>> Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he >>>> died: >>>> >>>> >>>> Goodbye Allen Ginsberg >>>> >>>> Old truth-goof, garrulous >>>> and canny crow, finally >>>> you're at one with polluted skies, >>>> sidewalk grit, neon buzzing >>>> messages to the Absolute, >>>> >>>> all those clippings of your face >>>> candidly sweet, decently weary, >>>> all your archives and footnotes >>>> and tapes full of scat. . . . >>>> >>>> What use the FBI, CIA >>>> keeping tabs on your slant self? >>>> What did they ever learn >>>> you hadn't already published? >>>> >>>> You printed come cries, vanities >>>> and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust >>>> and despair hard as a curb. >>>> Farts of savvy delirium. >>>> >>>> Chanting your wet dreams >>>> as if they would dissolve >>>> the Pentagon, you bombed >>>> the White House with squads >>>> of paper airplanes, scribbled >>>> all over with holy jokes >>>> >>>> --to no avail, no avail, >>>> you big phony failure, >>>> you stand up comic singing off key >>>> in eternity's lounge, raking in >>>> prizes like Miss America, sprawling >>>> all over the anthologies at last. >>>> >>>> Yes, you were queer, start to finish >>>> in every way, jabbering stowaway >>>> on the flound'ring ship of State, >>>> crazy angel of the honorarium, >>>> philosopher goat. >>>> >>>> Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, >>>> goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish >>>> and their sudden shafts of pure sun >>>> warming the forest floor . . . . >>>> >>>> ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've of two minds about all that. . . . > > > > On Jun 6, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >> Just thought I'd take a minute to applaud the best things about >> the work of every poet--good, bad, and indifferent--and to >> deplore all the bad things about the same, while reserving the >> right to have mixed feelings about everything in between. >> >> Hal "A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg." --Samuel Butler Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From bobgrumman Tue Jun 6 17:10:06 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:10:06 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: <82464007-25CF-4E76-B52B-7BE9949382BC@ripon.edu><00b301c68901$46246240$53b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><001701c6898d$b6d8e6a0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <5CDEFBD9-E436-4E6B-BE99-940C5DA0EDF2@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <009501c689ad$98598930$26b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I appreciate all the comments on my Ginsberg poem. I guess I have mixed feelings about Ginsberg, as the poem (I hope) makes sufficiently plain. And I hope my admiration for the best of his influence is also clear. --David Graham It was to me. Seems to me your poem was a quite accurate summary of him, defects and virtues both --while working as a poem besides. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman Tue Jun 6 17:13:48 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:13:48 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Happy Birthday Ginsberg References: Message-ID: <00a401c689ae$1bda3d40$26b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> "One barium enema is worth a year of psychoanalysis." --Dr. Robert Whitlock Hence 365 times worse, because concentrated? --Dr. Robert Grumman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know about anyone else but at least I might know about myself, maybe, but I don't think I ever got involved in poetry for an interest in po-biz or anything resembling it. Best, sadly Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: opus40-01 at opus40.org To: 'NewPoetry at smapp02.chicago.hostway.net : Contemporary Poetry News &Views' Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Re: Happy Birthday Ginsberg One of the great moments in the history of TV was the episode of LA Law where they take on the case of a guy who wants to promote a poetry festival, and he gets into a partnership with a rock festival promoter. Whoever wrote it had a beautiful satiric insight into po-biz -- but anyway, by the end of the show they patch up their differences, and the poetry festival goes on, including -- and this is the great moment -- Mamie Van Doren reading "Howl." On Tue Jun 6 15:47 , David Graham sent: I appreciate all the comments on my Ginsberg poem. I guess I have mixed feelings about Ginsberg, as the poem (I hope) makes sufficiently plain. And I hope my admiration for the best of his influence is also clear. There *was* a delicious irony in his becoming, by the end of his life, such an entrenched member of the establishment that he began his career by tweaking. And from all the evidence I've seen, such irony was not lost on Ginsberg himself. It wasn't AG who had to change in order to effect this change, of course. I'll always remember fondly a reading he did at an MLA convention to celebrate the appearance of his big red Collected poems--he read "Howl" in its entirety, and then did some Blake songs with a guitar accompanist. The strangest sight I ever saw at an MLA--hundreds of tweedy professors swaying back and forth, singing Blake lyrics in a wonderfully off-key manner. No one more off-key, or more tweedy, than Ginsberg himself. But I'm not one of those who makes blanket statements about him being a poor poet. He was massively uneven, of course, even more than usual, I mean--but at his best I find him quite compelling. I think "Howl" and "Kaddish" and a respectable handful of others will live on, and that's a decent batting average for any poet. I've never found any reason to buy into the "first thought / best thought" aesthetic, which from the evidence of the work just isn't true, sadly enough. On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:21 PM, David Bircumshaw wrote: yeah, I like David's poem too, rather more than I like Ginsberg's or the character that comes across as 'Ginsberg'. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Grumman" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday Ginsberg Wonderful, David! Yes, a good one. A Ginsberg better than any Ginsberg. --Bob G. On Jun 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, David Graham wrote: Ginsberg born this day in 1926. Here's the poem I wrote after he died: Goodbye Allen Ginsberg Old truth-goof, garrulous and canny crow, finally you're at one with polluted skies, sidewalk grit, neon buzzing messages to the Absolute, all those clippings of your face candidly sweet, decently weary, all your archives and footnotes and tapes full of scat. . . . What use the FBI, CIA keeping tabs on your slant self? What did they ever learn you hadn't already published? You printed come cries, vanities and regrets, droopy-fleshed lust and despair hard as a curb. Farts of savvy delirium. Chanting your wet dreams as if they would dissolve the Pentagon, you bombed the White House with squads of paper airplanes, scribbled all over with holy jokes --to no avail, no avail, you big phony failure, you stand up comic singing off key in eternity's lounge, raking in prizes like Miss America, sprawling all over the anthologies at last. Yes, you were queer, start to finish in every way, jabbering stowaway on the flound'ring ship of State, crazy angel of the honorarium, philosopher goat. Goodbye to your smoldering ashes, goodbye to pages of yellow gibberish and their sudden shafts of pure sun warming the forest floor . . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From JforJames Thu Jun 8 13:26:00 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:26:00 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendy Cope's meditation on the events of 9/11 Message-ID: _http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5052786.stm_ (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5052786.stm) Spared, by Wendy Cope Listen to Wendy Cope reading her poem Spared Poet Wendy Cope's meditation on the events of 9/11 written specially for the poetry anthology CD Life Lines in aid of Oxfam. "That Love is all there is, Is all we know of Love... " Emily Dickinson It wasn't you, it wasn't me, Up there, two thousand feet above A New York street. We're safe and free, A little while, to live and love, Imagining what might have been - The phone-call from the blazing tower, A last farewell on the machine, While someone sleeps another hour, Or worse, perhaps, to say goodbye And listen to each other's pain, Send helpless love across the sky, Knowing we'll never meet again, Or jump together, hand in hand, To certain death. Spared all of this For now, how well I understand That love is all, is all there is. Copyright remains with author - Copyright Wendy Cope, 2006. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Thu Jun 8 14:07:18 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:07:18 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined Message-ID: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com> _http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=12217&R =EC6821_ (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=12217&R=EC6821) Dr. Leavis, I Presume? The man who put 'critic' in 'criticism.' by Brooke Allen 05/22/2006, Volume 011, Issue 34 F.R. Leavis Essays and Documents Edited by Ian MacKillop and Richard Storer Continuum, 314 pp., $39.95 F.R. LEAVIS (1895-1978) might not have been the most influential literary critic of the 20th century--that title would probably go to T.S. Eliot, whose rather slight output of literary essays made a disproportionate impact on the intellectual world--but within academia his effect was incalculable. Leavis's career, which lasted from the 1930s to the '70s, coincided with the creation of "English" as a subject in British universities and the professionalization of literary studies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james Thu Jun 8 17:35:42 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:35:42 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined In-Reply-To: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com> References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com> "I don't know, mama. I can't paint and I can't fuck and I'm angry all the time. Now I know how a critic must feel." - Ellen Cherry, in Skinny Legs and All, by Tom Robbins. On 6/8/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > > > http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=12217&R=EC6821 > > > > Dr. Leavis, I Presume? > > The man who put 'critic' in 'criticism.' > > by Brooke Allen > > 05/22/2006, Volume 011, Issue 34 > > > > > > F.R. Leavis > > Essays and Documents > > Edited by Ian MacKillop and Richard Storer > > Continuum, 314 pp., $39.95 > > > > F.R. LEAVIS (1895-1978) might not have been the most influential literary > critic of the 20th century--that title would probably go to T.S. Eliot, > whose rather slight output of literary essays made a disproportionate impact > on the intellectual world--but within academia his effect was incalculable. > Leavis's career, which lasted from the 1930s to the '70s, coincided with the > creation of "English" as a subject in British universities and the > professionalization of literary studies. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From tad Thu Jun 8 18:18:01 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:18:01 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com> <648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008301c68b49$687b6ab0$6602a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Send that one to Logan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cervantes" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views" Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined > "I don't know, mama. I can't paint and I can't fuck and I'm angry all > the time. Now I know how a critic must feel." - Ellen Cherry, in > Skinny Legs and All, by Tom Robbins. > > > On 6/8/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >> http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=12217&R=EC6821 >> >> >> >> Dr. Leavis, I Presume? >> >> The man who put 'critic' in 'criticism.' >> >> by Brooke Allen >> >> 05/22/2006, Volume 011, Issue 34 >> >> >> >> >> >> F.R. Leavis >> >> Essays and Documents >> >> Edited by Ian MacKillop and Richard Storer >> >> Continuum, 314 pp., $39.95 >> >> >> >> F.R. LEAVIS (1895-1978) might not have been the most influential literary >> critic of the 20th century--that title would probably go to T.S. Eliot, >> whose rather slight output of literary essays made a disproportionate >> impact >> on the intellectual world--but within academia his effect was >> incalculable. >> Leavis's career, which lasted from the 1930s to the '70s, coincided with >> the >> creation of "English" as a subject in British universities and the >> professionalization of literary studies. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From bobgrumman Thu Jun 8 19:23:52 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:23:52 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com> <648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007a01c68b52$9c7091c0$67b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> > "I don't know, mama. I can't paint and I can't fuck and I'm angry all > the time. Now I know how a critic must feel." - Ellen Cherry, in > Skinny Legs and All, by Tom Robbins. I'm curious: is Ellen Cherry expressing the author's point of view, or is she a satire on the standard tenth-rate artist? --Bob G. From david.bircumshaw Thu Jun 8 21:54:14 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 02:54:14 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com><648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com> <008301c68b49$687b6ab0$6602a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <002201c68b67$9dab0100$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Yeah, he crippled me too. Best Dave From david.bircumshaw Fri Jun 9 09:37:18 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:37:18 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com><648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com><008301c68b49$687b6ab0$6602a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <002201c68b67$9dab0100$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <000901c68bc9$d59d6ff0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> I'll expand on this, if I can, the conditional there being subject to my being able to reproduce anything resembling coherence on this matter. As a very naive 15 year old, already twice expelled from grammar schools, living in the cultural desert of the Birmingham slums (and believe me you don't get much more in the way of cultural deserts than that) and besotted already by poetry and literature and the imaginative world it offered, I had the misfortune to collide with the works of Frank Raymond Leavis. His combination of High Moral Seriousness and dismissive verbal violence poisoned my soul, even now, over three decades later, I still find the ghost of that twat, that utter prick (note herebefore examples of it in action) springing from the nihilistic sentimental void ( all that cobblers about organic societies) it belongs in to ventriloquise through me. It is a curse. No matter what appearances might be I'm a naturally nice and non-violent guy, and this THING has infected me. It's a terribly English THING too. I dunno. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bircumshaw" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined > Yeah, he crippled me too. > > > Best > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From halvard Fri Jun 9 09:44:24 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:44:24 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" Message-ID: The Troubles of a Book The trouble of a book is first to be No thoughts to nobody, Then to lie as long unwritten As it will lie unread, Then to build word for word an author And occupy his head Until the head declares vacancy To make full publication Of running empty. The trouble of a book is secondly To keep awake and ready And listening like an innkeeper, Wishing, not wishing for a guest, Torn between hope of no rest And hope of rest. Uncertainly the pages doze And blink open to passing fingers With landlord smile, then close. The trouble of a book is thirdly To speak its sermon, then look the other way, Around commotion in the margin, Where tongue meets the eye, But claim no experience of panic, No complicity in the outcry. The ordeal of a book is to give no hint Of ordeal, to be flat and witless Of the upright sense of print. The trouble of a book is chiefly To be nothing but book outwardly; To wear binding like binding, Bury itself in book-death, Yet to feel all but book; To breathe live words, yet with the breath Of letters; to address liveliness In reading eyes, be answered with Letters and bookishness. --Laura (Riding) Jackson fr. Selected Poems: in Five Sets [London: Faber and Faber, 1970] Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard Fri Jun 9 10:27:03 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:27:03 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FYRP: Stimulus & response Message-ID: Note: The stimulus is found via the link in the first paragraph. To wit: http://www.trailofdead.com/ HJ ==== ESSAY: And You Will Know Them By the Trail of the Dumb: a Defense of Abstract Art . by Josh Ronsen A member of the Austin rock band And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead has written an essay attacking abstract and modern art. You may find the essay here. Scroll down to the May 7, 2003 entry to find it. The author of the article is not listed, but maybe it is Conrad Keely. For the sake of this article I refer to the actual author as Dead. Dead?s essay reads like it has been cribbed from every remedial attack on Modern Art since the 1913 Armory Show. Again we read the same tired accusations of ?anyone can do it,? and suffer charges of elitism since the common man doesn?t appreciate it. To prove his point, Dead shows a number of abstract paintings and old-time classics to a four-year old girl. The results are astonishing: the girl does not like the modern art, but rather likes the ?pretty? pictures. Thus it is case closed for the product of an Evergreen State College education (I?m a University of Chicago man myself; just paid off my student loans). Let?s tear down the Rothko Chapel and put up some pony paintings (c.f. http://www.njeaa.com/snowhoroilpa.html). Now a person of sharper intelligence--and I will suffer the charge of elitism by saying there aren?t many smart people out there--may question the idea of a four year old girl deciding anything about anything. Her primary concern at this point in life is when she can start wearing makeup (perhaps the most degenerate form of painting in Western culture). If we conduct Dead?s ?experiment? with the culinary arts, we may find that the four year old girl greatly prefers Twinkies and Lucky Charms to vegetables and multi-grain bread. If left unchecked, this girl would eat nothing but sweets until all her teeth become rotted and her brain infected with trillions of streptococcus mutans bacteria producing destructive behavioral patterns such as listening to the new Liz Phair record. The same thing happens with art. If left unchecked, this girl will probably spend her entire life gazing at pretty pictures and not having to think about them. ?This picture is pretty, it is a classic, can I buy it on a tote bag?? she may find herself asking one day at the poster/frame shop in the mall. I want a better future for our kids. In his 1957 essay ?the Creative Act,? Marcel Duchamp, perhaps the greatest modern artist, or at least one of the most original and daring, describes art as a three part process involving the artist, the work of art itself and thirdly, and perhaps most important, the viewer, who must engage the art work to complete it. In earlier times (in Western Civilization), art was a way of reinforcing rigid social and religious structures. In the Renaissance, the average person had no access to art unless seen in church: there were no museums, no public libraries. Art was a tool of the wealthy as another way to display their obscene wealth and social standing. This is the ?very specific function? that Dead is looking for in art. This art, mostly pretty pictures, does not directly engage the viewer intellectually. Duchamp called this art--which is so prevalent in society that only it is defined as Art--retinal art; art that plays with the eye but goes little deeper. Duchamp devoted his life to fighting the pull and attraction of this powerful force, and strove to create that which would instead play on the mind. When writing ?visual art is about ways of seeing,? Dead shows his allegiance to this simpler, easier way of life. The pile of coal which fuels Dead?s essay perfectly encapsulates his anti-intellectual bias. Dead only sees a pile of coal and passes on to us a simple surface description. By not providing the title of the piece or the artist, we cannot enter into a discussion about its merits. Perhaps it was a terrible piece, a cheap Richard Long knock off. Perhaps Dead stumbled upon the loading dock and found an actual pile of coal awaiting transfer to the furnace (much like the old joke about the uncovered electrical wall socket in the art gallery: it provokes vigorous debate until the janitor arrives and re-attaches the cover). Perhaps it was a masterpiece by Robert Smithon. Dead effectively shuts down dialogue and debate before it can begin. Who can argue with ?a pile of coal?? Who could argue if I reduce the Mona Lisa to ?colored pigments on wood? or a piece of music to ?patterns of air pressure?? Dead sees, but he does not think. Dead?s historical argument doesn?t hold any water, which is no surprise. The art survey course I assume he took at Evergreen State College (?studying art on a theoretical level??) didn?t and couldn?t expose him to the true basis of representational painting. Dead claims ?even the first paintings done on caves were not abstract or exercises in self-indulgence, but beautifully, sometimes sublimely realistic representations.? This smacks of an art survey course at someplace like Evergreen State College where teachers drunk on Enlightenment fallacies like Rousseau's "all men are born free" argue the grace and purity of primitive man. Their basic argument is that the cave painters, being so in tune with nature and free from Evil Society, create paintings so ?beautiful? that they still speak to us thousands of years later. Lucy Lippard, in her book ?Overlay: Contemporary Art and the Art of Prehistory,? writes of those ?who glorify nature and the distant past, using them as reactionary propaganda to send people back to their proper places, their proper classes, their proper gender roles.? [pg.9] These art survey teachers, and I assume Dead as well, are angry that their pretty pony paintings lost out to an abstract concept piece at the Evergreen State College Art Fair. Lippard later describes certain ancient wall carvings as ?randomly patterned with [concentric circles, seemingly very abstract], some with comet-like trails. Such marks are particularly mysterious since they are found all over the world.? This shows that primitive artists did make abstract, random works and were not totally involved with representational art. Dead doesn?t understand the cave painters (or, for that matter, caves: one paints IN caves, ON cave walls; one does not paint ?on caves.?). What are the cave paintings really about? I will tell you. Lacking silverware, because they didn?t have society to tell them to use a fork, primitive man ripped apart their prey with their hands. Their hands became bloody and, not being complete savages, they had a desire to wipe off the blood. Where did they do this? On the walls of their caves. That is right, these first paintings, so described in public by Dead as ?beautiful? and ?sublimely realistic? were nothing but bloody hand turkeys, the same hand turkeys that are used even today to indoctrinate small children (like Dead?s young friend) into representational painting and the allure of ?pretty? pictures. All of what Dead considers to be Art can be traced back to this most simple and insidious form of art, the hand turkey. The line is clear. Art and Life offer a wide range of experiences, ideas and beauties, some not obvious, taking time and effort to discover. To devalue something because it is not easily swallowed by the ?uneducated? (Dead?s word) masses is stupidity piled upon ignorance. Ask the average Texas country bumpkin what he thinks about Indian cuisine or music. He?s not going to sit for a minute of sitar playing. That doesn?t make it any less worthwhile. The same goes for abstract art. Abstract art is needed, desperately needed because it can force the mind to think, to experience something new, to find the poetry within life. As Rabbi Abraham Itshaq Kook wrote: ?May misfortune fall on he who wants to remove the poetic aspect of life, he loses the very savor of this life and all its truth.? >>Josh Ronsen is publisher of Monk Mink Pink Punk. He is a multi- instrumentalist (guitar, clarinet, electronics, computer, piano, cello) in Austin, Texas and his sound work appears on over two dozen records. He also publishes the Austinnitus electronic newsletter.>> at http://home.grandecom.net/~jronsen/mmpp11/abstract.html "There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james Fri Jun 9 10:40:24 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:40:24 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined In-Reply-To: <007a01c68b52$9c7091c0$67b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com> <648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com> <007a01c68b52$9c7091c0$67b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <648208b60606090740h57fee6eaq1a0f6d3029abfc9b@mail.gmail.com> On 6/8/06, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > > "I don't know, mama. I can't paint and I can't fuck and I'm angry all > > the time. Now I know how a critic must feel." - Ellen Cherry, in > > Skinny Legs and All, by Tom Robbins. > > I'm curious: is Ellen Cherry expressing the author's point of view, or is > she a satire on the standard tenth-rate artist? All the characters are . . . caricatures, and satirical to this or that degree. The character of Ellen Cherry is pure artist, whether the final product is good, bad, or indifferent. It's a fun read and plays with serious matters, such as the patriarchal/Christian subversion of the matriarchal/Dionysian mind set. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From cervantes.james Fri Jun 9 10:41:38 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:41:38 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60606090741vc66f021w6db3f62241f357ed@mail.gmail.com> Gotta like those last four lines. - Jim On 6/9/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > > The Troubles of a Book > > The trouble of a book is first to be > No thoughts to nobody, > Then to lie as long unwritten > As it will lie unread, > Then to build word for word an author > And occupy his head > Until the head declares vacancy > To make full publication > Of running empty. > > The trouble of a book is secondly > To keep awake and ready > And listening like an innkeeper, > Wishing, not wishing for a guest, > Torn between hope of no rest > And hope of rest. > Uncertainly the pages doze > And blink open to passing fingers > With landlord smile, then close. > > The trouble of a book is thirdly > To speak its sermon, then look the other way, > Around commotion in the margin, > Where tongue meets the eye, > But claim no experience of panic, > No complicity in the outcry. > The ordeal of a book is to give no hint > Of ordeal, to be flat and witless > Of the upright sense of print. > > The trouble of a book is chiefly > To be nothing but book outwardly; > To wear binding like binding, > Bury itself in book-death, > Yet to feel all but book; > To breathe live words, yet with the breath > Of letters; to address liveliness > In reading eyes, be answered with > Letters and bookishness. > > --Laura (Riding) Jackson > > fr. Selected Poems: in Five Sets > [London: Faber and Faber, 1970] > > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From bobgrumman Fri Jun 9 11:14:52 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:14:52 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FR Leavis examined References: <3ec.3e6ff7d.31b9c156@aol.com><648208b60606081435x690d40cep7fce9a5b8ba7730a@mail.gmail.com><007a01c68b52$9c7091c0$67b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <648208b60606090740h57fee6eaq1a0f6d3029abfc9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701c68bd7$77212c10$39b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> >> > "I don't know, mama. I can't paint and I can't fuck and I'm angry all >> > the time. Now I know how a critic must feel." - Ellen Cherry, in >> > Skinny Legs and All, by Tom Robbins. >> >> I'm curious: is Ellen Cherry expressing the author's point of view, or is >> she a satire on the standard tenth-rate artist? >>--Bob G. > All the characters are . . . caricatures, and satirical to this or > that degree. The character of Ellen Cherry is pure artist, whether > the final product is good, bad, or indifferent. It's a fun read and > plays with serious matters, such as the patriarchal/Christian > subversion of the matriarchal/Dionysian mind set. > > -- Jim Good capsulization--thanks. --Bob G. From bobgrumman Fri Jun 9 11:48:16 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:48:16 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] FYRP: Stimulus & response References: Message-ID: <003601c68bdc$2123fb30$39b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Nice essay. Not the one by "Dead," which I haven't gotten to yet. Surprise--the one bothersome thing about the essay for me was that I found it a mite condescending toward representational visual art. (Traditional visual art.) Anyway, thanks for alert, Halvard. --Bob G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Halvard Johnson To: new-Poetry New-Poetry ; Crew Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] FYRP: Stimulus & response Note: The stimulus is found via the link in the first paragraph. To wit: http://www.trailofdead.com/ HJ ==== ESSAY: And You Will Know Them By the Trail of the Dumb: a Defense of Abstract Art . by Josh Ronsen A member of the Austin rock band And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead has written an essay attacking abstract and modern art. You may find the essay here. Scroll down to the May 7, 2003 entry to find it. The author of the article is not listed, but maybe it is Conrad Keely. For the sake of this article I refer to the actual author as Dead. Dead?s essay reads like it has been cribbed from every remedial attack on Modern Art since the 1913 Armory Show. Again we read the same tired accusations of ?anyone can do it,? and suffer charges of elitism since the common man doesn?t appreciate it. To prove his point, Dead shows a number of abstract paintings and old-time classics to a four-year old girl. The results are astonishing: the girl does not like the modern art, but rather likes the ?pretty? pictures. Thus it is case closed for the product of an Evergreen State College education (I?m a University of Chicago man myself; just paid off my student loans). Let?s tear down the Rothko Chapel and put up some pony paintings (c.f. http://www.njeaa.com/snowhoroilpa.html). Now a person of sharper intelligence--and I will suffer the charge of elitism by saying there aren?t many smart people out there--may question the idea of a four year old girl deciding anything about anything. Her primary concern at this point in life is when she can start wearing makeup (perhaps the most degenerate form of painting in Western culture). If we conduct Dead?s ?experiment? with the culinary arts, we may find that the four year old girl greatly prefers Twinkies and Lucky Charms to vegetables and multi-grain bread. If left unchecked, this girl would eat nothing but sweets until all her teeth become rotted and her brain infected with trillions of streptococcus mutans bacteria producing destructive behavioral patterns such as listening to the new Liz Phair record. The same thing happens with art. If left unchecked, this girl will probably spend her entire life gazing at pretty pictures and not having to think about them. ?This picture is pretty, it is a classic, can I buy it on a tote bag?? she may find herself asking one day at the poster/frame shop in the mall. I want a better future for our kids. In his 1957 essay ?the Creative Act,? Marcel Duchamp, perhaps the greatest modern artist, or at least one of the most original and daring, describes art as a three part process involving the artist, the work of art itself and thirdly, and perhaps most important, the viewer, who must engage the art work to complete it. In earlier times (in Western Civilization), art was a way of reinforcing rigid social and religious structures. In the Renaissance, the average person had no access to art unless seen in church: there were no museums, no public libraries. Art was a tool of the wealthy as another way to display their obscene wealth and social standing. This is the ?very specific function? that Dead is looking for in art. This art, mostly pretty pictures, does not directly engage the viewer intellectually. Duchamp called this art--which is so prevalent in society that only it is defined as Art--retinal art; art that plays with the eye but goes little deeper. Duchamp devoted his life to fighting the pull and attraction of this powerful force, and strove to create that which would instead play on the mind. When writing ?visual art is about ways of seeing,? Dead shows his allegiance to this simpler, easier way of life. The pile of coal which fuels Dead?s essay perfectly encapsulates his anti-intellectual bias. Dead only sees a pile of coal and passes on to us a simple surface description. By not providing the title of the piece or the artist, we cannot enter into a discussion about its merits. Perhaps it was a terrible piece, a cheap Richard Long knock off. Perhaps Dead stumbled upon the loading dock and found an actual pile of coal awaiting transfer to the furnace (much like the old joke about the uncovered electrical wall socket in the art gallery: it provokes vigorous debate until the janitor arrives and re-attaches the cover). Perhaps it was a masterpiece by Robert Smithon. Dead effectively shuts down dialogue and debate before it can begin. Who can argue with ?a pile of coal?? Who could argue if I reduce the Mona Lisa to ?colored pigments on wood? or a piece of music to ?patterns of air pressure?? Dead sees, but he does not think. Dead?s historical argument doesn?t hold any water, which is no surprise. The art survey course I assume he took at Evergreen State College (?studying art on a theoretical level??) didn?t and couldn?t expose him to the true basis of representational painting. Dead claims ?even the first paintings done on caves were not abstract or exercises in self-indulgence, but beautifully, sometimes sublimely realistic representations.? This smacks of an art survey course at someplace like Evergreen State College where teachers drunk on Enlightenment fallacies like Rousseau's "all men are born free" argue the grace and purity of primitive man. Their basic argument is that the cave painters, being so in tune with nature and free from Evil Society, create paintings so ?beautiful? that they still speak to us thousands of years later. Lucy Lippard, in her book ?Overlay: Contemporary Art and the Art of Prehistory,? writes of those ?who glorify nature and the distant past, using them as reactionary propaganda to send people back to their proper places, their proper classes, their proper gender roles.? [pg.9] These art survey teachers, and I assume Dead as well, are angry that their pretty pony paintings lost out to an abstract concept piece at the Evergreen State College Art Fair. Lippard later describes certain ancient wall carvings as ?randomly patterned with [concentric circles, seemingly very abstract], some with comet-like trails. Such marks are particularly mysterious since they are found all over the world.? This shows that primitive artists did make abstract, random works and were not totally involved with representational art. Dead doesn?t understand the cave painters (or, for that matter, caves: one paints IN caves, ON cave walls; one does not paint ?on caves.?). What are the cave paintings really about? I will tell you. Lacking silverware, because they didn?t have society to tell them to use a fork, primitive man ripped apart their prey with their hands. Their hands became bloody and, not being complete savages, they had a desire to wipe off the blood. Where did they do this? On the walls of their caves. That is right, these first paintings, so described in public by Dead as ?beautiful? and ?sublimely realistic? were nothing but bloody hand turkeys, the same hand turkeys that are used even today to indoctrinate small children (like Dead?s young friend) into representational painting and the allure of ?pretty? pictures. All of what Dead considers to be Art can be traced back to this most simple and insidious form of art, the hand turkey. The line is clear. Art and Life offer a wide range of experiences, ideas and beauties, some not obvious, taking time and effort to discover. To devalue something because it is not easily swallowed by the ?uneducated? (Dead?s word) masses is stupidity piled upon ignorance. Ask the average Texas country bumpkin what he thinks about Indian cuisine or music. He?s not going to sit for a minute of sitar playing. That doesn?t make it any less worthwhile. The same goes for abstract art. Abstract art is needed, desperately needed because it can force the mind to think, to experience something new, to find the poetry within life. As Rabbi Abraham Itshaq Kook wrote: ?May misfortune fall on he who wants to remove the poetic aspect of life, he loses the very savor of this life and all its truth.? >>Josh Ronsen is publisher of Monk Mink Pink Punk. He is a multi-instrumentalist (guitar, clarinet, electronics, computer, piano, cello) in Austin, Texas and his sound work appears on over two dozen records. He also publishes the Austinnitus electronic newsletter.>> at http://home.grandecom.net/~jronsen/mmpp11/abstract.html "There is poetry in everything. That is the biggest argument against poetry." --Miroslav Holub Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.bircumshaw Fri Jun 9 12:49:47 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:49:47 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" References: <648208b60606090741vc66f021w6db3f62241f357ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01c68be4$b8caca60$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Don't quite agree, James. Looking again at the poem, Very Carefully, we have the repetition of 'letters' in the space of 4 lines, 'breath' and 'breathe' on the same line and the god-awful rhyme of 'liveliness' and 'bookishness'. Could do better, as they say on school-reports. (Her pararhyme of 'with' and 'breathe' is quite snazzy though) Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cervantes" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson,"The Troubles of a Book" > Gotta like those last four lines. > > - Jim > > On 6/9/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > > > > > The Troubles of a Book > > > > The trouble of a book is first to be > > No thoughts to nobody, > > Then to lie as long unwritten > > As it will lie unread, > > Then to build word for word an author > > And occupy his head > > Until the head declares vacancy > > To make full publication > > Of running empty. > > > > The trouble of a book is secondly > > To keep awake and ready > > And listening like an innkeeper, > > Wishing, not wishing for a guest, > > Torn between hope of no rest > > And hope of rest. > > Uncertainly the pages doze > > And blink open to passing fingers > > With landlord smile, then close. > > > > The trouble of a book is thirdly > > To speak its sermon, then look the other way, > > Around commotion in the margin, > > Where tongue meets the eye, > > But claim no experience of panic, > > No complicity in the outcry. > > The ordeal of a book is to give no hint > > Of ordeal, to be flat and witless > > Of the upright sense of print. > > > > The trouble of a book is chiefly > > To be nothing but book outwardly; > > To wear binding like binding, > > Bury itself in book-death, > > Yet to feel all but book; > > To breathe live words, yet with the breath > > Of letters; to address liveliness > > In reading eyes, be answered with > > Letters and bookishness. > > > > --Laura (Riding) Jackson > > > > fr. Selected Poems: in Five Sets > > [London: Faber and Faber, 1970] > > > > > > > > Hal > > > > Halvard Johnson > > ================ > > halvard at earthlink.net > > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From cervantes.james Fri Jun 9 14:02:10 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:02:10 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" In-Reply-To: <002e01c68be4$b8caca60$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <648208b60606090741vc66f021w6db3f62241f357ed@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c68be4$b8caca60$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <648208b60606091102j51a8be66l2846352ecfb8c1e3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/9/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > Don't quite agree, James. Looking again at the poem, Very Carefully, we have > the repetition of 'letters' in the space of 4 lines, 'breath' and 'breathe' > on the same line and the god-awful rhyme of 'liveliness' and 'bookishness'. > > Could do better, as they say on school-reports. (Her pararhyme of 'with' and > 'breathe' is quite snazzy though) It was the thought that counted for me. As fer poetics, I agree with you 100%. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From david.bircumshaw Fri Jun 9 18:57:18 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:57:18 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" References: <648208b60606090741vc66f021w6db3f62241f357ed@mail.gmail.com><002e01c68be4$b8caca60$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <648208b60606091102j51a8be66l2846352ecfb8c1e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801c68c18$10317be0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> James, when you say you agree with the poetics do you mean my mini-analysis of the last four lines of Laura Riding's poem? I say this with a certain pointedness as my seeming ability to do so makes me feel terribly alone too: I am an underclass low-life from the detritus of Leicester, people like me are not supposed to be able to dissect our betters, I get people from my own class accusing me of being an academic, which I'm not, while at the same time my social superiors indulge me as a a kind of educated monkey, isn't it amazing that it can talk. Etc, etc. Interested to know. All the Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cervantes" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson,"The Troubles of a Book" > On 6/9/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > Don't quite agree, James. Looking again at the poem, Very Carefully, we have > > the repetition of 'letters' in the space of 4 lines, 'breath' and 'breathe' > > on the same line and the god-awful rhyme of 'liveliness' and 'bookishness'. > > > > Could do better, as they say on school-reports. (Her pararhyme of 'with' and > > 'breathe' is quite snazzy though) > > It was the thought that counted for me. As fer poetics, I agree with you 100%. > > > -- Jim > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From JforJames Fri Jun 9 19:24:05 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:24:05 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Harrison ponders existence Message-ID: <268.ad60291.31bb5d15@aol.com> _http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Books/Content?oid=oid:83048_ (http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Books/Content?oid=oid:83048) Conscience of the World Jim Harrison ponders existence in his fantastic new book of poetry By JON SHUMAKER Saving Daylight, by Jim Harrison. Copper Canyon Press, $22. Jim Harrison has written a new book of poems, and it is a beauty. It's been a long time coming. His first full-length collection of poems in 10 years, Saving Daylight is Harrison's exploration of the porous membrane separating the past from the future--that thing we call the present. Harrison has been dissecting the world for years with his razor-sharp prose and zen-inspired poetry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.bircumshaw Fri Jun 9 19:36:38 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:36:38 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Harrison ponders existence References: <268.ad60291.31bb5d15@aol.com> Message-ID: <005b01c68c1d$8f34a4d0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Y'know Jim, I ponder existence a lot meself. But I wouldn't dare do it with either razor-sharp prose or zen-inspired poetry. I'd feel like I'd fallen into one of my own jokes if I did. Not that I get all jokes, ask RH on this subject, much mystified thereupon .... Here's a poem anyhow, I think it faulty in parts, but quite strong in others, it has a BIG subject: PAROUSIA I Imagine this: a room within, the bounds of voice; a crow cries beyond; a clock counts; a hall empty, a hall full. A voice comparing: the sons of Belial like unto the word of denial; preparing: the children of darkness for the prince of light; declaring: the advent of Israel from the body of the Nile; a voice aboom abounds above bowed heads of the belov'd. II It dropped from the sky like a stone burning down with the Will of Heaven. It consumed the dark lives tangled around roots of pride. It humbled the high and low. On our bent knees we move-still forward-led towards the Last Day of Days, the First of Ever. III On bended knees towards a You-tree, of You twisted on the pole of the calendar, through a snake-lane we turn, bloodied, tilting like shadows repeating the angles of flesh. IV Tell me a history of that saviour who bides till the calendar ends in a dancing of flame, for a twelfth to come self-slaughtering bride. Make me accounts of all redemptions denied to justice's pawns in the backstreets of time, in slave-ships or coal-mines, on all the wrong sides; of yesterdays bartered that something might come; and faith sold like charity; and like hope decried, till the day of atonement by a redeemer who hides. V Twelve is the count of the tribes and signs that order the years till the ending of times; divided then divided, by the two that parted, it numbers in three the brand of the beast to the faithful awaiting the bridebed's feast, abandoned in Egypt, their rescue unstarted. VI By Your Whither-tree of winter supplicant we count out days of a world of waste days to a mewling new-born calendar, days to another zodiac and zenith culminating by degrees its constellated eyes. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:24 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Harrison ponders existence http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Books/Content?oid=oid:83048 Conscience of the World Jim Harrison ponders existence in his fantastic new book of poetry By JON SHUMAKER Saving Daylight, by Jim Harrison. Copper Canyon Press, $22. Jim Harrison has written a new book of poems, and it is a beauty. It's been a long time coming. His first full-length collection of poems in 10 years, Saving Daylight is Harrison's exploration of the porous membrane separating the past from the future--that thing we call the present. Harrison has been dissecting the world for years with his razor-sharp prose and zen-inspired poetry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Fri Jun 9 20:59:42 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:59:42 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] ephemeral anthology: bookish poems Message-ID: <4b9.ec843c.31bb737e@aol.com> After that very interesing Riding poem that Hal posted, I call for other poems where the book or reading is important to the poem. Here's one (below) by the bookish Borges... Finnegan -- Readers Of that gentleman with the sallow, dry complexion And knightly disposition, they conjecture That, always on the edge of an adventure, He never actually left his library. The precise chronicle of his campaigning And all its tragicomical reversals Was dreamed by him and not by Cervantes And is no more than the record of his dreaming. Such is also my luck. I know there is something Essential and immortal that I have buried Somewhere in that library of the past In which I read the story of that knight. The slow leaves now recall a solemn child Who dreams vague things he does not understand. --Jorge Luis Borges (translated by Alastair Reid) In a message dated 6/9/2006 9:44:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, halvard at earthlink.net writes: The Troubles of a Book The trouble of a book is first to be No thoughts to nobody, Then to lie as long unwritten As it will lie unread, Then to build word for word an author And occupy his head Until the head declares vacancy To make full publication Of running empty. The trouble of a book is secondly To keep awake and ready And listening like an innkeeper, Wishing, not wishing for a guest, Torn between hope of no rest And hope of rest. Uncertainly the pages doze And blink open to passing fingers With landlord smile, then close. The trouble of a book is thirdly To speak its sermon, then look the other way, Around commotion in the margin, Where tongue meets the eye, But claim no experience of panic, No complicity in the outcry. The ordeal of a book is to give no hint Of ordeal, to be flat and witless Of the upright sense of print. The trouble of a book is chiefly To be nothing but book outwardly; To wear binding like binding, Bury itself in book-death, Yet to feel all but book; To breathe live words, yet with the breath Of letters; to address liveliness In reading eyes, be answered with Letters and bookishness. --Laura (Riding) Jackson fr. 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'Oh, I've been scanning pond and hole And waterway hereabout For the body of one with a sunken soul Who has put his life-light out. 'Did you hear his frenzied tattle? It was sorrow for his son Who is slain in brutish battle, Though he has injured none. 'And now I am curious to look Into the blinkered mind Of one who wants to write a book In a world of such a kind.' Her temper overwrought me, And I edged to shun her view, For I felt assured she thought me One who should drown him too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Applicants should have a special interest in the role of literary arts in civic life, and imaginative programming ideas. Duration: September 2006 through June, 2007. It is renewable, with a two-term limit. Teaching: The writer-in-residence will teach two classes in our Inquiry Through Writing Program over the course of one year (one class per week during two six-week quarters per year). The writer will receive separate compensation for teaching. Consultation: Keep an average of five office hours per week to consult with Hugo House community members on their writing projects. We encourage the writer-in-residence to substitute some of these office hours with community outreach hours (teaching or giving readings in various community centers, hospitals, etc.). The Perks: $750 per month stipend for nine months, plus additional compensation for Inquiry Through Writing Program classes. A vibrant and growing community of, by, and for writers. An opportunity to work with a committed staff in a creative work environment. Representation: Be an ambassador of Hugo House and an advocate for the literary arts in the community. Your Application: Write a description of your potential residency that includes details about the class(es) you would like to teach, your teaching philosophy, and your views about the role of writing in our culture (please limit to 500 words). Send application by July 5 to: Alix Wilber, Program Director Richard Hugo House 1634 11th Ave. Seattle, WA 98122 No phone or e-mail queries please. For more information, visit www.hugohouse.org/about/jobs.html. Visit www.hugohouse.org to learn more about Hugo House and read about past programs produced by writers-in-residence. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Applicants for the position should be practicing, published (or produced) writers of poetry, fiction, plays or creative nonfiction as well as accomplished and dedicated writing teachers with significant experience and pedagogical knowledge of various teaching philosophies and methods. Applicants should have a special interest in the role of literary arts in civic life, and imaginative programming ideas. Duration: September 2006 through June, 2007. It is renewable, with a two-term limit. Teaching: The writer-in-residence will teach two classes in our Inquiry Through Writing Program over the course of one year (one class per week during two six-week quarters per year). The writer will receive separate compensation for teaching. Consultation: Keep an average of five office hours per week to consult with Hugo House community members on their writing projects. We encourage the writer-in-residence to substitute some of these office hours with community outreach hours (teaching or giving readings in various community centers, hospitals, etc.). The Perks: $750 per month stipend for nine months, plus additional compensation for Inquiry Through Writing Program classes. A vibrant and growing community of, by, and for writers. An opportunity to work with a committed staff in a creative work environment. Representation: Be an ambassador of Hugo House and an advocate for the literary arts in the community. Your Application: Write a description of your potential residency that includes details about the class(es) you would like to teach, your teaching philosophy, and your views about the role of writing in our culture (please limit to 500 words). Send application by July 5 to: Alix Wilber, Program Director Richard Hugo House 1634 11th Ave. Seattle, WA 98122 No phone or e-mail queries please. 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URL: From cervantes.james Sat Jun 10 10:38:50 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:38:50 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson, "The Troubles of a Book" In-Reply-To: <003801c68c18$10317be0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <648208b60606090741vc66f021w6db3f62241f357ed@mail.gmail.com> <002e01c68be4$b8caca60$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <648208b60606091102j51a8be66l2846352ecfb8c1e3@mail.gmail.com> <003801c68c18$10317be0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <648208b60606100738u32d1ca1cyf7e6dc5cc19a98c3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/9/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > James, when you say you agree with the poetics do you mean my mini-analysis > of the last four lines of Laura Riding's poem? Yes. They're not exactly specimens of high craft. - Jim, another educated monkey >I say this with a certain > pointedness as my seeming ability to do so makes me feel terribly alone too: > I am an underclass low-life from the detritus of Leicester, people like me > are not supposed to be able to dissect our betters, I get people from my own > class accusing me of being an academic, which I'm not, while at the same > time my social superiors indulge me as a a kind of educated monkey, isn't it > amazing that it can talk. Etc, etc. > > Interested to know. > > All the Best > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Cervantes" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" > > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Laura (Riding) Jackson,"The > Troubles of a Book" > > > > On 6/9/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > > Don't quite agree, James. Looking again at the poem, Very Carefully, we > have > > > the repetition of 'letters' in the space of 4 lines, 'breath' and > 'breathe' > > > on the same line and the god-awful rhyme of 'liveliness' and > 'bookishness'. > > > > > > Could do better, as they say on school-reports. (Her pararhyme of 'with' > and > > > 'breathe' is quite snazzy though) > > > > It was the thought that counted for me. As fer poetics, I agree with you > 100%. > > > > > > -- Jim > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From queenmouse Sun Jun 11 12:03:24 2006 From: queenmouse (Suzanne Burns) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:03:24 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Richard Hugo House Seeks Writer-in-Residence Location: Seatt... In-Reply-To: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> Message-ID: I once had a year long residency at the Vermont Studio Center, which I juggled with an adjunct teaching position. The compensation was room and board since I was a "staff artist". On the plus side: The food was great and I met an amazing array of artists and writers from all over the world. I had a free ticket for all of the writing workshops, and since I was not paying for rent or food, my adjunct pay actually covered my bills comfortably. I left withy enough money saved to get an apartment in Boston. On the negative side: Well I can't think of any negatives except that you really do have to be in a position to take a very, very long vacation in order to do something like this. I was at a point in my life back then where I could be the modest-living wandering bohemian (I didn't have a choice, frankly) but I do not see how anyone who has a home, children, pets, horses to care for, mother dying of cancer, and/or a real job/business to maintain could ever do this. Sinced then I have had the opportunity to live in P'town or spend a few months at MacDowell, and a whole host of other residency type places. I haven't taken these opportunities (though I am severely tempted all the time to run away and live in a dune shack, the most appealing opportunity) because I know perfectly well that if I stepped down from my current job it would be very hard to find anything else like it again. Back when I had my own business it was out of the question because clients have this way of flying away and never coming back. Not having other resources to fall back on, losing my livelihood just wasn't an option. Most of these residencies presume that you are an academic with access to summer vacation and paid sabbaticals (or that you at least have the power to take unpaid leave and not lose your job), or that you are a member of the leisure class (perhaps one of those wealthy Brookline matrons who I see all the time in tai chi class). This one sounds like actual work and not just a free place to stay. If they upped it to $1500 and if those teaching positions paid decently, I could see this being a good job to take between gigs or while doing contract work on the sly. But when would I write? Ahh life... Suzanne On 6/9/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/9/2006 11:06:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > AlMaginnes at aol.com writes: > > Which shows what poetry fetches in hte market these days. Serisoudly, I > love Richard Hugo's work and a residency at the Hugo House would be a > terrific honor, but damn, I got bills to pay. Maybe if the Guggenheim goes > through...(yeah, right). > > Or Powerball. > > You have to rent (sublet) your abode...then move in to Hugo's old digs > & you're net $750 ahead. It does imply you've rot got a day-job holding > to your current residence/zipcode. Good for a sabbatical ....I'm trying to > > convince my boss I deserve one...oops, I'm the boss. All I have to do > is go. > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd Sun Jun 11 12:58:19 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:58:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet in residence In-Reply-To: References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> I've been poet-in-residence all my adult life--in residence at my own home, that is. I seem to be unlike many of my poet pals in that residencies, writers' colonies, foreign fellowships, and other such get aways have never tempted me much. Obviously, it's great to have more time to write, and one reason I'm a professor is that I can preserve fairly sizable blocks of time (e.g. summer break) to get writing done. And I've always been a fairly prolific writer, even when holding down a demanding job. One probably can't write novels this way, but lyric poems can be produced, I find, even in the cracks of a 14 hour work day. I would agree that travel to meet people and see things is certainly stimulating. I do travel--just not for purposes of writing. Leaving home to write has never appealed. I'm one of those people who is most productive right here at my home desk. I expect that (aside from the obvious practicalities involved--I can see why getting away is good for many) some writers are fueled by routine & familiarity, and some tend to feel stifled by it. On Jun 11, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Suzanne Burns wrote: > Most of these residencies presume that you are an academic with > access to summer vacation and paid sabbaticals (or that you at > least have the power to take unpaid leave and not lose your job), > or that you are a member of the leisure class (perhaps one of those > wealthy Brookline matrons who I see all the time in tai chi > class). This one sounds like actual work and not just a free place > to stay. If they upped it to $1500 and if those teaching positions > paid decently, I could see this being a good job to take between > gigs or while doing contract work on the sly. But when would I write? > > Ahh life... > > > Suzanne > ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwilsnac Sun Jun 11 13:13:15 2006 From: rwilsnac (Richard Wilsnack) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:13:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? In-Reply-To: <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> David Graham's "poet in residence" message, and the correspondence concerning the Richard Hugo House, raise a chronic question for creative writing in general: How much does it help/impede the writing process to have extended time available for writing? Or, in contrast, how much does it help/impede writing to have to write, as David says, "in the cracks of a 14 hour work day"? I suspect that the (un)availability of much "free" time works differently not only for different types of writing (say, novels vs. lyric poetry), but also for people with different personalities. Many writers, I suspect, hate deadlines yet work best when deadlines beset them. Any comments on the benefits/woes of having abundant/scarce time for writing? Richard W. Wilsnack rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu From queenmouse Sun Jun 11 15:04:55 2006 From: queenmouse (Suzanne Burns) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:04:55 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? In-Reply-To: <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> Message-ID: I find the Frank O'Hara approach works well for me-- writing poems when I can, over lunch if necessary. I find I thrive on activity and change, and tend to write more when I am juggling a lot of things or when I m travelling. I am not sure how much this is due o me having no other choice: my life and my schedule tends to be insane. Tech writing for a living has forced me to be organized ona level I never thought possible-- if Tuesday evening is the only evening this week when I will have some breathing space and time to think about poetry, I am very motivated to use that time well. As far residencies go, I have never believed that "time to write" is really what they are about. I mean if you have the time to go to the MacDowell Colony, you also have the time to put up a "do not disturb" sign and hole up in your study. If you have people in your life who don't care about breaking into your time, then you have a whole nuther kind of problem imho. Residencies to me are more about having an excuse to go off to some very pretty locale, and meet and socialize with other writers and artists and learn from that interaction. Time spent in that way can be very intoxicating-- VSC was a great place to meet all kinds of people, and it was instrumental in inspiring me to take up visual art as well as poetry (I was modelling for all of the artists, and ended up learning to paint in the process starting when Selina Trieff suggested that I take the class instead of modelling). That kind of experience and interaction is priceless. I have learned from experience that I do not thrive on isolation. I did the Greek island thing (actually it wasn't half as isolated as Jack Gilbert's poetry maks it sound); I did the hermit thing. And I ended up writing the same poem over and over. Throw me in the middle of life: that's where I belong. And even if I have no time at all, I will find a way to make it all work, even if that means training my readers to expect fragments. :-) Suzanne On 6/11/06, Richard Wilsnack wrote: > > David Graham's "poet in residence" message, and the correspondence > concerning the Richard Hugo House, raise a chronic question for creative > writing in general: > How much does it help/impede the writing process to have extended time > available for writing? Or, in contrast, how much does it help/impede > writing to have to > write, as David says, "in the cracks of a 14 hour work day"? I suspect > that the (un)availability of much "free" time works differently not only > for different types of writing (say, novels vs. lyric poetry), but also > for people with different personalities. Many writers, I suspect, hate > deadlines yet work best when deadlines beset them. Any comments on the > benefits/woes of having abundant/scarce time for writing? > > Richard W. Wilsnack > rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry Sun Jun 11 15:06:11 2006 From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:06:11 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? In-Reply-To: <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <731bb17a0606111206t1da91cdfra2dd621148514f8@mail.gmail.com> I'll chime in here and say that, like David, I am a professor. Right now, I'm on leave to work on coursework for my doctorate; but even when I was teaching 4-5 courses a term (I work for a community college), I found that when I had lots of things going on, I was more productive. I worked on poems during office hours; sometimes, I printed out hard copies to take to class if I were showing a video or doing some other activity that left me free. I've found that downtime depresses me. And, it seems, steals my creativity. I write songs, as well, and I can't seem to get any music written when I have a lot of free time. As far as my poetry is concerned, I've been working on being more disciplined this summer. I rise early, walk the dog, have coffee & cereal, and write until noon or 1:00 p.m. Then, in the afternoons, I read. So, the routine, I suppose, helps me. I know that other work in different ways. Jeff Newberry On 6/11/06, Richard Wilsnack wrote: > > David Graham's "poet in residence" message, and the correspondence > concerning the Richard Hugo House, raise a chronic question for creative > writing in general: > How much does it help/impede the writing process to have extended time > available for writing? Or, in contrast, how much does it help/impede > writing to have to > write, as David says, "in the cracks of a 14 hour work day"? I suspect > that the (un)availability of much "free" time works differently not only > for different types of writing (say, novels vs. lyric poetry), but also > for people with different personalities. Many writers, I suspect, hate > deadlines yet work best when deadlines beset them. Any comments on the > benefits/woes of having abundant/scarce time for writing? > > Richard W. Wilsnack > rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman Sun Jun 11 16:39:00 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:39:00 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com><3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu><448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <004d01c68d97$1716dbf0$63b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> During my four years in the air force, I think I wrote four or five poems, and possibly part of a play. I find it so hard to have a 9 to 5 job and be creative, that I've spent my life avoiding work. After the air force, my only 9 to 5 job was working for a computer service bureau. I think, during a vacation, I rewrote much of a book on my theory of psychology. Otherwise, I was almost completely unproductive. Oh, before that I worked in a factory days, and as a security guard nights. That only lasted a year. I did not writing, I'm sure. Now, working as a substitute teacher, I get my primary work done during my many vacations. I'm able to revise stuff, and even compose poetry while working, sometimes, but it's tough. I think that once what you compose becomes second-nature, as some of my poetry has for me, it's not that hard to compose it during work days. But more ambitious stuff, or maybe just longer stuff, like a novel or non-fiction book, is near impossible for me, unless under way. I seem to need, or think I need, to know I have uninterrupted time to finish a thing before I can get going on it. I find I can just about always do a blog entry, regardless of whether I'm working or not, and some of them I consider important (for me). There are other factors, like how well you like your 9 to 5 job, or the equivalent. Subbing I like much better than my previous jobs, which helps. How much your job relates to your art is obviously important, too. Switching from teaching poetry to composing it must be easier than switching from operating a computer to composing poetry, for example. Having intelligent people sympathetic to your work where you do you 9 to 5 would certainly help you compose on the side, too. And a culturally-stimulating environment I have both, to a degree, at the high school I teach at. For instance, most classrooms have books in them, and I can visit the excellent school library once a day or more (and sometimes sub there). I would have it to a greater degree if I were teaching at a college. I can't say I had it in the air force, or at the computer service bureau or the factory. There were intelligent, cultured people at both places, but no books, to speak of, and no time to discuss culture, anyway--except, of course, when the 9 to 5 part of the day was over. One conclusion: we're all different. One question like the one Richard asked about whether having time or not having time is good/bad: is being prevented for long periods of time from composing good or bad? I sometimes think being prevented from composing can give an artist time to fill up with ideas. I have found that I'm often very much more productive during a vacation than I was when I had no 9 to 5 job (which was the case with me for almost 20 years after my computer service bureau job). --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millb Sun Jun 11 21:11:02 2006 From: millb (millb at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:11:02 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0606111206t1da91cdfra2dd621148514f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b8.eef868.31bb931b@aol.com> <3CE60445-4D87-483E-B1A6-DCD2B609C58E@ripon.edu> <448C4F2B.9020607@medicine.nodak.edu> <731bb17a0606111206t1da91cdfra2dd621148514f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C85BD434E46D04-1310-31F4@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> I'll chime in too, on this topic. As a non-academic writer, I find residencies important for my psyche. Often, I have a specific project in mind when I start a residency, but, also often, is the fact that my project changes and morphs and that the most important take-away from a residency is friendship. I think that writers and artists who teach college have more opportunities for socialization. For me, Yaddo and Vermont Studio and Jentel offered me time to write and time to read. . . what is not readily apparent to me intially was the time to play Scrabble and interact with other writers and artists and musicians and not discuss craft. Those down times are the most powerful experieces for me at residencies. My day job is technical writing which is just about as far away from poetry and fiction as you can get and not be a banker or insurance salesman, so residenies are a welcome opportunity for me to recharge my creative juices. During the times when I am able to land a fellowship or a grant and actually take time off (at home), I find that it takes me awhile to get acclimated. An average of one to two months is what it takes me to rebegin a writing habit full time (which is not say, not book-ended around an IT project). Well, that's my two cents. Mill ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LauraHeidy Sun Jun 11 22:56:19 2006 From: LauraHeidy (LauraHeidy at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:56:19 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? Message-ID: <4c6.120e6d6.31be31d3@aol.com> I've never done a residency, I wouldn't know how to do one....or even why I'd want to, be be completely frank about it. I guess I figure if you can't write at home, where you're most comfortable, why would you be able to write anywhere else? I'm probably wrong, of course, but that's just my two cents. It'd be nice to get away from work, family, responsibilities, etc. of course, but I'm not sure it would improve my writing productivity any. But then again, I'm not a very prolific writer and so it's a moot point. Apparently I can only write when and if I feel motivated and I tend to feel motivated by nothing recognizable. A poem is either there or it isn't and all the time and space in the world won't make it appear if it's not.....and conversely, no amount of other work/responsibility will make it go away if it wants to be written. I do a lot of middle of the night writing and bathtub writing and "oh-gosh-I -should-be-making-dinner/changing-sheets/laundry right now, but time just got away from me" writing. Then again, I'm not a professional "poet" or writer - and maybe that's why. I've not been writing for very long and for the first three or four years that I was trying to write I was raising three kids, working two jobs and teaching EMS and fire safety on the side. I got very used to writing on the fly as well as trying to squeeze in the reading and studying necessary to help myself try to understand what worked and why and how. (I've still not figured that one out.) What I am understanding, now that I am away from it, is that while I lack all formal education for a writing career, I did manage to come away with a wonderful amount of knowledge of how ordinary people are often extraordinary....how they respond to situations beyond their control, even beyond their own understanding....how the amount of courage that normal every-day people possess is amazing....how to look at the world through eyes other than my own and be able to appreciate the differences as well as the similarities. Fire and EMS are sure not academia but they definitely do provide a wealth of information regarding life....and what better thing to write about than life itself? It would be nice to have both, but if I had to choose between a nice place to write and experiences to write about, I'd have to choose experience as the better wellspring. Lo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsillima Mon Jun 12 09:08:52 2006 From: rsillima (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Recently on Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060612130852.84297.qmail@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Lisa Robertson The Men Copyright on MySpace why your work may belong to Rupert Murdoch What is bad poetry, Robert Pinsky? My Spaceship an anthology for out-of-this-world cats Against professionalism: Going to poetry for knowledge of the world Olson and Althusser ideology and the soul Proprioception as dialectics Proprioception Charles Olson?s other major manifesto On 750,000 weblog visitors A shout out to Zoe Strauss, Sylvia Legris, Catherine Wagner, and Robin Kemp The sexual politics of Projective Verse reading DuPlessis reading Olson Charles Olson, Objectivism & T.S. Eliot Breathing the syllable in Charles Olson?s ?Projective Verse? Eliot Weinberger on New Directions Timothy Yu, Pamela Lu and Asian-American anthologies http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From grahamd Mon Jun 12 10:49:23 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:49:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] What is bad poetry? Message-ID: Some interesting juxtapositions in Ron Silliman's latest blog. http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Silliman presents a link to Robert Pinsky's latest Poet's Choice column , in which Pinsky takes the old warhorse for a leisurely run around the track. Pinsky's typically intelligent take on "what is bad poetry?" quotes a famous Edgar Guest poem and gives it is due as a skillful piece of writing appealing to a mass readership. Pinsky understands that this kind of sentimental verse, glib and shallow as it is, nonetheless isn't easy to write, and does meet a real desire among huge numbers of readers. He goes on to say that such desires are most often met these days by the lyrics of pop music of all kinds. A decent analysis, I think. Pinsky closes with a poem by Marianne Moore about which he does not need to say much--a different kettle of fish entirely from Edgar Guest, obviously. Silliman doesn't make any comments on Pinsky's piece, just presents the link under a photo of Pinsky in a possibly photo-shopped pugilistic pose. But it's not hard to imagine the luscious sarcasm RS might indulge in, were he to find Pinsky's remarks worth responding to. His opinion of Pinsky's work is hardly a well kept secret. Thus it was with fine amusement that I see, just above the Pinsky link, some lines presented as an example of palpably *good* poetry. They are by Lisa Robertson, and come from her "new and wonderful" and even "great" book, in fact an "instant classic": *The Men*. What is good poetry, then? Here's a taste-- Men deft men mental men of loving men all men Vile men virtuous men same men from which men Sweet and men of mercy men such making men said Has each man that sees it Cray as men to the men sensate And their poverty speaking to the men Is about timeliness men is about Previous palpability from which The problematic politics adorable And humble especially Young men of sheepish privilege becoming Sweet new style --Lisa Robertson And one more excerpt: Each man ? I could write His poem. He needs no voice. But what would I take from it. Our facades are so Minor. What would I begin to say If his words were My poem. I am preoccupied with grace And have started to speak expensively ? as in Have joys Which look like choice Ill-matched to its consequence As laughter to a fall ? bad memory Poorly researched life The men?s Cocks And their faces As we do so Fall upwards. --Lisa Robertson For Silliman's typically interesting and detailed analysis, see his blog (address above). ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd Mon Jun 12 12:42:56 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:42:56 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Today's news Message-ID: <33A0C2B8-7502-4DED-BBBC-76B8501A6178@ripon.edu> I've been reading with much pleasure David Tucker's first collection, *Late for Work*, selected & introduced by Philip Levine for the Breadloaf Bakeless Prize. Tucker is a new name to me, but he's not a new writer. He's a fifty-something journalist and editor (New Jersey's Star-Ledger), and often writes about the newsroom experience. Not a surprise that Levine would take to him, since he writes so well about the working world. Today?s News A slow news day, but I did like the obit about the butcher who kept the same store for 50 years. People remembered when his street was sweetly roaring, aproned with flower stalls and fish stands. The stock market wandered, spooked by presidential winks, by micro-winds and the shadows of earnings. News was stationed around the horizon, ready as summer clouds to thunder-- but it moved off and we covered the committee meeting at the back of the state house, sat around on our desks then went home early. The birds were still singing, the sun just going down. Working these long hours you forget how beautiful the early evening can be, the big houses like ships turning into the night, their rooms piled high with silence. ?by David Tucker. Late for Work. Houghton Mifflin, 2006. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Mon Jun 12 12:56:52 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:56:52 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Today's news References: <33A0C2B8-7502-4DED-BBBC-76B8501A6178@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <003d01c68e41$344392e0$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> This is a very nice poem. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Today's news I've been reading with much pleasure David Tucker's first collection, *Late for Work*, selected & introduced by Philip Levine for the Breadloaf Bakeless Prize. Tucker is a new name to me, but he's not a new writer. He's a fifty-something journalist and editor (New Jersey's Star-Ledger), and often writes about the newsroom experience. Not a surprise that Levine would take to him, since he writes so well about the working world. Today?s News A slow news day, but I did like the obit about the butcher who kept the same store for 50 years. People remembered when his street was sweetly roaring, aproned with flower stalls and fish stands. The stock market wandered, spooked by presidential winks, by micro-winds and the shadows of earnings. News was stationed around the horizon, ready as summer clouds to thunder-- but it moved off and we covered the committee meeting at the back of the state house, sat around on our desks then went home early. The birds were still singing, the sun just going down. Working these long hours you forget how beautiful the early evening can be, the big houses like ships turning into the night, their rooms piled high with silence. ?by David Tucker. Late for Work. Houghton Mifflin, 2006. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james Mon Jun 12 17:54:14 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:54:14 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] What is bad poetry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60606121454x5716e737gd42d3a1bc770c922@mail.gmail.com> If you scroll past all that, you come to "The artistic hub that is Tijuana," which is hotlinked to a NYT article. I found that interesting. - Jim On 6/12/06, David Graham wrote: > > Some interesting juxtapositions in Ron Silliman's latest blog. > > http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ > > Silliman presents a link to Robert Pinsky's latest Poet's Choice column > , > in which Pinsky takes the old warhorse for a leisurely run around the track. > Pinsky's typically intelligent take on "what is bad poetry?" quotes a > famous Edgar Guest poem and gives it is due as a skillful piece of writing > appealing to a mass readership. Pinsky understands that this kind of > sentimental verse, glib and shallow as it is, nonetheless isn't easy to > write, and does meet a real desire among huge numbers of readers. He goes > on to say that such desires are most often met these days by the lyrics of > pop music of all kinds. A decent analysis, I think. Pinsky closes with a > poem by Marianne Moore about which he does not need to say much--a different > kettle of fish entirely from Edgar Guest, obviously. > > Silliman doesn't make any comments on Pinsky's piece, just presents the link > under a photo of Pinsky in a possibly photo-shopped pugilistic pose. But > it's not hard to imagine the luscious sarcasm RS might indulge in, were he > to find Pinsky's remarks worth responding to. His opinion of Pinsky's work > is hardly a well kept secret. > > Thus it was with fine amusement that I see, just above the Pinsky link, some > lines presented as an example of palpably *good* poetry. They are by Lisa > Robertson, and come from her "new and wonderful" and even "great" book, in > fact an "instant classic": *The Men*. > > What is good poetry, then? > > Here's a taste-- > > Men deft men mental men of loving men all men > Vile men virtuous men same men from which men > Sweet and men of mercy men such making men said > Has each man that sees it > Cray as men to the men sensate > And their poverty speaking to the men > Is about timeliness men is about > Previous palpability from which > The problematic politics adorable > And humble especially > Young men of sheepish privilege becoming > Sweet new style > > --Lisa Robertson > > And one more excerpt: > > > > Each man ? I could write > His poem. He needs no voice. > But what would I take from it. Our facades are so > Minor. What would I begin to say > If his words were > My poem. I am preoccupied with grace > And have started to speak expensively ? as in > Have joys > Which look like choice > Ill-matched to its consequence > As laughter to a fall ? bad memory > Poorly researched life > The men's > Cocks > And their faces > As we do so > Fall upwards. > > --Lisa Robertson > > > For Silliman's typically interesting and detailed analysis, see his blog > (address above). > > > > > > > > ========================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > Poetry Library: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > From chris.lott Mon Jun 12 19:29:15 2006 From: chris.lott (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:29:15 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] What is bad poetry? In-Reply-To: <648208b60606121454x5716e737gd42d3a1bc770c922@mail.gmail.com> References: <648208b60606121454x5716e737gd42d3a1bc770c922@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0606121629x2aae517aue6e4e43a9c4c6e96@mail.gmail.com> On 6/12/06, James Cervantes wrote: > If you scroll past all that, you come to "The artistic hub that is > Tijuana," which is hotlinked to a NYT article. I found that > interesting. More interesting yet is to scroll past the whole thing :) c From JforJames Mon Jun 12 22:24:48 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:24:48 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Time to write? Message-ID: <481.315660d.31bf7bf0@aol.com> I often wonder if a few weeks or months devoted to writing would be of use. (I'm sure it couldn't hurt) But Stevens and Williams are my models. Poets who got it done in-between, interstices not expanses. Poetry and space don't mix. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Join more than 60 poets ?including Ekiwah Adler-Belendez, Taha Muhammad Ali, Lucille Clifton, Billy Collins, Toi Derricotte, Mark Doty, Jorie Graham, Linda Gregg, Tony Hoagland, Linda Hogan, Kurtis Lamkin, Andrew Motion, Taslima Nasreen, Grace Paley, Linda Pastan, Gerald Stern, Sekou Sundiata, Brian Turner, and Ko Un?and dozens of accomplished musicians and storytellers for four days of poetry and music beside the Musconetcong River and among the Village ?s lawns, trees, and historic buildings. Waterloo Village is located one mile from Exit 25 of I-80, easily reached from New York City and points east and Pennsylvania and points west. I-287, the Garden State Parkway, Pennsylvania Turnpike, New Jersey Turnpike, and other major highways connect with I-80, offering easy access from points north and south. Special round trip bus transportation from New York City will be available during the Festival. Tickets will go on sale in April 2006. 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So go to it and have a look around, it's at: http://www.malleablejangle.netfirms.com/ All the best, and good luck in Germany. Robert Lane. Online poetry journal : http://www.malleablejangle.netfirms.com Poetry website: http://www.poetryrobertlane.netfirms.com/index.htm Blogspot: http://malleablejangle.blogspot.com/ Deja vu workshops: dejavuworkshops at yahoo.com.au l[a leaf falls]one l iness - e.e.cummings Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Tue Jun 13 13:27:01 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:27:01 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar Message-ID: <2d6.90bfef3.31c04f65@aol.com> http://www.slate.com/id/2143626/ Casual Perfection Why did the publication of Elizabeth Bishop's drafts cause an uproar? By Meghan O'Rourke Posted Tuesday, June 13, 2006, at 12:43 PM ET Elizabeth Bishop Elizabeth Bishop was a famously meticulous writer. In a poem Robert Lowell once wrote for her, he asked, "Do/ you still hang your words in air, ten years/ unfinished, glued to your notice board, with gaps/ or empties for the unimaginable phrase?/ unerring muse who makes the casual perfect?" It's no wonder, then, that the recent publication of Bishop's hitherto uncollected poems, drafts, and fragments in Edgar Allan Poe & the Juke-Box, edited by Alice Quinn, encountered fierce resistance, and some debate about the value of making this work available to the public. In an outraged piece for The New Republic, Helen Vendler labeled the drafts "maimed and stunted" and rebuked Farrar, Straus and Giroux for choosing to publish the volume. But the posthumous publication of drafts is hardly an uncommon practice. 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In a poem Robert > Lowell once wrote for her, he asked, "Do/ you still hang your words in > air, ten years/ unfinished, glued to your notice board, with gaps/ or > empties for the unimaginable phrase?/ unerring muse who makes the casual > perfect?" It's no wonder, then, that the recent publication of Bishop's > hitherto uncollected poems, drafts, and fragments in Edgar Allan Poe & > the Juke-Box, edited by Alice Quinn, encountered fierce resistance, and > some debate about the value of making this work available to the public. > In an outraged piece for The New Republic, Helen Vendler labeled the > drafts "maimed and stunted" and rebuked Farrar, Straus and Giroux for > choosing to publish the volume. But the posthumous publication of drafts > is hardly an uncommon practice. What exactly is it about publishing her > drafts that seems so troubling to so many? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From JforJames Tue Jun 13 15:45:37 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:45:37 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] classic Chinese poetry Message-ID: <2d4.8cd8c4c.31c06fe1@aol.com> In a message dated 6/8/2006 11:37:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, airplay at YOUR.ABC.NET.AU writes: *ABC Radio National Books and Drama newsletter 9 - 17 June 2006 * *POETICA * 10/6/2006 15:00 15/6/2006 21:00 (repeat) *Views from the Pavillions* *URL: *http://www.abc.net.au/rn/poetica/stories/2006/1635973.htm This classic Chinese poetry ranges from the 11th century to as far back as the 5th century BC, and shows the quality of observation and personal insight that has endeared it to poetry-lovers throughout history. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman Tue Jun 13 16:45:02 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:45:02 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar References: <2d6.90bfef3.31c04f65@aol.com> <448EFE54.5090802@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: <005701c68f2a$52a68140$33b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I wonder just how much of an "uproar" it caused. Did more than a hundred people care? Would even that many have cared if Vendler wasn't Queen of the Poetry Establishment? --Bob G. From JforJames Tue Jun 13 18:21:55 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:21:55 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar Message-ID: <306.6026c8b.31c09483@aol.com> I haven't seen the whole Vendler argument against...has others read it? (There is just about a paragraph or two on the New Republic's online site.) Vendler seems to be arguing that the book is engaging in 'false advertising'...that the pieces published in the _Edgar Allan Poe_ collection were never meant to see the light of day. But it would seem that the state of the manuscript copies, evidence from letters, the way the material was organized, etc., should be able to tell a scholar or careful editor something about how Bishop felt about an unpublished piece. And certainly there is precedence for books tracing the successive drafts of famous poems...so I don't know what the gripe would be about that. A poem, obviously a successive draft, organized with other poems in similar state in a binder or folder of some kind, poems sent in a letter to another poet (like M. Moore) for comment, etc., may very well be 'finished' (or abandoned per Auden via Valery) but, for this or that reason remained unsuited for collection. 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But it would seem > that the state of the manuscript copies, evidence from letters, the > way > the material was organized, etc., should be able to tell a scholar or > careful editor something about how Bishop felt about an unpublished > piece. > And certainly there is precedence for books tracing the successive > drafts > of famous poems...so I don't know what the gripe would be about that. > > A poem, obviously a successive draft, organized with other > poems in similar state in a binder or folder of some kind, poems > sent in a letter to another poet (like M. Moore) for comment, etc., > may very well be 'finished' (or abandoned per Auden via Valery) > but, for this or that reason remained unsuited for collection. > A few scribble lines from a notebook or on a lipsticked stained > cocktail napkin might be stretch to call 'unpublished'. > Finnegan > The entire review is online here: http://www.powells.com/review/ 2006_04_06 It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of material, but I think it does Bishop no good. Mike S From JforJames Tue Jun 13 20:36:57 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:36:57 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar Message-ID: <4c0.1689df5.31c0b429@aol.com> In a message dated 6/13/2006 7:20:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mandolin at mac.com writes: The entire review is online here: http://www.powells.com/review/ 2006_04_06 It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of material, but I think it does Bishop no good. Mike,I had trouble pulling up at that URL...I'll get in the library tomorrow. But your last comment strikes me as odd... "does Bishop no good," it seems you're being a bit protective of her. I doubt her literary legacy could be tarnished by any one book at this time. And it strikes me as almost an impossibilty that all of her finished poems were in print at the time of her death. She died in 1979 yet the this book was published in 1983? Who got to decide... The Complete Poems 1927-1979 (1983) Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Wed Jun 14 04:05:12 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:05:12 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar References: <306.6026c8b.31c09483@aol.com> Message-ID: <003201c68f89$43735040$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Well, not much can do Bishop any good at this point. Dead, and all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Snider" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar > > On Jun 13, 2006, at 6:21 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > >> I haven't seen the whole Vendler argument against...has others >> read it? (There is just about a paragraph or two on the New Republic's >> online site.) Vendler seems to be arguing that the book is engaging >> in 'false advertising'...that the pieces published in the _Edgar Allan >> Poe_ >> collection were never meant to see the light of day. But it would seem >> that the state of the manuscript copies, evidence from letters, the way >> the material was organized, etc., should be able to tell a scholar or >> careful editor something about how Bishop felt about an unpublished >> piece. >> And certainly there is precedence for books tracing the successive >> drafts >> of famous poems...so I don't know what the gripe would be about that. >> >> A poem, obviously a successive draft, organized with other >> poems in similar state in a binder or folder of some kind, poems >> sent in a letter to another poet (like M. Moore) for comment, etc., >> may very well be 'finished' (or abandoned per Auden via Valery) >> but, for this or that reason remained unsuited for collection. >> A few scribble lines from a notebook or on a lipsticked stained >> cocktail napkin might be stretch to call 'unpublished'. >> Finnegan >> > > The entire review is online here: http://www.powells.com/review/ > 2006_04_06 > > It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number > of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's > poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of > material, but I think it does Bishop no good. > > Mike S > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From letitia.trent Wed Jun 14 08:35:49 2006 From: letitia.trent (L Trent) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:35:49 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] 21stars call for subs Message-ID: http://www.sundress.net/21stars The editors at 21 Stars Review are looking for new and established writers of poetry and prose, with a focus on new writers. We strive to publish work of the highest quality. We have a strong leaning toward work that uses constraints, innovative meter and form, or carefully executed collage/cut-up techniques. Prose with amazing sentences will be preferred over prose with unamazing sentences. Plotless or intricately-plotted very short fiction (ideally under 1000 words) is also something we enjoy. If you have a particular affinity for or interest in John Ashbery, Jorge Luis Borges, Italo Calvino, Emily Dickinson, Annie Finch, Barbara Guest, Amy Hempel, Paul Hoover, Harry Mathews, Flann O'Brien, Frank O'Hara, Georges Perec, Gilbert Sorrentino, Gertrude Stein, Wallace Stevens, Arthur Sze, or Diane Williams, we would especially like to read your work. http://www.sundress.net/21stars Poetry submissions: poetry21stars at gmail dot com Prose submissions: prose21stars at gmail dot com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mandolin Wed Jun 14 09:03:56 2006 From: mandolin (Mike Snider) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:03:56 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar Message-ID: <16488050.1150290236373.JavaMail.mandolin@mac.com> Tad and James-- One problem is that the new book is much more attractively packaged and marketed than Bishop's complete, which is rather dowdy (if not downwright ugly), with an informative but certainly not inviting title. For those of us already more or less familiar with her work (whether wee like it ot not) these aren't issues, but think of new readers looking at the two side by side (if the Complete is even in the store)--there's Edgar Allen Poe and the Jukebox in its bright dustjacket, naming the one poet everybody still learns in high school (or do they? I may be out of date). Which is that newbie going to buy? And having read it, if he or she doesn't like it, it won't be because of the qualities manifest in Bishop's previously published work--the work she chose--and that reader may very well miss out on wonderful poetry. On the other hand, if that reader does like the Jukebox, the Complete is likely to be disappointing. On Wednesday, June 14, 2006, at 04:09AM, TheOldMole wrote: >Well, not much can do Bishop any good at this point. Dead, and all. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Snider" >To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:20 PM >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar > > >> >> On Jun 13, 2006, at 6:21 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: >> >>> I haven't seen the whole Vendler argument against...has others >>> read it? (There is just about a paragraph or two on the New Republic's >>> online site.) Vendler seems to be arguing that the book is engaging >>> in 'false advertising'...that the pieces published in the _Edgar Allan >>> Poe_ >>> collection were never meant to see the light of day. But it would seem >>> that the state of the manuscript copies, evidence from letters, the way >>> the material was organized, etc., should be able to tell a scholar or >>> careful editor something about how Bishop felt about an unpublished >>> piece. >>> And certainly there is precedence for books tracing the successive >>> drafts >>> of famous poems...so I don't know what the gripe would be about that. >>> >>> A poem, obviously a successive draft, organized with other >>> poems in similar state in a binder or folder of some kind, poems >>> sent in a letter to another poet (like M. Moore) for comment, etc., >>> may very well be 'finished' (or abandoned per Auden via Valery) >>> but, for this or that reason remained unsuited for collection. >>> A few scribble lines from a notebook or on a lipsticked stained >>> cocktail napkin might be stretch to call 'unpublished'. >>> Finnegan >>> >> >> The entire review is online here: http://www.powells.com/review/ >> 2006_04_06 >> >> It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number >> of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's >> poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of >> material, but I think it does Bishop no good. >> >> Mike S >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > ----- Sent from webmail, so I'm not at my computer. http://www.mikesnider.org/formalblog for the Sonnetarium From tad Wed Jun 14 11:40:35 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:40:35 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar References: <16488050.1150290236373.JavaMail.mandolin@mac.com> Message-ID: <003001c68fc8$e19e58c0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Mike - this makes a lot of sense, and I understand what you're saying. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Snider" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar > Tad and James-- > > One problem is that the new book is much more attractively packaged and > marketed than Bishop's complete, which is rather dowdy (if not downwright > ugly), with an informative but certainly not inviting title. For those of > us already more or less familiar with her work (whether wee like it ot > not) these aren't issues, but think of new readers looking at the two side > by side (if the Complete is even in the store)--there's Edgar Allen Poe > and the Jukebox in its bright dustjacket, naming the one poet everybody > still learns in high school (or do they? I may be out of date). Which is > that newbie going to buy? And having read it, if he or she doesn't like > it, it won't be because of the qualities manifest in Bishop's previously > published work--the work she chose--and that reader may very well miss out > on wonderful poetry. On the other hand, if that reader does like the > Jukebox, the Complete is likely to be disappointing. > > > On Wednesday, June 14, 2006, at 04:09AM, TheOldMole > wrote: > >>Well, not much can do Bishop any good at this point. Dead, and all. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Michael Snider" >>To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" >> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:20 PM >>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar >> >> >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2006, at 6:21 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> I haven't seen the whole Vendler argument against...has others >>>> read it? (There is just about a paragraph or two on the New >>>> Republic's >>>> online site.) Vendler seems to be arguing that the book is engaging >>>> in 'false advertising'...that the pieces published in the _Edgar Allan >>>> Poe_ >>>> collection were never meant to see the light of day. But it would seem >>>> that the state of the manuscript copies, evidence from letters, the >>>> way >>>> the material was organized, etc., should be able to tell a scholar or >>>> careful editor something about how Bishop felt about an unpublished >>>> piece. >>>> And certainly there is precedence for books tracing the successive >>>> drafts >>>> of famous poems...so I don't know what the gripe would be about that. >>>> >>>> A poem, obviously a successive draft, organized with other >>>> poems in similar state in a binder or folder of some kind, poems >>>> sent in a letter to another poet (like M. Moore) for comment, etc., >>>> may very well be 'finished' (or abandoned per Auden via Valery) >>>> but, for this or that reason remained unsuited for collection. >>>> A few scribble lines from a notebook or on a lipsticked stained >>>> cocktail napkin might be stretch to call 'unpublished'. >>>> Finnegan >>>> >>> >>> The entire review is online here: http://www.powells.com/review/ >>> 2006_04_06 >>> >>> It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number >>> of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's >>> poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of >>> material, but I think it does Bishop no good. >>> >>> Mike S >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>New-Poetry mailing list >>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> > > > ----- > Sent from webmail, so I'm not at my computer. > http://www.mikesnider.org/formalblog for the Sonnetarium > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From grahamd Wed Jun 14 12:15:21 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:15:21 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Poet Laureate Message-ID: Donald Hall. File this one under: it's about time. http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/06/14/ new_hampshire_poet_donald_hall_named_new_poet_laureate/ ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad Wed Jun 14 15:58:29 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:58:29 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] New Poet Laureate References: Message-ID: <001d01c68fec$eddc7620$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Good choice. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] New Poet Laureate Donald Hall. 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URL: From fssam6 Wed Jun 14 17:34:36 2006 From: fssam6 (steve moore) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:34:36 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar In-Reply-To: <200606141600.k5EG05M3005812@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200606141600.k5EG05M3005812@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: "Which is that newbie going to buy? And having read it, if he or she doesn't like it, it won't be because of the qualities manifest in Bishop's previously published work--the work she chose--and that reader may very well miss out on wonderful poetry. On the other hand, if that reader does like the Jukebox, the Complete is likely to be disappointing." It seems to me that if someone is interested enough to actually buy a book of poetry (sarcasm aside, most newbies don't buy works by authors, they buy anthologies), they won't run screaming from the art simply by reading a collection of unfinished work. At some point this fictional reader will come across Bishop again and realize that this was not the only text she produced. Any reader of poetry must eventually turn to the complete collection (however pink and ugly it may be) to have some handle on 20th century American poetry. If they prefer the unfinished to the finished, so much the better. Something for everybody. The way I see it, it's similar to all of the Beatles "recording sessions" albums where they are just messing around. This hasn't kept new fans from coming to the Beatles, only deepened an appreciation for existing fans. On Jun 14, 2006, at 8:00 AM, new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu wrote: > Which is that newbie going to buy? And having read it, if he or she > doesn't like it, it won't be because of the qualities manifest in > Bishop's previously published work--the work she chose--and that > reader may very well miss out on wonderful poetry. 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Plus 'student era poetry' was published with the mature work. (I'm not sure if that material appeared in the prior Complete edition, 1969, appearing a decade before Bishop died.) Anyway, I guess my point is that the Complete itself is not nearly the pure, mature, self-selected Bishop, that Vendler seems to make it out to be. It too has poems Bishop may not have authorized including while she had a say in the matter. According the review in Slate, there was at least one poem Bishop may have held back from publishing due to the overt lesbian nature of the material. But there is no reason now that such a poem shouldn't be more known. I know Frank Bidart was involved in the putting together the posthumous Complete. I wonder if he's expressed any concerns or reservations over this new various and sundry collection? Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry to bother you and I hope you are doing fine, Anny Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry to bother you and I hope you are doing fine, Anny Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini Fri Jun 16 11:22:54 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:22:54 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] new issue of The Drunken Boat Message-ID: <019501c69158$bd3d0440$402ab750@ANNY> The Spring/Summer issue of The Drunken Boat is now online at http://www.thedrunkenboat.com including: An interview with Australian poet, Jill Jones, including her sonnet series "Traverse" and a collaborative project with the photographer Annette Willis "Breath, the hours." A feature of modern Chinese poetry, edited by Inara Cedrins with an introduction by Michael Day, a chapbook of newly translated poems by Xi Chuan and an essay on Xi Chuan's poetry by Maghiel van Crevel, and a chapbook of poems in the manner of Men Jaio by Christopher Kelen, as well as work from : Zhai Yongming Chen Dongdong Yu Jian Duoduo Sun Wenbo Ouyang Jianghe Wang Xiaoni Yin Lichuan Yang Qian Li Sen Li Nan Han Dong Wang Jiaxin In Tibet Woeser Meizhuo Minorities in China Yidam Tsering Baitao Shama Luruo Diji Jimu Langge Chinese poets abroad Bei Dao Ha Jin Xue Di Stephen Shu-Ning Liu Arthur Sze Timothy Liu in Taiwan Chen Kehua Chen Li Hsia Y? Hung Hung in Macao Christopher Kelen Papa Osmubal Yao Feng Jenny Oliveros Lao Agnes Lam Iok Fong Agnes Vong Lai Ieng in Hong Kong P.K. Leung Louise Shew Wan Ho Alan Jefferies Timothy Kaiser in Singapore Felix Cheong Seng Fei Gilbert Koh Yong Shu Hoong Alvin Pang Robert Yeo Eddie Tay Toh Hsien Min Cyril Wong Arthur Yap Translated by Michael Day, Maghiel van Crevel, d dayton, Huichun (Amy) Liang, Steven Schroeder, Yangdon Dhondup, Simon Patton, Alison Mara Friedman, Wang Hao, Andrea Lingenfelter, Tsui-hua Huang, Mike O'Conner, Inara Cedrins, and Christine Tsui-hua Huang. Poems from Greece by Adrianne Kalfopoulou, a chapbook "Anachronistic Night's Dream" by Gail Wronsky with her essay "One Woman's Jonesing for Wonder," Poems by Dzvinia Orlowsky with an introduction, Poems from _The Artist as Alice: >From a Photographer's Life_ with an introduction "On Writing The Artist as Alice: From a Photographer's Life" Best, Rebecca Seiferle www.thedrunkenboat.com tdbeditor at yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd Fri Jun 16 12:07:36 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:07:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <6C17CD5E-499A-4266-B68A-ED9892AF696B@ripon.edu> Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there have been 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The gender breakdown is striking: 36 male, 8 female. Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect things to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them women. (That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") Full list available here: http://www.amyking.org/blog/ Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, I predict. Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini Fri Jun 16 12:39:38 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:39:38 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split References: <6C17CD5E-499A-4266-B68A-ED9892AF696B@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <025601c69163$763f2f40$402ab750@ANNY> well _me then Helen Ruggieri, Suzanne Burns Mill Amy King, yes, the women that are on New Poetry, I am willing to share with some men-poets on the list, no problem. From: David Graham Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:07 PM Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there have been 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The gender breakdown is striking: 36 male, 8 female. Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect things to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them women. (That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") Full list available here: http://www.amyking.org/blog/ Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, I predict. Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") Full list available here: http://www.amyking.org/blog/ Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, I predict. Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A feature of modern Chinese poetry, edited by Inara Cedrins with an introduction by Michael Day, a chapbook of newly translated poems by Xi Chuan and an essay on Xi Chuan's poetry by Maghiel van Crevel, and a chapbook of poems in the manner of Men Jaio by Christopher Kelen, as well as work from : Zhai Yongming Chen Dongdong Yu Jian Duoduo Sun Wenbo Ouyang Jianghe Wang Xiaoni Yin Lichuan Yang Qian Li Sen Li Nan Han Dong Wang Jiaxin In Tibet Woeser Meizhuo Minorities in China Yidam Tsering Baitao Shama Luruo Diji Jimu Langge Chinese poets abroad Bei Dao Ha Jin Xue Di Stephen Shu-Ning Liu Arthur Sze Timothy Liu in Taiwan Chen Kehua Chen Li Hsia Y? Hung Hung in Macao Christopher Kelen Papa Osmubal Yao Feng Jenny Oliveros Lao Agnes Lam Iok Fong Agnes Vong Lai Ieng in Hong Kong P.K. Leung Louise Shew Wan Ho Alan Jefferies Timothy Kaiser in Singapore Felix Cheong Seng Fei Gilbert Koh Yong Shu Hoong Alvin Pang Robert Yeo Eddie Tay Toh Hsien Min Cyril Wong Arthur Yap Translated by Michael Day, Maghiel van Crevel, d dayton, Huichun (Amy) Liang, Steven Schroeder, Yangdon Dhondup, Simon Patton, Alison Mara Friedman, Wang Hao, Andrea Lingenfelter, Tsui-hua Huang, Mike O'Conner, Inara Cedrins, and Christine Tsui-hua Huang. Poems from Greece by Adrianne Kalfopoulou, a chapbook "Anachronistic Night's Dream" by Gail Wronsky with her essay "One Woman's Jonesing for Wonder," Poems by Dzvinia Orlowsky with an introduction, Poems from _The Artist as Alice: From a Photographer's Life_ with an introduction "On Writing The Artist as Alice: From a Photographer's Life" Best, Rebecca Seiferle www.thedrunkenboat.com tdbeditor at yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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The gender breakdown is > striking: 36 male, 8 female. > > Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect things > to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them women. (That counts > Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, > as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") > > Full list available here: > > > http://www.amyking.org/blog/ > > > Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, > I predict. > > > Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? > > > > > > ========================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > *http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html* > > Poetry Library: > > *http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html* > > ========================================== > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A feature of modern Chinese poetry, edited by Inara Cedrins with an introduction by Michael Day, a chapbook of newly translated poems by Xi Chuan and an essay on Xi Chuan's poetry by Maghiel van Crevel, and a chapbook of poems in the manner of Men Jaio by Christopher Kelen, as well as work from : Zhai Yongming Chen Dongdong Yu Jian Duoduo Sun Wenbo Ouyang Jianghe Wang Xiaoni Yin Lichuan Yang Qian Li Sen Li Nan Han Dong Wang Jiaxin In Tibet Woeser Meizhuo Minorities in China Yidam Tsering Baitao Shama Luruo Diji Jimu Langge Chinese poets abroad Bei Dao Ha Jin Xue Di Stephen Shu-Ning Liu Arthur Sze Timothy Liu in Taiwan Chen Kehua Chen Li Hsia Y? Hung Hung in Macao Christopher Kelen Papa Osmubal Yao Feng Jenny Oliveros Lao Agnes Lam Iok Fong Agnes Vong Lai Ieng in Hong Kong P.K. Leung Louise Shew Wan Ho Alan Jefferies Timothy Kaiser in Singapore Felix Cheong Seng Fei Gilbert Koh Yong Shu Hoong Alvin Pang Robert Yeo Eddie Tay Toh Hsien Min Cyril Wong Arthur Yap Translated by Michael Day, Maghiel van Crevel, d dayton, Huichun (Amy) Liang, Steven Schroeder, Yangdon Dhondup, Simon Patton, Alison Mara Friedman, Wang Hao, Andrea Lingenfelter, Tsui-hua Huang, Mike O'Conner, Inara Cedrins, and Christine Tsui-hua Huang. Poems from Greece by Adrianne Kalfopoulou, a chapbook "Anachronistic Night's Dream" by Gail Wronsky with her essay "One Woman's Jonesing for Wonder," Poems by Dzvinia Orlowsky with an introduction, Poems from _The Artist as Alice: From a Photographer's Life_ with an introduction "On Writing The Artist as Alice: From a Photographer's Life" Best, Rebecca Seiferle www.thedrunkenboat.com tdbeditor at yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kumin served in 1981-2, though. My own first choice might be Lucille Clifton, assuming her health permitted. On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:48 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > I'l second Kizer and Kumin. > > Jeff Newberry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Graham > To: NewPoetry & Views > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:07 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split > > > Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there > have been 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The > gender breakdown is striking: 36 male, 8 female. > > > Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect > things to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them > women. (That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in > 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial > Consultants.") > > > Full list available here: > > > http://www.amyking.org/blog/ > > > Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an > excellent PL, I predict. > > > Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? > ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens Fri Jun 16 14:34:37 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split In-Reply-To: <5083C229-C22D-4775-BC2D-319575B1A648@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <20060616183437.79676.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd say if Donald Hall is due, then Lucille Clifton is long and strongly overdue. But politics being what they are ... why would 'they' risk putting her in? David Graham wrote: Good choices. Kumin served in 1981-2, though. My own first choice might be Lucille Clifton, assuming her health permitted. On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:48 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: I'l second Kizer and Kumin. Jeff Newberry ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry & Views Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there have been 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The gender breakdown is striking: 36 male, 8 female. Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect things to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them women. (That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") Full list available here: http://www.amyking.org/blog/ Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, I predict. Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From amyhappens Fri Jun 16 14:56:21 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split In-Reply-To: <388.53dff96.31c45431@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060616185621.17306.qmail@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm sure I'll be corrected if it's not all too obvious, but hasn't Clifton's poetry historically been more politically-inclined than Hall's? Under a regime that cancels a poetry event because of the risk that poets might speak their minds instead of singing pretty verse, why would they pick a poet to be the PL, who would be more apt to say something related to the war? AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/16/2006 2:35:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amyhappens at yahoo.com writes: I'd say if Donald Hall is due, then Lucille Clifton is long and strongly overdue. But politics being what they are ... why would 'they' risk putting her in? What risk would Lucille Clifton pose? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens Fri Jun 16 15:01:01 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I should clarify -- by "politically-inclined" I mean giving voice to the historically disenfranchised of this country (i.e. gender and race). Clifton's poetry deals with racial disparities as well as feminist concerns. amy king wrote: I'm sure I'll be corrected if it's not all too obvious, but hasn't Clifton's poetry historically been more politically-inclined than Hall's? Under a regime that cancels a poetry event because of the risk that poets might speak their minds instead of singing pretty verse, why would they pick a poet to be the PL, who would be more apt to say something related to the war? AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/16/2006 2:35:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amyhappens at yahoo.com writes: I'd say if Donald Hall is due, then Lucille Clifton is long and strongly overdue. But politics being what they are ... why would 'they' risk putting her in? What risk would Lucille Clifton pose? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd Fri Jun 16 15:14:14 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:14:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Stray thoughts on Hall In-Reply-To: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7830722B-7A66-4776-9230-FE09CE73FDC6@ripon.edu> As I've said, I think Clifton would be a wonderful choice for Poet Laureate. It'll be interesting to see what Hall does in the post. Already, I see that a lot of the news coverage on his selection is typically reductive--casting him fairly simply as a poet of rural nostalgia & grief. He's certainly those things, true, but his work is actually amazingly varied in style, theme, formal experiment, tone, and level of political engagement. His recent selected poems covers a remarkable 60 years of writing, and in that time he's done a bit of almost everything. I can't offhand think of another living poet from his generation, with the exception of Hayden Carruth, who's got more tools in his toolbox. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tad Fri Jun 16 15:18:54 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:18:54 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split References: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <017d01c69179$b5c477e0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> These guys won't be in power forever, unless Bush names himself President For Life. ----- Original Message ----- From: amy king To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split I should clarify -- by "politically-inclined" I mean giving voice to the historically disenfranchised of this country (i.e. gender and race). Clifton's poetry deals with racial disparities as well as feminist concerns. amy king wrote: I'm sure I'll be corrected if it's not all too obvious, but hasn't Clifton's poetry historically been more politically-inclined than Hall's? Under a regime that cancels a poetry event because of the risk that poets might speak their minds instead of singing pretty verse, why would they pick a poet to be the PL, who would be more apt to say something related to the war? AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/16/2006 2:35:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amyhappens at yahoo.com writes: I'd say if Donald Hall is due, then Lucille Clifton is long and strongly overdue. But politics being what they are ... why would 'they' risk putting her in? What risk would Lucille Clifton pose? _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mandolin Fri Jun 16 15:27:55 2006 From: mandolin (Michael Snider) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:27:55 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split In-Reply-To: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kooser was (obviously) appointed under Bush and his first public act was a video presentation with John Prine. Kooser asked Prine if there was still a roll for protest-singing, and Prine answered "I think it's a fulltime job." The show ended with Prine singing, at Kooser's request, "Sam Stone," one of the most powerful anti-war songs ever. On Jun 16, 2006, at 15:01 , amy king wrote: > I should clarify -- by "politically-inclined" I mean giving voice > to the historically disenfranchised of this country (i.e. gender > and race). Clifton's poetry deals with racial disparities as well > as feminist concerns. > > amy king wrote: > I'm sure I'll be corrected if it's not all too obvious, but hasn't > Clifton's poetry historically been more politically-inclined than > Hall's? > > Under a regime that cancels a poetry event because of the risk that > poets might speak their minds instead of singing pretty verse, why > would they pick a poet to be the PL, who would be more apt to say > something related to the war? > > > > AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/16/2006 2:35:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > amyhappens at yahoo.com writes: > I'd say if Donald Hall is due, then Lucille Clifton is long and > strongly overdue. But politics being what they are ... why would > 'they' risk putting her in? > What risk would Lucille Clifton pose? > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From grahamd Fri Jun 16 15:33:15 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:33:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split In-Reply-To: References: <20060616190101.90157.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0C1F01EF-BAD0-44B8-83CB-AEB24C65DD58@ripon.edu> Yeah, come to think of it: John Prine for Poet Laureate! And more power to Kooser for featuring him. On Jun 16, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Michael Snider wrote: > Kooser was (obviously) appointed under Bush and his first public > act was a video presentation with John Prine. Kooser asked Prine if > there was still a roll for protest-singing, and Prine answered "I > think it's a fulltime job." The show ended with Prine singing, at > Kooser's request, "Sam Stone," one of the most powerful anti-war > songs ever. > > > ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Fri Jun 16 15:48:13 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:48:13 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <321.55920dc.31c464fd@aol.com> I saw Lucille Clifton read a few yearsa go and was struck by her warmth and willingness to speak her mind about just about anything. I think she'd be a wonderful poet laureate. As would John Prine. I'm not sure how much the president has to say about the poet laureate. In a message dated 6/16/2006 3:31:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: Yeah, come to think of it: John Prine for Poet Laureate! And more power to Kooser for featuring him. On Jun 16, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Michael Snider wrote: Kooser was (obviously) appointed under Bush and his first public act was a video presentation with John Prine. Kooser asked Prine if there was still a roll for protest-singing, and Prine answered "I think it's a fulltime job." The show ended with Prine singing, at Kooser's request, "Sam Stone," one of the most powerful anti-war songs ever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wouldn't be surprised if Ted Kooser's nomination had something to do with Dana Gioia. . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman Fri Jun 16 16:48:51 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:48:51 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split References: <388.53dff96.31c45431@aol.com> <015301c69179$4be02950$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <00bf01c69186$4700fc90$4eb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I'd go for Clifton. Don't know how I forgot her the first time. The Mole What I do is paste the poet pictures on the front page of each issue of APR on my walls. That way I'm constantly reminded of who the very best poets of our time in America are. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Fri Jun 16 16:50:58 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:50:58 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <352.1d2178d.31c473b2@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/2006 4:49:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net writes: What I do is paste the poet pictures on the front page of each issue of APR on my walls. That way I'm constantly reminded of who the very best poets of our time in America are. --Bob G. All those pensive gazes upon you at once? I think they would make me feel bad about sitting around in my underwear eating pretzels and ice cream and watching reruns of Seinfeld and Andy Griffith. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DICK Fri Jun 16 16:55:36 2006 From: DICK (DICK at pkmfgvm4.vnet.ibm.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:55:36 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <200606162100.k5GL09Dm004174@d01av03.pok.ibm.com> ***** Reply to your note of: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:13:38 -0400 ************* It strikes me that we could alleviate two imbalances at once - the Gender Split and the Graham gap, by nominating.... Jorie Graham. Richard From JforJames Fri Jun 16 18:35:40 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:35:40 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Stray thoughts on Hall Message-ID: <4c9.1bc945d.31c48c3c@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/2006 3:12:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: As I've said, I think Clifton would be a wonderful choice for Poet Laureate. It'll be interesting to see what Hall does in the post. Already, I see that a lot of the news coverage on his selection is typically reductive--casting him fairly simply as a poet of rural nostalgia & grief. He's certainly those things, true, but his work is actually amazingly varied in style, theme, formal experiment, tone, and level of political engagement. His recent selected poems covers a remarkable 60 years of writing, and in that time he's done a bit of almost everything. I can't offhand think of another living poet from his generation, with the exception of Hayden Carruth, who's got more tools in his toolbox. David, first off, I have no problem with the Donald Hall as Poet Laureate. It is amazing it has taken so long for him to get a turn. But, it's funny, I like to read Hall's criticism, but his poetry is not the kind of work I'm drawn to. I also think it's telling that despite his connections and "verseitality," shall we say, he's never on the tip of one's tongue when thinks to name the best of our living poets. 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A few years back the Poet Laureate position morphed from a largely ceremonially post into position that called for poetry promotion. I think Pinsky was the first activist P Laureate. Collins followed suit. (Kunitz got a pass because of his age; and all he had to do is smile and he'd win converts to poetry.) Gluck tried to throw a wet blanket over the whole enterprise. Then Kooser came only and began beating the drum again.... When Gluck got the nod, she dug in her high heels. She was the recalcitrant laureate. Announcing that she was pleased to get the honor (and whatever small money goes with the post) but that she planned to do nothing to promote poetry. Declaring, in effect, that her poetry was enough of a gift to poetry and the society of those interested in reading poetry. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tad Fri Jun 16 22:10:03 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:10:03 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split References: <42d.3ffaec0.31c4a794@aol.com> Message-ID: <001a01c691b3$2599ae80$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> If so, that's disgraceful sexism. However, I see nothing wrong with asking a potential laureateship candidate what s/he intends to do with the office. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Could some 'Gluck (umlaut over the u) effect' be playing a part in this most recent neglect of the many deserving female candidates? A few years back the Poet Laureate position morphed from a largely ceremonially post into position that called for poetry promotion. I think Pinsky was the first activist P Laureate. Collins followed suit. (Kunitz got a pass because of his age; and all he had to do is smile and he'd win converts to poetry.) Gluck tried to throw a wet blanket over the whole enterprise. Then Kooser came only and began beating the drum again.... When Gluck got the nod, she dug in her high heels. She was the recalcitrant laureate. Announcing that she was pleased to get the honor (and whatever small money goes with the post) but that she planned to do nothing to promote poetry. Declaring, in effect, that her poetry was enough of a gift to poetry and the society of those interested in reading poetry. Finnegan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm also quite new to this list and enjoying the discussions. Jenny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Sat Jun 17 07:47:33 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:47:33 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <4fa.415a2a.31c545d5@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/2006 11:34:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com writes: Gluck was an unfortunate choice for a public position, for there was nothing public about her poetry. I thing Adrienne Rich or Lucille Clifton would be admirable choices, not to slight Kumin or Kizer (both of whom, I believe, were "poetry consultants." Personally and/or regionally, I recommend Fred Chappell. Fred would be so happy to know he was being included in a discussion of potential women laureates. I think he'd do a fine job though. 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Jeff Newberry On 6/17/06, Jenny Allan wrote: > > Hello > > I've just started a poetry blog at: > > http://intermittent-voices.blogspot.com/ > > not much on it yet... but I hope to keep it fresh. > > I'm also quite new to this list and enjoying the discussions. > > Jenny > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I might have been the anti-huckersterism expressed by people like Richard Howard who a number of years ago tooked "National Poetry Month" to task, as though it was somehow demeaning to the art of poetry to try to promote it a bit...and hopefully sell a few more books along the way. I'd like to believe the efforts of laureates Pinsky, Collins, Kooser, and to the extent of his capacities Kunitz, were about giving back something to the art. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Sat Jun 17 11:20:12 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:20:12 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split Message-ID: <388.55f16a4.31c577ac@aol.com> In a message dated 6/17/2006 9:40:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JforJames at aol.com writes: You mean Fred's a she? Lord, no. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard Sat Jun 17 12:56:16 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:56:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar In-Reply-To: References: <306.6026c8b.31c09483@aol.com> Message-ID: <88CAAC66-87F6-4054-9E01-807CF88D8073@earthlink.net> On Jun 13, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Michael Snider wrote: > > It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a > number of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love > Bishop's poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to > this sort of material, but I think it does Bishop no good. > > Mike S I think it also does no harm, Mike. In museums, I love to see sketches that prepare the way for finished paintings. I also enjoy hearing various versions of musical pieces. There's a marvelous CD that bears an early version of Sibelius's Sym. 5 along with the finished symphony. Hal "Open the mirage that calls you." --Philip Lamantia Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From anny.ballardini Sat Jun 17 13:49:26 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:49:26 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bishop's drafts cause uproar References: <306.6026c8b.31c09483@aol.com> <88CAAC66-87F6-4054-9E01-807CF88D8073@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008c01c69236$606af770$c78e3052@ANNY> don't know about Bishop, but I would like to support what Hal says re.: museums and sketches. In the visual field, sketches are most important. Remember the ones by Leonardo, those circular lines encircling/drawing clouds, folds, men in the battle, running horses, Leonardo's trait, slanting from left to right. Kandinsky's "Point and Line to Plane" comes from attentive studies of sketches, can't say specifically or only by Leonardo, but sketches indeed. From: "Halvard Johnson" Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:56 PM > > On Jun 13, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Michael Snider wrote: >> >> It seems entirely sensible to me; Iv'e looked though the boojk a number >> of times at bookstores and not bought it once--and I love Bishop's >> poetry. Of course particular scholars might need access to this sort of >> material, but I think it does Bishop no good. >> >> Mike S > > I think it also does no harm, Mike. In museums, I love to see sketches > that prepare the way > for finished paintings. I also enjoy hearing various versions of musical > pieces. There's > a marvelous CD that bears an early version of Sibelius's Sym. 5 along > with the finished > symphony. > > Hal > > "Open the mirage that calls you." > --Philip Lamantia > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at gmail.com > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org From grahamd Sat Jun 17 16:17:19 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:17:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] More thoughts on Hall In-Reply-To: <4c9.1bc945d.31c48c3c@aol.com> References: <4c9.1bc945d.31c48c3c@aol.com> Message-ID: On Jun 16, 2006, at 5:35 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > David, first off, I have no problem with the Donald Hall as Poet > Laureate. It is amazing it has taken so long for him to get a turn. > But, it's funny, I like to read Hall's criticism, but his poetry > is not the kind of work I'm drawn to. I also think it's telling that > despite his connections and "verseitality," shall we say, > he's never on the tip of one's tongue when thinks to name > the best of our living poets. (Opinion, anecdotal, for sure) > > But what poems (or poem) strike(s) you as 'signature > and defining', a worthy anthology piece, through and through? > Finnegan It's true that Hall's reputation as poet has often been overshadowed by his reputation as a literary journalist, editor, and performer. He's one of the best readers-aloud I've ever heard--one thing that will serve him well as poet laureate. I hope he gets himself on NPR and PBS a lot. I also have found his criticism very nourishing and inspiring. He's a wonderful close reader as well as provocateur and literary historian. Among his many virtues as a critic, he's been very willing to admit mistakes, revise opinions, and take stabs at sacred cows. Near the ends of their distinguished careers, both Robert Lowell and Robert Penn Warren were mercilessly skewered by Hall for slack and pompous writing--this at a time when few critics dared to say anything negative; when both elders were mostly basking in adulation and picking up awards. Meanwhile, Hall often attempted to stir up the reputations of poets who had not been given their due, such as Robert Francis and Thomas McGrath. Also, during those years when his best friend Robert Bly was throwing out many babies with the bathwater, Hall went right on praising the poetry of E. A. Robinson, Andrew Marvell, and Geoffrey Hill alongside Russell Edson, Whitman, and Lorca. I also am more than a little in awe of Hall's versatility. I recall that one of the many literature anthologies he edited carried a blurb noting that he's the only major anthologist to have published original work in all the genres he edits. I'm not sure I've seen a novel by Hall, but everything else, yes: poetry, literary criticism, drama, short stories, personal essays, memoirs, biography, journalism, children's lit, pedagogy, sportswriting, etc. The poetry, as I noted earlier, is very difficult to categorize. In his 60-plus year career, he's been an academic formalist, a deep image surrealist, a Freudian confessionalist, a folksy narrative poet, a satirist, a Christian devotionalist, and a modernist epic poet. He has published sprawling Whitmanic stuff and Swiftian epigrams and everything in between. I imagine that one reason his purely poetic reputation has suffered a bit as compared to some peers has been that he's been such a chameleon. It could be said, too, that his broad range brings with it a certain amount of unevenness of quality, as one might expect. Personally, I think Hall's got more than his share of fine poems in nearly every mode. In his formalist mode, poems like "My Son My Executioner" and "Christmas Eve at Whitneyville" stand out. During his imagist moments he has written quite a lot of good ones. Some favorites of mine would include "The Town of Hill," "The Man in the Dead Machine," "The Wreckage," and "The Long River." In contrast, I'm not too fond of his more surreal efforts during his "Alligator Bride" period; and a good friend of mine says that the one thing he can't stand is when Hall tries to be funny. ("O Cheese," etc.) And I'm sorry to say that many--not all--of his Jane Kenyon elegies have struck me as sentimental and slackly crafted, alas. Many readers feel he really came into his own in the 1970s with the long-lined, nostaligic, exuberantly pell-mell poems of *Kicking the Leaves*, particularly the title poem of that book. He's mined that vein a lot in the past 30 years, of course. I like them, too, but even better, in my view, are some of his dramatic monologues, such as "Merle Bascom's .22." Those who haven't read his fascinating book-length poem *The One Day* will find that it constitutes a good argument against the reductive view of Hall as a rural nostalgist and sentimental lyricist. Tip of the iceberg here, really. . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He didn't think much of it, of course. I don't recall the details, but I'm pretty sure he got into an assemblage of Richard Kostelanetz's that was devoted to visual poetry. An assemblage (in the case) is a publication compiled from pages sent in by contributors. Could be poetry, essays, whatever. An editor gets 100 copies of each contributor's work, say, then makes a hundred copies of the publication. Representation in the publication is automatic if you send in the required copies. Contributors get paid with a copy. The mainstream ignores the publication. That Hall was involved in such a thing--after he was fairly well known--is a big point in his favor. --Bob G. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] More thoughts on Hall On Jun 16, 2006, at 5:35 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: David, first off, I have no problem with the Donald Hall as Poet Laureate. It is amazing it has taken so long for him to get a turn. But, it's funny, I like to read Hall's criticism, but his poetry is not the kind of work I'm drawn to. I also think it's telling that despite his connections and "verseitality," shall we say, he's never on the tip of one's tongue when thinks to name the best of our living poets. (Opinion, anecdotal, for sure) But what poems (or poem) strike(s) you as 'signature and defining', a worthy anthology piece, through and through? Finnegan It's true that Hall's reputation as poet has often been overshadowed by his reputation as a literary journalist, editor, and performer. He's one of the best readers-aloud I've ever heard--one thing that will serve him well as poet laureate. I hope he gets himself on NPR and PBS a lot. I also have found his criticism very nourishing and inspiring. He's a wonderful close reader as well as provocateur and literary historian. Among his many virtues as a critic, he's been very willing to admit mistakes, revise opinions, and take stabs at sacred cows. Near the ends of their distinguished careers, both Robert Lowell and Robert Penn Warren were mercilessly skewered by Hall for slack and pompous writing--this at a time when few critics dared to say anything negative; when both elders were mostly basking in adulation and picking up awards. Meanwhile, Hall often attempted to stir up the reputations of poets who had not been given their due, such as Robert Francis and Thomas McGrath. Also, during those years when his best friend Robert Bly was throwing out many babies with the bathwater, Hall went right on praising the poetry of E. A. Robinson, Andrew Marvell, and Geoffrey Hill alongside Russell Edson, Whitman, and Lorca. I also am more than a little in awe of Hall's versatility. I recall that one of the many literature anthologies he edited carried a blurb noting that he's the only major anthologist to have published original work in all the genres he edits. I'm not sure I've seen a novel by Hall, but everything else, yes: poetry, literary criticism, drama, short stories, personal essays, memoirs, biography, journalism, children's lit, pedagogy, sportswriting, etc. The poetry, as I noted earlier, is very difficult to categorize. In his 60-plus year career, he's been an academic formalist, a deep image surrealist, a Freudian confessionalist, a folksy narrative poet, a satirist, a Christian devotionalist, and a modernist epic poet. He has published sprawling Whitmanic stuff and Swiftian epigrams and everything in between. I imagine that one reason his purely poetic reputation has suffered a bit as compared to some peers has been that he's been such a chameleon. It could be said, too, that his broad range brings with it a certain amount of unevenness of quality, as one might expect. Personally, I think Hall's got more than his share of fine poems in nearly every mode. In his formalist mode, poems like "My Son My Executioner" and "Christmas Eve at Whitneyville" stand out. During his imagist moments he has written quite a lot of good ones. Some favorites of mine would include "The Town of Hill," "The Man in the Dead Machine," "The Wreckage," and "The Long River." In contrast, I'm not too fond of his more surreal efforts during his "Alligator Bride" period; and a good friend of mine says that the one thing he can't stand is when Hall tries to be funny. ("O Cheese," etc.) And I'm sorry to say that many--not all--of his Jane Kenyon elegies have struck me as sentimental and slackly crafted, alas. Many readers feel he really came into his own in the 1970s with the long-lined, nostaligic, exuberantly pell-mell poems of *Kicking the Leaves*, particularly the title poem of that book. He's mined that vein a lot in the past 30 years, of course. I like them, too, but even better, in my view, are some of his dramatic monologues, such as "Merle Bascom's .22." Those who haven't read his fascinating book-length poem *The One Day* will find that it constitutes a good argument against the reductive view of Hall as a rural nostalgist and sentimental lyricist. Tip of the iceberg here, really. . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd Sat Jun 17 17:45:22 2006 From: grahamd (David Graham) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:45:22 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Signature Hall poem Message-ID: <156AE5A5-6C80-477C-96D0-3CB58F1B7B5E@RIPON.EDU> Jim Finnegan asked for a signature Hall poem, a real anthology piece. As noted, it's difficult to choose and impossible to single out a single mode, but this poem is high on my own list. It's pretty well known, I expect. Ox Cart Man In October of the year, he counts potatoes dug from the brown field, counting the seed, counting the cellar?s portion out, and bags the rest on the cart?s floor. He packs wool sheared in April, honey in combs, linen, leather tanned from deerhide, and vinegar in a barrel hooped by hand at the forge?s fire. He walks by his ox?s head, ten days to Portsmouth Market, and sells potatoes, and the bag that carried potatoes, flaxseed, birch brooms, maple sugar, goose feathers, yarn. When the cart is empty he sells the cart. When the cart is sold he sells the ox, harness and yoke, and walks home, his pockets heavy with the year?s coin for salt and taxes, and at home by fire?s light in November cold stitches new harness for next year?s ox in the barn, and carves the yoke, and saws planks building the cart again. --Donald Hall. Old and New Poems. 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URL: From tad Sat Jun 17 18:56:23 2006 From: tad (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:56:23 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] More thoughts on Hall References: <4c9.1bc945d.31c48c3c@aol.com> Message-ID: <003b01c69261$41da0cd0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Two pieces of mine on Hall. http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/DHallGW.html http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/hall.html ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] More thoughts on Hall On Jun 16, 2006, at 5:35 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: David, first off, I have no problem with the Donald Hall as Poet Laureate. It is amazing it has taken so long for him to get a turn. But, it's funny, I like to read Hall's criticism, but his poetry is not the kind of work I'm drawn to. I also think it's telling that despite his connections and "verseitality," shall we say, he's never on the tip of one's tongue when thinks to name the best of our living poets. (Opinion, anecdotal, for sure) But what poems (or poem) strike(s) you as 'signature and defining', a worthy anthology piece, through and through? Finnegan It's true that Hall's reputation as poet has often been overshadowed by his reputation as a literary journalist, editor, and performer. He's one of the best readers-aloud I've ever heard--one thing that will serve him well as poet laureate. I hope he gets himself on NPR and PBS a lot. I also have found his criticism very nourishing and inspiring. He's a wonderful close reader as well as provocateur and literary historian. Among his many virtues as a critic, he's been very willing to admit mistakes, revise opinions, and take stabs at sacred cows. Near the ends of their distinguished careers, both Robert Lowell and Robert Penn Warren were mercilessly skewered by Hall for slack and pompous writing--this at a time when few critics dared to say anything negative; when both elders were mostly basking in adulation and picking up awards. Meanwhile, Hall often attempted to stir up the reputations of poets who had not been given their due, such as Robert Francis and Thomas McGrath. Also, during those years when his best friend Robert Bly was throwing out many babies with the bathwater, Hall went right on praising the poetry of E. A. Robinson, Andrew Marvell, and Geoffrey Hill alongside Russell Edson, Whitman, and Lorca. I also am more than a little in awe of Hall's versatility. I recall that one of the many literature anthologies he edited carried a blurb noting that he's the only major anthologist to have published original work in all the genres he edits. I'm not sure I've seen a novel by Hall, but everything else, yes: poetry, literary criticism, drama, short stories, personal essays, memoirs, biography, journalism, children's lit, pedagogy, sportswriting, etc. The poetry, as I noted earlier, is very difficult to categorize. In his 60-plus year career, he's been an academic formalist, a deep image surrealist, a Freudian confessionalist, a folksy narrative poet, a satirist, a Christian devotionalist, and a modernist epic poet. He has published sprawling Whitmanic stuff and Swiftian epigrams and everything in between. I imagine that one reason his purely poetic reputation has suffered a bit as compared to some peers has been that he's been such a chameleon. It could be said, too, that his broad range brings with it a certain amount of unevenness of quality, as one might expect. Personally, I think Hall's got more than his share of fine poems in nearly every mode. In his formalist mode, poems like "My Son My Executioner" and "Christmas Eve at Whitneyville" stand out. During his imagist moments he has written quite a lot of good ones. Some favorites of mine would include "The Town of Hill," "The Man in the Dead Machine," "The Wreckage," and "The Long River." In contrast, I'm not too fond of his more surreal efforts during his "Alligator Bride" period; and a good friend of mine says that the one thing he can't stand is when Hall tries to be funny. ("O Cheese," etc.) And I'm sorry to say that many--not all--of his Jane Kenyon elegies have struck me as sentimental and slackly crafted, alas. Many readers feel he really came into his own in the 1970s with the long-lined, nostaligic, exuberantly pell-mell poems of *Kicking the Leaves*, particularly the title poem of that book. He's mined that vein a lot in the past 30 years, of course. I like them, too, but even better, in my view, are some of his dramatic monologues, such as "Merle Bascom's .22." Those who haven't read his fascinating book-length poem *The One Day* will find that it constitutes a good argument against the reductive view of Hall as a rural nostalgist and sentimental lyricist. Tip of the iceberg here, really. . . . ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(buy now) March 8 Every so often my father comes over for a visit he hangs his overcoat and hat on my hat rack I brief him on recent developments and serve us coffee he is surprised that I like to cook once when he made an omelette he flipped it in the air much to my delight and it landed on the floor yes that was the summer of 1952, he remembered the high breakers and how fearless I was running into the ocean anyway the important thing is to see you doing so well he said and took his coat and hat and left before I remembered he was dead -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(buy now) March 8 Every so often my father comes over for a visit he hangs his overcoat and hat on my hat rack I brief him on recent developments and serve us coffee he is surprised that I like to cook once when he made an omelette he flipped it in the air much to my delight and it landed on the floor yes that was the summer of 1952, he remembered the high breakers and how fearless I was running into the ocean anyway the important thing is to see you doing so well he said and took his coat and hat and left before I remembered he was dead ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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From hruggier Sun Jun 18 10:13:56 2006 From: hruggier (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:13:56 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split References: <6C17CD5E-499A-4266-B68A-ED9892AF696B@ripon.edu> <025601c69163$763f2f40$402ab750@ANNY> Message-ID: <00ed01c692e1$70679010$a7099942@Helen> Anny, what would your platform be when appointed? h ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Poet Laureate Gender Split well _me then Helen Ruggieri, Suzanne Burns Mill Amy King, yes, the women that are on New Poetry, I am willing to share with some men-poets on the list, no problem. From: David Graham Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:07 PM Interesting statistic came up on another list. Since 1937 there have been 44 poets laureate / consultants who have served. The gender breakdown is striking: 36 male, 8 female. Even if you look, say, at the past 20 years, when one would expect things to be evolving, the split remains: 18 poets, 6 of them women. (That counts Dove & Gluck twice, actually, since in 1999-2000 they served, with Merwin, as "Special Bicentennial Consultants.") Full list available here: http://www.amyking.org/blog/ Nonetheless, I applaud Donald Hall's selection. He'll be an excellent PL, I predict. Which women poets would YOU propose should follow Hall? ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mandolin Sun Jun 18 11:42:58 2006 From: mandolin (Michael Snider) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:42:58 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hall's politics Message-ID: <70D1832E-02A8-4D62-B1E9-D420E026B5D1@mac.com> From a New Yourk Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/ books/14poet.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1150645156- Qn8t0bSli2RT54Odu2uKSw): "The head of the Library of Congress is to name Donald Hall, a writer whose deceptively simple language builds on images of the New England landscape, as the nation's 14th poet laureate today. Mr. Hall, a poet in the distinctive American tradition of Robert Frost, has also been a harsh critic of the religious right's influence on government arts policy. And as a member of the advisory council of the National Endowment for the Arts during the administration of George H. W. Bush, he referred to those he thought were interfering with arts grants as 'bullies and art bashers.'" So it doesn't appear politics is a bar. From JforJames Sun Jun 18 20:05:11 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:05:11 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Signature Hall poem Message-ID: <424.3edbbd9.31c74437@aol.com> David, Of course this poem has great nouns and a strong visual quality to recommend it. But what it needs most is to rise to the level of 'parable'...and by parable, I don't mean something that tells us what we expect to hear, but that quirky turn of events that seems absurd, strange, leading to an unexpected outcome. This poem ends on the expected note of the great circle of days...we begin where we started, etc... Finnegan In a message dated 6/17/2006 5:43:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: Ox Cart Man In October of the year, he counts potatoes dug from the brown field, counting the seed, counting the cellar?s portion out, and bags the rest on the cart?s floor. He packs wool sheared in April, honey in combs, linen, leather tanned from deerhide, and vinegar in a barrel hooped by hand at the forge?s fire. He walks by his ox?s head, ten days to Portsmouth Market, and sells potatoes, and the bag that carried potatoes, flaxseed, birch brooms, maple sugar, goose feathers, yarn. When the cart is empty he sells the cart. When the cart is sold he sells the ox, harness and yoke, and walks home, his pockets heavy with the year?s coin for salt and taxes, and at home by fire?s light in November cold stitches new harness for next year?s ox in the barn, and carves the yoke, and saws planks building the cart again. --Donald Hall. Old and New Poems. Houghton Mifflin, 1990 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsillima Mon Jun 19 08:50:32 2006 From: rsillima (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060619125032.43967.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS >From the old discourse to the new A bibliography from Proprioception by Charles Olson Blindness for profit Theory of Society by Charles Olson Word writing instead of idea writing (Olson and Logography) Lisa Robertson The Men Copyright on MySpace why your work may belong to Rupert Murdoch What is bad poetry, Robert Pinsky? My Spaceship an anthology for out-of-this-world cats Against professionalism: Going to poetry for knowledge of the world Olson and Althusser ideology and the soul Proprioception as dialectics Proprioception Charles Olson???s other major manifesto On 750,000 weblog visitors A shout out to Zoe Strauss, Sylvia Legris, Catherine Wagner, and Robin Kemp The sexual politics of Projective Verse reading DuPlessis reading Olson Charles Olson, Objectivism & T.S. Eliot http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From cc Mon Jun 19 10:51:25 2006 From: cc (Cris) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:51:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson In-Reply-To: <200606121600.k5CG04M5004513@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200606121600.k5CG04M5004513@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES%20OLSON %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness in the street, and kids gone and the night coming to end the day (which has piled itself up in shallows, and some accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises anew life's endlessness, life itself's Beauty which all forever so long as there is a human race like flowers and, I suppose, other animals--they too must know something of what it is to love, to be alive, to have life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness we arrive in pursuit of --when in such as this hour falling suddenly the air suddenly the voices of each child now distinct, the light itself, as the air, suddenly separating--disassociation of day, wit approaching--love approaching because Night accompanies Heaven coming to love Earth, the ambush they the Sons the usurpers turned on their Father, in the dark knowing his habit, to come, with Night, to make Love to their Mother--& they harmed him, Heaven went away that night, Night stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' action--these losses regained each day when time brings the shortness of Day to an end (Night's daughter leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, again, fall in his Desire onto Earth. Except for this interference of ourselves, children of this long & Eternal sequence of Love & Desire, of our own lives' scandal in the Story as those Sons ruined their Father and gained Earth or Their Right, and divided us--as we too divide the air of Heaven the mode of Love-making which penetrates Earth as if now it, earth, the ball also solely it is as the sun also is, and the moon solely planets--stars, three in all the heavens' million milliions which we can see, at night--all nothing but what is, equally--all physica if now Earth again has, in her will turned to shift her axis and, already in a 10,000 year readjustment of her magnetic field, we'll-- or so Bruce Heezen speculates that then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double Platonic month--two, as there's been two since Indo-European man came from the Caucasus onto the Plains--a like Time--he brought these versions of the animate nature of Creation, of ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll lose because the sun's Gamma--Edda gone to Gamma-- will pour through the enveloping Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us not the stars, not the Universe, solely this extended skin of our own composite body--miracle of form will break--broken into, spoiled in nature and by Universe, dogged down by rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and Love as at this hour, each day, in our mercy of being your Child in the Paternity of only Aether, love us and keep us in Your Receptacle of Which You Are The Source--and Night the Sweetness of the Intercourse of which We Are the Separable, & tentative Eternal creatures, Men, and Women, simulacrum of the Story, semblable of You --of which Life is not solely Ours not Everywhere not all here on Earth & in these troubled stories of our Selves, of our Parents and their repeated occurrence Each Turn of Earth Before Our Own Eyes Each Day She Turns Her Back on Sun, And Night brings Heaven to Her to Begin Again, Love And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of This One System Flying Loose in the melee of the Universe And the Perfect Bowl of the Sky of Gloucester in which these Events May be Seen Each Evening Hour Each Day before Night comes to cover Heaven's approach, to make Love to Earth And bear Us as our Ancestors were So Borne -- Charles Olson From david.bircumshaw Tue Jun 20 07:22:46 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:22:46 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson References: <200606121600.k5CG04M5004513@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <000701c6945b$dcaf2b40$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> I'll do this as one verse then: FLAUNT It was Sunday afternoon and we were a bit pissed and on the kerb-side she saw, and I saw stricken a pigeon lying on the road. Pick pick pick her up she said and so unwilling and willing (because she said) I did which fluttered which panicked which it's scared I said trembled in my hands which we took back in a cardboard box and gave bread & water & bird-seed and put her (we decided it was a she and talked about what was to be her name and I said "Forlorn" which Vicky misheard as "Flaunt") and a man from Animal Rights came round to strangle her but we wouldn't tell him where Flaunt was and in the morning no feathers no blood no Flaunt anymore had flown. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cris" To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read > it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, > another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC > Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove > from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through > Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, > through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the > journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day > in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very > interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES%20OLSON > %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf > ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire > and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book > length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case > you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: > > The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness > in the street, and kids gone and the night > coming to end the day (which has piled itself up > in shallows, and some > accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises > anew life's endlessness, life itself's > Beauty which all forever so long as there is > a human race like flowers and, I suppose, > other animals--they too must know something > of what it is to love, to be alive, to have > life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, > great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much > more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness > we arrive in pursuit of > --when in such as this > hour falling suddenly the air suddenly > the voices of each child now > distinct, the > light itself, as the air, suddenly > separating--disassociation of day, wit > approaching--love approaching because > Night accompanies > Heaven coming > to love Earth, the ambush > they the Sons the usurpers > turned on their > Father, in the dark knowing > his habit, to come, > with Night, to make Love to > their Mother--& they harmed him, > Heaven went away that night, Night > stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' > action--these losses > regained each day when > > time brings > the shortness of > Day to an end (Night's daughter > leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, > again, fall in his Desire onto > Earth. Except for this interference > of ourselves, children of this > long & Eternal sequence of > Love & Desire, of our own lives' > scandal in > the Story > as those Sons ruined > their Father and gained Earth or > Their Right, and divided > us--as we too divide the > air of Heaven the mode of > Love-making which penetrates Earth as > if now it, earth, the > ball also solely it is > as the sun also is, and the moon solely > planets--stars, three in > all the heavens' million milliions > which we can see, at night--all nothing > but what is, equally--all physica > if now Earth again has, in her will turned > to shift her axis and, > already in a > 10,000 year readjustment of > her magnetic field, we'll-- > or so Bruce Heezen speculates that > then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double > Platonic month--two, as > > there's been two since > Indo-European man came > from the Caucasus onto > the Plains--a > like Time--he brought > these versions of the animate > nature of Creation, of > ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll > lose because the sun's > Gamma--Edda gone to > Gamma-- > will pour through the enveloping > Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us > not the stars, not the Universe, solely > this extended skin of our own > composite body--miracle of > form will > break--broken into, spoiled in > nature and by Universe, dogged down by > rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and > Love as > at this hour, each day, in our mercy > of being your Child > in the Paternity of only > Aether, love us and > keep us in Your > Receptacle of > Which You Are The > Source--and Night the > Sweetness of the > Intercourse of which > We Are the Separable, > & tentative Eternal creatures, > Men, > and Women, simulacrum of the > > Story, semblable of > You > --of which Life is not > solely Ours not > Everywhere > not all > here on Earth > & in these > troubled > stories > of our Selves, of our > Parents and their repeated > occurrence > Each Turn of Earth > Before Our Own Eyes > Each Day She > Turns Her Back on > Sun, And Night > brings Heaven > to Her to > Begin Again, Love > And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of > This One System Flying > Loose in the melee of the > Universe > And the Perfect Bowl > of the Sky of Gloucester > in which these Events > May be Seen > Each Evening Hour > Each Day before > Night comes > to cover Heaven's > approach, to make Love to > > Earth > And bear Us > as our Ancestors were > So Borne > > -- Charles Olson > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From david.bircumshaw Tue Jun 20 10:56:59 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:56:59 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson References: <200606121600.k5CG04M5004513@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <001501c69479$c93c1730$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality of its language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite deliberately put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know Olson's wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to take the piss out of that gesture at form. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cris" To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read > it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, > another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC > Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove > from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through > Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, > through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the > journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day > in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very > interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES%20OLSON > %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf > ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire > and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book > length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case > you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: > > The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness > in the street, and kids gone and the night > coming to end the day (which has piled itself up > in shallows, and some > accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises > anew life's endlessness, life itself's > Beauty which all forever so long as there is > a human race like flowers and, I suppose, > other animals--they too must know something > of what it is to love, to be alive, to have > life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, > great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much > more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness > we arrive in pursuit of > --when in such as this > hour falling suddenly the air suddenly > the voices of each child now > distinct, the > light itself, as the air, suddenly > separating--disassociation of day, wit > approaching--love approaching because > Night accompanies > Heaven coming > to love Earth, the ambush > they the Sons the usurpers > turned on their > Father, in the dark knowing > his habit, to come, > with Night, to make Love to > their Mother--& they harmed him, > Heaven went away that night, Night > stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' > action--these losses > regained each day when > > time brings > the shortness of > Day to an end (Night's daughter > leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, > again, fall in his Desire onto > Earth. Except for this interference > of ourselves, children of this > long & Eternal sequence of > Love & Desire, of our own lives' > scandal in > the Story > as those Sons ruined > their Father and gained Earth or > Their Right, and divided > us--as we too divide the > air of Heaven the mode of > Love-making which penetrates Earth as > if now it, earth, the > ball also solely it is > as the sun also is, and the moon solely > planets--stars, three in > all the heavens' million milliions > which we can see, at night--all nothing > but what is, equally--all physica > if now Earth again has, in her will turned > to shift her axis and, > already in a > 10,000 year readjustment of > her magnetic field, we'll-- > or so Bruce Heezen speculates that > then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double > Platonic month--two, as > > there's been two since > Indo-European man came > from the Caucasus onto > the Plains--a > like Time--he brought > these versions of the animate > nature of Creation, of > ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll > lose because the sun's > Gamma--Edda gone to > Gamma-- > will pour through the enveloping > Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us > not the stars, not the Universe, solely > this extended skin of our own > composite body--miracle of > form will > break--broken into, spoiled in > nature and by Universe, dogged down by > rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and > Love as > at this hour, each day, in our mercy > of being your Child > in the Paternity of only > Aether, love us and > keep us in Your > Receptacle of > Which You Are The > Source--and Night the > Sweetness of the > Intercourse of which > We Are the Separable, > & tentative Eternal creatures, > Men, > and Women, simulacrum of the > > Story, semblable of > You > --of which Life is not > solely Ours not > Everywhere > not all > here on Earth > & in these > troubled > stories > of our Selves, of our > Parents and their repeated > occurrence > Each Turn of Earth > Before Our Own Eyes > Each Day She > Turns Her Back on > Sun, And Night > brings Heaven > to Her to > Begin Again, Love > And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of > This One System Flying > Loose in the melee of the > Universe > And the Perfect Bowl > of the Sky of Gloucester > in which these Events > May be Seen > Each Evening Hour > Each Day before > Night comes > to cover Heaven's > approach, to make Love to > > Earth > And bear Us > as our Ancestors were > So Borne > > -- Charles Olson > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From jeff.newberry Tue Jun 20 12:06:05 2006 From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:06:05 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online In-Reply-To: <00c101c693b0$38c37aa0$b934010a@Tusa> References: <00c101c693b0$38c37aa0$b934010a@Tusa> Message-ID: <731bb17a0606200906r227bb16ag589e516a0fd626c2@mail.gmail.com> The Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast is now online. Thanks to everyone for making this such a wonderful issue. We are now accepting submissions for our Fall 2006 Issue. All the best, Chris ______________________ Chris Tusa Department of English Louisiana State University Editor, Poetry Southeast http://christusa.net cmtusa at lsu.edu Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the best, Chris ______________________ Chris Tusa Department of English Louisiana State University Editor, Poetry Southeast http://christusa.net cmtusa at lsu.edu -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LauraHeidy Tue Jun 20 12:37:10 2006 From: LauraHeidy (LauraHeidy at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:37:10 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online Message-ID: <50f.a6e286.31c97e36@aol.com> Darn....it IS a wonderful issue. :) Why am I always so happy (and yea verily even amazed) to find a poetry magazine, ezine or otherwise, which contains some rock solid GOOD poetry? I love the Lux poem "Firestarter" and I loved the Jeff Newberry "Croaker Sack Communion" poem as well. Nice work, Jeff. Lo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Tue Jun 20 13:20:59 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:20:59 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Greacen's poetry Message-ID: <229.c4eeeb0.31c9887b@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/2006 8:37:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jessie at salmonpoetry.com writes: Hello Everyone, Robert Greacen's poetry has been a crucial part of Northern Irish literature and culture for over 50 years. We are honoured to present his New & Selected Poems; published this month. http://salmonpoetry.com/greacen.html An excellent, in-depth, interview with Robert can be found in In the Chair: Conversations with Poets from the North of Ireland http://salmonpoetry.com/inthechair.html Poem of the Week subscribers receive a 30% on all books. Many Good Wishes, Jessie ______________________________________________________________________________ ______ At Brendan Behan's Desk by Robert Greacen >From ROBERT GREACEN New & Selected Poems Edited by Jack W. Weaver (Salmon Poetry, 2006) Please click on http://salmonpoetry.com/greacen.html to purchase at 30% discount. Become a Friend of Salmon http://www.salmonpoetry.com/friend.html ______________________________________________________________________________ ______ At Brendan Behan's Desk Full seven years I've sat And scribbled at this desk: Cards, letters, poems, autosnaps, Diary entries, shopping lists, While Beatrice down below hoarded Memories of Brendan in a clutter Of paintings, posters, photos, With, for company, two dogs. To Brendan's ghost I must confess My orderly grey days. At moments I'd like to be out Emptying glasses in the pubs Of Dublin town, blarneying To actors, poets, drunks, Then taxi-ing back to Cuig* Not earlier than three a.m., Rousing the solid citizens, Telling an uncaring world How 'that old triangle Went jingle-jangle Along the banks of the Royal Canal.' Instead, I sit at Brendan's desk, Reading, scribbling, drinking coffee- A Protestant without a horse copyright Robert Grecen ______________________________________________________________________________ _____ About the poet ______________________________________________________________________________ ______ Robert Greacen was born of Scots and Irish stock in Derry/ Londonderry on 24th October 1920 and lived in both urban Belfast and rural Monaghan. Experiences in city and county furnished materials for later poems and reviews. At Methodist College, Belfast, he discovered his gift for writing and developed an interest in leftist politics. Later, at Trinity College Dublin, he pursued a diploma in Social Studies and found friends in artistic circles. He has had an outstanding career, with poems published in Ireland, England, Scotland, France, and the United States, and several volumes in Ireland. Now resident in Dublin, he was honoured by his peers on his seventieth birthday, 1990, with a commemorative volume of poems. In 1995, he was awarded the Irish Times Poetry Prize for his Collected Poems. He continues to write and to be honoured for his achievements. ______________________________________________________________________________ _______ About the Book ______________________________________________________________________________ _______ " I have included poems which represent the several personae the poet uses - the schoolboy from the province of Ulster, the lyrical poet of personal experience, the biographer of the experiences of others, and the inventor of Captain Fox and his son 'Comrade Ted', Fox's friend Kinsky, and Michael the farmer in County Down. With use of his own lovers, relatives, and friends as poetic subjects, Greacen alternates between an air of detachment and one of involvement. As the reader quickly discovers, the 'air' is merely an authorial stance. Whether speaking in his own voice or through those invented, his view of life emerges, as does that of Yeats and Robert Browning in their monologues. For non-European readers (ignorant Americans, like myself), I have added a few notes to shed light on details, which may mean more to the poet than his readers. I trust that they and the poems in Selected & New Poems will help us to find the cat in the dark room, even with a few scratches." Jack W. Weaver Emeritus Professor of English Winthrop University Rock Hill, South Carolina ____ _________________________________________________________________________________ Buy the book ______________________________________________________________________________ _______ Click on this link http://salmonpoetry.com/greacen.html to purchase Retail Price: ?15.00 (euro). Discount Price: ?10.50(euro), plus shipping For conversion to other currency: http://www.xe.com/ucc/ Visit our Online Bookshop today to view all Salmon Poetry titles, some at 50% discount: http://www.salmonpoetry.com/bookshop.html ___________________________________________________________________________ subscribe/unsubscribe: If you wish to unsubscribe from this service, please send an email to mailto:webmaster at salmonpoetry.com, with "Poem Of The Week Unsubscribe" in the subject line. -- Jessie Lendennie Managing Director Salmon Poetry Ltd. Knockeven Cliffs of Moher Co. Clare Ireland http://salmonpoetry.com http://jessielendennie.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's no wonder, then, that the recent publication of Bishop's hitherto uncollected poems, drafts, and fragments in Edgar Allan Poe & the Juke-Box, edited by Alice Quinn, encountered fierce resistance, and some debate about the value of making this work available to the public. In an outraged piece for The New Republic, Helen Vendler labeled the drafts "maimed and stunted" and rebuked Farrar, Straus and Giroux for choosing to publish the volume. But the posthumous publication of drafts is hardly an uncommon practice. What exactly is it about publishing her drafts that seems so troubling to so many? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I love the Lux poem "Firestarter" and I loved the Jeff Newberry "Croaker Sack Communion" poem as well. Nice work, Jeff. Lo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry Tue Jun 20 20:22:37 2006 From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:22:37 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online In-Reply-To: <009601c694c7$cdba28d0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <50f.a6e286.31c97e36@aol.com> <009601c694c7$cdba28d0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <731bb17a0606201722i1ab8ce07w6b82a5dbe0ed7ca3@mail.gmail.com> Hmm.. I didn't realize that we monitored this list with a copy of The Holt Handbook in hand. Suppose I'll have to watch me verbs y nouns. Cheers, Jeff Newberry On 6/20/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > >rock solid GOOD poetry?< > > Excuse me, but has the English language just died in that phrase from > Laurel and Hardy? > > Rock solid etc ptawah. Rubbish, scowl and grin/grim-ace. > > I'd rather be a Scotland supporter. > > > Best > > Dave > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* LauraHeidy at aol.com > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now > Online > > > Darn....it IS a wonderful issue. :) Why am I always so happy (and yea > verily even amazed) to find a poetry magazine, ezine or otherwise, which > contains some rock solid GOOD poetry? > > I love the Lux poem "Firestarter" and I loved the Jeff Newberry "Croaker > Sack Communion" poem as well. Nice work, Jeff. > > Lo > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Tue Jun 20 20:31:53 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:31:53 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Patchen, poet, anarchist, surrealist... Message-ID: <51d.b9a725.31c9ed79@aol.com> _http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=3259_ (http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=3259) Kenneth Patchen by Eugene Plawiuk - Le Revue Gauche Monday, Jun 19 2006, 11:28am international / culture / other libertarian press Kenneth Patchen was and is an underrated American poet, a surrealist, an anarchist, a founder of the Beat movement, a painter and illustrator. I came across his works when we ran Erewhon Books, the Anarchist Bookstore in Edmonton in the seventies and eighties. His stream of conciousness novel The Journal of Albion Moonlight has many memorable mise et scenes. Like Jesus and Hitler arguing about capital punishment, murder and war on a train. Hitler wins the argument. Or the tale of the little light bulb that hides in the impoverished home of a poor working class family, keeping them in light to live and learn, hiding from the nameless electrical company which wants to kill this lightbulb because unlike its mates, it is eternal. It can provide light forever, but the evil corporation that makes light bulbs has created all the other bulbs to die out, planned obselecence. He was anti-war, a true anarchist pacifist. He spoke out against WWII when it was far from popular to do so, even amongst the left. His wife Miriam was his muse and his most ardent advocate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Jeff Newberry On 6/20/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: >rock solid GOOD poetry?< Excuse me, but has the English language just died in that phrase from Laurel and Hardy? Rock solid etc ptawah. Rubbish, scowl and grin/grim-ace. I'd rather be a Scotland supporter. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: LauraHeidy at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online Darn....it IS a wonderful issue. :) Why am I always so happy (and yea verily even amazed) to find a poetry magazine, ezine or otherwise, which contains some rock solid GOOD poetry? I love the Lux poem "Firestarter" and I loved the Jeff Newberry " Croaker Sack Communion" poem as well. Nice work, Jeff. 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At this time in his life (if the linked essay is right) Olson 'was only interested in God'-- and of course no idea is more general and less sense-specific than that :). Your reaction poem does not strike me as general at all, the images are quite specific. Olson never relates dialogue, that I can remember, as _Flaunt_ does. The tone is, I would say, flippant, and should be instead kind of grand and sombre, weighty as a stone if you want to pastiche Olson. Maybe that's not what you meant to do, but to express your esthetic reaction to his work, so that the flippancy is more a measure of your own lack of desire to be serious about Olson's seriousness. I actually admire Olson's sincerity. I just finished Nabokov's translation of _Eugene Onegin_ where (to my ears) too much of Nabokov's 'wit' shows through (bird droppings on the monument)-- though I did laugh out loud at how Pushkin's narrator scares ducks by reading poetry to them. I don't know what you mean by "I wanted to take the piss out of that gesture of form." What do you mean by "piss"? Metaphor lost this side of the pond. Must say Olson's "form" is lost on me-- but then I don't like (theologically speaking) his (and Creeley's) notion of form as an extension of content. Shape that's content's no shape at all. I prefer the notion of their Black Mountain College colleague: form as an empty shape that anything can fill-- I mean, of John Cage. But, it's late, Cris > Dave, > my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality > of its > language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite > deliberately > put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know > Olson's > wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to > take the > piss out of that gesture at form. > > Best > > Dave > From: "David Bircumshaw" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson > > I'll do this as one verse then: > > FLAUNT > > It was Sunday afternoon and we > were a bit pissed and on the kerb-side > she saw, and I saw > stricken a pigeon lying on the road. > Pick > pick pick her up she said > and so > unwilling and willing > (because she said) > I did > which fluttered which panicked which > it's scared I said > trembled in my hands which > we took back in a cardboard box > and gave > bread & water & bird-seed > and put her (we > decided it was a she and talked > about what was to be > her name and I > said "Forlorn" which > Vicky misheard as "Flaunt") > and a man from Animal Rights > came round to strangle her > but we wouldn't tell him where Flaunt was > and in the morning > no feathers no blood no > Flaunt anymore had flown. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cris" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > > >> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read >> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, >> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC >> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove >> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through >> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, >> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the >> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day >> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very >> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% >> 20OLSON >> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf >> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire >> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book >> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case >> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: >> >> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness >> in the street, and kids gone and the night >> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up >> in shallows, and some >> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises >> anew life's endlessness, life itself's >> Beauty which all forever so long as there is >> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, >> other animals--they too must know something >> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have >> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, >> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much >> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness >> we arrive in pursuit of >> --when in such as this >> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly >> the voices of each child now >> distinct, the >> light itself, as the air, suddenly >> separating--disassociation of day, wit >> approaching--love approaching because >> Night accompanies >> Heaven coming >> to love Earth, the ambush >> they the Sons the usurpers >> turned on their >> Father, in the dark knowing >> his habit, to come, >> with Night, to make Love to >> their Mother--& they harmed him, >> Heaven went away that night, Night >> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' >> action--these losses >> regained each day when >> >> time brings >> the shortness of >> Day to an end (Night's daughter >> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, >> again, fall in his Desire onto >> Earth. Except for this interference >> of ourselves, children of this >> long & Eternal sequence of >> Love & Desire, of our own lives' >> scandal in >> the Story >> as those Sons ruined >> their Father and gained Earth or >> Their Right, and divided >> us--as we too divide the >> air of Heaven the mode of >> Love-making which penetrates Earth as >> if now it, earth, the >> ball also solely it is >> as the sun also is, and the moon solely >> planets--stars, three in >> all the heavens' million milliions >> which we can see, at night--all nothing >> but what is, equally--all physica >> if now Earth again has, in her will turned >> to shift her axis and, >> already in a >> 10,000 year readjustment of >> her magnetic field, we'll-- >> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that >> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double >> Platonic month--two, as >> >> there's been two since >> Indo-European man came >> from the Caucasus onto >> the Plains--a >> like Time--he brought >> these versions of the animate >> nature of Creation, of >> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll >> lose because the sun's >> Gamma--Edda gone to >> Gamma-- >> will pour through the enveloping >> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us >> not the stars, not the Universe, solely >> this extended skin of our own >> composite body--miracle of >> form will >> break--broken into, spoiled in >> nature and by Universe, dogged down by >> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and >> Love as >> at this hour, each day, in our mercy >> of being your Child >> in the Paternity of only >> Aether, love us and >> keep us in Your >> Receptacle of >> Which You Are The >> Source--and Night the >> Sweetness of the >> Intercourse of which >> We Are the Separable, >> & tentative Eternal creatures, >> Men, >> and Women, simulacrum of the >> >> Story, semblable of >> You >> --of which Life is not >> solely Ours not >> Everywhere >> not all >> here on Earth >> & in these >> troubled >> stories >> of our Selves, of our >> Parents and their repeated >> occurrence >> Each Turn of Earth >> Before Our Own Eyes >> Each Day She >> Turns Her Back on >> Sun, And Night >> brings Heaven >> to Her to >> Begin Again, Love >> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of >> This One System Flying >> Loose in the melee of the >> Universe >> And the Perfect Bowl >> of the Sky of Gloucester >> in which these Events >> May be Seen >> Each Evening Hour >> Each Day before >> Night comes >> to cover Heaven's >> approach, to make Love to >> >> Earth >> And bear Us >> as our Ancestors were >> So Borne >> >> -- Charles Olson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:56:59 +0100 > From: "David Bircumshaw" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <001501c69479$c93c1730$e3c60556 at rayuv8pcloxi9v> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality > of its > language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite > deliberately > put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know > Olson's > wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to > take the > piss out of that gesture at form. > > Best > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cris" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > > >> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read >> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, >> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC >> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove >> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through >> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, >> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the >> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day >> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very >> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% >> 20OLSON >> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf >> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire >> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book >> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case >> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: >> >> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness >> in the street, and kids gone and the night >> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up >> in shallows, and some >> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises >> anew life's endlessness, life itself's >> Beauty which all forever so long as there is >> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, >> other animals--they too must know something >> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have >> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, >> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much >> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness >> we arrive in pursuit of >> --when in such as this >> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly >> the voices of each child now >> distinct, the >> light itself, as the air, suddenly >> separating--disassociation of day, wit >> approaching--love approaching because >> Night accompanies >> Heaven coming >> to love Earth, the ambush >> they the Sons the usurpers >> turned on their >> Father, in the dark knowing >> his habit, to come, >> with Night, to make Love to >> their Mother--& they harmed him, >> Heaven went away that night, Night >> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' >> action--these losses >> regained each day when >> >> time brings >> the shortness of >> Day to an end (Night's daughter >> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, >> again, fall in his Desire onto >> Earth. Except for this interference >> of ourselves, children of this >> long & Eternal sequence of >> Love & Desire, of our own lives' >> scandal in >> the Story >> as those Sons ruined >> their Father and gained Earth or >> Their Right, and divided >> us--as we too divide the >> air of Heaven the mode of >> Love-making which penetrates Earth as >> if now it, earth, the >> ball also solely it is >> as the sun also is, and the moon solely >> planets--stars, three in >> all the heavens' million milliions >> which we can see, at night--all nothing >> but what is, equally--all physica >> if now Earth again has, in her will turned >> to shift her axis and, >> already in a >> 10,000 year readjustment of >> her magnetic field, we'll-- >> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that >> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double >> Platonic month--two, as >> >> there's been two since >> Indo-European man came >> from the Caucasus onto >> the Plains--a >> like Time--he brought >> these versions of the animate >> nature of Creation, of >> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll >> lose because the sun's >> Gamma--Edda gone to >> Gamma-- >> will pour through the enveloping >> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us >> not the stars, not the Universe, solely >> this extended skin of our own >> composite body--miracle of >> form will >> break--broken into, spoiled in >> nature and by Universe, dogged down by >> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and >> Love as >> at this hour, each day, in our mercy >> of being your Child >> in the Paternity of only >> Aether, love us and >> keep us in Your >> Receptacle of >> Which You Are The >> Source--and Night the >> Sweetness of the >> Intercourse of which >> We Are the Separable, >> & tentative Eternal creatures, >> Men, >> and Women, simulacrum of the >> >> Story, semblable of >> You >> --of which Life is not >> solely Ours not >> Everywhere >> not all >> here on Earth >> & in these >> troubled >> stories >> of our Selves, of our >> Parents and their repeated >> occurrence >> Each Turn of Earth >> Before Our Own Eyes >> Each Day She >> Turns Her Back on >> Sun, And Night >> brings Heaven >> to Her to >> Begin Again, Love >> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of >> This One System Flying >> Loose in the melee of the >> Universe >> And the Perfect Bowl >> of the Sky of Gloucester >> in which these Events >> May be Seen >> Each Evening Hour >> Each Day before >> Night comes >> to cover Heaven's >> approach, to make Love to >> >> Earth >> And bear Us >> as our Ancestors were >> So Borne >> >> -- Charles Olson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 > ****************************************** From cc Wed Jun 21 02:49:59 2006 From: cc (Crisman Cooley) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:49:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Olson In-Reply-To: <200606210645.k5L6jEM5012143@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200606210645.k5L6jEM5012143@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4513E781-CB7B-4F64-AE9C-313D224756A1@opus0.com> p.s. I noticed yesterday that Ron Silliman's been talking up Olson on his blog-- I'll read and report back. > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:33:19 -0500 > From: Crisman Cooley > Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Message-ID: <9718EB09-9147-46D5-AEA3-4F95C45F570B at opus0.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >> > Dave, > I was surprised as I reread while I typed how pronounced the > generality, as you rightly call out, is of this poem-- how it strays > from Olson's own roots in thing-language of Williams. The poem I > quoted is fairly late (1966), quite different from his poems of the > '50's. Now I believe the error of equating words with things can be > corrected by reading Saussure-- but I agree that general ideas stray > from sense perceptions (and the erotic impulse?) and lose their > lifeblood, become intellectual ornaments. At this time in his life > (if the linked essay is right) Olson 'was only interested in God'-- > and of course no idea is more general and less sense-specific than > that :). > > Your reaction poem does not strike me as general at all, the images > are quite specific. Olson never relates dialogue, that I can > remember, as _Flaunt_ does. The tone is, I would say, flippant, and > should be instead kind of grand and sombre, weighty as a stone if you > want to pastiche Olson. Maybe that's not what you meant to do, but > to express your esthetic reaction to his work, so that the flippancy > is more a measure of your own lack of desire to be serious about > Olson's seriousness. I actually admire Olson's sincerity. I just > finished Nabokov's translation of _Eugene Onegin_ where (to my ears) > too much of Nabokov's 'wit' shows through (bird droppings on the > monument)-- though I did laugh out loud at how Pushkin's narrator > scares ducks by reading poetry to them. I don't know what you mean > by "I wanted to take the piss out of that gesture of form." What do > you mean by "piss"? Metaphor lost this side of the pond. Must say > Olson's "form" is lost on me-- but then I don't like (theologically > speaking) his (and Creeley's) notion of form as an extension of > content. Shape that's content's no shape at all. I prefer the > notion of their Black Mountain College colleague: form as an empty > shape that anything can fill-- I mean, of John Cage. > > But, it's late, > Cris > > > > >> Dave, > > >> my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality >> of its >> language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite >> deliberately >> put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know >> Olson's >> wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to >> take the >> piss out of that gesture at form. >> >> Best >> >> Dave > > > >> From: "David Bircumshaw" >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson >> >> I'll do this as one verse then: >> >> FLAUNT >> >> It was Sunday afternoon and we >> were a bit pissed and on the kerb-side >> she saw, and I saw >> stricken a pigeon lying on the road. >> Pick >> pick pick her up she said >> and so >> unwilling and willing >> (because she said) >> I did >> which fluttered which panicked which >> it's scared I said >> trembled in my hands which >> we took back in a cardboard box >> and gave >> bread & water & bird-seed >> and put her (we >> decided it was a she and talked >> about what was to be >> her name and I >> said "Forlorn" which >> Vicky misheard as "Flaunt") >> and a man from Animal Rights >> came round to strangle her >> but we wouldn't tell him where Flaunt was >> and in the morning >> no feathers no blood no >> Flaunt anymore had flown. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cris" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson >> >> >>> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read >>> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, >>> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC >>> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove >>> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) >>> through >>> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, >>> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the >>> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day >>> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very >>> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% >>> 20OLSON >>> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf >>> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire >>> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book >>> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case >>> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: >>> >>> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness >>> in the street, and kids gone and the night >>> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up >>> in shallows, and some >>> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises >>> anew life's endlessness, life itself's >>> Beauty which all forever so long as there is >>> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, >>> other animals--they too must know something >>> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have >>> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, >>> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much >>> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness >>> we arrive in pursuit of >>> --when in such as this >>> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly >>> the voices of each child now >>> distinct, the >>> light itself, as the air, suddenly >>> separating--disassociation of day, wit >>> approaching--love approaching because >>> Night accompanies >>> Heaven coming >>> to love Earth, the ambush >>> they the Sons the usurpers >>> turned on their >>> Father, in the dark knowing >>> his habit, to come, >>> with Night, to make Love to >>> their Mother--& they harmed him, >>> Heaven went away that night, Night >>> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' >>> action--these losses >>> regained each day when >>> >>> time brings >>> the shortness of >>> Day to an end (Night's daughter >>> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, >>> again, fall in his Desire onto >>> Earth. Except for this interference >>> of ourselves, children of this >>> long & Eternal sequence of >>> Love & Desire, of our own lives' >>> scandal in >>> the Story >>> as those Sons ruined >>> their Father and gained Earth or >>> Their Right, and divided >>> us--as we too divide the >>> air of Heaven the mode of >>> Love-making which penetrates Earth as >>> if now it, earth, the >>> ball also solely it is >>> as the sun also is, and the moon solely >>> planets--stars, three in >>> all the heavens' million milliions >>> which we can see, at night--all nothing >>> but what is, equally--all physica >>> if now Earth again has, in her will turned >>> to shift her axis and, >>> already in a >>> 10,000 year readjustment of >>> her magnetic field, we'll-- >>> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that >>> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double >>> Platonic month--two, as >>> >>> there's been two since >>> Indo-European man came >>> from the Caucasus onto >>> the Plains--a >>> like Time--he brought >>> these versions of the animate >>> nature of Creation, of >>> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll >>> lose because the sun's >>> Gamma--Edda gone to >>> Gamma-- >>> will pour through the enveloping >>> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us >>> not the stars, not the Universe, solely >>> this extended skin of our own >>> composite body--miracle of >>> form will >>> break--broken into, spoiled in >>> nature and by Universe, dogged down by >>> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and >>> Love as >>> at this hour, each day, in our mercy >>> of being your Child >>> in the Paternity of only >>> Aether, love us and >>> keep us in Your >>> Receptacle of >>> Which You Are The >>> Source--and Night the >>> Sweetness of the >>> Intercourse of which >>> We Are the Separable, >>> & tentative Eternal creatures, >>> Men, >>> and Women, simulacrum of the >>> >>> Story, semblable of >>> You >>> --of which Life is not >>> solely Ours not >>> Everywhere >>> not all >>> here on Earth >>> & in these >>> troubled >>> stories >>> of our Selves, of our >>> Parents and their repeated >>> occurrence >>> Each Turn of Earth >>> Before Our Own Eyes >>> Each Day She >>> Turns Her Back on >>> Sun, And Night >>> brings Heaven >>> to Her to >>> Begin Again, Love >>> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of >>> This One System Flying >>> Loose in the melee of the >>> Universe >>> And the Perfect Bowl >>> of the Sky of Gloucester >>> in which these Events >>> May be Seen >>> Each Evening Hour >>> Each Day before >>> Night comes >>> to cover Heaven's >>> approach, to make Love to >>> >>> Earth >>> And bear Us >>> as our Ancestors were >>> So Borne >>> >>> -- Charles Olson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:56:59 +0100 >> From: "David Bircumshaw" >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" >> >> Message-ID: <001501c69479$c93c1730$e3c60556 at rayuv8pcloxi9v> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality >> of its >> language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite >> deliberately >> put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know >> Olson's >> wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to >> take the >> piss out of that gesture at form. >> >> Best >> >> Dave >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cris" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM >> Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson >> >> >>> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read >>> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, >>> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC >>> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove >>> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) >>> through >>> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, >>> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the >>> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day >>> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very >>> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ >>> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% >>> 20OLSON >>> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf >>> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire >>> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book >>> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case >>> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: >>> >>> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness >>> in the street, and kids gone and the night >>> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up >>> in shallows, and some >>> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises >>> anew life's endlessness, life itself's >>> Beauty which all forever so long as there is >>> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, >>> other animals--they too must know something >>> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have >>> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, >>> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much >>> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness >>> we arrive in pursuit of >>> --when in such as this >>> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly >>> the voices of each child now >>> distinct, the >>> light itself, as the air, suddenly >>> separating--disassociation of day, wit >>> approaching--love approaching because >>> Night accompanies >>> Heaven coming >>> to love Earth, the ambush >>> they the Sons the usurpers >>> turned on their >>> Father, in the dark knowing >>> his habit, to come, >>> with Night, to make Love to >>> their Mother--& they harmed him, >>> Heaven went away that night, Night >>> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' >>> action--these losses >>> regained each day when >>> >>> time brings >>> the shortness of >>> Day to an end (Night's daughter >>> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, >>> again, fall in his Desire onto >>> Earth. Except for this interference >>> of ourselves, children of this >>> long & Eternal sequence of >>> Love & Desire, of our own lives' >>> scandal in >>> the Story >>> as those Sons ruined >>> their Father and gained Earth or >>> Their Right, and divided >>> us--as we too divide the >>> air of Heaven the mode of >>> Love-making which penetrates Earth as >>> if now it, earth, the >>> ball also solely it is >>> as the sun also is, and the moon solely >>> planets--stars, three in >>> all the heavens' million milliions >>> which we can see, at night--all nothing >>> but what is, equally--all physica >>> if now Earth again has, in her will turned >>> to shift her axis and, >>> already in a >>> 10,000 year readjustment of >>> her magnetic field, we'll-- >>> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that >>> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double >>> Platonic month--two, as >>> >>> there's been two since >>> Indo-European man came >>> from the Caucasus onto >>> the Plains--a >>> like Time--he brought >>> these versions of the animate >>> nature of Creation, of >>> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll >>> lose because the sun's >>> Gamma--Edda gone to >>> Gamma-- >>> will pour through the enveloping >>> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us >>> not the stars, not the Universe, solely >>> this extended skin of our own >>> composite body--miracle of >>> form will >>> break--broken into, spoiled in >>> nature and by Universe, dogged down by >>> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and >>> Love as >>> at this hour, each day, in our mercy >>> of being your Child >>> in the Paternity of only >>> Aether, love us and >>> keep us in Your >>> Receptacle of >>> Which You Are The >>> Source--and Night the >>> Sweetness of the >>> Intercourse of which >>> We Are the Separable, >>> & tentative Eternal creatures, >>> Men, >>> and Women, simulacrum of the >>> >>> Story, semblable of >>> You >>> --of which Life is not >>> solely Ours not >>> Everywhere >>> not all >>> here on Earth >>> & in these >>> troubled >>> stories >>> of our Selves, of our >>> Parents and their repeated >>> occurrence >>> Each Turn of Earth >>> Before Our Own Eyes >>> Each Day She >>> Turns Her Back on >>> Sun, And Night >>> brings Heaven >>> to Her to >>> Begin Again, Love >>> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of >>> This One System Flying >>> Loose in the melee of the >>> Universe >>> And the Perfect Bowl >>> of the Sky of Gloucester >>> in which these Events >>> May be Seen >>> Each Evening Hour >>> Each Day before >>> Night comes >>> to cover Heaven's >>> approach, to make Love to >>> >>> Earth >>> And bear Us >>> as our Ancestors were >>> So Borne >>> >>> -- Charles Olson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 >> ****************************************** > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 25 > ****************************************** From david.bircumshaw Wed Jun 21 04:05:10 2006 From: david.bircumshaw (David Bircumshaw) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:05:10 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 References: <200606201600.k5KG03M5000420@wiz.cath.vt.edu> <9718EB09-9147-46D5-AEA3-4F95C45F570B@opus0.com> Message-ID: <000901c69509$6c13d080$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Hi Cris nice post. My own reaction to Olson (and I suspected it was a late one btw) was about form. "Flant" btw is, was, a this really happened poem. Taking the piss? - ok, Britspeak, can be translated as taking the mickey, that's not a satisfactory equivalent but it's along those lines. All the Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crisman Cooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:33 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 > > > Dave, > I was surprised as I reread while I typed how pronounced the > generality, as you rightly call out, is of this poem-- how it strays > from Olson's own roots in thing-language of Williams. The poem I > quoted is fairly late (1966), quite different from his poems of the > '50's. Now I believe the error of equating words with things can be > corrected by reading Saussure-- but I agree that general ideas stray > from sense perceptions (and the erotic impulse?) and lose their > lifeblood, become intellectual ornaments. At this time in his life > (if the linked essay is right) Olson 'was only interested in God'-- > and of course no idea is more general and less sense-specific than > that :). > > Your reaction poem does not strike me as general at all, the images > are quite specific. Olson never relates dialogue, that I can > remember, as _Flaunt_ does. The tone is, I would say, flippant, and > should be instead kind of grand and sombre, weighty as a stone if you > want to pastiche Olson. Maybe that's not what you meant to do, but > to express your esthetic reaction to his work, so that the flippancy > is more a measure of your own lack of desire to be serious about > Olson's seriousness. I actually admire Olson's sincerity. I just > finished Nabokov's translation of _Eugene Onegin_ where (to my ears) > too much of Nabokov's 'wit' shows through (bird droppings on the > monument)-- though I did laugh out loud at how Pushkin's narrator > scares ducks by reading poetry to them. I don't know what you mean > by "I wanted to take the piss out of that gesture of form." What do > you mean by "piss"? Metaphor lost this side of the pond. Must say > Olson's "form" is lost on me-- but then I don't like (theologically > speaking) his (and Creeley's) notion of form as an extension of > content. Shape that's content's no shape at all. I prefer the > notion of their Black Mountain College colleague: form as an empty > shape that anything can fill-- I mean, of John Cage. > > But, it's late, > Cris > > > > > > Dave, > > > > my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality > > of its > > language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite > > deliberately > > put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know > > Olson's > > wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to > > take the > > piss out of that gesture at form. > > > > Best > > > > Dave > > > > > From: "David Bircumshaw" > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson > > > > I'll do this as one verse then: > > > > FLAUNT > > > > It was Sunday afternoon and we > > were a bit pissed and on the kerb-side > > she saw, and I saw > > stricken a pigeon lying on the road. > > Pick > > pick pick her up she said > > and so > > unwilling and willing > > (because she said) > > I did > > which fluttered which panicked which > > it's scared I said > > trembled in my hands which > > we took back in a cardboard box > > and gave > > bread & water & bird-seed > > and put her (we > > decided it was a she and talked > > about what was to be > > her name and I > > said "Forlorn" which > > Vicky misheard as "Flaunt") > > and a man from Animal Rights > > came round to strangle her > > but we wouldn't tell him where Flaunt was > > and in the morning > > no feathers no blood no > > Flaunt anymore had flown. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cris" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > > > > > >> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read > >> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, > >> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC > >> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove > >> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through > >> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, > >> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the > >> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day > >> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very > >> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ > >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% > >> 20OLSON > >> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf > >> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire > >> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book > >> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case > >> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: > >> > >> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness > >> in the street, and kids gone and the night > >> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up > >> in shallows, and some > >> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises > >> anew life's endlessness, life itself's > >> Beauty which all forever so long as there is > >> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, > >> other animals--they too must know something > >> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have > >> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, > >> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much > >> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness > >> we arrive in pursuit of > >> --when in such as this > >> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly > >> the voices of each child now > >> distinct, the > >> light itself, as the air, suddenly > >> separating--disassociation of day, wit > >> approaching--love approaching because > >> Night accompanies > >> Heaven coming > >> to love Earth, the ambush > >> they the Sons the usurpers > >> turned on their > >> Father, in the dark knowing > >> his habit, to come, > >> with Night, to make Love to > >> their Mother--& they harmed him, > >> Heaven went away that night, Night > >> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' > >> action--these losses > >> regained each day when > >> > >> time brings > >> the shortness of > >> Day to an end (Night's daughter > >> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, > >> again, fall in his Desire onto > >> Earth. Except for this interference > >> of ourselves, children of this > >> long & Eternal sequence of > >> Love & Desire, of our own lives' > >> scandal in > >> the Story > >> as those Sons ruined > >> their Father and gained Earth or > >> Their Right, and divided > >> us--as we too divide the > >> air of Heaven the mode of > >> Love-making which penetrates Earth as > >> if now it, earth, the > >> ball also solely it is > >> as the sun also is, and the moon solely > >> planets--stars, three in > >> all the heavens' million milliions > >> which we can see, at night--all nothing > >> but what is, equally--all physica > >> if now Earth again has, in her will turned > >> to shift her axis and, > >> already in a > >> 10,000 year readjustment of > >> her magnetic field, we'll-- > >> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that > >> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double > >> Platonic month--two, as > >> > >> there's been two since > >> Indo-European man came > >> from the Caucasus onto > >> the Plains--a > >> like Time--he brought > >> these versions of the animate > >> nature of Creation, of > >> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll > >> lose because the sun's > >> Gamma--Edda gone to > >> Gamma-- > >> will pour through the enveloping > >> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us > >> not the stars, not the Universe, solely > >> this extended skin of our own > >> composite body--miracle of > >> form will > >> break--broken into, spoiled in > >> nature and by Universe, dogged down by > >> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and > >> Love as > >> at this hour, each day, in our mercy > >> of being your Child > >> in the Paternity of only > >> Aether, love us and > >> keep us in Your > >> Receptacle of > >> Which You Are The > >> Source--and Night the > >> Sweetness of the > >> Intercourse of which > >> We Are the Separable, > >> & tentative Eternal creatures, > >> Men, > >> and Women, simulacrum of the > >> > >> Story, semblable of > >> You > >> --of which Life is not > >> solely Ours not > >> Everywhere > >> not all > >> here on Earth > >> & in these > >> troubled > >> stories > >> of our Selves, of our > >> Parents and their repeated > >> occurrence > >> Each Turn of Earth > >> Before Our Own Eyes > >> Each Day She > >> Turns Her Back on > >> Sun, And Night > >> brings Heaven > >> to Her to > >> Begin Again, Love > >> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of > >> This One System Flying > >> Loose in the melee of the > >> Universe > >> And the Perfect Bowl > >> of the Sky of Gloucester > >> in which these Events > >> May be Seen > >> Each Evening Hour > >> Each Day before > >> Night comes > >> to cover Heaven's > >> approach, to make Love to > >> > >> Earth > >> And bear Us > >> as our Ancestors were > >> So Borne > >> > >> -- Charles Olson > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:56:59 +0100 > > From: "David Bircumshaw" > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Olson > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > > > Message-ID: <001501c69479$c93c1730$e3c60556 at rayuv8pcloxi9v> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > my reservations about this, Cris, are those of a certain generality > > of its > > language, I think too that formally it is very weak, I quite > > deliberately > > put my reaction poem in the style of a versical palimpest, I know > > Olson's > > wasa divided haphazardly into bits, but to be honest I wanted to > > take the > > piss out of that gesture at form. > > > > Best > > > > Dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cris" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:51 PM > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Olson > > > > > >> Beginning when Hal posted the link to _Projective Verse_ and I read > >> it (for the first time), rekindling my interest in Olson's project, > >> another light turned on over the dark map of poetry, I took the UC > >> Berkeley edition of Maximus down from my shelf and READ as we drove > >> from San Miguel (sorry I missed you Hal-- are you there yet?) through > >> Guadalajara to Tepic, Mazatlan, beaches at Guaymas, Hermosillo, > >> through Nogales to Nogales and across the very hottest part of the > >> journey, Arizona, arriving last night in Santa Barbara, after a day > >> in Del Mar where I looked for the link to Enyalion, found these very > >> interesting notes on Olson and the Ancient [ > >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/olson/blog/NOTES%20ON%20CHARLES% > >> 20OLSON > >> %20AND%20THE%20ARCHAIC.pdf > >> ] just this morning completed _The Maximus Poems_. Much to admire > >> and learn from, especially good timing since I've completed my book > >> length poem and am EDITING, now with CO in mind. A sample, in case > >> you may not have listened to Maximus for a while: > >> > >> The hour of evening--supper hour, for my neighbors--quietness > >> in the street, and kids gone and the night > >> coming to end the day (which has piled itself up > >> in shallows, and some > >> accomplishment--sweet air of evening promises > >> anew life's endlessness, life itself's > >> Beauty which all forever so long as there is > >> a human race like flowers and, I suppose, > >> other animals--they too must know something > >> of what it is to love, to be alive, to have > >> life, to be on the sweetness of Earth herself, > >> great Goddess we take for granted, God the Father so much > >> more the strain of our beings, she the sweetness > >> we arrive in pursuit of > >> --when in such as this > >> hour falling suddenly the air suddenly > >> the voices of each child now > >> distinct, the > >> light itself, as the air, suddenly > >> separating--disassociation of day, wit > >> approaching--love approaching because > >> Night accompanies > >> Heaven coming > >> to love Earth, the ambush > >> they the Sons the usurpers > >> turned on their > >> Father, in the dark knowing > >> his habit, to come, > >> with Night, to make Love to > >> their Mother--& they harmed him, > >> Heaven went away that night, Night > >> stayed, Earth in fact was a Party to her sons' > >> action--these losses > >> regained each day when > >> > >> time brings > >> the shortness of > >> Day to an end (Night's daughter > >> leaves Earth to Night--and Heaven can, > >> again, fall in his Desire onto > >> Earth. Except for this interference > >> of ourselves, children of this > >> long & Eternal sequence of > >> Love & Desire, of our own lives' > >> scandal in > >> the Story > >> as those Sons ruined > >> their Father and gained Earth or > >> Their Right, and divided > >> us--as we too divide the > >> air of Heaven the mode of > >> Love-making which penetrates Earth as > >> if now it, earth, the > >> ball also solely it is > >> as the sun also is, and the moon solely > >> planets--stars, three in > >> all the heavens' million milliions > >> which we can see, at night--all nothing > >> but what is, equally--all physica > >> if now Earth again has, in her will turned > >> to shift her axis and, > >> already in a > >> 10,000 year readjustment of > >> her magnetic field, we'll-- > >> or so Bruce Heezen speculates that > >> then (5000 years from now, mid-point, or double > >> Platonic month--two, as > >> > >> there's been two since > >> Indo-European man came > >> from the Caucasus onto > >> the Plains--a > >> like Time--he brought > >> these versions of the animate > >> nature of Creation, of > >> ourselves)--if in 4000 years we'll > >> lose because the sun's > >> Gamma--Edda gone to > >> Gamma-- > >> will pour through the enveloping > >> Atmosphere--Heaven the Father of Us > >> not the stars, not the Universe, solely > >> this extended skin of our own > >> composite body--miracle of > >> form will > >> break--broken into, spoiled in > >> nature and by Universe, dogged down by > >> rays--Lord, Father, correct Earth and > >> Love as > >> at this hour, each day, in our mercy > >> of being your Child > >> in the Paternity of only > >> Aether, love us and > >> keep us in Your > >> Receptacle of > >> Which You Are The > >> Source--and Night the > >> Sweetness of the > >> Intercourse of which > >> We Are the Separable, > >> & tentative Eternal creatures, > >> Men, > >> and Women, simulacrum of the > >> > >> Story, semblable of > >> You > >> --of which Life is not > >> solely Ours not > >> Everywhere > >> not all > >> here on Earth > >> & in these > >> troubled > >> stories > >> of our Selves, of our > >> Parents and their repeated > >> occurrence > >> Each Turn of Earth > >> Before Our Own Eyes > >> Each Day She > >> Turns Her Back on > >> Sun, And Night > >> brings Heaven > >> to Her to > >> Begin Again, Love > >> And Man Shall Continue To Be in the Mystica of > >> This One System Flying > >> Loose in the melee of the > >> Universe > >> And the Perfect Bowl > >> of the Sky of Gloucester > >> in which these Events > >> May be Seen > >> Each Evening Hour > >> Each Day before > >> Night comes > >> to cover Heaven's > >> approach, to make Love to > >> > >> Earth > >> And bear Us > >> as our Ancestors were > >> So Borne > >> > >> -- Charles Olson > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > End of New-Poetry Digest, Vol 24, Issue 24 > > ****************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From robin.hamilton2 Tue Jun 20 17:51:46 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 (Robin Hamilton) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:51:46 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Greacen's poetry References: <229.c4eeeb0.31c9887b@aol.com> Message-ID: <003a01c69510$f84bcb50$d08f3e0a@PC232542321673> Hey, Jessie, this is great news! I remember years ago Robert Greacen reading the Captain Fox poems in his flat in London (I think before the sequence was finished) what must be all of thirty years ago now. Blew my mind (and I was over the moon when it came out as a book). Matthew Sweeney was a member of that group, how I came to meet Robert in the first place. I didn't actually teach Matthew -- he was on a different course -- but he was a student at North London Polytechnic (as was) while I was adjunct teaching there in the seventies. How time passes ... I'll check out the interview, and order the book, on Friday. Typing this offline, as when I go online (at a wifi hotspot at the British Library) I pay ?4.50 an hour, so I'm basically nicking on, uploading and downloading emails, then departing like a scalded rabbit till I get back home. May I forward this announcement to british-poetry and poetry etc (if it's not been posted there already)? Robin (Give my regards to Robert if you're in touch with him.) ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Greacen's poetry In a message dated 6/20/2006 8:37:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jessie at salmonpoetry.com writes: Hello Everyone, Robert Greacen's poetry has been a crucial part of Northern Irish literature and culture for over 50 years. We are honoured to present his New & Selected Poems; published this month. http://salmonpoetry.com/greacen.html From jeff.newberry Wed Jun 21 08:51:28 2006 From: jeff.newberry (Jeff Newberry) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:51:28 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now Online In-Reply-To: <00d301c694f3$fb7f1010$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <50f.a6e286.31c97e36@aol.com> <009601c694c7$cdba28d0$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <731bb17a0606201722i1ab8ce07w6b82a5dbe0ed7ca3@mail.gmail.com> <00d301c694f3$fb7f1010$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <731bb17a0606210551y526b2524x9b1c3b2e8802d72b@mail.gmail.com> Oh--sorry David, I was being a bit antagonistic. It's a freshman/sophomore-level grammar handbook, common in American universities. All the best, Jeff Newberry On 6/21/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > >Hmm.. > > I didn't realize that we monitored this list with a copy of The Holt > Handbook in hand.< > > Hey Jeff, wot's the Holt Handbook when it's about? > > Confused and amused > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jeff Newberry > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:22 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast Now > Online > > > Hmm.. > > I didn't realize that we monitored this list with a copy of The Holt > Handbook in hand. > > Suppose I'll have to watch me verbs y nouns. > > Cheers, > > Jeff Newberry > > > On 6/20/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > > > > >rock solid GOOD poetry?< > > > > Excuse me, but has the English language just died in that phrase from > > Laurel and Hardy? > > > > Rock solid etc ptawah. Rubbish, scowl and grin/grim-ace. > > > > I'd rather be a Scotland supporter. > > > > > > Best > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* LauraHeidy at aol.com > > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:37 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Fwd: Summer 2006 Issue of Poetry Southeast > > Now Online > > > > > > Darn....it IS a wonderful issue. :) Why am I always so happy (and yea > > verily even amazed) to find a poetry magazine, ezine or otherwise, which > > contains some rock solid GOOD poetry? > > > > I love the Lux poem "Firestarter" and I loved the Jeff Newberry " Croaker > > Sack Communion" poem as well. Nice work, Jeff. > > > > Lo > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates._______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Wed Jun 21 20:56:36 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:56:36 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry matters: another view Message-ID: <513.f8439e.31cb44c4@aol.com> It's been about 20 years since the original essay was presented by Dana Gioia. Poetry matters, another take: _http://www.southernhum.com/joseph-salemi2/_ (http://www.southernhum.com/joseph-salemi2/) On the other hand, poetry matters intensely when a human mind has the intelligence and leisure to look at a literary artifact and be struck by the power of well-wrought language. Poetry is only about real life at two or three removes. It is a form of mimesis that manipulates images in language for aesthe tic purposes. That?s when poetry matters the most?at the aesthetic junction, so to speak, of text and eye. The reader peruses a text with understanding and says ?Dammit, that?s well done!? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens Thu Jun 22 06:43:24 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] MiPOesias & the First Official Day In-Reply-To: <20060621143758.79975.qmail@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060622104324.34483.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Someone kindly pointed out my blunder from yesterday: "Summertime" was not written by Armstrong, but rather, the lyrics came from the pens of Ira Gershwin and DuBose Heyward, song composed by George Gershwin. I should admit that the writers below played no role in the execution of my error -- I acted alone from my own grassy knoll. So please stop by and imbibe, once again, for the sake of what poets hold dear! amy king wrote: "Now it's summertime and the livin' is easy" (Louis Armstrong, "Summertime") ----> Gina Myers - "Behind Closed Doors" and "House" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/myers_gina.html Michael Farrell - "doco" and "doco" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/farrell_michael.html Tim Botta - "Lemoncello," "Occult Proximity," and "Garland" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/botta_tim.html Mairead Byrne - "Interview With a Wise Old Man" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Interviews/byrne_mairead_interviewwithwiseoldman2006.html Marcus Slease - "Birthday," "Gecko's Lounge," "Seoul Station," "Ssangmun Station, South Korea May 19th 2006," and "Dental Clinic" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/slease_marcus.html Anne Gorrick - "Fear of Taxidermy" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/gorrick_anne.html Adam Fieled and Lars Palm - "Isla Perdida," "this is a song (about how I'm a monkey)," and Virtual Pinball - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/fieled_palm.html Scott Glassman - "Returning from You" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/glassman_scott.html Elena Georgiou - "Urban Aubade #1," "Elegy for an Immigrant" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/georgiou_elena.html James Grinwis - "Charmland" - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/grinwis_james.html Your happy editor and producer, Amy King and Didi Menendez http://www.mipoesias.com http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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COURT GREEN is a poetry journal published annually in association with the English Department at Columbia College Chicago, and is edited by Arielle Greenberg, Tony Trigilio, and David Trinidad. Each issue features a dossier on a special topic or theme. Past dossiers include a section on poetry and film (issue #1) and a tribute to Lorine Niedecker (issue #2). The dossier for issue #4 (Spring 2007) will feature a collection of political poetry. Copies are available for $10 each through the address below. Subscription rate is $25.00 for three issues. Please make checks payable to Columbia College Chicago. COURT GREEN Columbia College Chicago English Department 600 S. Michigan Ave Chicago, IL 60605 From Rsgwynn1 Thu Jun 22 13:54:38 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:54:38 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] A poem Message-ID: <2cb.9e26903.31cc335e@cs.com> This Be the Worse They fuck you up, the chaps you choose To do your Letters and your Life. They wait till all that's left of you's A corpse in which to shove a knife. How ghoulishly they grub among Your years for stuff to shame and shock: The times you didn't hold your tongue, The times you failed to curb your cock. To each of those who've processed me Into their scrap of fame or pelf: You think in marks for decency I'd lose to you? Don't kid yourself. Robert Conquest, Demons Don't, 1999 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c288 Thu Jun 22 18:23:04 2006 From: c288 (Charmaine Pettit) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:23:04 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker In-Reply-To: <001701c69610$c35fdac0$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Contributors to date: Julia Bloch, Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite, Mez Breeze, Amina Cain, Jimmy Chen, Kim Chinquee, John Cleary, Catherine Daly, Brett Evans, Brian Evenson, Raymond Farr, Malia Jackson, Carrie-Sinclair Katz, Susanna Kittredge, Richard Kostelanetz, Norman Lock, Scott Malby, Bob Marcacci, L.J. Moore, Greg Mulcahy, Eireene Nealand, Daniel Pendergrass, Kristin Prevallet, Len Shneyder, Nina Shope, Ed Skoog, Jason Snyder, Anna Joy Springer, Chris Stroffolino, Joanne Tracy, Nico Vassilakis, James Wagner, & Derek White. Projects to date: Build: Mother, I: A multi-author, multi-genre exploration of seeds sown by Bataille. (www.sidebrow.net/2006/motheri.php) Build: Post-Hole: A multi-author, multi-genre menagerie of grotesques. (www.sidebrow.net/2006/posthole.php) The Letters Project: Reviving the epistolary novella. (www.sidebrow.net/2006/epistolary.php) Page 24 Project: A chapbook concerning and consisting exclusively of page 24s. (www.sidebrow.net/2006/page24.php) Litopolis San Francisco: Staking a literary claim to the city. (www.sidebrow.net/2006/litopolissf.php) Other projects to be defined by future submissions and response. For more information, and to peruse currently posted works, visit www.sidebrow.net. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Those who count the ballots decide everything." --Joseph Stalin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens Fri Jun 23 18:32:03 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Corie Feiner, Gina Myers, and David Applegate @ STAIN Bar in Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20060622104324.34483.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060623223203.40969.qmail@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ONE WEEK FROM TODAY, Friday, June 30th @ STAIN BAR, BROOKLYN -- 7PM Poet and performer, Corie Feiner (nee Herman) delivers her work with intensity, humor, and skill. Called "wonderful" by The New York Times, and "captivating," by Backstage Magazine; she has been featured in The Riverdale Press, the Greenwhich Times, and on WNBC for her extraordinary performances and poetry workshops. In addition to being a cast member of the renowned theatre troupe, Storahtelling, she is the author of the poetry collection, Radishes into Roses, and has been published in numerous literary magazines and anthologies. You can reach her though her web site: http://www.coriefeiner.com. Gina Myers is originally from Saginaw, MI. She now resides in Brooklyn, NY where she co-edits 'the tiny' with Gabriella Torres. Her chapbook Fear of the Knee Bending Backwards is forthcoming from H_NGM_N, and a chapbook of collaborations with the poet Dustin Williamson, Power Lunch, is also forthcoming. David Applegate is a library clerk. He co-founded Bad Noise Productions in early 2006. Their first production, "Headless, nameless / Death hippie dub EP," a split text in the tradition of 7" hardcore records, will be available from http://www.badnoiseproductions.com in the very near future. A second production, the mysterious "Grammar Crisis," will appear during the fall of 2006. MiPO Reading Series -- http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com Sponsored by MiPOesias -- http://www.mipoesias.com Stain Bar serves local New York State beers and wines, AND MiPOesias will provide tiny finger foods in honor of summer. There is also a beautiful backyard with seating for early birds (or folks who choose to skip work). _______________________________ STAIN is a unique arts lounge dedicated to local products and talent. stain 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L to Grand, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 daily 5 p.m. http://www.stainbar.com/ --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1?/min with Yahoo! 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In addition to being a cast member of the renowned theatre troupe, Storahtelling, she is the author of the poetry collection, Radishes into Roses, and has been published in numerous literary magazines and anthologies. You can reach her though her web site: http://www.coriefeiner.com. Gina Myers is originally from Saginaw, MI. She now resides in Brooklyn, NY where she co-edits 'the tiny' with Gabriella Torres. Her chapbook Fear of the Knee Bending Backwards is forthcoming from H_NGM_N, and a chapbook of collaborations with the poet Dustin Williamson, Power Lunch, is also forthcoming. David Applegate is a library clerk. He co-founded Bad Noise Productions in early 2006. Their first production, "Headless, nameless / Death hippie dub EP," a split text in the tradition of 7" hardcore records, will be available from http://www.badnoiseproductions.com in the very near future. A second production, the mysterious "Grammar Crisis," will appear during the fall of 2006. MiPO Reading Series -- http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com Sponsored by MiPOesias -- http://www.mipoesias.com Stain Bar serves local New York State beers and wines, AND MiPOesias will provide tiny finger foods in honor of summer. There is also a beautiful backyard with seating for early birds (or folks who choose to skip work). _______________________________ STAIN is a unique arts lounge dedicated to local products and talent. stain 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L to Grand, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 daily 5 p.m. http://www.stainbar.com/ --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can reach her though her web site: http://www.coriefeiner.com. Gina Myers is originally from Saginaw, MI. She now resides in Brooklyn, NY where she co-edits 'the tiny' with Gabriella Torres. Her chapbook Fear of the Knee Bending Backwards is forthcoming from H_NGM_N, and a chapbook of collaborations with the poet Dustin Williamson, Power Lunch, is also forthcoming. David Applegate is a library clerk. He co-founded Bad Noise Productions in early 2006. Their first production, "Headless, nameless / Death hippie dub EP," a split text in the tradition of 7" hardcore records, will be available from http://www.badnoiseproductions.com in the very near future. A second production, the mysterious "Grammar Crisis," will appear during the fall of 2006. MiPO Reading Series -- http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com Sponsored by MiPOesias -- http://www.mipoesias.com Stain Bar serves local New York State beers and wines, AND MiPOesias will provide tiny finger foods in honor of summer. There is also a beautiful backyard with seating for early birds (or folks who choose to skip work). _______________________________ STAIN is a unique arts lounge dedicated to local products and talent. stain 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L to Grand, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 daily 5 p.m. http://www.stainbar.com/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Sat Jun 24 15:54:42 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:54:42 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] The Poetry of Investing Message-ID: <506.1824f7b.31cef282@aol.com> The Poetry of Investing _http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2006/commentary06062301.htm_ (http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2006/commentary06062301.htm) By Selena Maranjian (TMF Selena) 06/23/2006 "For I have known them all already, known them all -- Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons, I have measured out my life with coffee spoons." -- T.S. Eliot Do you ever feel this discouraged? Looking back at your life, do you sometimes see just an endless series of ... cups of coffee? Newspapers? Piles of laundry? Traffic jams? Small talk? The poet Theodore Roethke also saw himself measuring time, but with members of the opposite sex, in his case. In "I Knew a Woman," he writes: But who would count eternity in days? These old bones live to learn her wanton ways. (I measure time by how a body sways.) How do you measure your life? If you measure it in minute-by-minute upticks and downticks in the stocks you (briefly) own, then friend, you've got a problem. Investing should be only a single (albeit fun and rewarding) part of a good life. If you're anything like Billy Collins, the poet who wrote "Nostalgia," you might measure your life by dances and fashions and alphabets made of twigs. (http://www.fool.com/Server/printarticle.aspx?file=/news/commentary/2006/commentary06062301.htm) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames Sun Jun 25 11:15:33 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:15:33 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: Louis MacNeice, "House on a Cliff" Message-ID: <24e.c500e93.31d00295@aol.com> House on a Cliff Indoors the tang of a tiny oil lamp. Outdoors The winking signal on the waste of sea. Indoors the sound of the wind. Outdoors the wind. Indoors the locked heart and the lost key. Outdoors the chill, the void, the siren. Indoors The strong man pained to find his red blood cools, While the blind clock grows louder, faster. Outdoors The silent moon, the garrulous tides she rules. Indoors ancestral curse-cum-blessing. Outdoors The empty bowl of heaven, the empty deep. Indoors a purposeful man who talks at cross Purposes, to himself, in a broken sleep. --Louis MacNeice poem as quoted in Tom Paulin?s essay ?The Man From No Part,? collected in Writing to the Moment, Selected Critical Essays 1980-1996 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard Sun Jun 25 13:18:32 2006 From: halvard (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:18:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] "Splendid Hegemonies" Message-ID: Splendid Hegemonies Q: What divides these from the others? A: With or without the threat of force. Q: Who dominates whom? A: Throughout history. Q: Can you say something about defining your marginalized heresies? A: Power is very rarely limited. Q: Was art power? A: That?s a matter of impression. Q: How do ideas become naturalized? A: In a richly exampled arena. Q: Who got power and legitimacy? A: Quite often they did so. Q: Please explain for us the capacity of domination. A: I?d be delighted. Q: Does something called an ?I? exist? A: I?d certainly say so. Q: Who dictates the terms of trade? A: Local hegemons known as Ba. Q: Is there a legitimate threat of force? A: Hydraulic despots, for example. Q: Does a temple have doors at both ends? A: And why not, sir? Q: Can corrupt regimes pervert any theory? A: And why not, sir? Q: Take the concept of saintliness, for example. A: You seem to misunderstand me. Q: Can you distinguish for us between a ?war of position? and a ?war of movement?? A: I?ll make every effort to do so. Q: Bach?s Adagio in G, sir, who wrote it? A: Let me get back to you on that. Q: Is the power to limit auto-emissions the power to destroy? A: Rarely, despite its own problems. Q: How nicely you put it. A: Cultural superiority is on the wane. Q: Why does philosopical thought remain the exception? A: And why not, sir? I ask you. Q: Are we parochial? Do we fear the unknown? A: None but ourselves, sir, can free our minds, as Marley said. Hal "If you have liver disease, tell your doctor." --TV drug commercial Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at gmail.com halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From JforJames Sun Jun 25 20:31:13 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:31:13 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] SALT'S US SHOP OPENS TODAY! 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But, we have grown-up from chubby, sticky- fingered toddlers to hardhearted pieces of walking jade. We have watch the world, our world, be twisted leaving us unable to hide behind our parents? one-way mirror walls. We were the children, innocent once, who avidly watched cartoons, while blowing bubble dreams into our cereal? We were your preteens working through the pieces of our broken families rising awkwardly on spindly lank legs we stumbled, tripped through facades and fads, faking our way to angst. We were your teenagers un-use to the hard leanness of our young adulthood. Unafraid of a violent world that had come to cradle us. We were the ones who mixed self-mutilation with fear and sex who made piercings, tattoos, and scars signs of beauty. We were the ones who learned to cautiously watch our classmates for swift changes in mood we?d learned to be afraid or ourselves, we were already afraid of our world So, that if now, we do not smooth easily into your waiting hugs it is not because we love you less, but because we have learned to protect us more. From chan_jt Mon Jun 26 20:59:00 2006 From: chan_jt (JT Chan) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:59:00 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] new issue of PoetrySz Message-ID: hi, Issue 20 of PoetrySz: demystifying mental illness is now online at http://poetrysz.blogspot.com . It features work by Japanese cyberpunk writer Kenji Siratori, Australian poet Christopher Kelen, English poet Christopher Barnes, and New Zealand expat singer-songwriter/poet Ben Kemp. Submissions for subsequent issues are welcome. Send 4-6 poems, along with a short bio, in the body of your email to poetrysz at yahoo.com . Thanks. regards Jill Chan editor, PoetrySz http://poetrysz.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ Looking for love? Check out XtraMSN Personals http://xtramsn.match.com/match/mt.cfm?pg=channel&tcid=200731 From JforJames Wed Jun 28 02:40:51 2006 From: JforJames (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:40:51 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Pulitzer Prize-winning local poet Claudia Emerson Message-ID: <313.758416a.31d37e73@aol.com> _http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/062006/06272006/201075_ (http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/062006/06272006/201075) profile and interview with Pulitzer Prize-winning local poet Claudia Emerson Date published: 6/27/2006 By JORDAN McDANIEL YOUTH CORRESPONDENT EW WILL EVER KNOW what it's like to go from small-town college professor one day to Pulitzer Prize-winning poet the next. But such is reality for Claudia Emerson, who won what many consider to be poetry's top honor earlier this year--somewhat unexpectedly, at least for her. "I was thrilled and absolutely surprised," said Emerson in a recent interview with MyLine. Emerson began her writing career while in high school, as editor of the Chatham Hall newspaper. She graduated from the University of Virginia in 1979 with a bachelor's degree in English. In 1991, she received her Master of Fine Arts degree from the University of North Carolina-Greensboro. English always came easy for Emerson. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes Wed Jun 28 07:09:45 2006 From: AlMaginnes (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:09:45 EDT Subject: [New-Poetry] Pulitzer Prize-winning local poet Claudia Emerson Message-ID: <3f3.4c64b04.31d3bd79@aol.com> Thanks, James. I'm still thrilled beyond words for my friend. In a message dated 6/28/2006 2:41:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JforJames at aol.com writes: _http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/062006/06272006/201075_ (http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/062006/06272006/201075) profile and interview with Pulitzer Prize-winning local poet Claudia Emerson Date published: 6/27/2006 By JORDAN McDANIEL YOUTH CORRESPONDENT EW WILL EVER KNOW what it's like to go from small-town college professor one day to Pulitzer Prize-winning poet the next. But such is reality for Claudia Emerson, who won what many consider to be poetry's top honor earlier this year--somewhat unexpectedly, at least for her. "I was thrilled and absolutely surprised," said Emerson in a recent interview with MyLine. Emerson began her writing career while in high school, as editor of the Chatham Hall newspaper. She graduated from the University of Virginia in 1979 with a bachelor's degree in English. In 1991, she received her Master of Fine Arts degree from the University of North Carolina-Greensboro. English always came easy for Emerson. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lattaj Wed Jun 28 10:24:33 2006 From: lattaj (John Latta) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] Blogland Note In-Reply-To: <449D2291.4010200@ull.es> References: <449D2291.4010200@ull.es> Message-ID: After two earlier escapades into (and back out of) Blogland, I am returning for another go-around (ambuscade). The new one is found at http://isola-di-rifiuti.blogspot.com/ It is called Isola di Rifiuti. Its propensity is toward "Notes, Poetics, Trouvailles, Photographs, Malarkey, & Guff," or so it claims. No hit-counters, no trackbackers, no hegemony-building. 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But over the last several hundred years as the rich became progressively richer and the poor poorer, the quarter has degenerated into a decayed and disease ridden slum." - http://www.armageddon.org/intro/rinth.html ergo: lab(o((rat))ory)rinth(ian) -- Jim ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ From anny.ballardini Thu Jun 29 06:52:10 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:52:10 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker References: <366.665dbef.31cc200f@aol.com> <001001c69650$33012160$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <011901c69b6a$12980870$cb2bb750@ANNY> Hi dear Tad, and Al and Chermaine Mary found it, thank you. And sorry for all your trouble, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker I should be able to find it then. I remember that issue. ----- Original Message ----- From: AlMaginnes at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker It was in hte summer fiction issue that came out a few weeks ago. It's by Samuel Hynes and is about his traveling to visit Pound when he was a Marine flight instructor (I just read the article at the gym this morning). 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I remember that issue. ----- Original Message ----- From: AlMaginnes at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Pound and the New Yorker It was in hte summer fiction issue that came out a few weeks ago. It's by Samuel Hynes and is about his traveling to visit Pound when he was a Marine flight instructor (I just read the article at the gym this morning). 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I would be very happy to have you on the POets' Corner, whenever you feel like, take care, Anny Ballardini ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Latta" To: "UB Poetics discussion group" Cc: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Blogland Note > > After two earlier escapades into (and back out of) Blogland, I am > returning for another go-around (ambuscade). > > The new one is found at > > http://isola-di-rifiuti.blogspot.com/ > > It is called Isola di Rifiuti. > > Its propensity is toward "Notes, Poetics, Trouvailles, Photographs, > Malarkey, & Guff," or so it claims. > > No hit-counters, no trackbackers, no hegemony-building. > > Lately, I'm reading Peter Weiss's terrific _Aesthetics of Resistance_. > > John Latta > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From amyhappens Thu Jun 29 13:17:22 2006 From: amyhappens (amy king) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [New-Poetry] You'll Know Me By My Poetry - Feiner, Myers, and Applegate In-Reply-To: <20060623223241.5589.qmail@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060629171722.89151.qmail@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MiPOesias TOMORROW -- Get your Friday night groove hotwired right with Corie Feiner, Gina Myers, and David Applegate: July 30th @ Stain Bar -- 7PM Williamsburg, Brooklyn Poet and performer, Corie Feiner (nee Herman) delivers her work with intensity, humor, and skill. Called "wonderful" by The New York Times, and "captivating," by Backstage Magazine; she has been featured in The Riverdale Press, the Greenwhich Times, and on WNBC for her extraordinary performances and poetry workshops. In addition to being a cast member of the renowned theatre troupe, Storahtelling she is the author of the poetry collection, Radishes into Roses, and has been published in numerous literary magazines and anthologies. You can reach her though her web site: http://www.coriefeiner.com. Gina Myers is originally from Saginaw, MI. She now resides in Brooklyn, NY where she co-edits 'the tiny' with Gabriella Torres. Her chapbook Fear of the Knee Bending Backwards is forthcoming from H_NGM_N, and a chapbook of collaborations with the poet Dustin Williamson, Power Lunch, is also forthcoming. David Applegate is a library clerk. He co-founded Bad Noise Productions in early 2006. Their first production, "Headless, nameless / Death hippie dub EP," a split text in the tradition of 7" hardcore records, will be available from http://www.badnoiseproductions.com in the very near future. A second production, the mysterious "Grammar Crisis," will appear during the fall of 2006. http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com/ stain bar 766 grand street brooklyn, ny 11211 (L train to Grand, 1 block west) 718/387-7840 http://www.stainbar.com/ Stain is a unique arts lounge that supports and sells local wines, beers, and coffee drinks. There will also be some sort of finger foods for your amusement, and I will be your host! See you there~ Amy King Managing Editor, MiPOesias (www.mipoesias.com) http://www.amyking.org --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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G?ransson) Nina Davies John Muckle Scott Thurston Stephen Vincent ROBERT SHEPPARD: INTERVIEW, POETRY AND PROSE ?Signature & Ethics? ? an interview ?The war had ended; it had not ended? ?September 12? - parts 13 to 16 'Natalia' - from Thelma ESSAY & COMMENTARY Nomad Odes: "Ostrich eggs nearly split in the blaze" ? an introduction to ?the suspended ones? Kierkegaard's Styles: The Sickness Unto Death ONGOING GERALDINE MONK CELEBRATION Embellishment ? opulence effects Follies: Monk & Goya BOOK REVIEWS Geoffrey Hill, Without Title John Kinsella, America Thomas Kinsella, Marginal Economy George Messo, Entrances Janet Sutherland, Burning The Heartwood Keston Sutherland, The Rictus Flag DOUGLAS OLIVER Not too late to join forthcoming Blog Symposium A Douglas Oliver Hyper-Link Crystal ? 32 Oliver links PLUS Projects Pink: Emily Dickinson & Volcanoes Laura Riding: Not Mystery But Pain Kenneth Koch's The Beverly Boys' Summer Vacation Alec Finlay's I Know A Poem The Field of the Cloth of Gold ? notes on signature, the shape of sex scandals, & shining capital in Henry VIII From anny.ballardini Fri Jun 30 02:58:41 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:58:41 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] the New Laureate from today's Writer's Almanac Message-ID: <005701c69c12$9f4dac90$0ba93452@ANNY> Poem: "The Farm" by Donald Hall from White Apples and the Taste of Stone. ? Houghton Mifflin Company. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) The Farm Standing on top of the hay in a good sweat, I felt the wind from the lake dry on my back, where the chaff grew like the down on my face. At night on the bare boards of the kitchen, we stood while the old man in his nightshirt gummed the stale crusts of his bread and milk. Up on the gray hill behind the barn, the stones had fallen away where the Penacook marked a way to go south from the narrow river. By the side of the lake my dead uncle's rowboat rots in heavy bushes. Slim pickerel glint in the water. Black horned pout doze on the bottom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: "kpaul mallasch" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] announcing ergo poetry > my last poetry website (started in 2000 or so) died earlier this week: > > http://www.mallasch.com/mug/ > > while it's not 100% yet, i'd like to invite all my poetry professor (and > poet!) friends to my new site Ergo Poetry where we're gonna try to make a > new kind of poetry community on the web. > > http://www.ergopoetry.com > > as i said, it's still a little 'klunky' at the moment, but i think it has > possibilities - especially if it's designed and built by lovers of words > such as us. > > would love to have some of you come aboard before we launch to the world > and open our doors in the next month or so. help me build the poetry site > you've always wanted! > > sincerely, > a humble word man, > a poet of streets and dreams, > k. paul mallasch > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini Fri Jun 30 14:55:11 2006 From: anny.ballardini (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:55:11 +0200 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: New sociology books from University of Minnesota Press Message-ID: <012801c69c76$b71ddf20$31ae3452@ANNY> New sociology books from University of Minnesota Press ----- Original Message ----- From: Stacy Lienemann To: University of Minnesota Press Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: New sociology books from University of Minnesota Press GUY DEBORD: Revolution in the Service of Poetry Vincent Kaufmann Translated by Robert Bononno University of Minnesota Press | 384 pages | 2006 ISBN 0-8166-4455-1 | hardcover | $29.95 The definitive biography of the author of The Society of the Spectacle and a compelling account of his war against inauthenticity. Writer, artist, filmmaker, revolutionary, and impresario of the Situationist International, Guy Debord shunned the apparatus of publicity he dissected brilliantly in his most influential work, The Society of the Spectacle. In this ambitious and innovative biography, Vincent Kaufmann places Debord's hostility toward the inquisitive gaze at the center of an investigation into his subject's diverse output-from his earliest films to his landmark works of social and political provocation. "Many people felt Debord could not be classified. Yet, this is what drew me to him most, the fact that he was unclassifiable, difficult to approach, dismissive of those who tried to describe him, and always willing to challenge them. I admire his art of defiance, his belligerent and melancholy poetics. He forces you to keep your distance, he deprives you of the convenience and hypocrisy found in what Baudelaire referred to, in the beautiful language of his century, as fraternal prostitution. I am neither Debord's equal nor his brother, but these may be qualities no reader can claim to have." -from the Introduction For more information, including the table of contents, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/K/kaufmann_guy.html GLOBALIZATION FROM BELOW: Transnational Activists and Protest Networks Donatella della Porta, Massimiliano Andretta, Lorenzo Mosca, and Herbert Reiter University of Minnesota Press | 336 pages | 2006 ISBN 0-8166-4642-2 | hardcover | $75.00 ISBN 0-8166-4643-0 | paperback | $25.00 Social Movements, Protest, and Contention Series, volume 26 An in-depth look at the Genoa G8 summit and the European Social Forum, from the protesters' point of view. Presenting the first systematic empirical research on the global justice movement, Globalization from Below analyzes a movement from the viewpoints of the activists, organizers, and demonstrators themselves. The authors traveled to Genoa with anti-G8 protesters and collected data from more than 800 participants. They examine the interactions between challengers and elites, and discuss how new models of activism fit into current social movement work. For more information, including the table of contents, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/D/dellaporta_globalization.html For more information on the Social Movements, Protest, and Contention Series: http://www.upress.umn.edu/byseries/social.html MESTIZAJE: Critical Uses of Race in Chicano Culture Rafael P?rez-Torres University of Minnesota Press | 272 pages | 2006 ISBN 0-8166-4594-9 | hardcover | $60.00 ISBN 0-8166-4595-7 | paperback | $20.00 Critical American Studies Series A major reassessment of how mixed-race identity affects Chicano culture and politics. Rafael P?rez-Torres reveals how race, historical memory, the body, and community have both constrained and opened possibilities for forging potentially liberating multiracial identities. Moving beyond the oppositions-nationalism versus assimilation, men versus women, Texans versus Californians-that have characterized much of Chicano studies, Mestizaje synthesizes and assesses twenty-five years of pathbreaking thinking to make a case for the core concerns of the discipline. For more information, including the table of contents, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/P/perez_mestizaje.html For more information on the Critical American Studies Series: http://www.upress.umn.edu/byseries/CAS.html HYBRID CULTURES: Strategies for Entering and Leaving Modernity N?stor Garc?a Canclini Translated by Christopher L. Chiappari and Silvia L. L?pez Foreword by Renato Rosaldo University of Minnesota Press | 328 pages | 2005 ISBN 0-8166-4668-6 | paperback | $22.95 Examines the threats to Latin American cultural identity in a global marketplace-now with a new introduction! When it was originally published in 1995, Hybrid Cultures was foundational to Latin American cultural studies. This now-classic work features a new introduction in which N?stor Garc?a Canclini calls for a cultural politics to contain the damaging effects of globalization and responds to theoretical developments over the past decade. "A rare combination of breadth and detail is brought to bear on the relations between tradition and modernity, and between local cultural phenomena and globalizing forces. The author's cultural and theoretical range is extraordinary." -Bulletin of Latin American Research For more information, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/C/canclini_hyb.html For information about examination copies, view our exam copy policy online: http://www.upress.umn.edu/ordering/examination.html For more sociology books, visit our website: http://www.upress.umn.edu/bysubject/sociology.html You are signed up for University of Minnesota Press E-news. If you wish to be removed from this list, please email lieneman at umn.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 8422 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kpaul Fri Jun 30 16:15:09 2006 From: kpaul (kpaul mallasch) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:15:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] announcing ergo poetry (fwd) Message-ID: <20060630151445.Q38635@kpaul.spinweb.net> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:13:34 -0500 (EST) From: kpaul mallasch To: TheOldMole Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] announcing ergo poetry more specifics? is the page loading? haha. sorry about that. my mistake. as i said, it's still in very early birthing stages: try this page: http://www.ergopoetry.com/poets/add_user.php thanks, kpaul On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, TheOldMole wrote: > Paul -- I can't sign up. > > Tad > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "kpaul mallasch" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 11:57 AM > Subject: [New-Poetry] announcing ergo poetry > > >> my last poetry website (started in 2000 or so) died earlier this week: >> >> http://www.mallasch.com/mug/ >> >> while it's not 100% yet, i'd like to invite all my poetry professor (and >> poet!) friends to my new site Ergo Poetry where we're gonna try to make a >> new kind of poetry community on the web. >> >> http://www.ergopoetry.com >> >> as i said, it's still a little 'klunky' at the moment, but i think it has >> possibilities - especially if it's designed and built by lovers of words >> such as us. >> >> would love to have some of you come aboard before we launch to the world and >> open our doors in the next month or so. help me build the poetry site you've >> always wanted! >> >> sincerely, >> a humble word man, >> a poet of streets and dreams, >> k. paul mallasch >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From bobgrumman Fri Jun 30 17:03:44 2006 From: bobgrumman (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:03:44 -0400 Subject: [New-Poetry] VISUAL POETS - If Yre In Seattle This Summer References: <319.65f71aa.31d6d933@aol.com> Message-ID: <013c01c69c88$cbd4bd00$38b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Thanks for this, James. I won't be in Seattle, but Like to keep up with what's going on there in vispo. Seattle is one of the two or three most active vispo cities in the US. And Nico Vassilakis is one of our leading visual poets. --Bob G. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] VISUAL POETS - If Yre In Seattle This Summer Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:50:45 -0700 From: Nico Vassilakis Subject: VISUAL POETS - If Yre In Seattle This Summer FIVE CONTEMPORARY VISUAL POETS Joshua Beckman Jen Bervin Mary Ruefle Robert Seydel Nico Vassilakis An Exhibition of Poetry as Visual Art. Organized by Wave Books. 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Jim's good friend James Jay and I are assuming the task of contacting as many of Jim's friends and readers as we can, so that the fewest possible individuals who knew and loved Jim will find out in ways that are not direct. It is to this end that James and I ask everyone who may know Jim's friends, particularly in the Midwestern United States and on the East Coast, to share contact information with us so that we may reach them. Jim had a tremendous effect on his students, lovers of poetry, and his friends. Thank you and please contact either James or myself by telephone or email. . . . . I could, in particular, really use some help in locating friends of Jim's from the Iowa workshop, circa mid- seventies, if anyone was involved at that time --? In love and with great sadness, Becky Byrkit 928-380-8682 James Jay 928-814-9313 Rebecca Byrkit Director, Northern Arizona Resource Center & Artspace Home of the Northern Arizona Book Festival 928-226-1633 or 928-380-8682 www.nazbookfestival.org 10th Annual Northern Arizona Book Festival, April 20-22, 2007 Mailing Address: NABF P.O. Box 1871 Flagstaff, AZ 86002-1871 Home: Northern Arizona Resource Center and Artspace 150 W. Dale Suite #6 Flagstaff, AZ ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james Fri Jun 30 17:55:06 2006 From: cervantes.james (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:55:06 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P. Jim Simmerman In-Reply-To: <4FC9D846-5AF3-4232-85E2-5E6CE9D33210@ripon.edu> References: <4FC9D846-5AF3-4232-85E2-5E6CE9D33210@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <648208b60606301455q9f7d460l264bf9eea455db7b@mail.gmail.com> Jim was a buddy. We are trying to get in touch with folks in the east and midwest who would want to know of this and would appreciate any help. Please let me know backchannel, or you can write to Rebecca Byrkit at rbyrkit at nazbookfestival.org She and Flagstaff friends will be organizing a memorial service for later in July. We especially need contact info for Bill Trowbridge, who was an old friend of Jim's. - Jim On 6/30/06, David Graham wrote: > > A forward from another list. > > > Friends, > > It is with the heaviest heart imaginable that I must share the news with you > that a great friend and brilliant poet, Jim Simmerman, has died. > > Jim took his own life earlier this week at his home in Flagstaff. He was > suffering from a lengthy and painful illness. > > Jim's good friend James Jay and I are assuming the task of contacting as > many of Jim's friends and readers as we can, so that the fewest possible > individuals who knew and loved Jim will find out in ways that are not > direct. > > It is to this end that James and I ask everyone who may know Jim's friends, > particularly in the Midwestern United States and on the East Coast, to share > contact information with us so that we may reach them. > > Jim had a tremendous effect on his students, lovers of poetry, and his > friends. > > Thank you and please contact either James or myself by telephone or email. > . . . . I could, in particular, really use some help in locating friends of > Jim's from the Iowa workshop, circa mid-seventies, if anyone was involved at > that time --? > > In love and with great sadness, > Becky Byrkit 928-380-8682 > James Jay 928-814-9313 > > Rebecca Byrkit > > Director, Northern Arizona Resource Center & Artspace > Home of the Northern Arizona Book Festival > > > 928-226-1633 or 928-380-8682 > www.nazbookfestival.org > > 10th Annual Northern Arizona Book Festival, April 20-22, 2007 > > Mailing Address: > NABF > P.O. Box 1871 > Flagstaff, AZ 86002-1871 > > Home: > Northern Arizona Resource Center and Artspace > 150 W. Dale Suite #6 > Flagstaff, AZ > > > > > > ========================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > Poetry Library: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/