From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Sat Jul  1 11:57:07 2006
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 11:57:07 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
Message-ID: <573.3ddff7.31d7f553@cs.com>

I just read on another list that Jim Simmerman has died.  I always liked his 
poetry.  Jim Cervantes, you knew him, didn't you?


> 
> >> Night of the Living Dead
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Fortunately the dead move slowly.
>> They?re dead. They?re all messed up.
>> The bad news is: they?ve got us outflanked,
>> outnumbered, bamboozled and on the run.
>> 
>>  Beat ?em. Burn ?em. They go up
>> pretty easy. But sure as shazam
>> there?s a passel more?groping
>> the grille-work outside the window,
>> 
>>  incorrigible salesmen with their feet
>> in the door. Their dead white feet
>> and what they?re selling?s no life-
>> time enrollment in dance academy,
>> 
>>  no new-fangled gizmo for tucking
>> the tummy, no minty elixir
>> for the heebie-jeebies.
>> Fair is fair. The dead are dead.
>> 
>>  But mainly they?re just like us:
>> doomed to redundancy, pushy
>> and scared, unlucky at cards, 
>> unlucky in love. Mainly
>> 
>>  the dead are the living in drag?
>> that?s one way to figure the gossamer
>> garb, the pancake make-up
>> that streaks down their cheeks.
>> 
>>  No wonder they stick to the dark.
>> No wonder the dead have so little
>> to say, no wonder they travel
>> in packs. No wonder they look
>> 
>>  on the living as meat, a raw 
>> ratio of protein to fat.
>> It?s what keeps the living
>> dead on their feet, dead
>> 
>>  tired, dead drunk in the dead
>> of the night. It?s stuck
>> as we get on our own quickened pulse.
>> It scares us half to life.
>> 
>>  
> 

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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 13:58:39 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:58:39 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
In-Reply-To: <573.3ddff7.31d7f553@cs.com>
References: <573.3ddff7.31d7f553@cs.com>
Message-ID: <648208b60607011058o1d3b68fbqed1f4700dcb064f3@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com <Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
> I just read on another list that Jim Simmerman has died.  I always liked his
> poetry.  Jim Cervantes, you knew him, didn't you?

Yes, since the mid-80s.  My daughter and grandkids live in Flagstaff,
so I'd run into Jim up there quite often, and then professionally as
part of the poetry & blues group that assembled for festivals and
bookfairs.

I think this had been coming for a good while.  Last year, for the
first time ever, Jim declined participating in our poetry & blues
group at the Flagstaff festival and other events.  Then, he'd had two
hip replacements and was facing yet another surgery.  He also stopped
responding to e-mails. I wrote to him not long after the AWP in
Austin, asking why he hadn't been there - he would have loved the
"music capital" of Texas.

And, I've heard from a friend in Flagstaff that he'd recently broken
up with a girlfriend in Tucson. Now, I've heard from my daughter in
Flagstaff that he'd recently re-written his will, bought a gun, and
gave away his dog, Bandit.  Clearly, he'd hit bottom and had his mind
made up.  What a stark contrast to the guy with a great sense of
humor, a great love for poetry, and a friend to many.


-- Jim

~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/


From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Jul  1 14:41:35 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 20:41:35 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
References: <573.3ddff7.31d7f553@cs.com>
	<648208b60607011058o1d3b68fbqed1f4700dcb064f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009401c69d3d$fb78ed50$f8de3052@ANNY>

I hope I am not sounding silly,
but this is so sad

Anny

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman


> On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com <Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
>> I just read on another list that Jim Simmerman has died.  I always liked 
>> his
>> poetry.  Jim Cervantes, you knew him, didn't you?
>
> Yes, since the mid-80s.  My daughter and grandkids live in Flagstaff,
> so I'd run into Jim up there quite often, and then professionally as
> part of the poetry & blues group that assembled for festivals and
> bookfairs.
>
> I think this had been coming for a good while.  Last year, for the
> first time ever, Jim declined participating in our poetry & blues
> group at the Flagstaff festival and other events.  Then, he'd had two
> hip replacements and was facing yet another surgery.  He also stopped
> responding to e-mails. I wrote to him not long after the AWP in
> Austin, asking why he hadn't been there - he would have loved the
> "music capital" of Texas.
>
> And, I've heard from a friend in Flagstaff that he'd recently broken
> up with a girlfriend in Tucson. Now, I've heard from my daughter in
> Flagstaff that he'd recently re-written his will, bought a gun, and
> gave away his dog, Bandit.  Clearly, he'd hit bottom and had his mind
> made up.  What a stark contrast to the guy with a great sense of
> humor, a great love for poetry, and a friend to many.
>
>
> -- Jim
>
> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/




From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Jul  1 14:58:58 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 20:58:58 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] my blog
References: <573.3ddff7.31d7f553@cs.com><648208b60607011058o1d3b68fbqed1f4700dcb064f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<009401c69d3d$fb78ed50$f8de3052@ANNY>
Message-ID: <00b201c69d40$68d2c8b0$f8de3052@ANNY>

I have some new pictures and some other things on my blog and a couple of pOms
if you wish to visit, tea is ready, with chocolate chip cookies (you get what the host likes...)

http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/

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From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Sat Jul  1 15:14:17 2006
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:14:17 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
Message-ID: <4c2.2e0abe1.31d82389@cs.com>

In a message dated 7/1/2006 12:58:57 PM Central Standard Time, 
cervantes.james at gmail.com writes: 
> X-INFO: INVALID TO LINE
> On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com <Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
> >I just read on another list that Jim Simmerman has died.  I always liked 
> his
> >poetry.  Jim Cervantes, you knew him, didn't you?
> 
> Yes, since the mid-80s.  My daughter and grandkids live in Flagstaff,
> so I'd run into Jim up there quite often, and then professionally as
> part of the poetry &blues group that assembled for festivals and
> bookfairs.
> 
> I think this had been coming for a good while.  Last year, for the
> first time ever, Jim declined participating in our poetry &blues
> group at the Flagstaff festival and other events.  Then, he'd had two
> hip replacements and was facing yet another surgery.  He also stopped
> responding to e-mails. I wrote to him not long after the AWP in
> Austin, asking why he hadn't been there - he would have loved the
> "music capital" of Texas.
> 
> And, I've heard from a friend in Flagstaff that he'd recently broken
> up with a girlfriend in Tucson. Now, I've heard from my daughter in
> Flagstaff that he'd recently re-written his will, bought a gun, and
> gave away his dog, Bandit.  Clearly, he'd hit bottom and had his mind
> made up.  What a stark contrast to the guy with a great sense of
> humor, a great love for poetry, and a friend to many.
> 
> 
> -- Jim
> 
Very sad to hear, Jim.  I guess it took me by surprise because his poetry 
(what I'd read of it--one book and a dozen or so poems elsewhere) was so 
consistently upbeat and often very funny.  I remember one poem, something like 
"Against Deconstruction," that was just a hoot.  I always figured I'd run into him 
eventually, dammit.  I guess he was friends with Joe Duemer too since they 
edited a book together.

Sam
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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 16:28:15 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 13:28:15 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
In-Reply-To: <4c2.2e0abe1.31d82389@cs.com>
References: <4c2.2e0abe1.31d82389@cs.com>
Message-ID: <648208b60607011328k4bf7019dt545c8c56d1aa4efe@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com <Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
> In a message dated 7/1/2006 12:58:57 PM Central Standard Time,
> cervantes.james at gmail.com writes: >
>  Very sad to hear, Jim.  I guess it took me by surprise because his poetry
> (what I'd read of it--one book and a dozen or so poems elsewhere) was so
> consistently upbeat and often very funny.  I remember one poem, something
> like "Against Deconstruction," that was just a hoot.  I always figured I'd
> run into him eventually, dammit.  I guess he was friends with Joe Duemer too
> since they edited a book together.

Yes, and I hope Joe has been on the list so that he at least knows
now.  I used to have his address but don't seem to have it now.

-- Jim

~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/


From tad at opus40.org  Sat Jul  1 17:31:38 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:31:38 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
References: <4c2.2e0abe1.31d82389@cs.com>
	<648208b60607011328k4bf7019dt545c8c56d1aa4efe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501c69d55$bc996bb0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress>

Joe's email address is on his blog, http://chujoe.net/  -- always worth 
reading. I know it's there for anyone to see, but I feel a little nervous 
about posting anyone's email address on a public list. But you can grab it 
from the blog.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp, Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman


> On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com <Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
>> In a message dated 7/1/2006 12:58:57 PM Central Standard Time,
>> cervantes.james at gmail.com writes: >
>>  Very sad to hear, Jim.  I guess it took me by surprise because his 
>> poetry
>> (what I'd read of it--one book and a dozen or so poems elsewhere) was so
>> consistently upbeat and often very funny.  I remember one poem, something
>> like "Against Deconstruction," that was just a hoot.  I always figured 
>> I'd
>> run into him eventually, dammit.  I guess he was friends with Joe Duemer 
>> too
>> since they edited a book together.
>
> Yes, and I hope Joe has been on the list so that he at least knows
> now.  I used to have his address but don't seem to have it now.
>
> -- Jim
>
> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry 



From duemer at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 22:07:19 2006
From: duemer at gmail.com (Joseph Duemer)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 22:07:19 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
In-Reply-To: <001501c69d55$bc996bb0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
References: <4c2.2e0abe1.31d82389@cs.com>
	<648208b60607011328k4bf7019dt545c8c56d1aa4efe@mail.gmail.com>
	<001501c69d55$bc996bb0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
Message-ID: <e8b111d70607011907u66c0573ct8d0350f6d0471d3b@mail.gmail.com>

I just heard about this. Jim & I were at Iowa together in the late 70s, then
worked together on Dog Music a decade later. I just don't know what to say
right now.

Joe

On 7/1/06, TheOldMole <tad at opus40.org> wrote:
>
> Joe's email address is on his blog, http://chujoe.net/  -- always worth
> reading. I know it's there for anyone to see, but I feel a little nervous
> about posting anyone's email address on a public list. But you can grab it
> from the blog.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp, Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
>
>
> > On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com <Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
> >> In a message dated 7/1/2006 12:58:57 PM Central Standard Time,
> >> cervantes.james at gmail.com writes: >
> >>  Very sad to hear, Jim.  I guess it took me by surprise because his
> >> poetry
> >> (what I'd read of it--one book and a dozen or so poems elsewhere) was
> so
> >> consistently upbeat and often very funny.  I remember one poem,
> something
> >> like "Against Deconstruction," that was just a hoot.  I always figured
> >> I'd
> >> run into him eventually, dammit.  I guess he was friends with Joe
> Duemer
> >> too
> >> since they edited a book together.
> >
> > Yes, and I hope Joe has been on the list so that he at least knows
> > now.  I used to have his address but don't seem to have it now.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
> > ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> > ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> > ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Joseph Duemer
Professor of Humanities
Clarkson University
[chujoe.net]
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From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Sat Jul  1 23:34:04 2006
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:34:04 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
Message-ID: <485.44287ed.31d898ac@cs.com>

In a message dated 7/1/2006 9:07:41 PM Central Standard Time, 
duemer at gmail.com writes: 
> I just heard about this. Jim &I were at Iowa together in the late 70s, then 
> worked together on Dog Music a decade later. I just don't know what to say 
> right now.
> 
> Joe

I'm sorry, Joe.  Jim Cervantes has some details.
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From kpaul at mallasch.com  Sun Jul  2 00:04:39 2006
From: kpaul at mallasch.com (kpaul mallasch)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:04:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] poets change the world. film at 11.
Message-ID: <20060701224827.T36392@kpaul.spinweb.net>

http://www.ergopoetry.com/poetry/read-poem.php?poemfor=49

quick thoughts.

not meant to spam -
but rather to span
the academic realm
of poetica in this,
the 21st century of
poetry that maybe
rimbaud (and rambo
in the 80s) caught
a glimpse of the
colours out of the
corner of their eye
but we have CSS and
can tame the words -
the poetry beyond the
words alone - to the
reader. not necessarily
the page anymore. or the
campfire from days of yore -
the poet going from town to
town to city - Magic Lanterns
not transferred to the world wide
web. and i ramble, but i also invite
you, yes you, to the poetry of the future
generations.

there is a community here which i haven't
reached out to maybe, but i
reach out now and ask
you to bring your
poetic self to
a watering
hole we
can make
the well
of (well
) ee st-
ature p-
oetry not
of apathy
or other
lines that
merely rhyme
and nothing else.

poetry is in our souls.

our blood. it beats -
with a rhythmn, with
a thing that has been
with us (us!) before
we even went from
fire to fire to
tell the tales.

do other poets
realize the
vastness
of the
intra-
web? my
own pet
name or
maybe
yours
too?

join us.

soon.

the poets,
perhaps for
the first time
in a very long time
are able to be connected
together with allegiance not
to the printers but to the read-
ers - each other - poets
conversing in a non-
linear way. weigh
it. join us.
speak to
us. re-
ad us.

heh.

little humor to
go out with.

21st century poet
appealing to the
ivory tower crowd
to let down the lines
and connect the dots in
some real (big) grand way
such as hasn't been done be-
fore. and therefore, the
official poet spokes-
person speaks from
some .org site.

meanwhile,
back at the
ranch, poetry
evolves with
the web, with
the vision of
poets from a-
round the gl-
obe. oh if so
and so wasn't
here, but th-
ey're not. fe
-ar not. are
not. is not.

connect the
virtual dots?

this is live poetry,
with mistakes and all,
raw from my mind to yours,
but with it i want to maybe
somehow gain the attention of
those others who see the word -
see poetry as something that
is good in the world.

stop by. we're starting
to congregate. it's
nice. really.

-kpaul
ergopoetry.com





From gmguddi at ilstu.edu  Sun Jul  2 00:26:37 2006
From: gmguddi at ilstu.edu (Gabriel Gudding)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:26:37 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] now on conchology blog
Message-ID: <44A74AFD.1050907@ilstu.edu>

http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/


-- TRANSACTIONAL GAMES -- AND POETRY


-- REGARDING THOMAS GRAY'S
"ODE ON A DISTANT PROSPECT OF ETON COLLEGE"


READING THE CLIMATIC ANTIPODES:

-- Links to Reading in the Caribbean

-- Pics of Reading in Buffalo


-- THE HYMN OF LOVINGKINDNESS

-- LITERARY NARCISSISM AND THE MANUFACTURE OF SCANDAL


http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/


From duemer at gmail.com  Sun Jul  2 12:57:03 2006
From: duemer at gmail.com (Joseph Duemer)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:57:03 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
In-Reply-To: <485.44287ed.31d898ac@cs.com>
References: <485.44287ed.31d898ac@cs.com>
Message-ID: <e8b111d70607020957t131109axe2a879a28243eae9@mail.gmail.com>

When Jim & I worked together on Dog Music, we gave the profits to our two
local animal shelters. Maybe those organizing the memorial would like to
suggest donations to the Flagstaff animal shelter or some other organization
& provide contact information. Just a thought.

Here is what I wrote about Jim just now on my blog:

I heard last night that my old grad school mate & *Dog
Music*<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312151136/sr=8-2/qid=1151858430/ref=sr_1_2/103-7703198-0663062?ie=UTF8>collaborator
Jim
Simmerman<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/192991864X/sr=8-1/qid=1151858430/ref=sr_1_1/103-7703198-0663062?ie=UTF8>has
taken his own life. Jim had suffered all his life from debilitating
arthritis & given that he was a natural athlete, he was constantly in pain.
Though we worked together on an extended project, Jim & I were not
particularly close, but I feel his loss acutely nevertheless. Jim was among
the most honorable & honest people I have known?any dishonesty, no matter
how small, deeply offended him, which could make him severe. His severity,
though, was always in defense of the good & the honorable. This attitude is
one of the things that made him a strong & effective member of the AWP
Board?I know because I served on that board shortly after Jim left it. We
are always shocked by suicide, but one thing I know about Jim is that even
this most radical & final act would have been taken in a state of
existential awareness. I know that he lived as long as he could. There was a
big storm here last night that broke shortly after I learned of Jim's death
& I will let that mark his death in my memory.



On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com <Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/1/2006 9:07:41 PM Central Standard Time,
> duemer at gmail.com writes:
>
> I just heard about this. Jim &I were at Iowa together in the late 70s,
> then worked together on Dog Music a decade later. I just don't know what to
> say right now.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> I'm sorry, Joe.  Jim Cervantes has some details.
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
>


-- 
Joseph Duemer
Professor of Humanities
Clarkson University
[chujoe.net]
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From cstroffo at earthlink.net  Sun Jul  2 19:43:18 2006
From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:43:18 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--
In-Reply-To: <44A74AFD.1050907@ilstu.edu>
References: <44A74AFD.1050907@ilstu.edu>
Message-ID: <95C14504-D587-4DC3-8A22-5060F8FB1A74@earthlink.net>


Hey, I got in a really good discussion the other day about Langston  
Hughes' blues poems
(and yes I know that he recorded quite a few of them) and their  
relationship to the blues lyrics
of, for instance, the folks above, or John Lee Hooker, Big Mama  
Thornton, Ma Rainey, etc---

And if anybody else here would maybe be interested in talking about  
that relationship here--
Does it matter that Hughes worked primarily in a different field (in  
the artistic specialization sense) than these other folks?
Is it somewhat analogous to the difference between, say, million  
selling hip hop artists today vs. a slam poet aesthetic which  
utilizes many devices of rap/hip hop?
Or, for that matter, even the difference between say Bob Dylan and  
Allen Ginsberg's songs?

There's alot of room for discussion (and, sure, bring on the "blues  
bashers" though I'm definitely trying to
avoid the tired argument "it doesn't stand up on the page" and will  
try not to engage it here if it comes up)--
Also, if anybody knows of any good essays on the subject---- 
specifically about Hughes and some of the other recorded bluesmen of  
the 20th C---that'd be a nice supplement, but I really am not a big  
fan of posts that just send LINKS
without any commentary as to why I'm supposed to check out the  
link......
a discussion might be nice (but be careful what you ask for, Chris---)

C



From tad at opus40.org  Sun Jul  2 23:15:44 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:15:44 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--
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	<95C14504-D587-4DC3-8A22-5060F8FB1A74@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <006c01c69e4e$f8fcc2b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress>

The great blues lyrics do stand up on the page, and I've taught them as a 
literature, and have a proposal for a book on the literature of the blues 
(any academic presses listening?) but what Hughes did was of a different 
order. It was different because "Negro music" was not considered real art --  
I mean, there wasn't even a debate over it. So Hughes was using the blues 
the way Ives or Copland used folk melodies -- with the sense that he was 
taking something that wasn't "art," and making "real art" out of it. I don't 
think Hughes actually believed this. But it was important to him and the 
other Harlem Renaissance artists to be perceived as artists and not folk 
curios, and this made a difference in the way that he wrote.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Stroffolino" <cstroffo at earthlink.net>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--


>
> Hey, I got in a really good discussion the other day about Langston 
> Hughes' blues poems
> (and yes I know that he recorded quite a few of them) and their 
> relationship to the blues lyrics
> of, for instance, the folks above, or John Lee Hooker, Big Mama  Thornton, 
> Ma Rainey, etc---
>
> And if anybody else here would maybe be interested in talking about  that 
> relationship here--
> Does it matter that Hughes worked primarily in a different field (in  the 
> artistic specialization sense) than these other folks?
> Is it somewhat analogous to the difference between, say, million  selling 
> hip hop artists today vs. a slam poet aesthetic which  utilizes many 
> devices of rap/hip hop?
> Or, for that matter, even the difference between say Bob Dylan and  Allen 
> Ginsberg's songs?
>
> There's alot of room for discussion (and, sure, bring on the "blues 
> bashers" though I'm definitely trying to
> avoid the tired argument "it doesn't stand up on the page" and will  try 
> not to engage it here if it comes up)--
> Also, if anybody knows of any good essays on the subject---- 
> specifically about Hughes and some of the other recorded bluesmen of  the 
> 20th C---that'd be a nice supplement, but I really am not a big  fan of 
> posts that just send LINKS
> without any commentary as to why I'm supposed to check out the  link......
> a discussion might be nice (but be careful what you ask for, Chris---)
>
> C
>
> _______________________________________________
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> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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> 



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From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:14:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] La Danza Empapelada -- Siren
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From rsillima at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  3 13:57:42 2006
From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:57:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog 
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http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/

RECENT POSTS

Naropa Notes

Michael Koshkin?s Ronald Johnson

A unique reading 
of The Men
by Lisa Robertson 

Preparing students for an MFA

Just what is genre?

Between self and other in poetry
(don?t teach the obvious)

Time in Allen Ginsberg?s Howl

Philosophy after Auschwitz is barbaric
(on poetry and philosophy)

Shutting down the comments box
at least for the time being

http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/




From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Jul  3 15:36:21 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:36:21 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] I feel...
Message-ID: <000c01c69ed7$f6783c70$d2ed3652@ANNY>

sick,

from Ron Silliman's blog:

Think for a moment of just what the problem is. If you read two books of poetry per week, you will fall behind in your knowledge of what exists and is out there to the tune of 3,900 books a year at minimum. Another way of putting it is that, at two books per week, you could read the poetry books published in the U.S. just in 2006 by roughly 2045. If you read a book a day, however, you can get it done by the end of 2014 or thereabouts. And then you could begin on 2007.



******

Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
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From jeff.newberry at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 16:35:08 2006
From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:35:08 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] I feel...
In-Reply-To: <000c01c69ed7$f6783c70$d2ed3652@ANNY>
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This kind of stuff just doesn't bother me.

Usually.

I understand where you're coming from--and there are times when I feel
deeply uneducated about my own art.  But, I'm also a musician, and there are
hundreds and hundreds of musicians that I've never heard--and that's just in
the genres that I like, jazz and blues.

So, I'll continue to read the poetry that I love; I'll continue to seek out
new poetry that I love.  And I'll continue to write poetry, for I love doing
so.

And with any hope, I'll have written one day a poem that someone, somewhere
thinks is essential to his or her understanding of the world.

I have a few of these myself:  Whitman's "The Open Road" comes to mind, as
do several of Dickinson's poems.  Mark Jarman's book *Questions for
Ecclesiastes* is important to me.  So is Forrest Gander's *Eye Against
Eye*.  I love Wendell Berry's poetry.  I love Morri Creech's book *Paper
Cathedrals*.  I adore Inger Christiensen's *Butterfly Valley:  A Requeim.*
Ditto John Donne and scores of others. I could go on here, but the point
that I'm trying to make is this:  these poets may not be on everyone's radar
as "good poetry."  But, for me, I love them.  I can write long, polemic
essays defending them as good poetry.

And I do believe that "good" and "bad" poetry exist.  I'm just not sure
(most of the time) how I'd define either.

Thanks, Anny, for forcing me to think through this.

By the way, I think that the quote you post comes from a wonderful entry in
which Silliman talks about the lack of knowledge most MFAs have.  He
suggests some very concrete ways to remedy this situation--but for my money,
I love his idea of requiring a critical essay (or perhaps a "historical"
essay--can't remember the term he uses) from MFA applicants along with their
manuscript submission.  One of the many reasons that I opted for the
Ph.Drather than the MFA is the sheer breadth of reading that I'm
having to do.

All the best to everyone on New Poetry.  Happy Fourth!

Jeff Newberry


On 7/3/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
>
>  sick,
>
> from Ron Silliman's blog:
>
>
> Think for a moment of just what the problem is. If you read two books of
> poetry per week, you will fall behind in your knowledge of what exists and
> is out there to the tune of 3,900 books a year *at minimum. *Another way
> of putting it is that, at two books per week, you could read the poetry
> books published in the U.S. just in 2006 by roughly 2045. If you read a
> book a day, however, you can get it done by the end of 2014 or thereabouts.
> And then you could begin on 2007.
>
>
>
> ******
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 16:36:19 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:36:19 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] I feel...
In-Reply-To: <000c01c69ed7$f6783c70$d2ed3652@ANNY>
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So that's why there are all those reviews of books.  Not.

- Jim

On 7/3/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
>
> sick,
>
> from Ron Silliman's blog:
>
>
>
> Think for a moment of just what the problem is. If you read two books of
> poetry per week, you will fall behind in your knowledge of what exists and
> is out there to the tune of 3,900 books a year at minimum. Another way of
> putting it is that, at two books per week, you could read the poetry books
> published in the U.S. just in 2006 by roughly 2045. If you read a book a
> day, however, you can get it done by the end of 2014 or thereabouts. And
> then you could begin on 2007.
>
>
>
> ******
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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>
>
>


From jeff.newberry at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 16:43:54 2006
From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:43:54 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--
In-Reply-To: <95C14504-D587-4DC3-8A22-5060F8FB1A74@earthlink.net>
References: <44A74AFD.1050907@ilstu.edu>
	<95C14504-D587-4DC3-8A22-5060F8FB1A74@earthlink.net>
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Hi Chris,

Good questions.  Like Tad, I've used blues lyrics in the classroom, and for
me, they do hold up on the page--though as you point out, that argument is
moot and trite.

I'm trying to think of some contemporary poets who've adopted "popular"
(note my scare quotes) genres for "artistic" reasons.  Kevin Young's *Black
Mariah* comes to mind, a book in which (I think) Young uses the conventions
of film noir.  I've not read it, so I don't know how he uses said
conventions--if he tries to subvert them in some way or if he puts them to
work illuminating or illustrating some point.

A poet I've written about before, Tom Hunley, comes to mind, as well.  Even
moreso than, say, Billy Collins, Hunley seems to draw as much inspiration
from stand-up comics as he does poetry.  He studied with David Kirby down at
FSU, so his poems have that same "talky" quality that Kirby's have.  I think
that our own David Graham wrote an essay about this a while back--was it in
the VPR, David?

I've also said before that I'm a fan of some hip-hop.  The stuff that sells,
the MTV stuff, isn't my can o' beer.  But, I do like hip-hop lyricists who
use language in interesting ways.  I like an Atlanta-based rapper who calls
himself MF Doom.  I also like a guy named Paul Barman.  Both of these guys
do radical things in their raps:  Barman even has one song (if I'm
remembering correctly) that's composed of lines of palindromes.  And
it rhymes.  I assume that there are poets using this kind of hip-hop
structure (whatever that means), but I don't know who.

(On a side note, I wonder if any poets have tried to use "sampling" in thier
writing--you know, the way Grandmaster Flash--among others--has used bits
and pieces of other songs to create something new.  Art from art.)

I'll give some more thought to Hughes and try to post my thoughts.

Thanks Chris.

Jeff Newberry


On 7/2/06, Chris Stroffolino <cstroffo at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hey, I got in a really good discussion the other day about Langston
> Hughes' blues poems
> (and yes I know that he recorded quite a few of them) and their
> relationship to the blues lyrics
> of, for instance, the folks above, or John Lee Hooker, Big Mama
> Thornton, Ma Rainey, etc---
>
> And if anybody else here would maybe be interested in talking about
> that relationship here--
> Does it matter that Hughes worked primarily in a different field (in
> the artistic specialization sense) than these other folks?
> Is it somewhat analogous to the difference between, say, million
> selling hip hop artists today vs. a slam poet aesthetic which
> utilizes many devices of rap/hip hop?
> Or, for that matter, even the difference between say Bob Dylan and
> Allen Ginsberg's songs?
>
> There's alot of room for discussion (and, sure, bring on the "blues
> bashers" though I'm definitely trying to
> avoid the tired argument "it doesn't stand up on the page" and will
> try not to engage it here if it comes up)--
> Also, if anybody knows of any good essays on the subject----
> specifically about Hughes and some of the other recorded bluesmen of
> the 20th C---that'd be a nice supplement, but I really am not a big
> fan of posts that just send LINKS
> without any commentary as to why I'm supposed to check out the
> link......
> a discussion might be nice (but be careful what you ask for, Chris---)
>
> C
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>



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From tad at opus40.org  Mon Jul  3 20:29:13 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:29:13 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--
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	<731bb17a0607031343o3c9c96d5n3db25edc80939dcc@mail.gmail.com>
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The best film noir poet was Kenneth Fearing.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Newberry 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp, Views 
  Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--


  Hi Chris,

  Good questions.  Like Tad, I've used blues lyrics in the classroom, and for me, they do hold up on the page--though as you point out, that argument is moot and trite.

  I'm trying to think of some contemporary poets who've adopted "popular" (note my scare quotes) genres for "artistic" reasons.  Kevin Young's *Black Mariah* comes to mind, a book in which (I think) Young uses the conventions of film noir.  I've not read it, so I don't know how he uses said conventions--if he tries to subvert them in some way or if he puts them to work illuminating or illustrating some point. 

  A poet I've written about before, Tom Hunley, comes to mind, as well.  Even moreso than, say, Billy Collins, Hunley seems to draw as much inspiration from stand-up comics as he does poetry.  He studied with David Kirby down at FSU, so his poems have that same "talky" quality that Kirby's have.  I think that our own David Graham wrote an essay about this a while back--was it in the VPR, David?  

  I've also said before that I'm a fan of some hip-hop.  The stuff that sells, the MTV stuff, isn't my can o' beer.  But, I do like hip-hop lyricists who use language in interesting ways.  I like an Atlanta-based rapper who calls himself MF Doom.  I also like a guy named Paul Barman.  Both of these guys do radical things in their raps:  Barman even has one song (if I'm remembering correctly) that's composed of lines of palindromes.  And it rhymes.  I assume that there are poets using this kind of hip-hop structure (whatever that means), but I don't know who.  

  (On a side note, I wonder if any poets have tried to use "sampling" in thier writing--you know, the way Grandmaster Flash--among others--has used bits and pieces of other songs to create something new.  Art from art.) 

  I'll give some more thought to Hughes and try to post my thoughts.

  Thanks Chris.

  Jeff Newberry

   
  On 7/2/06, Chris Stroffolino <cstroffo at earthlink.net> wrote: 

    Hey, I got in a really good discussion the other day about Langston
    Hughes' blues poems
    (and yes I know that he recorded quite a few of them) and their 
    relationship to the blues lyrics
    of, for instance, the folks above, or John Lee Hooker, Big Mama
    Thornton, Ma Rainey, etc---

    And if anybody else here would maybe be interested in talking about
    that relationship here-- 
    Does it matter that Hughes worked primarily in a different field (in
    the artistic specialization sense) than these other folks?
    Is it somewhat analogous to the difference between, say, million
    selling hip hop artists today vs. a slam poet aesthetic which 
    utilizes many devices of rap/hip hop?
    Or, for that matter, even the difference between say Bob Dylan and
    Allen Ginsberg's songs?

    There's alot of room for discussion (and, sure, bring on the "blues
    bashers" though I'm definitely trying to
    avoid the tired argument "it doesn't stand up on the page" and will
    try not to engage it here if it comes up)--
    Also, if anybody knows of any good essays on the subject---- 
    specifically about Hughes and some of the other recorded bluesmen of
    the 20th C---that'd be a nice supplement, but I really am not a big
    fan of posts that just send LINKS
    without any commentary as to why I'm supposed to check out the 
    link......
    a discussion might be nice (but be careful what you ask for, Chris---)

    C

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From chris.lott at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 03:26:58 2006
From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 23:26:58 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] I feel...
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I read that the number was closer to 6000+, and that's not even
counting many, MANY small presses. Better get cracking :)

c


From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Tue Jul  4 07:12:44 2006
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 07:12:44 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] I feel...
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	<731bb17a0607031335n754689edq1ce3892a8f3a3b01@mail.gmail.com>
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As I keep saying into no ears at all, apparently, it's not how many poets one doesn't know, it's how many varieties of poetry one doesn't know, or doesn't know more than names for.  That's what should bother most people who post here, Anny extremely excepted, but doesn't.  Because mainstream poetry is the only kind that is important.

--Bob G.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Newberry 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views 
  Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I feel...


  This kind of stuff just doesn't bother me.  

  Usually.

  I understand where you're coming from--and there are times when I feel deeply uneducated about my own art.  But, I'm also a musician, and there are hundreds and hundreds of musicians that I've never heard--and that's just in the genres that I like, jazz and blues.  

  So, I'll continue to read the poetry that I love; I'll continue to seek out new poetry that I love.  And I'll continue to write poetry, for I love doing so.

  And with any hope, I'll have written one day a poem that someone, somewhere thinks is essential to his or her understanding of the world.

  I have a few of these myself:  Whitman's "The Open Road" comes to mind, as do several of Dickinson's poems.  Mark Jarman's book *Questions for Ecclesiastes* is important to me.  So is Forrest Gander's *Eye Against Eye*.  I love Wendell Berry's poetry.  I love Morri Creech's book *Paper Cathedrals*.  I adore Inger Christiensen's *Butterfly Valley:  A Requeim.*  Ditto John Donne and scores of others. I could go on here, but the point that I'm trying to make is this:  these poets may not be on everyone's radar as "good poetry."  But, for me, I love them.  I can write long, polemic essays defending them as good poetry.  

  And I do believe that "good" and "bad" poetry exist.  I'm just not sure (most of the time) how I'd define either.

  Thanks, Anny, for forcing me to think through this.

  By the way, I think that the quote you post comes from a wonderful entry in which Silliman talks about the lack of knowledge most MFAs have.  He suggests some very concrete ways to remedy this situation--but for my money, I love his idea of requiring a critical essay (or perhaps a "historical" essay--can't remember the term he uses) from MFA applicants along with their manuscript submission.  One of the many reasons that I opted for the Ph.D rather than the MFA is the sheer breadth of reading that I'm having to do.

  All the best to everyone on New Poetry.  Happy Fourth!

  Jeff Newberry

   
  On 7/3/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote: 
    sick,

    from Ron Silliman's blog:

    Think for a moment of just what the problem is. If you read two books of poetry per week, you will fall behind in your knowledge of what exists and is out there to the tune of 3,900 books a year at minimum. Another way of putting it is that, at two books per week, you could read the poetry books published in the U.S. just in 2006 by roughly 2045. If you read a book a day, however, you can get it done by the end of 2014 or thereabouts. And then you could begin on 2007. 



    ******

    Anny Ballardini
    http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
    http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
    http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html 
    I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
    Friedrich Nietzsche 


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Tue Jul  4 07:31:51 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:31:51 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] I feel...
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I loved the idea of you saying into no ears at all,
and thank you for the extremely excepted for me, 
I am privileged in this most beautiful day of July, finally and momentarily off _but off, thus not sick but in full health

happiest holiday 
Anny
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Grumman 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I feel...


  As I keep saying into no ears at all, apparently, it's not how many poets one doesn't know, it's how many varieties of poetry one doesn't know, or doesn't know more than names for.  That's what should bother most people who post here, Anny extremely excepted, but doesn't.  Because mainstream poetry is the only kind that is important.

  --Bob G.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jeff Newberry 
    To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views 
    Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:35 PM
    Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I feel...


    This kind of stuff just doesn't bother me.  

    Usually.

    I understand where you're coming from--and there are times when I feel deeply uneducated about my own art.  But, I'm also a musician, and there are hundreds and hundreds of musicians that I've never heard--and that's just in the genres that I like, jazz and blues.  

    So, I'll continue to read the poetry that I love; I'll continue to seek out new poetry that I love.  And I'll continue to write poetry, for I love doing so.

    And with any hope, I'll have written one day a poem that someone, somewhere thinks is essential to his or her understanding of the world.

    I have a few of these myself:  Whitman's "The Open Road" comes to mind, as do several of Dickinson's poems.  Mark Jarman's book *Questions for Ecclesiastes* is important to me.  So is Forrest Gander's *Eye Against Eye*.  I love Wendell Berry's poetry.  I love Morri Creech's book *Paper Cathedrals*.  I adore Inger Christiensen's *Butterfly Valley:  A Requeim.*  Ditto John Donne and scores of others. I could go on here, but the point that I'm trying to make is this:  these poets may not be on everyone's radar as "good poetry."  But, for me, I love them.  I can write long, polemic essays defending them as good poetry.  

    And I do believe that "good" and "bad" poetry exist.  I'm just not sure (most of the time) how I'd define either.

    Thanks, Anny, for forcing me to think through this.

    By the way, I think that the quote you post comes from a wonderful entry in which Silliman talks about the lack of knowledge most MFAs have.  He suggests some very concrete ways to remedy this situation--but for my money, I love his idea of requiring a critical essay (or perhaps a "historical" essay--can't remember the term he uses) from MFA applicants along with their manuscript submission.  One of the many reasons that I opted for the Ph.D rather than the MFA is the sheer breadth of reading that I'm having to do.

    All the best to everyone on New Poetry.  Happy Fourth!

    Jeff Newberry

     
    On 7/3/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote: 
      sick,

      from Ron Silliman's blog:

      Think for a moment of just what the problem is. If you read two books of poetry per week, you will fall behind in your knowledge of what exists and is out there to the tune of 3,900 books a year at minimum. Another way of putting it is that, at two books per week, you could read the poetry books published in the U.S. just in 2006 by roughly 2045. If you read a book a day, however, you can get it done by the end of 2014 or thereabouts. And then you could begin on 2007. 



      ******

      Anny Ballardini
      http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
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      http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html 
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Tue Jul  4 12:01:37 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:01:37 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books
Message-ID: <002a01c69f83$21a017f0$2d7c3652@ANNY>

I am forwarding for Skip Fox, it seems his mails cannot reach New Poetry, maybe James knows why?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Skip Fox 
To: Anny Ballardini 
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: Numbers of Books


Numbers of books are interesting, although the figures seem high to me if underconsidered. How many vanity? How many micro-chaps? But most of all, if you were in a bookstore with shelves moaning under this "load," how many would be worth more than a brief perusal? One out of ten? You might quickly eliminate all of certain presses' work (which you could always reconsider if someone you respected, like Silliman perhaps, asked you to look again). But there are still hundreds of books which might bloom under your attentions. A bibliographer's nightmare. 

It seems more useful to consider number of poets and not think of statistics (you can scare people with number of poets this way as well if we consider merely the number of graduates from BFA, MFA and PhD programs with poetry dissertations per year across simply the United States). I've been reading for decades and have not run out of poets yet. I must have come across over two dozen new exciting poets this year, some which have been around for a bit and some who are just publishing their first book or two (like like Kimberly Lyons and Jenny Boully) . Yet I doubt that there are more than a thousand poets of real interest at this moment writing. Not even considering poets who are just beginning, that's still a lot,  . . . too much for me in this lifetime. Maybe someone like Silliman . . .? 

And that's my point. A bibliographer (which I was once) or an assiduous scholar of contemporary poetry might be very frustrated confronting such wealth. But a poet need not.

I remember exploring my home town library decades ago. I especially loved the fact that when I went into a new area, or "deeper" into the shelves, new worlds broke open at my feet. So many writers were worth all the time I might give them. To say it simply, that is the way it is with poets for me now. As experience and not theory, the number is wonderful. 

Silliman has employed himself as someone who takes a bibliographical/scholarly/poetic overview of the poetic world as it is happening. It's lovely that he does it no matter what one considers the results. I just think it's important to remember that there are other ways of look at this plethora. 

I believe we are living is one of the most exciting periods for poetry in all its diversities and multiplicities(including non-textual). There is always a slight regret when I come to an older poet for the first time or when I look at all the magazines, but this is minor compared to my delight of discovery and immersion in another new world.   

(The number of good poets certainly eliminates any need of reading careerist or stupidly derivative poetry.)
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From tad at opus40.org  Tue Jul  4 12:18:51 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:18:51 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books
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Does Skip have two email addresses? That happened to me for awhile -- actually it's the same address, but when I emailed through Outlook Express it registered one way, when I emailed through NetNation -- my website host -- it registered another, and the posts didn't go through.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anny Ballardini 
  To: New Poetry 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:01 PM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books


  I am forwarding for Skip Fox, it seems his mails cannot reach New Poetry, maybe James knows why?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Skip Fox 
  To: Anny Ballardini 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:38 PM
  Subject: Numbers of Books


  Numbers of books are interesting, although the figures seem high to me if underconsidered. How many vanity? How many micro-chaps? But most of all, if you were in a bookstore with shelves moaning under this "load," how many would be worth more than a brief perusal? One out of ten? You might quickly eliminate all of certain presses' work (which you could always reconsider if someone you respected, like Silliman perhaps, asked you to look again). But there are still hundreds of books which might bloom under your attentions. A bibliographer's nightmare. 

  It seems more useful to consider number of poets and not think of statistics (you can scare people with number of poets this way as well if we consider merely the number of graduates from BFA, MFA and PhD programs with poetry dissertations per year across simply the United States). I've been reading for decades and have not run out of poets yet. I must have come across over two dozen new exciting poets this year, some which have been around for a bit and some who are just publishing their first book or two (like like Kimberly Lyons and Jenny Boully) . Yet I doubt that there are more than a thousand poets of real interest at this moment writing. Not even considering poets who are just beginning, that's still a lot,  . . . too much for me in this lifetime. Maybe someone like Silliman . . .? 

  And that's my point. A bibliographer (which I was once) or an assiduous scholar of contemporary poetry might be very frustrated confronting such wealth. But a poet need not.

  I remember exploring my home town library decades ago. I especially loved the fact that when I went into a new area, or "deeper" into the shelves, new worlds broke open at my feet. So many writers were worth all the time I might give them. To say it simply, that is the way it is with poets for me now. As experience and not theory, the number is wonderful. 

  Silliman has employed himself as someone who takes a bibliographical/scholarly/poetic overview of the poetic world as it is happening. It's lovely that he does it no matter what one considers the results. I just think it's important to remember that there are other ways of look at this plethora. 

  I believe we are living is one of the most exciting periods for poetry in all its diversities and multiplicities(including non-textual). There is always a slight regret when I come to an older poet for the first time or when I look at all the magazines, but this is minor compared to my delight of discovery and immersion in another new world.   

  (The number of good poets certainly eliminates any need of reading careerist or stupidly derivative poetry.)


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Tue Jul  4 12:41:49 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:41:49 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books
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You are brilliant, I also sent from gmail.com and the mails never arrived, 
it could be, he will read this mail, 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: TheOldMole 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 6:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books


  Does Skip have two email addresses? That happened to me for awhile -- actually it's the same address, but when I emailed through Outlook Express it registered one way, when I emailed through NetNation -- my website host -- it registered another, and the posts didn't go through.


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Anny Ballardini 
    To: New Poetry 
    Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:01 PM
    Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books


    I am forwarding for Skip Fox, it seems his mails cannot reach New Poetry, maybe James knows why?


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Skip Fox 
    To: Anny Ballardini 
    Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:38 PM
    Subject: Numbers of Books


    Numbers of books are interesting, although the figures seem high to me if underconsidered. How many vanity? How many micro-chaps? But most of all, if you were in a bookstore with shelves moaning under this "load," how many would be worth more than a brief perusal? One out of ten? You might quickly eliminate all of certain presses' work (which you could always reconsider if someone you respected, like Silliman perhaps, asked you to look again). But there are still hundreds of books which might bloom under your attentions. A bibliographer's nightmare. 

    It seems more useful to consider number of poets and not think of statistics (you can scare people with number of poets this way as well if we consider merely the number of graduates from BFA, MFA and PhD programs with poetry dissertations per year across simply the United States). I've been reading for decades and have not run out of poets yet. I must have come across over two dozen new exciting poets this year, some which have been around for a bit and some who are just publishing their first book or two (like like Kimberly Lyons and Jenny Boully) . Yet I doubt that there are more than a thousand poets of real interest at this moment writing. Not even considering poets who are just beginning, that's still a lot,  . . . too much for me in this lifetime. Maybe someone like Silliman . . .? 

    And that's my point. A bibliographer (which I was once) or an assiduous scholar of contemporary poetry might be very frustrated confronting such wealth. But a poet need not.

    I remember exploring my home town library decades ago. I especially loved the fact that when I went into a new area, or "deeper" into the shelves, new worlds broke open at my feet. So many writers were worth all the time I might give them. To say it simply, that is the way it is with poets for me now. As experience and not theory, the number is wonderful. 

    Silliman has employed himself as someone who takes a bibliographical/scholarly/poetic overview of the poetic world as it is happening. It's lovely that he does it no matter what one considers the results. I just think it's important to remember that there are other ways of look at this plethora. 

    I believe we are living is one of the most exciting periods for poetry in all its diversities and multiplicities(including non-textual). There is always a slight regret when I come to an older poet for the first time or when I look at all the magazines, but this is minor compared to my delight of discovery and immersion in another new world.   

    (The number of good poets certainly eliminates any need of reading careerist or stupidly derivative poetry.)


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From halvard at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  4 13:06:26 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:06:26 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books
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Gmail allows you the option of changing the address
you're mailing from. I, e.g., can opt for either my
Gmail address or my Earthlink address. Check out
your preferences or settings there.

Hal

On Jul 4, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote:

> You are brilliant, I also sent from gmail.com and the mails never  
> arrived,
> it could be, he will read this mail,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TheOldMole
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books
>
> Does Skip have two email addresses? That happened to me for awhile  
> -- actually it's the same address, but when I emailed through  
> Outlook Express it registered one way, when I emailed through  
> NetNation -- my website host -- it registered another, and the  
> posts didn't go through.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anny Ballardini
> To: New Poetry
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:01 PM
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books
>
> I am forwarding for Skip Fox, it seems his mails cannot reach New  
> Poetry, maybe James knows why?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Skip Fox
> To: Anny Ballardini
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:38 PM
> Subject: Numbers of Books
>
> Numbers of books are interesting, although the figures seem high to  
> me if underconsidered. How many vanity? How many micro-chaps? But  
> most of all, if you were in a bookstore with shelves moaning under  
> this "load," how many would be worth more than a brief perusal? One  
> out of ten? You might quickly eliminate all of certain presses'  
> work (which you could always reconsider if someone you respected,  
> like Silliman perhaps, asked you to look again). But there are  
> still hundreds of books which might bloom under your attentions. A  
> bibliographer's nightmare.
>
> It seems more useful to consider number of poets and not think of  
> statistics (you can scare people with number of poets this way as  
> well if we consider merely the number of graduates from BFA, MFA  
> and PhD programs with poetry dissertations per year across simply  
> the United States). I've been reading for decades and have not run  
> out of poets yet. I must have come across over two dozen new  
> exciting poets this year, some which have been around for a bit and  
> some who are just publishing their first book or two (like like  
> Kimberly Lyons and Jenny Boully) . Yet I doubt that there are more  
> than a thousand poets of real interest at this moment writing. Not  
> even considering poets who are just beginning, that's still a  
> lot,  . . . too much for me in this lifetime. Maybe someone like  
> Silliman . . .?
>
> And that's my point. A bibliographer (which I was once) or an  
> assiduous scholar of contemporary poetry might be very frustrated  
> confronting such wealth. But a poet need not.
>
> I remember exploring my home town library decades ago. I especially  
> loved the fact that when I went into a new area, or "deeper" into  
> the shelves, new worlds broke open at my feet. So many writers were  
> worth all the time I might give them. To say it simply, that is the  
> way it is with poets for me now. As experience and not theory, the  
> number is wonderful.
>
> Silliman has employed himself as someone who takes a  
> bibliographical/scholarly/poetic overview of the poetic world as it  
> is happening. It's lovely that he does it no matter what one  
> considers the results. I just think it's important to remember that  
> there are other ways of look at this plethora.
>
> I believe we are living is one of the most exciting periods for  
> poetry in all its diversities and multiplicities(including non- 
> textual). There is always a slight regret when I come to an older  
> poet for the first time or when I look at all the magazines, but  
> this is minor compared to my delight of discovery and immersion in  
> another new world.
>
> (The number of good poets certainly eliminates any need of reading  
> careerist or stupidly derivative poetry.)
>
>
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From skip at louisiana.edu  Tue Jul  4 13:52:06 2006
From: skip at louisiana.edu (Skip Fox)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:52:06 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books
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Perhaps I can write from the office machine.

 

The Numbers of Books thread, of course, referred to the thread on the 3,900
(was it) poetry books published a year according to Silliman.  

 

Also noted a major error. I meant to say it's lovely that Silliman does
this, even if some disagree with the value. I think it's valuable, in fact,
but I don't usually read. Personal preference.

 

Really trying to see if I can post from here.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu
[mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Halvard Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:06 PM
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books

 

Gmail allows you the option of changing the address

you're mailing from. I, e.g., can opt for either my

Gmail address or my Earthlink address. Check out

your preferences or settings there.

 

Hal

 

On Jul 4, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote:





You are brilliant, I also sent from gmail.com and the mails never arrived, 

it could be, he will read this mail, 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: TheOldMole <mailto:tad at opus40.org>  

To: NewPoetry: <mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>  Contemporary Poetry News
&amp;Views 

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books

 

Does Skip have two email addresses? That happened to me for awhile --
actually it's the same address, but when I emailed through Outlook Express
it registered one way, when I emailed through NetNation -- my website host
-- it registered another, and the posts didn't go through.

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Anny <mailto:anny.ballardini at tin.it>  Ballardini 

To: New <mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>  Poetry 

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:01 PM

Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Numbers of Books

 

I am forwarding for Skip Fox, it seems his mails cannot reach New Poetry,
maybe James knows why?

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Skip Fox <mailto:fox.skip at gmail.com>  

To: Anny <mailto:anny.ballardini at tin.it>  Ballardini 

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:38 PM

Subject: Numbers of Books

 

Numbers of books are interesting, although the figures seem high to me if
underconsidered. How many vanity? How many micro-chaps? But most of all, if
you were in a bookstore with shelves moaning under this "load," how many
would be worth more than a brief perusal? One out of ten? You might quickly
eliminate all of certain presses' work (which you could always reconsider if
someone you respected, like Silliman perhaps, asked you to look again). But
there are still hundreds of books which might bloom under your attentions. A
bibliographer's nightmare. 

 

It seems more useful to consider number of poets and not think of statistics
(you can scare people with number of poets this way as well if we consider
merely the number of graduates from BFA, MFA and PhD programs with poetry
dissertations per year across simply the United States). I've been reading
for decades and have not run out of poets yet. I must have come across over
two dozen new exciting poets this year, some which have been around for a
bit and some who are just publishing their first book or two (like like
Kimberly Lyons and Jenny Boully) . Yet I doubt that there are more than a
thousand poets of real interest at this moment writing. Not even considering
poets who are just beginning, that's still a lot,  . . . too much for me in
this lifetime. Maybe someone like Silliman . . .? 

 

And that's my point. A bibliographer (which I was once) or an assiduous
scholar of contemporary poetry might be very frustrated confronting such
wealth. But a poet need not.

 

I remember exploring my home town library decades ago. I especially loved
the fact that when I went into a new area, or "deeper" into the shelves, new
worlds broke open at my feet. So many writers were worth all the time I
might give them. To say it simply, that is the way it is with poets for me
now. As experience and not theory, the number is wonderful. 

 

Silliman has employed himself as someone who takes a
bibliographical/scholarly/poetic overview of the poetic world as it is
happening. It's lovely that he does it no matter what one considers the
results. I just think it's important to remember that there are other ways
of look at this plethora. 

 

I believe we are living is one of the most exciting periods for poetry in
all its diversities and multiplicities(including non-textual). There is
always a slight regret when I come to an older poet for the first time or
when I look at all the magazines, but this is minor compared to my delight
of discovery and immersion in another new world.   

 

(The number of good poets certainly eliminates any need of reading careerist
or stupidly derivative poetry.)

 


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From r_loden at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul  4 20:37:36 2006
From: r_loden at sbcglobal.net (Rachel Loden)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:37:36 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] speaking of no ears
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I lost this poem for decades, recently found it again (by searching for the
first line and the last):


Orpheus in Greenwich Village

What if Orpheus,
confident in the hard-
found mastery,
should go down into Hell?
Out of the clean light down? 
And then, surrounded
by the closing beasts
and readying his lyre,
should notice, suddenly,
they had no ears? 


--Jack Gilbert

________________________________

From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu
[mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Anny Ballardini
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:32 AM
To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I feel...


I loved the idea of you saying into no ears at all,
and thank you for the extremely excepted for me, 
I am privileged in this most beautiful day of July, finally and momentarily
off _but off, thus not sick but in full health
 
happiest holiday 
Anny





From duemer at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 22:11:31 2006
From: duemer at gmail.com (Joseph Duemer)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:11:31 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
In-Reply-To: <e8b111d70607020957t131109axe2a879a28243eae9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <485.44287ed.31d898ac@cs.com>
	<e8b111d70607020957t131109axe2a879a28243eae9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8b111d70607041911y5125f6bei36768bbf62806ab8@mail.gmail.com>

Rebecca Byrkit just posted the folloing on my weblog:

<<Friends,

Small stuff, but Jim simmerman did not give away his dog Bandit?she died
four months ago. Also he did not, as Joseph D. says, "suffer from arthritis
his entire life" but rather for about seven years'. Not crucial, but James
(Jay, executor of Jim's estate and the person who found Jim) and I are
sensitive to accuracy at this crucial point, and the rumors are already
overflowering?
Thanks and more soon! may I quote Jim's and James' kind words about Jim in
my article with the Sun?>>

I would simply like to say, as someone who knew Jim much longer than Ms.
Byrkit, that Jim's arthritis was long-standing. He quit doing karate in grad
school because of it. If Ms. Byrkit is interested in accuracy, as she says,
she will not discount as "rumor" the testimony of a friend of long-standing.
Whatever other rumors may be "overflowing" Jim's physical pain for many
years is something that many of his old friends will attest to. Whether that
pain contributed to his suicide is anyone's guess, but the fact of that pain
should not be in dispute. So is it "small stuff" or a "crucial point"?
Frankly, I resent this attempt to take control of the narrative, especially
since there can be no reason other than selfishness to do so.

On 7/2/06, Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When Jim & I worked together on Dog Music, we gave the profits to our two
> local animal shelters. Maybe those organizing the memorial would like to
> suggest donations to the Flagstaff animal shelter or some other organization
> & provide contact information. Just a thought.
>
> Here is what I wrote about Jim just now on my blog:
>
> I heard last night that my old grad school mate & *Dog Music*<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312151136/sr=8-2/qid=1151858430/ref=sr_1_2/103-7703198-0663062?ie=UTF8>collaborator Jim
> Simmerman<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/192991864X/sr=8-1/qid=1151858430/ref=sr_1_1/103-7703198-0663062?ie=UTF8>has taken his own life. Jim had suffered all his life from debilitating
> arthritis & given that he was a natural athlete, he was constantly in pain.
> Though we worked together on an extended project, Jim & I were not
> particularly close, but I feel his loss acutely nevertheless. Jim was among
> the most honorable & honest people I have known?any dishonesty, no matter
> how small, deeply offended him, which could make him severe. His severity,
> though, was always in defense of the good & the honorable. This attitude is
> one of the things that made him a strong & effective member of the AWP
> Board?I know because I served on that board shortly after Jim left it. We
> are always shocked by suicide, but one thing I know about Jim is that even
> this most radical & final act would have been taken in a state of
> existential awareness. I know that he lived as long as he could. There was a
> big storm here last night that broke shortly after I learned of Jim's death
> & I will let that mark his death in my memory.
>
>
>
> On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com < Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 7/1/2006 9:07:41 PM Central Standard Time,
> duemer at gmail.com writes:
>
> I just heard about this. Jim &I were at Iowa together in the late 70s,
> then worked together on Dog Music a decade later. I just don't know what to
> say right now.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> I'm sorry, Joe.  Jim Cervantes has some details.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Joseph Duemer
> Professor of Humanities
> Clarkson University
> [chujoe.net]
>



-- 
Joseph Duemer
Professor of Humanities
Clarkson University
[chujoe.net]
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From duemer at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 22:19:58 2006
From: duemer at gmail.com (Joseph Duemer)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:19:58 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
In-Reply-To: <e8b111d70607041911y5125f6bei36768bbf62806ab8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <485.44287ed.31d898ac@cs.com>
	<e8b111d70607020957t131109axe2a879a28243eae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8b111d70607041911y5125f6bei36768bbf62806ab8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8b111d70607041919x49b27c1ct4ad99b5a0e906d7a@mail.gmail.com>

Ms. Byrkit informs me by email that she has known Jim for 27 years. She
disputes my version of the facts presented above & in my blog post. She
urges me to "be cool," which strikes me as fatuous advice, frankly.
Especially since she suggested that I was contributing to an overflow of
rumors about Jim. Clearly, she wants very badly to own the narrative.

On 7/4/06, Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rebecca Byrkit just posted the folloing on my weblog:
>
> <<Friends,
>
> Small stuff, but Jim simmerman did not give away his dog Bandit?she died
> four months ago. Also he did not, as Joseph D. says, "suffer from arthritis
> his entire life" but rather for about seven years'. Not crucial, but James
> (Jay, executor of Jim's estate and the person who found Jim) and I are
> sensitive to accuracy at this crucial point, and the rumors are already
> overflowering?
> Thanks and more soon! may I quote Jim's and James' kind words about Jim in
> my article with the Sun?>>
>
> I would simply like to say, as someone who knew Jim much longer than Ms.
> Byrkit, that Jim's arthritis was long-standing. He quit doing karate in grad
> school because of it. If Ms. Byrkit is interested in accuracy, as she says,
> she will not discount as "rumor" the testimony of a friend of long-standing.
> Whatever other rumors may be "overflowing" Jim's physical pain for many
> years is something that many of his old friends will attest to. Whether that
> pain contributed to his suicide is anyone's guess, but the fact of that pain
> should not be in dispute. So is it "small stuff" or a "crucial point"?
> Frankly, I resent this attempt to take control of the narrative, especially
> since there can be no reason other than selfishness to do so.
>
>
> On 7/2/06, Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > When Jim & I worked together on Dog Music, we gave the profits to our
> > two local animal shelters. Maybe those organizing the memorial would like to
> > suggest donations to the Flagstaff animal shelter or some other organization
> > & provide contact information. Just a thought.
> >
> > Here is what I wrote about Jim just now on my blog:
> >
> > I heard last night that my old grad school mate & *Dog Music*<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312151136/sr=8-2/qid=1151858430/ref=sr_1_2/103-7703198-0663062?ie=UTF8>collaborator Jim
> > Simmerman<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/192991864X/sr=8-1/qid=1151858430/ref=sr_1_1/103-7703198-0663062?ie=UTF8>has taken his own life. Jim had suffered all his life from debilitating
> > arthritis & given that he was a natural athlete, he was constantly in pain.
> > Though we worked together on an extended project, Jim & I were not
> > particularly close, but I feel his loss acutely nevertheless. Jim was among
> > the most honorable & honest people I have known?any dishonesty, no matter
> > how small, deeply offended him, which could make him severe. His severity,
> > though, was always in defense of the good & the honorable. This attitude is
> > one of the things that made him a strong & effective member of the AWP
> > Board?I know because I served on that board shortly after Jim left it. We
> > are always shocked by suicide, but one thing I know about Jim is that even
> > this most radical & final act would have been taken in a state of
> > existential awareness. I know that he lived as long as he could. There was a
> > big storm here last night that broke shortly after I learned of Jim's death
> > & I will let that mark his death in my memory.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com < Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
> >
> > >  In a message dated 7/1/2006 9:07:41 PM Central Standard Time,
> > duemer at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > I just heard about this. Jim &I were at Iowa together in the late 70s,
> > then worked together on Dog Music a decade later. I just don't know what to
> > say right now.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sorry, Joe.  Jim Cervantes has some details.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Duemer
> > Professor of Humanities
> > Clarkson University
> > [chujoe.net]
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Joseph Duemer
> Professor of Humanities
> Clarkson University
> [chujoe.net]
>



-- 
Joseph Duemer
Professor of Humanities
Clarkson University
[chujoe.net]
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Wed Jul  5 03:01:11 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:01:11 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] speaking of no ears
References: <000401c69fcb$36dc1bd0$230110ac@GLASSCASTLE>
Message-ID: <005001c6a000$ccd03880$f58e3052@ANNY>

Excellent poem and association,

From: "Rachel Loden" <r_loden at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:37 AM


>I lost this poem for decades, recently found it again (by searching for the
> first line and the last):
>
>
> Orpheus in Greenwich Village
>
> What if Orpheus,
> confident in the hard-
> found mastery,
> should go down into Hell?
> Out of the clean light down?
> And then, surrounded
> by the closing beasts
> and readying his lyre,
> should notice, suddenly,
> they had no ears?
>
>
> --Jack Gilbert
>
> [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Anny Ballardini
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views
>
>
> I loved the idea of you saying into no ears at all,
> and thank you for the extremely excepted for me,
> I am privileged in this most beautiful day of July, finally and 
> momentarily
> off _but off, thus not sick but in full health
>
> happiest holiday
> Anny
>




From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Wed Jul  5 03:06:22 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:06:22 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
References: <485.44287ed.31d898ac@cs.com><e8b111d70607020957t131109axe2a879a28243eae9@mail.gmail.com><e8b111d70607041911y5125f6bei36768bbf62806ab8@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8b111d70607041919x49b27c1ct4ad99b5a0e906d7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c6a001$85d1f9e0$f58e3052@ANNY>

Doubly sad.
It reminds me of a passage in the Idiot by Dostoyevsky.

  From: Joseph Duemer 

  Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:19 AM



  Ms. Byrkit informs me by email that she has known Jim for 27 years. She disputes my version of the facts presented above & in my blog post. She urges me to "be cool," which strikes me as fatuous advice, frankly. Especially since she suggested that I was contributing to an overflow of rumors about Jim. Clearly, she wants very badly to own the narrative. 


  On 7/4/06, Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
    Rebecca Byrkit just posted the folloing on my weblog:

    <<Friends,

    Small stuff, but Jim simmerman did not give away his dog Bandit?she died four months ago. Also he did not, as Joseph D. says, "suffer from arthritis his entire life" but rather for about seven years'. Not crucial, but James (Jay, executor of Jim's estate and the person who found Jim) and I are sensitive to accuracy at this crucial point, and the rumors are already overflowering?
    Thanks and more soon! may I quote Jim's and James' kind words about Jim in my article with the Sun?>>

    I would simply like to say, as someone who knew Jim much longer than Ms. Byrkit, that Jim's arthritis was long-standing. He quit doing karate in grad school because of it. If Ms. Byrkit is interested in accuracy, as she says, she will not discount as "rumor" the testimony of a friend of long-standing. Whatever other rumors may be "overflowing" Jim's physical pain for many years is something that many of his old friends will attest to. Whether that pain contributed to his suicide is anyone's guess, but the fact of that pain should not be in dispute. So is it "small stuff" or a "crucial point"? Frankly, I resent this attempt to take control of the narrative, especially since there can be no reason other than selfishness to do so. 



    On 7/2/06, Joseph Duemer < duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
      When Jim & I worked together on Dog Music, we gave the profits to our two local animal shelters. Maybe those organizing the memorial would like to suggest donations to the Flagstaff animal shelter or some other organization & provide contact information. Just a thought. 

      Here is what I wrote about Jim just now on my blog:

      I heard last night that my old grad school mate & Dog Music collaborator Jim Simmerman has taken his own life. Jim had suffered all his life from debilitating arthritis & given that he was a natural athlete, he was constantly in pain. Though we worked together on an extended project, Jim & I were not particularly close, but I feel his loss acutely nevertheless. Jim was among the most honorable & honest people I have known?any dishonesty, no matter how small, deeply offended him, which could make him severe. His severity, though, was always in defense of the good & the honorable. This attitude is one of the things that made him a strong & effective member of the AWP Board?I know because I served on that board shortly after Jim left it. We are always shocked by suicide, but one thing I know about Jim is that even this most radical & final act would have been taken in a state of existential awareness. I know that he lived as long as he could. There was a big storm here last night that broke shortly after I learned of Jim's death & I will let that mark his death in my memory.




      On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com < Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
      In a message dated 7/1/2006 9:07:41 PM Central Standard Time, duemer at gmail.com writes: 

        I just heard about this. Jim &I were at Iowa together in the late 70s, then worked together on Dog Music a decade later. I just don't know what to say right now. 

        Joe



      I'm sorry, Joe.  Jim Cervantes has some details. 



  -- 
  Joseph Duemer
  Professor of Humanities
  Clarkson University
  [chujoe.net]

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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 08:33:04 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 05:33:04 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
In-Reply-To: <e8b111d70607041919x49b27c1ct4ad99b5a0e906d7a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <485.44287ed.31d898ac@cs.com>
	<e8b111d70607020957t131109axe2a879a28243eae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8b111d70607041911y5125f6bei36768bbf62806ab8@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8b111d70607041919x49b27c1ct4ad99b5a0e906d7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <648208b60607050533s244f018na7fe7eb3d6678788@mail.gmail.com>

Please understand that several stories were flung out in the immediate
aftermath of Jim's death.  I don't think anyone wants to "own the
narrative" but that all of us close by are more concerned with word of
his death getting to all those who should know and with proceeding
with plans for a memorial.  I, for one, gave out a mistaken version of
what occured with Jim's dog, Bandit, as I was repeating what I'd heard
from a Flagstaff resident.  Rebecca Byrkit *had* told me last week
that Bandit had died three months earlier.  I'd forgotten that and
gave the latest, mistaken version.  My apologies.

There will be a memorial event in Flagstaff in August and I will
convey the details when they are certain.

- Jim

On 7/4/06, Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ms. Byrkit informs me by email that she has known Jim for 27 years. She
> disputes my version of the facts presented above & in my blog post. She
> urges me to "be cool," which strikes me as fatuous advice, frankly.
> Especially since she suggested that I was contributing to an overflow of
> rumors about Jim. Clearly, she wants very badly to own the narrative.
>
>
> On 7/4/06, Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Rebecca Byrkit just posted the folloing on my weblog:
> >
> > <<Friends,
> >
> > Small stuff, but Jim simmerman did not give away his dog Bandit?she died
> four months ago. Also he did not, as Joseph D. says, "suffer from arthritis
> his entire life" but rather for about seven years'. Not crucial, but James
> (Jay, executor of Jim's estate and the person who found Jim) and I are
> sensitive to accuracy at this crucial point, and the rumors are already
> overflowering?
> > Thanks and more soon! may I quote Jim's and James' kind words about Jim in
> my article with the Sun?>>
> >
> > I would simply like to say, as someone who knew Jim much longer than Ms.
> Byrkit, that Jim's arthritis was long-standing. He quit doing karate in grad
> school because of it. If Ms. Byrkit is interested in accuracy, as she says,
> she will not discount as "rumor" the testimony of a friend of long-standing.
> Whatever other rumors may be "overflowing" Jim's physical pain for many
> years is something that many of his old friends will attest to. Whether that
> pain contributed to his suicide is anyone's guess, but the fact of that pain
> should not be in dispute. So is it "small stuff" or a "crucial point"?
> Frankly, I resent this attempt to take control of the narrative, especially
> since there can be no reason other than selfishness to do so.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/2/06, Joseph Duemer < duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > When Jim & I worked together on Dog Music, we gave the profits to our
> two local animal shelters. Maybe those organizing the memorial would like to
> suggest donations to the Flagstaff animal shelter or some other organization
> & provide contact information. Just a thought.
> > >
> > > Here is what I wrote about Jim just now on my blog:
> > >
> > > I heard last night that my old grad school mate & Dog Music collaborator
> Jim Simmerman has taken his own life. Jim had suffered all his life from
> debilitating arthritis & given that he was a natural athlete, he was
> constantly in pain. Though we worked together on an extended project, Jim &
> I were not particularly close, but I feel his loss acutely nevertheless. Jim
> was among the most honorable & honest people I have known?any dishonesty, no
> matter how small, deeply offended him, which could make him severe. His
> severity, though, was always in defense of the good & the honorable. This
> attitude is one of the things that made him a strong & effective member of
> the AWP Board?I know because I served on that board shortly after Jim left
> it. We are always shocked by suicide, but one thing I know about Jim is that
> even this most radical & final act would have been taken in a state of
> existential awareness. I know that he lived as long as he could. There was a
> big storm here last night that broke shortly after I learned of Jim's death
> & I will let that mark his death in my memory.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com < Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/1/2006 9:07:41 PM Central Standard Time,
> duemer at gmail.com writes:
> > >
> > > I just heard about this. Jim &I were at Iowa together in the late 70s,
> then worked together on Dog Music a decade later. I just don't know what to
> say right now.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, Joe.  Jim Cervantes has some details.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > New-Poetry mailing list
> > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Joseph Duemer
> > > Professor of Humanities
> > > Clarkson University
> > > [chujoe.net]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Duemer
> > Professor of Humanities
> > Clarkson University
> > [ chujoe.net]
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Joseph Duemer
> Professor of Humanities
> Clarkson University
> [chujoe.net]
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
>


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~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/



From JforJames at aol.com  Wed Jul  5 12:00:19 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:00:19 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] What's wrong with 'Ron'?
Message-ID: <481.4a40fc2.31dd3c13@aol.com>

_http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0900entertainment/0050artsnews/tm_objectid=173
32294&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=welsh-poet-invented-an--s--in-his-init
ials-name_page.html_ 
(http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0900entertainment/0050artsnews/tm_objectid=17332294&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=welsh-poet-invent
ed-an--s--in-his-initials-name_page.html) 
Welsh poet invented an 'S' in his initialsJul 5 2006
Steve Dube, Western Mail


RS THOMAS has one of the  most famous sets of initials in Welsh literature, 
but he only invented the "S"  because he did not want to be known as Ron, it 
has been revealed.
 
He inserted the extra letter, which stands for Stuart, when he was still a  
child.
 
And by the time he became a student at Bangor University he became RS  
full-time because of the number of Thomases bidding for a place in the  university 
rugby team.
 
The revelations come in a new book by RS Thomas's old friend Byron Rogers,  
which will be published by Aurum Press on Friday.

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From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Wed Jul  5 12:10:23 2006
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:10:23 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] What's wrong with 'Ron'?
Message-ID: <352.292e644.31dd3e6f@cs.com>

In a message dated 7/5/2006 11:00:56 AM Central Standard Time, 
JforJames at aol.com writes: 
> 
> 
> http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0900entertainment/0050artsnews/tm_objectid=17332294&method=full&siteid=50082&
> headline=welsh-poet-invented-an--s--in-his-initials-name_page.html
>  Welsh poet invented an 'S' in his initialsJul 5 2006
>  Steve Dube, Western Mail
>  
>   
> RS THOMAS has one of the most famous sets of initials in Welsh literature, 
> but he only invented the "S" because he did not want to be known as Ron, it 
> has been revealed.
>   
>  He inserted the extra letter, which stands for Stuart, when he was still a 
> child.
>   
>  And by the time he became a student at Bangor University he became RS 
> full-time because of the number of Thomases bidding for a place in the university 
> rugby team.
>   
>  The revelations come in a new book by RS Thomas's old friend Byron Rogers, 
> which will be published by Aurum Press on Friday.
> 
> 
> 
I had to invent the R so I wouldn't be known as Sam.  But you all can call me 
Arse.
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From JforJames at aol.com  Wed Jul  5 13:17:52 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:17:52 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] Hot Whiskey 2 
Message-ID: <516.2ed8673.31dd4e40@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 02:07:53 -0600
From: "Hot Whiskey Press"  <hotwhiskeypress at gmail.com>
Subject:  Hot Whiskey 2
Dear  All,

Wanted to let everyone know that Hot Whiskey 2 is finally  out.

Includes poetry, prose and essay from:

Edward Sanders ? Dodie  Bellamy ? Travis Macdonald
Logan Ryan Smith ? Clayton Eshleman ? Michelle  McMahon
CA Conrad ? Susan Briante ? Anne Waldman ? Dale Smith
Ron Silliman  ? Adam Clay ? James Bertolino
Cover Art by Jim Behrle

Silk-screened  cover, 6 1/2 X 8 1/2",
saddle-stitch binding, 57 pages.
$7

To see  cover and/or obtain a copy, go to  www.hotwhiskeyblog.blogspot.com.

always,
the whisketeers
-- 
Hot  Whiskey  Press
www.hotwhiskeyblog.blogspot.com
www.hotwhiskeypress.com
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Wed Jul  5 15:49:11 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:49:11 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] the Poets' Corner
Message-ID: <003e01c6a06c$16833ed0$97a83852@ANNY>

 
Dear All,

 

An update for the Poets' Corner:

 

newly featured Poets:

 

David Bircumshaw

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=205

 

Ray DiPalma

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=206

 

Tom Orange

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=207

 

Skip Fox

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=208

 

Ingrid Wendt

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=209

 

Ralph Salisbury

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=210

 

Lesley Wheeler

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=211

 

 

New poems by already featured Authors:

 

by Grace Cavalieri

The secret Jew

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1518

Walking The Property

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1539

 

 

by Linh Dinh

My Local Burning

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1519

Investment Advices

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1520

Menu

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1579

 

by Richard Dillon

Loveland

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1532

 

by Fan Ogilvie

with a new updated bio:

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=709

LIGHTS, FLOORS, THE DOG PEN

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1533

WHALE WATCHING

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1534

TOWARDS THE FOREST

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1540

 

by Alan Sondheim

memories of Trilby, work and the incessant rhythm of desire

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1535

dervish

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1549

When I'm dead and I'm looking for my baby

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1580

 

by William Allegrezza

bits from Austin

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1536

with my hands

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1537

one opening

 http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1538

 

by Barry Alpert

MY FILM ISN'T LIKE MEDITATION

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1541

TALK, JONAS MEKAS

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1578

 

by Jill Jones

You can only see 

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1542

 

by S.K. Kelen

Hanoi Girls 

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1557

 

by Halvard Johnson

Splendid Hegemonies

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1573

 

And finally Sheila Murphy and Douglas Barbour with a few of their newer sections of their collaborative 
on-going poem, Continuations, the first 25 of which have just been published by University of Alberta Press (http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664):

 

XXXIV.

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1582

 

XXXV.

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1583

 

XXXVI.

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1584

 

XXXVII.

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1585

 

XXXVIII.

http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1586

 

 

Under Poets on Poets, some of my translations into Italian:

 

L'ebreo segreto di Grace Cavalieri

Camminando Sulla Propriet? di Grace Cavalieri

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=41

 

LOVELAND di Richard Dillon

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=37

 

Biografia . Fan Ogilvie

da LUCI, PAVIMENTI, IL CANILE di Fan Ogilvie

VERSO LA FORESTA di Fan Ogilvie

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=58

 

pezzettini da austin di William Allegrezza

con le mani di William Allegrezza

un'apertura di William Allegrezza

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=59

 

Biografia - Jill Jones

Puoi solo vedere di Jill Jones

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=60

 

Bio di S.K. Kelen

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=23

 

 

The main index:

http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content

The order of apparition reflects the order by which I received the contribution.

With my acknowledgement to all featured Authors, and with my best wishes,

 

 Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
Friedrich Nietzsche 

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From JforJames at aol.com  Wed Jul  5 17:33:42 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:33:42 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--
Message-ID: <4c2.366b6a3.31dd8a36@aol.com>

 
I'm sure there are a slew of poems based on Robert Johnson's life
and songs. One extended example comes to mind: 
Forrest Gander wrote a 'libretto' based on Robert Johnson's  life.
It appeared in one of his books of poems...a while back, I think a  book
from Pittsburgh Univ. Press.
Jim F
 
In a message dated 7/2/2006 7:43:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
cstroffo at earthlink.net writes:

Hey, I  got in a really good discussion the other day about Langston  
Hughes'  blues poems
(and yes I know that he recorded quite a few of them) and  their  
relationship to the blues lyrics
of, for instance, the  folks above, or John Lee Hooker, Big Mama  
Thornton, Ma Rainey,  etc---

And if anybody else here would maybe be interested in talking  about  
that relationship here--
Does it matter that Hughes worked  primarily in a different field (in  
the artistic specialization  sense) than these other folks?
Is it somewhat analogous to the difference  between, say, million  
selling hip hop artists today vs. a slam poet  aesthetic which  
utilizes many devices of rap/hip hop?
Or, for  that matter, even the difference between say Bob Dylan and  
Allen  Ginsberg's songs?

There's alot of room for discussion (and, sure, bring  on the "blues  
bashers" though I'm definitely trying to
avoid the  tired argument "it doesn't stand up on the page" and will  
try not to  engage it here if it comes up)--
Also, if anybody knows of any good essays  on the subject---- 
specifically about Hughes and some of the other  recorded bluesmen of  
the 20th C---that'd be a nice supplement, but I  really am not a big  
fan of posts that just send LINKS
without any  commentary as to why I'm supposed to check out the  
link......
a  discussion might be nice (but be careful what you ask for,  Chris---)




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From JforJames at aol.com  Wed Jul  5 17:40:06 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:40:06 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] From the Fishouse
Message-ID: <3f8.5cc02f0.31dd8bb6@aol.com>

 
>From the Fishouse: an audio archive of emerging  poets
New for July/August 2006:
    *   _A.J.  Collins_ 
(http://www.fishousepoems.org/archives/aj_collins/index.shtml)    
    *   _Chad  Davidson_ 
(http://www.fishousepoems.org/archives/chad_davidson/index.shtml)    
    *   _Sarah  Gridley_ 
(http://www.fishousepoems.org/archives/sarah_gridley/index.shtml)    
    *   _Gillian  Kiley_ 
(http://www.fishousepoems.org/archives/gillian_kiley/index.shtml)    
    *   _Rodger  LeGrand_ 
(http://www.fishousepoems.org/archives/rodger_legrand/index.shtml)    
    *   _Ken  Rumble_ 
(http://www.fishousepoems.org/archives/ken_rumble/index.shtml)    
    *   New poems by _Adrian Matejka_ 
(http://www.fishousepoems.org/archives/adrian_matejka/index.shtml)  
Bonus Poet:
    *   _Anne  Marie Macari_ 
(http://www.fishousepoems.org/archives/anne_marie_macari/index.shtml)  
Live Fishouse Readings:
    *   _Camille  Dungy at Portland Public Library_ 
(http://www.fishousepoems.org/archives/camille_t_dungy/camille_t_dungy_at_portland_public_library_april_
7_2006.shtml) , Portland, Maine, April 7, 2006   
    *   _Christian  Barter at Bowdoin College_ 
(http://www.fishousepoems.org/archives/christian_barter/christian_barter_at_bowdoin_college_may_4_2006.shtml)
 , May 4, 2006 
Upcoming:
    *   Charlotte Matthews  
    *   Anthony Walton  
    *   Nicholas Lin  
    *   and more...
News:
The Poetry Foundation is currently highlighting  Fishouse as their "_Featured 
Site_ (http://www.poetryfoundation.org/publishing/aroundtheweb.html) " Around 
the  Web. 




>From the Fishouse is a non-profit. We need your  support. _Please consider a 
donation  today_ (http://www.fishousepoems.org/support.shtml) . 


Thank you,


Matt


----
Matt O'Donnell
Editor & Executive Director
>From the Fishouse
_www.fishousepoems.org_ (http://www.fishousepoems.org/) 
_matt at fishousepoems.org_ (x-msg://29/matt at fishousepoems.org) 

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From jeff.newberry at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 17:58:18 2006
From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:58:18 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--
In-Reply-To: <4c2.366b6a3.31dd8a36@aol.com>
References: <4c2.366b6a3.31dd8a36@aol.com>
Message-ID: <731bb17a0607051458v68aa0c15jf89c7e5c63a49fe5@mail.gmail.com>

Terry Hummer's latest book, *The Infinity Sessions*, is organized as
"suites" (or, perhaps, sequences--though he won't call them sequences) for
different jazz and blues musicians.  Hummer took the poems' titles from the
titles of actual songs by these artists.

He came to one of my classes last term and talked about the sequence itself,
and how he felt that his suites weren't sequential at all.  He eschewed any
narrative reading of the poems--even telling us that the poems were inspired
by the songs and the musicians and not "about them."

My problem--or perhaps "problem" is too strong a word--my conondrum is that
the book rather begs for an autobiographical reading, in the way that it's
set up.  If I write "Suite for Jim Finnegan" and use the titles of Jim's
poems for my own titles, then you'd probably expect that the poems had
something to do with Jim's life, right?  Perhaps I'm a hard-headed reader,
but that's what I'd expect.

That said, I like the book, a lot.  Hummer has these little 12-14 line poems
that aren't quite sonnets but still, nontheless, seem to set up a
quasi-form.

Jeff Newberry


On 7/5/06, JforJames at aol.com <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>
>   I'm sure there are a slew of poems based on Robert Johnson's life
> and songs. One extended example comes to mind:
> Forrest Gander wrote a 'libretto' based on Robert Johnson's life.
> It appeared in one of his books of poems...a while back, I think a book
> from Pittsburgh Univ. Press.
> Jim F
>
> In a message dated 7/2/2006 7:43:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> cstroffo at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Hey, I got in a really good discussion the other day about Langston
> Hughes' blues poems
> (and yes I know that he recorded quite a few of them) and their
> relationship to the blues lyrics
> of, for instance, the folks above, or John Lee Hooker, Big Mama
> Thornton, Ma Rainey, etc---
>
> And if anybody else here would maybe be interested in talking about
> that relationship here--
> Does it matter that Hughes worked primarily in a different field (in
> the artistic specialization sense) than these other folks?
> Is it somewhat analogous to the difference between, say, million
> selling hip hop artists today vs. a slam poet aesthetic which
> utilizes many devices of rap/hip hop?
> Or, for that matter, even the difference between say Bob Dylan and
> Allen Ginsberg's songs?
>
> There's alot of room for discussion (and, sure, bring on the "blues
> bashers" though I'm definitely trying to
> avoid the tired argument "it doesn't stand up on the page" and will
> try not to engage it here if it comes up)--
> Also, if anybody knows of any good essays on the subject----
> specifically about Hughes and some of the other recorded bluesmen of
> the 20th C---that'd be a nice supplement, but I really am not a big
> fan of posts that just send LINKS
> without any commentary as to why I'm supposed to check out the
> link......
> a discussion might be nice (but be careful what you ask for, Chris---)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
>


-- 
"Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death."
                                                   --Miguel de Unamuno

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From JforJames at aol.com  Wed Jul  5 18:20:41 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:20:41 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] Wise men fish here....
Message-ID: <55b.19ffdeb.31dd9539@aol.com>

I was in a bookstore in Berkeley last week and one of  the titles
I bought was a book not much fatter than a typical collection  of poems.
(More and more I'm drawn to thin books...perhaps it's a  recurrence
of  childhood ADD.) Anyway, the book was  a very nice tribute to 
Kenneth Rexroth, with lots of quotes from Rexroth's prose and  poems
roughly  divided into thoughts on literature, philosophy and politics...
 
Quoted in _The Relevance of Rexroth_ by Ken Knabb,  published
in 1990 by the Bureau of Public  Secrets....
 
"Whoever wrote the little psalms of the Tao Te Ching believed  that the long 
calm regard of moving water was one of the highest forms of  prayer?Many 
sports are actually forms of contemplative activity. Fishing in  quiet waters is 
especially so. Countless men who would burst out laughing if  presented with a 
popular vulgarization of Zen Buddhism, and who would certainly  find it utterly 
incomprehensible, practice the contemplative life by flowing  water, rod in 
hand, at least for a few days each year. As the great mystics have  said, they 
too know it is the illumination of these few days that gives meaning  to the 
rest of their lives."?Kenneth Rexroth, ?Isaak Walton, The Compleat  Angler,? 
Classics Revisted

--
& requoted by one known to spend a few days each year out  on the fishing 
rocks
off Briggs Beach RI.
Finnegan
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From JforJames at aol.com  Wed Jul  5 19:02:57 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:02:57 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] Life of Anna Akhmatova
Message-ID: <307.77f03e3.31dd9f21@aol.com>

_http://www.powells.com/review/2006_06_15_ 
(http://www.powells.com/review/2006_06_15) 
Anna of All the Russias: A Life of Anna Akhmatova 
by Elaine Feinstein  
Fear and the Muse 
A Review by Michael Scammell 
 
One day in the fall of 1939, a tall middle-aged woman dressed in black  
slowly shuffled forward in a long line of hundreds of other women outside the  
Kresty prison in Leningrad. It was freezing cold, and like the others she was  
holding a package of food for an imprisoned relative, in this case her only son.  
He had already served a term of hard labor on the White Sea Canal, and was 
now  in another part of the gulag in the far north of Russia. Suddenly someone 
in the  line called the tall woman by name, causing a blue-lipped younger woman 
behind  her to start with surprise. "Can you describe this?" asked the 
younger one.  "Yes, I can," said the tall woman. "I can." 
 
 
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From oedipa at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 19:04:43 2006
From: oedipa at gmail.com (karen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:04:43 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--
In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0607051458v68aa0c15jf89c7e5c63a49fe5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c2.366b6a3.31dd8a36@aol.com>
	<731bb17a0607051458v68aa0c15jf89c7e5c63a49fe5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d1c74efd0607051604m62ac7533kbdeb050190037bfe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris-

We've met before in SF.  How are you?  And greetings to the list.  I'm
mostly a lurker.

Anyway, I love Hughes.  I think he does indeed stand up on the page.
Maybe it's because I live in Harlem for the time being. I keep
returning to his poetry over and over again lately.  It's really fused
to this place.  And everything that goes with it.  The frantic,
rhythmic activity.  The buses hissing down 125th.  The loud voices,
the boisterousness, the joy, the pride, the sorrow. Sometimes the
desperation to reach out and hold anything close that won't slip away.
 It all gets meshed together here in one big roaring experience.
Folks are pretty open about their moods.  People here remember you and
say hi.  There is a certain romance he captures while never forgetting
that hard stuff that makes Harlem's musical voice so unique, so tough,
and so tender.

And, no, I'm not much of a fan of slam poety, etc, etc.  But I try and
keep my mind open.  Still, I connect with Hughes.

One poem in particular that I've just been reading this week while
commuting to work on the D train is this one:

Juke Box Love Song

I could take the Harlem night
and wrap around you,
Take the neon lights and make a crown,
Take the Lenox Avenue busses,
Taxis, subways,
And for your love song tone their rumble down.
Take Harlem's heartbeat,
Make a drumbeat,
Put it on a record, let it whirl,
And while we listen to it play,
Dance with you till day--
Dance with you, my sweet brown Harlem girl.

-Langston Hughes


-karen

>
> In a message dated 7/2/2006 7:43:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cstroffo at earthlink.net writes:
> Hey, I got in a really good discussion the other day about Langston
> Hughes' blues poems
> (and yes I know that he recorded quite a few of them) and their
> relationship to the blues lyrics
> of, for instance, the folks above, or John Lee Hooker, Big Mama
> Thornton, Ma Rainey, etc---
>
> And if anybody else here would maybe be interested in talking about
> that relationship here--
> Does it matter that Hughes worked primarily in a different field (in
> the artistic specialization sense) than these other folks?
> Is it somewhat analogous to the difference between, say, million
> selling hip hop artists today vs. a slam poet aesthetic which
> utilizes many devices of rap/hip hop?
> Or, for that matter, even the difference between say Bob Dylan and
> Allen Ginsberg's songs?
>
> There's alot of room for discussion (and, sure, bring on the "blues
> bashers" though I'm definitely trying to
> avoid the tired argument "it doesn't stand up on the page" and will
> try not to engage it here if it comes up)--
> Also, if anybody knows of any good essays on the subject----
> specifically about Hughes and some of the other recorded bluesmen of
> the 20th C---that'd be a nice supplement, but I really am not a big
> fan of posts that just send LINKS
> without any commentary as to why I'm supposed


From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Jul  6 06:51:21 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:51:21 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Norway is quite ahead...
Message-ID: <012701c6a0ea$1e3a3380$b6eb3652@ANNY>

> From: Jenel Virden [mailto:J.Virden at hull.ac.uk] 
> Sent: dinsdag 4 juli 2006 12:20


EAAS 2008 CONFERENCE -  OSLO, NORWAY -  9-12 MAY



THEME: "E Pluribus Unum" or "E Pluribus Plura"?



The motto "E Pluribus Unum" mostly subsumes an institutional and political will.  But, from all historical data and possibly even more from contemporary dissensions, it appears that the social and cultural realities of America might well illustrate the possibility for an "E Pluribus Plura" version of the formula.  How does the United States negotiate the inner tensions that, because of its constitutive diversity, might threaten its unity?  How do traditions (political, artistic, literary.), modes of consensus building (from myth to national icons and patriotic assertions of exceptionalism), the feeling of a wished-for common good counteract potential strife and the tensions of particular interests and particular groups, make up for the aporias of nationhood and communitarian feeling, of ideological consensus and a tradition of dissent?  Could it be that there are indeed several "Americas"?  Is being an American necessarily being in many ways double?  Can the politically unifying, centripetal power of the State, hidden under the neutral Unum, accommodate the centrifugal forces that might generate a societal and cultural "plura" out of the hallowed political and territorial "pluribus"?  Do diversities imply, for their survival and development, a "middle ground", a "mainstream", a "tradition" - some kind of American norm?  Seen in light of the various subdisciplines of our fields, these are some of the questions that might generate the wished-for contributions to this Conference.







Deadlines:



January 31, 2007: Deadline for submission of proposals and one-page abstracts for parallel lectures and workshop sessions, to include a ? page c.v. of workshop chairs and individual lecturers.



Please do not submit proposals for individual workshop papers at this time. These will be sent to selected workshop chairs who will be announced in the May 2007 issue of ASE.



September 15, 2007: Deadline for sending the tentative list of speakers and titles of workshop papers to be included in the October 2007 issue of ASE.



December 1, 2007: Deadline for submitting FINAL titles of papers and names and addresses of speakers.



January 10, 2008: Deadline for information to be included in the 2008 biennial conference program.



Please send all information via e-mail to the EAAS Secretary General, Jenel Virden, at virden at eaas.info




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Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
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From halvard at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  6 09:17:30 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:17:30 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Questions for Putin?
Message-ID: <34E07BDE-8B72-4CF5-A60A-18A1232FA2F1@earthlink.net>

Vladimir Putin is, right now, taking questions
on BBC World, and one can still submit questions
to the BBC World website.

My question is this, "When G. W. Bush looked
into your eyes and saw your soul, what did you
see in his?"

My guess is that Putin is diplomatic enough not
to answer.

Hal

"Those who cast the ballots decide nothing.
  Those who count the ballots decide everything."
                             --Joseph Stalin

Halvard Johnson
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From cc at opus0.com  Wed Jul  5 23:38:09 2006
From: cc at opus0.com (Crisman Cooley)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:38:09 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: number of books / speaking of no ears 
In-Reply-To: <200607050229.k652TbM5027487@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
References: <200607050229.k652TbM5027487@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
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To eliminate the metaphor, to replace it with what it replaced, to  
put ourselves in Hell, to acquit ourselves of reading 3900 books-per- 
year, the nub is:
Do we have the aesthetic sense to recognize and to select the work of  
Orpheus when it comes?
Are we deaf to the music of it?  Is it lost for lack of recognition?
Are we able to distinguish the beautiful?  Does it matter?
Are we completely lost?  Will we always be?



> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:37:36 -0700
> From: "Rachel Loden" <r_loden at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [New-Poetry] speaking of no ears
>
> I lost this poem for decades, recently found it again (by searching  
> for the
> first line and the last):
>
>
> Orpheus in Greenwich Village
>
> What if Orpheus,
> confident in the hard-
> found mastery,
> should go down into Hell?
> Out of the clean light down?
> And then, surrounded
> by the closing beasts
> and readying his lyre,
> should notice, suddenly,
> they had no ears?
>
>
> --Jack Gilbert
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> [mailto:new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Anny  
> Ballardini
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:32 AM
> To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] I feel...
>
>
> I loved the idea of you saying into no ears at all,
> and thank you for the extremely excepted for me,
> I am privileged in this most beautiful day of July, finally and  
> momentarily
> off _but off, thus not sick but in full health
>
> happiest holiday
> Anny
>
>



From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Thu Jul  6 11:57:15 2006
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:57:15 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: number of books / speaking of no ears 
References: <200607050229.k652TbM5027487@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
	<4A608EAC-9414-4041-81C9-5B03A04ABE3E@opus0.com>
Message-ID: <006201c6a114$db16a4f0$5fb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc>



> To eliminate the metaphor, to replace it with what it replaced, to  put 
> ourselves in Hell, to acquit ourselves of reading 3900 books-per- year, 
> the nub is:
> Do we have the aesthetic sense to recognize and to select the work of 
> Orpheus when it comes?
> Are we deaf to the music of it?  Is it lost for lack of recognition?
> Are we able to distinguish the beautiful?  Does it matter?
> Are we completely lost?  Will we always be?

We need critics willing to explore, and letting us know what's out there. 
But first we need editors and publishers willing to publish such critics. 
(I'm not such a critic--although I've covered all the schools of poetry 
Logan, for instance, has, as well as the man he hasn't.  But I would have 
become one had a New Criterion been willing to let me regualrly write for 
it.)

--Bob G. 




From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 13:10:08 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:10:08 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] R.I.P.: Jim Simmerman, 1952-2006
Message-ID: <648208b60607061010y721a5ddax1cba0441c8d4d8b5@mail.gmail.com>

Flag writers mourn death of local poet
By BETSEY BRUNER
Sun Staff Reporter
Thursday, July 6, 2006 11:50 AM CDT

Friends and fellow poets are mourning the death of Jim Simmerman, a
widely published poet and popular teacher at Northern Arizona
University.

Simmerman, 54, was found dead June 29 of an apparent self-inflicted
gunshot wound after struggling with severe health problems for several
years.

"He had boundless enthusiasm for poetry, beers at Charly's and rock
and roll," said Becky Byrkit, poet and executive director of the
Northern Arizona Book Festival. "He presented living, breathing
contemporary poets to our town like Mark Strand, Kenneth Koch and
Diane Wakoski...He epitomized the life of a writer, and many of us
would, very plainly, not be the people we are right now without his
influence. We all paid close attention to Jim, and we loved him."

Byrkit said Simmerman was considered the Flagstaff poet and had
initiated the creative writing program at NAU.

"He was internationally known; he's a heavy hitter," she said.

Simmerman's sudden death surprised many and sent the creative writing
community of Flagstaff into grief, including poet and friend James
Jay, who studied poetry at NAU with Simmerman.

"Jim Simmerman was the first poetry teacher I'd ever had and the best
one," he said. "His focus and commitment to teaching poetry as a
hard-fought, worthwhile and important venture continues to remain an
inspiration for me."

Simmerman loved to play guitar and his poetry was influenced by his
music, Jay said.

"There was quite a range," he said. "There was always a certain
musicality, rhythm, meter and repetition -- terrific to the ear. It
had to sound good when read aloud. There was a lyricism to his poetry,
that was key."

Simmerman published five poetry collections: "Home" (1983), which was
selected as a Pushcart "Writer's Choice" Selection; "Once Out of
Nature" (1989); "Moon Go Away, I Don't Love You No More" (1994), which
was nominated for a National Book Award and a Pulitzer Prize; "Kingdom
Come" (1999); and, most recently, "American Children" (2005).

Jay said Simmerman still had some poems currently out to editors.

His extensive study and knowledge of the world of poetry benefited
several local book stores

"He was a magnificent poet," said Martha Shideler, owner of Aradia Bookstore.

"One thing we liked, he would tell us the books we should order to
have a good collection of poetry. Now, we have a fairly good selection
of poetry, thanks to Jim."

An animal lover and longtime supporter of the Coconino County Humane
Society, Simmerman also co-edited the anthology, "Dog Music: Poetry
About Dog" (1996).

Simmerman also received fellowships from the Arizona Commission on the
Arts, Bread Loaf and Port Townsend writers' conferences, the Fine Arts
Work Center and the National Endowment for the Arts.

NAMED REGENTS PROFESSOR

Simmerman, who was born in Boulder, Colo., on March 5, 1952. His
father was a career military man in the Air Force and Simmerman
traveled throughout his childhood, including schooling in England.

He came to Northern Arizona University as an instructor in 1978 and
returned in 1981 after earning a master's degree in fine arts from the
University of Iowa.

He also earned a bachelor's and master's degrees from the University
of Missouri-Columbia.

In 2003, Simmerman was named a Regents Professor of English at NAU.

It was Jay who had gone to his friend's Cherry Hill home last week
after his calls were not returned and Simmerman had missed a medical
appointment at the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale. He found Simmerman dead
in the bedroom of his house.

According to Flagstaff police reports, Simmerman died from an apparent
self-inflicted gunshot wound. A living will was found near the body.
The gun was on his chest and one bullet was used.

Friends said Simmerman had been troubled with ill health for several
years, including a rare debilitating and painful form of arthritis.

"He'd had two hip replacements and was facing yet another surgery,"
said friend and fellow poet Jim Cervantes.

Jay, owner of Uptown Billiards, said he often drank beer with
Simmerman at his establishment. Simmerman named Jay the executor of
his estate.

"Sometimes, when someone gets depressed, there might be physical
manifestations; who knows which comes first," Jay said.

He is survived by his parents, Wade and Jane Simmerman; his brother,
Jeffry Simmerman; his wife Shelly; and six nephews and nieces.

There will be a small memorial service for family and friends in a week .

Jay and Byrkit, with the assistance of Allen Woodman and members of
the NAU English Department, are planning a public celebration of
Simmerman's life and work in mid-August, which will also serve as a
fund-raising event for the Coconino County Humane Society.

His extensive collection of books of poetry will be donated to the new
home of the Book Festival, the Northern Arizona Resource Center and
Artspace, on West Dale.

Reporter Betsey Bruner can be reached at bbruner at azdailysun.com or 556-2255.


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Jul  6 14:53:41 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:53:41 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Papers: Melville and Conrad
Message-ID: <014401c6a12d$7fff5d00$84aa3252@ANNY>

> Sent: Pawel Jedrzejko (Office) [mailto:jedrzej at us.edu.pl] 
>< From: dinsdag 27 juni 2006 2:10





Dear Friends

We are absolutely delighted that Hearts of Darkness: Melville and Conrad in the Space of World Culture Conference has attracted eminent scholars, younger and more senior, from around the world:  Japan, Italy, Lithuania, Switzerland, New Zealand, South Africa, Jerusalem, France, Canada, Spain, Turkey, Italy, the U.K., Poland, and the U.S.  The imaginative paper proposals, many of which deal with both Melville and Conrad, are bound to create some fascinating discussion in Szczecin and open up new areas of scholarship in the coming years.  We received 60 excellent proposals by the 25 June deadline. 



We do, however, have the capacity to have a larger conference, and are therefore extending the deadline for paper proposals until 25 July.  Colleagues, who might still wish to submit their proposals are welcome to do so via our conference registration system at http://www.melville.us.edu.pl



Would you please share this extension with two or three of your colleagues who might be interested in the conference but didn't get a paper proposal in on time?  In the next couple of weeks conference co-chair Pawel Jedrzejko will meet with British Conradians and co-chair Milton Reigelman will meet with the owners of the most beautiful tall ship in the world, the Dar Mlodziezy, the site of the opening events.  We plan to beat our deadline for approving papers by five weeks, and notify registrants by 15 August.  



Pawel and Milton

Conference Co-Chairs

http://www.melville.us.edu.pl




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http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 16:47:36 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:47:36 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Papers: Melville and Conrad
In-Reply-To: <014401c6a12d$7fff5d00$84aa3252@ANNY>
References: <014401c6a12d$7fff5d00$84aa3252@ANNY>
Message-ID: <648208b60607061347p3cb2b329s27a2c0cf647d60c2@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/6/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
>

> > Sent: Pawel Jedrzejko (Office) [mailto:jedrzej at us.edu.pl]
> >< From: dinsdag 27 juni 2006 2:10
>
> Dear Friends
>
> We are absolutely delighted that Hearts of Darkness: Melville and Conrad in
> the Space of World Culture Conference has attracted eminent scholars,
> younger and more senior, from around the world:  Japan, Italy, Lithuania,
> Switzerland, New Zealand, South Africa, Jerusalem, France, Canada, Spain,
> Turkey, Italy, the U.K., Poland, and the U.S.  The imaginative paper
> proposals, many of which deal with both Melville and Conrad, are bound to
> create some fascinating discussion in Szczecin and open up new areas of
> scholarship in the coming years.  We received 60 excellent proposals by the
> 25 June deadline.
>
 > We do, however, have the capacity to have a larger conference, and are
> therefore extending the deadline for paper proposals until 25 July.
> Colleagues, who might still wish to submit their proposals are welcome to do
> so via our conference registration system at http://www.melville.us.edu.pl
>
> Would you please share this extension with two or three of your colleagues
> who might be interested in the conference but didn't get a paper proposal in
> on time?  In the next couple of weeks conference co-chair Pawel Jedrzejko
> will meet with British Conradians and co-chair Milton Reigelman will meet
> with the owners of the most beautiful tall ship in the world, the Dar
> Mlodziezy, the site of the opening events.  We plan to beat our deadline for
> approving papers by five weeks, and notify registrants by 15 August.
>
> Pawel and Milton
> Conference Co-Chairs
> http://www.melville.us.edu.pl

This is a hoax, right?

-- Jim

"Eight thousand miles inland, the scallop was as far from its home as
it would ever get, but it was happy in the totally electronic, fully
computerized studio where it composed miniaturized, one-minute
symphonies." - Post Toasted Stories, Siobhan Al Gomez

~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/


From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Jul  6 17:05:12 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:05:12 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Papers: Melville and Conrad
References: <014401c6a12d$7fff5d00$84aa3252@ANNY>
	<648208b60607061347p3cb2b329s27a2c0cf647d60c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004201c6a13f$dfddbb60$19aa3852@ANNY>


No, no, I swear it's true, just check the site. Picture of ship and so on.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Papers: Melville and Conrad


> On 7/6/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
>>
>
>> > Sent: Pawel Jedrzejko (Office) [mailto:jedrzej at us.edu.pl]
>> >< From: dinsdag 27 juni 2006 2:10
>>
>> Dear Friends
>>
>> We are absolutely delighted that Hearts of Darkness: Melville and Conrad 
>> in
>> the Space of World Culture Conference has attracted eminent scholars,
>> younger and more senior, from around the world:  Japan, Italy, Lithuania,
>> Switzerland, New Zealand, South Africa, Jerusalem, France, Canada, Spain,
>> Turkey, Italy, the U.K., Poland, and the U.S.  The imaginative paper
>> proposals, many of which deal with both Melville and Conrad, are bound to
>> create some fascinating discussion in Szczecin and open up new areas of
>> scholarship in the coming years.  We received 60 excellent proposals by 
>> the
>> 25 June deadline.
>>
> > We do, however, have the capacity to have a larger conference, and are
>> therefore extending the deadline for paper proposals until 25 July.
>> Colleagues, who might still wish to submit their proposals are welcome to 
>> do
>> so via our conference registration system at 
>> http://www.melville.us.edu.pl
>>
>> Would you please share this extension with two or three of your 
>> colleagues
>> who might be interested in the conference but didn't get a paper proposal 
>> in
>> on time?  In the next couple of weeks conference co-chair Pawel Jedrzejko
>> will meet with British Conradians and co-chair Milton Reigelman will meet
>> with the owners of the most beautiful tall ship in the world, the Dar
>> Mlodziezy, the site of the opening events.  We plan to beat our deadline 
>> for
>> approving papers by five weeks, and notify registrants by 15 August.
>>
>> Pawel and Milton
>> Conference Co-Chairs
>> http://www.melville.us.edu.pl
>
> This is a hoax, right?
>
> -- Jim
>
> "Eight thousand miles inland, the scallop was as far from its home as
> it would ever get, but it was happy in the totally electronic, fully
> computerized studio where it composed miniaturized, one-minute
> symphonies." - Post Toasted Stories, Siobhan Al Gomez
>
> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
> _______________________________________________




From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Jul  7 05:33:43 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:33:43 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for papers: Craiova
Message-ID: <009601c6a1a8$70712a00$3fae3252@ANNY>

> From: Mihai Cosoveanu [mailto:mcosoveanu at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:26 AM

 

International Conference "Language, Literature and Cultural Policies"

 

FIRST CALL FOR PAPERS

CRAIOVA, NOVEMBER 2-4, 2006

The Department of English and American Studies, Faculty of Letters, The University of Craiova is pleased to announce the organization of the International Conference "Language, Literature and Cultural Policies", this year's title being "WORD POWER". 

"In the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.In Him was Life.And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth". The power of words is maybe the most impressive engine of our society. Words represent the centre of the universe and words can change and shape human society. No matter the field, the "word" has a fundamental role: manipulation, with positive or negative effects. Therefore our conference invites participants to explore the power of words in all its possible dimensions by connecting it to cultural studies, literature, language, history of ideas, anthropology, political science, translation studies, and other associated fields and disciplines. 

 

Submission instructions

When sending the e-mail submission, please follow this format and send your abstract as attachment, not as part of the letter (use the numbering system given below):

 

1.                               Title of abstract:

2.                               Section (Literature, Linguistics, Cultural Studies):  

3.                               Name :

4.                               Academic title: 

5.                               Address:

6.                               Affiliation:

7.                               E-mail address:

8.                               Abstract (60 words):

 

Abstracts will be accepted until September 15, 2006

The conference fee is 100 RON and includes the publication of the volume.


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Further information

Hotel reservations will be made by the conference organizers. A second circular will be mailed to those who have returned the preliminary registration form. Accommodation details will be available on the conference website by the end of July 2006. 

 

For additional information, please contact 

Mihai Cosoveanu, e-mail: mcosoveanu at yahoo.com 

 
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http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Jul  7 05:40:07 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:40:07 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Radio
Message-ID: <00a201c6a1a9$55259870$3fae3252@ANNY>

For those who work long hours at the pc I discovered the following:
http://www.accuradio.com/classical/index.aspx

you can also find Jazz, Rock, Oldies, Hits, Celtic, ...
seems good to me,

Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 19:14:49 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:14:49 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Papers: Melville and Conrad
In-Reply-To: <004201c6a13f$dfddbb60$19aa3852@ANNY>
References: <014401c6a12d$7fff5d00$84aa3252@ANNY>
	<648208b60607061347p3cb2b329s27a2c0cf647d60c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<004201c6a13f$dfddbb60$19aa3852@ANNY>
Message-ID: <648208b60607071614t56054c8aqaef498b047f89280@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/6/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
>
> No, no, I swear it's true, just check the site. Picture of ship and so on.

Yah.  It's true, but the langwitch!

-- Jim

"It was another steely winter, branches and icicles making the same
sound when they snapped.  The sky merely lightened and darkened.  A
hundred and ten days of the same snapshot, the same smoke rising in
the same way from the same chimney."  - Piers Wong

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From cstroffo at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  7 19:31:15 2006
From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:31:15 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--
In-Reply-To: <006c01c69e4e$f8fcc2b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
References: <44A74AFD.1050907@ilstu.edu>
	<95C14504-D587-4DC3-8A22-5060F8FB1A74@earthlink.net>
	<006c01c69e4e$f8fcc2b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
Message-ID: <87C8ED9E-B755-4AE5-BC92-5DF74A7B4F33@earthlink.net>

Tad---
thanks for these comments; I hope you can find a publisher for your  
book (or at least start getting excerpts of it published sometime  
soon)---maybe it doesn't have to be an 'academic' press?

On Jul 2, 2006, at 8:15 PM, TheOldMole wrote:

> The great blues lyrics do stand up on the page, and I've taught  
> them as a literature, and have a proposal for a book on the  
> literature of the blues (any academic presses listening?) but what  
> Hughes did was of a different order. It was different because  
> "Negro music" was not considered real art --  I mean, there wasn't  
> even a debate over it. So Hughes was using the blues the way Ives  
> or Copland used folk melodies -- with the sense that he was taking  
> something that wasn't "art," and making "real art" out of it. I  
> don't think Hughes actually believed this. But it was important to  
> him and the other Harlem Renaissance artists to be perceived as  
> artists and not folk curios, and this made a difference in the way  
> that he wrote.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Stroffolino"  
> <cstroffo at earthlink.net>
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <new- 
> poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:43 PM
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--
>
>
>>
>> Hey, I got in a really good discussion the other day about  
>> Langston Hughes' blues poems
>> (and yes I know that he recorded quite a few of them) and their  
>> relationship to the blues lyrics
>> of, for instance, the folks above, or John Lee Hooker, Big Mama   
>> Thornton, Ma Rainey, etc---
>>
>> And if anybody else here would maybe be interested in talking  
>> about  that relationship here--
>> Does it matter that Hughes worked primarily in a different field  
>> (in  the artistic specialization sense) than these other folks?
>> Is it somewhat analogous to the difference between, say, million   
>> selling hip hop artists today vs. a slam poet aesthetic which   
>> utilizes many devices of rap/hip hop?
>> Or, for that matter, even the difference between say Bob Dylan  
>> and  Allen Ginsberg's songs?
>>
>> There's alot of room for discussion (and, sure, bring on the  
>> "blues bashers" though I'm definitely trying to
>> avoid the tired argument "it doesn't stand up on the page" and  
>> will  try not to engage it here if it comes up)--
>> Also, if anybody knows of any good essays on the subject----  
>> specifically about Hughes and some of the other recorded bluesmen  
>> of  the 20th C---that'd be a nice supplement, but I really am not  
>> a big  fan of posts that just send LINKS
>> without any commentary as to why I'm supposed to check out the   
>> link......
>> a discussion might be nice (but be careful what you ask for,  
>> Chris---)
>>
>> C
>>
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From cstroffo at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  7 19:40:44 2006
From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:40:44 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--
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Jeff----thanks for these comments. Paul Barman, oh yeah, he's got  
some silly lyrics that utilize the old form of the "Jewish Joke" if  
I'm not mistaken (heard on college radio)---kind of fun. Okay, I'm  
not being profound or anything now, but just wanted to acknowledge  
your contribution to this discussion.....
Oh, and in "avant" largely white NYC poetry scenes "sampling" became  
a big buzzword as an aesthetic device in the last decade or so. It's  
tempting, given the glut of recorded music (as well as other cultural  
fields), and weird cultural anxieties about 'originality' (against a  
backdrop of tightened intellectual property laws and such), for many  
to argue that we live in a 'sampling culture' (or in some poetry  
circles, the embrace of the phrasal 'fragment' and such). But I  
personally don't feel much of a need to make that argument (even if  
some people have said that some of my own published poetry utilizes  
the 'sampling' technique----one could also make the argument it's  
very much in Pound, Eliot, Ashbery, to name but 3.....but maybe  
that's not what you mean....)

Chris
On Jul 3, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> Good questions.  Like Tad, I've used blues lyrics in the classroom,  
> and for me, they do hold up on the page--though as you point out,  
> that argument is moot and trite.
>
> I'm trying to think of some contemporary poets who've adopted  
> "popular" (note my scare quotes) genres for "artistic" reasons.   
> Kevin Young's *Black Mariah* comes to mind, a book in which (I  
> think) Young uses the conventions of film noir.  I've not read it,  
> so I don't know how he uses said conventions--if he tries to  
> subvert them in some way or if he puts them to work illuminating or  
> illustrating some point.
>
> A poet I've written about before, Tom Hunley, comes to mind, as  
> well.  Even moreso than, say, Billy Collins, Hunley seems to draw  
> as much inspiration from stand-up comics as he does poetry.  He  
> studied with David Kirby down at FSU, so his poems have that same  
> "talky" quality that Kirby's have.  I think that our own David  
> Graham wrote an essay about this a while back--was it in the VPR,  
> David?
>
> I've also said before that I'm a fan of some hip-hop.  The stuff  
> that sells, the MTV stuff, isn't my can o' beer.  But, I do like  
> hip-hop lyricists who use language in interesting ways.  I like an  
> Atlanta-based rapper who calls himself MF Doom.  I also like a guy  
> named Paul Barman.  Both of these guys do radical things in their  
> raps:  Barman even has one song (if I'm remembering correctly)  
> that's composed of lines of palindromes.  And it rhymes.  I assume  
> that there are poets using this kind of hip-hop structure (whatever  
> that means), but I don't know who.
>
> (On a side note, I wonder if any poets have tried to use "sampling"  
> in thier writing--you know, the way Grandmaster Flash--among  
> others--has used bits and pieces of other songs to create something  
> new.  Art from art.)
>
> I'll give some more thought to Hughes and try to post my thoughts.
>
> Thanks Chris.
>
> Jeff Newberry
>
>
> On 7/2/06, Chris Stroffolino <cstroffo at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Hey, I got in a really good discussion the other day about Langston
> Hughes' blues poems
> (and yes I know that he recorded quite a few of them) and their
> relationship to the blues lyrics
> of, for instance, the folks above, or John Lee Hooker, Big Mama
> Thornton, Ma Rainey, etc---
>
> And if anybody else here would maybe be interested in talking about
> that relationship here--
> Does it matter that Hughes worked primarily in a different field (in
> the artistic specialization sense) than these other folks?
> Is it somewhat analogous to the difference between, say, million
> selling hip hop artists today vs. a slam poet aesthetic which
> utilizes many devices of rap/hip hop?
> Or, for that matter, even the difference between say Bob Dylan and
> Allen Ginsberg's songs?
>
> There's alot of room for discussion (and, sure, bring on the "blues
> bashers" though I'm definitely trying to
> avoid the tired argument "it doesn't stand up on the page" and will
> try not to engage it here if it comes up)--
> Also, if anybody knows of any good essays on the subject----
> specifically about Hughes and some of the other recorded bluesmen of
> the 20th C---that'd be a nice supplement, but I really am not a big
> fan of posts that just send LINKS
> without any commentary as to why I'm supposed to check out the
> link......
> a discussion might be nice (but be careful what you ask for, Chris---)
>
> C
>
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From cstroffo at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  7 19:45:28 2006
From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:45:28 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Langston Hughes/ W. Dixon, Robert Johnson, etc--
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Hi Karen---I'm trying to remember meeting you (sorry I'm blanking  
right now), but thanks for writing and for sharing that poem. I  
really appreciate it. Chris
On Jul 5, 2006, at 4:04 PM, karen wrote:

> Hi Chris-
>
> We've met before in SF.  How are you?  And greetings to the list.  I'm
> mostly a lurker.
>
> Anyway, I love Hughes.  I think he does indeed stand up on the page.
> Maybe it's because I live in Harlem for the time being. I keep
> returning to his poetry over and over again lately.  It's really fused
> to this place.  And everything that goes with it.  The frantic,
> rhythmic activity.  The buses hissing down 125th.  The loud voices,
> the boisterousness, the joy, the pride, the sorrow. Sometimes the
> desperation to reach out and hold anything close that won't slip away.
> It all gets meshed together here in one big roaring experience.
> Folks are pretty open about their moods.  People here remember you and
> say hi.  There is a certain romance he captures while never forgetting
> that hard stuff that makes Harlem's musical voice so unique, so tough,
> and so tender.
>
> And, no, I'm not much of a fan of slam poety, etc, etc.  But I try and
> keep my mind open.  Still, I connect with Hughes.
>
> One poem in particular that I've just been reading this week while
> commuting to work on the D train is this one:
>
> Juke Box Love Song
>
> I could take the Harlem night
> and wrap around you,
> Take the neon lights and make a crown,
> Take the Lenox Avenue busses,
> Taxis, subways,
> And for your love song tone their rumble down.
> Take Harlem's heartbeat,
> Make a drumbeat,
> Put it on a record, let it whirl,
> And while we listen to it play,
> Dance with you till day--
> Dance with you, my sweet brown Harlem girl.
>
> -Langston Hughes
>
>
> -karen
>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/2/2006 7:43:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
>> cstroffo at earthlink.net writes:
>> Hey, I got in a really good discussion the other day about Langston
>> Hughes' blues poems
>> (and yes I know that he recorded quite a few of them) and their
>> relationship to the blues lyrics
>> of, for instance, the folks above, or John Lee Hooker, Big Mama
>> Thornton, Ma Rainey, etc---
>>
>> And if anybody else here would maybe be interested in talking about
>> that relationship here--
>> Does it matter that Hughes worked primarily in a different field (in
>> the artistic specialization sense) than these other folks?
>> Is it somewhat analogous to the difference between, say, million
>> selling hip hop artists today vs. a slam poet aesthetic which
>> utilizes many devices of rap/hip hop?
>> Or, for that matter, even the difference between say Bob Dylan and
>> Allen Ginsberg's songs?
>>
>> There's alot of room for discussion (and, sure, bring on the "blues
>> bashers" though I'm definitely trying to
>> avoid the tired argument "it doesn't stand up on the page" and will
>> try not to engage it here if it comes up)--
>> Also, if anybody knows of any good essays on the subject----
>> specifically about Hughes and some of the other recorded bluesmen of
>> the 20th C---that'd be a nice supplement, but I really am not a big
>> fan of posts that just send LINKS
>> without any commentary as to why I'm supposed
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Jul  8 10:15:26 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:15:26 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] the noise in lit
Message-ID: <008401c6a298$f5b50dd0$edd63152@ANNY>

> From: Philipp Schweighauser [mailto:schweighauser at ens.unibe.ch] 
> Sent: maandag 29 mei 2006 18:43


The University Press of Florida is proud to announce the publication of _The
Noises of American Literature, 1890-1985: Toward a History of Literary
Acoustics_ by Philipp Schweighauser. Schweighauser traces the acoustic
imagination of American literature from naturalism to postmodernism. He
reads the noises writers represent as fictional responses to the social, cultural,
and political changes and conflicts of modernity and postmodernity.
Exploring the social functions of literature, he also suggests that literature itself,
in its constant search for new language forms, has become a source of
revitalizing noise in the channels of cultural communication.
     The author provides substantial new readings of a broad range of
canonical texts, from the naturalism of Theodore Dreiser, Frank Norris, and Stephen
Crane to the modernism of Jean Toomer, Zora Neale Hurston, John Dos Passos, and
Djuna Barnes, to the postmodernism of Thomas Pynchon, Ishmael Reed, and Don
DeLillo.
Across almost 100 years of literary history, he listens to the hum of
traffic and the fracas of war and to immigrant accents and African-American
vocalization. From the late 19th-century writers' often anxious responses to
the new soundscapes brought about by industrialization and urbanization, to the
modernists' decision to let the noises of social discontent seep into the
very forms of their texts, to late 20th-century literary oscillations between
acoustic mysticism and ecological critique, he shows that changing
representations of sound indicate writers' stances on issues of class,
gender, and race.
     Drawing on soundscape studies, systems theory, sociology, media
archaeology, and literary theory, this book explores the acoustic worlds and
changing social functions of American literature.   
-- 
Dr. Philipp Schweighauser, Department of English, University of Berne,
L?nggassstrasse 49, 3000 Bern 9, Switzerland. Phone: ++41 31 631 81 45; Fax:
++41 31 631 36 36.  http://www.cx.unibe.ch/ens/staff/schweighauser.htm


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Jul  8 15:53:14 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 21:53:14 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] By Williams Carlos Williams - Poems 1928
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THE SOURCE

I

The slope of the heavy woods
pales and disappears
in the wall of mist that hides

the edge above whose peak
last night the moon--

But it is morning and a new light
marks other things
a pasture which begins

where silhouettes of scrub
and balsams stand uncertainly

On whose green three maples
are distinctly pressed
beside a red barn

with new shingles in the old
all cancelled by

A triple elm's inverted
lichen mottled
triple thighs from which

wisps of twigs
droop with sharp leaves

Which shake in the crutch
brushing the stained bark
fitfully

II

Beyond which lies
the profound detail of the woods
restless, distressed

soft underfoot
the low ferns

Mounting a rusty root
the pungent mold
globular fungi

water in an old
hoof print

Cow dung and in
the uneven aisles of
the trees

rock strewn a stone
half-green

A spring in whose depth
white sand bubbles
overflows

clear under late raspberries
and delicate-stemmed touch-me-nots

Where alders follow it marking
the low ground
the water is cast upon

a stair of uneven stones
with a rustling sound

An edge of bubbles stirs
swiftness is molded
speed grows

the profuse body advances
over the stones unchanged




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From duemer at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 19:56:17 2006
From: duemer at gmail.com (Joseph Duemer)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:56:17 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Jim Simmerman
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A number of Jim's friends & students have posted rememberances at Reading &
Writing <http://chujoe.net/index.php?id=840>.

jd

On 7/5/06, James Cervantes <cervantes.james at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please understand that several stories were flung out in the immediate
> aftermath of Jim's death.  I don't think anyone wants to "own the
> narrative" but that all of us close by are more concerned with word of
> his death getting to all those who should know and with proceeding
> with plans for a memorial.  I, for one, gave out a mistaken version of
> what occured with Jim's dog, Bandit, as I was repeating what I'd heard
> from a Flagstaff resident.  Rebecca Byrkit *had* told me last week
> that Bandit had died three months earlier.  I'd forgotten that and
> gave the latest, mistaken version.  My apologies.
>
> There will be a memorial event in Flagstaff in August and I will
> convey the details when they are certain.
>
> - Jim
>
> On 7/4/06, Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ms. Byrkit informs me by email that she has known Jim for 27 years. She
> > disputes my version of the facts presented above & in my blog post. She
> > urges me to "be cool," which strikes me as fatuous advice, frankly.
> > Especially since she suggested that I was contributing to an overflow of
> > rumors about Jim. Clearly, she wants very badly to own the narrative.
> >
> >
> > On 7/4/06, Joseph Duemer <duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Rebecca Byrkit just posted the folloing on my weblog:
> > >
> > > <<Friends,
> > >
> > > Small stuff, but Jim simmerman did not give away his dog Bandit?she
> died
> > four months ago. Also he did not, as Joseph D. says, "suffer from
> arthritis
> > his entire life" but rather for about seven years'. Not crucial, but
> James
> > (Jay, executor of Jim's estate and the person who found Jim) and I are
> > sensitive to accuracy at this crucial point, and the rumors are already
> > overflowering?
> > > Thanks and more soon! may I quote Jim's and James' kind words about
> Jim in
> > my article with the Sun?>>
> > >
> > > I would simply like to say, as someone who knew Jim much longer than
> Ms.
> > Byrkit, that Jim's arthritis was long-standing. He quit doing karate in
> grad
> > school because of it. If Ms. Byrkit is interested in accuracy, as she
> says,
> > she will not discount as "rumor" the testimony of a friend of
> long-standing.
> > Whatever other rumors may be "overflowing" Jim's physical pain for many
> > years is something that many of his old friends will attest to. Whether
> that
> > pain contributed to his suicide is anyone's guess, but the fact of that
> pain
> > should not be in dispute. So is it "small stuff" or a "crucial point"?
> > Frankly, I resent this attempt to take control of the narrative,
> especially
> > since there can be no reason other than selfishness to do so.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/2/06, Joseph Duemer < duemer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When Jim & I worked together on Dog Music, we gave the profits to
> our
> > two local animal shelters. Maybe those organizing the memorial would
> like to
> > suggest donations to the Flagstaff animal shelter or some other
> organization
> > & provide contact information. Just a thought.
> > > >
> > > > Here is what I wrote about Jim just now on my blog:
> > > >
> > > > I heard last night that my old grad school mate & Dog Music
> collaborator
> > Jim Simmerman has taken his own life. Jim had suffered all his life from
> > debilitating arthritis & given that he was a natural athlete, he was
> > constantly in pain. Though we worked together on an extended project,
> Jim &
> > I were not particularly close, but I feel his loss acutely nevertheless.
> Jim
> > was among the most honorable & honest people I have known?any
> dishonesty, no
> > matter how small, deeply offended him, which could make him severe. His
> > severity, though, was always in defense of the good & the honorable.
> This
> > attitude is one of the things that made him a strong & effective member
> of
> > the AWP Board?I know because I served on that board shortly after Jim
> left
> > it. We are always shocked by suicide, but one thing I know about Jim is
> that
> > even this most radical & final act would have been taken in a state of
> > existential awareness. I know that he lived as long as he could. There
> was a
> > big storm here last night that broke shortly after I learned of Jim's
> death
> > & I will let that mark his death in my memory.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/1/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com < Rsgwynn1 at cs.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 7/1/2006 9:07:41 PM Central Standard Time,
> > duemer at gmail.com writes:
> > > >
> > > > I just heard about this. Jim &I were at Iowa together in the late
> 70s,
> > then worked together on Dog Music a decade later. I just don't know what
> to
> > say right now.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry, Joe.  Jim Cervantes has some details.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Joseph Duemer
> > > > Professor of Humanities
> > > > Clarkson University
> > > > [chujoe.net]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Joseph Duemer
> > > Professor of Humanities
> > > Clarkson University
> > > [ chujoe.net]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Duemer
> > Professor of Humanities
> > Clarkson University
> > [chujoe.net]
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Jul  9 05:29:02 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 11:29:02 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] the Writer's Almanac
Message-ID: <009b01c6a33a$1e627f00$4ea93452@ANNY>

Poem: "Hornworm: Summer Reverie" by Stanley Kunitz from The Collected Poems. ? W.W. Norton & Company. Reprinted with permission. (buy now) 

Hornworm: Summer Reverie 

Here in caterpillar country
I learned how to survive
by pretending to be a dragon.
See me put on that look
of slow and fierce surprise
when I lift my bulbous head
and glare at an intruder.
Nobody seems to guess 
how gentle I really am,
content most of the time
simply to disappear
by melting into the scenery.
Smooth and fatty and long,
with seven white stripes 
painted on either side
and a sharp little horn for a tail,
I lie stretched out on a leaf,
pale green on my bed of green,
munching, munching.

*

And Happy Birthday to Oliver Sacks.


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From cc at opus0.com  Sun Jul  9 12:06:58 2006
From: cc at opus0.com (Crisman Cooley)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:06:58 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: By Williams Carlos Williams - Poems 1928 (Anny
	Ballardini)
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Anny,
Thanks for the WCW-- you picked out a great one here, I think...  
beautiful, and except for too many whiches bewhiching.

Crisman


> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 21:53:14 +0200
> From: "Anny Ballardini" <anny.ballardini at tin.it>
> Subject: [New-Poetry] By Williams Carlos Williams - Poems 1928
>
> THE SOURCE
>
> I
>
> The slope of the heavy woods
> pales and disappears
> in the wall of mist that hides
>
> the edge above whose peak
> last night the moon--
>
> But it is morning and a new light
> marks other things
> a pasture which begins
>
> where silhouettes of scrub
> and balsams stand uncertainly
>
> On whose green three maples
> are distinctly pressed
> beside a red barn
>
> with new shingles in the old
> all cancelled by
>
> A triple elm's inverted
> lichen mottled
> triple thighs from which
>
> wisps of twigs
> droop with sharp leaves
>
> Which shake in the crutch
> brushing the stained bark
> fitfully
>
> II
>
> Beyond which lies
> the profound detail of the woods
> restless, distressed
>
> soft underfoot
> the low ferns
>
> Mounting a rusty root
> the pungent mold
> globular fungi
>
> water in an old
> hoof print
>
> Cow dung and in
> the uneven aisles of
> the trees
>
> rock strewn a stone
> half-green
>
> A spring in whose depth
> white sand bubbles
> overflows
>
> clear under late raspberries
> and delicate-stemmed touch-me-nots
>
> Where alders follow it marking
> the low ground
> the water is cast upon
>
> a stair of uneven stones
> with a rustling sound
>
> An edge of bubbles stirs
> swiftness is molded
> speed grows
>
> the profuse body advances
> over the stones unchanged
>



From cstroffo at earthlink.net  Sun Jul  9 14:58:56 2006
From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 11:58:56 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: By Williams Carlos Williams - Poems 1928 (Anny
	Ballardini)
In-Reply-To: <E209477B-8B66-4F3C-AC89-367CCE73C911@opus0.com>
References: <200607091600.k69G04M5025357@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
	<E209477B-8B66-4F3C-AC89-367CCE73C911@opus0.com>
Message-ID: <EA201E69-2D90-41DD-8EF3-0180B58A0CBA@earthlink.net>

ah, burn the which (beside the white chickens)....
C
On Jul 9, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Crisman Cooley wrote:

> Anny,
> Thanks for the WCW-- you picked out a great one here, I think...  
> beautiful, and except for too many whiches bewhiching.
>
> Crisman
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 21:53:14 +0200
>> From: "Anny Ballardini" <anny.ballardini at tin.it>
>> Subject: [New-Poetry] By Williams Carlos Williams - Poems 1928
>>
>> THE SOURCE
>>
>> I
>>
>> The slope of the heavy woods
>> pales and disappears
>> in the wall of mist that hides
>>
>> the edge above whose peak
>> last night the moon--
>>
>> But it is morning and a new light
>> marks other things
>> a pasture which begins
>>
>> where silhouettes of scrub
>> and balsams stand uncertainly
>>
>> On whose green three maples
>> are distinctly pressed
>> beside a red barn
>>
>> with new shingles in the old
>> all cancelled by
>>
>> A triple elm's inverted
>> lichen mottled
>> triple thighs from which
>>
>> wisps of twigs
>> droop with sharp leaves
>>
>> Which shake in the crutch
>> brushing the stained bark
>> fitfully
>>
>> II
>>
>> Beyond which lies
>> the profound detail of the woods
>> restless, distressed
>>
>> soft underfoot
>> the low ferns
>>
>> Mounting a rusty root
>> the pungent mold
>> globular fungi
>>
>> water in an old
>> hoof print
>>
>> Cow dung and in
>> the uneven aisles of
>> the trees
>>
>> rock strewn a stone
>> half-green
>>
>> A spring in whose depth
>> white sand bubbles
>> overflows
>>
>> clear under late raspberries
>> and delicate-stemmed touch-me-nots
>>
>> Where alders follow it marking
>> the low ground
>> the water is cast upon
>>
>> a stair of uneven stones
>> with a rustling sound
>>
>> An edge of bubbles stirs
>> swiftness is molded
>> speed grows
>>
>> the profuse body advances
>> over the stones unchanged
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry



From JforJames at aol.com  Sun Jul  9 17:11:18 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 17:11:18 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
Message-ID: <3c7.4f7d213.31e2caf6@aol.com>

_http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailfeatures.asp?fileid=20060709.M01&irec=24_
 
(http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailfeatures.asp?fileid=20060709.M01&irec=24) 
Poetry  fest: Ding-dong, the poet is (not) dead 
Hera Diani, The Jakarta Post,  Jakarta
 
Egyptian poet Ahmed Abdul Mooty Hezagy was restless; he felt that poetry no  
longer existed in people's lives. There was a population of around 250 million 
 in Indonesia, he said, but a single poetry collection is only read by, what, 
 1,000 readers? 
 
He pointed to Egypt where, with a 70 million population, one book is read  by 
the same number of readers, or 2,000-3,000 readers tops. 
 
"We need poetry in life, but why is poetry not popular anymore?" he asked. 
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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Sun Jul  9 17:20:19 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:20:19 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
In-Reply-To: <3c7.4f7d213.31e2caf6@aol.com>
References: <3c7.4f7d213.31e2caf6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <648208b60607091420w73e9e558r164fc4e3638a0464@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/9/06, JforJames at aol.com <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailfeatures.asp?fileid=20060709.M01&irec=24
> Poetry fest: Ding-dong, the poet is (not) dead
> Hera Diani, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta
>
> Egyptian poet Ahmed Abdul Mooty Hezagy was restless; he felt that poetry no
> longer existed in people's lives. There was a population of around 250
> million in Indonesia, he said, but a single poetry collection is only read
> by, what, 1,000 readers?
>
> He pointed to Egypt where, with a 70 million population, one book is read by
> the same number of readers, or 2,000-3,000 readers tops.
>
> "We need poetry in life, but why is poetry not popular anymore?" he asked.

Well, from that very article: "On the festival's opening night on
Wednesday at the Taman Ismail Marzuki Arts Center, Central Jakarta,
the performances consisted of a series of poets reading their works,
accompanied by a translator. The lighting was simple, the stage only
decorated with a couple of ladders and the poetry being read was
projected on a backdrop.

The lack of dynamism in its presentation turned the evening's reading
into a snoozefest that several audience members, mostly art students,
left before the event was over."

I'd bet the best attended poetry events are those with the highest
entertainment factor, whether in Indonesia or here.  Oh, and I'd bet
there are more attendees than readers.

"We need poetry in life, but why is poetry not popular anymore?" he asked.
Who is "we"?


-- Jim

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/


From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Jul  9 17:42:48 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:42:48 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Charles Olson
Message-ID: <00ae01c6a3a0$9faf04a0$23ed3652@ANNY>

Li Po

The fire makes noises like snow on wet panes

The fire makes its effort to keep out the cold

The fire is less master of the cold night than the snow


Charles Olson

see here, I like this one: http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/2006/07/torcello-remade-square.html

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
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From hawkbrwn at msn.com  Sun Jul  9 23:09:38 2006
From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown)
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:09:38 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c6a3a0$9faf04a0$23ed3652@ANNY>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV45CB05F279487047CBDDED96B0@phx.gbl>


Hello,

I have recently joined the New Poetry listserv and so thought I should
introduce myself to the group.

My name is Elaine Brown.  Originally from Alaska, I now live in Montreal,
Quebec, Canada with my daughter, Rachel.  We also lived in Flagstaff,
Arizona for three years where I was a student of Jim Simmerman?s.  He was an
excellent teacher.  I will always regard him as the person that opened the
door to my really beginning to understand how to write.  In Montreal, Rachel
is attending French elementary school, and as a result becoming bi-lingual.
And I am there attending a doctoral program in philosophy at McGill
University.  I?ll admit it is a struggle to balance my poet life with my
philosophy life but I venture on trying.  It?s been a pleasure reading the
various discussions happening here at New Poetry, and I appreciate the poems
that have recently been posted as well.  It?s always a pleasure to be
reminded of the many many ways it is possible to write a poem.

All the best to the others at New Poetry.
Sincerely,
Elaine Brown
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From fssam6 at uaf.edu  Mon Jul 10 03:33:53 2006
From: fssam6 at uaf.edu (steve moore)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:33:53 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV45CB05F279487047CBDDED96B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV45CB05F279487047CBDDED96B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7738EC39-957D-48B5-BBE9-F72E5AAEAF50@uaf.edu>

Hello Elaine. I am currently living in Fairbanks, Alaska, attending  
the UAF MFA in Poetry program.
On Jul 9, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Elaine Brown wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I have recently joined the New Poetry listserv and so thought I  
> should introduce myself to the group.
>
> My name is Elaine Brown.  Originally from Alaska, I now live in  
> Montreal, Quebec, Canada with my daughter, Rachel.  We also lived  
> in Flagstaff, Arizona for three years where I was a student of Jim  
> Simmerman?s.  He was an excellent teacher.  I will always regard  
> him as the person that opened the door to my really beginning to  
> understand how to write.  In Montreal, Rachel is attending French  
> elementary school, and as a result becoming bi-lingual.  And I am  
> there attending a doctoral program in philosophy at McGill  
> University.  I?ll admit it is a struggle to balance my poet life  
> with my philosophy life but I venture on trying.  It?s been a  
> pleasure reading the various discussions happening here at New  
> Poetry, and I appreciate the poems that have recently been posted  
> as well.  It?s always a pleasure to be reminded of the many many  
> ways it is possible to write a poem.
>
> All the best to the others at New Poetry.
> Sincerely,
> Elaine Brown
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry

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From hawkbrwn at msn.com  Mon Jul 10 04:12:38 2006
From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:12:38 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <7738EC39-957D-48B5-BBE9-F72E5AAEAF50@uaf.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV13F24E3FF77CB9381D691DD96B0@phx.gbl>

Oh!  My goodness!  

Hello Steve, 

I am in Anchorage until early August.  I would love to hear anything you
have to say about the Fairbanks program, as well as what you think of the
town.  Where are you from originally?  Thank you for extending a response to
my introduction.

Elaine 


On 7/9/06 11:33 PM, "steve moore" <fssam6 at uaf.edu> wrote:

> Hello Elaine. I am currently living in Fairbanks, Alaska, attending the UAF
> MFA in Poetry program.
> On Jul 9, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Elaine Brown wrote:
> 
>>  
>>  Hello,
>>  
>>  I have recently joined the New Poetry listserv and so thought I should
>> introduce myself to the group. ?
>>  
>>  My name is Elaine Brown. ?Originally from Alaska, I now live in Montreal,
>> Quebec, Canada with my daughter, Rachel. ?We also lived in Flagstaff, Arizona
>> for three years where I was a student of Jim Simmerman?s. ?He was an
>> excellent teacher. ?I will always regard him as the person that opened the
>> door to my really beginning to understand how to write. ?In Montreal, Rachel
>> is attending French elementary school, and as a result becoming bi-lingual.
>> ?And I am there attending a doctoral program in philosophy at McGill
>> University. ?I?ll admit it is a struggle to balance my poet life with my
>> philosophy life but I venture on trying. ?It?s been a pleasure reading the
>> various discussions happening here at New Poetry, and I appreciate the poems
>> that have recently been posted as well. ?It?s always a pleasure to be
>> reminded of the many many ways it is possible to write a poem.
>>  
>>  All the best to the others at New Poetry.
>>  Sincerely,
>>  Elaine Brown
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>  
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From cstroffo at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 10 04:18:58 2006
From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:18:58 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV13F24E3FF77CB9381D691DD96B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV13F24E3FF77CB9381D691DD96B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7E2C6A59-24D3-4EE6-8F98-1D8EDEB23289@earthlink.net>

Hi Elaine----
I don't know if this message was forwarded to this poetry list, but I  
thought I'd forward it because it sounds like it could be right up  
your alley----
Chris
(forwarded message here)

This is a last-minute call for essays for a feature tentatively titled
"Poets and Philosophers," which will appear in Fulcrum 5.

The issue is almost ready to go to press, which means we would need to
see the work near-immediately.

Please query by email first if you have something you think may fit.

Best,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds.
FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF
POETRY AND AESTHETICS
334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2
Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
phone 617-864-7874
e-mail editor at fulcrumpoetry.com

On Jul 10, 2006, at 1:12 AM, Elaine Brown wrote:

> Oh!  My goodness!
>
> Hello Steve,
>
> I am in Anchorage until early August.  I would love to hear  
> anything you have to say about the Fairbanks program, as well as  
> what you think of the town.  Where are you from originally?  Thank  
> you for extending a response to my introduction.
>
> Elaine
>
>
> On 7/9/06 11:33 PM, "steve moore" <fssam6 at uaf.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hello Elaine. I am currently living in Fairbanks, Alaska,  
>> attending the UAF MFA in Poetry program.
>> On Jul 9, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Elaine Brown wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  Hello,
>>>
>>>  I have recently joined the New Poetry listserv and so thought I  
>>> should introduce myself to the group.
>>>
>>>  My name is Elaine Brown.  Originally from Alaska, I now live in  
>>> Montreal, Quebec, Canada with my daughter, Rachel.  We also lived  
>>> in Flagstaff, Arizona for three years where I was a student of  
>>> Jim Simmerman?s.  He was an excellent teacher.  I will always  
>>> regard him as the person that opened the door to my really  
>>> beginning to understand how to write.  In Montreal, Rachel is  
>>> attending French elementary school, and as a result becoming bi- 
>>> lingual.  And I am there attending a doctoral program in  
>>> philosophy at McGill University.  I?ll admit it is a struggle to  
>>> balance my poet life with my philosophy life but I venture on  
>>> trying.  It?s been a pleasure reading the various discussions  
>>> happening here at New Poetry, and I appreciate the poems that  
>>> have recently been posted as well.  It?s always a pleasure to be  
>>> reminded of the many many ways it is possible to write a poem.
>>>
>>>  All the best to the others at New Poetry.
>>>  Sincerely,
>>>  Elaine Brown
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New-Poetry mailing list
>>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hawkbrwn at msn.com  Mon Jul 10 05:04:27 2006
From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:04:27 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <7E2C6A59-24D3-4EE6-8F98-1D8EDEB23289@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV5876BD67C8613B624A48ED96B0@phx.gbl>

Hello Chris,

Thank you very much for forwarding this CFP to me.  I will go ahead and send
a query, and I look forward to reading this issue when it becomes available!

By the way, do you teach at St. Mary?s?
Elaine


On 7/10/06 12:18 AM, "Chris Stroffolino" <cstroffo at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi Elaine----
> I don't know if this message was forwarded to this poetry list, but I thought
> I'd forward it because it sounds like it could be right up your alley----
> Chris
> (forwarded message here)
> 
> This is a last-minute call for essays for a feature tentatively titled
> "Poets and Philosophers," which will appear in Fulcrum 5.
> 
> The issue is almost ready to go to press, which means we would need to
> see the work near-immediately.
> 
> Please query by email first if you have something you think may fit.
> 
> Best,
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds.
> FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF
> POETRY AND AESTHETICS
> 334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2
> Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
> phone 617-864-7874
> e-mail editor at fulcrumpoetry.com
> 
> On Jul 10, 2006, at 1:12 AM, Elaine Brown wrote:
> 
>>  Oh! ?My goodness! ?
>>  
>>  Hello Steve, 
>>  
>>  I am in Anchorage until early August. ?I would love to hear anything you
>> have to say about the Fairbanks program, as well as what you think of the
>> town. ?Where are you from originally? ?Thank you for extending a response to
>> my introduction.
>>  
>>  Elaine 
>>  
>>  
>>  On 7/9/06 11:33 PM, "steve moore" <fssam6 at uaf.edu> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>>> Hello Elaine. I am currently living in Fairbanks, Alaska, attending the UAF
>>> MFA in Poetry program.
>>>  On Jul 9, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Elaine Brown wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  ?Hello,
>>>>  ?
>>>>  ?I have recently joined the New Poetry listserv and so thought I should
>>>> introduce myself to the group. ?
>>>>  ?
>>>>  ?My name is Elaine Brown. ?Originally from Alaska, I now live in Montreal,
>>>> Quebec, Canada with my daughter, Rachel. ?We also lived in Flagstaff,
>>>> Arizona for three years where I was a student of Jim Simmerman?s. ?He was
>>>> an excellent teacher. ?I will always regard him as the person that opened
>>>> the door to my really beginning to understand how to write. ?In Montreal,
>>>> Rachel is attending French elementary school, and as a result becoming
>>>> bi-lingual. ?And I am there attending a doctoral program in philosophy at
>>>> McGill University. ?I?ll admit it is a struggle to balance my poet life
>>>> with my philosophy life but I venture on trying. ?It?s been a pleasure
>>>> reading the various discussions happening here at New Poetry, and I
>>>> appreciate the poems that have recently been posted as well. ?It?s always a
>>>> pleasure to be reminded of the many many ways it is possible to write a
>>>> poem.
>>>>  ?
>>>>  ?All the best to the others at New Poetry.
>>>>  ?Sincerely,
>>>>  ?Elaine Brown
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>  New-Poetry mailing list
>>>>  New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>>  http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>>  ?
>>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>  New-Poetry mailing list
>>>  New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>  http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>  
>> 
>>  
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>  
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
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From cstroffo at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 10 05:11:49 2006
From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:11:49 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV5876BD67C8613B624A48ED96B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV5876BD67C8613B624A48ED96B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7A69874E-FACF-48CA-BA8F-5F485818ABE3@earthlink.net>

Hi Elaine--You're welcome.-I have taught at St. Mary's as a visiting  
poet, but currently I'm not there. A good student (Nate Mohatt) of  
mine was from Alaska and has recently moved back. I don't know if you  
know him, but I could try to put you in touch....(it's a big state, I  
know!)....
Chris
On Jul 10, 2006, at 2:04 AM, Elaine Brown wrote:

> Hello Chris,
>
> Thank you very much for forwarding this CFP to me.  I will go ahead  
> and send a query, and I look forward to reading this issue when it  
> becomes available!
>
> By the way, do you teach at St. Mary?s?
> Elaine
>
>
> On 7/10/06 12:18 AM, "Chris Stroffolino" <cstroffo at earthlink.net>  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Elaine----
>> I don't know if this message was forwarded to this poetry list,  
>> but I thought I'd forward it because it sounds like it could be  
>> right up your alley----
>> Chris
>> (forwarded message here)
>>
>> This is a last-minute call for essays for a feature tentatively  
>> titled
>> "Poets and Philosophers," which will appear in Fulcrum 5.
>>
>> The issue is almost ready to go to press, which means we would  
>> need to
>> see the work near-immediately.
>>
>> Please query by email first if you have something you think may fit.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds.
>> FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF
>> POETRY AND AESTHETICS
>> 334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2
>> Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
>> phone 617-864-7874
>> e-mail editor at fulcrumpoetry.com
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2006, at 1:12 AM, Elaine Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Oh!  My goodness!
>>>
>>>  Hello Steve,
>>>
>>>  I am in Anchorage until early August.  I would love to hear  
>>> anything you have to say about the Fairbanks program, as well as  
>>> what you think of the town.  Where are you from originally?   
>>> Thank you for extending a response to my introduction.
>>>
>>>  Elaine
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 7/9/06 11:33 PM, "steve moore" <fssam6 at uaf.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Elaine. I am currently living in Fairbanks, Alaska,  
>>>> attending the UAF MFA in Poetry program.
>>>>  On Jul 9, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Elaine Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>   I have recently joined the New Poetry listserv and so thought  
>>>>> I should introduce myself to the group.
>>>>>
>>>>>   My name is Elaine Brown.  Originally from Alaska, I now live  
>>>>> in Montreal, Quebec, Canada with my daughter, Rachel.  We also  
>>>>> lived in Flagstaff, Arizona for three years where I was a  
>>>>> student of Jim Simmerman?s.  He was an excellent teacher.  I  
>>>>> will always regard him as the person that opened the door to my  
>>>>> really beginning to understand how to write.  In Montreal,  
>>>>> Rachel is attending French elementary school, and as a result  
>>>>> becoming bi-lingual.  And I am there attending a doctoral  
>>>>> program in philosophy at McGill University.  I?ll admit it is a  
>>>>> struggle to balance my poet life with my philosophy life but I  
>>>>> venture on trying.  It?s been a pleasure reading the various  
>>>>> discussions happening here at New Poetry, and I appreciate the  
>>>>> poems that have recently been posted as well.  It?s always a  
>>>>> pleasure to be reminded of the many many ways it is possible to  
>>>>> write a poem.
>>>>>
>>>>>   All the best to the others at New Poetry.
>>>>>   Sincerely,
>>>>>   Elaine Brown
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>  New-Poetry mailing list
>>>>>  New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>>>  http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From hawkbrwn at msn.com  Mon Jul 10 05:25:32 2006
From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:25:32 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
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Hi Chris,  Ah!  Okay.  I remember seeing your name on their site (maybe last
year) when I was looking at who was teaching there.  I?ve worked with Brenda
Hillman both at Squaw and St. Petersburg and so was curious about the
program.  She?s wonderful.

Yes, I?d be happy to be in contact with Nate Mohatt.  I don?t believe I know
him but it would be fun to be in touch with another Alaskan poet.  It is a
big state but if he?s not in the same area as me, e-mail works wonders.

Elaine


On 7/10/06 1:11 AM, "Chris Stroffolino" <cstroffo at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi Elaine--You're welcome.-I have taught at St. Mary's as a visiting poet, but
> currently I'm not there. A good student (Nate Mohatt) of mine was from Alaska
> and has recently moved back. I don't know if you know him, but I could try to
> put you in touch....(it's a big state, I know!)....
> Chris
> On Jul 10, 2006, at 2:04 AM, Elaine Brown wrote:
> 
>>  Hello Chris,
>>  
>>  Thank you very much for forwarding this CFP to me. ?I will go ahead and send
>> a query, and I look forward to reading this issue when it becomes available!
>>  
>>  By the way, do you teach at St. Mary?s?
>>  Elaine
>>  
>>  
>>  On 7/10/06 12:18 AM, "Chris Stroffolino" <cstroffo at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>>> Hi Elaine----
>>>  I don't know if this message was forwarded to this poetry list, but I
>>> thought I'd forward it because it sounds like it could be right up your
>>> alley----
>>>  Chris
>>>  (forwarded message here)
>>>  
>>>  This is a last-minute call for essays for a feature tentatively titled
>>>  "Poets and Philosophers," which will appear in Fulcrum 5.
>>>  
>>>  The issue is almost ready to go to press, which means we would need to
>>>  see the work near-immediately.
>>>  
>>>  Please query by email first if you have something you think may fit.
>>>  
>>>  Best,
>>>  
>>>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>  Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds.
>>>  FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF
>>>  POETRY AND AESTHETICS
>>>  334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2
>>>  Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
>>>  phone 617-864-7874
>>>  e-mail editor at fulcrumpoetry.com
>>>  
>>>  On Jul 10, 2006, at 1:12 AM, Elaine Brown wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>>>  Oh! ?My goodness! ?
>>>>  ?
>>>>  ?Hello Steve,
>>>>  ?
>>>>  ?I am in Anchorage until early August. ?I would love to hear anything you
>>>> have to say about the Fairbanks program, as well as what you think of the
>>>> town. ?Where are you from originally? ?Thank you for extending a response
>>>> to my introduction.
>>>>  ?
>>>>  ?Elaine 
>>>>  ?
>>>>  ?
>>>>  ?On 7/9/06 11:33 PM, "steve moore" <fssam6 at uaf.edu> wrote:
>>>>  ?
>>>>  ?
>>>>  
>>>>> Hello Elaine. I am currently living in Fairbanks, Alaska, attending the
>>>>> UAF MFA in Poetry program.
>>>>>  ?On Jul 9, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Elaine Brown wrote:
>>>>>  ?
>>>>>  ?
>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  ??Hello,
>>>>>>  ??
>>>>>>  ??I have recently joined the New Poetry listserv and so thought I should
>>>>>> introduce myself to the group. ?
>>>>>>  ??
>>>>>>  ??My name is Elaine Brown. ?Originally from Alaska, I now live in
>>>>>> Montreal, Quebec, Canada with my daughter, Rachel. ?We also lived in
>>>>>> Flagstaff, Arizona for three years where I was a student of Jim
>>>>>> Simmerman?s. ?He was an excellent teacher. ?I will always regard him as
>>>>>> the person that opened the door to my really beginning to understand how
>>>>>> to write. ?In Montreal, Rachel is attending French elementary school, and
>>>>>> as a result becoming bi-lingual. ?And I am there attending a doctoral
>>>>>> program in philosophy at McGill University. ?I?ll admit it is a struggle
>>>>>> to balance my poet life with my philosophy life but I venture on trying.
>>>>>> ?It?s been a pleasure reading the various discussions happening here at
>>>>>> New Poetry, and I appreciate the poems that have recently been posted as
>>>>>> well. ?It?s always a pleasure to be reminded of the many many ways it is
>>>>>> possible to write a poem.
>>>>>>  ??
>>>>>>  ??All the best to the others at New Poetry.
>>>>>>  ??Sincerely,
>>>>>>  ??Elaine Brown
>>>>>>  ?_______________________________________________
>>>>>>  ?New-Poetry mailing list
>>>>>>  ?New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>>>>  ?http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>>>>  ??
>>>>>>  ?
>>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  ?
>>>>>  ?
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>  ?New-Poetry mailing list
>>>>>  ?New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>>>  ?http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>>>  ?
>>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  ?
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>  New-Poetry mailing list
>>>>  New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>>  http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>>>  ?
>>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
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>> 
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From jeff.newberry at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 10:07:39 2006
From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:07:39 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
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Hello Elaine,

Welcome.  I've a tough time balancing poetry and philosophy myself, so I
think I know where you're coming from.

Good to have you here.

Jeff Newberry


On 7/9/06, Elaine Brown <hawkbrwn at msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have recently joined the New Poetry listserv and so thought I should
> introduce myself to the group.
>
> My name is Elaine Brown.  Originally from Alaska, I now live in Montreal,
> Quebec, Canada with my daughter, Rachel.  We also lived in Flagstaff,
> Arizona for three years where I was a student of Jim Simmerman's.  He was an
> excellent teacher.  I will always regard him as the person that opened the
> door to my really beginning to understand how to write.  In Montreal, Rachel
> is attending French elementary school, and as a result becoming bi-lingual.
>  And I am there attending a doctoral program in philosophy at McGill
> University.  I'll admit it is a struggle to balance my poet life with my
> philosophy life but I venture on trying.  It's been a pleasure reading the
> various discussions happening here at New Poetry, and I appreciate the poems
> that have recently been posted as well.  It's always a pleasure to be
> reminded of the many many ways it is possible to write a poem.
>
> All the best to the others at New Poetry.
> Sincerely,
> Elaine Brown
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
>


-- 
"Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death."
                                                   --Miguel de Unamuno

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From kpaul at mallasch.com  Mon Jul 10 11:00:37 2006
From: kpaul at mallasch.com (kpaul mallasch)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:00:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
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yes, welcome aboard.

-kpaul



From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 13:00:47 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:00:47 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
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On 7/9/06, JforJames at aol.com <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailfeatures.asp?fileid=20060709.M01&irec=24
> Poetry fest: Ding-dong, the poet is (not) dead
> Hera Diani, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta
>
> Egyptian poet Ahmed Abdul Mooty Hezagy was restless; he felt that poetry no
> longer existed in people's lives. There was a population of around 250
> million in Indonesia, he said, but a single poetry collection is only read
> by, what, 1,000 readers?
>
> He pointed to Egypt where, with a 70 million population, one book is read by
> the same number of readers, or 2,000-3,000 readers tops.
>
> "We need poetry in life, but why is poetry not popular anymore?" he asked.

If numbers matter, perhaps poetry can take a cue from this:

Jesus Christ's Superflock
Megachurches have found the secret to attracting the unchurched?and
it's not just the Sunday service.

James B. Twitchell
March/April 2005  Issue

In South Barrington, Illinois, just northwest of Chicago, lies a
155-acre campus resembling a junior college or perhaps a manufacturer
of something clean, like pharmaceuticals or computer parts. On one
side of the main compound is a greensward, on another side is a
five-acre reflecting pond, and out in front are vast black slabs of
endless parking, where swarms of men wearing reflective vests and
radio headsets assist drivers attempting to find an open space.
Shuttle buses loop around the lots; sometimes it's so busy that
off-duty cops are hired to help direct traffic.

It looks like a mall on a busy holiday weekend, but it is the Willow
Creek Community Church, and it could be any weekend. In almost every
city or suburb of more than 200,000 there is a similar megachurch, as
they are known, a product of suburban sprawl, religious marketing,
consumer demand, the entertainment economy, and the good old-fashioned
yearning for communal experience. Megachurches draw young, committed,
and energetic members; listen to parishioners talk and you will hear a
refrain of growth?"we're growing"?as if it were proof of redemptive
success. And they deliver a highly emotional product: the marriage of
group affiliation and a conversion experience, complete with videos,
pop music, and other modern dramatic flourishes.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/03/megachurches.html

-- Jim

~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/



From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Jul 10 13:11:31 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:11:31 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
References: <3c7.4f7d213.31e2caf6@aol.com>
	<648208b60607101000n172501b0ha28c37a588c9b333@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005201c6a443$e3c15460$3ee03652@ANNY>

You think? (I know you don't) - Bob Gruman would come _only _if you give him 
some paper to draw and you do not annoy him; Tad _only _if he could play and 
sing what he wants; James _only _if you give him a fishing rod and let him 
run; Hal _only _if he can be in Mexico; me _only _if you leave me alone; ...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...


> On 7/9/06, JforJames at aol.com <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailfeatures.asp?fileid=20060709.M01&irec=24
>> Poetry fest: Ding-dong, the poet is (not) dead
>> Hera Diani, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta
>>
>> Egyptian poet Ahmed Abdul Mooty Hezagy was restless; he felt that poetry 
>> no
>> longer existed in people's lives. There was a population of around 250
>> million in Indonesia, he said, but a single poetry collection is only 
>> read
>> by, what, 1,000 readers?
>>
>> He pointed to Egypt where, with a 70 million population, one book is read 
>> by
>> the same number of readers, or 2,000-3,000 readers tops.
>>
>> "We need poetry in life, but why is poetry not popular anymore?" he 
>> asked.
>
> If numbers matter, perhaps poetry can take a cue from this:
>
> Jesus Christ's Superflock
> Megachurches have found the secret to attracting the unchurched?and
> it's not just the Sunday service.
>
> James B. Twitchell
> March/April 2005  Issue
>
> In South Barrington, Illinois, just northwest of Chicago, lies a
> 155-acre campus resembling a junior college or perhaps a manufacturer
> of something clean, like pharmaceuticals or computer parts. On one
> side of the main compound is a greensward, on another side is a
> five-acre reflecting pond, and out in front are vast black slabs of
> endless parking, where swarms of men wearing reflective vests and
> radio headsets assist drivers attempting to find an open space.
> Shuttle buses loop around the lots; sometimes it's so busy that
> off-duty cops are hired to help direct traffic.
>
> It looks like a mall on a busy holiday weekend, but it is the Willow
> Creek Community Church, and it could be any weekend. In almost every
> city or suburb of more than 200,000 there is a similar megachurch, as
> they are known, a product of suburban sprawl, religious marketing,
> consumer demand, the entertainment economy, and the good old-fashioned
> yearning for communal experience. Megachurches draw young, committed,
> and energetic members; listen to parishioners talk and you will hear a
> refrain of growth?"we're growing"?as if it were proof of redemptive
> success. And they deliver a highly emotional product: the marriage of
> group affiliation and a conversion experience, complete with videos,
> pop music, and other modern dramatic flourishes.
>
> http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/03/megachurches.html
>
> -- Jim
>
> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/




From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 14:19:14 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:19:14 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
In-Reply-To: <005201c6a443$e3c15460$3ee03652@ANNY>
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On 7/10/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
> You think? (I know you don't) - Bob Gruman would come _only _if you give him
> some paper to draw and you do not annoy him; Tad _only _if he could play and
> sing what he wants; James _only _if you give him a fishing rod and let him
> run; Hal _only _if he can be in Mexico; me _only _if you leave me alone; ...

That'll work.  But we need some entertainment element for the masses
waiting to be converted to poetry.  Violence a la Kill Bill,
indigenous nudity, sex a la Kill Bill, rap, animation, interpretive
dance a la Kill Bill.  Or, it could just be that people (not us) think
poetry requires deep thinking and analysis (like in school) and that
it isn't poetry if there's no end rhyme.  Or maybe poetry already has
all the audience it's ever going to have, which is o.k. by me.  Or,
hypothetically, divide 10,000 staunch readers of poetry (USA) by
3,000+ books of poetry, and you have 3.34 readers per book, or 6.68
readers for one particular book and 0.0 for that other etc.

-- Jim

"It was another steely winter, branches and icicles making the same
sound when they snapped.  The sky merely lightened and darkened.  A
hundred and ten days of the same snapshot, the same smoke rising in
the same way from the same chimney.  Olga's dreams supplied the only
variety, each of them different every night.  Too bad she could not
remember them and she woke from each with the same thought: the dams
will hold in spring."  - Piers Wong

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/


From halvard at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 10 14:46:42 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:46:42 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
In-Reply-To: <648208b60607101119h7022ee29n3f114bd664ef8a46@mail.gmail.com>
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The mere thought of a poetry fest (even in Mexico,
even right across the street) puts me to sleep.

Zzzzzzzzzz.

Hal

"A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
  suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
  how dearly we must pay for the invention of
  speech."
			--E. M. Cioran

Halvard Johnson
================
halvard at gmail.com
halvard at earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org

On Jul 10, 2006, at 1:19 PM, James Cervantes wrote:

> On 7/10/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
>> You think? (I know you don't) - Bob Gruman would come _only _if  
>> you give him
>> some paper to draw and you do not annoy him; Tad _only _if he  
>> could play and
>> sing what he wants; James _only _if you give him a fishing rod and  
>> let him
>> run; Hal _only _if he can be in Mexico; me _only _if you leave me  
>> alone; ...
>
> That'll work.  But we need some entertainment element for the masses
> waiting to be converted to poetry.  Violence a la Kill Bill,
> indigenous nudity, sex a la Kill Bill, rap, animation, interpretive
> dance a la Kill Bill.  Or, it could just be that people (not us) think
> poetry requires deep thinking and analysis (like in school) and that
> it isn't poetry if there's no end rhyme.  Or maybe poetry already has
> all the audience it's ever going to have, which is o.k. by me.  Or,
> hypothetically, divide 10,000 staunch readers of poetry (USA) by
> 3,000+ books of poetry, and you have 3.34 readers per book, or 6.68
> readers for one particular book and 0.0 for that other etc.
>
> -- Jim
>
> "It was another steely winter, branches and icicles making the same
> sound when they snapped.  The sky merely lightened and darkened.  A
> hundred and ten days of the same snapshot, the same smoke rising in
> the same way from the same chimney.  Olga's dreams supplied the only
> variety, each of them different every night.  Too bad she could not
> remember them and she woke from each with the same thought: the dams
> will hold in spring."  - Piers Wong
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
> _______________________________________________
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> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry



From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Jul 10 14:57:32 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:57:32 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
References: <3c7.4f7d213.31e2caf6@aol.com><648208b60607101000n172501b0ha28c37a588c9b333@mail.gmail.com><005201c6a443$e3c15460$3ee03652@ANNY>
	<648208b60607101119h7022ee29n3f114bd664ef8a46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301c6a452$b372da40$3ee03652@ANNY>

That is all right with me,
and there are a couple of poor souls out there who read the senseless things 
I write;
I should therefore think that I am eating down a good percentage of readers.

Wonderful quotation you are trailing along,
re.: violence, indigenous nudity, sex, rap, animation, interpretative 
dance_dance I think we sublimize it all, better than Christians and the lot,
/                /
rotten lot
sculpted on the loft of their spiritual virtual soft

taken for an aeroplane (the letter by The Box Tops)


From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:19 PM


> On 7/10/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
>> You think? (I know you don't) - Bob Gruman would come _only _if you give 
>> him
>> some paper to draw and you do not annoy him; Tad _only _if he could play 
>> and
>> sing what he wants; James _only _if you give him a fishing rod and let 
>> him
>> run; Hal _only _if he can be in Mexico; me _only _if you leave me alone; 
>> ...
>
> That'll work.  But we need some entertainment element for the masses
> waiting to be converted to poetry.  Violence a la Kill Bill,
> indigenous nudity, sex a la Kill Bill, rap, animation, interpretive
> dance a la Kill Bill.  Or, it could just be that people (not us) think
> poetry requires deep thinking and analysis (like in school) and that
> it isn't poetry if there's no end rhyme.  Or maybe poetry already has
> all the audience it's ever going to have, which is o.k. by me.  Or,
> hypothetically, divide 10,000 staunch readers of poetry (USA) by
> 3,000+ books of poetry, and you have 3.34 readers per book, or 6.68
> readers for one particular book and 0.0 for that other etc.
>
> -- Jim
>
> "It was another steely winter, branches and icicles making the same
> sound when they snapped.  The sky merely lightened and darkened.  A
> hundred and ten days of the same snapshot, the same smoke rising in
> the same way from the same chimney.  Olga's dreams supplied the only
> variety, each of them different every night.  Too bad she could not
> remember them and she woke from each with the same thought: the dams
> will hold in spring."  - Piers Wong
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
> 




From tad at opus40.org  Mon Jul 10 16:44:29 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:44:29 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
References: <3c7.4f7d213.31e2caf6@aol.com>
	<648208b60607101000n172501b0ha28c37a588c9b333@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005601c6a461$a47bd640$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>

I was involved with the Woodstock Poetry Festival for the three years of its 
existence, and it could not have been more successful. The town filled up 
with people -- every event was packed.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp, Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...


> On 7/9/06, JforJames at aol.com <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailfeatures.asp?fileid=20060709.M01&irec=24
>> Poetry fest: Ding-dong, the poet is (not) dead
>> Hera Diani, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta
>>
>> Egyptian poet Ahmed Abdul Mooty Hezagy was restless; he felt that poetry 
>> no
>> longer existed in people's lives. There was a population of around 250
>> million in Indonesia, he said, but a single poetry collection is only 
>> read
>> by, what, 1,000 readers?
>>
>> He pointed to Egypt where, with a 70 million population, one book is read 
>> by
>> the same number of readers, or 2,000-3,000 readers tops.
>>
>> "We need poetry in life, but why is poetry not popular anymore?" he 
>> asked.
>
> If numbers matter, perhaps poetry can take a cue from this:
>
> Jesus Christ's Superflock
> Megachurches have found the secret to attracting the unchurched?and
> it's not just the Sunday service.
>
> James B. Twitchell
> March/April 2005  Issue
>
> In South Barrington, Illinois, just northwest of Chicago, lies a
> 155-acre campus resembling a junior college or perhaps a manufacturer
> of something clean, like pharmaceuticals or computer parts. On one
> side of the main compound is a greensward, on another side is a
> five-acre reflecting pond, and out in front are vast black slabs of
> endless parking, where swarms of men wearing reflective vests and
> radio headsets assist drivers attempting to find an open space.
> Shuttle buses loop around the lots; sometimes it's so busy that
> off-duty cops are hired to help direct traffic.
>
> It looks like a mall on a busy holiday weekend, but it is the Willow
> Creek Community Church, and it could be any weekend. In almost every
> city or suburb of more than 200,000 there is a similar megachurch, as
> they are known, a product of suburban sprawl, religious marketing,
> consumer demand, the entertainment economy, and the good old-fashioned
> yearning for communal experience. Megachurches draw young, committed,
> and energetic members; listen to parishioners talk and you will hear a
> refrain of growth?"we're growing"?as if it were proof of redemptive
> success. And they deliver a highly emotional product: the marriage of
> group affiliation and a conversion experience, complete with videos,
> pop music, and other modern dramatic flourishes.
>
> http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/03/megachurches.html
>
> -- Jim
>
> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
>
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From tad at opus40.org  Mon Jul 10 16:45:13 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:45:13 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
References: <3c7.4f7d213.31e2caf6@aol.com><648208b60607101000n172501b0ha28c37a588c9b333@mail.gmail.com>
	<005201c6a443$e3c15460$3ee03652@ANNY>
Message-ID: <005b01c6a461$be990480$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>

Then it won't work out, Anny, because we could never leave you alone.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anny Ballardini" <anny.ballardini at tin.it>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...


> You think? (I know you don't) - Bob Gruman would come _only _if you give 
> him some paper to draw and you do not annoy him; Tad _only _if he could 
> play and sing what he wants; James _only _if you give him a fishing rod 
> and let him run; Hal _only _if he can be in Mexico; me _only _if you leave 
> me alone; ...
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views" 
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>
>
>> On 7/9/06, JforJames at aol.com <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailfeatures.asp?fileid=20060709.M01&irec=24
>>> Poetry fest: Ding-dong, the poet is (not) dead
>>> Hera Diani, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta
>>>
>>> Egyptian poet Ahmed Abdul Mooty Hezagy was restless; he felt that poetry 
>>> no
>>> longer existed in people's lives. There was a population of around 250
>>> million in Indonesia, he said, but a single poetry collection is only 
>>> read
>>> by, what, 1,000 readers?
>>>
>>> He pointed to Egypt where, with a 70 million population, one book is 
>>> read by
>>> the same number of readers, or 2,000-3,000 readers tops.
>>>
>>> "We need poetry in life, but why is poetry not popular anymore?" he 
>>> asked.
>>
>> If numbers matter, perhaps poetry can take a cue from this:
>>
>> Jesus Christ's Superflock
>> Megachurches have found the secret to attracting the unchurched?and
>> it's not just the Sunday service.
>>
>> James B. Twitchell
>> March/April 2005  Issue
>>
>> In South Barrington, Illinois, just northwest of Chicago, lies a
>> 155-acre campus resembling a junior college or perhaps a manufacturer
>> of something clean, like pharmaceuticals or computer parts. On one
>> side of the main compound is a greensward, on another side is a
>> five-acre reflecting pond, and out in front are vast black slabs of
>> endless parking, where swarms of men wearing reflective vests and
>> radio headsets assist drivers attempting to find an open space.
>> Shuttle buses loop around the lots; sometimes it's so busy that
>> off-duty cops are hired to help direct traffic.
>>
>> It looks like a mall on a busy holiday weekend, but it is the Willow
>> Creek Community Church, and it could be any weekend. In almost every
>> city or suburb of more than 200,000 there is a similar megachurch, as
>> they are known, a product of suburban sprawl, religious marketing,
>> consumer demand, the entertainment economy, and the good old-fashioned
>> yearning for communal experience. Megachurches draw young, committed,
>> and energetic members; listen to parishioners talk and you will hear a
>> refrain of growth?"we're growing"?as if it were proof of redemptive
>> success. And they deliver a highly emotional product: the marriage of
>> group affiliation and a conversion experience, complete with videos,
>> pop music, and other modern dramatic flourishes.
>>
>> http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/03/megachurches.html
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
>> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
>> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
>> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> 



From JforJames at aol.com  Mon Jul 10 16:46:09 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:46:09 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
Message-ID: <508.3ca48da.31e41691@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/10/2006 1:01:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
cervantes.james at gmail.com writes:

In South  Barrington, Illinois, just northwest of Chicago, lies a
155-acre campus  resembling a junior college or perhaps a manufacturer
of something clean,  like pharmaceuticals or computer parts. On one
side of the main compound is  a greensward, on another side is a
five-acre reflecting pond, and out in  front are vast black slabs of
endless parking, where swarms of men wearing  reflective vests and
radio headsets assist drivers attempting to find an  open space.
Shuttle buses loop around the lots; sometimes it's so busy  that
off-duty cops are hired to help direct  traffic.



Sounds like the Dodge Festival... 
_http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm_ 
(http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm) 
of course 'Poets on Parade' happens
just once a year and in one small NJ village.
Finnegan
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From barryseiler at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 10 17:32:32 2006
From: barryseiler at hotmail.com (barry seiler)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:32:32 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
In-Reply-To: <508.3ca48da.31e41691@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F24A757826D32A8D5D54E2B16B0@phx.gbl>

Hi--

I joined the list recently and have been hiding in the bushes, peeping 
through the window. Just wanted to let you know that the Dodge Poetry 
Festival is once every two years. The turnout is quite wonderful. There is a 
tent where books are sold, and it is often jammed.  The good will is 
generally a little much for me to handle after a day or two, but it is real. 
Next one is this September.

Hi all,
Barry Seiler


>From: JforJames at aol.com
>Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" 
><new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:46:09 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 7/10/2006 1:01:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>cervantes.james at gmail.com writes:
>
>In South  Barrington, Illinois, just northwest of Chicago, lies a
>155-acre campus  resembling a junior college or perhaps a manufacturer
>of something clean,  like pharmaceuticals or computer parts. On one
>side of the main compound is  a greensward, on another side is a
>five-acre reflecting pond, and out in  front are vast black slabs of
>endless parking, where swarms of men wearing  reflective vests and
>radio headsets assist drivers attempting to find an  open space.
>Shuttle buses loop around the lots; sometimes it's so busy  that
>off-duty cops are hired to help direct  traffic.
>
>
>
>Sounds like the Dodge Festival...
>_http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm_
>(http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm)
>of course 'Poets on Parade' happens
>just once a year and in one small NJ village.
>Finnegan


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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 17:38:50 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:38:50 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
In-Reply-To: <508.3ca48da.31e41691@aol.com>
References: <508.3ca48da.31e41691@aol.com>
Message-ID: <648208b60607101438g19925d31pd8b5cf08eb1c4bfb@mail.gmail.com>

Great.  The "nearly 20,000" people should be made to buy at least one
book each and read it before they leave, otherwise it's to the
compound reserved for poetry entertainment fans.  Just think, 20,000
books of poetry bought and actually read!

- Jim

On 7/10/06, JforJames at aol.com <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 7/10/2006 1:01:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> cervantes.james at gmail.com writes:
> In South Barrington, Illinois, just northwest of Chicago, lies a
> 155-acre campus resembling a junior college or perhaps a manufacturer
> of something clean, like pharmaceuticals or computer parts. On one
> side of the main compound is a greensward, on another side is a
> five-acre reflecting pond, and out in front are vast black slabs of
> endless parking, where swarms of men wearing reflective vests and
> radio headsets assist drivers attempting to find an open space.
> Shuttle buses loop around the lots; sometimes it's so busy that
> off-duty cops are hired to help direct traffic.
>
>
> Sounds like the Dodge Festival...
> http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm
> of course 'Poets on Parade' happens
> just once a year and in one small NJ village.
> Finnegan
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
>


From barryseiler at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 10 17:47:35 2006
From: barryseiler at hotmail.com (barry seiler)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:47:35 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
In-Reply-To: <648208b60607101438g19925d31pd8b5cf08eb1c4bfb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F11E0ACF89701FEAA605C44B16B0@phx.gbl>

Well, anyway, bought.
Barry


>From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" 
><new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp,Views" 
><new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:38:50 -0700
>
>Great.  The "nearly 20,000" people should be made to buy at least one
>book each and read it before they leave, otherwise it's to the
>compound reserved for poetry entertainment fans.  Just think, 20,000
>books of poetry bought and actually read!
>
>- Jim
>
>On 7/10/06, JforJames at aol.com <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 7/10/2006 1:01:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>cervantes.james at gmail.com writes:
>>In South Barrington, Illinois, just northwest of Chicago, lies a
>>155-acre campus resembling a junior college or perhaps a manufacturer
>>of something clean, like pharmaceuticals or computer parts. On one
>>side of the main compound is a greensward, on another side is a
>>five-acre reflecting pond, and out in front are vast black slabs of
>>endless parking, where swarms of men wearing reflective vests and
>>radio headsets assist drivers attempting to find an open space.
>>Shuttle buses loop around the lots; sometimes it's so busy that
>>off-duty cops are hired to help direct traffic.
>>
>>
>>Sounds like the Dodge Festival...
>>http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm
>>of course 'Poets on Parade' happens
>>just once a year and in one small NJ village.
>>Finnegan
>>_______________________________________________
>>New-Poetry mailing list
>>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>>
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From JforJames at aol.com  Mon Jul 10 17:52:47 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:52:47 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
Message-ID: <53b.301562a.31e4262f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/10/2006 5:39:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
cervantes.james at gmail.com writes:

Great.  The "nearly 20,000" people should be made to buy at least  one
book each and read it before they leave, otherwise it's to  the
compound reserved for poetry entertainment fans.  Just think,  20,000
books of poetry bought and actually  read!



And they should all be tested on the contents of the book...
No Poetry Reader Left Behind.
Finnegan
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From halvard at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 10 17:55:15 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:55:15 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F24A757826D32A8D5D54E2B16B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-F24A757826D32A8D5D54E2B16B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43B2687C-3868-45E5-A6DD-BE3AFFDB22B1@earthlink.net>

Hi, Barry. Welcome aboard. Still teaching at NJIT,
or do I have the wrong Seiler?

Hal

"A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
  suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
  how dearly we must pay for the invention of
  speech."
			--E. M. Cioran

Halvard Johnson
================
halvard at gmail.com
halvard at earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org

On Jul 10, 2006, at 4:32 PM, barry seiler wrote:

> Hi--
>
> I joined the list recently and have been hiding in the bushes,  
> peeping through the window. Just wanted to let you know that the  
> Dodge Poetry Festival is once every two years. The turnout is quite  
> wonderful. There is a tent where books are sold, and it is often  
> jammed.  The good will is generally a little much for me to handle  
> after a day or two, but it is real. Next one is this September.
>
> Hi all,
> Barry Seiler
>
>
>> From: JforJames at aol.com
>> Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" <new- 
>> poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:46:09 EDT
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/10/2006 1:01:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> cervantes.james at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> In South  Barrington, Illinois, just northwest of Chicago, lies a
>> 155-acre campus  resembling a junior college or perhaps a  
>> manufacturer
>> of something clean,  like pharmaceuticals or computer parts. On one
>> side of the main compound is  a greensward, on another side is a
>> five-acre reflecting pond, and out in  front are vast black slabs of
>> endless parking, where swarms of men wearing  reflective vests and
>> radio headsets assist drivers attempting to find an  open space.
>> Shuttle buses loop around the lots; sometimes it's so busy  that
>> off-duty cops are hired to help direct  traffic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like the Dodge Festival...
>> _http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm_
>> (http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm)
>> of course 'Poets on Parade' happens
>> just once a year and in one small NJ village.
>> Finnegan
>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New-Poetry mailing list
>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
>
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From barryseiler at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 10 18:10:35 2006
From: barryseiler at hotmail.com (barry seiler)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:10:35 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
In-Reply-To: <43B2687C-3868-45E5-A6DD-BE3AFFDB22B1@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F18247B4A81781A09E5094CB16B0@phx.gbl>

Hi Hal--

Adjuncted there a bit way back when. I'm across the street at Rutgers 
Newark.

Barry


>From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" 
><new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" 
><new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:55:15 -0500
>
>Hi, Barry. Welcome aboard. Still teaching at NJIT,
>or do I have the wrong Seiler?
>
>Hal
>
>"A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
>  suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
>  how dearly we must pay for the invention of
>  speech."
>			--E. M. Cioran
>
>Halvard Johnson
>================
>halvard at gmail.com
>halvard at earthlink.net
>http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
>http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>
>On Jul 10, 2006, at 4:32 PM, barry seiler wrote:
>
>>Hi--
>>
>>I joined the list recently and have been hiding in the bushes,  peeping 
>>through the window. Just wanted to let you know that the  Dodge Poetry 
>>Festival is once every two years. The turnout is quite  wonderful. There 
>>is a tent where books are sold, and it is often  jammed.  The good will is 
>>generally a little much for me to handle  after a day or two, but it is 
>>real. Next one is this September.
>>
>>Hi all,
>>Barry Seiler
>>
>>
>>>From: JforJames at aol.com
>>>Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" <new- 
>>>poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>>To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>>>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:46:09 EDT
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 7/10/2006 1:01:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>cervantes.james at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>>In South  Barrington, Illinois, just northwest of Chicago, lies a
>>>155-acre campus  resembling a junior college or perhaps a  manufacturer
>>>of something clean,  like pharmaceuticals or computer parts. On one
>>>side of the main compound is  a greensward, on another side is a
>>>five-acre reflecting pond, and out in  front are vast black slabs of
>>>endless parking, where swarms of men wearing  reflective vests and
>>>radio headsets assist drivers attempting to find an  open space.
>>>Shuttle buses loop around the lots; sometimes it's so busy  that
>>>off-duty cops are hired to help direct  traffic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Sounds like the Dodge Festival...
>>>_http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm_
>>>(http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm)
>>>of course 'Poets on Parade' happens
>>>just once a year and in one small NJ village.
>>>Finnegan
>>
>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>New-Poetry mailing list
>>>New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>
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From halvard at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 10 18:46:16 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:46:16 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
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My mistake, Barry. I too was adjuncting at Rutgers
Newark when we used to have those little chats
in the stairwell.

Hal

"A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
  suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
  how dearly we must pay for the invention of
  speech."
			--E. M. Cioran

Halvard Johnson
================
halvard at gmail.com
halvard at earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org

On Jul 10, 2006, at 5:10 PM, barry seiler wrote:

> Hi Hal--
>
> Adjuncted there a bit way back when. I'm across the street at  
> Rutgers Newark.
>
> Barry
>
>
>> From: Halvard Johnson <halvard at earthlink.net>
>> Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" <new- 
>> poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" <new- 
>> poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:55:15 -0500
>>
>> Hi, Barry. Welcome aboard. Still teaching at NJIT,
>> or do I have the wrong Seiler?
>>
>> Hal
>>
>> "A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
>>  suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
>>  how dearly we must pay for the invention of
>>  speech."
>> 			--E. M. Cioran
>>
>> Halvard Johnson
>> ================
>> halvard at gmail.com
>> halvard at earthlink.net
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
>> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2006, at 4:32 PM, barry seiler wrote:
>>
>>> Hi--
>>>
>>> I joined the list recently and have been hiding in the bushes,   
>>> peeping through the window. Just wanted to let you know that the   
>>> Dodge Poetry Festival is once every two years. The turnout is  
>>> quite  wonderful. There is a tent where books are sold, and it is  
>>> often  jammed.  The good will is generally a little much for me  
>>> to handle  after a day or two, but it is real. Next one is this  
>>> September.
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Barry Seiler
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: JforJames at aol.com
>>>> Reply-To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views" <new-  
>>>> poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>>>> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>>>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international  
>>>> style...
>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:46:09 EDT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 7/10/2006 1:01:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> cervantes.james at gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> In South  Barrington, Illinois, just northwest of Chicago, lies a
>>>> 155-acre campus  resembling a junior college or perhaps a   
>>>> manufacturer
>>>> of something clean,  like pharmaceuticals or computer parts. On one
>>>> side of the main compound is  a greensward, on another side is a
>>>> five-acre reflecting pond, and out in  front are vast black  
>>>> slabs of
>>>> endless parking, where swarms of men wearing  reflective vests and
>>>> radio headsets assist drivers attempting to find an  open space.
>>>> Shuttle buses loop around the lots; sometimes it's so busy  that
>>>> off-duty cops are hired to help direct  traffic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like the Dodge Festival...
>>>> _http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm_
>>>> (http://www.grdodge.org/poetry/main.htm)
>>>> of course 'Poets on Parade' happens
>>>> just once a year and in one small NJ village.
>>>> Finnegan
>>>
>>>
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From tad at opus40.org  Mon Jul 10 18:54:03 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:54:03 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
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What's indigenous nudity?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anny Ballardini" <anny.ballardini at tin.it>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...


> That is all right with me,
> and there are a couple of poor souls out there who read the senseless 
> things I write;
> I should therefore think that I am eating down a good percentage of 
> readers.
>
> Wonderful quotation you are trailing along,
> re.: violence, indigenous nudity, sex, rap, animation, interpretative 
> dance_dance I think we sublimize it all, better than Christians and the 
> lot,
> /                /
> rotten lot
> sculpted on the loft of their spiritual virtual soft
>
> taken for an aeroplane (the letter by The Box Tops)
>
>
> From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:19 PM
>
>
>> On 7/10/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
>>> You think? (I know you don't) - Bob Gruman would come _only _if you give 
>>> him
>>> some paper to draw and you do not annoy him; Tad _only _if he could play 
>>> and
>>> sing what he wants; James _only _if you give him a fishing rod and let 
>>> him
>>> run; Hal _only _if he can be in Mexico; me _only _if you leave me alone; 
>>> ...
>>
>> That'll work.  But we need some entertainment element for the masses
>> waiting to be converted to poetry.  Violence a la Kill Bill,
>> indigenous nudity, sex a la Kill Bill, rap, animation, interpretive
>> dance a la Kill Bill.  Or, it could just be that people (not us) think
>> poetry requires deep thinking and analysis (like in school) and that
>> it isn't poetry if there's no end rhyme.  Or maybe poetry already has
>> all the audience it's ever going to have, which is o.k. by me.  Or,
>> hypothetically, divide 10,000 staunch readers of poetry (USA) by
>> 3,000+ books of poetry, and you have 3.34 readers per book, or 6.68
>> readers for one particular book and 0.0 for that other etc.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>> "It was another steely winter, branches and icicles making the same
>> sound when they snapped.  The sky merely lightened and darkened.  A
>> hundred and ten days of the same snapshot, the same smoke rising in
>> the same way from the same chimney.  Olga's dreams supplied the only
>> variety, each of them different every night.  Too bad she could not
>> remember them and she woke from each with the same thought: the dams
>> will hold in spring."  - Piers Wong
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
>> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
>> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
>> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
>>
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From halvard at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 10 18:55:45 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:55:45 -0500
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Use your imagination, Tad.


Hal

On Jul 10, 2006, at 5:54 PM, TheOldMole wrote:

> What's indigenous nudity?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anny Ballardini"  
> <anny.ballardini at tin.it>
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <new- 
> poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>
>
>> That is all right with me,
>> and there are a couple of poor souls out there who read the  
>> senseless things I write;
>> I should therefore think that I am eating down a good percentage  
>> of readers.
>>
>> Wonderful quotation you are trailing along,
>> re.: violence, indigenous nudity, sex, rap, animation,  
>> interpretative dance_dance I think we sublimize it all, better  
>> than Christians and the lot,
>> /                /
>> rotten lot
>> sculpted on the loft of their spiritual virtual soft
>>
>> taken for an aeroplane (the letter by The Box Tops)
>>
>>
>> From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:19 PM
>>
>>
>>> On 7/10/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
>>>> You think? (I know you don't) - Bob Gruman would come _only _if  
>>>> you give him
>>>> some paper to draw and you do not annoy him; Tad _only _if he  
>>>> could play and
>>>> sing what he wants; James _only _if you give him a fishing rod  
>>>> and let him
>>>> run; Hal _only _if he can be in Mexico; me _only _if you leave  
>>>> me alone; ...
>>>
>>> That'll work.  But we need some entertainment element for the masses
>>> waiting to be converted to poetry.  Violence a la Kill Bill,
>>> indigenous nudity, sex a la Kill Bill, rap, animation, interpretive
>>> dance a la Kill Bill.  Or, it could just be that people (not us)  
>>> think
>>> poetry requires deep thinking and analysis (like in school) and that
>>> it isn't poetry if there's no end rhyme.  Or maybe poetry already  
>>> has
>>> all the audience it's ever going to have, which is o.k. by me.  Or,
>>> hypothetically, divide 10,000 staunch readers of poetry (USA) by
>>> 3,000+ books of poetry, and you have 3.34 readers per book, or 6.68
>>> readers for one particular book and 0.0 for that other etc.
>>>
>>> -- Jim
>>>
>>> "It was another steely winter, branches and icicles making the same
>>> sound when they snapped.  The sky merely lightened and darkened.  A
>>> hundred and ten days of the same snapshot, the same smoke rising in
>>> the same way from the same chimney.  Olga's dreams supplied the only
>>> variety, each of them different every night.  Too bad she could not
>>> remember them and she woke from each with the same thought: the dams
>>> will hold in spring."  - Piers Wong
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
>>> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
>>> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
>>> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
>>>
>>
>>
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From tad at opus40.org  Mon Jul 10 20:03:16 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:03:16 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
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    Wow! It's that good?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Halvard Johnson" <halvard at earthlink.net>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...


> Use your imagination, Tad.
>
>
> Hal
>
> On Jul 10, 2006, at 5:54 PM, TheOldMole wrote:
>
>> What's indigenous nudity?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anny Ballardini" 
>> <anny.ballardini at tin.it>
>> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views" <new- 
>> poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>>
>>
>>> That is all right with me,
>>> and there are a couple of poor souls out there who read the  senseless 
>>> things I write;
>>> I should therefore think that I am eating down a good percentage  of 
>>> readers.
>>>
>>> Wonderful quotation you are trailing along,
>>> re.: violence, indigenous nudity, sex, rap, animation,  interpretative 
>>> dance_dance I think we sublimize it all, better  than Christians and the 
>>> lot,
>>> /                /
>>> rotten lot
>>> sculpted on the loft of their spiritual virtual soft
>>>
>>> taken for an aeroplane (the letter by The Box Tops)
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:19 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 7/10/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
>>>>> You think? (I know you don't) - Bob Gruman would come _only _if  you 
>>>>> give him
>>>>> some paper to draw and you do not annoy him; Tad _only _if he  could 
>>>>> play and
>>>>> sing what he wants; James _only _if you give him a fishing rod  and 
>>>>> let him
>>>>> run; Hal _only _if he can be in Mexico; me _only _if you leave  me 
>>>>> alone; ...
>>>>
>>>> That'll work.  But we need some entertainment element for the masses
>>>> waiting to be converted to poetry.  Violence a la Kill Bill,
>>>> indigenous nudity, sex a la Kill Bill, rap, animation, interpretive
>>>> dance a la Kill Bill.  Or, it could just be that people (not us)  think
>>>> poetry requires deep thinking and analysis (like in school) and that
>>>> it isn't poetry if there's no end rhyme.  Or maybe poetry already  has
>>>> all the audience it's ever going to have, which is o.k. by me.  Or,
>>>> hypothetically, divide 10,000 staunch readers of poetry (USA) by
>>>> 3,000+ books of poetry, and you have 3.34 readers per book, or 6.68
>>>> readers for one particular book and 0.0 for that other etc.
>>>>
>>>> -- Jim
>>>>
>>>> "It was another steely winter, branches and icicles making the same
>>>> sound when they snapped.  The sky merely lightened and darkened.  A
>>>> hundred and ten days of the same snapshot, the same smoke rising in
>>>> the same way from the same chimney.  Olga's dreams supplied the only
>>>> variety, each of them different every night.  Too bad she could not
>>>> remember them and she woke from each with the same thought: the dams
>>>> will hold in spring."  - Piers Wong
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
>>>> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
>>>> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
>>>> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From kpaul at mallasch.com  Mon Jul 10 23:57:37 2006
From: kpaul at mallasch.com (kpaul mallasch)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:57:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [New-Poetry] jed's other poem is new poetry
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http://www.stewdio.org/jed/

-kpaul
ergopoetry.com





From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Tue Jul 11 06:17:23 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:17:23 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] jed's other poem is new poetry
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Very decadent: high the call to nostalgia (how could that miss?) _perfectly 
modulated past world/childhood (where is mummy?), implied distinct trends 
applicable to varied situation, i.e. made personal if one wants, well 
composed/assembled with a striking note.
[never liked the brown color]


From: "kpaul mallasch" <kpaul at mallasch.com>
&amp;Views" <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Subject: [New-Poetry] jed's other poem is new poetry


> http://www.stewdio.org/jed/
>
> -kpaul
> ergopoetry.com
>
>
>




From JforJames at aol.com  Tue Jul 11 08:59:47 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:59:47 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
Message-ID: <3f6.668653e.31e4fac3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/9/2006 11:05:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
hawkbrwn at msn.com writes:

And I  am there attending a doctoral program in philosophy at McGill 
University.  I?ll admit it is a struggle to balance my poet life with my philosophy  
life but I venture on trying.  It?s been a pleasure reading the various  
discussions happening here at New Poetry, and I appreciate the poems that have  
recently been posted as well.  It?s always a pleasure to be reminded of  the many 
many ways it is possible to write a poem.



Hi Elaine, and welcome. There is, of course, a long history of both  
antipathy and 
admiration between poetry and philosophy or philosophy and poetry. Some  
current
philosophers taking an interest in poetry: Jan Zwicky at the Univ. of  
Vancouver
has written some wonderful things. Simon Critchley at the New School in NYC  
has
written on philosophy and Wallace Stevens. John Koethe at the Universiity  of 
WI
is both a poet and teacher of philosophy. Emily Grolholz is another  example 
at 
Penn State. Also, Vincent Colapeitro at Penn State Philosophy has written  
quite
a bit on poetry. Susan Howe has a book called Peirce-Arrow (as in Chas.  
Sanders
Peirce) and she's also written about Joshia Royce. I could go on and  on...but
I'm sure you know of some of these people. Back in Oct. of 2005 I helped  
organize
a Poetry and Philosophy Conference at the Univ. of Hartfrord. 
 
Immodestly I'll say that the poetry-philosophy nexus  is the subject of much 
of my blog:
_http://ursprache.blogspot.com/_ (http://ursprache.blogspot.com/) 
 
 
In our day, men of genius have transferred philosophy from the  intelligible 
world to the real world. Will there ever be a man to do the same  for lyrical 
poetry, to bring it down from enchanted realms to the earth we  inhabit? 
--Denis Diderot, Discours sur la po?sie dramatique (1758) 
Des  homes de g?nie ont ramen? de nos jours la philosoph? due monde 
intelligible dans  le monde r?el. Ne s?en trouvera-t-il point un qui rende le meme 
service a la  po?sie lyrique et qui la fasse descendre, des regions enchant?es, 
sur la terre  que nous habitations. 
 
Has Diderot's challenge been answered as yet?
Finnegan
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From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 11 09:50:11 2006
From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:50:11 +0100
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This came up on another list, and it occurred to me that it might be of interest to Elaine (and Jim), either as writers of readers.

Robin

*******************************************************

This is a last-minute call for essays for a feature tentatively titled
"Poets and Philosophers," which will appear in Fulcrum 5. 

The issue is almost ready to go to press, which means we would need to
see the work near-immediately.

Please query by email first if you have something you think may fit.

Best,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds.
FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF
POETRY AND AESTHETICS
334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2
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phone 617-864-7874
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  In a message dated 7/9/2006 11:05:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, hawkbrwn at msn.com writes:
    And I am there attending a doctoral program in philosophy at McGill University.  I?ll admit it is a struggle to balance my poet life with my philosophy life but I venture on trying.  
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From cervantes.james at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 12:14:40 2006
From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:14:40 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
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Gleaned that from the travel channel, where certain documentaries are
preceded by the warning that the following contains "indigenous
nudity" etc.  The indigenous nudity, however, is always blurred over,
with the exception of women's breasts.

- Jim, anthropogally yours

On 7/10/06, TheOldMole <tad at opus40.org> wrote:
> What's indigenous nudity?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anny Ballardini" <anny.ballardini at tin.it>
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>
>
> > That is all right with me,
> > and there are a couple of poor souls out there who read the senseless
> > things I write;
> > I should therefore think that I am eating down a good percentage of
> > readers.
> >
> > Wonderful quotation you are trailing along,
> > re.: violence, indigenous nudity, sex, rap, animation, interpretative
> > dance_dance I think we sublimize it all, better than Christians and the
> > lot,
> > /                /
> > rotten lot
> > sculpted on the loft of their spiritual virtual soft
> >
> > taken for an aeroplane (the letter by The Box Tops)
> >
> >
> > From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:19 PM
> >
> >
> >> On 7/10/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
> >>> You think? (I know you don't) - Bob Gruman would come _only _if you give
> >>> him
> >>> some paper to draw and you do not annoy him; Tad _only _if he could play
> >>> and
> >>> sing what he wants; James _only _if you give him a fishing rod and let
> >>> him
> >>> run; Hal _only _if he can be in Mexico; me _only _if you leave me alone;
> >>> ...
> >>
> >> That'll work.  But we need some entertainment element for the masses
> >> waiting to be converted to poetry.  Violence a la Kill Bill,
> >> indigenous nudity, sex a la Kill Bill, rap, animation, interpretive
> >> dance a la Kill Bill.  Or, it could just be that people (not us) think
> >> poetry requires deep thinking and analysis (like in school) and that
> >> it isn't poetry if there's no end rhyme.  Or maybe poetry already has
> >> all the audience it's ever going to have, which is o.k. by me.  Or,
> >> hypothetically, divide 10,000 staunch readers of poetry (USA) by
> >> 3,000+ books of poetry, and you have 3.34 readers per book, or 6.68
> >> readers for one particular book and 0.0 for that other etc.
> >>
> >> -- Jim
> >>
> >> "It was another steely winter, branches and icicles making the same
> >> sound when they snapped.  The sky merely lightened and darkened.  A
> >> hundred and ten days of the same snapshot, the same smoke rising in
> >> the same way from the same chimney.  Olga's dreams supplied the only
> >> variety, each of them different every night.  Too bad she could not
> >> remember them and she woke from each with the same thought: the dams
> >> will hold in spring."  - Piers Wong
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> >> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> >> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> >> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
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~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/


From JforJames at aol.com  Tue Jul 11 12:44:36 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:44:36 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
Message-ID: <46a.385046e.31e52f74@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/11/2006 9:50:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com writes:

Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich,  eds.
FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF
POETRY AND AESTHETICS
334 Harvard Street,  Suite D-2
Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
phone 617-864-7874
e-mail _editor at fulcrumpoetry.com_ (mailto:editor at fulcrumpoetry.com) 



They produced an earlier FULCRUM number (# 3, I think) 
dealing with poetry-philosophy connection too. 
Philip and Katia read at the conference back in Oct-05.
 
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From elemenope at icubed.com  Tue Jul 11 01:21:50 2006
From: elemenope at icubed.com (ELEMENOPE Productions)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:21:50 +0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] 1. By Williams Carlos Williams - Poems 1928 (Anny
	Ballardini)
In-Reply-To: <200607091600.k69G04M5025357@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
References: <200607091600.k69G04M5025357@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <a05100300c0d8e2425138@[204.215.201.143]>

This WCW poem is an excellent example of his practice: "No ideas but 
in things."
Not: "I say this about that."  But: "This speaks of and through 
itself."  The authorial "I" excised, releasing this voice of his muse 
to attain narrrative amplitude with dashing speed, a flying camcorder 
through the woods.

The exponent of an artistic practice is usually the most apt 
practitioner, but Joyce gets things as ideas, too.

Dr. W wanted always to place his act of imagination in poetry on par 
with the "thought experiment" of, say, Einstein.

Richard Dillon


>
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 21:53:14 +0200
>From: "Anny Ballardini" <anny.ballardini at tin.it>
>Subject: [New-Poetry] By Williams Carlos Williams - Poems 1928
>
>
>THE SOURCE
>
>I
>
>The slope of the heavy woods
>pales and disappears
>in the wall of mist that hides
>
>the edge above whose peak
>last night the moon--
>
>But it is morning and a new light
>marks other things
>a pasture which begins
>
>where silhouettes of scrub
>and balsams stand uncertainly
>
>On whose green three maples
>are distinctly pressed
>beside a red barn
>
>with new shingles in the old
>all cancelled by
>
>A triple elm's inverted
>lichen mottled
>triple thighs from which
>
>wisps of twigs
>droop with sharp leaves
>
>Which shake in the crutch
>brushing the stained bark
>fitfully
>
>II
>
>Beyond which lies
>the profound detail of the woods
>restless, distressed
>
>soft underfoot
>the low ferns
>
>Mounting a rusty root
>the pungent mold
>globular fungi
>
>water in an old
>hoof print
>
>Cow dung and in
>the uneven aisles of
>the trees
>
>rock strewn a stone
>half-green
>
>A spring in whose depth
>white sand bubbles
>overflows
>
>clear under late raspberries
>and delicate-stemmed touch-me-nots
>
>Where alders follow it marking
>the low ground
>the water is cast upon
>
>a stair of uneven stones
>with a rustling sound
>
>An edge of bubbles stirs
>swiftness is molded
>speed grows
>
>the profuse body advances
>over the stones unchanged
>

-- 


From hawkbrwn at msn.com  Tue Jul 11 14:28:11 2006
From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:28:11 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <005001c6a4f0$edeb6090$aa6c9056@andrew1d83eb60>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV1031EA7C8796B96DD4FC97D9680@phx.gbl>

Thank you, Robin.  

Chris forwarded this to me as well.  A piece I sent them was just accepted
for publication in the issue referenced here.  Fulcrum5 will be out in
August.  I look forward to reading the publication.  It?s a good journal and
a great topic.

Elaine


On 7/11/06 5:50 AM, "Robin Hamilton" <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com> wrote:

> This came up on another list, and it occurred to me that it might be of
> interest to Elaine (and Jim), either as writers of readers.
>  
> Robin
>  
> *******************************************************
>  
> This is a last-minute call for essays for a feature tentatively titled
> "Poets and Philosophers," which will appear in Fulcrum 5.
> 
> The issue is almost ready to go to press, which means we would need to
> see the work near-immediately.
> 
> Please query by email first if you have something you think may fit.
> 
> Best,
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds.
> FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF
> POETRY AND AESTHETICS
> 334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2
> Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
> phone 617-864-7874
> e-mail editor at fulcrumpoetry.com
> ******************************************************************************
> *******
>  
>>  
>> In a message dated 7/9/2006 11:05:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> hawkbrwn at msn.com writes:
>>  
>>  
>>> And  I am there attending a doctoral program in philosophy at McGill
>>> University.   I?ll admit it is a struggle to balance my poet life with my
>>> philosophy  life but I venture on trying.
> 
> 
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From hawkbrwn at msn.com  Tue Jul 11 14:30:11 2006
From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:30:11 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <46a.385046e.31e52f74@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV2430443A766A0F8CFE82F2D9680@phx.gbl>

I just found out about that issue.  It?s topic was called the ?Philosophies
of Poetry? (#2) but apparently it?s very difficult to find these days.  I?d
be curious to find out what sort of work appeared in it, if anyone?s read it
and remembers.

Elaine

On 7/11/06 8:44 AM, "JforJames at aol.com" <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 7/11/2006 9:50:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com writes:
>> Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich,  eds.
>> FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF
>> POETRY AND AESTHETICS
>> 334 Harvard Street,  Suite D-2
>> Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
>> phone 617-864-7874
>> e-mail editor at fulcrumpoetry.com
> They produced an earlier FULCRUM number (# 3, I think)
> dealing with poetry-philosophy connection too.
> Philip and Katia read at the conference back in Oct-05.
>  
> Finnegan
> 
> 
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Tue Jul 11 14:57:45 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:57:45 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
References: <BAY106-DAV2430443A766A0F8CFE82F2D9680@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003601c6a51b$e52e88d0$938e3052@ANNY>

Re: [New-Poetry] IntroductionHi Elaine, this could be so boring that you might fall asleep right in the middle, but anyhow, here it is:
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poemreviews&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=38

cinematic, as Richard Dillon might say,

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Elaine Brown 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Introduction


  I just found out about that issue.  It's topic was called the "Philosophies of Poetry" (#2) but apparently it's very difficult to find these days.  I'd be curious to find out what sort of work appeared in it, if anyone's read it and remembers.

  Elaine

  On 7/11/06 8:44 AM, "JforJames at aol.com" <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:


    In a message dated 7/11/2006 9:50:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com writes:

      Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich,  eds.
      FULCRUM: AN ANNUAL OF
      POETRY AND AESTHETICS
      334 Harvard Street,  Suite D-2
      Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
      phone 617-864-7874
      e-mail editor at fulcrumpoetry.com

    They produced an earlier FULCRUM number (# 3, I think) 
    dealing with poetry-philosophy connection too. 
    Philip and Katia read at the conference back in Oct-05.
     
    Finnegan


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From tad at opus40.org  Tue Jul 11 15:12:23 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:12:23 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
References: <3c7.4f7d213.31e2caf6@aol.com><648208b60607101000n172501b0ha28c37a588c9b333@mail.gmail.com><005201c6a443$e3c15460$3ee03652@ANNY><648208b60607101119h7022ee29n3f114bd664ef8a46@mail.gmail.com><001301c6a452$b372da40$3ee03652@ANNY><00ad01c6a473$be155060$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
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Message-ID: <00a401c6a51d$f0bbec40$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>

I watched one of those the other night. Indigenous nudity, and large pieces 
of wood in their lower jaws.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp, Views" 
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...


> Gleaned that from the travel channel, where certain documentaries are
> preceded by the warning that the following contains "indigenous
> nudity" etc.  The indigenous nudity, however, is always blurred over,
> with the exception of women's breasts.
>
> - Jim, anthropogally yours
>
> On 7/10/06, TheOldMole <tad at opus40.org> wrote:
>> What's indigenous nudity?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anny Ballardini" <anny.ballardini at tin.it>
>> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views"
>> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>>
>>
>> > That is all right with me,
>> > and there are a couple of poor souls out there who read the senseless
>> > things I write;
>> > I should therefore think that I am eating down a good percentage of
>> > readers.
>> >
>> > Wonderful quotation you are trailing along,
>> > re.: violence, indigenous nudity, sex, rap, animation, interpretative
>> > dance_dance I think we sublimize it all, better than Christians and the
>> > lot,
>> > /                /
>> > rotten lot
>> > sculpted on the loft of their spiritual virtual soft
>> >
>> > taken for an aeroplane (the letter by The Box Tops)
>> >
>> >
>> > From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:19 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 7/10/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
>> >>> You think? (I know you don't) - Bob Gruman would come _only _if you 
>> >>> give
>> >>> him
>> >>> some paper to draw and you do not annoy him; Tad _only _if he could 
>> >>> play
>> >>> and
>> >>> sing what he wants; James _only _if you give him a fishing rod and 
>> >>> let
>> >>> him
>> >>> run; Hal _only _if he can be in Mexico; me _only _if you leave me 
>> >>> alone;
>> >>> ...
>> >>
>> >> That'll work.  But we need some entertainment element for the masses
>> >> waiting to be converted to poetry.  Violence a la Kill Bill,
>> >> indigenous nudity, sex a la Kill Bill, rap, animation, interpretive
>> >> dance a la Kill Bill.  Or, it could just be that people (not us) think
>> >> poetry requires deep thinking and analysis (like in school) and that
>> >> it isn't poetry if there's no end rhyme.  Or maybe poetry already has
>> >> all the audience it's ever going to have, which is o.k. by me.  Or,
>> >> hypothetically, divide 10,000 staunch readers of poetry (USA) by
>> >> 3,000+ books of poetry, and you have 3.34 readers per book, or 6.68
>> >> readers for one particular book and 0.0 for that other etc.
>> >>
>> >> -- Jim
>> >>
>> >> "It was another steely winter, branches and icicles making the same
>> >> sound when they snapped.  The sky merely lightened and darkened.  A
>> >> hundred and ten days of the same snapshot, the same smoke rising in
>> >> the same way from the same chimney.  Olga's dreams supplied the only
>> >> variety, each of them different every night.  Too bad she could not
>> >> remember them and she woke from each with the same thought: the dams
>> >> will hold in spring."  - Piers Wong
>> >>
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
>> >> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
>> >> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
>> >> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > New-Poetry mailing list
>> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
>> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>> >
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>
>
> -- 
>
> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
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From fssam6 at uaf.edu  Tue Jul 11 15:22:34 2006
From: fssam6 at uaf.edu (steve moore)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:22:34 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV13F24E3FF77CB9381D691DD96B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV13F24E3FF77CB9381D691DD96B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9A5BC778-AE61-4DDB-B356-2A1A25F49160@uaf.edu>

Originally I am From L.A., California. The Fairbanks program has its  
benefits and drawbacks. One of the main benefits is working with  
Derick Burleson, who is almost as good a teacher as he is poet. It is  
rare to find a good poet who is as invested in his/her students as he/ 
she is in his/her poetry. The program is small and has a heavy focus  
on literature and literary criticism, to the consternation of many of  
the MFA grads, myself excepted. Perhaps the main drawback is the lack  
of support for the MFA grads. UAF is primarily a science school, so  
the Creative writing program is viewed as a luxury, which means that  
when money is short, our funds get cut first. The town also has its  
benefits and drawbacks. Because I am flyfisherman, I enjoy being able  
to drive 15 minutes to a pristine and isolated river spot. There is  
an egalitarian aspect to Fairbanks that I also enjoy, which seems to  
infect the writing as well. The daylight of summer tends to produce a  
manic drive, and I am able to write non-stop, sometimes through the  
entire night. However, the winter is long and can produce the  
opposite work ethic.

On Jul 10, 2006, at 12:12 AM, Elaine Brown wrote:

> Oh!  My goodness!
>
> Hello Steve,
>
> I am in Anchorage until early August.  I would love to hear  
> anything you have to say about the Fairbanks program, as well as  
> what you think of the town.  Where are you from originally?  Thank  
> you for extending a response to my introduction.
>
> Elaine
>
>
> On 7/9/06 11:33 PM, "steve moore" <fssam6 at uaf.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hello Elaine. I am currently living in Fairbanks, Alaska,  
>> attending the UAF MFA in Poetry program.
>> On Jul 9, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Elaine Brown wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  Hello,
>>>
>>>  I have recently joined the New Poetry listserv and so thought I  
>>> should introduce myself to the group.
>>>
>>>  My name is Elaine Brown.  Originally from Alaska, I now live in  
>>> Montreal, Quebec, Canada with my daughter, Rachel.  We also lived  
>>> in Flagstaff, Arizona for three years where I was a student of  
>>> Jim Simmerman?s.  He was an excellent teacher.  I will always  
>>> regard him as the person that opened the door to my really  
>>> beginning to understand how to write.  In Montreal, Rachel is  
>>> attending French elementary school, and as a result becoming bi- 
>>> lingual.  And I am there attending a doctoral program in  
>>> philosophy at McGill University.  I?ll admit it is a struggle to  
>>> balance my poet life with my philosophy life but I venture on  
>>> trying.  It?s been a pleasure reading the various discussions  
>>> happening here at New Poetry, and I appreciate the poems that  
>>> have recently been posted as well.  It?s always a pleasure to be  
>>> reminded of the many many ways it is possible to write a poem.
>>>
>>>  All the best to the others at New Poetry.
>>>  Sincerely,
>>>  Elaine Brown
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
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From JforJames at aol.com  Tue Jul 11 16:34:30 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:34:30 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] war between mind and sky 
Message-ID: <51d.3d28501.31e56556@aol.com>

_http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/poetry/0,,1815111,00.html_ 
(http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/poetry/0,,1815111,00.html) 
The  war between mind and sky 
 
Jay Parini takes unholy communion with the incomparable Wallace Stevens 
 
Saturday July 8, 2006
The Guardian 

Collected Poems
by  Wallace Stevens
470pp, Faber, ?20
It would be difficult to overestimate  the place of Wallace Stevens in modern 
American poetry. Now his complete work -  a capacious volume, first published 
in 1954 - has been made available in a  handsome new edition. The time may be 
ripe for Stevens in Britain, where his  work has never quite had the appeal 
of Robert Frost or TS Eliot, in part because  of its eccentric diction and 
formidable difficulty, both of which have been  overemphasised.
 
 
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Tue Jul 11 16:48:41 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:48:41 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] war between mind and sky 
References: <51d.3d28501.31e56556@aol.com>
Message-ID: <02e701c6a52b$64cfbaf0$938e3052@ANNY>

and a very good article,
  From: JforJames at aol.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:34 PM


  http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/poetry/0,,1815111,00.html
  The war between mind and sky 

  Jay Parini takes unholy communion with the incomparable Wallace Stevens 

  Saturday July 8, 2006
  The Guardian 
    
  Collected Poems
  by Wallace Stevens
  470pp, Faber, ?20
  It would be difficult to overestimate the place of Wallace Stevens in modern American poetry. Now his complete work - a capacious volume, first published in 1954 - has been made available in a handsome new edition. The time may be ripe for Stevens in Britain, where his work has never quite had the appeal of Robert Frost or TS Eliot, in part because of its eccentric diction and formidable difficulty, both of which have been overemphasised.




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From JforJames at aol.com  Tue Jul 11 17:35:45 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:35:45 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] poetry and philosophy
Message-ID: <4a8.46ad59f.31e573b1@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/9/2006 11:05:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
hawkbrwn at msn.com writes:

And I  am there attending a doctoral program in philosophy at McGill  
University


_http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/philo/mikkelson/pp.htm_ 
(http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/philo/mikkelson/pp.htm) 
 
Elaine, I remembered running across this syllabus on the net. 
You might have a kindred spirit there at McGill. 
 
I've got Fulcrum #2.  I can scan the contents page for you.
I'm not  willing part with my copy quite yet.
Finnegan
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From hawkbrwn at msn.com  Tue Jul 11 18:17:20 2006
From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:17:20 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] poetry and philosophy
In-Reply-To: <4a8.46ad59f.31e573b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV77E7FFBFE3C737A88B2A1D9680@phx.gbl>

Yes, Greg and I have a poetry group together and will be doing a reading
together in the Fall, actually.

Thank you for thinking of me.
Elaine


On 7/11/06 1:35 PM, "JforJames at aol.com" <JforJames at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 7/9/2006 11:05:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> hawkbrwn at msn.com writes:
>> And I  am there attending a doctoral program in philosophy at McGill
>> University
> http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/philo/mikkelson/pp.htm
>  
> Elaine, I remembered running across this syllabus on the net.
> You might have a kindred spirit there at McGill.
>  
> I've got Fulcrum #2.  I can scan the contents page for you.
> I'm not willing part with my copy quite yet.
> Finnegan
> 
> 
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From JforJames at aol.com  Tue Jul 11 18:28:20 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:28:20 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] poetry and philosophy
Message-ID: <533.3716c47.31e58004@aol.com>

_http://www.bathsheba.com/ag/about.html_ 
(http://www.bathsheba.com/ag/about.html) 
 
Allen Grossman is another poet with a penchant
for philosophy. His book The Sighted Singer includes
an interview with Mark Halliday (a David Graham 
favorite poet) and a treatise on poetics, called 'Summa
Lyrica', that is structured somewhat like Wittgenstein's  Tractatus.
Finnegan
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From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 11 18:48:20 2006
From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:48:20 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] war between mind and sky 
References: <51d.3d28501.31e56556@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c6a53c$1bb2c7c0$8f988b56@andrew1d83eb60>

Anyone seen this, and able to say how it compares with the earlier Faber Collected (and more to the point, the Library of America edition, which was much better, both in terms of breadth of content and typeface)?  The old Faber Stevens Collected (though not the Selected, which was OK) used a quite appalling font.

Robin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JforJames at aol.com 
  To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:34 PM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] war between mind and sky 


  http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/poetry/0,,1815111,00.html
  The war between mind and sky 

  Jay Parini takes unholy communion with the incomparable Wallace Stevens 

  Saturday July 8, 2006
  The Guardian 
    
  Collected Poems
  by Wallace Stevens
  470pp, Faber, ?20
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From JforJames at aol.com  Tue Jul 11 21:33:27 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:33:27 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] New Welsh Nat'l Poet
Message-ID: <246.eb98248.31e5ab67@aol.com>

_http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,,1817206,00.html?gusrc=rss_ 
(http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,,1817206,00.html?gusrc=rss) 
Thomas  takes on mantle of Wales's national poet 
 
Richard Lea
Monday July 10, 2006
Guardian Unlimited 
 

Gwyn Thomas, emeritus professor of Welsh at Bangor University, has been  
appointed as the second national poet for Wales. He follows in the footsteps of  
Gwyneth Lewis who, during her tenure, wrote the inscription for the front of 
the  Wales Millennium Centre in Cardiff, and tangled with the Welsh Rugby Union 
(WRU)  earlier this year.
On accepting the position, Thomas stated his intention to  use the role to 
raise the profile of his country's poets, saying that he hopes  to "draw 
attention to the poets of Wales and their work, and try to show that  poetry is a 
unique medium to respond to the world in which we live."
 
 
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From JforJames at aol.com  Wed Jul 12 18:45:31 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:45:31 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] CP Snow on Chas Rezinikoff
Message-ID: <571.1ba1cbe.31e6d58b@aol.com>

 
C.P. Snow, in his introduction to Reznikoff's By the Waters of  Manhattan 
observes:  
Mr. Reznikoff's writing, so far as a Gentile can judge, is in all  senses 
deeply Jewish....[T]here is for me running through his writing the  threads of 
the Jewish loneliness, the Jewish delight in God's gifts, and the  Jewish 
triumph. He conveys, as sharply as I have ever seen conveyed in any  writing about 
New York, the feeling of the lonely soul in the great city...  
He is a deep, sarcastic, lonely writer. So far as I know, he is a  writer 
quite on his own. 
[C.P. Snow, "Introduction," to Charles Reznikoff, By the  Waters of Manhattan 
ix-xi, at xi (New York: New Directions, 1962)] 
 


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From cstroffo at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 12 22:32:41 2006
From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:32:41 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] CP Snow on Chas Rezinikoff
In-Reply-To: <571.1ba1cbe.31e6d58b@aol.com>
References: <571.1ba1cbe.31e6d58b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F1BE41D9-79F0-48EE-A242-6D23E3F443F1@earthlink.net>

I saw CP Snow----and at first I thought it was CP show (a reference  
to my rock band, Continuous Peasant....)

I must be losin' it....


On Jul 12, 2006, at 3:45 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote:

> C.P. Snow, in his introduction to Reznikoff's By the Waters of  
> Manhattan observes:
>
> Mr. Reznikoff's writing, so far as a Gentile can judge, is in all  
> senses deeply Jewish....[T]here is for me running through his  
> writing the threads of the Jewish loneliness, the Jewish delight in  
> God's gifts, and the Jewish triumph. He conveys, as sharply as I  
> have ever seen conveyed in any writing about New York, the feeling  
> of the lonely soul in the great city...
>
> He is a deep, sarcastic, lonely writer. So far as I know, he is a  
> writer quite on his own.
>
> [C.P. Snow, "Introduction," to Charles Reznikoff, By the Waters of  
> Manhattan ix-xi, at xi (New York: New Directions, 1962)]
>
>
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From JforJames at aol.com  Wed Jul 12 22:56:10 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:56:10 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] CP Snow on Chas Rezinikoff
Message-ID: <55e.26cf177.31e7104a@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/12/2006 10:33:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
cstroffo at earthlink.net writes:

I saw CP  Snow


_http://www.provost.wisc.edu/interdisciplinarity/pdf/cpsnow_bridging_chronicle
.pdf_ 
(http://www.provost.wisc.edu/interdisciplinarity/pdf/cpsnow_bridging_chronicle.pdf) 
 
If you're interested in the "two cultures" debate...it goes on here:  
"Geo-poetics,
anyone?"
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Jul 13 02:51:58 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:51:58 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] from The Writer's Almanac
Message-ID: <004d01c6a648$d60ead20$59aa3452@ANNY>



Wole Soyinka said, "A book if necessary should be a hammer [or] a hand grenade which you detonate under a stagnant way of looking at the world."




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http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
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From halvard at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 13 08:48:00 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:48:00 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] from The Writer's Almanac (not)
In-Reply-To: <004d01c6a648$d60ead20$59aa3452@ANNY>
References: <004d01c6a648$d60ead20$59aa3452@ANNY>
Message-ID: <A473B324-52FF-4E16-B5C1-CFF07E5B51AA@earthlink.net>


Brecht said, "Art is not a mirror held up to reality,
but a hammer with which to shape it."
   	
Guthrie said, "If I had a hammer, I'd hammer in
the morning . . ."

Pound said, "The book should be a ball of light
in one's hand."

Dickinson said, "There is no friggin' frigate
like a book." (Well, not exactly.)


Hal

Halvard Johnson
================
halvard at gmail.com
halvard at earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org

On Jul 13, 2006, at 1:51 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote:

>
> Wole Soyinka said, "A book if necessary should be a hammer [or] a  
> hand grenade which you detonate under a stagnant way of looking at  
> the world."
>
>
>
>
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a  
> dancing star!
> Friedrich Nietzsche
> _______________________________________________
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From rog3r.day at gmail.com  Thu Jul 13 13:54:02 2006
From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:54:02 +0300
Subject: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
In-Reply-To: <00a401c6a51d$f0bbec40$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
References: <3c7.4f7d213.31e2caf6@aol.com>
	<648208b60607101000n172501b0ha28c37a588c9b333@mail.gmail.com>
	<005201c6a443$e3c15460$3ee03652@ANNY>
	<648208b60607101119h7022ee29n3f114bd664ef8a46@mail.gmail.com>
	<001301c6a452$b372da40$3ee03652@ANNY>
	<00ad01c6a473$be155060$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
	<648208b60607110914v2091dca6ia0281617fe8a2201@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a401c6a51d$f0bbec40$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
Message-ID: <fde503480607131054x58b1a511i204f40c4c14263cb@mail.gmail.com>

Isn't that what the pilgrims practiced before the indians taught them
better?  Or have I got Amerihistory confused again?

Roger

On 11/07/06, TheOldMole <tad at opus40.org> wrote:
> I watched one of those the other night. Indigenous nudity, and large pieces
> of wood in their lower jaws.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp, Views"
> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
>
>
> > Gleaned that from the travel channel, where certain documentaries are
> > preceded by the warning that the following contains "indigenous
> > nudity" etc.  The indigenous nudity, however, is always blurred over,
> > with the exception of women's breasts.
> >
> > - Jim, anthropogally yours
> >
> > On 7/10/06, TheOldMole <tad at opus40.org> wrote:
> >> What's indigenous nudity?
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Anny Ballardini" <anny.ballardini at tin.it>
> >> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views"
> >> <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> >> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:57 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] 'Can poetry matter?' international style...
> >>
> >>
> >> > That is all right with me,
> >> > and there are a couple of poor souls out there who read the senseless
> >> > things I write;
> >> > I should therefore think that I am eating down a good percentage of
> >> > readers.
> >> >
> >> > Wonderful quotation you are trailing along,
> >> > re.: violence, indigenous nudity, sex, rap, animation, interpretative
> >> > dance_dance I think we sublimize it all, better than Christians and the
> >> > lot,
> >> > /                /
> >> > rotten lot
> >> > sculpted on the loft of their spiritual virtual soft
> >> >
> >> > taken for an aeroplane (the letter by The Box Tops)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: "James Cervantes" <cervantes.james at gmail.com>
> >> > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:19 PM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On 7/10/06, Anny Ballardini <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:
> >> >>> You think? (I know you don't) - Bob Gruman would come _only _if you
> >> >>> give
> >> >>> him
> >> >>> some paper to draw and you do not annoy him; Tad _only _if he could
> >> >>> play
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> sing what he wants; James _only _if you give him a fishing rod and
> >> >>> let
> >> >>> him
> >> >>> run; Hal _only _if he can be in Mexico; me _only _if you leave me
> >> >>> alone;
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>
> >> >> That'll work.  But we need some entertainment element for the masses
> >> >> waiting to be converted to poetry.  Violence a la Kill Bill,
> >> >> indigenous nudity, sex a la Kill Bill, rap, animation, interpretive
> >> >> dance a la Kill Bill.  Or, it could just be that people (not us) think
> >> >> poetry requires deep thinking and analysis (like in school) and that
> >> >> it isn't poetry if there's no end rhyme.  Or maybe poetry already has
> >> >> all the audience it's ever going to have, which is o.k. by me.  Or,
> >> >> hypothetically, divide 10,000 staunch readers of poetry (USA) by
> >> >> 3,000+ books of poetry, and you have 3.34 readers per book, or 6.68
> >> >> readers for one particular book and 0.0 for that other etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> -- Jim
> >> >>
> >> >> "It was another steely winter, branches and icicles making the same
> >> >> sound when they snapped.  The sky merely lightened and darkened.  A
> >> >> hundred and ten days of the same snapshot, the same smoke rising in
> >> >> the same way from the same chimney.  Olga's dreams supplied the only
> >> >> variety, each of them different every night.  Too bad she could not
> >> >> remember them and she woke from each with the same thought: the dams
> >> >> will hold in spring."  - Piers Wong
> >> >>
> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >> ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> >> >> ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> >> >> ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> >> >> ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > New-Poetry mailing list
> >> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >> >
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~ Salt River Review:  http://www.poetserv.org
> > ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning
> > ~ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html
> > ~ http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/
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-- 
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http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/
"You cannot make soup out of beauty"


From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Jul 13 13:57:53 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:57:53 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] almost 90
Message-ID: <005301c6a6a5$dd7736b0$50c93a52@ANNY>

Lawrence Ferlinghetti is approaching 90 these days, but he's still a practicing poet & painter, still puttering around City Lights Bookstore, still working on translations & essays & poems, giving readings & publishing books, still speaking out against censorship, corporate culture & oppression
http://poetry.about.com/


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From tad at opus40.org  Thu Jul 13 14:29:34 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:29:34 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] almost 90
References: <005301c6a6a5$dd7736b0$50c93a52@ANNY>
Message-ID: <001001c6a6aa$4ab07fd0$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>

He read at one of the Woodstock Poetry Festivals, and we did an exhibit of his paintings -- interesting more politically and socially than aesthetically. What a vibrant, youthful individual, though!


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anny Ballardini 
  To: New Poetry 
  Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 1:57 PM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] almost 90


  Lawrence Ferlinghetti is approaching 90 these days, but he's still a practicing poet & painter, still puttering around City Lights Bookstore, still working on translations & essays & poems, giving readings & publishing books, still speaking out against censorship, corporate culture & oppression
  http://poetry.about.com/


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Jul 13 15:24:02 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:24:02 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] almost 90
References: <005301c6a6a5$dd7736b0$50c93a52@ANNY>
	<001001c6a6aa$4ab07fd0$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
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I agree, incredible! And at this point and selfishly, he gives me motivations to start and continue,
  From: TheOldMole 
  Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:29 PM


  He read at one of the Woodstock Poetry Festivals, and we did an exhibit of his paintings -- interesting more politically and socially than aesthetically. What a vibrant, youthful individual, though!


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Anny Ballardini 
    To: New Poetry 
    Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 1:57 PM
    Subject: [New-Poetry] almost 90


    Lawrence Ferlinghetti is approaching 90 these days, but he's still a practicing poet & painter, still puttering around City Lights Bookstore, still working on translations & essays & poems, giving readings & publishing books, still speaking out against censorship, corporate culture & oppression
    http://poetry.about.com/


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    Friedrich Nietzsche 



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From hawkbrwn at msn.com  Thu Jul 13 15:29:57 2006
From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:29:57 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] almost 90
In-Reply-To: <005301c6a6a5$dd7736b0$50c93a52@ANNY>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV162FD9E13D8280A5A4B830D96E0@phx.gbl>

Dear lord.  I?d forgotten he was still alive!  Thanks for posting that,
Anny.


On 7/13/06 9:57 AM, "Anny Ballardini" <anny.ballardini at tin.it> wrote:

> Lawrence Ferlinghetti is approaching 90 these days, but he?s still a
> practicing poet & painter, still puttering around City Lights Bookstore, still
> working on translations & essays & poems, giving readings & publishing books,
> still speaking out against censorship, corporate culture & oppression
> http://poetry.about.com/
>  
> 
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
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From JforJames at aol.com  Thu Jul 13 21:53:16 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:53:16 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] weather poetry
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_http://blogs.usatoday.com/weather/2006/07/stopping_by_woo.html_ 
(http://blogs.usatoday.com/weather/2006/07/stopping_by_woo.html) 
 
By Bob Swanson and Doyle Rice 
"Stopping by Woods on a Snowy  Evening"
 
At the suggestion of a friend, I've decided to start a new blog category,  
"Weather well-versed," with the intention of periodically featuring poetry that  
features meteorological themes or imagery.
 
 
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Jul 14 01:45:02 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:45:02 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] by Wendell Berry
Message-ID: <001e01c6a708$a712ec50$93ac3452@ANNY>


American Life in Poetry: Column 068

BY TED KOOSER, U.S. POET LAUREATE, 2004-2006



They Sit Together on the Porch

They sit together on the porch, the dark
Almost fallen, the house behind them dark.
Their supper done with, they have washed and dried
The dishes--only two plates now, two glasses,
Two knives, two forks, two spoons--small work for two.
She sits with her hands folded in her lap,
At rest. He smokes his pipe. They do not speak,
And when they speak at last it is to say
What each one knows the other knows. They have
One mind between them, now, that finally
For all its knowing will not exactly know
Which one goes first through the dark doorway, bidding
Goodnight, and which sits on a while alone.


>From "A Timbered Choir", by Wendell Berry. Copyright (c) 1998. Published and reprinted  by arrangement with Counterpoint Press, a member of the Perseus Books Group (www.perseusbooks.com). 


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Jul 14 18:22:04 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:22:04 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: UBUWEB :: Pianoless Vexations MP3s
Message-ID: <009101c6a793$effcefc0$e9af3452@ANNY>




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Date: Jul 14, 2006 9:16 PM
Subject: UBUWEB :: Pianoless Vexations MP3s 
To: POETICS at listserv.buffalo.edu

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UBUWEB :: Pianoless Vexations
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http://ubu.com/sound/vexations.html

Pianoless Vexations (MP3): 8 hours of MP3s recorded live at The Sculpture Center, NYC on
June 11, 2006. Vexations was composed by Erik Satie in 1893 and consists of a short motif 
repeated 840 times. Vexations was first performed publicly by John Cage and several other
pianists over the course of 19 hours in 1963. As the title conveys, artists performing in
Pianoless Vexations used any instrument except the piano to perform Satie's original 
composition. Instruments included laptops, drums, guitar, French horn, violin, trumpet,
saxophone, viola, recorder, toy piano, harpsichord, mandolin, bass, film projectors,
voice, dulcimer and more. Artists include Randy Nordschow; Hay Sanders; Bruce Pearson and 
Marco Navarette; Daphna Mor, Rachel Begley, and Nina Stern; Bruce Arnold Jazz Trio; Alan
Licht and Angela Jaeger; String Messengers; Rusty Santos; Amy Granat; Greg Kelley; Miguel
Frasconi; Bethany Ryker; D. Edward Davis and Erik Carlson; Zachary Seldess; Charles 
Waters and Katie Pawluk; Andrew Lampert and Steve Dalachinsky; Margaret Leng Tan; Trudy
Chan; David Grubbs; Goddess; Matthew Ostrowski; Kenta Nagai; Stephin Merritt and Ethan
Cohen; Rick Moody, Hannah Marcus, and Tianna Kennedy. 

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From tad at opus40.org  Sun Jul 16 18:39:41 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:39:41 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends
Message-ID: <001d01c6a928$ba898b00$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>

http://www.google.com/trends is a new Google service that will tell you what parts of the world do the most googling of any phrase you care to type in. I found this out from Sports Illustrated, which informed me, among other things, that "Nude volleyball" is googled more in Salt Lake City than anywhere else.

So I tried a few of my own.

1. Dublin, Ireland 
     

  2. Cambridge, MA, USA 
     

  3. Boston, MA, USA 
     

  4. New York, NY, USA 
     

  5. Washington, DC, USA 
     

  6. San Francisco, CA, USA 
     

  7. St Louis, MO, USA 
     

  8. Philadelphia, PA, USA 
     

  9. Chicago, IL, USA 
     

  10. Los Angeles, CA, USA 
     



Depressingly -- Your terms - Ron Silliman - do not have enough search volume to show graphs.


"Jorie Graham"

1. Cambridge, MA, USA 
     

  2. New York, NY, USA 
     


...and nowhere else.


Even more depressing: 

Your terms - Donald Justice - do not have enough search volume to show graphs.


And super-depressing:

Your terms - contemporary american poetry - do not have enough search volume to show graphs.


But I did find:

"Sylvia Plath"

1. Dublin, Ireland 
     

  2. Brisbane, Australia 
     

  3. Philadelphia, PA, USA 
     

  4. Boston, MA, USA 
     

  5. Sydney, Australia 
     

  6. New York, NY, USA 
     

  7. Melbourne, Australia 
     

  8. Miami, FL, USA 
     

  9. Los Angeles, CA, USA 
     

  10. Chicago, IL, USA 
     



"Billy Collins"

1. Cambridge, MA, USA 
     

  2. New York, NY, USA 
     

  3. San Francisco, CA, USA 
     

  4. Boston, MA, USA 
     

  5. Minneapolis, MN, USA 
     

  6. Pleasanton, CA, USA 
     

  7. Portland, OR, USA 
     

  8. Seattle, WA, USA 
     

  9. Austin, TX, USA 
     

  10. Salt Lake City, UT, USA 
     



1. New York, NY, USA 
     

  2. Chicago, IL, USA 
     

  3. London, United Kingdom 
     


I wonder why Jorie gets Cambridge and Hall gets Chicago?


"Ted Kooser"

1. Lincoln, NE, USA 
     

  2. Omaha, NE, USA 
     

  3. Washington, DC, USA 
     

  4. Minneapolis, MN, USA 
     

  5. Seattle, WA, USA 
     

  6. San Francisco, CA, USA 
     

  7. Chicago, IL, USA 
     

  8. Atlanta, GA, USA 
     

  9. New York, NY, USA 
     


"Poet Laureate"

1. Boston, MA, USA 
     

  2. San Francisco, CA, USA 
     

  3. Washington, DC, USA 
     

  4. New York, NY, USA 
     

  5. Philadelphia, PA, USA 
     

  6. Seattle, WA, USA 
     

  7. Chicago, IL, USA 
     

  8. Denver, CO, USA 
     

  9. Brentford, United Kingdom 
     

  10. Los Angeles, CA, USA 
     



"Henry Wadsworth Longfellow"

I was wondering if he might draw more overseas, but no. I don't know if the bar graphs will show up on this note, but he's almost entirely in Bangor, ME. Everywhere else, a pittance.

1. Bangor, ME, USA  
  2. Cincinnati, OH, USA  
  3. Salt Lake City, UT, USA  
  4. Boston, MA, USA  
  5. Phoenix, AZ, USA  
  6. Atlanta, GA, USA  
  7. Denver, CO, USA  
  8. Dallas, TX, USA  
  9. Philadelphia, PA, USA  
  10. San Diego, CA, USA  



Tad Richards
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From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com  Sun Jul 16 19:10:45 2006
From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:10:45 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends
Message-ID: <568.1be82db.31ec2175@cs.com>

"Gwynn" was really big in San Diego, thanks to Cousin Tony.
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From tad at opus40.org  Sun Jul 16 19:17:50 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:17:50 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends
References: <001d01c6a928$ba898b00$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
Message-ID: <004b01c6a92e$0f0ba910$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>

The New York/Chicago/London one was Donald Hall.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: TheOldMole 
  To: NewPo 
  Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:39 PM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends


  http://www.google.com/trends is a new Google service that will tell you what parts of the world do the most googling of any phrase you care to type in. I found this out from Sports Illustrated, which informed me, among other things, that "Nude volleyball" is googled more in Salt Lake City than anywhere else.

  So I tried a few of my own.

  1. Dublin, Ireland 
       

    2. Cambridge, MA, USA 
       

    3. Boston, MA, USA 
       

    4. New York, NY, USA 
       

    5. Washington, DC, USA 
       

    6. San Francisco, CA, USA 
       

    7. St Louis, MO, USA 
       

    8. Philadelphia, PA, USA 
       

    9. Chicago, IL, USA 
       

    10. Los Angeles, CA, USA 
       



  Depressingly -- Your terms - Ron Silliman - do not have enough search volume to show graphs.


  "Jorie Graham"

  1. Cambridge, MA, USA 
       

    2. New York, NY, USA 
       


  ...and nowhere else.


  Even more depressing: 

  Your terms - Donald Justice - do not have enough search volume to show graphs.


  And super-depressing:

  Your terms - contemporary american poetry - do not have enough search volume to show graphs.


  But I did find:

  "Sylvia Plath"

  1. Dublin, Ireland 
       

    2. Brisbane, Australia 
       

    3. Philadelphia, PA, USA 
       

    4. Boston, MA, USA 
       

    5. Sydney, Australia 
       

    6. New York, NY, USA 
       

    7. Melbourne, Australia 
       

    8. Miami, FL, USA 
       

    9. Los Angeles, CA, USA 
       

    10. Chicago, IL, USA 
       



  "Billy Collins"

  1. Cambridge, MA, USA 
       

    2. New York, NY, USA 
       

    3. San Francisco, CA, USA 
       

    4. Boston, MA, USA 
       

    5. Minneapolis, MN, USA 
       

    6. Pleasanton, CA, USA 
       

    7. Portland, OR, USA 
       

    8. Seattle, WA, USA 
       

    9. Austin, TX, USA 
       

    10. Salt Lake City, UT, USA 
       



  1. New York, NY, USA 
       

    2. Chicago, IL, USA 
       

    3. London, United Kingdom 
       


  I wonder why Jorie gets Cambridge and Hall gets Chicago?


  "Ted Kooser"

  1. Lincoln, NE, USA 
       

    2. Omaha, NE, USA 
       

    3. Washington, DC, USA 
       

    4. Minneapolis, MN, USA 
       

    5. Seattle, WA, USA 
       

    6. San Francisco, CA, USA 
       

    7. Chicago, IL, USA 
       

    8. Atlanta, GA, USA 
       

    9. New York, NY, USA 
       


  "Poet Laureate"

  1. Boston, MA, USA 
       

    2. San Francisco, CA, USA 
       

    3. Washington, DC, USA 
       

    4. New York, NY, USA 
       

    5. Philadelphia, PA, USA 
       

    6. Seattle, WA, USA 
       

    7. Chicago, IL, USA 
       

    8. Denver, CO, USA 
       

    9. Brentford, United Kingdom 
       

    10. Los Angeles, CA, USA 
       



  "Henry Wadsworth Longfellow"

  I was wondering if he might draw more overseas, but no. I don't know if the bar graphs will show up on this note, but he's almost entirely in Bangor, ME. Everywhere else, a pittance.

  1. Bangor, ME, USA  
    2. Cincinnati, OH, USA  
    3. Salt Lake City, UT, USA  
    4. Boston, MA, USA  
    5. Phoenix, AZ, USA  
    6. Atlanta, GA, USA  
    7. Denver, CO, USA  
    8. Dallas, TX, USA  
    9. Philadelphia, PA, USA  
    10. San Diego, CA, USA  



  Tad Richards
  www.opus40.org
  http://opusforty.blogspot.com/


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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Sun Jul 16 20:38:43 2006
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:38:43 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends
References: <001d01c6a928$ba898b00$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
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What's your top one, Mole?  The one beginning with Dublin.

I tried "visual poetry" sure it would strike out, but thinking it'd be pretty funny if it didn't.  It struck out.

Poetry yielded:
      1. Brisbane, Australia   
       
      2. New York, NY, USA   
       
      3. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
       
      4. Denver, CO, USA   
       
      5. Vancouver, Canada   
       
      6. Boston, MA, USA   
       
      7. Chicago, IL, USA   
       
      8. Sydney, Australia   
       
      9. Seattle, WA, USA   
       
      10. Washington, DC, USA  


big tits yielded

      1. Birmingham, United Kingdom   
       
      2. Manchester, United Kingdom   
       
      3. Montreal, Canada   
       
      4. Brentford, United Kingdom   
       
      5. Miami, FL, USA   
       
      6. Houston, TX, USA   
       
      7. Los Angeles, CA, USA   
       
      8. Toronto, Canada   
       
      9. Melbourne, Australia   
       
      10. Chicago, IL, USA   
       

It would seem that all that counts is number of searches rather than number of searches per capita, which would be much more interesting.  Although New York's poor showing for big tits is pretty interesting.  (And where'd this Brentford come from?)

--Bob G.
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From tad at opus40.org  Sun Jul 16 23:59:22 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:59:22 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends
References: <001d01c6a928$ba898b00$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress><004b01c6a92e$0f0ba910$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
	<007601c6a939$5c5fa580$3db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc>
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Bob - first one was "Elizabeth Bishop"
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Grumman 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views 
  Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trends


  What's your top one, Mole?  The one beginning with Dublin.

  I tried "visual poetry" sure it would strike out, but thinking it'd be pretty funny if it didn't.  It struck out.

  Poetry yielded:
        1. Brisbane, Australia   
         
        2. New York, NY, USA   
         
        3. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
         
        4. Denver, CO, USA   
         
        5. Vancouver, Canada   
         
        6. Boston, MA, USA   
         
        7. Chicago, IL, USA   
         
        8. Sydney, Australia   
         
        9. Seattle, WA, USA   
         
        10. Washington, DC, USA  


  big tits yielded

        1. Birmingham, United Kingdom   
         
        2. Manchester, United Kingdom   
         
        3. Montreal, Canada   
         
        4. Brentford, United Kingdom   
         
        5. Miami, FL, USA   
         
        6. Houston, TX, USA   
         
        7. Los Angeles, CA, USA   
         
        8. Toronto, Canada   
         
        9. Melbourne, Australia   
         
        10. Chicago, IL, USA   
         

  It would seem that all that counts is number of searches rather than number of searches per capita, which would be much more interesting.  Although New York's poor showing for big tits is pretty interesting.  (And where'd this Brentford come from?)

  --Bob G.


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Jul 17 01:45:15 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:45:15 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends
References: <001d01c6a928$ba898b00$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress><004b01c6a92e$0f0ba910$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress><007601c6a939$5c5fa580$3db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc>
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Very interesting Tad.
Hey, Don't tell me that the Italians google something:

Ezra Pound:

      1. Rome, Italy   
       
      2. New York, NY, USA   
       
      3. Milan, Italy   
       
      4. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
       
      5. Washington, DC, USA   
       
      6. Boston, MA, USA   
       
      7. Houston, TX, USA   
       
      8. San Francisco, CA, USA   
       
      9. Chicago, IL, USA   
       
      10. Atlanta, GA, USA   


       


as opposed to William Carlos Williams:

      1. Cambridge, MA, USA   
       
      2. Boston, MA, USA   
       
      3. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
       
      4. New York, NY, USA   
       
      5. Portland, OR, USA   
       
      6. St Louis, MO, USA   
       
      7. San Francisco, CA, USA   
       
      8. Pleasanton, CA, USA   
       
      9. Denver, CO, USA   
       
      10. Chicago, IL, USA   
       


or Wallace Stevens:

      1. Cambridge, MA, USA   
       
      2. New York, NY, USA   
       
      3. Boston, MA, USA   
       
      4. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
       
      5. San Francisco, CA, USA   
       
      6. Portland, OR, USA   
       
      7. Chicago, IL, USA   
       
      8. Washington, DC, USA   
       
      9. Austin, TX, USA   
       
      10. Seattle, WA, USA   
       



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: TheOldMole 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trends


  Bob - first one was "Elizabeth Bishop"
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Bob Grumman 
    To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views 
    Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:38 PM
    Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trends


    What's your top one, Mole?  The one beginning with Dublin.

    I tried "visual poetry" sure it would strike out, but thinking it'd be pretty funny if it didn't.  It struck out.

    Poetry yielded:
          1. Brisbane, Australia   
           
          2. New York, NY, USA   
           
          3. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
           
          4. Denver, CO, USA   
           
          5. Vancouver, Canada   
           
          6. Boston, MA, USA   
           
          7. Chicago, IL, USA   
           
          8. Sydney, Australia   
           
          9. Seattle, WA, USA   
           
          10. Washington, DC, USA  


    big tits yielded

          1. Birmingham, United Kingdom   
           
          2. Manchester, United Kingdom   
           
          3. Montreal, Canada   
           
          4. Brentford, United Kingdom   
           
          5. Miami, FL, USA   
           
          6. Houston, TX, USA   
           
          7. Los Angeles, CA, USA   
           
          8. Toronto, Canada   
           
          9. Melbourne, Australia   
           
          10. Chicago, IL, USA   
           

    It would seem that all that counts is number of searches rather than number of searches per capita, which would be much more interesting.  Although New York's poor showing for big tits is pretty interesting.  (And where'd this Brentford come from?)

    --Bob G.
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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Mon Jul 17 07:55:32 2006
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:55:32 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends
References: <001d01c6a928$ba898b00$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress><004b01c6a92e$0f0ba910$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress><007601c6a939$5c5fa580$3db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><005a01c6a955$63633c40$6401a8c0@OldMoleExpress>
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What I'd be interested in would be a way of determining how many people do a google search for a given poet for some reason other than passing some English class.  It would be similarly interesting to know who many non-students buy books of poetry.  Very few, I suspect.

--Bob G.
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From mandolin at mac.com  Mon Jul 17 08:59:29 2006
From: mandolin at mac.com (Mike Snider)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:59:29 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends
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On Monday, July 17, 2006, at 07:59AM, Bob Grumman <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote:

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For almost 4 years, near the second month of the spring and fall semesters my blog has gotten a bunch of search-driven hits for Julia Alvarez's "Woman's Work." It's how I know school has started.


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From tad at opus40.org  Mon Jul 17 10:30:10 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:30:10 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends
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Thought I'd try a few others to see how Italy stacked up:

MICHELANGELO

1. Florence, Italy 
     

  2. Brasilia, Brazil 
     

  3. Naples, Italy 
     

  4. Rome, Italy 
     

  5. Bologna, Italy 
     

  6. Milan, Italy 
     

  7. Padova, Italy 
     

  8. Torino, Italy 
     

  9. Sao Paulo, Brazil 
     

  10. Oslo, Norway 
     



RAVIOLI

1. Providence, RI, USA 
     

  2. Milan, Italy 
     

  3. Rome, Italy 
     

  4. Boston, MA, USA 
     

  5. New York, NY, USA 
     

  6. San Francisco, CA, USA 
     

  7. Philadelphia, PA, USA 
     

  8. Seattle, WA, USA 
     

  9. Chicago, IL, USA 
     

  10. Zurich, Switzerland 
     




DANTE

1. Bari, Italy 
     

  2. Naples, Italy 
     

  3. Florence, Italy 
     

  4. Rome, Italy 
     

  5. Bologna, Italy 
     

  6. Milan, Italy 
     

  7. Padova, Italy 
     

  8. Torino, Italy 
     

  9. Buenos Aires, Argentina 
     

  10. Lima, Peru 
     



DANTE ALIGIERI

1. Nola, Italy 
     

  2. Naples, Italy 
     

  3. Bari, Italy 
     

  4. Florence, Italy 
     

  5. Cagliari, Italy 
     

  6. Rome, Italy 
     

  7. Palermo, Italy 
     

  8. Pisa, Italy 
     

  9. Milan, Italy 
     

  10. Padova, Italy 
     



ITALIAN RENAISSANCE

1. Miami, FL, USA 
     

  2. Philadelphia, PA, USA 
     

  3. San Diego, CA, USA 
     

  4. New York, NY, USA 
     

  5. Los Angeles, CA, USA 
     

  6. San Francisco, CA, USA 
     

  7. Austin, TX, USA 
     

  8. Irvine, CA, USA 
     

  9. Boston, MA, USA 
     

  10. Orlando, FL, USA 
     



PIZZA

1. Austin, TX, USA 
     

  2. San Diego, CA, USA 
     

  3. Pleasanton, CA, USA 
     

  4. Phoenix, AZ, USA 
     

  5. San Francisco, CA, USA 
     

  6. St Louis, MO, USA 
     

  7. Chicago, IL, USA 
     

  8. Minneapolis, MN, USA 
     

  9. Seattle, WA, USA 
     

  10. Portland, OR, USA 
     


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anny Ballardini 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views 
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trends


  Very interesting Tad.
  Hey, Don't tell me that the Italians google something:

  Ezra Pound:

        1. Rome, Italy   
         
        2. New York, NY, USA   
         
        3. Milan, Italy   
         
        4. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
         
        5. Washington, DC, USA   
         
        6. Boston, MA, USA   
         
        7. Houston, TX, USA   
         
        8. San Francisco, CA, USA   
         
        9. Chicago, IL, USA   
         
        10. Atlanta, GA, USA   


         


  as opposed to William Carlos Williams:

        1. Cambridge, MA, USA   
         
        2. Boston, MA, USA   
         
        3. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
         
        4. New York, NY, USA   
         
        5. Portland, OR, USA   
         
        6. St Louis, MO, USA   
         
        7. San Francisco, CA, USA   
         
        8. Pleasanton, CA, USA   
         
        9. Denver, CO, USA   
         
        10. Chicago, IL, USA   
         


  or Wallace Stevens:

        1. Cambridge, MA, USA   
         
        2. New York, NY, USA   
         
        3. Boston, MA, USA   
         
        4. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
         
        5. San Francisco, CA, USA   
         
        6. Portland, OR, USA   
         
        7. Chicago, IL, USA   
         
        8. Washington, DC, USA   
         
        9. Austin, TX, USA   
         
        10. Seattle, WA, USA   
         



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: TheOldMole 
    To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
    Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:59 AM
    Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trends


    Bob - first one was "Elizabeth Bishop"
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bob Grumman 
      To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views 
      Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:38 PM
      Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trends


      What's your top one, Mole?  The one beginning with Dublin.

      I tried "visual poetry" sure it would strike out, but thinking it'd be pretty funny if it didn't.  It struck out.

      Poetry yielded:
            1. Brisbane, Australia   
             
            2. New York, NY, USA   
             
            3. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
             
            4. Denver, CO, USA   
             
            5. Vancouver, Canada   
             
            6. Boston, MA, USA   
             
            7. Chicago, IL, USA   
             
            8. Sydney, Australia   
             
            9. Seattle, WA, USA   
             
            10. Washington, DC, USA  


      big tits yielded

            1. Birmingham, United Kingdom   
             
            2. Manchester, United Kingdom   
             
            3. Montreal, Canada   
             
            4. Brentford, United Kingdom   
             
            5. Miami, FL, USA   
             
            6. Houston, TX, USA   
             
            7. Los Angeles, CA, USA   
             
            8. Toronto, Canada   
             
            9. Melbourne, Australia   
             
            10. Chicago, IL, USA   
             

      It would seem that all that counts is number of searches rather than number of searches per capita, which would be much more interesting.  Although New York's poor showing for big tits is pretty interesting.  (And where'd this Brentford come from?)

      --Bob G.



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From rsillima at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 17 12:04:15 2006
From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:04:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog
Message-ID: <20060717160415.92781.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A note on the poetry of the Bay Area,
looking backwards to 1955
and looking forwards to the future


From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Jul 17 12:17:16 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:17:16 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends
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I think it is Henry Gould's fault if Providence ranks that high with _ravioli_!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: TheOldMole 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trends


  Thought I'd try a few others to see how Italy stacked up:

  MICHELANGELO

  1. Florence, Italy 
       

    2. Brasilia, Brazil 
       

    3. Naples, Italy 
       

    4. Rome, Italy 
       

    5. Bologna, Italy 
       

    6. Milan, Italy 
       

    7. Padova, Italy 
       

    8. Torino, Italy 
       

    9. Sao Paulo, Brazil 
       

    10. Oslo, Norway 
       



  RAVIOLI

  1. Providence, RI, USA 
       

    2. Milan, Italy 
       

    3. Rome, Italy 
       

    4. Boston, MA, USA 
       

    5. New York, NY, USA 
       

    6. San Francisco, CA, USA 
       

    7. Philadelphia, PA, USA 
       

    8. Seattle, WA, USA 
       

    9. Chicago, IL, USA 
       

    10. Zurich, Switzerland 
       




  DANTE

  1. Bari, Italy 
       

    2. Naples, Italy 
       

    3. Florence, Italy 
       

    4. Rome, Italy 
       

    5. Bologna, Italy 
       

    6. Milan, Italy 
       

    7. Padova, Italy 
       

    8. Torino, Italy 
       

    9. Buenos Aires, Argentina 
       

    10. Lima, Peru 
       



  DANTE ALIGIERI

  1. Nola, Italy 
       

    2. Naples, Italy 
       

    3. Bari, Italy 
       

    4. Florence, Italy 
       

    5. Cagliari, Italy 
       

    6. Rome, Italy 
       

    7. Palermo, Italy 
       

    8. Pisa, Italy 
       

    9. Milan, Italy 
       

    10. Padova, Italy 
       



  ITALIAN RENAISSANCE

  1. Miami, FL, USA 
       

    2. Philadelphia, PA, USA 
       

    3. San Diego, CA, USA 
       

    4. New York, NY, USA 
       

    5. Los Angeles, CA, USA 
       

    6. San Francisco, CA, USA 
       

    7. Austin, TX, USA 
       

    8. Irvine, CA, USA 
       

    9. Boston, MA, USA 
       

    10. Orlando, FL, USA 
       



  PIZZA

  1. Austin, TX, USA 
       

    2. San Diego, CA, USA 
       

    3. Pleasanton, CA, USA 
       

    4. Phoenix, AZ, USA 
       

    5. San Francisco, CA, USA 
       

    6. St Louis, MO, USA 
       

    7. Chicago, IL, USA 
       

    8. Minneapolis, MN, USA 
       

    9. Seattle, WA, USA 
       

    10. Portland, OR, USA 
       


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Anny Ballardini 
    To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views 
    Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:45 AM
    Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trends


    Very interesting Tad.
    Hey, Don't tell me that the Italians google something:

    Ezra Pound:

          1. Rome, Italy   
           
          2. New York, NY, USA   
           
          3. Milan, Italy   
           
          4. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
           
          5. Washington, DC, USA   
           
          6. Boston, MA, USA   
           
          7. Houston, TX, USA   
           
          8. San Francisco, CA, USA   
           
          9. Chicago, IL, USA   
           
          10. Atlanta, GA, USA   


           


    as opposed to William Carlos Williams:

          1. Cambridge, MA, USA   
           
          2. Boston, MA, USA   
           
          3. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
           
          4. New York, NY, USA   
           
          5. Portland, OR, USA   
           
          6. St Louis, MO, USA   
           
          7. San Francisco, CA, USA   
           
          8. Pleasanton, CA, USA   
           
          9. Denver, CO, USA   
           
          10. Chicago, IL, USA   
           


    or Wallace Stevens:

          1. Cambridge, MA, USA   
           
          2. New York, NY, USA   
           
          3. Boston, MA, USA   
           
          4. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
           
          5. San Francisco, CA, USA   
           
          6. Portland, OR, USA   
           
          7. Chicago, IL, USA   
           
          8. Washington, DC, USA   
           
          9. Austin, TX, USA   
           
          10. Seattle, WA, USA   
           



      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: TheOldMole 
      To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
      Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:59 AM
      Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trends


      Bob - first one was "Elizabeth Bishop"
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Bob Grumman 
        To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp; Views 
        Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:38 PM
        Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Trends


        What's your top one, Mole?  The one beginning with Dublin.

        I tried "visual poetry" sure it would strike out, but thinking it'd be pretty funny if it didn't.  It struck out.

        Poetry yielded:
              1. Brisbane, Australia   
               
              2. New York, NY, USA   
               
              3. Philadelphia, PA, USA   
               
              4. Denver, CO, USA   
               
              5. Vancouver, Canada   
               
              6. Boston, MA, USA   
               
              7. Chicago, IL, USA   
               
              8. Sydney, Australia   
               
              9. Seattle, WA, USA   
               
              10. Washington, DC, USA  


        big tits yielded

              1. Birmingham, United Kingdom   
               
              2. Manchester, United Kingdom   
               
              3. Montreal, Canada   
               
              4. Brentford, United Kingdom   
               
              5. Miami, FL, USA   
               
              6. Houston, TX, USA   
               
              7. Los Angeles, CA, USA   
               
              8. Toronto, Canada   
               
              9. Melbourne, Australia   
               
              10. Chicago, IL, USA   
               

        It would seem that all that counts is number of searches rather than number of searches per capita, which would be much more interesting.  Although New York's poor showing for big tits is pretty interesting.  (And where'd this Brentford come from?)

        --Bob G.



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From hruggier at localnet.com  Mon Jul 17 13:35:55 2006
From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:35:55 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY 
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What city has the best poetry scene?  

It used to be Buffalo - Poetry readings two or three nights a week, 
an org. Niagara Erie Writers, Just Buffalo, etc. and the Poetics Program at UBuffalo.  

But lately, not much . . . .

Anybody have a pet city? 
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Mon Jul 17 15:29:49 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:29:49 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY 
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I think New York is always/still N.Y., or? Haven't been there for a while/while now.
  From: Helen Ruggieri 
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:35 PM



  What city has the best poetry scene?  

  It used to be Buffalo - Poetry readings two or three nights a week, 
  an org. Niagara Erie Writers, Just Buffalo, etc. and the Poetics Program at UBuffalo.  

  But lately, not much . . . .

  Anybody have a pet city? 
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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Mon Jul 17 17:28:43 2006
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:28:43 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY 
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What city has the best poetry scene?  

It used to be Buffalo - Poetry readings two or three nights a week, an org. Niagara Erie Writers, Just Buffalo, etc. and the Poetics Program at UBuffalo.  

But lately, not much . . . .

Anybody have a pet city? 

Forgive me, Helen, but I have to say that the answer to your question would depend on your definition if  "poetry scene.:  Mine would include variety of poetries represented; varieties of ways it is represented (such as in buses, in galleries, etc.); and quality of poetry that is heard and published.  Quality of bookstores and quality of library holdings should count, too.  

I would subtract for amount of energy expended against poetry by devoting readings to dead poets, etc.  On that basis, New York City would be close to dead last.  But I would agree that that's me, and unfair.

>From a more neutral point of view, I think a good question would be which cities are best for various specific kinds of poetry.  Miami, then, would have to be best for visual poetry because it's had a few exhibitions of it, and because the best collection of visual poetry in the US, and possibly the world is there--at the Sackner Archive.

Buffalo would at one time have been the best city for language poetry.  Since Charles Bernstein left SUNY, Buffalo, though, I suspect it is not, anymore.

I don't know what city would be best for Iowa plaintext poetry.  Possibly New York.  

--Bob G.
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From rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu  Mon Jul 17 22:33:59 2006
From: rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu (Richard Wilsnack)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:33:59 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Trends
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I have a hunch about some of the patterns that may explain the low 
scores for Longfellow. Hypothesis: searches are a function of how much 
you think you do not already know about a topic, relative to how much 
you think you need to know (for work, curiosity, fact-checking, etc.). 
Longfellow's rates should vary seasonally. His hits are way down because 
it is summer time and there are no term papers or American lit courses 
underway. At some point during the fall semester I predict that 
Longfellow's rates will soar.

Richard W. Wilsnack
rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu


From hruggier at localnet.com  Tue Jul 18 10:29:32 2006
From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:29:32 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY 
References: <00a501c6a9c7$765b7890$2a0a9942@Helen>
	<00d201c6a9e7$fe01d3f0$5fb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc>
Message-ID: <004801c6aa76$96c84d10$b4b35040@Helen>

I agree - good library, good bookstores, galleries that work with poets too (integration)
and ...???
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Grumman 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY 


  What city has the best poetry scene?  

  It used to be Buffalo - Poetry readings two or three nights a week, an org. Niagara Erie Writers, Just Buffalo, etc. and the Poetics Program at UBuffalo.  

  But lately, not much . . . .

  Anybody have a pet city? 

  Forgive me, Helen, but I have to say that the answer to your question would depend on your definition if  "poetry scene.:  Mine would include variety of poetries represented; varieties of ways it is represented (such as in buses, in galleries, etc.); and quality of poetry that is heard and published.  Quality of bookstores and quality of library holdings should count, too.  

  I would subtract for amount of energy expended against poetry by devoting readings to dead poets, etc.  On that basis, New York City would be close to dead last.  But I would agree that that's me, and unfair.

  From a more neutral point of view, I think a good question would be which cities are best for various specific kinds of poetry.  Miami, then, would have to be best for visual poetry because it's had a few exhibitions of it, and because the best collection of visual poetry in the US, and possibly the world is there--at the Sackner Archive.

  Buffalo would at one time have been the best city for language poetry.  Since Charles Bernstein left SUNY, Buffalo, though, I suspect it is not, anymore.

  I don't know what city would be best for Iowa plaintext poetry.  Possibly New York.  

  --Bob G.


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From hruggier at localnet.com  Tue Jul 18 10:40:33 2006
From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:40:33 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY 
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Stuff is scattered all over the place, but they go from the high caste to the untouchables. And unlike many places they charge money to get in.  (well, out here in the boonies we almost have to pay people to attend). But NY sn't all university directed which is good. 

h

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anny Ballardini 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 3:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY 


  I think New York is always/still N.Y., or? Haven't been there for a while/while now.
    From: Helen Ruggieri 
    Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:35 PM



    What city has the best poetry scene?  

    It used to be Buffalo - Poetry readings two or three nights a week, 
    an org. Niagara Erie Writers, Just Buffalo, etc. and the Poetics Program at UBuffalo.  

    But lately, not much . . . .

    Anybody have a pet city? 


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Tue Jul 18 16:21:19 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:21:19 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY 
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.... the boonies, 
:-)

I live with the peonies, not the original, the term used in its added negative connotation to describe a level of indigneous something, also called human stuff by me, or by a more refined writer (than me): human spam

which is not spick and span, 

sorry so hot here...
  From: Helen Ruggieri 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:40 PM


  Stuff is scattered all over the place, but they go from the high caste to the untouchables. And unlike many places they charge money to get in.  (well, out here in the boonies we almost have to pay people to attend). But NY sn't all university directed which is good. 

  h

    From: Anny Ballardini 
    Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 3:29 PM


    I think New York is always/still N.Y., or? Haven't been there for a while/while now.
      From: Helen Ruggieri 
      Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:35 PM



      What city has the best poetry scene?  

      It used to be Buffalo - Poetry readings two or three nights a week, 
      an org. Niagara Erie Writers, Just Buffalo, etc. and the Poetics Program at UBuffalo.  

      But lately, not much . . . .

      Anybody have a pet city? 
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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Tue Jul 18 18:39:56 2006
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:39:56 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY 
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  I agree - good library, good bookstores, galleries that work with poets too (integration)
  and ...???

  Here's a real fantasy answer: a newspaper that ran a weekly thousand-word column by someone knowledgeable of his city's poetry scene who covered some local poet's poetry in every other column, with intelligently-discussed examples of it included.  The columnist would do the same thing in his other columns, except with national poets (perhaps connecting them to local poets).

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From hawkbrwn at msn.com  Tue Jul 18 19:22:46 2006
From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:22:46 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY
In-Reply-To: <009201c6aabb$1b4f35a0$55b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc>
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Wow!  If anyone finds something like this, or gets a newspaper to do it, be
sure to let us know!


On 7/18/06 2:39 PM, "Bob Grumman" <bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net> wrote:

> 
>  
>>  
>> I agree - good library, good bookstores,  galleries that work with poets too
>> (integration)
>>  
>> and ...???
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Here's a real fantasy answer: a newspaper that ran a  weekly thousand-word
>> column by someone knowledgeable of his city's poetry  scene who covered some
>> local poet's poetry in every other column, with  intelligently-discussed
>> examples of it included.  The columnist would do  the same thing in his other
>> columns, except with national poets (perhaps  connecting them to local
>> poets).
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> --Bob 
> 
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From halvard at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 18 21:53:17 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:53:17 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] BESTEST CITY FOR POETRY
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV1287B37E894EEF2FB32D04D9630@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV1287B37E894EEF2FB32D04D9630@phx.gbl>
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Any city a poet finds him/herself in.

Hal

"A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
  suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
  how dearly we must pay for the invention of
  speech."
			--E. M. Cioran

Halvard Johnson
================
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Wed Jul 19 01:05:30 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:05:30 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] BESTEST CITY FOR POETRY
References: <BAY106-DAV1287B37E894EEF2FB32D04D9630@phx.gbl>
	<24FCA886-961B-4E63-90AB-631C8E9508EA@earthlink.net>
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I think I agree, think of Lisbon (Lisboa) and Pessoa. I went there to see it just because of the poet and whatever I saw (filthiness / religious fanaticism acting through obscure Catholicism / such) just brought me back to the poet, to how he transformed it or how it resonated in him. 
Only the new Arts Center (new several years ago), spectacular indeed, brought me to a different dimension.

  From: Halvard Johnson 
  &amp;Views 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:53 AM



  Any city a poet finds him/herself in.


  Hal


  "A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
   suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
   how dearly we must pay for the invention of
   speech."
  --E. M. Cioran


  Halvard Johnson
  ================
  halvard at gmail.com
  halvard at earthlink.net
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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Wed Jul 19 08:06:50 2006
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:06:50 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY
References: <BAY106-DAV1287B37E894EEF2FB32D04D9630@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004501c6ab2b$d31574e0$64b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc>

Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY>>>Here's a real fantasy answer: a newspaper that ran a  weekly thousand-word column by someone knowledgeable of his city's poetry  scene who covered some local poet's poetry in every other column, with  intelligently-discussed examples of it included.  The columnist would do  the same thing in his other columns, except with national poets (perhaps  connecting them to local poets).

--Bob

  Wow!  If anyone finds something like this, or gets a newspaper to do it, be sure to let us know!


  Well, I did say "fantasy answer."  But how about a newspaper that intelligently covered one local poet a month?  Or one local poet every three months, one local composer every three months and one lcoal painter or sculptor every three months.
  --Bob G. 

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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Wed Jul 19 08:16:05 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:16:05 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY
References: <BAY106-DAV1287B37E894EEF2FB32D04D9630@phx.gbl>
	<004501c6ab2b$d31574e0$64b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc>
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Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRYHey Bob, I did it... (did because we are on holiday for the summer, but will/might pick up in fall, hopefully)
check my blog (you can easily find the articles because I scanned them),
not local poets but my (mainly and preferably) American ones,
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Grumman 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY


  >>>Here's a real fantasy answer: a newspaper that ran a  weekly thousand-word column by someone knowledgeable of his city's poetry  scene who covered some local poet's poetry in every other column, with  intelligently-discussed examples of it included.  The columnist would do  the same thing in his other columns, except with national poets (perhaps  connecting them to local poets).

  --Bob

    Wow!  If anyone finds something like this, or gets a newspaper to do it, be sure to let us know!


    Well, I did say "fantasy answer."  But how about a newspaper that intelligently covered one local poet a month?  Or one local poet every three months, one local composer every three months and one lcoal painter or sculptor every three months.
    --Bob G. 
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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Wed Jul 19 14:21:09 2006
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:21:09 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY
References: <BAY106-DAV1287B37E894EEF2FB32D04D9630@phx.gbl><004501c6ab2b$d31574e0$64b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc>
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Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRYI'm a little confused, Anny--are you referring to your (always interesting reviews) at your blog?  Or do you also have newspaper reviews at your blog that you've done--and I can't find?

--Bob
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anny Ballardini 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY


  Hey Bob, I did it... (did because we are on holiday for the summer, but will/might pick up in fall, hopefully)
  check my blog (you can easily find the articles because I scanned them),
  not local poets but my (mainly and preferably) American ones,
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Bob Grumman 
    To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
    Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:06 PM
    Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY


    >>>Here's a real fantasy answer: a newspaper that ran a  weekly thousand-word column by someone knowledgeable of his city's poetry  scene who covered some local poet's poetry in every other column, with  intelligently-discussed examples of it included.  The columnist would do  the same thing in his other columns, except with national poets (perhaps  connecting them to local poets).

    --Bob

      Wow!  If anyone finds something like this, or gets a newspaper to do it, be sure to let us know!


      Well, I did say "fantasy answer."  But how about a newspaper that intelligently covered one local poet a month?  Or one local poet every three months, one local composer every three months and one lcoal painter or sculptor every three months.
      --Bob G. 


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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Wed Jul 19 14:33:14 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:33:14 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY
References: <BAY106-DAV1287B37E894EEF2FB32D04D9630@phx.gbl><004501c6ab2b$d31574e0$64b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><00a501c6ab2d$1c962dc0$cfaa3852@ANNY>
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Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRYI have been running this Angolo della Poesia every fortnight with a brief program on the regional radio RAI, courtesy of Nives Simonetti, by which I introduced an author. On the same day (on Saturdays) the local newspaper Alto Adige published my introduction of the chosen Author with the poem read during the radio program (by the actress Daniela Scarlatti) in my Italian translation, courtesy of Fabio Zamboni and Mauro Fattor, editors:

http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/2006/07/langolo-della-poesia_15.html
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/2006/07/langolo-della-poesia.html
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/2006/06/langolo-della-poesia_17.html
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/2006/06/langolo-della-poesia.html
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/2006/05/langolo-della-poesia_20.html
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/2006/05/langolo-della-poesia.html

(hope the links work)

there are some more, you can easily spot them because there is this vertical box: the scanned newspaper article , in Italian... and they are on every 15 days.
I even mentioned you and Geof Huth when I spoke of Karl Young. I doubt it that you will be famous here, but anyhow, you were on the air at a certain point,

Anny
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Grumman 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY


  I'm a little confused, Anny--are you referring to your (always interesting reviews) at your blog?  Or do you also have newspaper reviews at your blog that you've done--and I can't find?

  --Bob
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Anny Ballardini 
    To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
    Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:16 AM
    Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY


    Hey Bob, I did it... (did because we are on holiday for the summer, but will/might pick up in fall, hopefully)
    check my blog (you can easily find the articles because I scanned them),
    not local poets but my (mainly and preferably) American ones,
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bob Grumman 
      To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
      Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:06 PM
      Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY


      >>>Here's a real fantasy answer: a newspaper that ran a  weekly thousand-word column by someone knowledgeable of his city's poetry  scene who covered some local poet's poetry in every other column, with  intelligently-discussed examples of it included.  The columnist would do  the same thing in his other columns, except with national poets (perhaps  connecting them to local poets).

      --Bob

        Wow!  If anyone finds something like this, or gets a newspaper to do it, be sure to let us know!


        Well, I did say "fantasy answer."  But how about a newspaper that intelligently covered one local poet a month?  Or one local poet every three months, one local composer every three months and one lcoal painter or sculptor every three months.
        --Bob G. 
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From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net  Wed Jul 19 15:29:28 2006
From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:29:28 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRY
References: <BAY106-DAV1287B37E894EEF2FB32D04D9630@phx.gbl><004501c6ab2b$d31574e0$64b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><00a501c6ab2d$1c962dc0$cfaa3852@ANNY><002101c6ab60$201a6a50$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc>
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Re: [New-Poetry] BEST CITY FOR POETRYOkay, now I got it Anny--two thanks--for the info, and for putting me into . . . Alto Adige!  (Hey, I just remembered, Carla Bertola translated a poem I co-wrote with someone else into Italian and published it in her magazine--the name of which I've forgotten, as well as who I collaborated with and what the poem was!  What's important, though, is that I'm already famous in Italy!)

--Bob 
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From gmguddi at ilstu.edu  Thu Jul 20 15:14:57 2006
From: gmguddi at ilstu.edu (Gabriel Gudding)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:14:57 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] F Wright and F Howe
Message-ID: <44BFD631.9080408@ilstu.edu>

Tonight Franz Wright and Fanny Howe will be on Open Source Radio, a 
nationally syndicated NPR radio show (which featured an entry from my 
blog on Bloomsday).

One of the people who produces the show has alerted me to it -- and is 
hoping that poets and poetry-files respond with commentary on their site:
 
http://www.radioopensource.org/the-poetry-of-franz-wright-and-fannie-howe/.

Gabriel

http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com





From gmguddi at ilstu.edu  Thu Jul 20 17:29:26 2006
From: gmguddi at ilstu.edu (Gabriel Gudding)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:29:26 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: F Wright and F Howe
In-Reply-To: <44BFD631.9080408@ilstu.edu>
References: <44BFD631.9080408@ilstu.edu>
Message-ID: <44BFF5B6.9090209@ilstu.edu>

The times and stations are listed here:

http://www.radioopensource.org/be-a-source/hear-on-the-radio/

(thanks to Justin Marks for querying about the time)

g

Gabriel Gudding wrote:
> Tonight Franz Wright and Fanny Howe will be on Open Source Radio, a 
> nationally syndicated NPR radio show (which featured an entry from my 
> blog on Bloomsday).
> 
> One of the people who produces the show has alerted me to it -- and is 
> hoping that poets and poetry-files respond with commentary on their site:
> 
> http://www.radioopensource.org/the-poetry-of-franz-wright-and-fannie-howe/.
> 
> Gabriel
> 
> http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> 
> 


From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Jul 21 12:17:56 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:17:56 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] Big Bridge's 
Message-ID: <010001c6ace1$3a3e0540$71a83852@ANNY>

protest:
http://www.bigbridge.org/



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From amyhappens at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 23 12:48:05 2006
From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:48:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] A Little Slice of Summer -- MiPOesias
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F18247B4A81781A09E5094CB16B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060723164805.52940.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Why Settle for a Vacation When You Can Adventure?  
   
  Gina Myers - "Behind Closed Doors" and "House"  --  http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/myers_gina.html
   
   
  Grace Cavalieri - "Say What You Will," "The Telephone Stalker Is Head Over Heels in Love," and "Other People's Arms" -- http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/cavalieri_grace.html 
   
   
  Benjamin Buchholz - "Between Now and Waking" -- http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/buchholz_benjamim.html
   
   
  Stephani Vaughan - excerpts from a forthcoming novella - http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/vaughan_stephani.html
   
   
  Gina Franco - "middle of our life I came to myself in a dark," "passed over our shadows and put our soles on their vanity which seems a body," and "they had to come backward for to look before them was denied" -- http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/franco_gina.html
   
   
  Karyna McGlynn -- [he had small eyes the color of dull mink], [some hallway spill fried pinesol down my thigh], and "When They Light the Saginaki" -- http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/mcglynn_karyna.html
   
   
  Michelle Noteboom - "Moistly meaning psychotherapeutics in the stellar estrous age," "I am not the beautiful swimmer," and "I am so not the beautiful swimmer" -- http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/noteboom_michelle.html
   
   
  Meghan Puhschke - "Pony," "Grace," and "Toothpicks As a Twelve Step" --  http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/punschke_meghan.html 
   
   
  John Sakkis -- from Mouf -- http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/sakkis_john.html
   
   
  Noah Eli Gordon -- "on dismantling classical vocabulary," "palatial is the compass that shall usher us in," and "perfect gears of industry like an alligator lay in wait exhaling evaporating" -- http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/gordon_noaheli.html
   
   
  Christopher Salerno -- "What if Marvelous Marvin Hagler" and "Foot" -- http://www.mipoesias.com/Poetry/salerno_christopher.html 
   
   
  Cheers!
   
  Amy King, Managing Editor 
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From edmundhardy at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 23 21:13:45 2006
From: edmundhardy at hotmail.com (Edmund Hardy)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:13:45 +0000
Subject: [New-Poetry] Douglas Oliver Blog Symposium
In-Reply-To: <200607211600.k6LG03xM028540@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F84873C7460698AC720533BA650@phx.gbl>

http://intercapillaryspace.blogspot.com/

A blog symposium / radial carnival dedicated to the work of Douglas Oliver 
has begun at "Intercapillary Space", with a post each day. Personal 
responses, detailed commentaries, essays, diaries... For the first week the 
contributors are: Pierre Joris, Ralph Hawkins, Nina Davies, Robert Sheppard, 
Alan Hay, Laura Steele & Ian Davidson. . . and maybe more after that. . .

The first post, 'The Tea?Brown Light of Kindness' by Pierre Joris, is here:
http://intercapillaryspace.blogspot.com/2006/07/tea-brown-light-of-kindness.html

Responses and further blog posts welcome, just fire them off to 
edmundhardy at hotmail.com

Links to poems by Oliver, essays on his work, and full details of his 
publications are here:
http://intercapillaryspace.blogspot.com/2006/06/douglas-oliver-hyper-link-crystal.html




From rsillima at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 24 11:19:31 2006
From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] We're back - Silliman's Blog
Message-ID: <20060724151931.20910.qmail@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/

RECENT POSTS

Rebirth of the division
between the School of Quietude
and the post-avant tradition
in Afghan poetry in the U.S.

Geography, community and traffic
in the San Francisco Bay Area

A moment of comedy
offered by Brad Leithauser
in the NY Times

The tragedy of David Ignatow

Litquake:
We have met the enemy and he is us

Naropa Notes

Michael Koshkin?s Ronald Johnson

A unique reading 
of The Men
by Lisa Robertson 

Preparing students for an MFA

Just what is genre?

Between self and other in poetry
(don?t teach the obvious)

Time in Allen Ginsberg?s Howl

http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/



From lattaj at umich.edu  Mon Jul 24 13:36:50 2006
From: lattaj at umich.edu (John Latta)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:36:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: We're back - Silliman's Blog
In-Reply-To: <20060724151931.20910.qmail@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060724151931.20910.qmail@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Is that the royal "we"?

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Ron Silliman wrote:

> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/
>
> RECENT POSTS
>
> Rebirth of the division
> between the School of Quietude
> and the post-avant tradition
> in Afghan poetry in the U.S.
>
> Geography, community and traffic
> in the San Francisco Bay Area
>
> A moment of comedy
> offered by Brad Leithauser
> in the NY Times
>
> The tragedy of David Ignatow
>
> Litquake:
> We have met the enemy and he is us
>
> Naropa Notes
>
> Michael Koshkin?s Ronald Johnson
>
> A unique reading
> of The Men
> by Lisa Robertson
>
> Preparing students for an MFA
>
> Just what is genre?
>
> Between self and other in poetry
> (don?t teach the obvious)
>
> Time in Allen Ginsberg?s Howl
>
> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/
>
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From r_loden at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 25 06:41:19 2006
From: r_loden at sbcglobal.net (Rachel Loden)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:41:19 -0700
Subject: [New-Poetry] "What the Gravedigger Needs"
Message-ID: <000a01c6afd6$dd8dd5c0$230110ac@GLASSCASTLE>

 
If you're so inclined, one of my poems from the new issue of New American
Writing is at Poetry Daily today, and afterwards for a year in the archives:

http://www.poems.com/


(Apologies to anyone who gets this announcement more than once!)

How to get a copy of NAW from the editors, Maxine Chernoff and Paul Hoover:

New American Writing 24 (2006) has just been published and can be ordered
directly?from New American Writing, 369 Molino Avenue, Mill Valley, CA
94941, for $13 ($2 off the cover price).
?
You can save $3 an issue, a total savings of $9,?by ordering a subscription
for three annual issues.? To do so, send a check for $36 to the above
address.?
?
To use a credit a card, order single copies?or subscriptions?online?through
the NAW website, www.newamericanwriting.com.? 
?
The 220 page issue contains a?generous Nathaniel Mackey feature including
"The Atmosphere is Alive," an interview with the poet by Sarah Rosenthal and
a?representative selection of his poetry and prose.
?
Also featured are translations of the poetry of Pura Lopez-Colome (Jason
Stumpf), Pablo Neruda (Clayton Eshleman), Aase Berg (Johannes Gorranson),
Vladimir Holan Josef Horacek & Lara Glenum), Yang?Jian (Wang Ping and Alex
Lemon), Yao Feng (Christopher Kelen), Eugenio Montejo (Kirk Nesset), and
eight poems of Nguyen Trai,?1380-1442, one of Vietnam's greatest poets
(Nguyen Do?& Paul Hoover).
?
As?always,?poetry in electrifying English:??Pierre Joris, Rosmarie Waldrop,
Clayton Eshleman, Mac Wellman, Karen Garthe,?Martine Bellen, Rusty Morrison,
Joanna Klink, Edward Smallfield,?Joseph Lease, Brian Teare,? Diane Newman,
G.C. Waldrep, John Olson, Campbell McGrath, Devin Johnston, Lisa Isaacson,
Ethan Paquin, Douglas Messerli, Caroline Knox, Rachel Loden, Terence Winch,
Todd Swift, Patrick Pritchett, Craig Watson, Stephen Vincent, Fred?Marchant,
Valerie Coulton, Maged Zaher, Carol Ciavonne,?Sandra Park, Curtis Bonney,
George Kalamaras, Daneen?Wardrop, Katie Degentesh, Michael Magee, Sharon
Mesmer, Susan Maxwell, Barbara Jane Reyes, Susen James, Noelle Kocot, Chad
Faries,?Nathan Hauke, John Sakkis, Daniel?Tiffany, Max Winter, James Meetze,
Lori Shine, and Andrew Early.? 
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From faustina1 at aol.com  Tue Jul 25 10:54:41 2006
From: faustina1 at aol.com (faustina1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:54:41 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] "What the Gravedigger Needs"
In-Reply-To: <000a01c6afd6$dd8dd5c0$230110ac@GLASSCASTLE>
References: <000a01c6afd6$dd8dd5c0$230110ac@GLASSCASTLE>
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Hi Rachel!  I saw your poem and thought it was great--and it is being discussed on Wompo; are you still on it?  Someone wanted your address to write to you about it.  Hope you are having a good summer.  I am teaching summer school, but being as lazy as the students.  We just relax and discuss often with no goal in mind.  Best, Janet 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: r_loden at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 5:41 AM
Subject: [New-Poetry] "What the Gravedigger Needs"


X-INFO: INVALID TO LINE
 
If you're so inclined, one of my poems from the new issue of New American
Writing is at Poetry Daily today, and afterwards for a year in the archives:

http://www.poems.com/


(Apologies to anyone who gets this announcement more than once!)

How to get a copy of NAW from the editors, Maxine Chernoff and Paul Hoover:

New American Writing 24 (2006) has just been published and can be ordered
directly from New American Writing, 369 Molino Avenue, Mill Valley, CA
94941, for $13 ($2 off the cover price).
 
You can save $3 an issue, a total savings of $9, by ordering a subscription
for three annual issues.  To do so, send a check for $36 to the above
address. 
 
To use a credit a card, order single copies or subscriptions online through
the NAW website, www.newamericanwriting.com.  
 
The 220 page issue contains a generous Nathaniel Mackey feature including
"The Atmosphere is Alive," an interview with the poet by Sarah Rosenthal and
a representative selection of his poetry and prose.
 
Also featured are translations of the poetry of Pura Lopez-Colome (Jason
Stumpf), Pablo Neruda (Clayton Eshleman), Aase Berg (Johannes Gorranson),
Vladimir Holan Josef Horacek & Lara Glenum), Yang Jian (Wang Ping and Alex
Lemon), Yao Feng (Christopher Kelen), Eugenio Montejo (Kirk Nesset), and
eight poems of Nguyen Trai, 1380-1442, one of Vietnam's greatest poets
(Nguyen Do & Paul Hoover).
 
As always, poetry in electrifying English:  Pierre Joris, Rosmarie Waldrop,
Clayton Eshleman, Mac Wellman, Karen Garthe, Martine Bellen, Rusty Morrison,
Joanna Klink, Edward Smallfield, Joseph Lease, Brian Teare,  Diane Newman,
G.C. Waldrep, John Olson, Campbell McGrath, Devin Johnston, Lisa Isaacson,
Ethan Paquin, Douglas Messerli, Caroline Knox, Rachel Loden, Terence Winch,
Todd Swift, Patrick Pritchett, Craig Watson, Stephen Vincent, Fred Marchant,
Valerie Coulton, Maged Zaher, Carol Ciavonne, Sandra Park, Curtis Bonney,
George Kalamaras, Daneen Wardrop, Katie Degentesh, Michael Magee, Sharon
Mesmer, Susan Maxwell, Barbara Jane Reyes, Susen James, Noelle Kocot, Chad
Faries, Nathan Hauke, John Sakkis, Daniel Tiffany, Max Winter, James Meetze,
Lori Shine, and Andrew Early.  
 



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From tad at opus40.org  Tue Jul 25 11:33:26 2006
From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:33:26 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] "What the Gravedigger Needs"
References: <000a01c6afd6$dd8dd5c0$230110ac@GLASSCASTLE>
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Are you supposed to have a goal?

Rachel -- agreed -- I loved the poem.

Tad
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: faustina1 at aol.com 
  To: r_loden at sbcglobal.net ; new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] "What the Gravedigger Needs"


  Hi Rachel!  I saw your poem and thought it was great--and it is being discussed on Wompo; are you still on it?  Someone wanted your address to write to you about it.  Hope you are having a good summer.  I am teaching summer school, but being as lazy as the students.  We just relax and discuss often with no goal in mind.  Best, Janet 

   
  -----Original Message-----
  From: r_loden at sbcglobal.net
  Sent: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 5:41 AM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] "What the Gravedigger Needs"


X-INFO: INVALID TO LINE
 
If you're so inclined, one of my poems from the new issue of New American
Writing is at Poetry Daily today, and afterwards for a year in the archives:

http://www.poems.com/


(Apologies to anyone who gets this announcement more than once!)

How to get a copy of NAW from the editors, Maxine Chernoff and Paul Hoover:

New American Writing 24 (2006) has just been published and can be ordered
directly from New American Writing, 369 Molino Avenue, Mill Valley, CA
94941, for $13 ($2 off the cover price).
 
You can save $3 an issue, a total savings of $9, by ordering a subscription
for three annual issues.  To do so, send a check for $36 to the above
address. 
 
To use a credit a card, order single copies or subscriptions online through
the NAW website, www.newamericanwriting.com.  
 
The 220 page issue contains a generous Nathaniel Mackey feature including
"The Atmosphere is Alive," an interview with the poet by Sarah Rosenthal and
a representative selection of his poetry and prose.
 
Also featured are translations of the poetry of Pura Lopez-Colome (Jason
Stumpf), Pablo Neruda (Clayton Eshleman), Aase Berg (Johannes Gorranson),
Vladimir Holan Josef Horacek & Lara Glenum), Yang Jian (Wang Ping and Alex
Lemon), Yao Feng (Christopher Kelen), Eugenio Montejo (Kirk Nesset), and
eight poems of Nguyen Trai, 1380-1442, one of Vietnam's greatest poets
(Nguyen Do & Paul Hoover).
 
As always, poetry in electrifying English:  Pierre Joris, Rosmarie Waldrop,
Clayton Eshleman, Mac Wellman, Karen Garthe, Martine Bellen, Rusty Morrison,
Joanna Klink, Edward Smallfield, Joseph Lease, Brian Teare,  Diane Newman,
G.C. Waldrep, John Olson, Campbell McGrath, Devin Johnston, Lisa Isaacson,
Ethan Paquin, Douglas Messerli, Caroline Knox, Rachel Loden, Terence Winch,
Todd Swift, Patrick Pritchett, Craig Watson, Stephen Vincent, Fred Marchant,
Valerie Coulton, Maged Zaher, Carol Ciavonne, Sandra Park, Curtis Bonney,
George Kalamaras, Daneen Wardrop, Katie Degentesh, Michael Magee, Sharon
Mesmer, Susan Maxwell, Barbara Jane Reyes, Susen James, Noelle Kocot, Chad
Faries, Nathan Hauke, John Sakkis, Daniel Tiffany, Max Winter, James Meetze,
Lori Shine, and Andrew Early.  
 



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From amyhappens at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 25 12:46:06 2006
From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] This Friday @ Stain Bar in Brooklyn -- Huth, Kaufman,
	& Vassilakis
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Geof Huth, Erica Kaufman, & Nico Vassilakis
  Mipo Reading Series (hosted by Amy King)
  @ stain bar
  Friday, July 28, 7PM
  766 grand street
  (L to Grand, 1 block west)
  http://www.stainbar.com/

*STAIN *is a unique arts lounge* *dedicated to local products and talent.
 ____
   
  Geof Huth is a writer of textual and visual poetry. He writes frequently about visual poetry, especially on his weblog, dbqp: visualizing poetics . His chapbooks include Analphabet, The Dreams of the Fishwife, ghostlight, Peristyle, To a Small Stream of Water (or Ditch) , and wreadings. Huth recently edited &2: an/thology of pwoermds, the first-ever anthology of one-word poems. His most recent book was a box of pages entitled water vapour. Next up is the chapbook Out of Water from Paper Kite Press. 
   
  Erica Kaufman co-curates the belladonna* reading series/small press and is the author of the chapbooks: from the two coat syndrome , the kickboxer suite, and a familiar album (winner of the 2003 New School Chapbook Contest). Her poems have appeared in or are forthcoming in Puppy Flowers, Bombay Gin, The Mississippi Review, Jubilat, Good Foot, CARVE, and elsewhere.
   
  Nico Vassilakis lives in Seattle where he is a member of SubText. A father of one Radio. And working on a play about Morton Feldman to be presented in August. Recent chapbooks include Askew (bcc press), The Amputation of L Mendax (Writers Forum), & SPIECES PIECES (gong press). His concrete/visual poetry can be found electronically sprinkled on internet. 
  ____
   
  Hope to see you there!

Amy King & Didi Menendez
  
MiPOesias -- http://www.mipoesias.com
MiPOradio -- http://www.miporadio.net/index1.html
Reading Series -- http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com/
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From hawkbrwn at msn.com  Tue Jul 25 16:00:29 2006
From: hawkbrwn at msn.com (Elaine Brown)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:00:29 -0800
Subject: [New-Poetry] "What the Gravedigger Needs"
In-Reply-To: <000a01c6afd6$dd8dd5c0$230110ac@GLASSCASTLE>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV224D88194A5047EAF50DD6D95A0@phx.gbl>

Congrats, Rachel!  Wonderful poem!
Elaine


On 7/25/06 2:41 AM, "Rachel Loden" <r_loden at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>  
> If you're so inclined, one of my poems from the new issue of New American
> Writing is at Poetry Daily today, and afterwards for a year in the archives:
> 
> http://www.poems.com/
> 
> 
> (Apologies to anyone who gets this announcement more than once!)
> 
> How to get a copy of NAW from the editors, Maxine Chernoff and Paul Hoover:
> 
> New American Writing 24 (2006) has just been published and can be ordered
> directly?from New American Writing, 369 Molino Avenue, Mill Valley, CA
> 94941, for $13 ($2 off the cover price).
> ?
> You can save $3 an issue, a total savings of $9,?by ordering a subscription
> for three annual issues.? To do so, send a check for $36 to the above
> address.?
> ?
> To use a credit a card, order single copies?or subscriptions?online?through
> the NAW website, www.newamericanwriting.com.?
> ?
> The 220 page issue contains a?generous Nathaniel Mackey feature including
> "The Atmosphere is Alive," an interview with the poet by Sarah Rosenthal and
> a?representative selection of his poetry and prose.
> ?
> Also featured are translations of the poetry of Pura Lopez-Colome (Jason
> Stumpf), Pablo Neruda (Clayton Eshleman), Aase Berg (Johannes Gorranson),
> Vladimir Holan Josef Horacek & Lara Glenum), Yang?Jian (Wang Ping and Alex
> Lemon), Yao Feng (Christopher Kelen), Eugenio Montejo (Kirk Nesset), and
> eight poems of Nguyen Trai,?1380-1442, one of Vietnam's greatest poets
> (Nguyen Do?& Paul Hoover).
> ?
> As?always,?poetry in electrifying English:??Pierre Joris, Rosmarie Waldrop,
> Clayton Eshleman, Mac Wellman, Karen Garthe,?Martine Bellen, Rusty Morrison,
> Joanna Klink, Edward Smallfield,?Joseph Lease, Brian Teare,? Diane Newman,
> G.C. Waldrep, John Olson, Campbell McGrath, Devin Johnston, Lisa Isaacson,
> Ethan Paquin, Douglas Messerli, Caroline Knox, Rachel Loden, Terence Winch,
> Todd Swift, Patrick Pritchett, Craig Watson, Stephen Vincent, Fred?Marchant,
> Valerie Coulton, Maged Zaher, Carol Ciavonne,?Sandra Park, Curtis Bonney,
> George Kalamaras, Daneen?Wardrop, Katie Degentesh, Michael Magee, Sharon
> Mesmer, Susan Maxwell, Barbara Jane Reyes, Susen James, Noelle Kocot, Chad
> Faries,?Nathan Hauke, John Sakkis, Daniel?Tiffany, Max Winter, James Meetze,
> Lori Shine, and Andrew Early.?
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> 




From elemenope at icubed.com  Tue Jul 25 19:34:14 2006
From: elemenope at icubed.com (elemenope at icubed.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:34:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject)
Message-ID: <62526.205.201.10.98.1153870454.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com>

(Taken from correspondence outside this list, but the content is
immediatly apparent to interested parties.

R.D.)



And Mercury is retrograde until the 28th.  Lots of Mercury retro glitches
in my video work.

I'm writing on Tuesday.  I may be going up to Chatauqua, N.Y. on Thursday.

I've been busy evaluating the question: Is Terra undergoing WWW IV?  (USSR
vs. USA Cold War being WWW III.)  If so, is this the Battle of Armageddon
as predicted in "The Book of Revelations," or the prophecy W.B. Yeats saw
in his poem, "The Second Coming."

A "gyre" is a funnel shaped, spring-like pattern Yeats used to measure the
ages of 2000 years that mark the Great Astrological Cycle of 24,000 years.
  The falcon and the Falconer point to the relationship of man's control
over the ferocity of animal will and mind; also, consider the fact that
the Arabs are associated with falconry. The term, "Spiritus Mundi," means
the Collective Unconsciousness of Deepest Dream Archetypes, or the Akashik
Records.  I quote from memory:

THE SECOND COMING

Turning and turning in the ever widening gyre,
The falcon cannot hear the falconer,
Things fall apart, the center cannot hold
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the earth,
Everywhere the blood dimmed tide is loosed.
And the ceremony of innocence is drowned.
The best lack all conviction,
While the worst are filled with passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand.
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! No sooner are those words out,
When a vast image out of the Spiritus Mundi
Arises to trouble my sight.
Somewhere in sands of desert
A shape with body of lion and head of a man
Is moving its slow thighs
While all about it screech the indignant cries
Of desert birds.  The darkness drops again.
But now I know that twenty centuries of stony sleep,
Where vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
And what rough beast?  Its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethelem to be born.

(Circa 1921)



> I'm going to call you.
>
> ----- Original Message -----

> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: WE WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN IN OUR LIFETIME
>
>
>> Remember the mechanically physical effects of Mercury Retrograde as
>> Mercury stopped stationary, retreated backwards, stopped, and then went
>> back over the path it had just traced.  Remember the analogy of a boat
>> and
>> its wake.
>>
>> Now consider the current planetary crisis.  What is Mars doing?  And
>> what
>> is Mars in mythology?  Mars (Roman), Ares (Greek), the GAWD OV WAR!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         We will never see this again in our lifetime
>>>
>>>               ...nor will the people of the next 50-to-1,000 Life
>>> Times!
>>>               Mars
>>>
>>>
>>>               The Red Planet is about to be spectacular!
>>>
>>>               This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in an
>>> encounter that
>>>               will culminate in the closest  approach between the two
>>> planets in
>>>               recorded  history. The next time Mars may come this close
>>> is
>>>               in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
>>>               Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
>>>               certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
>>>               in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
>>>               60,000 years before it happens again.
>>>
>>>               The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
>>>               Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
>>>               will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
>>>               the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9
>>>               and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest
>>>               75-power magnification...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>               Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked
>>> eye.
>>>
>>>               Mars will be easy to spot. At the
>>>               beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m.
>>>               and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.
>>>
>>>               By the end of August when the two planets are
>>>               closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
>>>               highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That's pretty
>>>               convenient to see something that no human being has
>>>               seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
>>>               the beginning of August to see Mars grow
>>>               progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
>>>               month.
>>>
>>>
>>>               Share this with your children and grandchildren.
>>>
>>>               NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>




From chris.kelly at nyu.edu  Wed Jul 26 11:38:56 2006
From: chris.kelly at nyu.edu (Christopher Kelly)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:38:56 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] "What the Gravedigger Needs"
In-Reply-To: <000a01c6afd6$dd8dd5c0$230110ac@GLASSCASTLE>
References: <000a01c6afd6$dd8dd5c0$230110ac@GLASSCASTLE>
Message-ID: <d51ba3cbfc4f.44c75450@mail.nyu.edu>


Well done, Rachel! Beautiful work!!!

Many thanks!

cbk 


----- Original Message -----
From: Rachel Loden <r_loden at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 6:41 am
Subject: [New-Poetry] "What the Gravedigger Needs"

> 
> If you're so inclined, one of my poems from the new issue of New 
> AmericanWriting is at Poetry Daily today, and afterwards for a year 
> in the archives:
> 
> http://www.poems.com/
> 
> 
> (Apologies to anyone who gets this announcement more than once!)
> 
> How to get a copy of NAW from the editors, Maxine Chernoff and Paul 
> Hoover:
> New American Writing 24 (2006) has just been published and can be 
> ordereddirectly from New American Writing, 369 Molino Avenue, Mill 
> Valley, CA
> 94941, for $13 ($2 off the cover price).
>  
> You can save $3 an issue, a total savings of $9, by ordering a 
> subscriptionfor three annual issues.  To do so, send a check for 
> $36 to the above
> address. 
>  
> To use a credit a card, order single copies or 
> subscriptions online throughthe NAW website, 
> www.newamericanwriting.com.  
>  
> The 220 page issue contains a generous Nathaniel Mackey feature 
> including"The Atmosphere is Alive," an interview with the poet by 
> Sarah Rosenthal and
> a representative selection of his poetry and prose.
>  
> Also featured are translations of the poetry of Pura Lopez-Colome 
> (JasonStumpf), Pablo Neruda (Clayton Eshleman), Aase Berg (Johannes 
> Gorranson),Vladimir Holan Josef Horacek & Lara Glenum), Yang Jian 
> (Wang Ping and Alex
> Lemon), Yao Feng (Christopher Kelen), Eugenio Montejo (Kirk 
> Nesset), and
> eight poems of Nguyen Trai, 1380-1442, one of Vietnam's greatest poets
> (Nguyen Do & Paul Hoover).
>  
> As always, poetry in electrifying English:  Pierre Joris, Rosmarie 
> Waldrop,Clayton Eshleman, Mac Wellman, Karen Garthe, Martine 
> Bellen, Rusty Morrison,
> Joanna Klink, Edward Smallfield, Joseph Lease, Brian Teare,  Diane 
> Newman,G.C. Waldrep, John Olson, Campbell McGrath, Devin Johnston, 
> Lisa Isaacson,
> Ethan Paquin, Douglas Messerli, Caroline Knox, Rachel Loden, 
> Terence Winch,
> Todd Swift, Patrick Pritchett, Craig Watson, Stephen Vincent, 
> Fred Marchant,Valerie Coulton, Maged Zaher, Carol Ciavonne, Sandra 
> Park, Curtis Bonney,
> George Kalamaras, Daneen Wardrop, Katie Degentesh, Michael Magee, 
> SharonMesmer, Susan Maxwell, Barbara Jane Reyes, Susen James, 
> Noelle Kocot, Chad
> Faries, Nathan Hauke, John Sakkis, Daniel Tiffany, Max Winter, 
> James Meetze,
> Lori Shine, and Andrew Early.  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> 


From wsamia at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 26 11:57:00 2006
From: wsamia at yahoo.com (S@mi@)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:57:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry events in NYC
In-Reply-To: <d51ba3cbfc4f.44c75450@mail.nyu.edu>
Message-ID: <20060726155700.48298.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Poets House is pleased to anounce: 
  Present Tense: Literary Artists & Performers Engaging Chaucer 
with Caroline Bergvall, Wendy Steiner, Susan Stewart 
Hosted by Charles Bernstein
Friday, July 28, 7pm
@ Lowenstein 12th Floor Lounge, Fordham University Lincoln Center Campus
113 West 60th Street, btw. Columbus and Amsterdam Avenues
Admission Free 
Directions and more information can be found here:
http://www.fordham.edu/mvst/conference06/events.html
  Join us for an evening dedicated to innovative performances and readings based on the work of Chaucer by some of our leading contemporary poets and scholars. Organized by University of Pennsylvania professor David Wallace, the evening includes a presentation by Susan Stewart, a reading of a libretto by Wendy Steiner, and a performance by Caroline Bergvall. Charles Bernstein hosts. 
  Caroline Bergvall's books include Eclat, Goan Atom: jets poupee, Goan Atom: 1. Doll, and Fig. 

Susan Stewart is the author of several collections of poetry, including Columbarium, winner of the National Book Critics Circle Award. 

Wendy Steiner's books include Venus in Exile and The Scandal of Pleasure. 
  Presented in conjunction with the 2006 New Chaucer Society Congress and co-sponsored by the Medieval Club of New York
   
Poets House is a literary center and poetry archive?a collection and meeting place that invites poets and the public to step into the living tradition of poetry. Our 45,000 volumes of books, journals, chapbooks, audiotapes, videos and electronic media is one of the most comprehensive open-access collections of poetry in the United States. 

The Reading Room is free and open to the public Tuesday-Friday, 11-7pm & Saturday 11-4pm. 
The Children's Reading Room is open Saturday 11-1pm. 
Please call (212) 431-7920 or visit our website http://www.poetshouse.org for more information & holiday closings. 

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From gmguddi at ilstu.edu  Wed Jul 26 13:08:35 2006
From: gmguddi at ilstu.edu (Gabriel Gudding)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:08:35 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Error on Ron Silliman's Blog
Message-ID: <44C7A193.10606@ilstu.edu>

Please note that in today's commentary on his blog, Ron placed a link 
into his text that is meant to stand as an example of my criticism. He 
linked it to a very weird essay by Carlo Parcelli called "House Nigga, 
Field Nigga."

I did not write that essay.

Gabe

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From halvard at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 26 14:00:17 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:00:17 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Error on Ron Silliman's Blog
In-Reply-To: <44C7A193.10606@ilstu.edu>
References: <44C7A193.10606@ilstu.edu>
Message-ID: <EF0C879C-24A6-4EB0-A5D2-5EB0CDF1CFB9@earthlink.net>


On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Gabriel Gudding wrote:

> Please note that in today's commentary on his blog, Ron placed a  
> link into his text that is meant to stand as an example of my  
> criticism. He linked it to a very weird essay by Carlo Parcelli  
> called "House Nigga, Field Nigga."
>
> I did not write that essay.
>
> Gabe

But why not?

"A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
  suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
  how dearly we must pay for the invention of
  speech."
			--E. M. Cioran

Halvard Johnson
================
halvard at gmail.com
halvard at earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
http://www.hamiltonstone.org


From halvard at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 26 22:57:38 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:57:38 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] From my archives
Message-ID: <6493DCAB-E98E-429D-9FD2-7249E71F5A32@earthlink.net>

Responses to the Bad-poetry-written-when-I-thought-it-was-good thread:

1. The terminological response: "Please define your terms."
2. The hypothetical response: "If good poetry can become bad poetry,
     how can we be sure that it really *is* bad poetry; and, if good  
poetry
     can become bad poetry, is it not possible that bad poetry may  
become
     good poetry?"
3. The categorical response: "Where is the line between good poetry
     and bad?"
4. The cryptic response: "Good bad poetry is not all that far from  
bad good
     poetry *if* you know where to look."
5. The perfunctory response: "The last poem I wrote is my worst one; the
     best one is the one I'm just now beginning to write."
6. The scatological response: "You can put this thread where the sun  
don't
     shine."
7. The Clintonesque response: "Depends what you mean by 'it.'"
8. The "presidential" response: "Writers of bad poetry are evil- 
doers, and
     we're going to hunt them down and smoke them out of their caves,  
unless,
     of course, they is [sic] very good at slithering away."

Hal

"A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
  suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
  how dearly we must pay for the invention of
  speech."
			--E. M. Cioran

Halvard Johnson
================
halvard at gmail.com
halvard at earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Thu Jul 27 02:19:02 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:19:02 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] From my archives
References: <6493DCAB-E98E-429D-9FD2-7249E71F5A32@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005a01c6b144$8e8967e0$9bd83052@ANNY>

9. The idealistic response: "Bad will become Good"
10. The Stoic response: "Bad is better than Good, since bad defines it, shapes it, without bad no good is to be found"
11. The Romantic response: "Poetry permeates Man's life, how can it be bad?"
12. The existentialist response: "Poetry does not exist, whether the assumption of its existence is given, it can only survive in its own desert".
13. Decartes thus spoke: "The good going up, the bad intersecting and descending, two separate tunnels, well defined and visible to man's eyes"
14. The musician scaling through: "B??          , A?,    C F, D
15. The artist (see some colored splotches)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Halvard Johnson 
  To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu 
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:57 AM
  Subject: [New-Poetry] From my archives


  Responses to the Bad-poetry-written-when-I-thought-it-was-good thread:


  1. The terminological response: "Please define your terms."
  2. The hypothetical response: "If good poetry can become bad poetry,
      how can we be sure that it really *is* bad poetry; and, if good poetry
      can become bad poetry, is it not possible that bad poetry may become
      good poetry?"
  3. The categorical response: "Where is the line between good poetry
      and bad?"
  4. The cryptic response: "Good bad poetry is not all that far from bad good
      poetry *if* you know where to look."
  5. The perfunctory response: "The last poem I wrote is my worst one; the
      best one is the one I'm just now beginning to write."
  6. The scatological response: "You can put this thread where the sun don't
      shine."
  7. The Clintonesque response: "Depends what you mean by 'it.'"
  8. The "presidential" response: "Writers of bad poetry are evil-doers, and
      we're going to hunt them down and smoke them out of their caves, unless,
      of course, they is [sic] very good at slithering away."


  Hal


  "A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
   suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
   how dearly we must pay for the invention of
   speech."
  --E. M. Cioran


  Halvard Johnson
  ================
  halvard at gmail.com
  halvard at earthlink.net
  http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
  http://entropyandme.blogspot.com 
  http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
  http://www.hamiltonstone.org 




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From halvard at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 27 15:25:31 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:25:31 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Sonnet:  Norwegian Moods
Message-ID: <65259DA0-D0FB-4BD3-A065-A9C3812B553E@earthlink.net>

Sonnet:  Norwegian Moods

Ole sulked in his tent as the battle raged without.
His once-boisterous manner seemed to have vanished.
Among his cousins was one Thordan, known by all
as Thor, the Thick-headed. Ole mourned for Thordan.

While the fear of death drives some men to suicide,
Ole was fearless. Yes, foolish, as some would say.
The walls of the besieged city were covered with signs
that said, ?Post No Bills,? the irony not lost upon Ole.

Known as The Childless, Ole had moods as various as
the morning?s weather, shifting from rain to sun
and back again from moment to moment. Disastrous
feuds claimed all of his fortune and most of his time.

Feeling words were beyond him, Ole lashed out or fell
silent, went raiding, or watched some TV.

Hal

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================
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From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul 27 18:43:37 2006
From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:43:37 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject)
References: <62526.205.201.10.98.1153870454.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6b1ce$1d20b560$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v>

You have to be very careful witrh Yeats' great piece of windbag rhetoric,
Richard, as well, I might add, with the theatrics of the Book of
Revelations. Yeats' poem came to prominence through widespread
misapphrension of what he was 'talking' about: 'the best lack all
conviction/ while the worst are full of a passionate intensity' was widely
seen as the Prophet Yeats predicting the rise of Nazism, as was that rough
beast. He meant nothing of the sort, as the little cryptic note to the poem
in his Collected implies. The best were his extremely dodgy fringe fascisti
friends in the little green island, the worst were people who were in favour
of council houses in England having baths because everyone knew that the
working classes would use their baths to store coal in, I'm not of the camp
who think Yeats was a full-blown facist, but he was friendly with the devil,
and he was a pathetic fantasing arrogant snob, but a great poet, his first,
and authorised, biography by the Nazi sympathiser Joseph Hone (pub. 1941, of
all years) when the little green government was covertly sympathising with
Hitler and the IRA were planting bombs in Coventry (of all places) weasly
implies all.

Mecury, that god of communication, was very definitely retrograde in the
reception of Yeats's admitedly powerful rhetoric, as is that defunct by then
already in the delirium of St Revelation John.

All the Best

Dave


----- Original Message -----
From: <elemenope at icubed.com>
To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:34 AM
Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject)


> (Taken from correspondence outside this list, but the content is
> immediatly apparent to interested parties.
>
> R.D.)
>
>
>
> And Mercury is retrograde until the 28th.  Lots of Mercury retro glitches
> in my video work.
>
> I'm writing on Tuesday.  I may be going up to Chatauqua, N.Y. on Thursday.
>
> I've been busy evaluating the question: Is Terra undergoing WWW IV?  (USSR
> vs. USA Cold War being WWW III.)  If so, is this the Battle of Armageddon
> as predicted in "The Book of Revelations," or the prophecy W.B. Yeats saw
> in his poem, "The Second Coming."
>
> A "gyre" is a funnel shaped, spring-like pattern Yeats used to measure the
> ages of 2000 years that mark the Great Astrological Cycle of 24,000 years.
>   The falcon and the Falconer point to the relationship of man's control
> over the ferocity of animal will and mind; also, consider the fact that
> the Arabs are associated with falconry. The term, "Spiritus Mundi," means
> the Collective Unconsciousness of Deepest Dream Archetypes, or the Akashik
> Records.  I quote from memory:
>
> THE SECOND COMING
>
> Turning and turning in the ever widening gyre,
> The falcon cannot hear the falconer,
> Things fall apart, the center cannot hold
> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the earth,
> Everywhere the blood dimmed tide is loosed.
> And the ceremony of innocence is drowned.
> The best lack all conviction,
> While the worst are filled with passionate intensity.
> Surely some revelation is at hand.
> Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
> The Second Coming! No sooner are those words out,
> When a vast image out of the Spiritus Mundi
> Arises to trouble my sight.
> Somewhere in sands of desert
> A shape with body of lion and head of a man
> Is moving its slow thighs
> While all about it screech the indignant cries
> Of desert birds.  The darkness drops again.
> But now I know that twenty centuries of stony sleep,
> Where vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
> And what rough beast?  Its hour come round at last,
> Slouches towards Bethelem to be born.
>
> (Circa 1921)
>
>
>
> > I'm going to call you.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: WE WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN IN OUR LIFETIME
> >
> >
> >> Remember the mechanically physical effects of Mercury Retrograde as
> >> Mercury stopped stationary, retreated backwards, stopped, and then went
> >> back over the path it had just traced.  Remember the analogy of a boat
> >> and
> >> its wake.
> >>
> >> Now consider the current planetary crisis.  What is Mars doing?  And
> >> what
> >> is Mars in mythology?  Mars (Roman), Ares (Greek), the GAWD OV WAR!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         We will never see this again in our lifetime
> >>>
> >>>               ...nor will the people of the next 50-to-1,000 Life
> >>> Times!
> >>>               Mars
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>               The Red Planet is about to be spectacular!
> >>>
> >>>               This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in
an
> >>> encounter that
> >>>               will culminate in the closest  approach between the two
> >>> planets in
> >>>               recorded  history. The next time Mars may come this
close
> >>> is
> >>>               in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
> >>>               Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
> >>>               certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
> >>>               in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
> >>>               60,000 years before it happens again.
> >>>
> >>>               The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
> >>>               Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
> >>>               will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
> >>>               the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9
> >>>               and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest
> >>>               75-power magnification...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>               Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked
> >>> eye.
> >>>
> >>>               Mars will be easy to spot. At the
> >>>               beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m.
> >>>               and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.
> >>>
> >>>               By the end of August when the two planets are
> >>>               closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
> >>>               highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That's pretty
> >>>               convenient to see something that no human being has
> >>>               seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
> >>>               the beginning of August to see Mars grow
> >>>               progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
> >>>               month.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>               Share this with your children and grandchildren.
> >>>
> >>>               NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New-Poetry mailing list
> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry



From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul 27 19:12:26 2006
From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:12:26 +0100
Subject: Correction (retrograde example of) Re: [New-Poetry] (no subject)
References: <62526.205.201.10.98.1153870454.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com>
	<000701c6b1ce$1d20b560$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v>
Message-ID: <000f01c6b1d2$21721150$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v>

>as is that defunct by then
> already in the delirium of St Revelation John.

'god', in the lower-case, has been typographically omitted from my closing:
should be:

as is that defunct by then +god+
> already in the delirium of St Revelation John.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bircumshaw" <david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com>
To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views"
<new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] (no subject)


> You have to be very careful witrh Yeats' great piece of windbag rhetoric,
> Richard, as well, I might add, with the theatrics of the Book of
> Revelations. Yeats' poem came to prominence through widespread
> misapphrension of what he was 'talking' about: 'the best lack all
> conviction/ while the worst are full of a passionate intensity' was widely
> seen as the Prophet Yeats predicting the rise of Nazism, as was that rough
> beast. He meant nothing of the sort, as the little cryptic note to the
poem
> in his Collected implies. The best were his extremely dodgy fringe
fascisti
> friends in the little green island, the worst were people who were in
favour
> of council houses in England having baths because everyone knew that the
> working classes would use their baths to store coal in, I'm not of the
camp
> who think Yeats was a full-blown facist, but he was friendly with the
devil,
> and he was a pathetic fantasing arrogant snob, but a great poet, his
first,
> and authorised, biography by the Nazi sympathiser Joseph Hone (pub. 1941,
of
> all years) when the little green government was covertly sympathising with
> Hitler and the IRA were planting bombs in Coventry (of all places) weasly
> implies all.
>
> Mecury, that god of communication, was very definitely retrograde in the
> reception of Yeats's admitedly powerful rhetoric, as is that defunct by
then
> already in the delirium of St Revelation John.
>
> All the Best
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <elemenope at icubed.com>
> To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:34 AM
> Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject)
>
>
> > (Taken from correspondence outside this list, but the content is
> > immediatly apparent to interested parties.
> >
> > R.D.)
> >
> >
> >
> > And Mercury is retrograde until the 28th.  Lots of Mercury retro
glitches
> > in my video work.
> >
> > I'm writing on Tuesday.  I may be going up to Chatauqua, N.Y. on
Thursday.
> >
> > I've been busy evaluating the question: Is Terra undergoing WWW IV?
(USSR
> > vs. USA Cold War being WWW III.)  If so, is this the Battle of
Armageddon
> > as predicted in "The Book of Revelations," or the prophecy W.B. Yeats
saw
> > in his poem, "The Second Coming."
> >
> > A "gyre" is a funnel shaped, spring-like pattern Yeats used to measure
the
> > ages of 2000 years that mark the Great Astrological Cycle of 24,000
years.
> >   The falcon and the Falconer point to the relationship of man's control
> > over the ferocity of animal will and mind; also, consider the fact that
> > the Arabs are associated with falconry. The term, "Spiritus Mundi,"
means
> > the Collective Unconsciousness of Deepest Dream Archetypes, or the
Akashik
> > Records.  I quote from memory:
> >
> > THE SECOND COMING
> >
> > Turning and turning in the ever widening gyre,
> > The falcon cannot hear the falconer,
> > Things fall apart, the center cannot hold
> > Mere anarchy is loosed upon the earth,
> > Everywhere the blood dimmed tide is loosed.
> > And the ceremony of innocence is drowned.
> > The best lack all conviction,
> > While the worst are filled with passionate intensity.
> > Surely some revelation is at hand.
> > Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
> > The Second Coming! No sooner are those words out,
> > When a vast image out of the Spiritus Mundi
> > Arises to trouble my sight.
> > Somewhere in sands of desert
> > A shape with body of lion and head of a man
> > Is moving its slow thighs
> > While all about it screech the indignant cries
> > Of desert birds.  The darkness drops again.
> > But now I know that twenty centuries of stony sleep,
> > Where vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
> > And what rough beast?  Its hour come round at last,
> > Slouches towards Bethelem to be born.
> >
> > (Circa 1921)
> >
> >
> >
> > > I'm going to call you.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: WE WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN IN OUR LIFETIME
> > >
> > >
> > >> Remember the mechanically physical effects of Mercury Retrograde as
> > >> Mercury stopped stationary, retreated backwards, stopped, and then
went
> > >> back over the path it had just traced.  Remember the analogy of a
boat
> > >> and
> > >> its wake.
> > >>
> > >> Now consider the current planetary crisis.  What is Mars doing?  And
> > >> what
> > >> is Mars in mythology?  Mars (Roman), Ares (Greek), the GAWD OV WAR!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>         We will never see this again in our lifetime
> > >>>
> > >>>               ...nor will the people of the next 50-to-1,000 Life
> > >>> Times!
> > >>>               Mars
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>               The Red Planet is about to be spectacular!
> > >>>
> > >>>               This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in
> an
> > >>> encounter that
> > >>>               will culminate in the closest  approach between the
two
> > >>> planets in
> > >>>               recorded  history. The next time Mars may come this
> close
> > >>> is
> > >>>               in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
> > >>>               Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
> > >>>               certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
> > >>>               in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
> > >>>               60,000 years before it happens again.
> > >>>
> > >>>               The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
> > >>>               Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
> > >>>               will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
> > >>>               the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9
> > >>>               and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest
> > >>>               75-power magnification...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>               Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked
> > >>> eye.
> > >>>
> > >>>               Mars will be easy to spot. At the
> > >>>               beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m.
> > >>>               and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.
> > >>>
> > >>>               By the end of August when the two planets are
> > >>>               closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
> > >>>               highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That's pretty
> > >>>               convenient to see something that no human being has
> > >>>               seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
> > >>>               the beginning of August to see Mars grow
> > >>>               progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
> > >>>               month.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>               Share this with your children and grandchildren.
> > >>>
> > >>>               NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
>
> _______________________________________________
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From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul 27 19:40:09 2006
From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:40:09 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] BESTEST CITY FOR POETRY
References: <BAY106-DAV1287B37E894EEF2FB32D04D9630@phx.gbl><24FCA886-961B-4E63-90AB-631C8E9508EA@earthlink.net>
	<004201c6aaf0$f4ef6340$cfaa3852@ANNY>
Message-ID: <008901c6b1d6$00c2c540$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v>

This is interesting, Anny. I have an abiding memory of Lisboa as the place I never went to: this was in the late 80's and the train from Madrid used to seperate somewhere around the Andalusian border, I don't recall exactly where, one bit going to Lisbon the other to Malaga or Seville etc. We always took the Spanish option.

best

Dave 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anny Ballardini 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BESTEST CITY FOR POETRY


  I think I agree, think of Lisbon (Lisboa) and Pessoa. I went there to see it just because of the poet and whatever I saw (filthiness / religious fanaticism acting through obscure Catholicism / such) just brought me back to the poet, to how he transformed it or how it resonated in him. 
  Only the new Arts Center (new several years ago), spectacular indeed, brought me to a different dimension.

    From: Halvard Johnson 
    &amp;Views 
    Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:53 AM



    Any city a poet finds him/herself in. 


    Hal


    "A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
     suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
     how dearly we must pay for the invention of
     speech."
    --E. M. Cioran


    Halvard Johnson
    ================
    halvard at gmail.com
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From gmguddi at ilstu.edu  Fri Jul 28 11:58:12 2006
From: gmguddi at ilstu.edu (Gabriel Gudding)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:58:12 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] praising juliana spahr
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Fri Jul 28 12:52:39 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:52:39 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] BESTEST CITY FOR POETRY
References: <BAY106-DAV1287B37E894EEF2FB32D04D9630@phx.gbl><24FCA886-961B-4E63-90AB-631C8E9508EA@earthlink.net><004201c6aaf0$f4ef6340$cfaa3852@ANNY>
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You know Dave,

I first saw Lisbon onboard the Eugenio Costa, the Admiral ship, from the Atlantic Ocean when coming back to Europe and about 20 something of age, this tiniest couple of houses swept by an inclement wind, barren hilly land /from the Ocean earth seems just limited and precarious, and I wished to get back. It happened in 1998 or around that date, and especially to look for Pessoa, 
what I can add to my previous message is that they built and built along the coast, or at least this my impression, and the loneliness of Lisbon I first felt so intensely is not there any more to be found again,
a pity.

  From: David Bircumshaw 
  Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:40 AM


  This is interesting, Anny. I have an abiding memory of Lisboa as the place I never went to: this was in the late 80's and the train from Madrid used to seperate somewhere around the Andalusian border, I don't recall exactly where, one bit going to Lisbon the other to Malaga or Seville etc. We always took the Spanish option.

  best

  Dave 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Anny Ballardini 
    To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
    Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:05 AM
    Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BESTEST CITY FOR POETRY


    I think I agree, think of Lisbon (Lisboa) and Pessoa. I went there to see it just because of the poet and whatever I saw (filthiness / religious fanaticism acting through obscure Catholicism / such) just brought me back to the poet, to how he transformed it or how it resonated in him. 
    Only the new Arts Center (new several years ago), spectacular indeed, brought me to a different dimension.

      From: Halvard Johnson 
      &amp;Views 
      Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:53 AM



      Any city a poet finds him/herself in. 


      Hal


      "A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
       suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
       how dearly we must pay for the invention of
       speech."
      --E. M. Cioran


      Halvard Johnson
      ================
      halvard at gmail.com
      halvard at earthlink.net
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      http://entropyandme.blogspot.com 
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From elemenope at icubed.com  Fri Jul 28 18:10:58 2006
From: elemenope at icubed.com (elemenope at icubed.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:10:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Mercury Retrograde War of Glitched Worlds
In-Reply-To: <200607281600.k6SG0574025005@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
References: <200607281600.k6SG0574025005@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
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Well.

You aren't implying that Yeats would be riding today with Craze Eyed
Professor Makmadinijad?   Do you construe Yeats' aristocratic idealism
with any of the virulent fascisms Churchill foresaw as coming to afflict
the Earth, including the current ultra potent Wahhabi strain?

Richard




> You have to be very careful witrh Yeats' great piece of windbag rhetoric,
> Richard, as well, I might add, with the theatrics of the Book of
> Revelations. Yeats' poem came to prominence through widespread
> misapphrension of what he was 'talking' about: 'the best lack all
> conviction/ while the worst are full of a passionate intensity' was widely
> seen as the Prophet Yeats predicting the rise of Nazism, as was that rough
> beast. He meant nothing of the sort, as the little cryptic note to the
> poem
> in his Collected implies. The best were his extremely dodgy fringe
> fascisti
> friends in the little green island, the worst were people who were in
> favour
> of council houses in England having baths because everyone knew that the
> working classes would use their baths to store coal in, I'm not of the
> camp
> who think Yeats was a full-blown facist, but he was friendly with the
> devil,
> and he was a pathetic fantasing arrogant snob, but a great poet, his
> first,
> and authorised, biography by the Nazi sympathiser Joseph Hone (pub. 1941,
> of
> all years) when the little green government was covertly sympathising with
> Hitler and the IRA were planting bombs in Coventry (of all places) weasly
> implies all.
>
> Mecury, that god of communication, was very definitely retrograde in the
> reception of Yeats's admitedly powerful rhetoric, as is that defunct by
> then
> already in the delirium of St Revelation John.
>
> All the Best
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <elemenope at icubed.com>
> To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:34 AM
> Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject)
>
>
>> (Taken from correspondence outside this list, but the content is
>> immediatly apparent to interested parties.
>>
>> R.D.)
>>
>>
>>
>> And Mercury is retrograde until the 28th.  Lots of Mercury retro
>> glitches
>> in my video work.
>>
>> I'm writing on Tuesday.  I may be going up to Chatauqua, N.Y. on
>> Thursday.
>>
>> I've been busy evaluating the question: Is Terra undergoing WWW IV?
>> (USSR
>> vs. USA Cold War being WWW III.)  If so, is this the Battle of
>> Armageddon
>> as predicted in "The Book of Revelations," or the prophecy W.B. Yeats
>> saw
>> in his poem, "The Second Coming."
>>
>> A "gyre" is a funnel shaped, spring-like pattern Yeats used to measure
>> the
>> ages of 2000 years that mark the Great Astrological Cycle of 24,000
>> years.
>>   The falcon and the Falconer point to the relationship of man's control
>> over the ferocity of animal will and mind; also, consider the fact that
>> the Arabs are associated with falconry. The term, "Spiritus Mundi,"
>> means
>> the Collective Unconsciousness of Deepest Dream Archetypes, or the
>> Akashik
>> Records.  I quote from memory:
>>
>> THE SECOND COMING
>>
>> Turning and turning in the ever widening gyre,
>> The falcon cannot hear the falconer,
>> Things fall apart, the center cannot hold
>> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the earth,
>> Everywhere the blood dimmed tide is loosed.
>> And the ceremony of innocence is drowned.
>> The best lack all conviction,
>> While the worst are filled with passionate intensity.
>> Surely some revelation is at hand.
>> Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
>> The Second Coming! No sooner are those words out,
>> When a vast image out of the Spiritus Mundi
>> Arises to trouble my sight.
>> Somewhere in sands of desert
>> A shape with body of lion and head of a man
>> Is moving its slow thighs
>> While all about it screech the indignant cries
>> Of desert birds.  The darkness drops again.
>> But now I know that twenty centuries of stony sleep,
>> Where vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
>> And what rough beast?  Its hour come round at last,
>> Slouches towards Bethelem to be born.
>>
>> (Circa 1921)
>>
>>
>>
>> > I'm going to call you.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:30 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: WE WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN IN OUR LIFETIME
>> >
>> >
>> >> Remember the mechanically physical effects of Mercury Retrograde as
>> >> Mercury stopped stationary, retreated backwards, stopped, and then
>> went
>> >> back over the path it had just traced.  Remember the analogy of a
>> boat
>> >> and
>> >> its wake.
>> >>
>> >> Now consider the current planetary crisis.  What is Mars doing?  And
>> >> what
>> >> is Mars in mythology?  Mars (Roman), Ares (Greek), the GAWD OV WAR!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>         We will never see this again in our lifetime
>> >>>
>> >>>               ...nor will the people of the next 50-to-1,000 Life
>> >>> Times!
>> >>>               Mars
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>               The Red Planet is about to be spectacular!
>> >>>
>> >>>               This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in
> an
>> >>> encounter that
>> >>>               will culminate in the closest  approach between the
>> two
>> >>> planets in
>> >>>               recorded  history. The next time Mars may come this
> close
>> >>> is
>> >>>               in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
>> >>>               Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
>> >>>               certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
>> >>>               in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
>> >>>               60,000 years before it happens again.
>> >>>
>> >>>               The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
>> >>>               Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
>> >>>               will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
>> >>>               the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9
>> >>>               and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest
>> >>>               75-power magnification...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>               Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked
>> >>> eye.
>> >>>
>> >>>               Mars will be easy to spot. At the
>> >>>               beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m.
>> >>>               and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.
>> >>>
>> >>>               By the end of August when the two planets are
>> >>>               closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
>> >>>               highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That's pretty
>> >>>               convenient to see something that no human being has
>> >>>               seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
>> >>>               the beginning of August to see Mars grow
>> >>>               progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
>> >>>               month.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>               Share this with your children and grandchildren.
>> >>>
>> >>>               NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN




From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com  Fri Jul 28 18:43:57 2006
From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:43:57 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Mercury Retrograde War of Glitched Worlds
References: <200607281600.k6SG0574025005@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
	<4280.71.240.120.66.1154124658.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c6b297$5215e410$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v>

I'd say, Richard, that I construe Yeats' kitsch aristocratic idealism, so
beautifully and musically and divorced from anything resembling reality
conveyed 'In Memory of Major Robert Gregory', as a victory for rhetoric over
poetry.
In a very strange way I can actually find myself agreeing with the Little
Englander Philip Larkin in this: his statements of shock at realising what
Yeats was really saying in his poems, and his rejection of his former idol,
are well documented.
I'm not too sure about relating Yeats to contemporary politics though.
John Berryman's section about Yeats in The Dream Songs is quite interesting,
I recall.

Best

Dave


----- Original Message -----
From: <elemenope at icubed.com>
To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:10 PM
Subject: [New-Poetry] Mercury Retrograde War of Glitched Worlds


> Well.
>
> You aren't implying that Yeats would be riding today with Craze Eyed
> Professor Makmadinijad?   Do you construe Yeats' aristocratic idealism
> with any of the virulent fascisms Churchill foresaw as coming to afflict
> the Earth, including the current ultra potent Wahhabi strain?
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> > You have to be very careful witrh Yeats' great piece of windbag
rhetoric,
> > Richard, as well, I might add, with the theatrics of the Book of
> > Revelations. Yeats' poem came to prominence through widespread
> > misapphrension of what he was 'talking' about: 'the best lack all
> > conviction/ while the worst are full of a passionate intensity' was
widely
> > seen as the Prophet Yeats predicting the rise of Nazism, as was that
rough
> > beast. He meant nothing of the sort, as the little cryptic note to the
> > poem
> > in his Collected implies. The best were his extremely dodgy fringe
> > fascisti
> > friends in the little green island, the worst were people who were in
> > favour
> > of council houses in England having baths because everyone knew that the
> > working classes would use their baths to store coal in, I'm not of the
> > camp
> > who think Yeats was a full-blown facist, but he was friendly with the
> > devil,
> > and he was a pathetic fantasing arrogant snob, but a great poet, his
> > first,
> > and authorised, biography by the Nazi sympathiser Joseph Hone (pub.
1941,
> > of
> > all years) when the little green government was covertly sympathising
with
> > Hitler and the IRA were planting bombs in Coventry (of all places)
weasly
> > implies all.
> >
> > Mecury, that god of communication, was very definitely retrograde in the
> > reception of Yeats's admitedly powerful rhetoric, as is that defunct by
> > then
> > already in the delirium of St Revelation John.
> >
> > All the Best
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <elemenope at icubed.com>
> > To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:34 AM
> > Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject)
> >
> >
> >> (Taken from correspondence outside this list, but the content is
> >> immediatly apparent to interested parties.
> >>
> >> R.D.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And Mercury is retrograde until the 28th.  Lots of Mercury retro
> >> glitches
> >> in my video work.
> >>
> >> I'm writing on Tuesday.  I may be going up to Chatauqua, N.Y. on
> >> Thursday.
> >>
> >> I've been busy evaluating the question: Is Terra undergoing WWW IV?
> >> (USSR
> >> vs. USA Cold War being WWW III.)  If so, is this the Battle of
> >> Armageddon
> >> as predicted in "The Book of Revelations," or the prophecy W.B. Yeats
> >> saw
> >> in his poem, "The Second Coming."
> >>
> >> A "gyre" is a funnel shaped, spring-like pattern Yeats used to measure
> >> the
> >> ages of 2000 years that mark the Great Astrological Cycle of 24,000
> >> years.
> >>   The falcon and the Falconer point to the relationship of man's
control
> >> over the ferocity of animal will and mind; also, consider the fact that
> >> the Arabs are associated with falconry. The term, "Spiritus Mundi,"
> >> means
> >> the Collective Unconsciousness of Deepest Dream Archetypes, or the
> >> Akashik
> >> Records.  I quote from memory:
> >>
> >> THE SECOND COMING
> >>
> >> Turning and turning in the ever widening gyre,
> >> The falcon cannot hear the falconer,
> >> Things fall apart, the center cannot hold
> >> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the earth,
> >> Everywhere the blood dimmed tide is loosed.
> >> And the ceremony of innocence is drowned.
> >> The best lack all conviction,
> >> While the worst are filled with passionate intensity.
> >> Surely some revelation is at hand.
> >> Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
> >> The Second Coming! No sooner are those words out,
> >> When a vast image out of the Spiritus Mundi
> >> Arises to trouble my sight.
> >> Somewhere in sands of desert
> >> A shape with body of lion and head of a man
> >> Is moving its slow thighs
> >> While all about it screech the indignant cries
> >> Of desert birds.  The darkness drops again.
> >> But now I know that twenty centuries of stony sleep,
> >> Where vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
> >> And what rough beast?  Its hour come round at last,
> >> Slouches towards Bethelem to be born.
> >>
> >> (Circa 1921)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > I'm going to call you.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:30 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: WE WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN IN OUR LIFETIME
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Remember the mechanically physical effects of Mercury Retrograde as
> >> >> Mercury stopped stationary, retreated backwards, stopped, and then
> >> went
> >> >> back over the path it had just traced.  Remember the analogy of a
> >> boat
> >> >> and
> >> >> its wake.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now consider the current planetary crisis.  What is Mars doing?  And
> >> >> what
> >> >> is Mars in mythology?  Mars (Roman), Ares (Greek), the GAWD OV WAR!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>         We will never see this again in our lifetime
> >> >>>
> >> >>>               ...nor will the people of the next 50-to-1,000 Life
> >> >>> Times!
> >> >>>               Mars
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>               The Red Planet is about to be spectacular!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>               This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars
in
> > an
> >> >>> encounter that
> >> >>>               will culminate in the closest  approach between the
> >> two
> >> >>> planets in
> >> >>>               recorded  history. The next time Mars may come this
> > close
> >> >>> is
> >> >>>               in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
> >> >>>               Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
> >> >>>               certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
> >> >>>               in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
> >> >>>               60,000 years before it happens again.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>               The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
> >> >>>               Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
> >> >>>               will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
> >> >>>               the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9
> >> >>>               and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest
> >> >>>               75-power magnification...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>               Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked
> >> >>> eye.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>               Mars will be easy to spot. At the
> >> >>>               beginning of August it will rise in the east at
10p.m.
> >> >>>               and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>               By the end of August when the two planets are
> >> >>>               closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
> >> >>>               highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That's pretty
> >> >>>               convenient to see something that no human being has
> >> >>>               seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
> >> >>>               the beginning of August to see Mars grow
> >> >>>               progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
> >> >>>               month.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>               Share this with your children and grandchildren.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>               NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN
>
>
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From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com  Fri Jul 28 21:05:32 2006
From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:05:32 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] BESTEST CITY FOR POETRY
References: <BAY106-DAV1287B37E894EEF2FB32D04D9630@phx.gbl><24FCA886-961B-4E63-90AB-631C8E9508EA@earthlink.net><004201c6aaf0$f4ef6340$cfaa3852@ANNY><008901c6b1d6$00c2c540$e3c60556@rayuv8pcloxi9v>
	<002901c6b266$3c8cb320$0fa93252@ANNY>
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Anny

I like, or 'get', your association of Lisboa and loneliness. Its that long sea that stretches from it. I recall, on a totally different earthy angle, hearing the long wail of the horn on an Australian long-distance train hauling out of Melbourne, the miles and miles of it that carried in its sound.
The Portuguese have that word, 'saudade' (sp?) is it not?

best

Dave


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anny Ballardini 
  To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
  Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BESTEST CITY FOR POETRY


  You know Dave,

  I first saw Lisbon onboard the Eugenio Costa, the Admiral ship, from the Atlantic Ocean when coming back to Europe and about 20 something of age, this tiniest couple of houses swept by an inclement wind, barren hilly land /from the Ocean earth seems just limited and precarious, and I wished to get back. It happened in 1998 or around that date, and especially to look for Pessoa, 
  what I can add to my previous message is that they built and built along the coast, or at least this my impression, and the loneliness of Lisbon I first felt so intensely is not there any more to be found again,
  a pity.

    From: David Bircumshaw 
    Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:40 AM


    This is interesting, Anny. I have an abiding memory of Lisboa as the place I never went to: this was in the late 80's and the train from Madrid used to seperate somewhere around the Andalusian border, I don't recall exactly where, one bit going to Lisbon the other to Malaga or Seville etc. We always took the Spanish option.

    best

    Dave 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Anny Ballardini 
      To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;Views 
      Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:05 AM
      Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] BESTEST CITY FOR POETRY


      I think I agree, think of Lisbon (Lisboa) and Pessoa. I went there to see it just because of the poet and whatever I saw (filthiness / religious fanaticism acting through obscure Catholicism / such) just brought me back to the poet, to how he transformed it or how it resonated in him. 
      Only the new Arts Center (new several years ago), spectacular indeed, brought me to a different dimension.

        From: Halvard Johnson 
        &amp;Views 
        Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:53 AM



        Any city a poet finds him/herself in. 


        Hal


        "A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
         suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
         how dearly we must pay for the invention of
         speech."
        --E. M. Cioran


        Halvard Johnson
        ================
        halvard at gmail.com
        halvard at earthlink.net
        http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
        http://entropyandme.blogspot.com 
        http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
        http://www.hamiltonstone.org



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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sat Jul 29 10:37:22 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:37:22 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] sharing
Message-ID: <001d01c6b31c$81221af0$09af3452@ANNY>

some good news!

In RI by Henry Gould, a book-length poem on early New England history and the founding of Rhode Island is available in a bilingual edition (English-Italian), translation by Anny Ballardini on lulu.com:

http://www.lulu.com/content/377598

:-)


Anny Ballardini
http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
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From halvard at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 29 11:56:38 2006
From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:56:38 -0500
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fyrp:  RIP Dika Newlin
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> July 28, 2006
>
> Dika Newlin, 82, Punk-Rock Schoenberg Expert, Dies
>
> By DOUGLAS MARTIN
> Dika Newlin, who composed a symphony at 11, became a distinguished  
> composer and musicologist and emerged, in her 70?s and 80?s, as a  
> most unlikely punk rocker, died on July 22 in Richmond, Va. She was  
> 82.
>
> The cause was complications of a broken arm she suffered on June  
> 30, said Sabine Feisst, a professor of musicology at Arizona State  
> University who is writing a book on Dr. Newlin.
>
> ?It is hard to find out about me because I?m involved in so many  
> different things,? Dr. Newlin said in an interview with The  
> Richmond Times-Dispatch in 1996. One continuing thread: she was a  
> professor at various universities, until her retirement from  
> Virginia Commonwealth University two years ago.
>
> Her latest incarnation was as leather-clad, bright-orange-haired  
> punk rocker and occasional Elvis impersonator, belting out songs  
> like ?Love Songs for People Who Hate Each Other,? which she wrote  
> herself. Her flamboyant image was not exactly dulled when she posed  
> in her 70?s for a pinup calendar.
>
> Dr. Newlin?s earlier prominence grew out of her studies as a  
> teenager with the composer Arnold Schoenberg. Dr. Newlin, among the  
> last surviving pupils of Schoenberg, wrote the entry on him for the  
> Encyclopaedia Britannica.
>
> Dr. Feisst called Dr. Newlin ?one of the pioneers of Schoenberg  
> research in America.? Dr. Newlin?s doctoral dissertation was  
> published as the book ?Bruckner, Mahler, Schoenberg? (1947, 1968).  
> She also translated Schoenberg?s works from German to English, and  
> her publication of diaries she kept as his student provide some of  
> the most intimate glimpses of him.
>
> Dr. Newlin?s own compositions reflect Schoenberg?s innovative  
> approach. Those works include three operas, a chamber symphony, a  
> piano concerto and numerous chamber, vocal and mixed-media works.  
> In 1999, she sang in a costumed performance of Schoenberg?s  
> ?Pierrot Lunaire,? in her own English translation, in Lubbock, Tex.
>
> In her punk incarnation, Dr. Newlin appeared in horror movies  
> produced by Michael D. Moore in Richmond. In ?Creep? (1995),  
> directed by Tim Ritter, her character, clad in a leather motorcycle  
> jacket, poisons baby food on a supermarket shelf.
>
> Dr. Feisst confessed to finding this sort of thing ?puzzling and  
> disturbing? but said she came to view it as ?all part of the package.?
>
> Mr. Moore also directed ?Dika: Murder City?? (1995), a documentary  
> about Dr. Newlin.
>
> Dika Newlin, an only child, was born in Portland, Ore., on Nov. 22,  
> 1923. Her name, chosen by her mother, refers to an Amazon in one of  
> Sappho?s poems.
>
> Her parents, both academics, soon moved to East Lansing, Mich., to  
> teach at what is now Michigan State University. Dika could read  
> dictionaries at 3, played the piano at 6 and began composing at 7.
>
> She entered grade school at 5 and finished at 8. At 11, she wrote a  
> symphonic piece, ?Cradle Song.? Three years later, it was performed  
> by the Cincinnati Symphony, with Vladimir Bakaleinikoff conducting.
>
> She finished high school at 12 and was accepted as a college  
> student by Michigan State, where, The New York Herald Tribune said  
> in 1939, she had the highest I.Q. score in the school?s history. At  
> the time of the article, she was in New York to hear one of her  
> compositions performed at the World?s Fair.
>
> After graduating from Michigan State at 16, she settled with her  
> mother in Los Angeles so that she could attend the University of  
> California at Los Angeles and study with Schoenberg, who taught  
> there. She kept a diary, which she published as a book, ?Schoenberg  
> Remembered: Diaries and Recollections (1938-76),? in 1980.
>
> Reviewing the book in The New York Times Book Review, Joan Peyser  
> marveled at its ?absolute ingenuousness,? saying Dr. Newlin seemed  
> to have censored nothing.
>
> In one entry, she tells how Schoenberg, an Austrian ?migr? she  
> called Uncle Arnold, criticized her string-quartet style as ?too  
> pianistic.? She replied that she knew it wasn?t the best writing.  
> The entry continues, ?He replied, ?No, it is not the best, nor even  
> the second best ? perhaps the 50th best, yes?? ?
>
> She earned her doctorate in musicology from Columbia at 22. She  
> studied piano with Artur Schnabel and Rudolf Serkin and made a half- 
> dozen piano recordings in the United States and Europe. Many years  
> later, in 2004, some of her punk numbers were released on an album  
> called ?Ageless Icon: The Greatest Hits of Dika Newlin.?
>
> Dr. Newlin, who never married, leaves no immediate family members.  
> She has a surviving cousin and was close to her cat, Spot. She once  
> kept eight or more cats. Reporters noted that she slept on a  
> mattress on the floor with a medieval suit of armor dangling above.
>
> She told The Richmond Times-Dispatch that she had always wanted to  
> have a rock band, and hers surely carried her own brand. Who but  
> Dr. Newlin could have taken the text Schoenberg used for the fourth  
> movement of his second string quartet to use as punk lyrics for  
> ?Alien Baby??
>
> ?I feel like a child more than I did as a child,? she said in an  
> interview with People magazine in 2003. ?I try more and more to  
> live day by day, to do something because it feels good.?
>
> =====
>
> "A sudden silence in the middle of a conversation
>  suddenly brings us back to essentials: it reveals
>  how dearly we must pay for the invention of
>  speech."
> 			--E. M. Cioran
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> halvard at gmail.com
> halvard at earthlink.net
> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> http://www.hamiltonstone.org
>

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From hruggier at localnet.com  Sat Jul 29 12:23:10 2006
From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:23:10 -0400
Subject: [New-Poetry] Mercury Retrograde War of Glitched Worlds
References: <200607281600.k6SG0574025005@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
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Next to bobble head George Washington and Abraham Lincoln dolls advertising 
Presidents'Day sales,
I get annoyed with those windbags who accuse  other poets of "windbag 
rhetoric."
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <elemenope at icubed.com>
To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: [New-Poetry] Mercury Retrograde War of Glitched Worlds


> Well.
>
> You aren't implying that Yeats would be riding today with Craze Eyed
> Professor Makmadinijad?   Do you construe Yeats' aristocratic idealism
> with any of the virulent fascisms Churchill foresaw as coming to afflict
> the Earth, including the current ultra potent Wahhabi strain?
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>> You have to be very careful witrh Yeats' great piece of windbag rhetoric,
>> Richard, as well, I might add, with the theatrics of the Book of
>> Revelations. Yeats' poem came to prominence through widespread
>> misapphrension of what he was 'talking' about: 'the best lack all
>> conviction/ while the worst are full of a passionate intensity' was 
>> widely
>> seen as the Prophet Yeats predicting the rise of Nazism, as was that 
>> rough
>> beast. He meant nothing of the sort, as the little cryptic note to the
>> poem
>> in his Collected implies. The best were his extremely dodgy fringe
>> fascisti
>> friends in the little green island, the worst were people who were in
>> favour
>> of council houses in England having baths because everyone knew that the
>> working classes would use their baths to store coal in, I'm not of the
>> camp
>> who think Yeats was a full-blown facist, but he was friendly with the
>> devil,
>> and he was a pathetic fantasing arrogant snob, but a great poet, his
>> first,
>> and authorised, biography by the Nazi sympathiser Joseph Hone (pub. 1941,
>> of
>> all years) when the little green government was covertly sympathising 
>> with
>> Hitler and the IRA were planting bombs in Coventry (of all places) weasly
>> implies all.
>>
>> Mecury, that god of communication, was very definitely retrograde in the
>> reception of Yeats's admitedly powerful rhetoric, as is that defunct by
>> then
>> already in the delirium of St Revelation John.
>>
>> All the Best
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <elemenope at icubed.com>
>> To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:34 AM
>> Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject)
>>
>>
>>> (Taken from correspondence outside this list, but the content is
>>> immediatly apparent to interested parties.
>>>
>>> R.D.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And Mercury is retrograde until the 28th.  Lots of Mercury retro
>>> glitches
>>> in my video work.
>>>
>>> I'm writing on Tuesday.  I may be going up to Chatauqua, N.Y. on
>>> Thursday.
>>>
>>> I've been busy evaluating the question: Is Terra undergoing WWW IV?
>>> (USSR
>>> vs. USA Cold War being WWW III.)  If so, is this the Battle of
>>> Armageddon
>>> as predicted in "The Book of Revelations," or the prophecy W.B. Yeats
>>> saw
>>> in his poem, "The Second Coming."
>>>
>>> A "gyre" is a funnel shaped, spring-like pattern Yeats used to measure
>>> the
>>> ages of 2000 years that mark the Great Astrological Cycle of 24,000
>>> years.
>>>   The falcon and the Falconer point to the relationship of man's control
>>> over the ferocity of animal will and mind; also, consider the fact that
>>> the Arabs are associated with falconry. The term, "Spiritus Mundi,"
>>> means
>>> the Collective Unconsciousness of Deepest Dream Archetypes, or the
>>> Akashik
>>> Records.  I quote from memory:
>>>
>>> THE SECOND COMING
>>>
>>> Turning and turning in the ever widening gyre,
>>> The falcon cannot hear the falconer,
>>> Things fall apart, the center cannot hold
>>> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the earth,
>>> Everywhere the blood dimmed tide is loosed.
>>> And the ceremony of innocence is drowned.
>>> The best lack all conviction,
>>> While the worst are filled with passionate intensity.
>>> Surely some revelation is at hand.
>>> Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
>>> The Second Coming! No sooner are those words out,
>>> When a vast image out of the Spiritus Mundi
>>> Arises to trouble my sight.
>>> Somewhere in sands of desert
>>> A shape with body of lion and head of a man
>>> Is moving its slow thighs
>>> While all about it screech the indignant cries
>>> Of desert birds.  The darkness drops again.
>>> But now I know that twenty centuries of stony sleep,
>>> Where vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
>>> And what rough beast?  Its hour come round at last,
>>> Slouches towards Bethelem to be born.
>>>
>>> (Circa 1921)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > I'm going to call you.
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:30 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: WE WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN IN OUR LIFETIME
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Remember the mechanically physical effects of Mercury Retrograde as
>>> >> Mercury stopped stationary, retreated backwards, stopped, and then
>>> went
>>> >> back over the path it had just traced.  Remember the analogy of a
>>> boat
>>> >> and
>>> >> its wake.
>>> >>
>>> >> Now consider the current planetary crisis.  What is Mars doing?  And
>>> >> what
>>> >> is Mars in mythology?  Mars (Roman), Ares (Greek), the GAWD OV WAR!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>         We will never see this again in our lifetime
>>> >>>
>>> >>>               ...nor will the people of the next 50-to-1,000 Life
>>> >>> Times!
>>> >>>               Mars
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>               The Red Planet is about to be spectacular!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>               This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in
>> an
>>> >>> encounter that
>>> >>>               will culminate in the closest  approach between the
>>> two
>>> >>> planets in
>>> >>>               recorded  history. The next time Mars may come this
>> close
>>> >>> is
>>> >>>               in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
>>> >>>               Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
>>> >>>               certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
>>> >>>               in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
>>> >>>               60,000 years before it happens again.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>               The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
>>> >>>               Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
>>> >>>               will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
>>> >>>               the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9
>>> >>>               and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest
>>> >>>               75-power magnification...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>               Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked
>>> >>> eye.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>               Mars will be easy to spot. At the
>>> >>>               beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m.
>>> >>>               and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>               By the end of August when the two planets are
>>> >>>               closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
>>> >>>               highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That's pretty
>>> >>>               convenient to see something that no human being has
>>> >>>               seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
>>> >>>               the beginning of August to see Mars grow
>>> >>>               progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
>>> >>>               month.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>               Share this with your children and grandchildren.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>               NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN
>
>
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From ATambellini01 at aol.com  Sat Jul 29 12:47:57 2006
From: ATambellini01 at aol.com (ATambellini01 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:47:57 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] Fyrp:  RIP Dika Newlin
Message-ID: <2e5.b8205c8.31fceb3d@aol.com>

I have fond memories  Dr Newlin as my Music Appreciation professor at  
Syracuse university...my love for music and my knowledge of its beauty is owed  to 
such a special woman.  Aldo Tambellini
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From amyhappens at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 29 18:35:56 2006
From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:35:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] MiPOesias Reading @ Stain Bar - Williamsburg, Brooklyn
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Here is the latest reading.....from Brooklyn, NY.
   
  http://miporeadingseries.blogspot.com/2006/07/readers-from-july-28th.html
   
  If you are a MiPOesias/OCHO contributor and would like to read, contact Amy King and say something will ya?
   
  See you online....
   
  Didi Menendez and Amy King
  Menendez/King Publishing
  MiPOesias Magazine
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From rog3r.day at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 20:10:12 2006
From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 01:10:12 +0100
Subject: [New-Poetry] Mercury Retrograde War of Glitched Worlds
In-Reply-To: <002401c6b32b$49973610$bfdcf63f@Helen>
References: <200607281600.k6SG0574025005@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
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I get annoyed with poets who seem to ignore history.

Yeats as fascist is pretty much established fact. His support of the
blue-shirts is, well, less than honourable, and as small minded in
many ways as David is implying. There were better ways to Irish
nationalism than that. Hell, even the IRA opposed the blueshirts. If
you want to equate the blueshirts with "romantic nationalists" that's
up to you, however hadn't that battle been won? And ("Hail") O'Duffy
attended the 1934 International Fascist Movement so I'm guessing he
wanted to be in charge of something more than a walk around Grasmere.
But, given his success, he might as well have been. Still, it's a good
insult to throw at a Fine Gael politico if you've the mind.

So yes, if you believe Osama Bin Laden is some sort of romantic
nationalist, Yeats lines up with Al Qaeda in the current terms.
Really, quote Yeats without irony and you should report to your local
DHS office for a full body cavity search. Have *fun now, y'all.

Roger

On 29/07/06, Helen Ruggieri <hruggier at localnet.com> wrote:
> Next to bobble head George Washington and Abraham Lincoln dolls advertising
> Presidents'Day sales,
> I get annoyed with those windbags who accuse  other poets of "windbag
> rhetoric."
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <elemenope at icubed.com>
> To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 6:10 PM
> Subject: [New-Poetry] Mercury Retrograde War of Glitched Worlds
>
>
> > Well.
> >
> > You aren't implying that Yeats would be riding today with Craze Eyed
> > Professor Makmadinijad?   Do you construe Yeats' aristocratic idealism
> > with any of the virulent fascisms Churchill foresaw as coming to afflict
> > the Earth, including the current ultra potent Wahhabi strain?
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> You have to be very careful witrh Yeats' great piece of windbag rhetoric,
> >> Richard, as well, I might add, with the theatrics of the Book of
> >> Revelations. Yeats' poem came to prominence through widespread
> >> misapphrension of what he was 'talking' about: 'the best lack all
> >> conviction/ while the worst are full of a passionate intensity' was
> >> widely
> >> seen as the Prophet Yeats predicting the rise of Nazism, as was that
> >> rough
> >> beast. He meant nothing of the sort, as the little cryptic note to the
> >> poem
> >> in his Collected implies. The best were his extremely dodgy fringe
> >> fascisti
> >> friends in the little green island, the worst were people who were in
> >> favour
> >> of council houses in England having baths because everyone knew that the
> >> working classes would use their baths to store coal in, I'm not of the
> >> camp
> >> who think Yeats was a full-blown facist, but he was friendly with the
> >> devil,
> >> and he was a pathetic fantasing arrogant snob, but a great poet, his
> >> first,
> >> and authorised, biography by the Nazi sympathiser Joseph Hone (pub. 1941,
> >> of
> >> all years) when the little green government was covertly sympathising
> >> with
> >> Hitler and the IRA were planting bombs in Coventry (of all places) weasly
> >> implies all.
> >>
> >> Mecury, that god of communication, was very definitely retrograde in the
> >> reception of Yeats's admitedly powerful rhetoric, as is that defunct by
> >> then
> >> already in the delirium of St Revelation John.
> >>
> >> All the Best
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <elemenope at icubed.com>
> >> To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:34 AM
> >> Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject)
> >>
> >>
> >>> (Taken from correspondence outside this list, but the content is
> >>> immediatly apparent to interested parties.
> >>>
> >>> R.D.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And Mercury is retrograde until the 28th.  Lots of Mercury retro
> >>> glitches
> >>> in my video work.
> >>>
> >>> I'm writing on Tuesday.  I may be going up to Chatauqua, N.Y. on
> >>> Thursday.
> >>>
> >>> I've been busy evaluating the question: Is Terra undergoing WWW IV?
> >>> (USSR
> >>> vs. USA Cold War being WWW III.)  If so, is this the Battle of
> >>> Armageddon
> >>> as predicted in "The Book of Revelations," or the prophecy W.B. Yeats
> >>> saw
> >>> in his poem, "The Second Coming."
> >>>
> >>> A "gyre" is a funnel shaped, spring-like pattern Yeats used to measure
> >>> the
> >>> ages of 2000 years that mark the Great Astrological Cycle of 24,000
> >>> years.
> >>>   The falcon and the Falconer point to the relationship of man's control
> >>> over the ferocity of animal will and mind; also, consider the fact that
> >>> the Arabs are associated with falconry. The term, "Spiritus Mundi,"
> >>> means
> >>> the Collective Unconsciousness of Deepest Dream Archetypes, or the
> >>> Akashik
> >>> Records.  I quote from memory:
> >>>
> >>> THE SECOND COMING
> >>>
> >>> Turning and turning in the ever widening gyre,
> >>> The falcon cannot hear the falconer,
> >>> Things fall apart, the center cannot hold
> >>> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the earth,
> >>> Everywhere the blood dimmed tide is loosed.
> >>> And the ceremony of innocence is drowned.
> >>> The best lack all conviction,
> >>> While the worst are filled with passionate intensity.
> >>> Surely some revelation is at hand.
> >>> Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
> >>> The Second Coming! No sooner are those words out,
> >>> When a vast image out of the Spiritus Mundi
> >>> Arises to trouble my sight.
> >>> Somewhere in sands of desert
> >>> A shape with body of lion and head of a man
> >>> Is moving its slow thighs
> >>> While all about it screech the indignant cries
> >>> Of desert birds.  The darkness drops again.
> >>> But now I know that twenty centuries of stony sleep,
> >>> Where vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
> >>> And what rough beast?  Its hour come round at last,
> >>> Slouches towards Bethelem to be born.
> >>>
> >>> (Circa 1921)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > I'm going to call you.
> >>> >
> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:30 PM
> >>> > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: WE WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN IN OUR LIFETIME
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> Remember the mechanically physical effects of Mercury Retrograde as
> >>> >> Mercury stopped stationary, retreated backwards, stopped, and then
> >>> went
> >>> >> back over the path it had just traced.  Remember the analogy of a
> >>> boat
> >>> >> and
> >>> >> its wake.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Now consider the current planetary crisis.  What is Mars doing?  And
> >>> >> what
> >>> >> is Mars in mythology?  Mars (Roman), Ares (Greek), the GAWD OV WAR!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>         We will never see this again in our lifetime
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>               ...nor will the people of the next 50-to-1,000 Life
> >>> >>> Times!
> >>> >>>               Mars
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>               The Red Planet is about to be spectacular!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>               This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in
> >> an
> >>> >>> encounter that
> >>> >>>               will culminate in the closest  approach between the
> >>> two
> >>> >>> planets in
> >>> >>>               recorded  history. The next time Mars may come this
> >> close
> >>> >>> is
> >>> >>>               in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
> >>> >>>               Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
> >>> >>>               certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
> >>> >>>               in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
> >>> >>>               60,000 years before it happens again.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>               The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
> >>> >>>               Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
> >>> >>>               will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
> >>> >>>               the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9
> >>> >>>               and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest
> >>> >>>               75-power magnification...
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>               Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked
> >>> >>> eye.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>               Mars will be easy to spot. At the
> >>> >>>               beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m.
> >>> >>>               and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>               By the end of August when the two planets are
> >>> >>>               closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
> >>> >>>               highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That's pretty
> >>> >>>               convenient to see something that no human being has
> >>> >>>               seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
> >>> >>>               the beginning of August to see Mars grow
> >>> >>>               progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
> >>> >>>               month.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>               Share this with your children and grandchildren.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>               NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New-Poetry mailing list
> > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu
> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Jul 30 08:26:32 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:26:32 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] melancholia's tremulous dreadlocks issue 1
Message-ID: <001301c6b3d3$644172c0$dba93452@ANNY>


From: Andrew Lundwall <andrewlundwall at hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2006 1:09 PM 
Subject: melancholia's tremulous dreadlocks issue 1
To: andrewlundwall at hotmail.com


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poets featured in this edition of mtd:


mIEKAL aND!

John M. Bennett!

Marcia Arrieta!

Petra Backonja! 

Anny Ballardini!

Bob Marcacci!

Robert Chrysler!

kari edwards!

Alex Gildzen!

Johannes Goransson!

Richard Denner!

Jeff Harrison!

Chris Toll!

Eileen Tabios! 

Lina Ramona Vitkauskas!




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From anny.ballardini at tin.it  Sun Jul 30 12:42:26 2006
From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:42:26 +0200
Subject: [New-Poetry] printed anthology of online writing seeks submissions
Message-ID: <004c01c6b3f7$23de67f0$dba93452@ANNY>

Subject: printed anthology of online writing seeks submissions









As a result of a generous grant from Indiana State

University, Snow*Vigate Press will be publishing a

printed anthology of the best on-line writing over the

past ten years hopefully to be released in August

2007.



We would like to include around 3 pieces from each

writer appearing in the book.



If you would like to nominate your own on-line work or

work from others, please follow these guidelines:



Paste the URLs of 3-7 pieces of each writer in the

body of an email.  You may nominate up to 3 writers.

In the subject line of your email, please type

"Submission to Snow*Vigate Anthology."

Send all submissions to dougmartin832(at)yahoo.com

(replace (at) with @).



Work from any on-line site is acceptable, as long as

it has not been published in printed form.



Editors of on-line journals are encouraged to submit

work from their sites.



The submission period will be from August 1, 2006 to

September 1, 2006.



If you have any questions, please contact Doug Martin at
dougmartin832(at)yahoo.com (replace (at) with @)



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http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 
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From rsillima at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 31 09:14:47 2006
From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:14:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog (again with the comments)
Message-ID: <20060731131447.63149.qmail@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/

RECENT POSTS

Visions of Kerouac ???
Clark Coolidge as literary critic

Blog comments are back

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reach a conclusion

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post-Objectivist poetry?

Mid-American Chants by Sherwood Anderson
Writing as the personal never applied

Gabe Gudding on the history
of creative writing and contemporary poetry

Rebirth of the division
between the School of Quietude
and the post-avant tradition
in Afghan poetry in the U.S.

Geography, community and traffic
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A moment of comedy
offered by Brad Leithauser
in the NY Times

The tragedy of David Ignatow

Litquake:
We have met the enemy and he is us

http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/



From JforJames at aol.com  Mon Jul 31 10:53:26 2006
From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:53:26 EDT
Subject: [New-Poetry] obit: Patricia Goedicke, 75;
	Poet And University Professor
Message-ID: <bf0.c37f43.31ff7366@aol.com>

_http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/29/AR20060729008
55.html_ 
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/29/AR2006072900855.html) 
 

Patricia Goedicke, 75; Poet And University Professor
 
By Patricia Sullivan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, July 30,  2006; Page C10
 
Patricia Goedicke, 75, whose poetry won national accolades and whose work  as
a university professor helped build a nest for writers in the northern  Rocky
Mountain town of Missoula, Mont., died of pneumonia July 14 at St.  Patrick
Hospital there. She also had lung cancer.
 
The dark-eyed, dramatic poet wrote 12 books of verse, the most recent  one,
"As Earth Begins to End," recognized as one of the top 10 poetry books  of
2000 by the American Library Association. A decade earlier, "The Tongues  We
Speak" was a New York Times Notable Book of the Year.
 
Her work, rich in emotion, memorable rhythms and human relations,  attracted
a following of younger poets at the University of Montana, where  she was
first a poet-in-residence and then took poet Richard Hugo's  academic
position after his death in 1982.
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From elemenope at icubed.com  Mon Jul 31 15:12:18 2006
From: elemenope at icubed.com (elemenope at icubed.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:12:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [New-Poetry] Yeats, Bircumshaw, Sphinx
Message-ID: <4763.71.240.120.66.1154373138.squirrel@pop3a.icubed.com>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 25, Issue 28
From:    elemenope at icubed.com
Date:    Mon, July 31, 2006 3:10 pm
To:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dave,

Yeats was also a founder of the Order of The Golden Dawn, an esoteric
organization that intended to inject into the flow of intellectual culture
a renewal of occult philosophy and techne.  Yeats was not only a very
competent horary and natal astrologer, he rose to a level of esoteric and
mundane capability equalled by very few in the field.  The occult system
of transmigration and fate, human, personal and planetary history, isn't
found in quite the same way anywhere else.  In contemporary astrology, the
names of Nicholas Campion, Bill Meridian, Alan Oken and Michael O'Reilly
sort of cover the same area, but all of them would agree that Yeats'
system stands alone.  That it might very well be a transmission by Michael
Robartes from The Other Side, as Yeats asserted, should not be, I believe,
gainsaid.

If it quacks like a duck, has the strange orange eyes of a duck, the
webbed feet of a duck, it's the bloody rough beast Sphinx, come roaring
monstrously to life, thundering like some 1965 Japanese Sci Fi monster
across the sandy wastes towards Bethelem at the very moment (2000 post
Christ) it's own prophecies, painted in its astrologically organized
chambers, announce.

The interpentration of the gyres matches exactly the moment in mundane
planetary history we all have the pleasure of experiencing in the world
mind over death t.v. right NOW.

If not now, when?

Revelations, Nostradamus, Yeats. Mayan Calendar - - even Makmadinjihad's
quoted prophecy about their long awaited Ghoul-At-The-Bottom-Of-The-Well,
who will bring a deeply welcomed total chaos to humanitas that will demand
of all a total submission to Mecca round the clock on the Majic Carpet - -
all mark on the world calendar this moment as the start of the Final
Battle, which Yeats optimistically calls a birth throe.

Ridiculous, unnecessary, plain stupid, well, that's the way it is at this
level of the Manifestation that Yeats astrology charts.  A chart that
provides a way out, I would like to hope to think as I study it.

Onward the days roll,

Richard



> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:43:37 +0100
> From: "David Bircumshaw" <david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] (no subject)
> To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &amp;	Views"

> You have to be very careful witrh Yeats' great piece of windbag rhetoric,
> Richard, as well, I might add, with the theatrics of the Book of
> Revelations. Yeats' poem came to prominence through widespread
> misapphrension of what he was 'talking' about: 'the best lack all
> conviction/ while the worst are full of a passionate intensity' was widely
> seen as the Prophet Yeats predicting the rise of Nazism, as was that rough
> beast. He meant nothing of the sort, as the little cryptic note to the
> poem
> in his Collected implies. The best were his extremely dodgy fringe
> fascisti
> friends in the little green island, the worst were people who were in
> favour
> of council houses in England having baths because everyone knew that the
> working classes would use their baths to store coal in, I'm not of the
> camp
> who think Yeats was a full-blown facist, but he was friendly with the
> devil,
> and he was a pathetic fantasing arrogant snob, but a great poet, his
> first,
> and authorised, biography by the Nazi sympathiser Joseph Hone (pub. 1941,
> of
> all years) when the little green government was covertly sympathising with
> Hitler and the IRA were planting bombs in Coventry (of all places) weasly
> implies all.
>
> Mecury, that god of communication, was very definitely retrograde in the
> reception of Yeats's admitedly powerful rhetoric, as is that defunct by
> then
> already in the delirium of St Revelation John.
>
> All the Best
>
> Dave

>>as is that defunct by then
>> already in the delirium of St Revelation John.
>
> 'god', in the lower-case, has been typographically omitted from my
> closing:
> should be:
>
> as is that defunct by then +god+
>> already in the delirium of St Revelation John.

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <elemenope at icubed.com>
> To: <new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:34 AM
> Subject: [New-Poetry] (no subject)
>
>
>> (Taken from correspondence outside this list, but the content is
>> immediatly apparent to interested parties.
>>
>> R.D.)
>>
>>
>>
>> And Mercury is retrograde until the 28th.  Lots of Mercury retro
>> glitches
>> in my video work.
>>
>> I'm writing on Tuesday.  I may be going up to Chatauqua, N.Y. on
>> Thursday.
>>
>> I've been busy evaluating the question: Is Terra undergoing WWW IV?
>> (USSR
>> vs. USA Cold War being WWW III.)  If so, is this the Battle of
>> Armageddon
>> as predicted in "The Book of Revelations," or the prophecy W.B. Yeats
>> saw
>> in his poem, "The Second Coming."
>>
>> A "gyre" is a funnel shaped, spring-like pattern Yeats used to measure
>> the
>> ages of 2000 years that mark the Great Astrological Cycle of 24,000
>> years.
>>   The falcon and the Falconer point to the relationship of man's control
>> over the ferocity of animal will and mind; also, consider the fact that
>> the Arabs are associated with falconry. The term, "Spiritus Mundi,"
>> means
>> the Collective Unconsciousness of Deepest Dream Archetypes, or the
>> Akashik
>> Records.  I quote from memory:
>>
>> THE SECOND COMING
>>
>> Turning and turning in the ever widening gyre,
>> The falcon cannot hear the falconer,
>> Things fall apart, the center cannot hold
>> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the earth,
>> Everywhere the blood dimmed tide is loosed.
>> And the ceremony of innocence is drowned.
>> The best lack all conviction,
>> While the worst are filled with passionate intensity.
>> Surely some revelation is at hand.
>> Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
>> The Second Coming! No sooner are those words out,
>> When a vast image out of the Spiritus Mundi
>> Arises to trouble my sight.
>> Somewhere in sands of desert
>> A shape with body of lion and head of a man
>> Is moving its slow thighs
>> While all about it screech the indignant cries
>> Of desert birds.  The darkness drops again.
>> But now I know that twenty centuries of stony sleep,
>> Where vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
>> And what rough beast?  Its hour come round at last,
>> Slouches towards Bethelem to be born.
>>
>> (Circa 1921)
>>
>>
>>
>> > I'm going to call you.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:30 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: WE WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN IN OUR LIFETIME
>> >
>> >
>> >> Remember the mechanically physical effects of Mercury Retrograde as
>> >> Mercury stopped stationary, retreated backwards, stopped, and then
>> went
>> >> back over the path it had just traced.  Remember the analogy of a
>> boat
>> >> and
>> >> its wake.
>> >>
>> >> Now consider the current planetary crisis.  What is Mars doing?  And
>> >> what
>> >> is Mars in mythology?  Mars (Roman), Ares (Greek), the GAWD OV WAR!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>         We will never see this again in our lifetime
>> >>>
>> >>>               ...nor will the people of the next 50-to-1,000 Life
>> >>> Times!
>> >>>               Mars
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>               The Red Planet is about to be spectacular!
>> >>>
>> >>>               This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in
> an
>> >>> encounter that
>> >>>               will culminate in the closest  approach between the
>> two
>> >>> planets in
>> >>>               recorded  history. The next time Mars may come this
> close
>> >>> is
>> >>>               in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
>> >>>               Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
>> >>>               certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
>> >>>               in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
>> >>>               60,000 years before it happens again.
>> >>>
>> >>>               The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
>> >>>               Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
>> >>>               will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
>> >>>               the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9
>> >>>               and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest
>> >>>               75-power magnification...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>               Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked
>> >>> eye.
>> >>>
>> >>>               Mars will be easy to spot. At the
>> >>>               beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m.
>> >>>               and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.
>> >>>
>> >>>               By the end of August when the two planets are
>> >>>               closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
>> >>>               highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That's pretty
>> >>>               convenient to see something that no human being has
>> >>>               seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
>> >>>               the beginning of August to see Mars grow
>> >>>               progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
>> >>>               month.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>               Share this with your children and grandchildren.
>> >>>
>> >>>               NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN