From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Jan 1 05:24:11 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:24:11 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] New 2006 Message-ID: <003c01c60ebd$81fee010$3aaa3852@ANNY> Come, let's go snow-viewing till we're buried Basho from whiskey river http://whiskeyriver.blogspot.com/ with my best wishes for a New Year Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hruggier at localnet.com Sun Jan 1 09:51:00 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:51:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] New 2006 References: <003c01c60ebd$81fee010$3aaa3852@ANNY> Message-ID: <00ad01c60ee2$c84c9e20$6600a8c0@Helen> 108 times the bell tolls -- so many sins so little time Happy New Year y'all h ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: New Poetry Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:24 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] New 2006 Come, let's go snow-viewing till we're buried Basho from whiskey river http://whiskeyriver.blogspot.com/ with my best wishes for a New Year Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sun Jan 1 13:16:13 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:16:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] MFA tales References: <96.34f85676.30e867e3@aol.com> Message-ID: <003301c60eff$73a2b450$6601a8c0@OldMoleExpress> When I started at Iowa I was too young and innocent to know anything about networking, and as it turns out I never got the hang of it. The truth is, I didn't know anything. I went there partly for no reason...because I sorta had to do something...and partly to learn something about writing -- I knew what amounted to nothing. I didn't exactly know Iowa's reputation. I had studied with Donald Finkel at Bard, and he remains always my greatest mentor, but I was only dimly aware of his Iowa background, and he never recommended Iowa to me, or me to Iowa. So I went out there because I was excited about writing, and I knew nothing about it. I was self-indulgent and sophomoric, and I learned not to be. I learned about setting standards, and I learned about revision, and I learned about setting the bar higher for myself. I also was delighted to find myself in a community of people who were working at doing the same thing. It was an experience I wouldn't trade. ----- Original Message ----- From: MillB at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] MFA tales Greetings, What I hoped to get out of graduate school 15 years ago were the following opportunities: 1) to study with writers I had read and enjoyed. 2) to write for another few years before getting out into the "real world." 3) to develop a writing community and friendships with fellow writers. 4) to hone in and learn my craft. 5) to complete my thesis. 6) to spend time living as a writer (putting together a wage with teaching, articles, grants, freelance tech writing). 7) to "test out" the waters of a writing discipline in a relatively safe arena. 8) to earn a degree which would allow me to teach at the college level. 9) to push myself academically (in new directions, instead of just writing by myself, what I wanted). 10) to refine the research techniques I learned in undergrad. 11) to find mentors and peers. 12) to have a place fund me (i.e., pay me to read! pay me to write). 13) access to visiting writers series, seminars, libraries, a literary journal, etc. 14) travel abroad for a semester (under the cloak of academia). And, I got all this (and more). No law school promises budding attorneys that they will pass the bar, nor do they guarantee work at a "tony" legal firm. PhD or MFA programs don't make promises for success either. In both cases, it is not the degree, but the knowledge AND what you do with that knowledge that counts. Mill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Sun Jan 1 16:36:00 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:36:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy New Year! Message-ID: <8A1FB960-3D3F-4EF0-BFF2-39EF9350478C@earthlink.net> New Year's Day-- everything is in blossom! 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I believe in the exhilaration of standing at the boundary between the known and the unknown. I believe in the unanswered questions of children. to read the entire story: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5071045 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsillima at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 08:18:04 2006 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 05:18:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog: Shift & Switch Message-ID: <20060102131804.40689.qmail@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Shift & Switch ??? Searching for newness in the Canadian north A New Year???s Resolution Looking backward 2005 The 1,001 books mostly often found in libraries Poets I admire whose work is hard to find ??? thinking of Jerry Estrin Ways to Use Lance by Brett Evans The Collected Poems of Ted Berrigan Thomas Merton and Jonathan Greene: the nature of a correspondence Sheila E. Murphy ??? Toward the Year 2006 A Christmas message from Franz Wright Seth Abramson: questions on the sociology of poetry and the sociology of poetry blogs Reed Bye ??? Join the Planets What is New York about the New York school? Semezdin Mehmedinovic and Nine Alexandrias ??? seeing America through Bosnian eyes The actor John Spencer ??? 1946 ??? 2005 Paul Hoover on the Chicago Renaissance and the role of the local http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Jan 3 03:51:55 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:51:55 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tolkien Message-ID: <003c01c61042$f31bd010$69eb3652@ANNY> Happy birthday to J.R.R. Tolkien: He once said, "I am in fact, a hobbit in all but size. I like gardens, trees and unmechanized farmlands. I smoke a pipe and like good plain food (unrefrigerated), but detest French cooking. I am fond of mushrooms (out of a field).... I go to bed late and get up late (when possible). I do not travel much." from today's Writer's Almanac by Garrison Keillor, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Jan 3 13:50:53 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:50:53 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tory Dent, Poet Who Wrote of Living With H.I.V., Dies at 47 References: <231.4a27d2d.30ec0aef@aol.com> Message-ID: <003e01c61096$9fda9900$69eb3652@ANNY> Found on Fence Magazine: http://www.fencemag.com/v2n1/work/torydent.html Tory Dent Operative Truth Unfortunately, my love for you continues on like a pilot light. I hate the relief its status as a survival mechanism provides. I hate the flicker of interest despite my prescient sense of your failing the way I would listen to an inaugural address. I hate perhaps most intensely your use of the word honesty, i.e. "I've always been honest with you, Tory," as I endlessly unpack like an abscessed tooth the pathology of your lying, the crumpled newspapers, prototypes for your mode of truth telling (unbiased and politically correct) empty themselves out in that they fill up my apartment like a hearth. In one breath they vanish, the miniature flames of birthday candles. My birthday wish: I wish I'd never met you though I should pity a man who ends up like Bud in Splendor in the Grass. My love has reduced life to a propless stage like an Artaudian stage. My humiliation fills every criterion for finiteness as articulated in the theater of cruelty''s manifesto. The invasive audience erodes like pumice against any afterlife for my desire the way the ocean divides in a riptide and fights for nothing. Just one of the superfluous phenomena of nature, unlike the rock cycle the latter of which if likened to my desire would justify it as profitable instead of simply a series of actions that percuss in the echo chamber of my bed at midnight, where the sound extenuates into a toneless litany of self-admonishment; unnatural a distortion as in animation where the landscape fleshes out a matte primacy that appears both color-blocked and airbrushed like porno: the real made more bearable by censorship of the real. Hence, I spit out your memory amidst this Disney world. Emotive vividness or lack of offsets inordinately the glare of this gesture. I turned, you smiled with love like a polygraph checked as accurate. It triggered a history of accuracies and tenderness in those five seconds before the pain, the possible expertise of lying in order to pass a polygraph blurs before me in a kind of precognizant recognition like the death instinct. A veil of black gauze drops automatically overcasting my already overcast eyes. I maintain my desire in a tour de force of faith, the story of someone (someone famous, of course) who overcomes great odds at great expense, as if they had always a clear picture of the outcome before them the way a cross coheres a pilgrimage; The deflecting sun only underscores its signification, which to my atheism I'm blinded like branded, consumed as if doused with gasoline. I demonstrate the purity of my motive by setting myself on fire like Jan Palach. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 6:14 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Tory Dent, Poet Who Wrote of Living With H.I.V.,Dies at 47 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/03/arts/03DENT.html Tory Dent, Poet Who Wrote of Living With H.I.V., Dies at 47 By WOLFGANG SAXON Published: January 3, 2006 Tory Dent, a poet, essayist and art critic whose verse told of life with a diagnosis of H.I.V. and of the struggle to keep her creativity alive, died last Friday at her home in the East Village. She was 47. The death was announced by her husband, Sean Harvey. The cause was an opportunistic infection associated with AIDS, to which her condition had progressed about nine years ago. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anny Ballardini ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] from Google Quotes of the Day: The most important scientific revolutions all include, as their only common feature, the dethronement of human arrogance from one pedestal after another of previous convictions about our centrality in the cosmos. - Stephen Jay Gould The fully-alive are continually finding new ways to define their obvious centrality in the cosmos--and the weak-blooded continually finding ways to define their superiors down to their level. --Bob Grumman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Fri Jan 6 09:34:27 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:34:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Google In-Reply-To: <013e01c612ad$e1ca94f0$dcad3252@ANNY> References: <013e01c612ad$e1ca94f0$dcad3252@ANNY> Message-ID: <832D2BFE-426A-464B-A8A2-193AA13B3F34@earthlink.net> On Jan 6, 2006, at 5:42 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Quotes of the Day: > > The most important scientific revolutions all include, as their > only common feature, the dethronement of human arrogance from one > pedestal after another of previous convictions about our centrality > in the cosmos. > - Stephen Jay Gould And where was that editor when Gould needed him? Hal "I can see that you are the kind of young man who is accustomed to winning arguments." --Gertrude Stein to Mortimer Adler Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net halvard at gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rog3r.day at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 11:00:29 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:00:29 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] from Google In-Reply-To: <002e01c612c1$0f6fc890$58b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <013e01c612ad$e1ca94f0$dcad3252@ANNY> <002e01c612c1$0f6fc890$58b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: There are those who know they aren't the centre of the universe. The rest are deluding themselves. Roger On 1/6/06, Bob Grumman wrote: > > Quotes of the Day: > > The most important scientific revolutions all include, as their only common > feature, the dethronement of human arrogance from one pedestal after another > of previous convictions about our centrality in the cosmos. > - Stephen Jay Gould > > The fully-alive are continually finding new ways to define their obvious > centrality in the cosmos--and the weak-blooded continually finding ways to > define their superiors down to their level. > > --Bob Grumman > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From editor at deaddrunkdublin.com Fri Jan 6 13:29:18 2006 From: editor at deaddrunkdublin.com (editor at deaddrunkdublin.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:29:18 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 19, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <200601061700.k06H05Jt023519@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200601061700.k06H05Jt023519@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: Bob, i don't know you so you'll have to decipher this comment sans intonation. your comment about fully-alive people being vampired on by weak-bloodied levelers is the signature & core of the third reich belief system, as well as (not un-coincidentally) the catholic church. i hope you're aware of this. i've no idea, even after reading your comments for some time, what your cultural/social/ political persuasions are - but this one rings of the reich, perhaps innocently so. i write to you from dublin, ole ireland, which despite the celtic tiger (fast cars and precious little road to run them on, 2 new tram systems with different sized rails) maintains it's celtic mindset. we've been trying to level the british for a few hundred years! it's brutish of us i'm sure, not . our humor has something called "slagging". it's natural and habitual - part of the psyche. it IS vicious, can be devastating etc. underneath it lies, not just the weak-willed-blood of our race (as others might put it, as the brits often did) but a very irish cunning intelligence that 'knows in its bones' -- "ah, da world doesn't revolve aroun' yer poxy ego... ... it's me it dances for!" of course, we irish have never risen above our "petty squabbling & slagging" to create a Great Empire and Conquer the world... but then again there's more of us in america, australia, russia and asia than any of the Brits who ruled us for 800 years! and we didn't fire a shot against anyone. out of our weak-willed-blood, following century upon century of Crushing Victory upon our heads, we found we had fists & souls & enough heart to know... "sure that hitler fella is full of shit", and those that rise up must come down. "every fool has his own way of talking, and every cripple their own way of walking" -- brendan behan peace & equanimity (roight!) ah, but i'm doin' just what you said... andrew On 6 Jan 2006, at 17:00, new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:59:39 -0500 > From: "Bob Grumman" > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] from Google > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Message-ID: <002e01c612c1$0f6fc890$58b831d0 at youro0kwkw9jwc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Quotes of the Day: > > The most important scientific revolutions all include, as their > only common feature, the dethronement of human arrogance from one > pedestal after another of previous convictions about our centrality > in the cosmos. > - Stephen Jay Gould > > The fully-alive are continually finding new ways to define their > obvious centrality in the cosmos--and the weak-blooded continually > finding ways to define their superiors down to their level. > > --Bob Grumman a n d r e w l o v a t t : e d i t o r d e a d d r u n k d u b l i n & o t h e r i m a g i n a l s p a c e s poems - live readings - stories - writings - music manifestos - digital galleries - flash & movies new poetry collections: maria pace, monica pace, mairead byrne, christopher locke, andrew lundwall, michael k. gause, l. ward abel (live audio) d. garcia-wahl, darran anderson, marissa ranello, tom wright, gregorio racadio, terri carrion, john bryan sonja broderick (live audio) coming next: alan jude moore, michael lovatt, dolly sen, monica pace, michael rothenberg music: andrew lovatt. manifesto: the path IS peace, thich nhat hahn new works coming online in mar/apr from: barry fitton, bonnie macallister, calvin hernton, carl neville, eddie wall, frank walsh, ignacio fusilier, john g hall, konstantina chochlaka, lane ashfeldt, liam cahill, m a littler, pieter zandvliet, ralph david samuel, rodger jacobs, sean patrick murphy, sinead gallgher, stephanie durann, stephen moran, stephen oliver, susan kennedy, ulrike gerbig, and more flash art : animated paintings from konstantina chochlaka to contribute, email the editor at deaddrunkdublin.com. guidelines? explore the boundaries of experience & push the doors of perception. dig deep & look high. http://www.deaddrunkdublin.com/?eml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope at icubed.com Fri Jan 6 00:51:02 2006 From: elemenope at icubed.com (ELEMENOPE Productions) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:51:02 +0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] 4. Re: from Google (Bob Grumman) In-Reply-To: <200601061700.k06H05Jt023519@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200601061700.k06H05Jt023519@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: Don't know about any of the rest of you, but as far as I can gather I'm out here floating in the isotropics at the center no matter how far away I swim from where I was back before when I was thinking about being the center of this it of worlds. So even though I may not lord over it I sure am at the center of it, whatever it is, wherever it is; and, oh, by the way, what time is it? Richard Dillon > > >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:59:39 -0500 >From: "Bob Grumman" >Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] from Google >To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" > > Quotes of the Day: > >The most important scientific revolutions all include, as their only >common feature, the dethronement of human arrogance from one >pedestal after another of previous convictions about our centrality >in the cosmos. > - Stephen Jay Gould > >The fully-alive are continually finding new ways to define their >obvious centrality in the cosmos--and the weak-blooded continually >finding ways to define their superiors down to their level. > >--Bob Grumman > > >The naturally talented keenly devoted pursue development that will >be mined, step by step by those who are meanly inclined, eroded by >the incapacity of accepting the higher level freely offered. > >Anny Ballardini -- From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 6 14:29:40 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:29:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: New-Poetry Digest, Vol 19, Issue 6 References: <200601061700.k06H05Jt023519@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <009301c612f7$8b5a4990$58b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Bob, i don't know you so you'll have to decipher this comment sans intonation. your comment about fully-alive people being vampired on by weak-bloodied levelers is the signature & core of the third reich belief system, as well as (not un-coincidentally) the catholic church. i hope you're aware of this. i've no idea, even after reading your comments for some time, what your cultural/social/political persuasions are - but this one rings of the reich, perhaps innocently so. I felt I was merely defending those who consider mankind to be the center of the universe against people like Gould who, in my view, feel inferior and so applaud anything they take to put their those who don't feel inferior in their place. If you want to equate my elitism with Adolf's or anyone else's, feel free. I'm a big fan of Gould's in spite of his leftism, by the way. But it made him irrational too often. i write to you from dublin, ole ireland, which despite the celtic tiger (fast cars and precious little road to run them on, 2 new tram systems with different sized rails) maintains it's celtic mindset. we've been trying to level the british for a few hundred years! it's brutish of us i'm sure, not . our humor has something called "slagging". it's natural and habitual - part of the psyche. it IS vicious, can be devastating etc. underneath it lies, not just the weak-willed-blood of our race (as others might put it, as the brits often did) but a very irish cunning intelligence that 'knows in its bones' -- "ah, da world doesn't revolve aroun' yer poxy ego... ... it's me it dances for!" of course, we irish have never risen above our "petty squabbling & slagging" to create a Great Empire and Conquer the world... but then again there's more of us in america, australia, russia and asia than any of the Brits who ruled us for 800 years! and we didn't fire a shot against anyone. out of our weak-willed-blood, following century upon century of Crushing Victory upon our heads, we found we had fists & souls & enough heart to know... "sure that hitler fella is full of shit", and those that rise up must come down. "every fool has his own way of talking, and every cripple their own way of walking" -- brendan behan peace & equanimity (roight!) ah, but i'm doin' just what you said... andrew I seem to remember that you guys didn't dislike Hitler, too much. But don't get me going on the Irish--I often describe myself as 25% Irish--which is Irish enough to be a failure but not Irish enough to be a drunk. --Bob O'Meara/Franklin/Sherman/Grumman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c288 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 6 15:26:37 2006 From: c288 at hotmail.com (Charmaine Pettit) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:26:37 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] 4. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthew.shindell at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 00:46:28 2006 From: matthew.shindell at gmail.com (Matthew Shindell) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:46:28 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fwd: An ACTION Packed Sunday on My Vocabulary In-Reply-To: <5c3d17030601061400t708345aet912f8b1b275d4870@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c3d17030601061400t708345aet912f8b1b275d4870@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f273e940601062146r3d661b47q49797e4d9a77201c@mail.gmail.com> Listeners of My Vocabulary will be treated to a healthy dose of ACTIONBOOKS this Sunday. Two authors whose books can be found in the hit-the-ground-running catalog of this recently founded press will be reading. In the first hour we'll have the talented and intelligent Lara Glenum reading from her new book, The Hounds of No. In the second hour, a reading by the Swedish poet Aase Berg with translations by Johannes Goransson. Find out more about ACTIONBOOKS and peruse their catalog online at www.actionbooks.org. And tune in this Sunday from 4-6pm PST to KSDT radio to hear the show. You can tune in through the link on the My Vocabulary website (http://myvocabulary.blogspot.com), or you can tune in through the KSDT website (http://ksdt.ucsd.edu). Either way, I recommend you be there on time and ready to rock it. And don't forget, some of the best moments of 2005 are still available online on our website. Happy New Year! Matthew Shindell -- My Vocabulary: Poems and Music Hosted by Matthew Shindell Music by Michel Cazary Sundays 4-6 pm (PST) on KSDT (http://ksdt.ucsd.edu/) http://myvocabulary.blogspot.com MyVocabulary at gmail.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Jan 7 11:35:17 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:35:17 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Albert Hofmann Message-ID: <001501c613a8$580dca10$79a83852@ANNY> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/07/international/europe/07hoffman.html >From today's The New York Times: The Saturday Profile Nearly 100, LSD's Father Ponders His 'Problem Child' By CRAIG SMITH Published: January 7, 2006 BURG, Switzerland Marc Latzel/Lookat "LSD spoke to me. He came to me and said, 'You must find me.' He told me, 'Don't give me to the pharmacologist.'" - ALBERT HOFMANN ALBERT Hofmann, the father of LSD, walked slowly across the small corner office of his modernist home on a grassy Alpine hilltop here, hoping to show a visitor the vista that sweeps before him on clear days. an excerpt: Mr. Hofmann participated in tests in a Sandoz laboratory, but found the experience frightening and realized that the drug should be used only under carefully controlled circumstances. In 1951, he wrote to the German novelist Ernst Junger, who had experimented with mescaline, and proposed that they take LSD together. They each took 0.05 milligrams of pure LSD at Mr. Hofmann's home accompanied by roses, music by Mozart and burning Japanese incense. "That was the first planned psychedelic test," Mr. Hofmann said. He took the drug dozens of times after that, he said, and once experienced what he called a "horror trip" when he was tired and Mr. Junger gave him amphetamines first. But his hallucinogenic days are long behind him. "I know LSD; I don't need to take it anymore," Mr. Hofmann said. "Maybe when I die, like Aldous Huxley," who asked his wife for an injection of LSD to help him through the final painful throes of his fatal throat cancer. But Mr. Hofmann calls LSD "medicine for the soul" and is frustrated by the worldwide prohibition that has pushed it underground. "It was used very successfully for 10 years in psychoanalysis," he said, adding that the drug was hijacked by the youth movement of the 1960's and then demonized by the establishment that the movement opposed. He said LSD could be dangerous and called its distribution by Timothy Leary and others "a crime." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kazmandu at aol.com Sat Jan 7 13:05:59 2006 From: Kazmandu at aol.com (Kazmandu at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:05:59 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Irish? Message-ID: <1a2.42fea404.30f15d07@aol.com> In a message dated 1/7/2006 9:26:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu writes: of course, we irish have never risen above our "petty squabbling & slagging" to create a Great Empire and Conquer the world... but then again there's more of us in america, australia, russia and asia than any of the Brits who ruled us for 800 years! and we didn't fire a shot against anyone. out of our weak-willed-blood, following century upon century of Crushing Victory upon our heads, we found we had fists & souls & enough heart to know... "sure that hitler fella is full of shit", and those that rise up must come down. "every fool has his own way of talking, and every cripple their own way of walking" -- brendan behan peace & equanimity (roight!) ah, but i'm doin' just what you said... andrew I seem to remember that you guys didn't dislike Hitler, too much. But don't get me going on the Irish--I often describe myself as 25% Irish--which is Irish enough to be a failure but not Irish enough to be a drunk. --Bob O'Meara/Franklin/Sherman/Grumman Well I am 25% Scott ... but I think I am really from West Tulsa so if you will excuse me I gotta go down to the prayer meetin and then after that we'all are going to the gun show. see ya'll later, Kaz Maslanka _http://www.mathematicalpoetry.blogspot.com_ (http://www.mathematicalpoetry.blogspot.com) _http://www.kazmaslanka.com_ (http://www.kazmaslanka.com) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clitophon at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 13:39:45 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:39:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Irish? In-Reply-To: <1a2.42fea404.30f15d07@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060107183945.42157.qmail@web36515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> you must think the Irish are such angels but we could never perfect a submarine or underwater cello playing or rhinoceras riding. Some racial characteristics are apparant, constant drinking of guinness, madness in the family, muttering songs or snatches of poetry - enough to make us all the negroes of the world except women are really the negroes of the world except for the negroes who are really the negroes of another world or the moon or a parallel sun. Go back to the pub, recite some doggerel and pass round the cap. Forget about it, I didn't mean it. Paul Murphy --- Kazmandu at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/7/2006 9:26:26 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > new-poetry-request at wiz.cath.vt.edu writes: > > of course, we irish have never risen above our > "petty squabbling & slagging" > to create a Great Empire and Conquer the world... > but then again there's > more of us in america, australia, russia and asia > than any of the Brits who > ruled us for 800 years! and we didn't fire a shot > against anyone. out of our > weak-willed-blood, following century upon century of > Crushing Victory upon our > heads, we found we had fists & souls & enough heart > to know... "sure that > hitler fella is full of shit", and those that rise > up must come down. > > > "every fool has his own way of talking, > and every cripple their own way of walking" -- > brendan behan > > > peace & equanimity (roight!) ah, but i'm doin' > just what you said... > > > andrew > > I seem to remember that you guys didn't dislike > Hitler, too much. But don't > get me going on the Irish--I often describe myself > as 25% Irish--which is > Irish enough to be a failure but not Irish enough > to be a drunk. > > --Bob O'Meara/Franklin/Sherman/Grumman > > > > > Well I am 25% Scott ... but I think I am really from > West Tulsa so if you > will excuse me I gotta go down to the prayer meetin > and then after that we'all > are going to the gun show. > > see ya'll later, > Kaz Maslanka > > _http://www.mathematicalpoetry.blogspot.com_ > (http://www.mathematicalpoetry.blogspot.com) > _http://www.kazmaslanka.com_ > (http://www.kazmaslanka.com) > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Jan 8 09:10:03 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:10:03 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Talking of O's Message-ID: <00e701c6145d$38af89a0$06af3252@ANNY> There is some good work by Karri Kokko on his second blog: Blonde on Blonde: http://bloonblo.blogspot.com/ I am referring to Rhome 12: http://bloonblo.blogspot.com/2006/01/rhome-12.html Rhome 5: http://bloonblo.blogspot.com/2006/01/rhome-5.html Rhome 19, Rhome 15, but the entire series is good. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Searching for newness in the Canadian north A New Year?s Resolution Looking backward 2005 The 1,001 books mostly often found in libraries Poets I admire whose work is hard to find ? thinking of Jerry Estrin Ways to Use Lance by Brett Evans The Collected Poems of Ted Berrigan http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From JforJames at aol.com Mon Jan 9 09:44:52 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:44:52 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by others: George Oppen, "TO C. T." Message-ID: <1e.53f292a6.30f3d0e4@aol.com> TO C. T. (Written originally in a letter to Charles Tomlinson who, in his reply, suggested this division into lines of verse. The poem is, therefore, a collaboration.) One imagines himself addressing his peers I suppose. Surely that might be the definition of ?seriousness?? 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First cold winter twilights despite this week's richmond refinery fire never more perfect even the burned and corrupt air stunning saffron violet orange indigo becoming blood red as sun descends with a delayed shudder or retarded tremor into ocean fire and night begins to close in over the whole sky from other (eastern) end--a deep blue bowl or dish inverted convex glass dome extruded pyrex lid over boundless now starless ozone depleted spaces of what must become known as end times--last hundred years of human habitation rendering in view of coming loss the earth in ever more damaged form even more beautiful than ever before --Tom Clark in Brooklyn Review 9 (1992) Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net halvard at gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Jan 9 10:26:56 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:26:56 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Orr on Collins Message-ID: David Orr's NYTimes review of Billy Collins, in the form of a Collins parody, is well worth reading. It's also a rather good review, I would say. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/08/books/review/08orr.html ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Jan 9 13:04:09 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:04:09 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] The problem of regionalism Message-ID: I've been reading Jim Moore's new book lately (*Lightning at Dinner*, Graywolf), and was interested to see a review of it linked at Poetry Daily: http://www.calendarlive.com/books/bookreview/cl-bk-lytal1jan01,2,3788622.sto ry The reviewer, Benjamin Lytal, makes much of Moore's supposed "regionalism," a term that never fails to irk me. True to form, Lytal never really defines the term, much less examining it or acknowledging its hugely problematic nature. I don't think I can recall ever seeing the words "regionalism" or "regionalist" used in a way that made any sense to me, I admit. They are always--always-- vague put-downs applied to writers who live more than a short drive from an ocean, and who may actually know the difference between Holstein and Hereford. (I would be very interested if anyone could think of any examples to prove me wrong.) While dutifully trotting out the usual names (Williams, Frost, Kooser) Lytal seems to use "regionalism" as a confused and confusing synonym for a number of qualities: lack of ambition, apolitical content, plain diction and syntax, populism, modesty, etc. Reference to actual place and locality seems almost an afterthought. It's too bad that Lytal muddies the water by conflating "regionalism" with these other traits, for the quality he calls "smallness" is, in fact, worth talking about, as is the current popularity of plain-spoken free verse. And Moore's typical lack of verbal fireworks is worth some critical attention. Like any number of poets I admire (including Billy Collins, David Budbill, Louis Simpson, Lucille Clifton--just for starters) Jim Moore does write poems that fall flat for me at times. I sometimes wish for more twist in the syntax, more flash in the imagery, a more capacious diction, and so forth. But "regionalism" isn't the right term for any of this by a long shot. There is no one more worldly or literary than Collins, for instance, or more political than Clifton. Of course, they're also coastal poets, and so don't get tagged with the R-word, nor should they--but neither should someone like Moore, who writes of the biggest issues. The problems with "regionalism" as a category are manifold. For just one, I've almost never seen it applied to truly inbred, local scenes in urban centers. If the term is to have any meaning at all, it surely should not be restricted to poets who occasionally mention corn fields. Here's the title poem from Jim Moore's book: Lightning at Dinner Basta! shouts the waiter, then laughs each time the sky is rent, delighted. "Such a long journey," my failing mother said, her voice calm and steady, crossing seven time zones. Light gone, you and I sit in the dark. Our hands touch, finally, hours after our argument. This sudden warmth, palm to palm: as when thunder stops, the suddenness of all that silence. Or the aftershock ? deafening ? when an only son is given to understand his mother's business with him is completely done. Jim Moore Lightning at Dinner Graywolf Press ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Jan 9 17:40:55 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:40:55 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Orr on Collins References: Message-ID: <012601c6156d$c126ec90$16eb3652@ANNY> This is a good one... wouldn't like to be under Orr's claws, From: "David Graham" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:26 PM > David Orr's NYTimes review of Billy Collins, in the form of a Collins > parody, is well worth reading. It's also a rather good review, I would > say. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/08/books/review/08orr.html > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 18:36:36 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:36:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The problem of regionalism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <731bb17a0601091536w714ca37wc55323b25b1e982b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for this, David. I've often wondered why "regionalism" gets this kind of dismissal. I know there are those that would label Robert Frost as a "minor poet," but I'd argue that his appropriation of New England dialect moves beyond "mere regionalsm." (Note my scare quotes). Perhaps regionalism has come to mean what you suggest: a slackness of style. I do believe that many of the plan-spoken poets that are writing today get away with murder under the pretense of "plain-spokeness." While I like the Writer's Almanac, for example, I find many of the poems complete tripe--cut up prose masquerading as poetry (and doing a poor job, to boot). What I mean to say is that this kind of "plain spokeness" seems the opposite end of the pendulum from those too-cool-for-anything-but-school po-mo types whose work sneers at narrative, straight-forwardness, and meaning. Thanks for getting me to thinking here. Jeff Newberry On 1/9/06, David Graham wrote: > > > I've been reading Jim Moore's new book lately (*Lightning at Dinner*, > Graywolf), and was interested to see a review of it linked at Poetry Daily: > > http://www.calendarlive.com/books/bookreview/cl-bk-lytal1jan01,2,3788622.story > > > The reviewer, Benjamin Lytal, makes much of Moore's supposed > "regionalism," a term that never fails to irk me. True to form, Lytal never > really defines the term, much less examining it or acknowledging its hugely > problematic nature. I don't think I can recall ever seeing the words > "regionalism" or "regionalist" used in a way that made any sense to me, I > admit. They are always--always-- vague put-downs applied to writers who > live more than a short drive from an ocean, and who may actually know the > difference between Holstein and Hereford. (I would be very interested if > anyone could think of any examples to prove me wrong.) > > While dutifully trotting out the usual names (Williams, Frost, Kooser) > Lytal seems to use "regionalism" as a confused and confusing synonym for a > number of qualities: lack of ambition, apolitical content, plain diction > and syntax, populism, modesty, etc. Reference to actual place and locality > seems almost an afterthought. > > It's too bad that Lytal muddies the water by conflating "regionalism" with > these other traits, for the quality he calls "smallness" is, in fact, worth > talking about, as is the current popularity of plain-spoken free verse. And > Moore's typical lack of verbal fireworks is worth some critical attention. > Like any number of poets I admire (including Billy Collins, David Budbill, > Louis Simpson, Lucille Clifton--just for starters) Jim Moore does write > poems that fall flat for me at times. I sometimes wish for more twist in > the syntax, more flash in the imagery, a more capacious diction, and so > forth. But "regionalism" isn't the right term for any of this by a long > shot. There is no one more worldly or literary than Collins, for instance, > or more political than Clifton. Of course, they're also coastal poets, and > so don't get tagged with the R-word, nor should they--but neither should > someone like Moore, who writes of the biggest issues. > > The problems with "regionalism" as a category are manifold. For just one, > I've almost never seen it applied to truly inbred, local scenes in urban > centers. If the term is to have any meaning at all, it surely should not be > restricted to poets who occasionally mention corn fields. > > Here's the title poem from Jim Moore's book: > > Lightning at Dinner > > *Basta!* shouts the waiter, > then laughs each time the sky > is rent, delighted. > "Such a long journey," > my failing mother said, > her voice calm and steady, > crossing seven time zones. > > Light gone, > you and I sit in the dark. Our hands > touch, finally, hours > after our argument. > This sudden warmth, palm > to palm: as when thunder stops, > the suddenness of all that silence. > Or the aftershock ? deafening ? > when an only son > is given to understand > his mother's business with him > is completely done. > > *Jim Moore > **Lightning at Dinner > **Graywolf Press > > * > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeff On 1/9/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/9/2006 5:37:01 PM Central Standard Time, > jeff.newberry at gmail.com writes: > > > I know there are those that would label Robert Frost as a "minor poet," > but I'd argue that his appropriation of New England dialect moves beyond > "mere regionalsm." > > > Eliot said, "Robert Frost is no more a regional poet of New England than > Goethe is a regional poet of the Rhineland." > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's also a rather good review, I would say. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/08/books/review/08orr.html > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From halvard at earthlink.net Tue Jan 10 09:53:00 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:53:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] "Vikings" Message-ID: <40922C6C-2B5A-4239-9960-2285442EFC7D@earthlink.net> Vikings The press that stills strategy, done as well as humans can do. ?Very? qualifies as an adverb, even here, even now. Incredible impact! That place anymore, the key phrase, I swear. The whole of the instant up to something different. The very next brush tempts fate, exactly. Some figurative ashes keep us occupied until the Jello is suddenly served. Building backwards, from the top down, as they say, serves us better if we can stop just short of the ground. Home things: heavy-lidded. Deep-storage rare. They were such a handsome family. Scene Two. Delicious raiders that they were, the Vikings pillaged excessively, but without destroying the chickens that laid, so to speak, their golden eggs. Private lists give the dates of their incursions, their swift strikes against unsuspecting, though not necessarily innocent, farmers. After all, he is from Barcelona. I find that extraordinary. High-pressure paragraphs floated in the blue, near vertical evening. The festivities ended abruptly amid calamities and mild indifferences. Grandma is useless because there?s nothing to say. If I say I am reading, I am reading and that is that. To speak bluntly, I found him overly deferential. Walking the footpaths along the cliffs, waiting for the fog to roll in, lift, roll in again. Crows in the far field. Crows in the near field. Autumn driving down the road in her shiny new limosine. Do translate this, word for word. Nuts and bolts, I?d like to explain them, but dare not. About thirty, she thought. O, her raddled memory. Doors, fumes, sky. Which of us hasn?t dreamt of a Goo- Gone of the spirit? A strategic one of benign neglect. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net halvard at gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wisteria Philip Levine from Sweet Will The first purple wisteria I recall from boyhood hung on a wire outside the windows of the breakfast room next door at the home of Steve Pisaris. I loved his tall, skinny daughter, or so I thought, and I would wait beside the back door, prostrate, begging to be taken in. Perhaps it was only the flowers of spring with their sickening perfumes that had infected me. When Steve and Sophie and the three children packed up and made the move west, I went on spring after spring, leaden with desire, half-asleep, praying to die. Now I know those prayers were answered. That boy died, the brick houses deepened and darkened with rain, age, use, and finally closed their eyes and dreamed the sleep of California. I learned this only today. Wakened early in an empty house not lately battered by storms, I looked for nothing. On the surface of the rain barrel, the paled, shredded blossoms floated. The Deer Lay Down Their Bones (1954) Robinson Jeffers I followed the narrow cliffside trail half way up the mountain Above the deep river-canyon. There was a little cataract crossed the path, flinging itself Over tree roots and rocks, shaking the jeweled fern-fronds, bright bubbling water Pure from the mountain, but a bad smell came up. Wondering at it I clam- bered down the steep stream Some forty feet, and found in the midst of bush-oak and laurel, Hung like a bird's nest on the precipice brink a small hidden clearing, Grass and a shallow pool. But all about there were bones Iying in the grass, clean bones and stinking bones, Antlers and bones: I understood that the place was a refuge for wounded deer; there are so many Hurt ones escape the hunters and limp away to lie hidden; here they have water for the awful thirst And peace to die in; dense green laurel and grim cliff Make sanctuary, and a sweet wind blows upward from the deep gorge.--I wish my bones were with theirs. But that's a foolish thing to confess, and a little cowardly. We know that life Is on the whole quite equally good and bad, mostly gray neutral, and can be endured To the dim end, no matter what magic of grass, water and precipice, and pain of wounds, Makes death look dear. We have been given life and have used it--not a great gift perhaps--but in honesty Should use it all. Mine's empty since my love died--Empty? The flame- haired grandchild with great blue eyes That look like hers?--What can I do for the child? I gaze at her and wonder what sort of man In the fall of the world . . . I am growing old, that is the trouble. My chil- dren and little grandchildren Will find their way, and why should I wait ten years yet, having lived sixty- seven, ten years more or less, Before I crawl out on a ledge of rock and die snapping, like a wolf Who has lost his mate?--I am bound by my own thirty-year-old decision: who drinks the wine Should take the dregs; even in the bitter lees and sediment New discovery may lie. The deer in that beautiful place lay down their bones: I must wear mine. Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The agricultural background he inhabited (sort of) is the old American dream. And it wasn't just NE but the Homestead act land on the Plains, etc. etc. h ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Newberry To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The problem of regionalism Thanks for this, David. I've often wondered why "regionalism" gets this kind of dismissal. I know there are those that would label Robert Frost as a "minor poet," but I'd argue that his appropriation of New England dialect moves beyond "mere regionalsm." (Note my scare quotes). Perhaps regionalism has come to mean what you suggest: a slackness of style. I do believe that many of the plan-spoken poets that are writing today get away with murder under the pretense of "plain-spokeness." While I like the Writer's Almanac, for example, I find many of the poems complete tripe--cut up prose masquerading as poetry (and doing a poor job, to boot). What I mean to say is that this kind of "plain spokeness" seems the opposite end of the pendulum from those too-cool-for-anything-but-school po-mo types whose work sneers at narrative, straight-forwardness, and meaning. Thanks for getting me to thinking here. Jeff Newberry On 1/9/06, David Graham wrote: I've been reading Jim Moore's new book lately (*Lightning at Dinner*, Graywolf), and was interested to see a review of it linked at Poetry Daily: http://www.calendarlive.com/books/bookreview/cl-bk-lytal1jan01,2,3788622.story The reviewer, Benjamin Lytal, makes much of Moore's supposed "regionalism," a term that never fails to irk me. True to form, Lytal never really defines the term, much less examining it or acknowledging its hugely problematic nature. I don't think I can recall ever seeing the words "regionalism" or "regionalist" used in a way that made any sense to me, I admit. They are always--always-- vague put-downs applied to writers who live more than a short drive from an ocean, and who may actually know the difference between Holstein and Hereford. (I would be very interested if anyone could think of any examples to prove me wrong.) While dutifully trotting out the usual names (Williams, Frost, Kooser) Lytal seems to use "regionalism" as a confused and confusing synonym for a number of qualities: lack of ambition, apolitical content, plain diction and syntax, populism, modesty, etc. Reference to actual place and locality seems almost an afterthought. It's too bad that Lytal muddies the water by conflating "regionalism" with these other traits, for the quality he calls "smallness" is, in fact, worth talking about, as is the current popularity of plain-spoken free verse. And Moore's typical lack of verbal fireworks is worth some critical attention. Like any number of poets I admire (including Billy Collins, David Budbill, Louis Simpson, Lucille Clifton--just for starters) Jim Moore does write poems that fall flat for me at times. I sometimes wish for more twist in the syntax, more flash in the imagery, a more capacious diction, and so forth. But "regionalism" isn't the right term for any of this by a long shot. There is no one more worldly or literary than Collins, for instance, or more political than Clifton. Of course, they're also coastal poets, and so don't get tagged with the R-word, nor should they--but neither should someone like Moore, who writes of the biggest issues. The problems with "regionalism" as a category are manifold. For just one, I've almost never seen it applied to truly inbred, local scenes in urban centers. If the term is to have any meaning at all, it surely should not be restricted to poets who occasionally mention corn fields. Here's the title poem from Jim Moore's book: Lightning at Dinner Basta! shouts the waiter, then laughs each time the sky is rent, delighted. "Such a long journey," my failing mother said, her voice calm and steady, crossing seven time zones. Light gone, you and I sit in the dark. Our hands touch, finally, hours after our argument. This sudden warmth, palm to palm: as when thunder stops, the suddenness of all that silence. Or the aftershock ? deafening ? when an only son is given to understand his mother's business with him is completely done. Jim Moore Lightning at Dinner Graywolf Press ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. 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"A Servant to > Servants," etc. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Tue Jan 10 13:03:39 2006 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:03:39 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs Message-ID: <1e3.4a8b8980.30f550fb@aol.com> Does anyone ahve a link to the original articles. Although from hte tone of the letters, it appears to be more of the same old thing. Next time I get food poisoning, I intend to blame cooking schools. Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Puuuleease. > > On another related subject, I noticed yet another Joan Houlihan essay which > sounded like more bashing of language poetry. Does she write about anything > else? > > Sorry. I am just a bit snippy today.... > > Suzanne > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From queenmouse at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 15:01:49 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:01:49 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs In-Reply-To: References: <1e3.4a8b8980.30f550fb@aol.com> Message-ID: On 1/10/06, Roger Day wrote: > > oh my, ms houlihan, how dost thou hate modernity, let me count the ways: I don't care if she hates modernity really. I just think she needs to get herself a new problem. This is getting really tedious and predictable. --Suzanne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mandolin at mac.com Tue Jan 10 15:29:16 2006 From: mandolin at mac.com (Mike Snider) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:29:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs In-Reply-To: References: <1e3.4a8b8980.30f550fb@aol.com> Message-ID: <13705700.1136924956438.JavaMail.mandolin@mac.com> On Tuesday, January 10, 2006, at 03:12PM, Suzanne Burns wrote: > ><>_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > I personally think she's right, but I also think you;re right that she needs something new to talk about. And in any case, as Auden said, while books may be unjustly forgotten, no book is unjustly remembered. She ought to write about what she likes. ----- Sent from webmail, so I'm not at my computer. http://radio.weblogs.com/0113501/ for the Sonnetarium -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 15:38:15 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:15 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs In-Reply-To: <13705700.1136924956438.JavaMail.mandolin@mac.com> References: <1e3.4a8b8980.30f550fb@aol.com> <13705700.1136924956438.JavaMail.mandolin@mac.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0601101238y7f51ea34wd375c0fcd584fb16@mail.gmail.com> Good point, Mike. Jeff Newberry On 1/10/06, Mike Snider wrote: > > > On Tuesday, January 10, 2006, at 03:12PM, Suzanne Burns < > queenmouse at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ><>_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > I personally think she's right, but I also think you;re right that she > needs something new to talk about. And in any case, as Auden said, while > books may be unjustly forgotten, no book is unjustly remembered. She ought > to write about what she likes. > > > ----- > Sent from webmail, so I'm not at my computer. > http://radio.weblogs.com/0113501/ for the Sonnetarium > > > > > On 1/10/06, Roger Day wrote: > > > > oh my, ms houlihan, how dost thou hate modernity, let me count the ways: > > > I don't care if she hates modernity really. I just think she needs to get > herself a new problem. This is getting really tedious and predictable. > > --Suzanne > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Tue Jan 10 15:56:34 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:56:34 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs References: <1e3.4a8b8980.30f550fb@aol.com> Message-ID: <007c01c61628$5798ea60$6601a8c0@OldMoleExpress> However, this issue of How Does One Write About Language Poetry From The Outside? remains a ticklish one. Here's a short review I wrote awhile back, for NewPo's predecessor, in which I tried to deal with exactly that issue. I didn't want to simply dismiss it, but I wasn't casually conversant with the vocabulary one uses to discuss it, either. http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/retallack.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Burns To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs On 1/10/06, Roger Day wrote: oh my, ms houlihan, how dost thou hate modernity, let me count the ways: I don't care if she hates modernity really. I just think she needs to get herself a new problem. This is getting really tedious and predictable. --Suzanne ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: AlMaginnes at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs I was trying to write an essay on the futility of poetry camps a while back (I mean I'd rather go to a fantasy baseball camp) and I downloaded a bunch of language poetry which ranged from the indecipherable to the dull and predictable. In that, it had a lot in common with a lot of other poetry. From an MFA who knows how to scan a fucking poem, Al ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's another issue as well, which is the disrespectful pseudo-mysticism that is often attributed to Native Alaskan poets and writers, most (if not all) of it based on stereotypes... Regional painting is similar. If it's on a goldpan or saw blade or the flat side of a fungus then I don't like it or want it. c From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Jan 10 17:06:41 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:06:41 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] PoemHunter References: <00c101c61629$673080e0$6601a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <008901c61632$2483c870$95a93252@ANNY> I think Bill Knott does not like PoemHunter, I have no idea of how they (or who this they is) work. See if Bill Knott answers or is miles and miles away, ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] PoemHunter Adding a few new entries to my Poetry Portraits page, and as those of you who are familiar with it know, I post a few lines from a poem by the subject of the portrait, along with a link to the complete poem -- I use poems that have been posted on the Web -- online journals, the poet's own website, etc. So my question is...what is PoemHunter? Should I link to it? Is it a bandwidth theft site, or is it legitimate? Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: AlMaginnes at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs I was trying to write an essay on the futility of poetry camps a while back (I mean I'd rather go to a fantasy baseball camp) and I downloaded a bunch of language poetry which ranged from the indecipherable to the dull and predictable. In that, it had a lot in common with a lot of other poetry. From an MFA who knows how to scan a fucking poem, Al ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alaskan poets who write about Alaska write-- to > a much greater degree than in the general population-- execrable crap > that gets recognized and printed in Alaska because it is about Alaska. > That's the kind of "regional poetry" I don't like. > > There's another issue as well, which is the disrespectful > pseudo-mysticism that is often attributed to Native Alaskan poets and > writers, most (if not all) of it based on stereotypes... > > Regional painting is similar. If it's on a goldpan or saw blade or the > flat side of a fungus then I don't like it or want it. > > c > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From AlMaginnes at aol.com Tue Jan 10 17:54:34 2006 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:54:34 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] The problem of regionalism Message-ID: <12b.6c3078fb.30f5952a@aol.com> When I lived in Arkansas, you saw a lot of paintings on sawblades. I live in North Carolina where there are entirely too many writers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tad at opus40.org Tue Jan 10 18:52:51 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:52:51 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Portraits References: <74.643b1800.30f53fdf@cs.com><731bb17a0601100907t731949b0w1087aa22090ff08b@mail.gmail.com><9b1b9dab0601101342t3571ae28u27917ebb98423c7a@mail.gmail.com> <008c01c61632$af70a9d0$95a93252@ANNY> Message-ID: <003b01c61640$f81065a0$6601a8c0@OldMoleExpress> New on Poetry Portraits: Amiri Baraka Leslie Adrienne Miller Paul Muldoon Philip Whalen http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/pojazz.html Why these? No reason. From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 10 19:28:09 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:28:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The problem of regionalism References: <74.643b1800.30f53fdf@cs.com><731bb17a0601100907t731949b0w1087aa22090ff08b@mail.gmail.com> <9b1b9dab0601101342t3571ae28u27917ebb98423c7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007401c61645$e8343d50$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> To me, the problem with "regionalism" is poor word-use. "Regionalis" should mean "having a certain clearly recognizable setting." Ergo: a completely neutral term. But people want to use it to mean "provincial," which is stupid. --Bob G. From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 19:59:41 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:59:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] PoemHunter In-Reply-To: <008901c61632$2483c870$95a93252@ANNY> References: <00c101c61629$673080e0$6601a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <008901c61632$2483c870$95a93252@ANNY> Message-ID: <731bb17a0601101659x7e3068caybb61f44cb4bc13ef@mail.gmail.com> I think it's a site where you can submit poems--not your own--and they provide a place for them (the poems). Good Lord, that was an awful sentence. Sorry. Jeff Newberry On 1/10/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > I think Bill Knott does not like PoemHunter, I have no idea of how they > (or who this they is) work. See if Bill Knott answers or is miles and miles > away, > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* TheOldMole > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:04 PM > *Subject:* [New-Poetry] PoemHunter > > Adding a few new entries to my Poetry Portraits page, and as those of you > who are familiar with it know, I post a few lines from a poem by the subject > of the portrait, along with a link to the complete poem -- I use poems that > have been posted on the Web -- online journals, the poet's own website, etc. > > So my question is...what is PoemHunter? Should I link to it? Is it a > bandwidth theft site, or is it legitimate? > > Tad > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* AlMaginnes at aol.com > *To:* new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs > > I was trying to write an essay on the futility of poetry camps a while > back (I mean I'd rather go to a fantasy baseball camp) and I downloaded a > bunch of language poetry which ranged from the indecipherable to the dull > and predictable. In that, it had a lot in common with a lot of other poetry. > > From an MFA who knows how to scan a fucking poem, > > Al > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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PoemHunter.Com without a pause, continues its activities with the active participation of thousands of members." :) As far as I can tell they are one of a number of sites that publish poems of all kinds, in the public domain or not, for an audience ranging from students writing papers to poetry readers of a sort... AmericanPoems.com and Plagiarist.com are similar. c From tad at opus40.org Tue Jan 10 20:33:35 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:33:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] PoemHunter References: <00c101c61629$673080e0$6601a8c0@OldMoleExpress><008901c61632$2483c870$95a93252@ANNY> <731bb17a0601101659x7e3068caybb61f44cb4bc13ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006001c6164f$0aabda60$6601a8c0@OldMoleExpress> So that means it's a copyright violation site, in other words. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Newberry To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] PoemHunter I think it's a site where you can submit poems--not your own--and they provide a place for them (the poems). Good Lord, that was an awful sentence. Sorry. Jeff Newberry On 1/10/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: I think Bill Knott does not like PoemHunter, I have no idea of how they (or who this they is) work. See if Bill Knott answers or is miles and miles away, ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] PoemHunter Adding a few new entries to my Poetry Portraits page, and as those of you who are familiar with it know, I post a few lines from a poem by the subject of the portrait, along with a link to the complete poem -- I use poems that have been posted on the Web -- online journals, the poet's own website, etc. So my question is...what is PoemHunter? Should I link to it? Is it a bandwidth theft site, or is it legitimate? Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: AlMaginnes at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs I was trying to write an essay on the futility of poetry camps a while back (I mean I'd rather go to a fantasy baseball camp) and I downloaded a bunch of language poetry which ranged from the indecipherable to the dull and predictable. In that, it had a lot in common with a lot of other poetry. 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Jeff On 1/11/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > I did it on purpose, it was supposed to show my dislike of the site. > Sorry it disturbed you, but that was exactly what I wanted to do. > > Anny > > > *From:* Jeff Newberry > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:59 AM > > I think it's a site where you can submit poems--not your own--and they > provide a place for them (the poems). > > Good Lord, that was an awful sentence. > > Sorry. > > Jeff Newberry > > On 1/10/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > > > I think Bill Knott does not like PoemHunter, I have no idea of how they > > (or who this they is) work. See if Bill Knott answers or is miles and miles > > away, > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I live in North Carolina where there are entirely too many writers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Wed Jan 11 11:57:42 2006 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:57:42 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] The problem of regionalism Message-ID: <222.615967a.30f69306@aol.com> Maybe if I then used the sawblades... In a message dated 1/11/2006 11:45:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, hruggier at localnet.com writes: I'll bet you could outdo em all if you wrote your poems on sawblades. :} ----- Original Message ----- From: _AlMaginnes at aol.com_ (mailto:AlMaginnes at aol.com) To: _new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu_ (mailto:new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu) Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The problem of regionalism When I lived in Arkansas, you saw a lot of paintings on sawblades. I live in North Carolina where there are entirely too many writers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Jan 11 15:35:15 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:35:15 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on regionalism Message-ID: I think Chris Lott raised a good point--there is a certain brand of bad poetry that is all quaintness and cliche, sentimentally rooted in a particular locale or local culture. As it happens, I'm judging a state poetry society's competition at the moment, and reading quite a few lame poems about the natural beauties and heritage of that particular state. Predictable imagery, stale phrasing, "local color" at its worst-- the weakest of these poems often fail for these reasons. (The state is not Alaska, by the way--so rest assured I'm not reading about Denali sunsets, salmon runs, or the Northern Lights. . . .) And "regionalism" would be a decent enough term to apply to this sort of weak poetry, I suppose, except that what seems weak in them is *not* the attachment to place. Quite the reverse, I would argue: place is not well enough imagined. It's the failure to get beyond stereotype and stale treatment, to see deeply enough and make accurate connections that's the problem, not local themes or settings. What's wrong with these poems has only an incidental relationship to region. In other words, I suspect that these poets would be writing weak poems no matter what the subject. Place, in the deepest & widest sense, is one of the wellsprings of great poetry, it seem to me. The remark that Sam Gwynn quoted from Eliot about Frost is much to the point. Personally, I tend to respond most strongly to poets like Frost and Williams, who make their complex attachment to place in all its forms central to their work. Yet another reason why "regionalism" as a critical category bothers me. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Jan 11 16:38:35 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:38:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on regionalism References: Message-ID: <005101c616f7$61a5d930$30b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> > Yet another reason why "regionalism" as a critical category bothers me. I know this will cause all sorts of teeth-grinding, but it seems to me that a taxonomy of poetry subjects would be useful. Right, no poem is about just one subject, but most poems focus on one general kind of subject. Setting-Dominant Poetry would be my first suggested term for "regionalist poetry." As I write that I remember that some poems that are called regional are not so much about setting as about people of a certain place. Not sure how I'd treat them. --Bob G. From JforJames at aol.com Wed Jan 11 19:26:55 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:26:55 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Happy Birthday, Robin and Phil Message-ID: <77.5404a7f5.30f6fc4f@aol.com> In a message dated 1/10/2006 10:33:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, jeff.newberry at gmail.com writes: my favorite poets, Philip Levine and Robinson Jeffers. Jeff, I share your affinities. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Wed Jan 11 19:48:16 2006 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:48:16 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs Message-ID: <22a.48505a3.30f70150@aol.com> My MFA program wasn't strictly fomalist (I mean CD Wright got her MFA there for God's sake as well as Tony Tost), but we were definitely required to know how to scan and explicate a poem, and that's something anyone who wants to call him or herself a poet needs to know how to do. In a message dated 1/11/2006 7:45:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, JforJames at aol.com writes: Yes, the supply fills the demand. No one is stopping a few poets from organizing an MFA program with a strictly formalist program of training. (It could have scansion drill sargeants.) The West Chester Conference is an example of a writing convocation centered around the formal and narrative work. I've wondered why there are few (maybe none) langauge poetry writers conferences? Maybe it's because no can teach/mentor it and maybe it's because no would come. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Wed Jan 11 20:08:13 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:08:13 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs Message-ID: <277.3093ff5.30f705fd@aol.com> In a message dated 1/11/2006 7:48:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlMaginnes at aol.com writes: but we were definitely required to know how to scan and explicate a poem, and that's something anyone who wants to call him or herself a poet needs to know how to do. Al, I've nothing against scansion or explication, but I can't agree they're required of anyone but a scansionist or explicator, respectively. The poet must only write (or say) things recognized as poems. But that gets into the morass of definitons again. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Wed Jan 11 20:47:19 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:47:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs References: <27c.3ece3cc.30f700ae@aol.com> Message-ID: <006901c6171a$1fd37c60$6601a8c0@OldMoleExpress> I've wondered why there are few (maybe none) langauge poetry writers conferences? Maybe it's because no can teach/mentor it and maybe it's because no would come. Finnegan Not so sure on this. I'm told that the Iowa Workshop is essentially all language poets these days. I wonder what a workshop session is like? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ernst, Christine Kennedy and David Kennedy, P.R.Primeau, Lawrence Upton, Martin Zet and Harriet Zines. Editors Zoe Skoulding and Ian Davidson. ?2.50, 4 euros or $5 including postage from: 6, Hill Street, Menai Bridge, Anglesey, Wales, LL59 5AG, UK, Also still available: Special Issue. On Wales ? a mini anthology (32pp) featuring work by Tom Raworth, Peter Riley, Ralph Hawkins, John James, Wendy Mulford, Denise Riley, Lee Harwood, Andrew Duncan. Issue 18 Caroline Bergvall, Menna Elfyn, Carol Rumens, Peter Finch, David Greenslade, Bill Griffiths etc. Issue 20 ? Tenth Anniversary Issue. Issue 21 Special Translation Issue All at ?2.50, 4 euros or 5 dollars including postage Or Special Offer All 5 issues for ?10.00, 16 euros or $20. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Carried off we might be in spirit, and should be, when we are reading or writing something good; but it is the sense of place going with us still that is the ball of golden thread to carry us there and back and in every sense of the word to bring us home. --Eudora Welty. "Place in Fiction." The Eye of The Story: Selected Essays & Reviews. NY: Vintage, 1979. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From queenmouse at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 22:13:08 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:13:08 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs In-Reply-To: <006901c6171a$1fd37c60$6601a8c0@OldMoleExpress> References: <27c.3ece3cc.30f700ae@aol.com> <006901c6171a$1fd37c60$6601a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: > none) langauge poetry writers conferences? Maybe it's because no > can teach/mentor it and maybe it's because no would come. > Finnegan > > I don't know of any programs that advertise themselves as being specifically for language poetry, but there are certainly a number of programs which lean toward experimental work and attract students whose interests are firmly in that camp, as opposed to what Silliman calls the School of Quietude. Bard College's low residency program is a good example, and, though it isn't an MFA program, there is the University of Buffalo. I am also told that Brown is very LangPo friendly, though I know that Wright and Gander resist those labels. When I was at UMass there was a huge interest in LangPo and experimentation in general, largely as a reaction against what felt like the standard confessional tradition, and egged on strongly by James Tate and, for the semester she was there, Carolyn Forche. --Suzanne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 22:53:57 2006 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:53:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs In-Reply-To: <22a.48505a3.30f70150@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060112035357.10494.qmail@web81110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As far as scanning goes, I never got it right. I was from the south, getting a degree in the north, and my teacher was not kind about my odd, slow rhythm and where I placed my emphasis. My tests on scanning were C's at best. At best. Annie Finch has since instructed me, from a distance, to work on my ear because 'it's good but could be improved.' Carl Dennis didn't know what to do with me besides be patient and ask lots of questions. Irving Feldman desparately wanted to give me extra instruction (we lived around the corner from each other). Charles Bernstein and Susan Howe wholeheartedly encouraged the whole way through (with instruction). Lou Asekoff and Ron Padgett were the same, if possible, moreso (also with guidance). I don't know how well "programs" can make a poet, esp. one with a good ear. I lean towards the inclination that "formal" is somewhat subjective and about who you know & run with (i.e. associated with). After all, measure is a societally-agreed upon and *enforced* condition. Like all forms and cadences, the popular ones of the day have origins... Which may explain the poet I am today. AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: My MFA program wasn't strictly fomalist (I mean CD Wright got her MFA there for God's sake as well as Tony Tost), but we were definitely required to know how to scan and explicate a poem, and that's something anyone who wants to call him or herself a poet needs to know how to do. In a message dated 1/11/2006 7:45:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, JforJames at aol.com writes: Yes, the supply fills the demand. No one is stopping a few poets from organizing an MFA program with a strictly formalist program of training. (It could have scansion drill sargeants.) The West Chester Conference is an example of a writing convocation centered around the formal and narrative work. I've wondered why there are few (maybe none) langauge poetry writers conferences? Maybe it's because no can teach/mentor it and maybe it's because no would come. Finnegan _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 22:57:24 2006 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:57:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Angelina Jolie is pregnant, and Ted Kooser In-Reply-To: <22a.48505a3.30f70150@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060112035724.68655.qmail@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> is at it again! In a new interview today ... is no one else bugged ------>http://www.amyking.org/blog/ ? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Editors Zoe Skoulding and Ian Davidson. ?2.50, 4 euros or $5 including postage from: 6, Hill Street, Menai Bridge, Anglesey, Wales, LL59 5AG, UK, Also still available: Special Issue. On Wales ? a mini anthology (32pp) featuring work by Tom Raworth, Peter Riley, Ralph Hawkins, John James, Wendy Mulford, Denise Riley, Lee Harwood, Andrew Duncan. Issue 18 Caroline Bergvall, Menna Elfyn, Carol Rumens, Peter Finch, David Greenslade, Bill Griffiths etc. Issue 20 ? Tenth Anniversary Issue. Issue 21 Special Translation Issue All at ?2.50, 4 euros or 5 dollars including postage Or Special Offer All 5 issues for ?10.00, 16 euros or $20. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just read the poem out loud as if you were very annoyed with a very irritating small child, and you will get it right every time. Get them to scan their names, and they will be like ducks to water. ("Okay, everyone who is a trochee raise their hand!") As for explication... uhmmmmm, that's basically reading the poem and understanding what's happening in it, right? If they aren't doing that in English class, what in the sam hill are they doing? I brought Hart Crane (Chaplinesque) into an eighth grade class once. The teacher was completely frustrated because he did not understand what the poem was about, and couldn't explicate it in the way he was accustomed, but the students loved it. Suzanne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bear in mind his classmates were from yale, Brown etc. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Burns Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:48:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] More on MFA Programs On 1/12/06, AlMaginnes at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/12/2006 6:04:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net writes: I would wonder about needing an MFA program to learn scansion and explication. The first is taught in middle schools or earlier, and the second in grade school (it's called reading). Not in hte middle schools (we called it junior high back hten) or grammar schools I went to, but I moved a lot. Maybe I missed it. I was taught scansion in eighth grade-- but then I had nuns. They also taught how to write in a neat cursive hand. Scansion is actually very fun and easy to teach to little kids. Its not difficult. Just read the poem out loud as if you were very annoyed with a very irritating small child, and you will get it right every time. Get them to scan their names, and they will be like ducks to water. ("Okay, everyone who is a trochee raise their hand!") As for explication... uhmmmmm, that's basically reading the poem and understanding what's happening in it, right? If they aren't doing that in English class, what in the sam hill are they doing? I brought Hart Crane (Chaplinesque) into an eighth grade class once. The teacher was completely frustrated because he did not understand what the poem was about, and couldn't explicate it in the way he was accustomed, but the students loved it. Suzanne _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Enfin, nous avons, pour noyer Le vertige dans le d?lire, Nous, pr?tre orgueilleux de la Lyre, Dont la gloire est de d?ployer L'ivresse des choses fun?bres, Bu sans soif et mang? sans faim!... - Vite soufflons la lampe, afin De nous cacher dans les t?n?bres! Charles Baudelaire Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 11:21:38 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:21:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] On Poetry Message-ID: <731bb17a0601130821p14ba8492lf9ef0337040a830f@mail.gmail.com> 'I sometimes find the whole protocol of writing a poem strange and presumptuous. One is meant to speak for humankind but has, by definition, carved out a lonely space, a life that doesn't feel like anyone else's.' ? Glyn Maxwell, *The Daily Telegraph*, 20 August 2005 http://www.poems.com/essaodr7.htm Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Jan 14 10:39:00 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:39:00 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] for those in New York, NY Message-ID: <008001c61920$a5ff2ed0$63de3052@ANNY> otherwise there is the short video, and some patience to download it: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us for an evening of live music at Dactyl Foundation with Fredo Viola Thursday, January 19th 8-9PM Dactyl Foundation for the Arts & Humanities 64 Grand Street (Between Wooster and West Broadway) in SoHo, NYC 212 219-2344 suggested donation $10, free to members RSVP to email at dactyl.org You may have seen Fredo's The Sad Song video at our film shorts presentation last year. That music video has since earned him a national reputation as an independent and original composer. The five-screen video, which visually renders his multi-layered vocals, was created entirely using 15 second jpg movies from Fredo's little Nikon Coolpix 775 still camera, reconstructed in AfterEffects. See the incredible music video at http://www.aviola.com/the_sad_song.html The Sad Song started out as an improvised melody and counter melody after Fredo learned that his dog had cancer. The improv remained on his hard drive for nearly two years undeveloped. Then his father died of cancer. When he returned to the track, "the melody acted like those floatation devices used to bring heavy sunken objects up from the bottom of the ocean, and up came my emotions." More info: http://fredoviola.com/fredo_at_dactyl.html Hope you can make it. I'll be there (with my family) and Neil Grayson will be there too. If you're receiving this and you're not in NY, Fredo's CD is available for purchase on his website. Best, Tori Alexander Victoria N. Alexander, Ph.D. Dactyl Foundation for the Arts & Humanities 64 Grand Street New York, NY 10013 212 219 2344 www.dactyl.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finnegan In a message dated 1/12/2006 6:06:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, anny.ballardini at tin.it writes: First Issue of Oregon Literary Review, "an online collection of literature, hypertext, art, music, and hypermedia." http://www.oregonlitrev.org/v1n1/OregonLiteraryReview.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Jan 14 16:32:47 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:32:47 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] 10,000 poems from Eric Dickey Message-ID: <015f01c61952$126799f0$63de3052@ANNY> http://www.10000poems.com/ As a part of the Steinbeck Chair program, we are looking for all kinds of poets - school students to retirees, novice beginners to published Pulitzer Prize-winning poets to create 10,000 poems over one year. We are looking for writers from diverse perspectives and backgrounds. Poems can reflect the rich cultural heritage of the Salinas Valley or are representative of the specific place you call home. The 10,000 Poems Project seeks to celebrate the lives of our fellow residents and their personal journeys. Poems can be on whatever topic you wish, and do not need to relate to or mention John Steinbeck. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trust that some place in the back of your skull there will be the crack of a lash of nerves, without malice, in an instant of pure instinct, causing your arm to reach out with that huge paw of yours, the same hand that mistakenly killed your own pet mouse, will grasp Curley?s fist, hard, making of it a mush of splintered bone. America, crush not what you can, but what you must. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sat Jan 14 20:42:15 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:42:15 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Grolier Poetry Prize - now $1000; please send on Message-ID: <1e0.4be9c954.30fb0277@aol.com> In a message dated 1/14/2006 11:45:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, GrolierPoetry at cs.com writes: Grolier Poetry Prize - now $1000; please send on: 2006 GROLIER POETRY PRIZE ELLEN LA FORGE MEMORIAL POETRY FOUNDATION, INC. 6 Plympton St., Cambridge MA 02138. (617) 547-4648. E-mail: grolierpoetry at cs.com; website: www.grolierpoetrybookshop.com. The Grolier Poetry Prize, established in 1974, is open to all poets who have not published either a vanity, small press, trade, or chapbook of poetry. One poet receives an honorarium of $1,000. Up to six poems by the winner and four by each of three runners-up are chosen for publication in the Grolier Poetry Prize Annual. Submissions must be unpublished and may not be submitted elsewhere. Submit up to 6 poems, not more than 12 double-spaced pages. Submit one ms in duplicate, without name of poet. On a separate sheet give name, address, phone number, and titles of poems. Only one submission/contestant; mss are not returned. For updated guidelines, send SASE to Ellen La Forge Memorial Poetry Foundation or check e-mail before submitting ms. Entry fee: $10, includes copy of Annual. Make checks payable to the Ellen La Forge Memorial Poetry Foundation, Inc. Enclose self-addressed stamped postcard for acknowledgment of receipt. Opens Feb. 1. Deadline: June 30. Winner and runners-up will be selected and informed in early September. Copies of the Annual available from the Grolier Poetry Book Shop at the above address. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sat Jan 14 20:58:44 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:58:44 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Irving Layton obit Message-ID: <2ce.1a9e812.30fb0654@aol.com> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/state/la-me-layton14jan14,0,2108816.story?co ll=la-news-state Irving Layton, 93; Outspoken Writer Transformed Canadian Poetry With Provocative, Gritty, Erotic Works >From Times Staff and Wire Reports Irving Layton, an internationally known Canadian writer who published about 50 books of poetry and prose over more than five decades and became one of his country's top poets, has died. He was 93. Diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease in 1994, Layton died Jan. 4 in a long-term care facility in Montreal. He had also suffered from Parkinson's disease. Controversial and outspoken, Layton wrote angry, gritty, romantic and erotic poems in an attempt to, in his words, "disturb the accumulated complacencies of people." He criticized Canadians for blandness and dullness and insulted religion. He lashed out at the Holocaust and all forms of hatred and racism. Layton seemed to revel in his raucous reputation. The more critics sneered, the more provocative and abrasive he became. "I am a genius who has written poems that will survive with the best of Shakespeare, Wordsworth and Keats," Layton said in 1972. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You eat too much, you take up too much space. Dumb as dirt, you break the backs of the things you love. But, America, you must always be a Lennie. Must let yourself be pushed, fall back on your heels, get beaten about the face. Let Curley break your nose, blood pouring from the left nostril to fill the corner of a smile, as still you try to make friends. Though in tears, allow the fury of his blows to tear into you. Trust that some place in the back of your skull there will be the crack of a lash of nerves, without malice, in an instant of pure instinct, causing your arm to reach out with that huge paw of yours, the same hand that mistakenly killed your own pet mouse, will grasp Curley?s fist, hard, making of it a mush of splintered bone. America, crush not what you can, but what you must. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsillima at yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 06:31:42 2006 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:31:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060116113143.69703.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Poets who died young ? Samuel Greenberg, 1894-1917 52 neglected poets (at least in the eyes of Dan and Jessica Schneider) The First Hay(na)ku Anthology ? A stanza, not a poem Cinema as painting ? 2046 by Kar Wai Wong Metro by Curtis Faville Starred Wire by Ange Mlinko: Writing, the New York School and why aesthetic consistency is not voice Ken Rumble on Lucifer Poetics ? Writing & community in North Carolina Blogs, listservs, poetry and modes of discourse Larry Eigner and the problem of improving as one matures as a poet Allen Fisher and Place ? An epic poem in Britain The poetry of Jonathan Greene ? Zen Objectivism deep in Kentucky Larry Fagin offers a list of poets and books that have been neglected http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From JforJames at aol.com Mon Jan 16 10:46:05 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:46:05 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... Message-ID: <2d8.de21c2.30fd19bd@aol.com> "A good poem is a contribution to reality. The world is never the same once a good poem has been added to it. A good poem helps to change the shape of the universe, helps to extend everyone's knowledge of himself and the world around him." --Dylan Thomas (this quote is all over the net, but I couldn't find the source) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Jan 16 10:52:55 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:52:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... In-Reply-To: <2d8.de21c2.30fd19bd@aol.com> References: <2d8.de21c2.30fd19bd@aol.com> Message-ID: Nice thought, but it's also true for bad poems, bad presidents, etc. etc. Even indifferent ones. Hal On Jan 16, 2006, at 10:46 AM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > "A good poem is a contribution to reality. The world is never the > same once a good > poem has been added to it. A good poem helps to change the shape of > the universe, helps to extend everyone's knowledge of himself and > the world around him." > --Dylan Thomas > > (this quote is all over the net, but I couldn't find the source) > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry "Prediction is difficult, especially of the future." --Mark Twain (also attr. to Niels Bohr) Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net halvard at gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Mon Jan 16 14:12:26 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:12:26 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... Message-ID: <15b.5f7be8cc.30fd4a1a@aol.com> I see what you're saying, Hal...and of course 'good' is a subjective word, but I think the 'bad poem' has little impact on the world at large, has little chance to pervade, even slightly, a shared or collective consciousness. A 'bad poem' is too easily forgotten/dismissed, don't you think? I guess I'd lean on that word "added" as suggesting 'value added'. Finnegan In a message dated 1/16/2006 10:53:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, halvard at earthlink.net writes: Nice thought, but it's also true for bad poems, bad presidents, etc. etc. Even indifferent ones. Hal On Jan 16, 2006, at 10:46 AM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: "A good poem is a contribution to reality. The world is never the same once a good poem has been added to it. A good poem helps to change the shape of the universe, helps to extend everyone's knowledge of himself and the world around him." --Dylan Thomas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Jan 16 16:00:29 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:00:29 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... In-Reply-To: <15b.5f7be8cc.30fd4a1a@aol.com> References: <15b.5f7be8cc.30fd4a1a@aol.com> Message-ID: I guess the contributions of good and bad are about equal in the end. Hal On Jan 16, 2006, at 2:12 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > I see what you're saying, Hal...and of course 'good' is a subjective > word, but I think the 'bad poem' has little impact on the world > at large, has little chance to pervade, even slightly, a shared or > collective consciousness. > A 'bad poem' is too easily forgotten/dismissed, don't you think? > I guess I'd lean on that word "added" as suggesting 'value added'. > Finnegan > > In a message dated 1/16/2006 10:53:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, > halvard at earthlink.net writes: > Nice thought, but it's also true for bad poems, bad presidents, > etc. etc. > Even indifferent ones. > > Hal > > On Jan 16, 2006, at 10:46 AM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > >> >> "A good poem is a contribution to reality. The world is never the >> same once a good >> poem has been added to it. A good poem helps to change the shape >> of the universe, helps to extend everyone's knowledge of himself >> and the world around him." >> --Dylan Thomas > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry "If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't." --Lyall Watson Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net halvard at gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 16:13:32 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:13:32 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... In-Reply-To: References: <15b.5f7be8cc.30fd4a1a@aol.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0601161313y29548efgcc8f19355df3fe87@mail.gmail.com> On 1/16/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > I guess the contributions of good and bad are about equal > in the end. Do you really think so? Will it get repeated to others and shared? Will it get read to children or at a wedding or a funeral? Will it get passed on, copied, written down, saved, blogged, emailed? If you really believe that, what are we to make of your sharing of others poems... will a bad poem make Hal's regular "poems by others" contribution list? Why do you select at all? c From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Jan 16 16:13:14 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:13:14 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... References: <2d8.de21c2.30fd19bd@aol.com> Message-ID: <004801c61ae1$abafd970$b0aa3852@ANNY> thank you James, I (value) _added_ it to the Corner: http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1289 or on the main index under New Poetry Mailing List: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content take care, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... "A good poem is a contribution to reality. The world is never the same once a good poem has been added to it. A good poem helps to change the shape of the universe, helps to extend everyone's knowledge of himself and the world around him." --Dylan Thomas (this quote is all over the net, but I couldn't find the source) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Jan 16 16:32:03 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:32:03 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0601161313y29548efgcc8f19355df3fe87@mail.gmail.com> References: <15b.5f7be8cc.30fd4a1a@aol.com> <9b1b9dab0601161313y29548efgcc8f19355df3fe87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <972BE533-BF8A-4148-81ED-947D6973C8C4@earthlink.net> On Jan 16, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Chris Lott wrote: > On 1/16/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: >> I guess the contributions of good and bad are about equal >> in the end. > > Do you really think so? Will it get repeated to others and shared? > Will it get read to children or at a wedding or a funeral? Will it get > passed on, copied, written down, saved, blogged, emailed? > > If you really believe that, what are we to make of your sharing of > others > poems... will a bad poem make Hal's regular "poems by others" > contribution list? Why do you select at all? > > c So many questions, so little time. ;) The answers, in order, are yes, yes, yes, yes, I don't know (the ... one), yes, and, finally, why not? "Way down the deserted street, I thought I saw a bus which, with luck, might get me out of this sentence . . ." --Rosmarie Waldrop Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net halvard at gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr.html From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Jan 16 16:59:14 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:59:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... References: <15b.5f7be8cc.30fd4a1a@aol.com><9b1b9dab0601161313y29548efgcc8f19355df3fe87@mail.gmail.com> <972BE533-BF8A-4148-81ED-947D6973C8C4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002501c61ae8$17993810$a6b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I'm with Chris on this one. Bad poems are almost by definition poems that are too unoriginal to have any effect. However widely circulated. --Bob G. From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Jan 16 22:16:25 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:16:25 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Recording poetry In-Reply-To: <30CA3ED510E3BE4C9E3C15ADC8603F690B4C37@URANIUM.ripon.college> Message-ID: ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Tilar J. Mazzeo [mailto:tjmazzeo at colby.edu] Sent: Fri 1/13/2006 6:15 PM To: tjmazzeo at colby.edu Subject: Romantic Poetry in the new year Dear Poets, Here at the beginning of the year, when we are all feeling energized, I wanted to write to renew the standing invitation to record a reading for the Poets on Poets archive at Romantic Circles. You can check out the site, which we now pod-cast weekly and which has over 40 readings by contemporary poets at http://www.rc.umd.edu/editions/poets/. We are immensely pleased to report that Romantic Circles is currently delivering over 240,000 pages of content to users around the world each month and that the Poets on Poets archive has been one of the most popular parts of the site. If you are interested in recording a poem, I can send along some recording suggestions and help in the process. If you're swamped, no troubles--a standing invitation. And please help spread the word to other poets who might be interested in contributing. 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(Hey, F P-K only rates 18 hits on google. Weird. Or have I misspelled her name?) What about U.A.Fanthorpe or Anne Stevenson or Jenny Joseph or ... ? HOWL!!!! Outraged In England From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 17 10:47:10 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:47:10 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize References: <005001c61bb4$d836efa0$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <083b01c61b7d$7453d1b0$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Rob I've gone beyond outrage with these things in Britland: it's more like speechless despair. Best dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Hamilton" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize > << > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JforJames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:57 AM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize > > > http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/news/article339116.ece > Judges in rapture as poet Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize > >> > > Oh god preserve us, the end of civilisation as we know it! > > I'd rather (seriously) have seen it awarded to Wendy Cope. Or Fiona > Pitt-Keithley, who is a class act. > > (Hey, F P-K only rates 18 hits on google. Weird. Or have I misspelled her > name?) > > What about U.A.Fanthorpe or Anne Stevenson or Jenny Joseph or ... ? > > HOWL!!!! > > Outraged In England > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From clitophon at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 10:59:55 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:59:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women In-Reply-To: <083b01c61b7d$7453d1b0$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <20060117155955.86581.qmail@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> these middle-class women writers are all much of a muchness and really not even much better than their male middle class counterparts. Especially Wendy Cope who I just can't take at all. I can just imagine the kind of cloistered lifestyle and middle class chums and all the rest of the load of total fuckin' gobshite that must infest her life. This morning I received a review copy from Penbury press, Edinburgh. Has anyone any info about this outfit? and I still haven't written my review of 'The Wounded Surgeon' but I did see 'Sylvia' on tele on Sat night. Somehow digital has resurrected my pleasure of living and reminded me that the past was not all grimy and horrible. By the way, I'm Paul Murphy and I'm still alive and I hope you are too. The Engine has ceased to be, but only in a very narrow existentialist sense. It still exists but only at the very limits of the fetid brainpan that I happen to be loaded or left with. I've been published in ORBIS and ENVOI and some other (rather naff) journals, but internationally. Even in India and Outer Timbucktoo. My hero is Rimbaud but I lack the gall or balls to try a trek to Outer Mongolia or even Outer Ballyhackamore. I have publishers but I've mostly alienated them or been the victim of their friends, fox hunting women. --- David Bircumshaw wrote: > Rob > > I've gone beyond outrage with these things in > Britland: it's more like > speechless despair. > > Best > > dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Hamilton" > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize > > > > << > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: JforJames at aol.com > > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:57 AM > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize > > > > > > > http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/news/article339116.ece > > Judges in rapture as poet Duffy wins T S Eliot > Prize > > >> > > > > Oh god preserve us, the end of civilisation as we > know it! > > > > I'd rather (seriously) have seen it awarded to > Wendy Cope. Or Fiona > > Pitt-Keithley, who is a class act. > > > > (Hey, F P-K only rates 18 hits on google. Weird. > Or have I misspelled > her > > name?) > > > > What about U.A.Fanthorpe or Anne Stevenson or > Jenny Joseph or ... ? > > > > HOWL!!!! > > > > Outraged In England > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 17 11:09:03 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:09:03 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women References: <20060117155955.86581.qmail@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <085b01c61b80$56230fa0$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> You are right Paul to put the finger on what cripples Brit literary life: class. best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Murphy" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women > these middle-class women writers are all much of a > muchness and really not even much better than their > male middle class counterparts. Especially Wendy Cope > who I just can't take at all. I can just imagine the > kind of cloistered lifestyle and middle class chums > and all the rest of the load of total fuckin' gobshite > that must infest her life. > > This morning I received a review copy from Penbury > press, Edinburgh. Has anyone any info about this > outfit? > > and I still haven't written my review of 'The Wounded > Surgeon' but I did see 'Sylvia' on tele on Sat night. > Somehow digital has resurrected my pleasure of living > and reminded me that the past was not all grimy and > horrible. > > By the way, I'm Paul Murphy and I'm still alive and I > hope you are too. > > The Engine has ceased to be, but only in a very narrow > existentialist sense. It still exists but only at the > very limits of the fetid brainpan that I happen to be > loaded or left with. > > I've been published in ORBIS and ENVOI and some other > (rather naff) journals, but internationally. Even in > India and Outer Timbucktoo. My hero is Rimbaud but I > lack the gall or balls to try a trek to Outer Mongolia > or even Outer Ballyhackamore. I have publishers but > I've mostly alienated them or been the victim of their > friends, fox hunting women. > > --- David Bircumshaw > wrote: > > > Rob > > > > I've gone beyond outrage with these things in > > Britland: it's more like > > speechless despair. > > > > Best > > > > dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robin Hamilton" > > > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize > > > > > > > << > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: JforJames at aol.com > > > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:57 AM > > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize > > > > > > > > > > > > http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/news/article339116.ece > > > Judges in rapture as poet Duffy wins T S Eliot > > Prize > > > >> > > > > > > Oh god preserve us, the end of civilisation as we > > know it! > > > > > > I'd rather (seriously) have seen it awarded to > > Wendy Cope. Or Fiona > > > Pitt-Keithley, who is a class act. > > > > > > (Hey, F P-K only rates 18 hits on google. Weird. > > Or have I misspelled > > her > > > name?) > > > > > > What about U.A.Fanthorpe or Anne Stevenson or > > Jenny Joseph or ... ? > > > > > > HOWL!!!! > > > > > > Outraged In England > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From clitophon at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 12:01:55 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:01:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] les chimeras In-Reply-To: <085b01c61b80$56230fa0$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <20060117170156.2746.qmail@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> yes, I think that's true but there are chimeras (unresolvable or paradoxical and fantastical productions of the imagination). These critters take the heat off class and displace it through foaming pipes (narrowly constructed and tied up with bits of elastic). In short, the ghost in the machine, the non-pattern in the albino gorilla. 'That which was once mad is now a U bend pipe.' (I said this but am passing it off as a very old piece of received wisdom.) --- David Bircumshaw wrote: > You are right Paul to put the finger on what > cripples Brit literary life: > class. > > best > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Murphy" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:59 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women > > > > these middle-class women writers are all much of a > > muchness and really not even much better than > their > > male middle class counterparts. Especially Wendy > Cope > > who I just can't take at all. I can just imagine > the > > kind of cloistered lifestyle and middle class > chums > > and all the rest of the load of total fuckin' > gobshite > > that must infest her life. > > > > This morning I received a review copy from Penbury > > press, Edinburgh. Has anyone any info about this > > outfit? > > > > and I still haven't written my review of 'The > Wounded > > Surgeon' but I did see 'Sylvia' on tele on Sat > night. > > Somehow digital has resurrected my pleasure of > living > > and reminded me that the past was not all grimy > and > > horrible. > > > > By the way, I'm Paul Murphy and I'm still alive > and I > > hope you are too. > > > > The Engine has ceased to be, but only in a very > narrow > > existentialist sense. It still exists but only at > the > > very limits of the fetid brainpan that I happen to > be > > loaded or left with. > > > > I've been published in ORBIS and ENVOI and some > other > > (rather naff) journals, but internationally. Even > in > > India and Outer Timbucktoo. My hero is Rimbaud > but I > > lack the gall or balls to try a trek to Outer > Mongolia > > or even Outer Ballyhackamore. I have publishers > but > > I've mostly alienated them or been the victim of > their > > friends, fox hunting women. > > > > --- David Bircumshaw > > > wrote: > > > > > Rob > > > > > > I've gone beyond outrage with these things in > > > Britland: it's more like > > > speechless despair. > > > > > > Best > > > > > > dave > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robin Hamilton" > > > > > > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News > &Views" > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot > Prize > > > > > > > > > > << > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: JforJames at aol.com > > > > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:57 AM > > > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot > Prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/news/article339116.ece > > > > Judges in rapture as poet Duffy wins T S Eliot > > > Prize > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Oh god preserve us, the end of civilisation as > we > > > know it! > > > > > > > > I'd rather (seriously) have seen it awarded to > > > Wendy Cope. Or Fiona > > > > Pitt-Keithley, who is a class act. > > > > > > > > (Hey, F P-K only rates 18 hits on google. > Weird. > > > Or have I misspelled > > > her > > > > name?) > > > > > > > > What about U.A.Fanthorpe or Anne Stevenson or > > > Jenny Joseph or ... ? > > > > > > > > HOWL!!!! > > > > > > > > Outraged In England > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Tue Jan 17 12:53:36 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:53:36 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/2006 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time, david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com writes: > You are right Paul to put the finger on what cripples Brit literary life: > class. > > best > > Dave This would have to be a very large finger indeed. Not what I'd call pinpoint perspicacity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.peverett at ukonline.co.uk Tue Jan 17 12:55:26 2006 From: m.peverett at ukonline.co.uk (m.peverett at ukonline.co.uk) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:55:26 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize In-Reply-To: <083b01c61b7d$7453d1b0$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> References: <005001c61bb4$d836efa0$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> <083b01c61b7d$7453d1b0$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <1137520526.43cd2f8e84dee@webmail.ukonline.net> Yes indeed Robin, my erstwhile co-resident in St Leonards on Sea was Fiona Pitt-Kethley, not Keithley. I didn't know her to speak to but I remember the glamorously weird effect of Fiona P-K and Jeremy Reed sweeping into the St Leonards' Society one evening on the sea-front - they were dressed like Spiders from Mars - JR was there to read from "Nineties", and he met with a solid wall of hostility, mainly because he chose to read all the poems without expression. I agree with you and David of course. Robert Potts has quite a nice article on the prize here: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5374664-102280,00.html (I don't like it when it rises to virtuous literary history at the end, but the rest is good.) Michael Quoting David Bircumshaw : > Rob > > I've gone beyond outrage with these things in Britland: it's more like > speechless despair. > > Best > > dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Hamilton" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize > > > > << > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: JforJames at aol.com > > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:57 AM > > Subject: [New-Poetry] Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize > > > > > > http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/news/article339116.ece > > Judges in rapture as poet Duffy wins T S Eliot Prize > > >> > > > > Oh god preserve us, the end of civilisation as we know it! > > > > I'd rather (seriously) have seen it awarded to Wendy Cope. Or Fiona > > Pitt-Keithley, who is a class act. > > > > (Hey, F P-K only rates 18 hits on google. Weird. Or have I misspelled > her > > name?) > > > > What about U.A.Fanthorpe or Anne Stevenson or Jenny Joseph or ... ? > > > > HOWL!!!! > > > > Outraged In England > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From clitophon at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 13:21:13 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:21:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060117182113.62334.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> my fingers so large I can stick it up my ass and draw it out my nose. Are you offended? I hope so. --- Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/17/2006 10:08:33 AM Central > Standard Time, > david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com writes: > > You are right Paul to put the finger on what > cripples Brit literary life: > > class. > > > > best > > > > Dave > > This would have to be a very large finger indeed. > Not what I'd call pinpoint > perspicacity. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Tue Jan 17 13:23:57 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:23:57 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women Message-ID: <20d.1104ba1f.30fe903d@cs.com> In a message dated 1/17/2006 12:21:51 PM Central Standard Time, clitophon at yahoo.com writes: > X-INFO: INVALID TO LINE > my fingers so large I can stick it up my ass and draw > it out my nose. Are you offended? I hope so. > > --- Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > > >In a message dated 1/17/2006 10:08:33 AM Central > >Standard Time, > >david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com writes: > >>You are right Paul to put the finger on what > >cripples Brit literary life: > >>class. > >> > >>best > >> > >>Dave > > > >This would have to be a very large finger indeed. > >Not what I'd call pinpoint > >perspicacity. > >>_______________________________________________ > >New-Poetry mailing list > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > Do you still have enough left to put it on something a little more specific? I mean, saying that class is a problem in British poetry is like saying that race is a problem in American life. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 17 13:49:09 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:49:09 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women References: <20d.1104ba1f.30fe903d@cs.com> Message-ID: <089c01c61b96$b40fda60$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> >Do you still have enough left to put it on something a little more specific? I mean, saying that class is a problem in British poetry is like saying that race is a problem in American life.< Actually you've hit the nail on the head there: true. ( race is becoming a bit of a problem but class supersedes it, even among the ethnic minorities) From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women In a message dated 1/17/2006 12:21:51 PM Central Standard Time, clitophon at yahoo.com writes: X-INFO: INVALID TO LINE my fingers so large I can stick it up my ass and draw it out my nose. Are you offended? I hope so. --- Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/17/2006 10:08:33 AM Central >Standard Time, >david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com writes: >>You are right Paul to put the finger on what >cripples Brit literary life: >>class. >> >>best >> >>Dave > >This would have to be a very large finger indeed. >Not what I'd call pinpoint >perspicacity. >>_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Do you still have enough left to put it on something a little more specific? I mean, saying that class is a problem in British poetry is like saying that race is a problem in American life. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jan 17 14:43:56 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:43:56 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women In-Reply-To: <20d.1104ba1f.30fe903d@cs.com> Message-ID: Better yet, in my view: how about we look at some poems by Duffy and (for contrast) anyone else our U.K. subscribers would care to put up against her? The poets mentioned so far are not household names here in the U.S., for the most part--even Duffy herself, though she has a growing reputation, it seems. =========================== On 1/17/06 12:23 PM, "Rsgwynn1 at cs.com" wrote: >> Do you still have enough left to put it on something a little more specific? >> I mean, saying that class is a problem in British poetry is like saying that >> race is a problem in American life. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 17 23:14:52 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:14:52 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women References: Message-ID: <00a501c61be5$bb4ca160$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> fox hunting women<< From: David Graham Better yet, in my view: how about we look at some poems by Duffy and (for contrast) anyone else our U.K. subscribers would care to put up against her? The poets mentioned so far are not household names here in the U.S., for the most part--even Duffy herself, though she has a growing reputation, it seems. >> Excellent idea, David. I'm reluctant to post a poem by Duffy as (like dave) I'm utterly out of sympathy with her work, so this would be better coming from someone more in tune with her. If there is anyone on the list who is. I'll post Anne Stevenson's "The Fiction Makers" and U.A.Fanthorpe's "Not My Best Side" when I get a moment (I'm in the middle of working on a pamphlet of poems by Patrick McManus, illustrated by Judy Prince, just now -- EndAdvert for Phantom Rooster Press) unless anyone has other suggestions? Maybe Michael Peverett could post a poem by Fiona Pitt-Kethley, as I don't have any of her books to hand. (She reminds me a bit of Rob Minhinik in his raunchier moments.) Robin Hamilton From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 17 23:22:50 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:22:50 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Private -- New List Member References: <23d.5237a60.30f85f51@aol.com> Message-ID: <00c601c61be6$d81460c0$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Jim, It occurred to me that it might be worthwhile giving you a heads-up on Paul Murphy. He's caused problems on some other lists I've been on. Anyway, just a quiet warning in case you haven't encountered him before, and it may be unnecessary, so I won't say any more. I'm not sure who else on New Poetry would have -- dave bircumshaw, certainly, Roger Day maybe. Cheers, Robin From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 17 23:27:17 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:27:17 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Private -- New List Member References: <23d.5237a60.30f85f51@aol.com> <00c601c61be6$d81460c0$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <00d901c61be7$77833280$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Ooops. Sorry. :-( RH From JforJames at aol.com Tue Jan 17 16:23:51 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:23:51 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] no plash for her Message-ID: <149.5489d80d.30feba67@aol.com> ?I'm not interested, as a poet, in words like 'plash' - Seamus Heaney words, interesting words. I like to use simple words but in a complicated way.? --Carol Ann Duffy found this quote on a website while looking for her poems. Also this interesting bit of bio: She has also written two English versions of Grimm's folk tales, and a pamphlet, A Woman's Guide to Gambling, which reflects her interest in betting. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Tue Jan 17 16:27:50 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:27:50 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] The Long Queen Message-ID: The Long Queen The Long Queen couldn't die. Young when she bowed her head for the cold weight of the crown, she'd looked at the second son of the earl, the foreign prince, the heir to the duke, the lord, the baronet, the count, then taken Time for a husband. Long live the Queen. What was she queen of? Women, girls, spinsters and hags, matrons, wet nurses, witches, widows, wives, mothers of all these. Her word of law was in their bones, in the graft of their hands, in the wild kicks of their dancing. No girl born who wasn't the Long Queen's always child. Unseen, she ruled and reigned; some said in a castle, some said in a tower in the dark heart of a wood, some said out and about in rags, disguised, sorting the bad from the good. She sent her explorers away in their creaking ships and was queen of more, of all the dead when they lived if they did so female. All hail to the Queen. What were her laws? Childhood: whether a girl awoke from the bad dream of the worst, or another swooned into memory, bereaved, bereft, or a third one wrote it all down like a charge-sheet, or the fourth never left, scouring the markets and shops for her old books and toys ? no girl growing who wasn't the apple of the Long Queen's eye. Blood: proof, in the Long Queen's colour, royal red, of intent; the pain when a girl first bled to be insignificant, no cause for complaint, and this to be monthly, linked to the moon, till middle age when the law would change. Tears: salt pearls, bright jewels for the Long Queen's fingers to weigh as she counted their sorrow. Childbirth: most to lie on the birthing beds, push till the room screamed scarlet and children bawled and slithered into their arms, sore flowers; some to be godmother, aunt, teacher, teller of tall tales, but all who were there to swear that the pain was worth it. No mother bore daughter not named to honour the Queen. And her pleasures were stories, true or false, that came in the evening, drifting up on the air to the high window she watched from, confession or gossip, scandal or anecdote, secrets, her ear tuned to the light music of girls, the drums of women, the faint strings of the old. Long Queen. All her possessions for a moment of time. 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So why do I kiss it on the brow, my warm lips to its papery bone, and take it to the mirror to ask for a gottle of geer? rinse it under the tap, watch dust run away, like sand from a swimming-cap, then dry it - firstborn - gently with a towel. I see the scar where I fell for sheer love down treacherous stairs, and read that shattering day like braille. Love, I murmur to my skull, then, louder, other grand words, shouting the hollow nouns in a white tiled room. Downstairs they will think I have lost my mind. No, I only weep into these two holes here, or I'm grinning back at the joke,this is a friend of mine. See, I hold her face in trembling passionate hands. -- Litany The soundtrack then was a litany - candlewick bedspread three piece suite display cabinet - and stiff-haired wives balanced their red smiles, passing the catalogue. Pyrex. A tiny ladder ran up Mrs Barr's American Tan leg, sly like a rumour. Language embarrassed them. The terrible marriages crackled, cellophane round polyester shirts, and then The Lounge would seem to bristle with eyes, hard as the bright stones in engagement rings, and sharp hands poised over biscuits as a word was spelled out. An embarrassing word, broken to bits, which tensed the air like an accident. This was the code I learnt at my mother's knee, pretending to read, where no-one had cancer, or sex, or debts, and certainly not leukaemia, which no-one could spell. This year a mass grave of wasps bobbed in a jam-jar; a butterfly stammered itself in my curious hands. a boy in the playground, I said, told me to fuck off; and a thrilled, malicious pause salted my tongue like an imminent storm. Then uproar. I'm sorry, Mrs Barr, Mrs Hunt, Mrs Emery, sorry, Mrs Raine. Yes, I can summon their names. My mother's mute shame. The taste of soap. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The media set up an opposition between the Oxbridge-style poets who have the power: Motion, James Fenton, Craig Raine; and the "postmodern provincials" who'd been rejected yet again: Duffy, Don Paterson, Liz Lochhead, Simon Armitage. The decision was labelled "a disgrace", "an insult to the country's intelligence" and, infamously, "a bag o'shite". Suddenly, Duffy was headline news, doorstepped by journalists obsessed with her sexuality, misquoted, a celebrity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For some time, I sit on the lavatory seat with my head in my hands, appalled. It feels much lighter than I'd thought, the weight of a deck of cards, a slim volume of verse, but with something else, as though it could levitate. Disturbing. So why do I kiss it on the brow, my warm lips to its papery bone, and take it to the mirror to ask for a gottle of geer? rinse it under the tap, watch dust run away, like sand from a swimming-cap, then dry it - firstborn - gently with a towel. I see the scar where I fell for sheer love down treacherous stairs, and read that shattering day like braille. Love, I murmur to my skull, then, louder, other grand words, shouting the hollow nouns in a white tiled room. Downstairs they will think I have lost my mind. No, I only weep into these two holes here, or I'm grinning back at the joke,this is a friend of mine. See, I hold her face in trembling passionate hands. -- Litany The soundtrack then was a litany - candlewick bedspread three piece suite display cabinet - and stiff-haired wives balanced their red smiles, passing the catalogue. Pyrex. A tiny ladder ran up Mrs Barr's American Tan leg, sly like a rumour. Language embarrassed them. The terrible marriages crackled, cellophane round polyester shirts, and then The Lounge would seem to bristle with eyes, hard as the bright stones in engagement rings, and sharp hands poised over biscuits as a word was spelled out. An embarrassing word, broken to bits, which tensed the air like an accident. This was the code I learnt at my mother's knee, pretending to read, where no-one had cancer, or sex, or debts, and certainly not leukaemia, which no-one could spell. This year a mass grave of wasps bobbed in a jam-jar; a butterfly stammered itself in my curious hands. a boy in the playground, I said, told me to fuck off; and a thrilled, malicious pause salted my tongue like an imminent storm. Then uproar. I'm sorry, Mrs Barr, Mrs Hunt, Mrs Emery, sorry, Mrs Raine. Yes, I can summon their names. My mother's mute shame. The taste of soap. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Wed Jan 18 01:58:25 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:58:25 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] U.A.Fanthorpe (Duffy) References: <20b.10f6c141.30febcbd@aol.com> <00e301c61bb3$b4d287f0$59a93252@ANNY> Message-ID: <013f01c61bfc$94338230$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> U.A.FANTHORPE :- http://www.contemporarywriters.com/authors/?p=auth180 -- Biography / Bibliography http://www.britishcouncil.org/arts-literature-publications-poetryquartets-fanthorpe.htm -- Fanthorpe reads "Against Speech", "Atlas", "Rising Damp", "The List", "Words for Months" http://lidiavianu.scriptmania.com/ua_fanthorpe.htm -- Interview NOT MY BEST SIDE I Not my best side, I'm afraid. The artist didn't give me a chance to Pose properly, and as you can see, Poor chap, he had this obsession with Triangles, so he left off two of my Feet. I didn't comment at the time (What, after all, are two feet To a monster?) but afterwards I was sorry for the bad publicity. Why, I said to myself, should my conqueror Be so ostentatiously beardless, and ride A horse with a deformed neck and square hoofs? Why should my victim be so Unattractive as to be inedible, And why should she have me literally On a string? I don't mind dying Ritually, since I always rise again, But I should have liked a little more blood To show they were taking me seriously. II It's hard for a girl to be sure if She wants to be rescued. I mean, I quite Took to the dragon. It's nice to be Liked, if you know what I mean. He was So nicely physical, with his claws And lovely green skin, and that sexy tail, And the way he looked at me, He made me feel he was all ready to Eat me. And any girl enjoys that. So when this boy turned up, wearing machinery, On a really dangerous horse, to be honest I didn't much fancy him. I mean, What was he like underneath the hardware? He might have acne, blackheads or even Bad breath for all I could tell, but the dragon-- Well, you could see all his equipment At a glance. Still, what could I do? The dragon got himself beaten by the boy, And a girl's got to think of her future. III I have diplomas in Dragon Management and Virgin Reclamation. My horse is the latest model, with Automatic transmission and built-in Obsolescence. My spear is custom-built, And my prototype armour Still on the secret list. You can't Do better than me at the moment. I'm qualified and equipped to the Eyebrow. So why be difficult? Don't you want to be killed and/or rescued In the most contemporary way? Don't You want to carry out the roles That sociology and myth have designed for you? Don't you realize that, by being choosy, You are endangering job prospects In the spear- and horse-building industries? What, in any case, does it matter what You want? You're in my way. From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 18:09:10 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:09:10 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' In-Reply-To: <23a.55aa9e9.30fec493@aol.com> References: <23a.55aa9e9.30fec493@aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com> "her superstar status"??? How . . . how provincial. - the other Jim On 1/17/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > http://books.guardian.co.uk/specialreports/whitbread/story/0,6194,101793,00.html > But her superstar status was noticed by the rest of the world only when the > government decided not to make Duffy poet laureate after the death of Ted > Hughes earlier this year - because, as a Downing Street official told a > reporter, "Blair is worried about having a homosexual as poet laureate > because of how it might play in middle England." Thus, Duffy became a > caricature - the lesbian single-parent, with a black partner, from a > Scottish working-class background - rejected in favour of Andrew Motion - > similarly caricatured as a public-school, Oxford-educated, married, white > male toff. The media set up an opposition between the Oxbridge-style poets > who have the power: Motion, James Fenton, Craig Raine; and the "postmodern > provincials" who'd been rejected yet again: Duffy, Don Paterson, Liz > Lochhead, Simon Armitage. The decision was labelled "a disgrace", "an insult > to the country's intelligence" and, infamously, "a bag o'shite". Suddenly, > Duffy was headline news, doorstepped by journalists obsessed with her > sexuality, misquoted, a celebrity. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 18:10:44 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:10:44 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy In-Reply-To: <20b.10f6c141.30febcbd@aol.com> References: <20b.10f6c141.30febcbd@aol.com> Message-ID: <648208b60601171510r29456f60o81b9e7d060515356@mail.gmail.com> "For some time, I sit on the lavatory seat with my head in my hands, appalled. . . " Surely she jests? Please, no more. - Jim On 1/17/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > > http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cs/english/sheaf/duffy.htm > > > > Small Female Skull > > > > With some surprise, I balance my small female skull in my hands. > > What is it like? an ocarina? Blow in its eye. > > I cannot cry, hold my breath only as long as I exhale, > > mildly alarmed now, into the hole where the nose was, > > press my ear to its grin. A vanishing sigh. > > > > For some time, I sit on the lavatory seat with my head > > in my hands, appalled. It feels much lighter than I'd thought, > > the weight of a deck of cards, a slim volume of verse, > > but with something else, as though it could levitate. Disturbing. > > So why do I kiss it on the brow, my warm lips to its papery bone, > > > > and take it to the mirror to ask for a gottle of geer? > > rinse it under the tap, watch dust run away, like sand > > from a swimming-cap, then dry it - firstborn - gently > > with a towel. I see the scar where I fell for sheer love > > down treacherous stairs, and read that shattering day like braille. > > > > Love, I murmur to my skull, then, louder, other grand words, > > shouting the hollow nouns in a white tiled room. > > Downstairs they will think I have lost my mind. No, I only weep > > into these two holes here, or I'm grinning back at the joke,this is > > a friend of mine. See, I hold her face in trembling passionate hands. > > > > -- > > Litany > > > > The soundtrack then was a litany - candlewick > > bedspread three piece suite display cabinet - > > and stiff-haired wives balanced their red smiles, > > passing the catalogue. Pyrex. A tiny ladder > > ran up Mrs Barr's American Tan leg, sly > > like a rumour. Language embarrassed them. > > > > The terrible marriages crackled, cellophane > > round polyester shirts, and then The Lounge > > would seem to bristle with eyes, hard > > as the bright stones in engagement rings, > > and sharp hands poised over biscuits as a word > > was spelled out. An embarrassing word, broken > > > > to bits, which tensed the air like an accident. > > This was the code I learnt at my mother's knee, pretending > > to read, where no-one had cancer, or sex, or debts, > > and certainly not leukaemia, which no-one could spell. > > This year a mass grave of wasps bobbed in a jam-jar; > > a butterfly stammered itself in my curious hands. > > > > a boy in the playground, I said, told me > > to fuck off; and a thrilled, malicious pause > > salted my tongue like an imminent storm. Then > > uproar. I'm sorry, Mrs Barr, Mrs Hunt, Mrs Emery, > > sorry, Mrs Raine. Yes, I can summon their names. > > My mother's mute shame. The taste of soap. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Jan 17 20:17:47 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:17:47 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Book Critics Circle Message-ID: And the finalists in poetry are: Simon Armitage's ''The Shout,'' Manuel Blas de Luna's ''Bent to the Earth,'' Jack Gilbert's ''Refusing Heaven,'' Richard Siken's ''Crush'' and Ron Slate's ''The Incentive of the Maggot.'' Only one of which (Gilbert) I have read, or even seen. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 17 20:33:23 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:33:23 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy References: <20b.10f6c141.30febcbd@aol.com> <648208b60601171510r29456f60o81b9e7d060515356@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <095d01c61bcf$2c1f5930$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> I recall once seeing Duffy read. At one point she addressed the audience: "has anybody here ever got drunk? I did once, almost." Disbelief at what she'd said bounced across wide open eyes among the listeners. Irony, humour, no go. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cervantes" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy > "For some time, I sit on the lavatory seat with my head > in my hands, appalled. . . " > > Surely she jests? > > Please, no more. > > - Jim > > On 1/17/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cs/english/sheaf/duffy.htm > > > > > > > > Small Female Skull > > > > > > > > With some surprise, I balance my small female skull in my hands. > > > > What is it like? an ocarina? Blow in its eye. > > > > I cannot cry, hold my breath only as long as I exhale, > > > > mildly alarmed now, into the hole where the nose was, > > > > press my ear to its grin. A vanishing sigh. > > > > > > > > For some time, I sit on the lavatory seat with my head > > > > in my hands, appalled. It feels much lighter than I'd thought, > > > > the weight of a deck of cards, a slim volume of verse, > > > > but with something else, as though it could levitate. Disturbing. > > > > So why do I kiss it on the brow, my warm lips to its papery bone, > > > > > > > > and take it to the mirror to ask for a gottle of geer? > > > > rinse it under the tap, watch dust run away, like sand > > > > from a swimming-cap, then dry it - firstborn - gently > > > > with a towel. I see the scar where I fell for sheer love > > > > down treacherous stairs, and read that shattering day like braille. > > > > > > > > Love, I murmur to my skull, then, louder, other grand words, > > > > shouting the hollow nouns in a white tiled room. > > > > Downstairs they will think I have lost my mind. No, I only weep > > > > into these two holes here, or I'm grinning back at the joke,this is > > > > a friend of mine. See, I hold her face in trembling passionate hands. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Litany > > > > > > > > The soundtrack then was a litany - candlewick > > > > bedspread three piece suite display cabinet - > > > > and stiff-haired wives balanced their red smiles, > > > > passing the catalogue. Pyrex. A tiny ladder > > > > ran up Mrs Barr's American Tan leg, sly > > > > like a rumour. Language embarrassed them. > > > > > > > > The terrible marriages crackled, cellophane > > > > round polyester shirts, and then The Lounge > > > > would seem to bristle with eyes, hard > > > > as the bright stones in engagement rings, > > > > and sharp hands poised over biscuits as a word > > > > was spelled out. An embarrassing word, broken > > > > > > > > to bits, which tensed the air like an accident. > > > > This was the code I learnt at my mother's knee, pretending > > > > to read, where no-one had cancer, or sex, or debts, > > > > and certainly not leukaemia, which no-one could spell. > > > > This year a mass grave of wasps bobbed in a jam-jar; > > > > a butterfly stammered itself in my curious hands. > > > > > > > > a boy in the playground, I said, told me > > > > to fuck off; and a thrilled, malicious pause > > > > salted my tongue like an imminent storm. Then > > > > uproar. I'm sorry, Mrs Barr, Mrs Hunt, Mrs Emery, > > > > sorry, Mrs Raine. Yes, I can summon their names. > > > > My mother's mute shame. The taste of soap. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Tue Jan 17 20:34:08 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:34:08 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/2006 5:11:08 PM Central Standard Time, cervantes.james at gmail.com writes: > > X-INFO: INVALID TO LINE > "For some time, I sit on the lavatory seat with my head > in my hands, appalled. . . 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URL: From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Wed Jan 18 04:51:33 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:51:33 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Book Critics Circle References: Message-ID: <018e01c61c14$c3c85e90$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> From: "David Graham" > And the finalists in poetry are: > > Simon Armitage's ''The Shout,'' Manuel Blas de Luna's ''Bent to the > Earth,'' > Jack Gilbert's ''Refusing Heaven,'' Richard Siken's ''Crush'' and Ron > Slate's ''The Incentive of the Maggot.'' > > Only one of which (Gilbert) I have read, or even seen. Armitage is the only one I've heard of. A rising stellar influence here, he and Rob Crawford edited the latest Penguin Book of Post-1945 British Poetry. Did not a bad job, I thought, though others disliked it. At least there was a decent representation of Scottish poets at last. Robin Hamilton From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Wed Jan 18 04:58:01 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:58:01 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy References: <12a.6ceeaa26.30fef536@cs.com> Message-ID: <01a101c61c15$ab6239b0$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com << In a message dated 1/17/2006 5:13:51 PM Central Standard Time, anny.ballardini at tin.it writes: "I like them all, long live Carol Ann Duffy!" Me too. I can't see what the flap's about. >> It's (for me at least) not that she's a sheerly bad poet (though I do find most of her work uninteresting, and certainly much inferior to Fanthorpe or Stevenson) as the disjunction between her minor talent and the major recognition she has. I'm less inclined to the conspiracy theory and more to the idea that (some) literary reputations are to a large degree arbitary. Time will tell, whether Duffy or Derek Walcott will still be read in a hundred years time. Shame we'll all be dead by then. Robin _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 17 21:20:00 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:20:00 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy References: <12a.6ceeaa26.30fef536@cs.com> <01a101c61c15$ab6239b0$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <099201c61bd5$af595890$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> I'd add a twizel to what you say Rob: not only is she a minor talent, but she's a poeticiser. this why she succeeds: our culture has this vague notion of 'poetry' as something that should be there. We, that is our culture, doesn't know what it is but it should be somehow +important+. And +meaningful+. And unfocusedly +pretty+. Like lotsa similes. Cuddly metaphors. Flat rhythms. Oh it should be funny too. Best Davo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Hamilton" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy > From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com > > << > In a message dated 1/17/2006 5:13:51 PM Central Standard Time, > anny.ballardini at tin.it writes: > > > "I like them all, long live Carol Ann Duffy!" > > > Me too. I can't see what the flap's about. > >> > > It's (for me at least) not that she's a sheerly bad poet (though I do find > most of her work uninteresting, and certainly much inferior to Fanthorpe or > Stevenson) as the disjunction between her minor talent and the major > recognition she has. > > I'm less inclined to the conspiracy theory and more to the idea that (some) > literary reputations are to a large degree arbitary. Time will tell, > whether Duffy or Derek Walcott will still be read in a hundred years time. > > Shame we'll all be dead by then. > > Robin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Wed Jan 18 05:29:48 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:29:48 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Blast from the past ... (Laureateship odds) References: <12a.6ceeaa26.30fef536@cs.com> <01a101c61c15$ab6239b0$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <01c801c61c1a$1bf38770$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,323534,00.html Fanthorpe makes an impact in laureate stakes By Guardian staff Thursday January 14, 1999 Guardian The latest odds over a replacement for Ted Hughes as poet laureate show the Guardian's tip for the post, U. A. Fanthorpe, moving into contention. Wendy Cope heads the odds, from bookmakers William Hill, at 5/2, followed by Derek Walcott at 3/1. Fanthorpe is now third favourite at 4/1, ahead of the big guns of the poetry establishment, Andrew Motion, James Fenton, Carol Ann Duffy and Tony Harrison. Fanthorpe's odds shortened from 66/1 to 33/1 after the publication on the front page of the Guardian of her birthday tribute to Prince Charles. It was revealed last week that the 60-year-old poet had featured prominently in the recommendations passed to Downing Street by the literary bodies with an advisory role in the appointment. Under proposals drawn up by the Department of Culture and Downing Street, the post of poet laureate will no longer be for life, and will carry a ?20,000 salary and a grace-and-favour home. The poet laureate will accompany the Queen and the Prime Minister on official trips. The appointment is expected to be made next month. From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 17 21:55:19 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:55:19 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Blast from the past ... (Laureateship odds) References: <12a.6ceeaa26.30fef536@cs.com><01a101c61c15$ab6239b0$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> <01c801c61c1a$1bf38770$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <09a201c61bda$9ed3a9d0$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Bloody hell. I didn't know that Rob. Thanks for the info, it says a lot. Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Hamilton" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] A Blast from the past ... (Laureateship odds) > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,323534,00.html > > Fanthorpe makes an impact in laureate stakes > > By Guardian staff > Thursday January 14, 1999 > > Guardian > > The latest odds over a replacement for Ted Hughes as poet laureate show the > Guardian's tip for the post, U. A. Fanthorpe, moving into contention. Wendy > Cope heads the odds, from bookmakers William Hill, at 5/2, followed by Derek > Walcott at 3/1. > > Fanthorpe is now third favourite at 4/1, ahead of the big guns of the poetry > establishment, Andrew Motion, James Fenton, Carol Ann Duffy and Tony > Harrison. Fanthorpe's odds shortened from 66/1 to 33/1 after the publication > on the front page of the Guardian of her birthday tribute to Prince Charles. > > It was revealed last week that the 60-year-old poet had featured prominently > in the recommendations passed to Downing Street by the literary bodies with > an advisory role in the appointment. > > Under proposals drawn up by the Department of Culture and Downing Street, > the post of poet laureate will no longer be for life, and will carry a > ?20,000 salary and a grace-and-favour home. The poet laureate will accompany > the Queen and the Prime Minister on official trips. > > The appointment is expected to be made next month. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 18 02:13:18 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:13:18 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy References: <20b.10f6c141.30febcbd@aol.com> <00e301c61bb3$b4d287f0$59a93252@ANNY> Message-ID: <0a4b01c61bfe$a899e960$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Anny's post has only just shown up here, you know the waywardness of the net. I respect the fact that Anny likes Duffy's poems, but respectfully disagree. One of the things I can't forgive CAD for is how she reads: monotony has nothing on her drone, the sublimal message she projects is that one should hope for nothing from life, that's why the powers that be like her, flatness, flatness, flatness, that's how they want us to be. Keep down, scum. I was very shocked, btw, to hear Denise Riley reading, a poet I greatly admire, she reads like Duffy, almost the same false accent. Perturbed by that. Care Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy I like them all, long live Carol Ann Duffy! creaking ships, foreign prince, baronet, bereaved, bereft, girl growing, screamed scarlet, were there to swear, ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cs/english/sheaf/duffy.htm Small Female Skull With some surprise, I balance my small female skull in my hands. What is it like? an ocarina? Blow in its eye. I cannot cry, hold my breath only as long as I exhale, mildly alarmed now, into the hole where the nose was, press my ear to its grin. A vanishing sigh. For some time, I sit on the lavatory seat with my head in my hands, appalled. It feels much lighter than I'd thought, the weight of a deck of cards, a slim volume of verse, but with something else, as though it could levitate. Disturbing. So why do I kiss it on the brow, my warm lips to its papery bone, and take it to the mirror to ask for a gottle of geer? rinse it under the tap, watch dust run away, like sand from a swimming-cap, then dry it - firstborn - gently with a towel. I see the scar where I fell for sheer love down treacherous stairs, and read that shattering day like braille. Love, I murmur to my skull, then, louder, other grand words, shouting the hollow nouns in a white tiled room. Downstairs they will think I have lost my mind. No, I only weep into these two holes here, or I'm grinning back at the joke,this is a friend of mine. See, I hold her face in trembling passionate hands. -- Litany The soundtrack then was a litany - candlewick bedspread three piece suite display cabinet - and stiff-haired wives balanced their red smiles, passing the catalogue. Pyrex. A tiny ladder ran up Mrs Barr's American Tan leg, sly like a rumour. Language embarrassed them. The terrible marriages crackled, cellophane round polyester shirts, and then The Lounge would seem to bristle with eyes, hard as the bright stones in engagement rings, and sharp hands poised over biscuits as a word was spelled out. An embarrassing word, broken to bits, which tensed the air like an accident. This was the code I learnt at my mother's knee, pretending to read, where no-one had cancer, or sex, or debts, and certainly not leukaemia, which no-one could spell. This year a mass grave of wasps bobbed in a jam-jar; a butterfly stammered itself in my curious hands. a boy in the playground, I said, told me to fuck off; and a thrilled, malicious pause salted my tongue like an imminent storm. Then uproar. I'm sorry, Mrs Barr, Mrs Hunt, Mrs Emery, sorry, Mrs Raine. Yes, I can summon their names. My mother's mute shame. The taste of soap. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clitophon at yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 06:20:31 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:20:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] fox hunting women In-Reply-To: <20d.1104ba1f.30fe903d@cs.com> Message-ID: <20060118112031.3583.qmail@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> are both class and race a problem in American life? or are they more or less the same thing? (in the US) --- Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/17/2006 12:21:51 PM Central > Standard Time, > clitophon at yahoo.com writes: > > X-INFO: INVALID TO LINE > > my fingers so large I can stick it up my ass and > draw > > it out my nose. Are you offended? I hope so. > > > > --- Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > > > > >In a message dated 1/17/2006 10:08:33 AM Central > > >Standard Time, > > >david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com writes: > > >>You are right Paul to put the finger on what > > >cripples Brit literary life: > > >>class. > > >> > > >>best > > >> > > >>Dave > > > > > >This would have to be a very large finger indeed. > > > >Not what I'd call pinpoint > > >perspicacity. > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >New-Poetry mailing list > > >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > Do you still have enough left to put it on something > a little more specific? > I mean, saying that class is a problem in British > poetry is like saying that > race is a problem in American life. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Jan 18 06:34:51 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:34:51 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy References: <20b.10f6c141.30febcbd@aol.com><00e301c61bb3$b4d287f0$59a93252@ANNY> <0a4b01c61bfe$a899e960$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <004501c61c23$32a0a620$29aa3252@ANNY> Hi David, that is fine with me, we like to disagree, it keeps the posting posted, or similar. I speak with little competence having read few poems of which I liked exactly what you do not like, this brittle dusted flatness scattered in fragments --plus a careful use of words. On the other hand I appreciate those who denounce it, and as a teacher I continuously fight against it. Motivation is what we need, and if CAD can give us some, be it in a negative way - then welcome she is. There was an interesting post by Graham on the topic, you might be the one who can help, I am pasting it here below: Better yet, in my view: how about we look at some poems by Duffy and (for contrast) anyone else our U.K. subscribers would care to put up against her? The poets mentioned so far are not household names here in the U.S., for the most part--even Duffy herself, though she has a growing reputation, it seems. =========================== since you refer to Denise Riley, take care, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy Anny's post has only just shown up here, you know the waywardness of the net. I respect the fact that Anny likes Duffy's poems, but respectfully disagree. One of the things I can't forgive CAD for is how she reads: monotony has nothing on her drone, the sublimal message she projects is that one should hope for nothing from life, that's why the powers that be like her, flatness, flatness, flatness, that's how they want us to be. Keep down, scum. I was very shocked, btw, to hear Denise Riley reading, a poet I greatly admire, she reads like Duffy, almost the same false accent. Perturbed by that. Care Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy I like them all, long live Carol Ann Duffy! creaking ships, foreign prince, baronet, bereaved, bereft, girl growing, screamed scarlet, were there to swear, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I speak with little competence having read few poems of which I liked exactly what you do not like, this brittle dusted flatness scattered in fragments --plus a careful use of words. On the other hand I appreciate those who denounce it, and as a teacher I continuously fight against it. Motivation is what we need, and if CAD can give us some, be it in a negative way - then welcome she is. There was an interesting post by Graham on the topic, you might be the one who can help, I am pasting it here below: Better yet, in my view: how about we look at some poems by Duffy and (for contrast) anyone else our U.K. subscribers would care to put up against her? The poets mentioned so far are not household names here in the U.S., for the most part--even Duffy herself, though she has a growing reputation, it seems. =========================== since you refer to Denise Riley, take care, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy Anny's post has only just shown up here, you know the waywardness of the net. I respect the fact that Anny likes Duffy's poems, but respectfully disagree. One of the things I can't forgive CAD for is how she reads: monotony has nothing on her drone, the sublimal message she projects is that one should hope for nothing from life, that's why the powers that be like her, flatness, flatness, flatness, that's how they want us to be. Keep down, scum. I was very shocked, btw, to hear Denise Riley reading, a poet I greatly admire, she reads like Duffy, almost the same false accent. Perturbed by that. Care Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] two by Duffy I like them all, long live Carol Ann Duffy! creaking ships, foreign prince, baronet, bereaved, bereft, girl growing, screamed scarlet, were there to swear, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Jan 18 10:33:32 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:33:32 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ron Slate Message-ID: Ron Slate, finalist for a National Book Critics Circle award, is new to me. Three poems from his nominated book, *The Incentive of the Maggot*, here: http://www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com/catalog/titledetail.cfm?textType=excerpt &titleNumber=689535 ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From tad at opus40.org Wed Jan 18 10:40:33 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:40:33 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ron Slate References: Message-ID: <000901c61c45$8548a6d0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Can't make your link work. Here's two Ron Slate poems from Poetry Daily. http://www.poems.com/twoposla.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Graham" To: "NewPoetry" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Ron Slate > Ron Slate, finalist for a National Book Critics Circle award, is new to > me. > > Three poems from his nominated book, *The Incentive of the Maggot*, here: > > http://www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com/catalog/titledetail.cfm?textType=excerpt > &titleNumber=689535 > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Jan 18 10:48:00 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:48:00 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ron Slate2 In-Reply-To: <000901c61c45$8548a6d0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: I think it's one of those cases where the link got broken across a carriage return. It works for me. Cut and paste unbroken URL into your browser, or go into the Houghton Mifflin main site and work from there: http://www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com/ One further poem by Ron Slate, with links to several more, here: http://www.beatrice.com/archives/001332.html On 1/18/06 9:40 AM, "TheOldMole" wrote: > Can't make your link work. > > Here's two Ron Slate poems from Poetry Daily. > > http://www.poems.com/twoposla.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Graham" > To: "NewPoetry" > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:33 AM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Ron Slate > > >> Ron Slate, finalist for a National Book Critics Circle award, is new to >> me. >> >> Three poems from his nominated book, *The Incentive of the Maggot*, here: >> >> http://www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com/catalog/titledetail.cfm?textType=excerpt >> &titleNumber=689535 >> >> ==================================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html >> Poetry Library: >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html >> ==================================================== >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From clitophon at yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 11:23:45 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:23:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' In-Reply-To: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> so how would you depict the real Andrew Motion? (I must say that Motion has always been very kind when answering any requests Ive made to him. I appreciate this....) PM --- James Cervantes wrote: > "her superstar status"??? How . . . how provincial. > > - the other Jim > > On 1/17/06, JforJames at aol.com > wrote: > > > > > http://books.guardian.co.uk/specialreports/whitbread/story/0,6194,101793,00.html > > But her superstar status was noticed by the rest > of the world only when the > > government decided not to make Duffy poet laureate > after the death of Ted > > Hughes earlier this year - because, as a Downing > Street official told a > > reporter, "Blair is worried about having a > homosexual as poet laureate > > because of how it might play in middle England." > Thus, Duffy became a > > caricature - the lesbian single-parent, with a > black partner, from a > > Scottish working-class background - rejected in > favour of Andrew Motion - > > similarly caricatured as a public-school, > Oxford-educated, married, white > > male toff. The media set up an opposition between > the Oxbridge-style poets > > who have the power: Motion, James Fenton, Craig > Raine; and the "postmodern > > provincials" who'd been rejected yet again: Duffy, > Don Paterson, Liz > > Lochhead, Simon Armitage. The decision was > labelled "a disgrace", "an insult > > to the country's intelligence" and, infamously, "a > bag o'shite". Suddenly, > > Duffy was headline news, doorstepped by > journalists obsessed with her > > sexuality, misquoted, a celebrity. > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Wed Jan 18 04:28:22 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:28:22 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Blast from the past ... (Laureateship odds) In-Reply-To: <200601172042304.SM00828@MAILGATE.atu.edu> Message-ID: On 1/18/06 4:29 AM, "Robin Hamilton" wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,323534,00.html > > Fanthorpe makes an impact in laureate stakes > > By Guardian staff > Thursday January 14, 1999 > > Guardian > > The latest odds over a replacement for Ted Hughes as poet laureate show the > Guardian's tip for the post, U. A. Fanthorpe, moving into contention. Wendy > Cope heads the odds, from bookmakers William Hill, at 5/2, followed by Derek > Walcott at 3/1. > > Fanthorpe is now third favourite at 4/1, ahead of the big guns of the poetry > establishment, Andrew Motion, James Fenton, Carol Ann Duffy and Tony > Harrison. Fanthorpe's odds shortened from 66/1 to 33/1 after the publication > on the front page of the Guardian of her birthday tribute to Prince Charles. > > It was revealed last week that the 60-year-old poet had featured prominently > in the recommendations passed to Downing Street by the literary bodies with > an advisory role in the appointment. > > Under proposals drawn up by the Department of Culture and Downing Street, > the post of poet laureate will no longer be for life, and will carry a > ?20,000 salary and a grace-and-favour home. The poet laureate will accompany > the Queen and the Prime Minister on official trips. > > The appointment is expected to be made next month. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > God, I'm glad I'm not English. The above is enough to make me want to write a Declaration of Independence. From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Wed Jan 18 19:45:25 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:45:25 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Blast from the past ... (Laureateship odds) References: Message-ID: <008101c61c91$a33011f0$5cef9156@andrew1d83eb60> >> The latest odds over a replacement for Ted Hughes as poet laureate show >> the >> Guardian's tip for the post, U. A. Fanthorpe, moving into contention. >> Wendy >> Cope heads the odds, from bookmakers William Hill, at 5/2, followed by >> Derek >> Walcott at 3/1. >> >> Fanthorpe is now third favourite at 4/1, ahead of the big guns of the >> poetry >> establishment, Andrew Motion, James Fenton, Carol Ann Duffy and Tony >> Harrison. Fanthorpe's odds shortened from 66/1 to 33/1 after the >> publication >> on the front page of the Guardian of her birthday tribute to Prince >> Charles. > God, I'm glad I'm not English. The above is enough to make me want to > write > a Declaration of Independence. Well, the English will bet on anything ... I still find myself grinding my teeth over how Derek Walcott wasn't chosen, the obvious candidate by miles. Whether it's because he isn't English (Saint Lucia is an ex-colony, like America) or he turned it down, or what. http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/walcott.htm -- for background. http://nobelprize.org/literature/laureates/1992/ -- for his Nobel speech and other stuff, including "Sea Grapes" and "Fame". I was about to paste these in, but there's a Severe Health Warning against reposting, so anyone wanting to read them will have to go to the Nobel site via the URL above. << "Sea Grapes" from COLLECTED POEMS 1948-1984 by Derek Walcott. Copyright ? 1986 by Derek Walcott. Used by permission of Farrar, Straus and Giroux, LLC. All rights reserved. CAUTION: Users are warned that this work is protected under copyright laws and downloading is strictly prohibited. The right to reproduce or transfer the work via any medium must be secured with Farrar, Straus and Giroux, LLC. >> Robin Hamilton From queenmouse at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 13:36:02 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:36:02 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' In-Reply-To: <20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com> <20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/18/06, Paul Murphy wrote: > > so how would you depict the real Andrew Motion? (I > must say that Motion has always been very kind when > answering any requests Ive made to him. I appreciate > this....) PM Well he certainly is posh up the yin-yang-- which doesn't necessarily preclude being cordial. Suzanne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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An immensely tasty production." --David Meltzer "A perfect and balanced vehicle for poet Michael Rothenberg and singer and composer Elya Finn. Congratulations to them both for this terrific CD!" --Joanne Kyger "Thrilling this CD. Brecht/Weill of course come to mind, but also the wonderful cabaret songs of Arnold Weinstein & Bill Bolcom on BLACK MAX." --Bill Berkson "This album features soft rock with overtones of jazz and Kurt Weill. Michael Rothenberg's lyrics are the most intelligent lyrics I've heard in years. Elya Finn, a skilled and sensitive vocalist, renders them with tenderness and passion. Highly recommended!" --Vernon Frazer "Lovely dark, smoky and shadowy jazzy female pop that creeps and slithers, wrapping itself around rich piano harmonies, shuffley drums and a noir-ish strut. Drumming up mischief and mystery wherever she can, Elya Finn gives up her breathy alto voice to these songs of intrigue and hidden agendas. Jazz meets noir, folk meets pop, dark cabaret meets whispering lullabies. A beautifully mysterious album." --CD BABY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Wed Jan 18 15:21:00 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:21:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: POETS RAVE ABOUT NEW CD!!! References: <008f01c61c68$61cb5590$5be83652@ANNY> Message-ID: <006301c61c6c$b2e92f70$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> What war did Nico come after? ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: New Poetry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: POETS RAVE ABOUT NEW CD!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rothenberg" To: "Walter Blue" Cc: "Walter Blue" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:33 AM Subject: POETS RAVE ABOUT NEW CD!!! ANNOUNCING "When I Met You" A new CD of songs arranged and performed by Elya Finn with lyrics by poet Michael Rothenberg. Check it out at CDBABY.COM: http://cdbaby.com/cd/elyafinn2 "Elya's CD is fabulous -- all her songs sound like Weimar Lenya & postwar Nico, lushly affirmative at the same time being edged w/ cosmic weltschmertz. An immensely tasty production." --David Meltzer "A perfect and balanced vehicle for poet Michael Rothenberg and singer and composer Elya Finn. Congratulations to them both for this terrific CD!" --Joanne Kyger "Thrilling this CD. Brecht/Weill of course come to mind, but also the wonderful cabaret songs of Arnold Weinstein & Bill Bolcom on BLACK MAX." --Bill Berkson "This album features soft rock with overtones of jazz and Kurt Weill. Michael Rothenberg's lyrics are the most intelligent lyrics I've heard in years. Elya Finn, a skilled and sensitive vocalist, renders them with tenderness and passion. Highly recommended!" --Vernon Frazer "Lovely dark, smoky and shadowy jazzy female pop that creeps and slithers, wrapping itself around rich piano harmonies, shuffley drums and a noir-ish strut. Drumming up mischief and mystery wherever she can, Elya Finn gives up her breathy alto voice to these songs of intrigue and hidden agendas. Jazz meets noir, folk meets pop, dark cabaret meets whispering lullabies. A beautifully mysterious album." --CD BABY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From queenmouse at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 15:51:54 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:51:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Blast from the past ... (Laureateship odds) In-Reply-To: <008101c61c91$a33011f0$5cef9156@andrew1d83eb60> References: <008101c61c91$a33011f0$5cef9156@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: Heavens. What is a "grace-and-favour home"? Could someone please enlighten me? Do they also supply the poet with a nice Charles the Second spaniel to keep at the door? --Suzanne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Thu Jan 19 00:20:13 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:20:13 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Blast from the past ... (Laureateship odds) References: <008101c61c91$a33011f0$5cef9156@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <017b01c61cb8$06fa8780$5cef9156@andrew1d83eb60> << Heavens. What is a "grace-and-favour home"? Could someone please enlighten me? Do they also supply the poet with a nice Charles the Second spaniel to keep at the door? --Suzanne >> If you're a farm labourer, it's called a tied cottage, if you're a Church of Scotland minister, it's called a manse, if you're a member of the (UK) government, it's called Number 10 (or 11 -- where the Chancellor is supposed to live but actually the Smile and his wife and brood live there currently -- means at least Gordon Brown won't have to move when he takes over), if you have it via the monarchy, it's a grace-and-favour house. The common element is that while you get free accomodation, you are liable to be out on your arse at a moment's notice, or at the whim of the farmer, the congregation, the electorate, or the monarch. Robin (I think the current lasso is obliged to walk Brenda's corgis once a week -- Cavalier King Charles spaniels [a different breed from cocker spaniels, I believe] went out with the Stuarts.) R. From queenmouse at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 16:26:52 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:26:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Blast from the past ... (Laureateship odds) In-Reply-To: <017b01c61cb8$06fa8780$5cef9156@andrew1d83eb60> References: <008101c61c91$a33011f0$5cef9156@andrew1d83eb60> <017b01c61cb8$06fa8780$5cef9156@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: On 1/19/06, Robin Hamilton wrote: > > > > (I think the current lasso is obliged to walk Brenda's corgis once a week > -- > Cavalier King Charles spaniels [a different breed from cocker spaniels, I > believe] went out with the Stuarts.) > > R. Ah that's right corgis! I believe Hughes wrote a poem about the Queen's corgis. Nice work if you can get it, I guess. Cavalier King Charles spaniels are much nicer, I have to say. Even if their ears are all over the place. --Suzanne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Thu Jan 19 00:41:15 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:41:15 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] A Blast from the past ... (Laureateship odds) References: <008101c61c91$a33011f0$5cef9156@andrew1d83eb60><017b01c61cb8$06fa8780$5cef9156@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <019501c61cba$f6cc3270$5cef9156@andrew1d83eb60> << Ah that's right corgis! I believe Hughes wrote a poem about the Queen's corgis. Nice work if you can get it, I guess. Cavalier King Charles spaniels are much nicer, I have to say. Even if their ears are all over the place. --Suzanne >> I came on a cutting from the Guardian from some hears ago, after the death of Ted Hughes and before the elevation of Andrew Motion. Still on the Guardian Website, apparently: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,298864,00.html (The original is in quatrains, which seem to have been lost in the cybernetic wash, but they're easy enough to reconstruct.) **************************** Laureate's block for Queen Elizabeth By Tony Harrison Tuesday February 9, 1999 I'm appalled to see newspapers use my name as 'widely-tipped' for a job I'd never seek. Swans come in Domestic, Mute, and Tame and no swan-upper's going to nick my beak I'm particularly vexed that it occurred in those same Guardian pages where I'd written on the abdication of King Charles III in the hope of a republic in Great Britain. I wrote the above last night but what comes next I wrote the day that Ted Hughes, sadly, died and to exit from the lists I've faxed the text for inclusion in the Guardian [op.ed side?] ... [CONTINUES] ********* Tony Harrison probably has more clout as the (unofficial) anti-laureate than he would have had had he been installed in a grace-and-favour mansion. Robin From clitophon at yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 17:02:23 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:02:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060118220223.22863.qmail@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I dont like double negatives. PM --- Suzanne Burns wrote: > On 1/18/06, Paul Murphy wrote: > > > > so how would you depict the real Andrew Motion? > (I > > must say that Motion has always been very kind > when > > answering any requests Ive made to him. I > appreciate > > this....) PM > > > > Well he certainly is posh up the yin-yang-- which > doesn't necessarily > preclude being cordial. > > Suzanne > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clitophon at yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 17:03:55 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:03:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Private -- New List Member In-Reply-To: <00c601c61be6$d81460c0$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <20060118220355.72507.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robin is also a great defendder of free speech and a bigger problem than Ive ever been. PM --- Robin Hamilton wrote: > Jim, > > It occurred to me that it might be worthwhile giving > you a heads-up on Paul > Murphy. He's caused problems on some other lists > I've been on. > > Anyway, just a quiet warning in case you haven't > encountered him before, and > it may be unnecessary, so I won't say any more. I'm > not sure who else on > New Poetry would have -- dave bircumshaw, certainly, > Roger Day maybe. > > Cheers, > > Robin > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clitophon at yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 17:05:33 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:05:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Private -- New List Member In-Reply-To: <00d901c61be7$77833280$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <20060118220533.2919.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> your an apparatchik. --- Robin Hamilton wrote: > Ooops. Sorry. > > :-( > > RH > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From queenmouse at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 19:52:42 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:52:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' In-Reply-To: <20060118220223.22863.qmail@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060118220223.22863.qmail@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/18/06, Paul Murphy wrote: > > I dont like double negatives. PM Awwwwwww. :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 18 20:51:35 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:51:35 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Book Critics Circle References: <018e01c61c14$c3c85e90$d2df8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <0bd901c61c9a$e21a3ef0$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> >Its a strong list. I have Slate's book and its wonderful. I've long admired Armitage. --Suzanne< You know, Suzanne, this is one of these strange things, just as with Duffy, but a lot of us Brits have no time for Armitage. To me, he comes across as a synthetic poet, the best I can say for him is that some of his jingles are comparable to Hilaire Belloc at his feeblest. I know that sounds harsh, but he and his ilk are responsible for the neglect of much that is good in contemporary British poetry. They keep people out, they project conformity as a way of poetry. Best Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clitophon at yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 10:22:45 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:22:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060119152245.19501.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I dont like animistic yawns either! PM --- Suzanne Burns wrote: > On 1/18/06, Paul Murphy wrote: > > > > I dont like double negatives. PM > > > > Awwwwwww. :-) > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From JforJames at aol.com Thu Jan 19 13:46:07 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:46:07 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] PennSound from PENN: free MP3 recordings of poets Message-ID: <15c.5eec1ed4.3101386f@aol.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Al Filreis Subject: PennSound from PENN: free MP3 recordings of poets Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:30:40 -0500 Size: 29172 URL: From rog3r.day at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 08:07:27 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:07:27 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' In-Reply-To: <20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com> <20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i've met craig raine. He seemed a terribly nice chap, very shy and retiring, in his velvety cords just like a little mole. Just the sort of disguise a treacherous class-villain would affect in order to fool the masses. Bawahaha! Won't help him, though, when push comes to shove. Amusingly, I think James Fenton has had the most post-modern career of the lot. I can think of few other poets who've made as much as he has *from his poetry. As I understand it, he wrote the libretto of an Andrew Lloyd-Webber style musical, but his libretto was dropped and he still made a pile o'cash, enabling him to buy an Oxford pile. I've not read his "introduction to english poetry" but I can pretty much guarantee that vers libre will be slagged off and modernism given, oh, all of two disparaging paragraphs. O'Brien draws a line from Auden through Fuller to Fenton, so I wonder how Fenton views his more famous predecessor. Fenton certainly has a business head: he's written several librettos (which have been performed) for the bigger opera companies and his latest work is an illustrated history of the Royal Academy which, if i were mean-spirited, sounds like a coffee-table book. "Out of Danger" isn't bad, imo, just not that good. I thought they were all "postmodern" but then I realised that I had little idea what postmodern means. Roger On 1/18/06, Paul Murphy wrote: > so how would you depict the real Andrew Motion? (I > must say that Motion has always been very kind when > answering any requests Ive made to him. I appreciate > this....) PM > > --- James Cervantes wrote: > > > "her superstar status"??? How . . . how provincial. > > > > - the other Jim > > > > On 1/17/06, JforJames at aol.com > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://books.guardian.co.uk/specialreports/whitbread/story/0,6194,101793,00.html > > > But her superstar status was noticed by the rest > > of the world only when the > > > government decided not to make Duffy poet laureate > > after the death of Ted > > > Hughes earlier this year - because, as a Downing > > Street official told a > > > reporter, "Blair is worried about having a > > homosexual as poet laureate > > > because of how it might play in middle England." > > Thus, Duffy became a > > > caricature - the lesbian single-parent, with a > > black partner, from a > > > Scottish working-class background - rejected in > > favour of Andrew Motion - > > > similarly caricatured as a public-school, > > Oxford-educated, married, white > > > male toff. The media set up an opposition between > > the Oxbridge-style poets > > > who have the power: Motion, James Fenton, Craig > > Raine; and the "postmodern > > > provincials" who'd been rejected yet again: Duffy, > > Don Paterson, Liz > > > Lochhead, Simon Armitage. The decision was > > labelled "a disgrace", "an insult > > > to the country's intelligence" and, infamously, "a > > bag o'shite". Suddenly, > > > Duffy was headline news, doorstepped by > > journalists obsessed with her > > > sexuality, misquoted, a celebrity. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > New-Poetry mailing list > > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Fri Jan 20 08:39:04 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:39:04 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' References: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com><20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <063c01c61dc6$e1ce94a0$c5be8a56@andrew1d83eb60> From: "Roger Day" > O'Brien draws a line from Auden > through Fuller to Fenton, so I wonder how Fenton views his more famous > predecessor. It's struck me, and the words from Sean O'Brien that Roger quotes above would reinforce this, that James Fenton is the closest thing in the UK to a New Formalist poet -- a Dana Gioia for subjects, not citizens. Below is one of my favourite Fenton poems -- not his best, maybe, but I really like it. (How's that for an acute postmodernist critical statement?) Robin Hamilton **************************** The Skip I took my life and threw it on the skip, Reckoning the next-door neighbours wouldn't mind If my life hitched a lift to the council tip With their dry rot and rubble. What you find With skips is - the whole community joins in. Old mattresses appear, doors kind of drift Along with all that won't fit in the bin And what the bin-men can't be fished to shift. I threw away my life, and there it lay And grew quite sodden. `What a dreadful shame,' Clucked some old bag and sucked her teeth: 'The way The young these days ... no values ... me, I blame...' But I blamed no one. Quality control Had loused it up, and that was that. 'Nough said. I couldn't stick at home. I took a stroll And passed the skip, and left my life for dead. Without my life, the beer was just as foul, The landlord still as filthy as his wife, The chicken in the basket was an owl, And no one said: `Ee, Jim-lad, whur's thee life?' Well, I got back that night the worse for wear, But still just capable of single vision ; Looked in the skip; my life - it wasn't there! Some bugger'd nicked it - without my permission. Okay, so I got angry and began To shout, and woke the street. Okay. Okay! And I was sick all down the neighbour's van. And I disgraced myself on the par-kay. And then ... you know how if you've had a few You'll wake at dawn, all healthy, like sea breezes, Raring to go, and thinking: `Clever you! You've got away with it.' And then, oh Jesus, It hits you. Well, that morning, just at six I woke, got up and looked down at the skip. There lay my life, still sodden, on the bricks; There lay my poor old life, arse over tip. Or was it mine? Still dressed, I went downstairs And took a long cool look. The truth was dawning. Someone had just exchanged my life for theirs. Poor fool, I thought - I should have left a warning. Some bastard saw my life and thought it nicer Than what he had. Yet what he'd had seemed fine. He'd never caught his fingers in the slicer The way I'd managed in that life of mine. His life lay glistening in the rain, neglected, Yet still a decent, an authentic life. Some people I can think of, I reflected Would take that thing as soon as you'd say Knife. It seemed a shame to miss a chance like that. I brought the life in, dried it by the stove. It looked so fetching, stretched out on the mat. I tried it on. It fitted, like a glove. And now, when some local bat drops off the twig And new folk take the house, and pull up floors And knock down walls and hire some kind of big Container (say, a skip) for their old doors, I'll watch it like a hawk, and every day I'll make at least - oh - half a dozen trips. I've furnished an existence in that way. You'd not believe the things you find on skips. JAMES FENTON From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 20 09:42:28 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:42:28 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' References: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com><20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <063c01c61dc6$e1ce94a0$c5be8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <0c6401c61dcf$bd8dcb20$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Well it's a good example of that kind of hangdog, down-in-the-mouth, half-a-pint of cheapest bitter with a straw between two postwar Brit style, sort of Tony Hancock with the aspirations. Some lines are striking: I like: > What you find > > With skips is - the whole community joins in.< that's a fresh perception. At the same time though one has these readymade phrases tagging along: >It fitted, like a glove< or > I'll watch it like a hawk< which, I'd hazard, serve a function akin to the self-fulfilling, bringing expectation what it already expects. Best dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Hamilton" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' > From: "Roger Day" > > > O'Brien draws a line from Auden > > through Fuller to Fenton, so I wonder how Fenton views his more famous > > predecessor. > > It's struck me, and the words from Sean O'Brien that Roger quotes above > would reinforce this, that James Fenton is the closest thing in the UK to a > New Formalist poet -- a Dana Gioia for subjects, not citizens. > > Below is one of my favourite Fenton poems -- not his best, maybe, but I > really like it. > > (How's that for an acute postmodernist critical statement?) > > Robin Hamilton > > **************************** > > The Skip > > I took my life and threw it on the skip, > Reckoning the next-door neighbours wouldn't mind > If my life hitched a lift to the council tip > With their dry rot and rubble. What you find > > With skips is - the whole community joins in. > Old mattresses appear, doors kind of drift > Along with all that won't fit in the bin > And what the bin-men can't be fished to shift. > > I threw away my life, and there it lay > And grew quite sodden. `What a dreadful shame,' > Clucked some old bag and sucked her teeth: 'The way > The young these days ... no values ... me, I blame...' > > But I blamed no one. Quality control > Had loused it up, and that was that. > 'Nough said. I couldn't stick at home. I took a stroll > And passed the skip, and left my life for dead. > > Without my life, the beer was just as foul, > The landlord still as filthy as his wife, > The chicken in the basket was an owl, > And no one said: `Ee, Jim-lad, whur's thee life?' > > Well, I got back that night the worse for wear, > But still just capable of single vision ; > Looked in the skip; my life - it wasn't there! > Some bugger'd nicked it - without my permission. > > Okay, so I got angry and began > To shout, and woke the street. Okay. Okay! > And I was sick all down the neighbour's van. > And I disgraced myself on the par-kay. > > And then ... you know how if you've had a few > You'll wake at dawn, all healthy, like sea breezes, > Raring to go, and thinking: `Clever you! > You've got away with it.' And then, oh Jesus, > > It hits you. Well, that morning, just at six > I woke, got up and looked down at the skip. > There lay my life, still sodden, on the bricks; > There lay my poor old life, arse over tip. > > Or was it mine? Still dressed, I went downstairs > And took a long cool look. The truth was dawning. > Someone had just exchanged my life for theirs. > Poor fool, I thought - I should have left a warning. > > Some bastard saw my life and thought it nicer > Than what he had. Yet what he'd had seemed fine. > He'd never caught his fingers in the slicer > The way I'd managed in that life of mine. > > His life lay glistening in the rain, neglected, > Yet still a decent, an authentic life. > Some people I can think of, I reflected > Would take that thing as soon as you'd say Knife. > > It seemed a shame to miss a chance like that. > I brought the life in, dried it by the stove. > It looked so fetching, stretched out on the mat. > I tried it on. It fitted, like a glove. > > And now, when some local bat drops off the twig > And new folk take the house, and pull up floors > And knock down walls and hire some kind of big > Container (say, a skip) for their old doors, > > I'll watch it like a hawk, and every day > I'll make at least - oh - half a dozen trips. > I've furnished an existence in that way. > You'd not believe the things you find on skips. > > JAMES FENTON > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Jan 20 10:49:51 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:49:51 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry & Power Message-ID: "Poetry and Power," an article from 1964 under John F. Kennedy's byline, is reprinted in the latest issue of *Atlantic Monthly*. http://www.theatlantic.com/ideastour/politics-and-presidents/kennedy-full.mh tml I wonder if Kennedy actually wrote a word of it. "In free society art is not a weapon, and it does not belong to the sphere of polemics and ideology. Artists are not engineers of the soul. It may be different elsewhere. But in a democratic society the highest duty of the writer, the composer, the artist, is to remain true to himself and to let the chips fall where they may. In serving his vision of the truth, the artist best serves his nation. And the nation which disdains the mission of art invites the fate of Robert Frost's hired man?the fate of having 'nothing to look backward to with pride, And nothing to look forward to with hope.' " ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Fri Jan 20 10:51:40 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:51:40 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' References: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com><20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com><063c01c61dc6$e1ce94a0$c5be8a56@andrew1d83eb60> <0c6401c61dcf$bd8dcb20$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <065301c61dd9$67cb4000$c5be8a56@andrew1d83eb60> > Well it's a good example of that kind of hangdog, down-in-the-mouth, > half-a-pint of cheapest bitter with a straw between two postwar Brit > style, > sort of Tony Hancock with the aspirations. It's got more wit than Philip Larking, and a punchy rhythm. > Some lines are striking: I like: > >> What you find >> >> With skips is - the whole community joins in.< > > that's a fresh perception. At the same time though one has these readymade > phrases tagging along: > >>It fitted, like a glove< or > I'll watch it like a hawk< > > which, I'd hazard, serve a function akin to the self-fulfilling, bringing > expectation what it already expects. Take your point, dave, but is the clich? element meant to characterise the speaker rather than the poet? (I'm more confident of this in the first case above.) There's always that problem with clich?s (and misspellings and grammatical errors) -- are they intended [as such] or not? I'd tend to trust Fenton's ear enough to feel that it's deliberate here. Talking of [British] Martian poetry (though that's a thread elsewhere), there's a sort-of link between Fenton and Craig / Reid -- "A Kingfisher in Boxing Gloves" successfully deploys the surrealism and extreme metaphor that Raine and Christopher Reid trivialise. Robin From rog3r.day at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 12:07:24 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:07:24 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... In-Reply-To: <2d8.de21c2.30fd19bd@aol.com> References: <2d8.de21c2.30fd19bd@aol.com> Message-ID: Celan: "Poetry does not impose itself, it exposes." On 1/16/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > "A good poem is a contribution to reality. The world is never the same once > a good > > poem has been added to it. A good poem helps to change the shape of the > universe, helps to extend everyone's knowledge of himself and the world > around him." > > --Dylan Thomas > > > > (this quote is all over the net, but I couldn't find the source) > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Jan 20 14:22:06 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:22:06 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... References: <2d8.de21c2.30fd19bd@aol.com> Message-ID: <002401c61df6$cf487370$5ded3652@ANNY> Hi Roger, don't you think it might fit better under: What is poetry? http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=287 Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Day" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... > Celan: "Poetry does not impose itself, it exposes." > > On 1/16/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> "A good poem is a contribution to reality. The world is never the same >> once >> a good >> >> poem has been added to it. A good poem helps to change the shape of the >> universe, helps to extend everyone's knowledge of himself and the world >> around him." >> >> --Dylan Thomas >> >> >> >> (this quote is all over the net, but I couldn't find the source) >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > > -- > http://www.badstep.net/ > http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Jan 20 14:39:35 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:39:35 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Commission by Ezra Pound Message-ID: <004c01c61df9$3ec44470$5ded3652@ANNY> ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: anny.ballardini at tin.it Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: [NarcissusWorks] Commission by Ezra Pound Go, my songs, to the lonely and the unsatisfied, Go also to the nerve wracked, go to the enslaved by convention, Bear to them my contempt for their oppressors. Go as a great wave of cool water, Bear my contempt of oppressors. Speak against unconscious oppression, Speak against the tyranny of the unimaginative, Speak against bonds. Go to the bourgeoise who is dying of her ennuis, Go to the women in suburbs. Go to the hideously wedded, Go to them whose failure is concealed, Go to the unluckily mated, Go to the bought wife, Go to the woman entailed. Go to those who have delicate lust, Go to those whose delicate desires are thwarted, Go like a blight upon the dullness of the world, Go with your edge against this, Strengthen the subtle cords, Bring confidence upon the algae and the tentacles of the soul. Go in a friendly manner, Go with an open speech. Be eager to find new evils and new good, Be against all forms of oppression. Go to those who are thickened with middle age, To those who have lost their interest. Go to the adolescent who are smothered in family___ Oh how hideous it is To see three generations of one house gathered together! It is like an old tree with shoots, And with some branches rotted and falling. Go out and defy opinion, Go against this vegetable bondage of the blood. Be against all sorts of mortmain. Pound Poems & Translations __The Library of America *** -- Posted by Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 1/20/2006 08:31:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Jan 20 15:17:36 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:17:36 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... References: <2d8.de21c2.30fd19bd@aol.com> <002401c61df6$cf487370$5ded3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <007801c61dfe$8ed6fa70$4cb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> > Hi Roger, > > don't you think it might fit better under: What is poetry? Or What is poetry or anything else you want to substitute for the word, "Poetry?" --Bob G. From JforJames at aol.com Fri Jan 20 17:31:48 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:31:48 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Adam Golaski? Message-ID: <1b8.2325833b.3102bed4@aol.com> golaski at juno.com was this the guy you were thinking of? Jim F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Fri Jan 20 17:33:56 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:33:56 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] misdirected message Message-ID: <127.6b7ffdbf.3102bf54@aol.com> wrong way message..ignore. Finnegan In a message dated 1/20/2006 5:32:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, JforJames at aol.com writes: golaski at juno.com was this the guy you were thinking of? Jim F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A leading contemporary poet, Isaka Yohko, describes Ishigaki?s poetry as ? contemptuous of arrogance and power? and as possessing a universal quality in her exploration of the quotidian... -- Words A line of a poem floats into my mind Vividly Then suddenly deserts me. Like the fish that got away Sometimes it never comes back There are times days and months later When it appears right before my eyes. In June last year I met by chance in an underwater viewing platform in Okinawa A fish as big as a parrot-fish. Staring at me full in face from behind the glass It departed, completely unruffled. Appeared again and departed once more. What was it? The eye that stared at me? As far as that fish is concerned Who can say that I am not words? ? Translation: 2005, Leith Morton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu Fri Jan 20 18:25:19 2006 From: rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu (Richard Wilsnack) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:25:19 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Todd Heardon: The Singers In-Reply-To: <063c01c61dc6$e1ce94a0$c5be8a56@andrew1d83eb60> References: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com><20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <063c01c61dc6$e1ce94a0$c5be8a56@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: <43D1715F.7010305@medicine.nodak.edu> I don't usually hang on to poems that articulate feelings that I'd rather not think about. So when I can't stop thinking about a poem that does that, maybe it is worth sharing with a more critical audience. The poem is Todd Hearon's "The Singers," which appeared in the December 2005 issue of _Poetry_. Richard W. Wilsnack rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu ------------------------------------ The Singers They are not angels though they have the hollow look of beings bred on ether. There's an air of cool removal from your life, the hawk's indifference to the hare's terror. You see it in their palms, raised casually against the fresco's surface, as to glass of submarine or spacecraft, and you see it in their eyes, oracular, that let you pass alone to unknown agony. The song they sing is merely time. Todd Hearon From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Jan 21 11:56:53 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:56:53 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Todd Heardon: The Singers References: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com><20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <063c01c61dc6$e1ce94a0$c5be8a56@andrew1d83eb60> <43D1715F.7010305@medicine.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <002c01c61eab$ae41da30$2ea33852@ANNY> Quite an anguishing white poem, this morning it had meaning, tonight a different one, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wilsnack" To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:25 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Todd Heardon: The Singers >I don't usually hang on to poems that articulate feelings that I'd rather >not think about. So when I can't stop thinking about a poem that does that, >maybe it is worth sharing with a more critical audience. The poem is Todd >Hearon's "The Singers," which appeared in the December 2005 issue of >_Poetry_. > > Richard W. Wilsnack > rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu > > ------------------------------------ > > The Singers > > They are not angels > > though they have the hollow look > > of beings bred on ether. There's an air > > of cool removal from your life, the hawk's > > indifference to the hare's terror. > > You see it in their palms, raised casually > > against the fresco's surface, as to glass > > of submarine or spacecraft, and you see > > it in their eyes, oracular, that let you pass > > alone to unknown agony. The song > > they sing is merely time. > > > Todd Hearon > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 12:09:13 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:09:13 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Todd Heardon: The Singers In-Reply-To: <002c01c61eab$ae41da30$2ea33852@ANNY> References: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com> <20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <063c01c61dc6$e1ce94a0$c5be8a56@andrew1d83eb60> <43D1715F.7010305@medicine.nodak.edu> <002c01c61eab$ae41da30$2ea33852@ANNY> Message-ID: <731bb17a0601210909t6d9910d9m35d3d5149a01e296@mail.gmail.com> How are you reading this poem, Anny? I'm not following your "anguishing white" reading. Jeff On 1/21/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > Quite an anguishing white poem, this morning it had meaning, tonight a > different one, > > Anny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Wilsnack" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:25 AM > Subject: [New-Poetry] Todd Heardon: The Singers > > > >I don't usually hang on to poems that articulate feelings that I'd rather > >not think about. So when I can't stop thinking about a poem that does > that, > >maybe it is worth sharing with a more critical audience. The poem is Todd > >Hearon's "The Singers," which appeared in the December 2005 issue of > >_Poetry_. > > > > Richard W. Wilsnack > > rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > The Singers > > > > They are not angels > > > > though they have the hollow look > > > > of beings bred on ether. There's an air > > > > of cool removal from your life, the hawk's > > > > indifference to the hare's terror. > > > > You see it in their palms, raised casually > > > > against the fresco's surface, as to glass > > > > of submarine or spacecraft, and you see > > > > it in their eyes, oracular, that let you pass > > > > alone to unknown agony. The song > > > > they sing is merely time. > > > > > > Todd Hearon > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This morning I accepted the _hawk's indifference_ while it is impossible for me now, how can an hawk be indifferent to its prey /there is blood and instinct, instead. palms -raised casually (this casually rings several alarming bells fresco with glass alone agony this makes of it an anguishing white poem, as if time was white and cold. Just a thick fog distancing what is around. From: Jeff Newberry Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:09 PM How are you reading this poem, Anny? I'm not following your "anguishing white" reading. Jeff On 1/21/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: Quite an anguishing white poem, this morning it had meaning, tonight a different one, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wilsnack" To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:25 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Todd Heardon: The Singers >I don't usually hang on to poems that articulate feelings that I'd rather >not think about. So when I can't stop thinking about a poem that does that, >maybe it is worth sharing with a more critical audience. The poem is Todd >Hearon's "The Singers," which appeared in the December 2005 issue of >_Poetry_. > > Richard W. Wilsnack > rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu > > ------------------------------------ > > The Singers > > They are not angels > > though they have the hollow look > > of beings bred on ether. There's an air > > of cool removal from your life, the hawk's > > indifference to the hare's terror. > > You see it in their palms, raised casually > > against the fresco's surface, as to glass > > of submarine or spacecraft, and you see > > it in their eyes, oracular, that let you pass > > alone to unknown agony. The song > > they sing is merely time. > > > Todd Hearon > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So when I can't stop thinking about a poem that does > > that, > > >maybe it is worth sharing with a more critical audience. The poem is > > Todd > > >Hearon's "The Singers," which appeared in the December 2005 issue of > > >_Poetry_. > > > > > > Richard W. Wilsnack > > > rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > The Singers > > > > > > They are not angels > > > > > > though they have the hollow look > > > > > > of beings bred on ether. There's an air > > > > > > of cool removal from your life, the hawk's > > > > > > indifference to the hare's terror. > > > > > > You see it in their palms, raised casually > > > > > > against the fresco's surface, as to glass > > > > > > of submarine or spacecraft, and you see > > > > > > it in their eyes, oracular, that let you pass > > > > > > alone to unknown agony. The song > > > > > > they sing is merely time. > > > > > > > > > Todd Hearon > > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rog3r.day at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 13:47:20 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:47:20 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... In-Reply-To: <002401c61df6$cf487370$5ded3652@ANNY> References: <2d8.de21c2.30fd19bd@aol.com> <002401c61df6$cf487370$5ded3652@ANNY> Message-ID: sorry, that was a random thought - i was listening to the play on r4 about celan and browsing things and thought the quote an antithesis to the dylan quote, or at least, a useful collision of thoughts for discussion - hadn't realised that the thread was dedicated to a specific objective with categorisation and all in mind... roger On 1/20/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Hi Roger, > > don't you think it might fit better under: What is poetry? > http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=287 > > Anny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Day" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... > > > > Celan: "Poetry does not impose itself, it exposes." > > > > On 1/16/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "A good poem is a contribution to reality. The world is never the same > >> once > >> a good > >> > >> poem has been added to it. A good poem helps to change the shape of the > >> universe, helps to extend everyone's knowledge of himself and the world > >> around him." > >> > >> --Dylan Thomas > >> > >> > >> > >> (this quote is all over the net, but I couldn't find the source) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > http://www.badstep.net/ > > http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From JforJames at aol.com Sat Jan 21 13:51:50 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:51:50 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Commission by Ezra Pound Message-ID: <1f8.19ec2bab.3103dcc6@aol.com> Anny, I guess Ez meant 'go against all forms of oppression except Fascism'? I like the drive and verve of this poem, but too bad it's so undercut by the poet's biography. I had to look up 'mortmain': from the Latin meaning 'dead hand'; being a person's legal attempt to control his/her property after death/postmortem. Finnegan In a message dated 1/20/2006 2:40:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, anny.ballardini at tin.it writes: Go, my songs, to the lonely and the unsatisfied, Go also to the nerve wracked, go to the enslaved by convention, Bear to them my contempt for their oppressors. Go as a great wave of cool water, Bear my contempt of oppressors. Speak against unconscious oppression, Speak against the tyranny of the unimaginative, Speak against bonds. Go to the bourgeoise who is dying of her ennuis, Go to the women in suburbs. Go to the hideously wedded, Go to them whose failure is concealed, Go to the unluckily mated, Go to the bought wife, Go to the woman entailed. Go to those who have delicate lust, Go to those whose delicate desires are thwarted, Go like a blight upon the dullness of the world, Go with your edge against this, Strengthen the subtle cords, Bring confidence upon the algae and the tentacles of the soul. Go in a friendly manner, Go with an open speech. Be eager to find new evils and new good, Be against all forms of oppression. Go to those who are thickened with middle age, To those who have lost their interest. Go to the adolescent who are smothered in family___ Oh how hideous it is To see three generations of one house gathered together! It is like an old tree with shoots, And with some branches rotted and falling. Go out and defy opinion, Go against this vegetable bondage of the blood. Be against all sorts of mortmain. Pound Poems & Translations __The Library of America *** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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English poetry seemed to be in decline... as to fenton being the parallel of goia, couldn't you have gotten that from fentons poetry? i definitely don't understand post-modernism. it doesn't seem to be doing much with the language. it's more like a 70's comedy stand-up piece, complete with funny northern accents. so he's "in character" it seems so the cliches might fit in that way. i'm just surprised a mother-in-law didn't make an appearance! so it fits in with Larkins anti-intellectual englishness to a tee, not sure the punchiness and "wit" make it any better just a little different... jesus and wheezes? roger a citizen of europe On 1/20/06, David Bircumshaw wrote: > Well it's a good example of that kind of hangdog, down-in-the-mouth, > half-a-pint of cheapest bitter with a straw between two postwar Brit style, > sort of Tony Hancock with the aspirations. Some lines are striking: I like: > > > What you find > > > > With skips is - the whole community joins in.< > > that's a fresh perception. At the same time though one has these readymade > phrases tagging along: > > >It fitted, like a glove< or > I'll watch it like a hawk< > > which, I'd hazard, serve a function akin to the self-fulfilling, bringing > expectation what it already expects. > > Best > > dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Hamilton" > To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views" > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' > > > > From: "Roger Day" > > > > > O'Brien draws a line from Auden > > > through Fuller to Fenton, so I wonder how Fenton views his more famous > > > predecessor. > > > > It's struck me, and the words from Sean O'Brien that Roger quotes above > > would reinforce this, that James Fenton is the closest thing in the UK to > a > > New Formalist poet -- a Dana Gioia for subjects, not citizens. > > > > Below is one of my favourite Fenton poems -- not his best, maybe, but I > > really like it. > > > > (How's that for an acute postmodernist critical statement?) > > > > Robin Hamilton > > > > **************************** > > > > The Skip > > > > I took my life and threw it on the skip, > > Reckoning the next-door neighbours wouldn't mind > > If my life hitched a lift to the council tip > > With their dry rot and rubble. What you find > > > > With skips is - the whole community joins in. > > Old mattresses appear, doors kind of drift > > Along with all that won't fit in the bin > > And what the bin-men can't be fished to shift. > > > > I threw away my life, and there it lay > > And grew quite sodden. `What a dreadful shame,' > > Clucked some old bag and sucked her teeth: 'The way > > The young these days ... no values ... me, I blame...' > > > > But I blamed no one. Quality control > > Had loused it up, and that was that. > > 'Nough said. I couldn't stick at home. I took a stroll > > And passed the skip, and left my life for dead. > > > > Without my life, the beer was just as foul, > > The landlord still as filthy as his wife, > > The chicken in the basket was an owl, > > And no one said: `Ee, Jim-lad, whur's thee life?' > > > > Well, I got back that night the worse for wear, > > But still just capable of single vision ; > > Looked in the skip; my life - it wasn't there! > > Some bugger'd nicked it - without my permission. > > > > Okay, so I got angry and began > > To shout, and woke the street. Okay. Okay! > > And I was sick all down the neighbour's van. > > And I disgraced myself on the par-kay. > > > > And then ... you know how if you've had a few > > You'll wake at dawn, all healthy, like sea breezes, > > Raring to go, and thinking: `Clever you! > > You've got away with it.' And then, oh Jesus, > > > > It hits you. Well, that morning, just at six > > I woke, got up and looked down at the skip. > > There lay my life, still sodden, on the bricks; > > There lay my poor old life, arse over tip. > > > > Or was it mine? Still dressed, I went downstairs > > And took a long cool look. The truth was dawning. > > Someone had just exchanged my life for theirs. > > Poor fool, I thought - I should have left a warning. > > > > Some bastard saw my life and thought it nicer > > Than what he had. Yet what he'd had seemed fine. > > He'd never caught his fingers in the slicer > > The way I'd managed in that life of mine. > > > > His life lay glistening in the rain, neglected, > > Yet still a decent, an authentic life. > > Some people I can think of, I reflected > > Would take that thing as soon as you'd say Knife. > > > > It seemed a shame to miss a chance like that. > > I brought the life in, dried it by the stove. > > It looked so fetching, stretched out on the mat. > > I tried it on. It fitted, like a glove. > > > > And now, when some local bat drops off the twig > > And new folk take the house, and pull up floors > > And knock down walls and hire some kind of big > > Container (say, a skip) for their old doors, > > > > I'll watch it like a hawk, and every day > > I'll make at least - oh - half a dozen trips. > > I've furnished an existence in that way. > > You'd not believe the things you find on skips. > > > > JAMES FENTON > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From hruggier at localnet.com Sat Jan 21 14:42:53 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:42:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Black Zinnias References: <2c2.2561ac1.3103e204@aol.com> Message-ID: <001d01c61ec2$df6206f0$6600a8c0@Helen> What sort of poetry are you after? We should develop a list that an editor could check off deep image surreal fence wm's angst my ethnic group has been dumped on by you guys nature poems women's Bob, do you care to jump in on this? ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Black Zinnias Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:09:08 +0000 From: laura oliver Subject: Black Zinnias seeks submissions Hello, Black Zinnias seeks submissions of poetry, short stories, interviews, etc., for our third issue, which will be perfect bound, full color cover. Please refer to the Black Zinnias website for our submission guidelines at: www.blackzinnias.org. Please send your submissions to me in a Word document at: laura at calartsandletters.org Also, please forward this to anyone you think may be interested. best wishes, Laura Oliver ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthew.shindell at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 15:02:21 2006 From: matthew.shindell at gmail.com (Matthew Shindell) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:02:21 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] If not an alligator . . . Message-ID: <3f273e940601211202y6e6bbaf7q35419399d97f6725@mail.gmail.com> This Sunday on the radio, Matthew Shindell wrestles an alligator and loses. Presumably. Certainly. If the alligator shows. (He never calls.) But before this, Sally Ball reads from her Barrow Street Poetry Prize winning book Annus Mirabilis. There will also be poems by Matthew Thornburn and others. So join us. Tune in at 4pm PST at http://ksdt.ucsd.edu/. And soon to be uploaded, the ACTIONBOOKS show from January 8. Gingerly, Matthew Shindell -- My Vocabulary: Poems and Music Hosted by Matthew Shindell Music by Michel Cazary Sundays 4-6 pm (PST) on KSDT (http://ksdt.ucsd.edu/) http://myvocabulary.blogspot.com MyVocabulary at gmail.com -- Matthew Shindell Position of No Authority La Jolla, CA From JforJames at aol.com Sat Jan 21 15:14:05 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:14:05 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Black Zinnias Message-ID: The editor is laura oliver (see her email below). She'd be the one to query. In a message dated 1/21/2006 2:43:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, hruggier at localnet.com writes: What sort of poetry are you after? We should develop a list that an editor could check off deep image surreal fence wm's angst my ethnic group has been dumped on by you guys nature poems women's Bob, do you care to jump in on this? 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Finnegan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Sat Jan 21 16:42:54 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:42:54 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' References: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com><20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com><063c01c61dc6$e1ce94a0$c5be8a56@andrew1d83eb60><0c6401c61dcf$bd8dcb20$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <00b401c61ed3$a35ad6d0$4def9156@andrew1d83eb60> > as to fenton being the parallel of goia, couldn't you have gotten that > from fentons poetry? Oh sure -- Sean O'Brien's words simply gave me a hook to hang this on. To extend the parallel, both Fenton and Gioia write a fair bit of criticism which reflects their metrical practice and tastes. A difference would be that Fenton doesn't seem to be part of, or have formed, a school. He's influential/powerful, but not as a model for other writers, as far as I can see. (He came out of the Martin Amis/Christopher Hitchins/James Fenton axis originally, didn't he? Prose and journalism rather than poetry. Bit odd altogether.) > i definitely don't understand post-modernism. Me neither, but insofar as I understand it, I wouldn't see Fenton as postmodernist. > it doesn't seem to be doing much with the language. it's more like a > 70's comedy stand-up piece, complete with funny northern accents. Well yeah, I concur somewhat. But I think it's pretty good stand-up comedy, with mibee Tony Hancock behind it somewhere. > so > he's "in character" it seems so the cliches might fit in that way. i'm > just surprised a mother-in-law didn't make an appearance! so it fits > in with Larkins anti-intellectual englishness to a tee, not sure the > punchiness and "wit" make it any better just a little different... > jesus and wheezes? Concur again, but with Larkin it's pervasive, he's rarely out of that character or versions thereof, and gives the appearance of taking himself all too seriously, while "The Skip" isn't at all typical Fenton. As such, it was perhaps a bad one for me to put forward, but I like it all the same. And it's relatively short for Fenton. Is "A Staffordshire Murderer" on the Web anywhere? Robin From JforJames at aol.com Sat Jan 21 18:02:28 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:02:28 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] girly, difficult and irrelevant Message-ID: <110.5a1d6c80.31041784@aol.com> _http://www.smh.com.au/news/books/poetry-in-motion/2006/01/19/1137553703044.ht ml_ (http://www.smh.com.au/news/books/poetry-in-motion/2006/01/19/1137553703044.html) (http://www.smh.com.au/news/books/poetry-in-motion/2006/01/19/1137553703044.html) Poetry in Motion By John Crace January 21, 2006 The monarchist ... Andrew Motion was made the royal poet in 1999. Photo: Adrian Mealing Mentored by Auden and Larkin, the poet laureate is now recording the poetry of the present. A common attitude to poetry can be summed up in three words: girly, difficult and irrelevant. "It is depressing," says Andrew Motion, poet laureate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rog3r.day at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 18:16:43 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:16:43 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' In-Reply-To: <00b401c61ed3$a35ad6d0$4def9156@andrew1d83eb60> References: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com> <20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <063c01c61dc6$e1ce94a0$c5be8a56@andrew1d83eb60> <0c6401c61dcf$bd8dcb20$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <00b401c61ed3$a35ad6d0$4def9156@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: see inline for comments... On 1/21/06, Robin Hamilton wrote: > > as to fenton being the parallel of goia, couldn't you have gotten that > > from fentons poetry? > > Oh sure -- Sean O'Brien's words simply gave me a hook to hang this on. To > extend the parallel, both Fenton and Gioia write a fair bit of criticism > which reflects their metrical practice and tastes. A difference would be > that Fenton doesn't seem to be part of, or have formed, a school. He's > influential/powerful, but not as a model for other writers, as far as I can > see. (He came out of the Martin Amis/Christopher Hitchins/James Fenton axis > originally, didn't he? Prose and journalism rather than poetry. Bit odd > altogether.) i was thinking about this. fenton was a journalist, his biogs make a lot out of his going abroad as a journalist after winning his prize. yet and yet...it's only dangerous insofar as he makes it dangerous, a journalist is a paid job and i cannot remember, and i cannot find any bylines which illustrate his genius as a reporter, his derring-do, his ability to bring the puppy home...and the biogs don't mention this so one must assume that he was a pretty mediocre journalist, not exactly the creme a la creme. just how did he become professor of poetry at oxford? Even by the example you've given or the stuff i've read, it seems one helluva stretch for this...mensch, this appratchik to make it that far. maybe i've been doing the wrong thing all these years. thankfully, there is no follower of fenton which leaves less weight with o'briens claims. > > i definitely don't understand post-modernism. > > Me neither, but insofar as I understand it, I wouldn't see Fenton as > postmodernist. yes...which inveighs against O'Brien, who I'm beginning to see as slovenly, if not at best a downright propagandist. his feather-weightness is beginning to float away in the distance... > > it doesn't seem to be doing much with the language. it's more like a > > 70's comedy stand-up piece, complete with funny northern accents. > > Well yeah, I concur somewhat. But I think it's pretty good stand-up comedy, > with mibee Tony Hancock behind it somewhere. yes, agree. still i shudder when i see the remnants. i love eric and ern but the rest...ugh. the wheeltappers and shunters...that was a really shit program, no? and it seems to me that he's heading towards the shameful half, the funny accents as an aside, my pride is here http://www.badstep.net/text/poetry/thecomics/fromthepits.html and my shame is here http://www.badstep.net/text/poetry/thecomics/shame.html > > so > > he's "in character" it seems so the cliches might fit in that way. i'm > > just surprised a mother-in-law didn't make an appearance! so it fits > > in with Larkins anti-intellectual englishness to a tee, not sure the > > punchiness and "wit" make it any better just a little different... > > jesus and wheezes? > > Concur again, but with Larkin it's pervasive, he's rarely out of that > character or versions thereof, and gives the appearance of taking himself > all too seriously, while "The Skip" isn't at all typical Fenton. As such, > it was perhaps a bad one for me to put forward, but I like it all the same. > And it's relatively short for Fenton. Is "A Staffordshire Murderer" on the > Web anywhere? well, you like it, and i respect your opinion. a lot. i did re-read it. see google for "staffordshire murderer" http://www.google.co.uk/search?hs=OW6&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial_s&q=%22staffordshire+murderer%22&btnG=Search&meta= sean o'brien likes it. i recommend Blake Morrison's "Ballad Of The Yorkshire Ripper" and Tony Harrisons "V" why do we celebrate our mass-murderers so? are we that joyful? roger -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From rog3r.day at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 18:40:22 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:40:22 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] contribution to: Why poetry exists... In-Reply-To: <159.5fd003c4.3103dede@aol.com> References: <159.5fd003c4.3103dede@aol.com> Message-ID: i have only some random thoughts about this.. the two statements, to me, seem to support each other. to expose seems to want to impose otoh celan knew that a certain form of poetry tends to mysticism (see Hoderlin), i guess this form wants to impose it's answers on you. Typically, it has the gnomic qualities people admire: it imposes a solution, an answer, you don't have to think to gain an answer, just respond, you fucking ape, like most hollywood movies, snap to, you fucking ape, you don't have to think, just respond, just give me your all, don't think about this, just go up and down and sideways like these words tell you. When I say believe, don't ask me what you believe in, just do it, you ape.. However, this form of a poem, the regimented emotionalism, which, for me, still holds sway in the religiosity of a lot of writers, had, for him, seen a lot of of people die. Maybe not as a *direct consequence, more as part of the propaganda which poetry is a part ("all art is propaganda", Orwell). As a consequence, if we take "expose" to be some form of exegetical basis on which to write poetry, then, we see poetry formed around a form of explanatory basis rather than a basis of acceptance. democratic rather than hierarchical. a way of avoiding holocausts to come rather than continuing the tradition, and i can see the tradition continuing as i type. todtnauberg is for me the finest poem ever written, in any language, by any poet. Roger On 1/21/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/21/2006 1:47:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rog3r.day at gmail.com writes: > > Celan: "Poetry does not impose itself, it exposes." > > > It's definitely got the ring of aphorism, Roger. But I want to disagree > (translation issues aside) with 'does not impose itself'...the poem recently > posted by Richard Wilsnack imposed itself enough on his mind that he > was impelled to post it to the list to get other's reactions. I guess > I'd argue that good poem can't help but imposing itself once it is > exposed to a reader/hearer. > Finnegan > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From rog3r.day at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 18:59:53 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:59:53 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Black Zinnias In-Reply-To: <012d01c61ecd$ac014090$2ea33852@ANNY> References: <2ce.203d118.3103f142@aol.com> <012d01c61ecd$ac014090$2ea33852@ANNY> Message-ID: I'm spinning a nice piece of pottery as i sit on this fence...it's got a grid-pattern on it's bottom...will that do? roger On 1/21/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > fence pottery might be the one written on the other side of the other side > of the fence, I mean right there where you are standing, > > i.e.: original > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JforJames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Black Zinnias > > > > In a message dated 1/21/2006 2:43:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, > hruggier at localnet.com writes: > > We should develop a list that an editor could check off > > deep image > surreal > fence > wm's angst > my ethnic group has been dumped on by you guys > nature poems > women's > > > Helen, what's 'fence' poetry...is that a label that arose > from the poetry published in the magazine FENCE? > Finnegan > > ________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From halvard at earthlink.net Sat Jan 21 19:10:21 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:10:21 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Black Zinnias In-Reply-To: References: <2ce.203d118.3103f142@aol.com> <012d01c61ecd$ac014090$2ea33852@ANNY> Message-ID: <0D5F7C69-D73E-45EC-BBCB-A1D92B48E240@earthlink.net> "Mugwump" is a nice term for a fence-sitter--mug on one side, wump on the other. Hal On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Roger Day wrote: > I'm spinning a nice piece of pottery as i sit on this fence...it's got > a grid-pattern on it's bottom...will that do? > > roger > > On 1/21/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> >> fence pottery might be the one written on the other side of the >> other side >> of the fence, I mean right there where you are standing, >> >> i.e.: original >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: JforJames at aol.com >> To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Black Zinnias >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/21/2006 2:43:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> hruggier at localnet.com writes: >> >> We should develop a list that an editor could check off >> >> deep image >> surreal >> fence >> wm's angst >> my ethnic group has been dumped on by you guys >> nature poems >> women's >> >> >> Helen, what's 'fence' poetry...is that a label that arose >> from the poetry published in the magazine FENCE? >> Finnegan >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > > -- > http://www.badstep.net/ > http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry "How beautiful it is to do nothing, and then rest afterward." --Spanish proverb Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net halvard at gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr.html From rog3r.day at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 20:25:12 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:25:12 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] In ' 99, Duffy was an 'outsider' In-Reply-To: References: <648208b60601171509s1f4fc5c9i8e0d53a05310341a@mail.gmail.com> <20060118162345.77932.qmail@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <063c01c61dc6$e1ce94a0$c5be8a56@andrew1d83eb60> <0c6401c61dcf$bd8dcb20$b8ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <00b401c61ed3$a35ad6d0$4def9156@andrew1d83eb60> Message-ID: then again, i've just realised that morrison and fenton and duffy "celebrate" working-class mass murderers. i guess owen et al pegged the upper-classes. anyone before that? Roger. > why do we celebrate our mass-murderers so? are we that joyful? -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Jan 22 06:22:24 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:22:24 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Commission by Ezra Pound References: <1f8.19ec2bab.3103dcc6@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a701c61f46$1f03c3b0$7eed3652@ANNY> The question is most controversial. Even Ez's adherence to Fascism is controversial. The much I know the little I know. One should maybe be more acquainted with the actual Italian situation at the time with analphabetism and medieval state systems still dominating: Ignazio Silone is a valuable prose author with his reports on the economic divisions, absolute poverty and misery of the farmers in the south close to starvation. I never had the courage to face this topic with Mary de Rachewiltz - but by siding with her she underlined that all his poetry has to be read and understood, not some random lines here and there. On the other hand every time I read something by EZ the "oppression" or his adherence to fascism hovers over my reading. He does not seem very involved in politics with the poem I sent in. I sometimes think of all the nonsense I say when I speak, that I could be sued for communism, fascism, anarchism, ignorance, knowledge, for being proud and miserable, silly and witty. Each statement has a context, each exaggeration a background from which it stems. I liked my professor of an updating course yesterday who said: "Those who intervene show or an excess of pride or great generosity", in-between these oscillations I think the arts should be set. Another hint could be given by the following example. I was talking of Karin Boye translated into English by Michael Peverett and praising Peverett's introduction of the poet: "... Karin Boye was actively engaged in many of the advanced intellectual movements of her time, but in form her poetry is only tangentially modernist; she translated both Kipling and Eliot but the former was more truly influential. Most of her poems are strictly metrical and rhymed, and they often draw on the popular tradition of Swedish hymns and folk-song. That is one reason for her continuing popularity, another being the inevitable interest attaching to a tragic and early death. But what most deserve attention are the force and clarity with which her poems express an idealism that she would not compromise." http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetsonpoets&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=21 And commenting on the choice of Peverett's words in formulating the following: "the inevitable interest in a tragic and early death". My association was with Cesare Pavese of whom I read his letters from prison. If you read his biography he committed suicide because of this American starlet who did not share his love, but as a matter of fact while reading his work I remember asking myself several times how this man could live/survive. His sensitive approach to reality being magnified, and misfortunes following one another. In his case, as in many others, we can talk of "induced suicide". To come back to Ezra Pound, was his statement "induced", I am asking. Myself first of all. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Commission by Ezra Pound Anny, I guess Ez meant 'go against all forms of oppression except Fascism'? I like the drive and verve of this poem, but too bad it's so undercut by the poet's biography. I had to look up 'mortmain': from the Latin meaning 'dead hand'; being a person's legal attempt to control his/her property after death/postmortem. Finnegan In a message dated 1/20/2006 2:40:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, anny.ballardini at tin.it writes: Go, my songs, to the lonely and the unsatisfied, Go also to the nerve wracked, go to the enslaved by convention, Bear to them my contempt for their oppressors. Go as a great wave of cool water, Bear my contempt of oppressors. Speak against unconscious oppression, Speak against the tyranny of the unimaginative, Speak against bonds. Go to the bourgeoise who is dying of her ennuis, Go to the women in suburbs. Go to the hideously wedded, Go to them whose failure is concealed, Go to the unluckily mated, Go to the bought wife, Go to the woman entailed. Go to those who have delicate lust, Go to those whose delicate desires are thwarted, Go like a blight upon the dullness of the world, Go with your edge against this, Strengthen the subtle cords, Bring confidence upon the algae and the tentacles of the soul. Go in a friendly manner, Go with an open speech. Be eager to find new evils and new good, Be against all forms of oppression. Go to those who are thickened with middle age, To those who have lost their interest. Go to the adolescent who are smothered in family___ Oh how hideous it is To see three generations of one house gathered together! It is like an old tree with shoots, And with some branches rotted and falling. Go out and defy opinion, Go against this vegetable bondage of the blood. Be against all sorts of mortmain. Pound Poems & Translations __The Library of America *** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Forgot which list I was on - the women poets list had a >>discussion about this last year - it's Alice Fulton sort of poetry - and yes, it appears in Fence hence what we ended up calling it. not quite s urreal and not quite language - a mix h >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> >> >> > > > -- > http://www.badstep.net/ > http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. 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Carrying a manifest with a destination, pulling their laden trailers over toll roads and interstates, terminal to terminal, on and off ramps, through the narrow passages of Jersey barriers. Somewhere out there in the blear of rain slick pavement, a driver nods at the wheel, veers off, about to get a rude awakening from a rumble strip along the shoulder, that will throw him back, upright, into his seat, just in time to see in the sideview mirror his load tipping over, the whole rig twisting, tumbling down into a ditch, or he never falls asleep but rides forever through the vast amnesia we call America. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Somewhere out there in the blear of rain slick pavement, a driver nods at the wheel, veers off, about to get a rude awakening from a rumble strip along the shoulder, that will throw him back, upright, into his seat, just in time to see in the sideview mirror his load tipping over, the whole rig twisting, tumbling down into a ditch, or he never falls asleep but rides forever through the vast amnesia we call America. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"There was no toast to the lassies or anything like that, but obviously there was the haggis and they toasted the bard with whisky," -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsillima at yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 00:31:12 2006 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:31:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060123053112.92387.qmail@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Prose poetry by women: Boxing inside the Box by Holly Iglesias in re Reznikoff Epigrams and aphorisms ? the compact poems of Alfred Starr Hamilton George Stanley and the value of quietness Borderless Bodies by Linh Dinh Another poet who died young - Joan Murray Poets who died young ? Samuel Greenberg, 1894-1917 52 neglected poets (at least in the eyes of Dan and Jessica Schneider) The First Hay(na)ku Anthology ? A stanza, not a poem Cinema as painting ? 2046 by Kar Wai Wong Metro by Curtis Faville Starred Wire by Ange Mlinko: Writing, the New York School and why aesthetic consistency is not voice Ken Rumble on Lucifer Poetics ? Writing & community in North Carolina http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Jan 23 11:17:34 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:17:34 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Cornkind Message-ID: Cornkind So the rain falls it drops all over the place and where it finds a little rock pool it fills it up with dirt and the corn grows a green Bette Davis sits under it reading a volume of William Morris oh fertility! beloved of the Western world you aren't so popular in China though they fuck too and do I really want a son to carry my idiocy past the Horned Gates poor kid a staggering load yet it can happen casually and he lifts a little of the load each day as I become more and more idiotic and grows to be a strong strong man and one day carries as I die my final idiocy and the very gates into a future of his choice but what of William Morris what of you Million Worries what of Bette Davis in AN EVENING WITH WILLIAM MORRIS or THE WORLD OF SAMUEL GREENBERG what of Hart Crane what of phonograph records and gin what of "what of" you are of me, that's what and that's the meaning of fertility hard and moist and moaning --Frank O'Hara. Lunch Poems. 1964. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just five years after Burns's death in 1796, the eight-man gathering convened in the cottage under the chairmanship of the Reverend Hamilton Paul. They toasted the memory of the late poet and dined on sheep's heid and haggis, after addressing the latter in Burns's already popular words. "There was no toast to the lassies or anything like that, but obviously there was the haggis and they toasted the bard with whisky," ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _There are local celebrations too - even here in upstate PA/NY we have a burns night celebration with pipers and haggis and recitations and of course Scotch. And a good time is had by all. h ______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. 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Gratitude and confidence and freedom from ourselves: these are signs that we have found our vocation and are living up to it even though everything else may seem to have gone wrong. They give us peace in any suffering. They teach us to laugh at despair. And we may have to." >From No Man is an Island by Thomas Merton. Harcourt, Brace Jovanovich Inc., New York, 1955. Page 140. Make a Contemplative Living Retreat! The Merton Foundation will begin offering weekend and four day Contemplative Living Retreats in 2006 at the Bethany Spring Retreat House located just one mile from the Abbey of Gethsemani. Based on the Approaches to Contemplative Living with Thomas Merton series, these small group, directed retreats offer an opportunity to reflect and dialogue on topics that lead to being more contemplative in everyday life and to experience the liturgy and prayer life of Gethsemani. March 17 - 19, 2006 (2 nights) Friday noon to Sunday afternoon. $200. May 8 - 11, 2006 (4 days) Monday noon through Thursday. $275. For information or registration call The Thomas Merton Foundation (800) 886-7275 or (502) 899-1991 Please note: If you did not receive this email from the Thomas Merton Foundation and you would like subscribe to our weekly reflection email list please click on this link! http://www.mertonfoundation.org/merton.php3?page=guestbook.ext Thank you! If you would like to comment on this quote or share your "Merton" story please reply to this email at rtoth at mertonfoundation.org To Unsubscribe: If you no longer want to receive this weekly reflection reply to this email with a note to remove you from the list. Robert G. Toth Executive Director Thomas Merton Foundation 2117 Payne Street Louisville, KY 40206 (502) 899-1957 rtoth at mertonfoundation.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wsamia at yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 16:39:50 2006 From: wsamia at yahoo.com (Samia) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:39:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] I need a Feed back, If You Please In-Reply-To: <9a.35489a87.310594c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060123213950.75321.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello everybody- I have been trying to publish this poem below (I have published worse in my view); and I get rejected each time. I just like it a lot Can I get feed back on it if you do not mind. Thank you This is just a footnote, though a microcosmic one perhaps, to the greater curve Of the elaboration; it asks no place in it, only insertion hors-texte as the invisible notion of how that day grew From planisphere to heaven, and what part in it all the ?I? had,[ ] John Ashbery??Sortes Vergilianae? Blurring Do not fill their voices with smoky air because shut mouths of despair are blocking their spit, their revived viruses, their weaknesses to tell the story when the noise of a rolling stone is swearing at god. Shall I, at least, say that memory is decayed that history is dismayed; the past is dead deeds and mythological dates are the land?s seeds as the sheep have forgotten about the wolf?s teeth clacking? Shall I say that Eternity means not a Calvin Klein?s perfume but looms above their hats and doom denying all celebrity? Or will you forget someday that trees have their leaves to be lost over heartless pebbles and frost? I have learnt from history that dam-builders will be forever damned. when the water will rise with the people?s tears, it will spare none. Shall I tell about a woman?s cry amid sounds and swear-words? Or loudly my voice will tell of female shapes whose bodies have been displaced from time and space in fashion magazines? Can I turn on a TV pretending to re-appropriate history or will its waves bring about voiceless shouts? Now, when writing is fired by scientific neutrality that cries: ?I AM THE WORLD!? Can I, at last, see purged tongues laying down their sandals and feet with no chance even to cheat or tell what their hearts hide? Will I be hanged when they will understand? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Mon Jan 23 18:36:17 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:36:17 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Richard Long at SFMOMA References: Message-ID: <003001c62075$ced0a300$5d2f8b56@andrew1d83eb60> This thread seems to be developing two separate lives, one on Poetics and the other (fuller) on Poetryetc. Now if Roger Day could just "accidentally" cross-post to New Poetry, perhaps Bob Grumman could get in on the act? Robin Hamilton, a.k.a. The Wombled Ferret ****************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vincent" To: Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: Re: Richard Long at SFMOMA > Often - as it seemed with Richard Long 'in performance - the politics of > rich and/or poor painters (or artists) is to ignore poets, poetry, and > 'us'. > I suspect - though I could be wrong - "they" - those kinds of artists - > do > not die from the lack of it (poetry). SNIP > Stephen Vincent >> And Max Jacob reading at parties of artists and writers. >> >> Poets tend to be driven by visual images at least as much as by text, >> except in the limited case of langpo and its cousins. SNIP >> Mark >> At 08:47 AM 1/23/2006, you wrote: >>> On 23/1/06 10:59 PM, "Roger Day" wrote: >>> >>>> People - particularly visual >>>> artists, have rubbed along without recourse to other disciplines quite >>>> happily for a long time now as far as I can see. There's a whole >>>> history of it. Read any biog of the major artists, look at photographs >>>> of them in their studios, their homes. I think you'll search a long >>>> time before you find evidence of books in those photos. [SNIP] From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Jan 24 15:39:06 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:39:06 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tom Beckett interviews Mark Young Message-ID: <007301c62126$38e8e9e0$73aa3252@ANNY> on e-x-c-h-a-n-g-e-v-a-l-u-e-s http://willtoexchange.blogspot.com/ quoting: We talked about the public persona earlier. When I went back to University after the (southern) Summer break I discovered I was now being treated as a Published Poet. I was asked to be the editor of the annual literary magazine - what a quaint phrase that seems now - was treated (almost) as an equal by the small number of other Published Poets in the place - all academics, none of them in the English Department - was expected to be A Poet, to Write Poetry. It almost fucking destroyed me. I began writing in a style that was diametrically opposed to those first poems - yes, the soq is in a valley - & wrote shit for the next couple of years, most of it published, now deliberately lost. What saved me was the publication of the Donald M. Allen anthology. It showed me that it was okay to write the way I'd started out writing, to be colloquial, to use lines as short or as long as I wanted them to be, that felt right for the piece. That, as I said earlier, it should be the poem that dictates the form, not the reverse. As for the second part of your question, where does poetry start for me for now, it doesn't, it just is. Where does breathing start? & anyway, how come you get all the one-liners? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 24 20:04:24 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:04:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tom Beckett interviews Mark Young References: <007301c62126$38e8e9e0$73aa3252@ANNY> Message-ID: <00d201c6214b$494350d0$4bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Why should the poem dictate the form? But, also, why should the form dictate the poem? 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In his 35 years, he composed forty-nine symphonies, forty concertos, and a wide range of other works, including operas such as The Marriage of Figaro (1784) and The Magic Flute (1791). Mozart wrote: "Neither a lofty degree of intelligence nor imagination nor both together make genius. Love, love, love, that is the soul of genius." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clitophon at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 07:41:21 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:41:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Berliner Ensemble In-Reply-To: <002901c6233d$2f61e5c0$18aa3852@ANNY> Message-ID: <20060127124121.13910.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sent my most recent opera to the Berliner Ensemble but they only do work in German, surprisingly, and they suggested that I send it to friends of Italian Opera, which sounded like a coy attempt to fob me off even though they know they cant resist it. I?ve read some of Brechts plays, mainly in English. I thought that most audiences would have difficulty with ?Leben das Galileo?, for instance. Far too complex, abstract and comfortless for the kind of bourgeois tarts who frequent our theatres. And that?s sad because Brecht?s vision of the theatre was too far ahead of its time and indeed, perhaps that time has ended. Perhaps the time in which Brecht could have been understood is now finished. Like Joyce, his work was universally condemned by Fascist, Capitalist and Communist regime alike. That?s a very sad reflection on our civilisation, but it was also the ?civilisation? that produced Stalingrad, Auschwitz, the Gulag Archipelago, British mental institutions, Little Rock and many, many more deeply unpleasant things. Ghandi was once asked what he thought of European civilisation and he replied ? think it would be a good idea?, which is also partly ambiguous and non-committal. What do you think of Joyce? I?ve read most of his works but not inside out. I think they?re strong and deeply influential but I can?t subscribe to the kind of egocentricity that Joyce often succumbed to. I mean, I don?t want to spend my life studying his work. His poetry is very ordinary which is a clue to his identity, I think, ie he wanted to be a great poet but fell back on rhyming, conventional verse. A strange paradox. Paul Murphy, Berlin, January 2006 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clitophon at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 07:41:53 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:41:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Berliner Ensemble In-Reply-To: <002901c6233d$2f61e5c0$18aa3852@ANNY> Message-ID: <20060127124153.13956.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sent my most recent opera to the Berliner Ensemble but they only do work in German, surprisingly, and they suggested that I send it to friends of Italian Opera, which sounded like a coy attempt to fob me off even though they know they cant resist it. I?ve read some of Brechts plays, mainly in English. I thought that most audiences would have difficulty with ?Leben das Galileo?, for instance. Far too complex, abstract and comfortless for the kind of bourgeois tarts who frequent our theatres. And that?s sad because Brecht?s vision of the theatre was too far ahead of its time and indeed, perhaps that time has ended. Perhaps the time in which Brecht could have been understood is now finished. Like Joyce, his work was universally condemned by Fascist, Capitalist and Communist regime alike. That?s a very sad reflection on our civilisation, but it was also the ?civilisation? that produced Stalingrad, Auschwitz, the Gulag Archipelago, British mental institutions, Little Rock and many, many more deeply unpleasant things. Ghandi was once asked what he thought of European civilisation and he replied ? think it would be a good idea?, which is also partly ambiguous and non-committal. What do you think of Joyce? I?ve read most of his works but not inside out. I think they?re strong and deeply influential but I can?t subscribe to the kind of egocentricity that Joyce often succumbed to. I mean, I don?t want to spend my life studying his work. His poetry is very ordinary which is a clue to his identity, I think, ie he wanted to be a great poet but fell back on rhyming, conventional verse. A strange paradox. Paul Murphy, Berlin, January 2006 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From halvard at earthlink.net Fri Jan 27 08:13:57 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:13:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Berliner Ensemble In-Reply-To: <20060127124121.13910.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060127124121.13910.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C8B550F-EF93-4704-AB5B-5F92A48E4B61@earthlink.net> On Jan 27, 2006, at 7:41 AM, Paul Murphy wrote: > What do you think of Joyce? I?ve read most of his > works but not inside out. I think they?re strong and > deeply influential but I can?t subscribe to the kind > of egocentricity that Joyce often succumbed to. I > mean, I don?t want to spend my life studying his work. > His poetry is very ordinary which is a clue to his > identity, I think, ie he wanted to be a great poet but > fell back on rhyming, conventional verse. A strange > paradox. Joyce's poetry was in his prose, as was Melville's. "You are at the highest level. There are no folders above this one." --a Microsoft message Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Jan 27 09:23:49 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:23:49 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Happiest to Mozart! In-Reply-To: <002901c6233d$2f61e5c0$18aa3852@ANNY> Message-ID: on 1/27/06 6:28 AM, Anny Ballardini at anny.ballardini at tin.it wrote: It is the birthday of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart , born in Salzburg, Austria (1756). ------------- Surprise This-- according to the voice on the radio, the host of a classical music program no less-- this is the birthday of Vivaldi. He would be 325 years old today, quite bent over, I would imagine, and not able to see much through his watery eyes. Surely he would be deaf by now, the clothes flaking off him, hair pitiably sparse. But we would throw a party for him anyway, a surprise party where everyone would hide behind the furniture to listen for the tap of his cane on the pavement and the sound of his dry, persistent cough. --Billy Collins. Nine Horses. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clitophon at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 09:26:51 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:26:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Hotel Les Nations In-Reply-To: <5C8B550F-EF93-4704-AB5B-5F92A48E4B61@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060127142651.73298.qmail@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So, sorted out with some accommodation although the architecture is definitely of the Stalinist era (I think they call it wedding cake style. grandiose, white, pimply buildings, so abstracted as to almost disappear beyond the skyline. Its hard to think that anyone could have such a minimalist or abstract imagination.) or rather a part of Berlin re-built after allied bombing (is hard to say which it is, the city has been through so much turmoil and still trying to establish its identity). Its still good to be here. I start work next week, 8 classes with Civil Servants from the Ministry of Agriculture. I?ve brought painting work with me so that I can get on with it even when I?m not teaching. There may also be some fallow days. I was in the Jugendherberge for 2 nights. Actually not bad but the loo paper is grey which just about sums up the rest of the facilities and the experience. (I think its the grey recycled paper, very ecological no doubt but not very good at their intended purpose) The Spree is frozen solid, with lumps of ice coagulating into little floes breaking the surface and then seeming to disappear. I?ve never seen a frozen river before. I have some days to myself now and intend to get on with my painting in that time, also visiting some of the museums to do a little sketching. Keeping myself to myself generally although I met a girl returning from a job in Sweden and struck up a friendship with her. She?s now returned to her home nr Leipzig. Visited the Kaiser Wilhelm Ged?chti? Kirche (aka hollow tooth - the roof was bombed in during the war hence the nickname) to see the Stalingrad Madonna, a loveless and wretched message in a bottle sent by the 6th Army during its encirclement - the most brutal and bloody battle in world history. The drawing was made of a Madonna and child by a German doctor on the back of map. There is an undoubted spirituality about it. The child and mother are wrapped foetus-like in a semi-circle. Around the pair words in German, life, love, peace, freedom, Christmas 1942, Stalingrad. Stayed in the hotel Les Nations in Zinzindorfer Str. for a night. They remembered me and gave me a room en suite at the economy price. The smart little man was there, speaking his perfect English and complimenting me on my bad German! I walked around the block, just enough time to gather icicles on my moustache and step into a steh cafe or imbi? joint for a roll and a coffee. Lots of Turks lounged around, smoking black tobacco and playing cards. PM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cervantes.james at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 10:21:09 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:21:09 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Berliner Ensemble In-Reply-To: <5C8B550F-EF93-4704-AB5B-5F92A48E4B61@earthlink.net> References: <20060127124121.13910.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5C8B550F-EF93-4704-AB5B-5F92A48E4B61@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <648208b60601270721t2e419fbbh82104b9e72564aa4@mail.gmail.com> On 1/27/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > > "You are at the highest level. There are no > folders above this one." > --a Microsoft message Yeah, let's stay in that folder. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 11:00:00 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:00:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poems by Others: Jennifer Moxley Message-ID: <731bb17a0601270800j1c1f2f32l2d2becd7f827f555@mail.gmail.com> The Line True faith does not need the state to enforce it. It makes neither hope, nor a shroud. We will walk out of the visible and accept the darkness. We will find the line. It extends backwards thousands of years and forward even further. The utterance cup, the gentle metric, old words new mind lost time and loves. You sensed it all along, but the knowledge was hopelessly muddled by the inherent drive to author new life. Now cut the spittle line spun into reason and enter the grave alone. Or write. Find time in words. Replace yourself cell by letter, let being be the alphabetic equation, immortality stay the name. from *Jacket *(http://jacketmagazine.com/27/moxley.html) Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Jan 27 15:09:35 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:09:35 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] virus? Message-ID: <002901c6237d$98242e70$c6a83852@ANNY> They say it is not an hoax: do not open a mail with "invitation" in the object sent to you by someone on your address book. The virus was discovered yesterday by McAfee. PER FAVORE FAI CIRCOLARE QUESTO AVVISO TRA I TUOI AMICI E CONTATTI. Nei prossimi giorni dovete stare attenti a non aprire nessun messaggio chiamato "invitation", indipendentemente da chi lo invia, ? un virus che "apre" una torcia olimpica che brucia il disco duro del pc. Questo virus verr? da una persona che avete nella lista dei contatti, per questo dovete divulgare questa mail, ? preferibile ricevere questo messaggio 25 volte che ricevere il virus ed aprirlo. Se ricevete un messaggio chiamato "invitation" non lo aprite e spegnete immediatamente il pc. ? il peggior virus annunciato dalla CNN classificato da Microsoft come il virus pi? distruttivo mai esistito. Questo virus ? stato scoperto ieri pomeriggio da MCAfee ? non c'? soluzione ancora per questo virus. Questo virus distrugge semplicemente il Settore Zero del disco duro dove l'informazione vitale ? nascosta. Invia questa mail a chi conosci, copia questa posta e spediscila ai tuoi amici e contatti e ricorda che se lo invii a tutti loro, ci beneficeremo tutti noi. Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From queenmouse at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 15:50:54 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:50:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Berliner Ensemble In-Reply-To: <648208b60601270721t2e419fbbh82104b9e72564aa4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060127124121.13910.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5C8B550F-EF93-4704-AB5B-5F92A48E4B61@earthlink.net> <648208b60601270721t2e419fbbh82104b9e72564aa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/27/06, James Cervantes wrote: > > On 1/27/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > > > > > "You are at the highest level. There are no > > folders above this one." > > --a Microsoft message > > Yeah, let's stay in that folder. I do like this. Great idea! :-) --Suzanne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amyhappens at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 16:29:52 2006 From: amyhappens at yahoo.com (amy king) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:29:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] For your listening pleasure ... Ron Padgett In-Reply-To: <002901c6237d$98242e70$c6a83852@ANNY> Message-ID: <20060127212952.12840.qmail@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A Brand Spankin' New Interview (& tiny poetry reading) with Ron Padgett: http://www.miporadio.com/ Or if you prefer to listen from ODEO: http://www.odeo.com/audio/633334/ Thank you, Didi Menendez and Amy King www.miporadio.com The poems are from his most recent collection, "You Never Know" (Coffee House Press): "Ron Padgett makes the most quiet and sensible of feelings a provocatively persistent wonder. You never know what he'll think of next!" -Robert Creeley "These 'late' poems of Ron Padgett have the clearness, the small sadness, and the big space of Guillaume Apollinaire, one of the many French writers he has translated into English. They are like a glass of transparent Vittel water held against the sky of Paris. 'I am forty-nine years old and surrounded by death. Does writing help? Probably not,' he writes in a poem about a friend who has since died. But Ron's writing helps us. Enormously." -John Ashbery "A Padgett classic. He has, with obvious premeditation and pleasure, employed his most characteristic "tricks" to produce a deep, funny book. The poet makes superlative use of the directive writing consciousness -- often automatic pilot -- to tap the unconscious for memory, vision, emotion, and the unexpected and indefinable. The poems speak backwards and forwards in time, to self, to family and friends, to poetic technique, to the birds caged in the chest. It is so lovely." -Alice Notley "Is there another American poet who could make us stop and wonder why woodpeckers don't get headaches? Could anyone else do a better job of evoking the small, tactile pleasures of sweeping up dust with a cornstraw broom? The Ron Padgett of yore is still with us-as charming, unpretentious, and surprising as ever-but there is a new Ron Padgett in this book as well: a poet of heart-breaking tenderness and ever-deepening wisdom. In You Never Know, he has become a chronicler of mortality, an elegist of worlds that vanish before our eyes." -Paul Auster "Ron Padgett's poems sing with absolutely true pitch. And they are human friendly. Their search for truths, both small and large, can be cause for laughter, or at least a thoughtful sigh. You Never Know is a delightful antidote to anything pretentious. There poems are agile and lucid and glad to be alive. 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I hit this by accident because I was busy checking over material for my projected next book: checking over material because a slow coastline fog of realisation had crept over me that I should stop being so cavalier about things, that at almost 51 I am not going to live for ever, attested adolescent though I may be. And I came across a poem, as too I needed something for a read-around/nibbles-and-wine/poetry-social on the night. It's based on Umberto Saba, not a literal translation but I hope not distorting the original.: here we go (Dave) - The Goat (after Umberto Saba) I dreamt I'd spent my life talking to a goat. A goat alone in a mud field, tethered. Soaked in the grass, soused with ceaseless rain, bleating. Bleating to the pulse of grief. I answered her, sour at the start, but then because grief's voice is common, companionable, and one. I heard that voice in the sorrow of a single goat. 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Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views ; Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat I was reminded this morning gone that yesterday (our time) was the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau9 and hence too Holocaust Day) as I accidentally tuned Radio 4 to long wave instead of FM and got the slot that is the 09.45 switch to the Christian Morning Service which was, because of the day, given over to a rabbi leading, with support, in Hebrew and English, a 15 minute meditation on the holocaust. Suffice it to say I was moved to tears. I hit this by accident because I was busy checking over material for my projected next book: checking over material because a slow coastline fog of realisation had crept over me that I should stop being so cavalier about things, that at almost 51 I am not going to live for ever, attested adolescent though I may be. And I came across a poem, as too I needed something for a read-around/nibbles-and-wine/poetry-social on the night. It's based on Umberto Saba, not a literal translation but I hope not distorting the original.: here we go (Dave) - The Goat (after Umberto Saba) I dreamt I'd spent my life talking to a goat. A goat alone in a mud field, tethered. Soaked in the grass, soused with ceaseless rain, bleating. Bleating to the pulse of grief. I answered her, sour at the start, but then because grief's voice is common, companionable, and one. I heard that voice in the sorrow of a single goat. 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There are a few that do have a tang of original thought - I recall the Scots poet Tom Leonard did a good one- mostly when I see such an easy target hit I hold my head in my hands: "Oh no, not again" - Best dave ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums Parodies of the Williams poem? I know the ones by Kenneth Koch. But it seems to me others have done it too? Can anyone help me out here? Tad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Fri Jan 27 20:59:09 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:59:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums References: <20060127212952.12840.qmail@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com><009201c623ab$da3bcdd0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <00a801c623ad$d7628430$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <00fe01c623ae$6d9e9970$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Actually, when I asked, I was looking for the good ones, not the bad ones. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Them plums There have been so many parodies of WCW's plums done that it is a cliche of would-be humour. There are a few that do have a tang of original thought - I recall the Scots poet Tom Leonard did a good one- mostly when I see such an easy target hit I hold my head in my hands: "Oh no, not again" - Best dave ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums Parodies of the Williams poem? I know the ones by Kenneth Koch. But it seems to me others have done it too? Can anyone help me out here? 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URL: From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 27 21:13:29 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:13:29 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums References: <20060127212952.12840.qmail@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com><009201c623ab$da3bcdd0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00a801c623ad$d7628430$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <00fe01c623ae$6d9e9970$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <00e601c623b0$9ad45220$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Yeah, Tad, I realised that. Seriously I can't think beyond Tom Leonard's Glaswegian parody, WCW done into pawky Scots, most that I've seen say more about the lack of imagination of the parodists than WCW, admittedly, his shopping was slight, but WCW's little ones can be genuinely and unaffectedly sweet. Maybe there are some interesting ones done into other languages? Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Them plums Actually, when I asked, I was looking for the good ones, not the bad ones. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Them plums There have been so many parodies of WCW's plums done that it is a cliche of would-be humour. There are a few that do have a tang of original thought - I recall the Scots poet Tom Leonard did a good one- mostly when I see such an easy target hit I hold my head in my hands: "Oh no, not again" - Best dave ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums Parodies of the Williams poem? I know the ones by Kenneth Koch. 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URL: From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 27 21:14:43 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:14:43 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Why, thank you Tad! yeah, it ain't too bad (smile) Ta Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Dave, I think this is wonderful. Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views ; Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat I was reminded this morning gone that yesterday (our time) was the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau9 and hence too Holocaust Day) as I accidentally tuned Radio 4 to long wave instead of FM and got the slot that is the 09.45 switch to the Christian Morning Service which was, because of the day, given over to a rabbi leading, with support, in Hebrew and English, a 15 minute meditation on the holocaust. Suffice it to say I was moved to tears. I hit this by accident because I was busy checking over material for my projected next book: checking over material because a slow coastline fog of realisation had crept over me that I should stop being so cavalier about things, that at almost 51 I am not going to live for ever, attested adolescent though I may be. And I came across a poem, as too I needed something for a read-around/nibbles-and-wine/poetry-social on the night. It's based on Umberto Saba, not a literal translation but I hope not distorting the original.: here we go (Dave) - The Goat (after Umberto Saba) I dreamt I'd spent my life talking to a goat. A goat alone in a mud field, tethered. Soaked in the grass, soused with ceaseless rain, bleating. Bleating to the pulse of grief. I answered her, sour at the start, but then because grief's voice is common, companionable, and one. I heard that voice in the sorrow of a single goat. 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Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views ; Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat I was reminded this morning gone that yesterday (our time) was the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau9 and hence too Holocaust Day) as I accidentally tuned Radio 4 to long wave instead of FM and got the slot that is the 09.45 switch to the Christian Morning Service which was, because of the day, given over to a rabbi leading, with support, in Hebrew and English, a 15 minute meditation on the holocaust. Suffice it to say I was moved to tears. I hit this by accident because I was busy checking over material for my projected next book: checking over material because a slow coastline fog of realisation had crept over me that I should stop being so cavalier about things, that at almost 51 I am not going to live for ever, attested adolescent though I may be. And I came across a poem, as too I needed something for a read-around/nibbles-and-wine/poetry-social on the night. It's based on Umberto Saba, not a literal translation but I hope not distorting the original.: here we go (Dave) - The Goat (after Umberto Saba) I dreamt I'd spent my life talking to a goat. A goat alone in a mud field, tethered. Soaked in the grass, soused with ceaseless rain, bleating. Bleating to the pulse of grief. I answered her, sour at the start, but then because grief's voice is common, companionable, and one. I heard that voice in the sorrow of a single goat. 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In una capra dal viso semita sentiva querelarsi ogni altro male, ogni altra vita. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Without the original under my eyes, it seems just the same. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Why, thank you Tad! yeah, it ain't too bad (smile) Ta Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Dave, I think this is wonderful. Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views ; Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat I was reminded this morning gone that yesterday (our time) was the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau9 and hence too Holocaust Day) as I accidentally tuned Radio 4 to long wave instead of FM and got the slot that is the 09.45 switch to the Christian Morning Service which was, because of the day, given over to a rabbi leading, with support, in Hebrew and English, a 15 minute meditation on the holocaust. Suffice it to say I was moved to tears. I hit this by accident because I was busy checking over material for my projected next book: checking over material because a slow coastline fog of realisation had crept over me that I should stop being so cavalier about things, that at almost 51 I am not going to live for ever, attested adolescent though I may be. And I came across a poem, as too I needed something for a read-around/nibbles-and-wine/poetry-social on the night. It's based on Umberto Saba, not a literal translation but I hope not distorting the original.: here we go (Dave) - The Goat (after Umberto Saba) I dreamt I'd spent my life talking to a goat. A goat alone in a mud field, tethered. Soaked in the grass, soused with ceaseless rain, bleating. Bleating to the pulse of grief. I answered her, sour at the start, but then because grief's voice is common, companionable, and one. I heard that voice in the sorrow of a single goat. 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(minus accents - due to e-mailer) Atishoo! Best - Dave: La Capra Ho parlato a una capra. Era sola sul prato, era legata. Sazia d'erba, bagnata dalla pioggia, belava. Quell'uguale belato era fraterno al mio dolore. Ed io riposi, prima per celia, poi perche il dolore e eterno, ha una voce e non varia. Questa voce sentiva gemere in una capra solitaria. In una capra dal viso semita sentiva querelarsi ogni altro male, ogni altra vita. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Without the original under my eyes, it seems just the same. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Why, thank you Tad! yeah, it ain't too bad (smile) Ta Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Dave, I think this is wonderful. Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views ; Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat I was reminded this morning gone that yesterday (our time) was the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau9 and hence too Holocaust Day) as I accidentally tuned Radio 4 to long wave instead of FM and got the slot that is the 09.45 switch to the Christian Morning Service which was, because of the day, given over to a rabbi leading, with support, in Hebrew and English, a 15 minute meditation on the holocaust. Suffice it to say I was moved to tears. I hit this by accident because I was busy checking over material for my projected next book: checking over material because a slow coastline fog of realisation had crept over me that I should stop being so cavalier about things, that at almost 51 I am not going to live for ever, attested adolescent though I may be. And I came across a poem, as too I needed something for a read-around/nibbles-and-wine/poetry-social on the night. It's based on Umberto Saba, not a literal translation but I hope not distorting the original.: here we go (Dave) - The Goat (after Umberto Saba) I dreamt I'd spent my life talking to a goat. A goat alone in a mud field, tethered. Soaked in the grass, soused with ceaseless rain, bleating. Bleating to the pulse of grief. I answered her, sour at the start, but then because grief's voice is common, companionable, and one. I heard that voice in the sorrow of a single goat. 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Fantasies of Revolution They talked to me about the need for another revolution, that going back to Capitalism is not a revolution (I agree with this, that the Wende was not a revolution....), that when they get in again that everything will be different and better, they talked about the natural laws outlined by Marx in Das Kapital. The smaller one who seemed to have more authority than the others glared at me with a seeming strangeness. I noticed a spider burrowing into his little cap. The whole thing left an odd impression, but not the waffle. I?d heard that all before. The spider is burrowing into the head of a would-be Lenin on a sunny but cold morning in Berlin, burrowing and going deeper down into his fermented brain pan. Overhead a jet roars. Traffic deepens. The S-Bahn stutters. The spiders aim is to burrow its way to China. Then it can activate a China Syndrome of spiders. They take over the world and cheerily eradicate humanity. Spiderdom is born. I slept but not well. In the morning I washed but there was no hot water. A cold shower in these temperatures! Yes you can come. I?m not really changing into a polar bear. That was my joke. No I?m really changing into a raptor, charging about the city biting ankles and searching for a T-Rex to annoy.... and how are you today? what is the dobblestone? HH or Harry and Hermana????? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tony at starve.org Sat Jan 28 10:23:03 2006 From: tony at starve.org (Tony Trigilio) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:23:03 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Court Green #4 / Call for Submissions Message-ID: <43DB8C57.3040801@starve.org> COURT GREEN 4 / Spring 2007 http://english.colum.edu/courtgreen Call for Submissions Dossier: Political Poetry Each issue of COURT GREEN features a dossier on a special topic or theme. Occasional or topical poetry is a fraught genre, but we live in fraught times, and understand that poetry can be a way to negotiate our relationship to the current political situation. For issue 4, we are accepting submissions of poems that seek to expand the definition or commonly held notions of "political poetry." All styles and subjects welcome, but special consideration will be given to poems that aim to explore and complicate rather than teach or hold forth. Submissions of political poetry for consideration in the Dossier can be sent through May 1, 2006 to: Editors, Court Green, English Department, Columbia College Chicago, 600 South Michigan Avenue, Chicago, IL 60605. Email submissions are not accepted. Submissions of poetry for the regular section of the magazine are welcome, in addition to Dossier submissions. If you would like to submit poems for the regular section, our reading period is February 1-May 1 of each year, to the same address above. Email me if you have questions (tony at starve.org). Thanks-- Best, Tony From grahamd at ripon.edu Sat Jan 28 10:43:03 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:43:03 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums In-Reply-To: <009201c623ab$da3bcdd0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: Ed Dorn did one, and you can find it at Al Filreis's site: http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/dorn-plums-parody.html Also, Keillor's first *Good Poems* anthology has one, as I recall. Can't put my finger on the author, but will check. on 1/27/06 7:40 PM, TheOldMole at tad at opus40.org wrote: Parodies of the Williams poem? I know the ones by Kenneth Koch. But it seems to me others have done it too? Can anyone help me out here? Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Sat Jan 28 10:56:18 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:56:18 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums Too In-Reply-To: <009201c623ab$da3bcdd0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: And don't forget the parodies Koch received from schoolkids in his pioneering poetry-in-the-schools gigs. E.g.-- Dear Biscuit by Mayra Morales (6th Grade) I'm so sorry for taking you away from your friend the Dog. And: Sorry But it was Beautiful by Andrew Vecchione (6th Grade) Sorry I took your money and burned it ????but it looked like the world falling ????apart when it crackled and burned. So I think it was worth it after all ????you can't see the world fall apart ????every day. And here's one I got from a sophomore student in a high school class once: This is just to say I fell asleep in your class In which you were teaching poetry I'm sorry I had a pleasant dream --Gwen Atti on 1/27/06 7:40 PM, TheOldMole at tad at opus40.org wrote: Parodies of the Williams poem? I know the ones by Kenneth Koch. But it seems to me others have done it too? Can anyone help me out here? Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sat Jan 28 11:16:58 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:16:58 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums Too References: Message-ID: <006a01c62426$43a2fcb0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Them plums TooDavid -- the kid parodies are great -- I love your high school sophomore's. And thanks for the Dorn. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums Too And don't forget the parodies Koch received from schoolkids in his pioneering poetry-in-the-schools gigs. E.g.-- Dear Biscuit by Mayra Morales (6th Grade) I'm so sorry for taking you away from your friend the Dog. And: Sorry But it was Beautiful by Andrew Vecchione (6th Grade) Sorry I took your money and burned it but it looked like the world falling apart when it crackled and burned. So I think it was worth it after all you can't see the world fall apart every day. And here's one I got from a sophomore student in a high school class once: This is just to say I fell asleep in your class In which you were teaching poetry I'm sorry I had a pleasant dream --Gwen Atti on 1/27/06 7:40 PM, TheOldMole at tad at opus40.org wrote: Parodies of the Williams poem? I know the ones by Kenneth Koch. But it seems to me others have done it too? Can anyone help me out here? Tad _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Sat Jan 28 11:36:32 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:36:32 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums Too In-Reply-To: <006a01c62426$43a2fcb0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> References: <006a01c62426$43a2fcb0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <7085C970-3C60-43D9-B688-F7B9AB64862B@earthlink.net> Here, Tad, is one that I did several years back. Actually, it's sort of a two-fer. The Stewed Prunes So much depends upon the stewed prunes that were in the icebox beside the fried chicken and which you were probably saving for breakfast Forgive me they were so sweet and so cold and they keep me so regular Hal "Poetry is harder to read than prose because you have to read all the white stuff too." --Anon. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From hruggier at localnet.com Sat Jan 28 11:45:37 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:45:37 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums References: <20060127212952.12840.qmail@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com><009201c623ab$da3bcdd0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00a801c623ad$d7628430$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00fe01c623ae$6d9e9970$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <00e601c623b0$9ad45220$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Message-ID: <00b101c6242a$44c315e0$6600a8c0@Helen> The pawky Scots parody sounds great - can you post it? ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Them plums Yeah, Tad, I realised that. Seriously I can't think beyond Tom Leonard's Glaswegian parody, WCW done into pawky Scots, most that I've seen say more about the lack of imagination of the parodists than WCW, admittedly, his shopping was slight, but WCW's little ones can be genuinely and unaffectedly sweet. Maybe there are some interesting ones done into other languages? Best Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Them plums Actually, when I asked, I was looking for the good ones, not the bad ones. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Them plums There have been so many parodies of WCW's plums done that it is a cliche of would-be humour. There are a few that do have a tang of original thought - I recall the Scots poet Tom Leonard did a good one- mostly when I see such an easy target hit I hold my head in my hands: "Oh no, not again" - Best dave ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums Parodies of the Williams poem? I know the ones by Kenneth Koch. But it seems to me others have done it too? Can anyone help me out here? 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Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sat Jan 28 13:08:18 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:08:18 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Plug References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><008d01c623d2$c6b96160$42d83052@ANNY><001401c623e3$85a095c0$62ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <001001c623f2$43af2f50$f3aa3452@ANNY> Message-ID: <006001c62435$d137a7b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> The Greenwood Encyclopedia of American Poets and Poetry -- " The most comprehensive reference on American poetry ever assembled, this enormous encyclopedia includes more than 900 alphabetically arranged entries by roughly 350 scholars. Other references on poetry typically cover a particular period, or survey a limited range of authors, or they do not cover poets, and works, and techniques. This encyclopedia surpasses existing works by considering the entire range of American poetry, overviewing major and minor authors, and combining biographical and critical entries with entries on a wide range of topics. Written for students and general readers at a time when poetry is central to the curriculum, the set covers material from the colonial era to the present, devoting special attention to contemporary poets and their works. Multicultural in scope, the encyclopedia provides entries on numerous poets from diverse ethnic backgrounds. It also devotes considerable attention to women poets and to poets who are just beginning to establish their reputations. In addition, it relates American poetry to its social, historical, political, and cultural contexts. " It's out now, and featuring probably several NewPo regulars or past friends -- a quick scan shows Janet McCann's name several times. I ended up being the most prolifically represented scholar (scholar? me?), with something like 19 or 20 entries. Contributor copy just arrived in the mail, and looking it over, I'm kinda proud of what I did on Jazz and Poetry -- I think a good approach, and probably not the one everyone would have taken. Tad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also had a plum-pOm, should I look for it? cheers, Anny ***************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Plug The Greenwood Encyclopedia of American Poets and Poetry -- " The most comprehensive reference on American poetry ever assembled, this enormous encyclopedia includes more than 900 alphabetically arranged entries by roughly 350 scholars. Other references on poetry typically cover a particular period, or survey a limited range of authors, or they do not cover poets, and works, and techniques. This encyclopedia surpasses existing works by considering the entire range of American poetry, overviewing major and minor authors, and combining biographical and critical entries with entries on a wide range of topics. Written for students and general readers at a time when poetry is central to the curriculum, the set covers material from the colonial era to the present, devoting special attention to contemporary poets and their works. Multicultural in scope, the encyclopedia provides entries on numerous poets from diverse ethnic backgrounds. It also devotes considerable attention to women poets and to poets who are just beginning to establish their reputations. In addition, it relates American poetry to its social, historical, political, and cultural contexts. " It's out now, and featuring probably several NewPo regulars or past friends -- a quick scan shows Janet McCann's name several times. I ended up being the most prolifically represented scholar (scholar? me?), with something like 19 or 20 entries. Contributor copy just arrived in the mail, and looking it over, I'm kinda proud of what I did on Jazz and Poetry -- I think a good approach, and probably not the one everyone would have taken. 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URL: From tad at opus40.org Sat Jan 28 13:38:51 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:38:51 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Plug References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><008d01c623d2$c6b96160$42d83052@ANNY><001401c623e3$85a095c0$62ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><001001c623f2$43af2f50$f3aa3452@ANNY><006001c62435$d137a7b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <023d01c62439$b0f59c60$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <008f01c6243a$1590c4b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Not enough rebuses? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Plug Guess what I suspect is not mentioned, or insufficiently mentioned, in it. 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 28 13:39:09 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:39:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Latest Marcus News References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><008d01c623d2$c6b96160$42d83052@ANNY><001401c623e3$85a095c0$62ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><001001c623f2$43af2f50$f3aa3452@ANNY> <006001c62435$d137a7b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <024c01c6243a$216aac60$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> New-Poetry people will probably be amused to learn that there will be a visual poetry show in Cleveland during April at a gallery run by . . . Marcus Bales. He invited me to curate it--which I'm doing with two co-curators who live in Cleveland, because I can't get there (probably). Anybody know what he'd up to? --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sat Jan 28 13:52:45 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:52:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Latest Marcus News References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><008d01c623d2$c6b96160$42d83052@ANNY><001401c623e3$85a095c0$62ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><001001c623f2$43af2f50$f3aa3452@ANNY><006001c62435$d137a7b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <024c01c6243a$216aac60$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <00e301c6243c$06a656c0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Cleveland a little off my beaten track, but I'll be there in spirit. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Latest Marcus News New-Poetry people will probably be amused to learn that there will be a visual poetry show in Cleveland during April at a gallery run by . . . Marcus Bales. He invited me to curate it--which I'm doing with two co-curators who live in Cleveland, because I can't get there (probably). Anybody know what he'd up to? --Bob G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 28 15:02:35 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:02:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Plug References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><008d01c623d2$c6b96160$42d83052@ANNY><001401c623e3$85a095c0$62ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><001001c623f2$43af2f50$f3aa3452@ANNY><006001c62435$d137a7b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><023d01c62439$b0f59c60$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <008f01c6243a$1590c4b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <02e801c62445$c93e8960$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Not enough rebuses? You're telling me they mention some? Next thing, you'll be telling me they mention visual poetry. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sat Jan 28 15:16:24 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:16:24 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Plug References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><008d01c623d2$c6b96160$42d83052@ANNY><001401c623e3$85a095c0$62ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><001001c623f2$43af2f50$f3aa3452@ANNY><006001c62435$d137a7b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><023d01c62439$b0f59c60$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><008f01c6243a$1590c4b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <02e801c62445$c93e8960$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <011901c62447$b68d2860$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Entry on Visual Poetry by Willard Bohn. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Plug Not enough rebuses? You're telling me they mention some? Next thing, you'll be telling me they mention visual poetry. --Bob G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sat Jan 28 15:43:55 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:43:55 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Annie Finch References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><008d01c623d2$c6b96160$42d83052@ANNY><001401c623e3$85a095c0$62ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><001001c623f2$43af2f50$f3aa3452@ANNY><006001c62435$d137a7b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><024c01c6243a$216aac60$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <00e301c6243c$06a656c0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <017f01c6244b$8e9d52e0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Anyone have an email address for her? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 28 16:34:08 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:34:08 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Plug References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><008d01c623d2$c6b96160$42d83052@ANNY><001401c623e3$85a095c0$62ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><001001c623f2$43af2f50$f3aa3452@ANNY><006001c62435$d137a7b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><023d01c62439$b0f59c60$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><008f01c6243a$1590c4b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><02e801c62445$c93e8960$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <011901c62447$b68d2860$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <033101c62452$93f36d40$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Entry on Visual Poetry by Willard Bohn. Good--although I don't believe he's very knowledgeable about it, being an academic. Any entries on any actual visual poets? --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Patchen a visual poet? Again, don't ask me...I'm only an academic, and not a very good one at that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Plug Entry on Visual Poetry by Willard Bohn. Good--although I don't believe he's very knowledgeable about it, being an academic. Any entries on any actual visual poets? --Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 28 16:56:12 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:56:12 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><008d01c623d2$c6b96160$42d83052@ANNY><001401c623e3$85a095c0$62ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <001001c623f2$43af2f50$f3aa3452@ANNY> Message-ID: <003f01c62455$a8ee56d0$2ae8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> Danke, busy Anny. Sneezes stopped now. Best dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Ah ok, yours is better defined as a poetic interpretation than literal translation, but I like your version. I ordered myself that I have to mark tests and not do any other thing before I finished, thus this mail and then to work, take care with that sneezing, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Sneezily on this cold morning, tapped out here it is Anny. (minus accents - due to e-mailer) Atishoo! Best - Dave: La Capra Ho parlato a una capra. Era sola sul prato, era legata. Sazia d'erba, bagnata dalla pioggia, belava. Quell'uguale belato era fraterno al mio dolore. Ed io riposi, prima per celia, poi perche il dolore e eterno, ha una voce e non varia. Questa voce sentiva gemere in una capra solitaria. In una capra dal viso semita sentiva querelarsi ogni altro male, ogni altra vita. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Without the original under my eyes, it seems just the same. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Why, thank you Tad! yeah, it ain't too bad (smile) Ta Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: TheOldMole To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat Dave, I think this is wonderful. Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bircumshaw To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views ; Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat I was reminded this morning gone that yesterday (our time) was the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau9 and hence too Holocaust Day) as I accidentally tuned Radio 4 to long wave instead of FM and got the slot that is the 09.45 switch to the Christian Morning Service which was, because of the day, given over to a rabbi leading, with support, in Hebrew and English, a 15 minute meditation on the holocaust. Suffice it to say I was moved to tears. I hit this by accident because I was busy checking over material for my projected next book: checking over material because a slow coastline fog of realisation had crept over me that I should stop being so cavalier about things, that at almost 51 I am not going to live for ever, attested adolescent though I may be. And I came across a poem, as too I needed something for a read-around/nibbles-and-wine/poetry-social on the night. It's based on Umberto Saba, not a literal translation but I hope not distorting the original.: here we go (Dave) - The Goat (after Umberto Saba) I dreamt I'd spent my life talking to a goat. A goat alone in a mud field, tethered. Soaked in the grass, soused with ceaseless rain, bleating. Bleating to the pulse of grief. I answered her, sour at the start, but then because grief's voice is common, companionable, and one. I heard that voice in the sorrow of a single goat. A goat with a Jewish face, reciting the toneless torah of all other ills, all other lives' laments. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Jan 28 17:43:10 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:43:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Plug References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><008d01c623d2$c6b96160$42d83052@ANNY><001401c623e3$85a095c0$62ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><001001c623f2$43af2f50$f3aa3452@ANNY><006001c62435$d137a7b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><023d01c62439$b0f59c60$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><008f01c6243a$1590c4b0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><02e801c62445$c93e8960$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><011901c62447$b68d2860$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><033101c62452$93f36d40$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <000e01c62455$00c8d660$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <037301c6245c$37eda470$99b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Kostelanetz. Saroyan. After that I run out of expertise, being an academic, and have to refer to the index, which lists Andrews, Bruce (Errol); children's poetry (don't ask me); Higgins, Dick, interest in; Patchen, Kenneth. Patchen a visual poet? Again, don't ask me...I'm only an academic, and not a very good one at that. Thanks, Mole. Probably Ron Johnson is mentioned. Cummings, for sure. Patchen is considered second only to Cummings as a father of American Visual poetry. He made quite a few visual poems, and also combined very striking paintings with many of his texts, like Blake did. Bruce Andrews is a language poet--maybe Bohn mentioned that he did visual poetry. I never heard of the children's book visual poet. 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Saroyan. After that I run out of expertise, being an academic, and have to refer to the index, which lists Andrews, Bruce (Errol); children's poetry (don't ask me); Higgins, Dick, interest in; Patchen, Kenneth. Patchen a visual poet? Again, don't ask me...I'm only an academic, and not a very good one at that. Thanks, Mole. Probably Ron Johnson is mentioned. Cummings, for sure. Patchen is considered second only to Cummings as a father of American Visual poetry. He made quite a few visual poems, and also combined very striking paintings with many of his texts, like Blake did. Bruce Andrews is a language poet--maybe Bohn mentioned that he did visual poetry. I never heard of the children's book visual poet. Are these names listed as having entries or as names mentioned by Bohn or somewhere else? out of curiosity, and competitively (because I wrote the visual poetry entry for the Facts-on-File equivalent of the book you are involved with), Bob G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 28 21:27:21 2006 From: david.bircumshaw at ntlworld.com (David Bircumshaw) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 02:27:21 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Them plums References: <20060127212952.12840.qmail@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com><009201c623ab$da3bcdd0$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00a801c623ad$d7628430$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00fe01c623ae$6d9e9970$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e601c623b0$9ad45220$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <00b101c6242a$44c315e0$6600a8c0@Helen> Message-ID: <004701c6247b$91732e60$3ee8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Them plums The pawky Scots parody sounds great - can you post it? I don't have it to hand, Helen, but should do on either Monday or Tuesday. Till then. Best dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(dir.) to bring* an action against (s.o.), to proceed against (s.o.), to take* legal proceedings against (s.o.), to prosecute, to sue (at law) moreover it is _impersonal and reflexive (!)_ in this context who is the subject? Not the author, not the goat. We can easily imagine the sequence, but that is not being faithful, if one wants to, take care, Anny (I cut out some messages just to be able to have your reference handy) La Capra Ho parlato a una capra. Era sola sul prato, era legata. Sazia d'erba, bagnata dalla pioggia, belava. Quell'uguale belato era fraterno al mio dolore. Ed io riposi, prima per celia, poi perche il dolore e eterno, ha una voce e non varia. Questa voce sentiva gemere in una capra solitaria. In una capra dal viso semita sentiva querelarsi ogni altro male, ogni altra vita. I was reminded this morning gone that yesterday (our time) was the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau9 and hence too Holocaust Day) as I accidentally tuned Radio 4 to long wave instead of FM and got the slot that is the 09.45 switch to the Christian Morning Service which was, because of the day, given over to a rabbi leading, with support, in Hebrew and English, a 15 minute meditation on the holocaust. Suffice it to say I was moved to tears. I hit this by accident because I was busy checking over material for my projected next book: checking over material because a slow coastline fog of realisation had crept over me that I should stop being so cavalier about things, that at almost 51 I am not going to live for ever, attested adolescent though I may be. And I came across a poem, as too I needed something for a read-around/nibbles-and-wine/poetry-social on the night. It's based on Umberto Saba, not a literal translation but I hope not distorting the original.: here we go (Dave) - The Goat (after Umberto Saba) I dreamt I'd spent my life talking to a goat. A goat alone in a mud field, tethered. Soaked in the grass, soused with ceaseless rain, bleating. Bleating to the pulse of grief. I answered her, sour at the start, but then because grief's voice is common, companionable, and one. I heard that voice in the sorrow of a single goat. A goat with a Jewish face, reciting the toneless torah of all other ills, all other lives' laments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Jan 29 06:16:05 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:16:05 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Tristram Goat References: <005301c623a3$2b36f060$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><00c101c623ac$b30ba630$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress><00e701c623b0$9fed67b0$20e8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><008d01c623d2$c6b96160$42d83052@ANNY><001401c623e3$85a095c0$62ecff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v><001001c623f2$43af2f50$f3aa3452@ANNY><003f01c62455$a8ee56d0$2ae8ff3e@rayuv8pcloxi9v> <005b01c624c4$0eba7b10$32a33852@ANNY> Message-ID: <006c01c624c5$658ec350$32a33852@ANNY> I finally got it! Questa voce... is the subject will see what I can do with this puzzle, cheers, Anny I have always had problems with that _querelarsi_ see: querelare: v.tr. (dir.) to bring* an action against (s.o.), to proceed against (s.o.), to take* legal proceedings against (s.o.), to prosecute, to sue (at law) moreover it is _impersonal and reflexive (!)_ in this context who is the subject? Not the author, not the goat. We can easily imagine the sequence, but that is not being faithful, if one wants to, take care, Anny (I cut out some messages just to be able to have your reference handy) La Capra Ho parlato a una capra. Era sola sul prato, era legata. Sazia d'erba, bagnata dalla pioggia, belava. Quell'uguale belato era fraterno al mio dolore. Ed io riposi, prima per celia, poi perche il dolore e eterno, ha una voce e non varia. Questa voce sentiva gemere in una capra solitaria. In una capra dal viso semita sentiva querelarsi ogni altro male, ogni altra vita. I was reminded this morning gone that yesterday (our time) was the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau9 and hence too Holocaust Day) as I accidentally tuned Radio 4 to long wave instead of FM and got the slot that is the 09.45 switch to the Christian Morning Service which was, because of the day, given over to a rabbi leading, with support, in Hebrew and English, a 15 minute meditation on the holocaust. Suffice it to say I was moved to tears. I hit this by accident because I was busy checking over material for my projected next book: checking over material because a slow coastline fog of realisation had crept over me that I should stop being so cavalier about things, that at almost 51 I am not going to live for ever, attested adolescent though I may be. And I came across a poem, as too I needed something for a read-around/nibbles-and-wine/poetry-social on the night. It's based on Umberto Saba, not a literal translation but I hope not distorting the original.: here we go (Dave) - The Goat (after Umberto Saba) I dreamt I'd spent my life talking to a goat. A goat alone in a mud field, tethered. Soaked in the grass, soused with ceaseless rain, bleating. Bleating to the pulse of grief. I answered her, sour at the start, but then because grief's voice is common, companionable, and one. I heard that voice in the sorrow of a single goat. A goat with a Jewish face, reciting the toneless torah of all other ills, all other lives' laments. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Jan 29 09:09:17 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:09:17 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] =?iso-8859-1?q?Monsieur_L=E9vy_par_Keillor?= Message-ID: <00ab01c624dd$99678af0$32a33852@ANNY> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/books/review/29keillor.html?_r=1&8bu&emc=bu January 29, 2006 'American Vertigo: Traveling America in the Footsteps of Tocqueville,' by Bernard-Henri L?vy On the Road Avec M. L?vy Review by GARRISON KEILLOR Correction Appended Any American with a big urge to write a book explaining France to the French should read this book first, to get a sense of the hazards involved. Bernard-Henri L?vy is a French writer with a spatter-paint prose style and the grandiosity of a college sophomore; he rambled around this country at the behest of The Atlantic Monthly and now has worked up his notes into a sort of book. It is the classic Freaks, Fatties, Fanatics & Faux Culture Excursion beloved of European journalists for the past 50 years, with stops at Las Vegas to visit a lap-dancing club and a brothel; Beverly Hills; Dealey Plaza in Dallas; Bourbon Street in New Orleans; Graceland; a gun show in Fort Worth; a "partner-swapping club" in San Francisco with a drag queen with mammoth silicone breasts; the Iowa State Fair ("a festival of American kitsch"); Sun City ("gilded apartheid for the old");a stock car race; the Mall of America; Mount Rushmore; a couple of evangelical megachurches; the Mormons of Salt Lake; some Amish; the 2004 national political conventions; Alcatraz - you get the idea. (For some reason he missed the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, the adult video awards, the grave site of Warren G. Harding and the World's Largest Ball of Twine.) You meet Sharon Stone and John Kerry and a woman who once weighed 488 pounds and an obese couple carrying rifles, but there's nobody here whom you recognize. In more than 300 pages, nobody tells a joke. Nobody does much work. Nobody sits and eats and enjoys their food. You've lived all your life in America, never attended a megachurch or a brothel, don't own guns, are non-Amish, and it dawns on you that this is a book about the French. There's no reason for it to exist in English, except as evidence that travel need not be broadening and one should be wary of books with Tocqueville in the title. In New Orleans, a young woman takes off her clothes on a balcony as young men throw Mardi Gras beads up at her. We learn that much of the city is below sea level. At the stock car race, L?vy senses that the spectators "both dread and hope for an accident." We learn that Los Angeles has no center and is one of the most polluted cities in the country. "Headed for Virginia, and for Norfolk, which is, if I'm not mistaken, one of the oldest towns in a state that was one of the original 13 in the union," L?vy writes. Yes, indeed. He likes Savannah and gets delirious about Seattle, especially the Space Needle, which represents for him "everything that America has always made me dream of: poetry and modernity, precariousness and technical challenge, lightness of form meshed with a Babel syndrome, city lights, the haunting quality of darkness, tall trees of steel." O.K., fine. The Eiffel Tower is quite the deal, too. But every 10 pages or so, L?vy walks into a wall. About Old Glory, for example. Someone has told him about the rules for proper handling of the flag, and from these (the flag must not be allowed to touch the ground, must be disposed of by burning) he has invented an American flag fetish, a national obsession, a cult of flag worship. Somebody forgot to tell him that to those of us not currently enrolled in the Boy Scouts, these rules aren't a big part of everyday life. He blows a radiator writing about baseball - "this sport that contributes to establishing people's identities and that has truly become part of their civic and patriotic religion, which is baseball" - and when, visiting Cooperstown ("this new Nazareth"), he finds out that Commissioner Bud Selig once laid a wreath at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington, where Abner Doubleday is also buried, L?vy goes out of his mind. An event important only to Selig and his immediate family becomes, to L?vy, an official proclamation "before the eyes of America and the world" of Abner as "the pope of the national religion . . . that day not just the town but the entire United States joined in a celebration that had the twofold merit of associating the national pastime with the traditional rural values that Fenimore Cooper's town embodies and also with the patriotic grandeur that the name Doubleday bears." Uh, actually not. Negatory on "pope" and "national" and "entire" and "most" and "embodies" and "Doubleday." He worships Woody Allen and Charlie Rose in terms that would make Donald Trump cringe with embarrassment. He admires Warren Beatty, though he sees Beatty at a public event "among these rich and beautiful who, as always in America . . . form a masquerade of the living dead, each one more facelifted and mummified than the next, fierce, a little mutant-looking, inhuman, ultimately disappointing." L?vy is quite comfortable with phrases like "as always in America." Bombast comes naturally to him. Rain falls on the crowd gathered for the dedication of the Clinton library in Little Rock, and to L?vy, it signifies the demise of the Democratic Party. As always with French writers, L?vy is short on the facts, long on conclusions. He has a brief encounter with a young man outside of Montgomery, Ala. ("I listen to him tell me, as if he were justifying himself, about his attachment to this region"), and suddenly sees that the young man has "all the reflexes of Southern culture" and the "studied nonchalance . . . so characteristic of the region." With his X-ray vision, L?vy is able to reach tall conclusions with a single bound. And good Lord, the childlike love of paradox - America is magnificent but mad, greedy and modest, drunk with materialism and religiosity, puritan and outrageous, facing toward the future and yet obsessed with its memories. Americans' party loyalty is "very strong and very pliable, extremely tenacious and in the end somewhat empty." Existential and yet devoid of all content and direction. The partner-swapping club is both "libertine" and "conventional," "depraved" and "proper." And so the reader is fascinated and exhausted by L?vy's tedious and original thinking: "A strong bond holds America together, but a minimal one. An attachment of great force, but not fiercely resolute. A place of high - extremely high - symbolic tension, but a neutral one, a nearly empty one." And what's with the flurries of rhetorical questions? Is this how the French talk or is it something they save for books about America? "What is a Republican? What distinguishes a Republican in the America of today from a Democrat?" L?vy writes, like a student padding out a term paper. "What does this experience tell us?" he writes about the Mall of America. "What do we learn about American civilization from this mausoleum of merchandise, this funeral accumulation of false goods and nondesires in this end-of-the-world setting? What is the effect on the Americans of today of this confined space, this aquarium, where only a semblance of life seems to subsist?" And what is one to make of the series of questions - 20 in a row - about Hillary Clinton, in which L?vy implies she is seeking the White House to erase the shame of the Lewinsky affair? Was L?vy aware of the game 20 Questions, commonly played on long car trips in America? Are we to read this passage as a metaphor of American restlessness? Does he understand how irritating this is? Does he? Do you? May I stop now? America is changing, he concludes, but America will endure. "I still don't think there's reason to despair of this country. No matter how many derangements, dysfunctions, driftings there may be . . . no matter how fragmented the political and social space may be; despite this nihilist hypertrophy of petty antiquarian memory; despite this hyperobesity - increasingly less metaphorical - of the great social bodies that form the invisible edifice of the country; despite the utter misery of the ghettos . . . I can't manage to convince myself of the collapse, heralded in Europe, of the American model." Thanks, pal. I don't imagine France collapsing anytime soon either. Thanks for coming. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. For your next book, tell us about those riots in France, the cars burning in the suburbs of Paris. What was that all about? Were fat people involved? Garrison Keillor is the host and writer of "A Prairie Home Companion" and the author of 16 books. He is the editor, most recently, of an anthology titled "Good Poems for Hard Times." 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La Capra Ho parlato a una capra. Era sola sul prato, era legata. Sazia d'erba, bagnata dalla pioggia, belava. Quell'uguale belato era fraterno al mio dolore. Ed io riposi, prima per celia, poi perche il dolore e eterno, ha una voce e non varia. Questa voce sentiva gemere in una capra solitaria. In una capra dal viso semita sentiva querelarsi ogni altro male, ogni altra vita. I was reminded this morning gone that yesterday (our time) was the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau9 and hence too Holocaust Day) as I accidentally tuned Radio 4 to long wave instead of FM and got the slot that is the 09.45 switch to the Christian Morning Service which was, because of the day, given over to a rabbi leading, with support, in Hebrew and English, a 15 minute meditation on the holocaust. Suffice it to say I was moved to tears. I hit this by accident because I was busy checking over material for my projected next book: checking over material because a slow coastline fog of realisation had crept over me that I should stop being so cavalier about things, that at almost 51 I am not going to live for ever, attested adolescent though I may be. And I came across a poem, as too I needed something for a read-around/nibbles-and-wine/poetry-social on the night. It's based on Umberto Saba, not a literal translation but I hope not distorting the original.: here we go (Dave) - The Goat (after Umberto Saba) I dreamt I'd spent my life talking to a goat. A goat alone in a mud field, tethered. Soaked in the grass, soused with ceaseless rain, bleating. Bleating to the pulse of grief. I answered her, sour at the start, but then because grief's voice is common, companionable, and one. I heard that voice in the sorrow of a single goat. 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URL: From robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com Sun Jan 29 13:32:32 2006 From: robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com (Robin Hamilton) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:32:32 -0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: Publications Message-ID: <002501c62502$5e758440$42ef9156@andrew1d83eb60> http://www.northernpublishers.co.uk/books/Pacts_and_Conjurations The INP site (below) has links to other Northern english small press publishers as well as Arrowhead. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Collett" To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Publications > The following publications are now available on the INP website for those > who need to use credit cards and overseas customers: > > Durham Poems - Douglas Clark > Mares and Quinces - Duncan Tweedale > Pacts and Conjurations - Robin Hamilton > > Go to: > http://www.northernpublishers.co.uk/publishers/Arrowhead/books > > Roger Collett > Arrowhead Press > http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality." > Jules de Gaultier > From halvard at earthlink.net Sun Jan 29 15:55:29 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:55:29 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] monolinear manifesto: turning Steiner In-Reply-To: <19f.44a34b43.310e5f87@aol.com> References: <19f.44a34b43.310e5f87@aol.com> Message-ID: On Jan 29, 2006, at 1:12 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > Extirpate the idea that any fantastic, mysterious practices are > required for attaining higher knowledge.--Rudolf Steiner > > Extirpate the idea that any fantastic, mysterious practices are > required for attaining higher poetry. Extirpate the idea. Hal, cutting to the chase Today's Specials Guide to the Tokyo Subway & other poems by Halvard Johnson Drivers, short stories by Nathan Leslie Now available from Hamilton Stone Editions and at a website (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Alibris, Powells, etc.) near you. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sun Jan 29 17:00:59 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:00:59 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] monolinear manifesto: turning Steiner Message-ID: <268.4d51610.310e951b@aol.com> In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:55:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, halvard at earthlink.net writes: Extirpate the idea. Hal, cutting to the chase Too near WCW's 'idea' qua dictum? 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URL: From rsillima at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 07:26:30 2006 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:26:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog: Kimiko Hahn, Robert Kelly, Joanne Kyger Message-ID: <20060130122630.10795.qmail@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Shame and Celan: Four new books by Robert Kelly (a collab with Birgit Kempker) A chapbook by Helena Bennett Other blogs ? notes on Robert Creeley, Mary Beach and Lindley Williams Hubbell Night Palace by Joanne Kyger An interview with Kimiko Hahn Birds for example by Jess Mynes ? the particular, the particular Seeing Double ? the paintings of Miriam Laufer and Susan Bee Prose poetry by women: Boxing inside the Box by Holly Iglesias in re Reznikoff Epigrams and aphorisms ? the compact poems of Alfred Starr Hamilton George Stanley and the value of quietness Borderless Bodies by Linh Dinh Another poet who died young - Joan Murray http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Jan 30 08:38:31 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:38:31 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Bob Grumman Message-ID: <005b01c625a2$763fcc20$16d63152@ANNY> On e-x-c-h-a-n-g-e-v-a-l-u-e-s by Tom Beckett interviewed by Geof Huth: http://willtoexchange.blogspot.com/ BG: To start at the largest appropriate generality, I would say that a career as anything is successful in direct proportion to the amount of pleasure it gives one. And, of course, it ought to give one pleasure. What kind of pleasure? Any kind that one wants. But I should think it would be a kind that one wants as much or more than any other kind of pleasure one could reasonably expect to gain out of life. I personally most want four pleasures from my career as a poet: (1) the direct pleasure it gives me to make things that I think . . . well, Good Things; or get a good score in the game I consider making poems to be (even if I'm the only scorekeeper, and therefore suspect); (2) the direct pleasure the poems give me as poems; (3) the perhaps truly bogus pleasure my feeling that others will enjoy them gives me, which is the same as my pleasure in believing they are a contribution of value to the world; (4) money enough from my poetry to allow me to devote as much time as I'd like to it-something, needless to say, I've never gotten. I guess I've now answered both your questions. I would add that a secondary goal of mine is to win praise from others I consider knowledgeable and able to appreciate the kind of poetry I compose. Much less important to me, but still of some importance, is my hope of winning praise from the general public. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From queenmouse at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 08:54:59 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:54:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Robert Kelly-- where to begin? Message-ID: Ron Silliman has taken on Robert Kelly this morning. http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2006/01/joanne-kygers-night-palace-wasnt-only.html I'm intrigued-- Kelly is a poet I would really love to read more deeply, but I keep putting him off because I can't find the right starting place. Silliman speaks highly of Axon Dendron Tree. I have also heard people speak well of In Time and *Kill the Messenger Who Brings Bad News*, as well as his anthology *A Controversy of Poets. * What other of his works would people highly recommend? Thoughts? --Suzanne -- "Start with your identity, which is a combination of your assets and what your friends mean when they discuss 'the trouble with you,' polish that, and you have style." --Quentin Crisp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IMPASSE I talked a good hello but she talked an even better good-bye. --RB ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Jan 30 11:19:51 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:19:51 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Gnoetry Message-ID: <003101c625b8$ffd95080$fdae3252@ANNY> 11-year-old JoAnn Welch http://www.beardofbees.com/pubs/Gnoetry.pdf and on gnoetry http://www.beardofbees.com/gnoetry.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Jan 30 16:57:33 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:57:33 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] An Enormous Bridge! Message-ID: <003c01c625e8$2c88a1b0$e6d63152@ANNY> >From Michael Rothenberg: Big Bridge, www.bigbridge.org is pleased to announce its 2006 Issue. FOR DAVID, Tribute to David Meltzer A Festschrift on the Occasion of the Publication of David's Copy: The Selected Poems of David Meltzer (Penguin Books, 2005) Guest-edited by James Brook Reflections, criticism, poetry, visual art, photos, music, video clips, and a complete bibliography -- the works! Contributors include Ammiel Alcalay, Aya (with a poem by David Meltzer), Micah Ballard, Todd Baron, Bill Berkson, John Brandi, Robert Briggs, Daniel Cassidy, Michael Castro, Neeli Cherkovski, Maxine Chernoff, Clark Coolidge, Sophie Dannenmuller, Steve Dickison, Sharon Doubiago, Gary Gach, Gloria Frym, Jesse Glass, Tiffany Higgins, Owen Hill, Jack Hirschman, Josh Kun, Joanne Kyger, Marina Lazzara, Joel Lewis, Christopher Longoria, Michael McClure, Duncan McNaughton, Gerald Nicosia, Michael Perkins, Daniel Pupko-Maizel, Ishmael Reed, Judith Roche, Jerome Rothenberg, Michael Rothenberg, Victoria Sanchez, Steve Sanfield, Gerald Schwartz, Howard Schwartz, Cedar Sigo, Dan Smith, Sunnylyn Thibodeaux, Christopher Winks, Will Yackulic, and Karl Young. Video clips (by Mark Palmer) include David Meltzer reading from "Shema," Gloria Frym reading from "Shema" by David Meltzer, Duncan McNaughton reading "Morning Glories" by Shiga Naoya (translated by Allen Say and David Meltzer), Joanne Kyger reading "Lamentation for Jack Spicer" by David Meltzer, Diane di Prima reading "15th Raga / for Bela Lugosi" by David Meltzer, Clark Coolidge reading from Beat Thing by David Meltzer, Michael McClure reading "Nature Poem" by David Meltzer, and Michael Rothenberg reading "The Blackest Rose" by David Meltzer. And from the audio vaults, Serpent Power (with David and Tina Meltzer) performing "Endless Tunnel" ... Feature Chapbook: Same Here by Bill Berkson with Illustrations by Nancy Victoria Davis Blue Poets in a Red State: A Linked Verse--Hank Lazer, Jake Berry, Nathaniel Mohatt, Derek Burleson, Billie Wilson, Charles Alexander, Sheila Murphy, Lisa Cooper, Adam Clay, Michael Heffernan, Anne Waldman, Anselm Hollo, Jack Collom, Randy Roark, Michael Rothenberg, Vernon Frazer, Terri Carrion, John Lowther, Randy Prunty, Crag Hill, Francisco Aragon, Dan Grossman, Cole Swensen, Jonathan Mayhew, Jim McCrary Justin Katko, Andrei Codrescu, Claudia Grinnel, Skip Fox, Beth Ann Fennelly, Selah Saterstrom, Aaron Belz, Jonathan Minton, Lois Grace Bauer, Matthew Mason, Claudia Keelan, Jeff Bryant, Miriam Sagan, Patrick Herron, Chris Vitiello, Heather Nagami, Rodney Nelson, Karen Joan Kohoutek, Mark Kuhar, Marcus Bales, Jane Falk, Grant Mathew Jenkins, Clayton Couch, John Lane, Lee Ann Roripaugh, Mark Sroggins, J P Craig, Douglas Basford, Brad Elliot, Caki Wilkinson, Joe Speer,Jonathan Penton, Dale Smith, Donald Revell, Andy Neely, Joel Long, Paisley Rekdal, Jennifer Tonge, Cheryl Pallant, Amy Ritchie, Racquel Yerbury, David W. Romtvedt Some Volumes of Poetry: A Retrospective of Publication Work by Karl Young First installment in a series of multi-genre essays based on publications and organizational activities over 40 years of publishing, from mimeo to the web. This installment covers apprentice work in printing; books by Toby Olson, Jackson Mac Low, bpNichol, John Taggart and others; creating The Water Street Arts Center (parent of Woodland Pattern); Margins magazine and symposiums on Guy Davenport, Rochelle Owens, Diane Wakoski, Michael McClure, Clark Coolidge, Theodore Enslin, Tom Phillps, Ian Tyson, and Joe Tilson. Prelude, Investigation of the Recent Work of Vernon Frazer guest edited by Jonathan Penton includes interview, vispo, reviews by Jonathan Penton, Kirpal Gordon, Stephen-Paul Martin, Ric Carfagna, and Dan Waber The World Begins, A Visit With Tom Clark, guest edited by Dale Smith includes poems, letter exchange between Clark and Dale Smith, critical work by Dale Smith and David Hadbawnik Mother Slovenia, Anthology of Slovenian Poetry guest edited by Andrew Lundwall includes Alja Adam, Primoz Cucnik, Svetlana, Makarovic, Novica Novakovic, Iztok OsojnikGregor Podlogar, Tone Skrjanec, Jana Putrle Srdic, Uros Zupan Wales Song, Anthology of Welsh Poetry guest edited by Graham Hartill includes Ian Davidson, Lyndon Davies, Peter Finch, Penny Hallas, Graham Hartill, Ric Hool, John Jones, Phil Maillard, Ian McLachlan, Fiona Owen, lloyd robson, Zoe Skoulding, Zoe Skoulding and Ian Davidson, Chris Torrance, Christopher Twigg Iraqi Ice Tea, Tom Hibbard's Epic Journal of The Second Iraqi War Seven Samplings of Minimalist Infraverbal Poetry guest edited by Bob Grumman featuring Richard Kostelanetz, endwar, Karl Kempton, LeRoy Gorman, mIEKAL aND, lyx ish, Geof Huth, and Jonathan Brannen Poetry: Nate Mohatt, Rodney Nelson, David Plumb, John Roche, Lynn Strongin, Erik Sweet, Anne Tardos, Mike Topp, a. d. winans, David Bromidge & Rychard Denner, Ed Baker, Ira Cohen, Norman Fischer, Christien Gholson, Giles Goodland, Michelle Greenblatt, Julia Istomina, Tim Keane, Joel Lewis Fiction/Non-Fiction with Bobbie Louise Hawkins, Michael Hettich; Halvard Johnson FjordAnn Bogle, Shira Dentz, Kirpal Gordon, Stephen-Paul Martin, Stephen Moran, Carol Novack, Seth Phelps, Lynda Schor, Steve Starger, Mark Wallace, Reviews and Reflections: Maggie Dubris reviews Not Only Love: New and Collected Poems 1975-2003 by Richard McMullen; Kirpal Gordon: Entering the 'Clear Pool School' of Poetry: Reviews of Eric Paul Shaffer's Lahaina Noon and Jordan Jones's The Wheel; Anthony Hunt: Commentary on the writing of Genesis, Structure, and Meaning in Gary Snyder's 'Mountains and Rivers Without End'; Marie Kazalia: sameness in the luxury of being: A review of Suckers by Joseph Farley; Sheila E. Murphy on brain:storm by Michelle Greenblatt; Charles P. Ries on The Babarians of San Francisco - Poets from Hell; Big Bridge recommends Jack Collom's exchanges of Earth and Sky; Apikoros Sleuth; Derek Whites, The Singing Fish Art: Collage Retrospective from Paul Grillo, Photography by Darren Holmes and Marcela L. Little Mags: Features ART:MAG; Black Spring; Clara Venus; Court Green; Factorial; Golden Handcuffs Review; new, International Visual and Verbal Communication; small town; Spore; Vanitas; Wandering Hermit Review; Wildflowers,Woodstock mountain poetry anthology -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any other titles people particularly like? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Jan 31 01:09:17 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:09:17 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] monolinear manifesto: turning Steiner References: <231.609fe45.31100976@aol.com> <015201c62607$ea8ca430$3db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <007c01c6262c$debe2e60$daa93252@ANNY> Contributing to the Threadoplex, to make it a HighWThreadoplex, I would like to open a page on Manifestos with the one by James, do you think I will be able to collect enough (say some could do)? Bob, do you have a couple in some pockets, Tad, Hal, Susan, Helen, anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] monolinear manifesto: turning Steiner Extirpating the idea is the best idea I've heard on this thread so far. That wasn't even a thread; it was no more than a filament. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey, now that I've contributed to it, it's a Major Threadoplex, James! --Bob G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Jan 31 06:09:46 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:09:46 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] monolinear manifesto: turning Steiner References: <231.609fe45.31100976@aol.com><015201c62607$ea8ca430$3db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <007c01c6262c$debe2e60$daa93252@ANNY> Message-ID: <003801c62656$d91dce50$a9b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I don't have any official manifestos, Anny, but will look around to see if I can find something that's sort of one. I've certainly written essays strongly calling for one thing or another, like a list of poetry schools. May take a while to let you know what I have, if anything, though. Thanks for asking. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Tue Jan 31 08:48:39 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:48:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] monolinear manifesto: turning Steiner In-Reply-To: <007c01c6262c$debe2e60$daa93252@ANNY> References: <231.609fe45.31100976@aol.com> <015201c62607$ea8ca430$3db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <007c01c6262c$debe2e60$daa93252@ANNY> Message-ID: <3C3CC01A-7F8B-4250-8C10-4ABB50380DB7@earthlink.net> Here are two of my favorites, Anny, by Jackson Mac Low. Manifest To manifest: to be, visibly. To make visible what was formerly invisible or otherwise to make sensible what was formerly not. To present or make present, vocally, visibly, or otherwise, one's views, sentiments, objections, etc., in reference to a matter of public concern. Manifest: a commercial document listing constituents of cargo or names of passengers on a plane, ship, or other vehicle. A manifest of meanings. To make evident or certain by showing or displaying. Readily perceived by the senses, especially by sight. Easily understood or recognized. Obvious. To become obvious. To be, obviously. To be, recognizable. To emerge as a figure from a ground. To become visible, or otherwise perceptible, as an agent. To act. To make interior states perceptible to others. Manifesto: a public declaration of principles, intentions, views, or feelings. A document in which is said explicitly what otherwise might have remained implicit in political, artistic, or other practice. To present or make present. To present for inspection what might not otherwise have been able to be inspected. To make the implicit explicit. To make the hidden unhidden. To say what might not otherwise have been said. Choose one or more of the following: Every text is a manifesto. Every (adjective) text is a manifesto. Every text worth reading is a manifesto. 18 June 1983 New York Unmanifest What the maker of a manifesto does not comprehend or acknowledge is the basic unmanifestness from which and within which each manifest- ation takes place. It is this neglect or ignorance that calls forth repugnance when a manifesto is proclaimed or published, especially one regarding art. As if what comes to being in and as the work of art could ever be totally manifest or even manifest at all without its abiding steadfastly in the unmanifest! A work of art is a manifesto only insofar as it is its own antimanifesto. 21 June 1983 New York --Jackson Mac Low fr. *Bloomsday* [Barrytown, NY: Station Hill Press, 1984] On Jan 31, 2006, at 1:09 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > Contributing to the Threadoplex, to make it a HighWThreadoplex, > I would like to open a page on Manifestos with the one by James, do > you think I will be able to collect enough (say some could do)? > Bob, do you have a couple in some pockets, Tad, Hal, Susan, Helen, > anyone? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Grumman > To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:44 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] monolinear manifesto: turning Steiner > > Extirpating the idea is the best idea I've heard on this thread so > far. > That wasn't even a thread; it was no more than a filament. > > > Hey, now that I've contributed to it, it's a Major Threadoplex, James! > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry Today's Specials Guide to the Tokyo Subway & other poems by Halvard Johnson Drivers, short stories by Nathan Leslie Now available from Hamilton Stone Editions and at a website (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Alibris, Powells, etc.) near you. 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Likewise, I have other favorite poets who sometimes really miss the mark. I love Hayden Carruth's work, but when he published Tell Me Again How the White Heron Rises And Flies Across The Nacreous River at Twilight Toward the Distant Islands I wanted to groan. Great book, wrong title. --Suzanne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GrahamD at ripon.edu Tue Jan 31 11:48:56 2006 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:48:56 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] monolinear manifesto References: <231.609fe45.31100976@aol.com><015201c62607$ea8ca430$3db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <007c01c6262c$debe2e60$daa93252@ANNY> Message-ID: <30CA3ED510E3BE4C9E3C15ADC8603F69A8D835@URANIUM.ripon.college> A sort-of manifesto: Against Close Reading --Questions for Discussion What does the sky mean? Is the grass correct? How many splashes in that pond? And while we're at it, what is the point of Tuesday, of the numeral six, of north? Might the marsh water have an answer, an opinion, some silence as of judgment? Can you kindly explain the mailbox flecked with rust, new brakes, dog fur, the taste of salt? And how about this gray turkey strutting across a gray field as if he owns it? Wouldn't you agree? ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== ________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of Anny Ballardini Sent: Tue 1/31/2006 12:09 AM To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] monolinear manifesto: turning Steiner Contributing to the Threadoplex, to make it a HighWThreadoplex, I would like to open a page on Manifestos with the one by James, do you think I will be able to collect enough (say some could do)? Bob, do you have a couple in some pockets, Tad, Hal, Susan, Helen, anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] monolinear manifesto: turning Steiner Extirpating the idea is the best idea I've heard on this thread so far. That wasn't even a thread; it was no more than a filament. ________________________________ Hey, now that I've contributed to it, it's a Major Threadoplex, James! --Bob G. ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've certainly written essays strongly calling for one thing or another, like a list of poetry schools. May take a while to let you know what I have, if anything, though. Thanks for asking. --Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Tue Jan 31 14:00:14 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:00:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dove, Ryan, Stern References: <231.609fe45.31100976@aol.com><015201c62607$ea8ca430$3db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><007c01c6262c$debe2e60$daa93252@ANNY> <30CA3ED510E3BE4C9E3C15ADC8603F69A8D835@URANIUM.ripon.college> Message-ID: <001a01c62698$91e55c50$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Rita Dove, Gerald Stern, Kay Ryan Elected to Academy of American Poets' Board of Chancellors New York, January 31, 2006-Tree Swenson, Executive Director of the Academy of American Poets, announced today that Rita Dove, Gerald Stern, and Kay Ryan have been elected to the Board of Chancellors, the Academy's advisory board of distinguished poets. They join current Chancellors Frank Bidart, Robert Hass, Susan Howe, Galway Kinnell, Philip Levine, Nathaniel Mackey, Robert Pinsky, Susan Stewart, Gary Snyder, James Tate, Ellen Bryant Voigt, and C.K. Williams. From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 14:53:59 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:53:59 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Manifesto Cookie Message-ID: <648208b60601311153g1788c16dy3be637adcb88a8d9@mail.gmail.com> What once was whole is now cracked. Slip of paper does not say what I was thinking. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Jan 31 15:13:19 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:13:19 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] monolinear manifesto: turning Steiner References: <231.609fe45.31100976@aol.com><015201c62607$ea8ca430$3db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><007c01c6262c$debe2e60$daa93252@ANNY> <3C3CC01A-7F8B-4250-8C10-4ABB50380DB7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008601c626a2$c8aaec00$b0de3052@ANNY> Ah thanks Hal, I got to the bottom, finally: fr. *Bloomsday* [Barrytown, NY: Station Hill Press, 1984] I won't be able to use these, but thank you for forwarding them, they have the thick taste of the '80s when reading meant getting through hundreds and hundreds of pages, one after the other, and words slipped out meaningful and congruous, care, Anny From: Halvard Johnson Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:48 PM Here are two of my favorites, Anny, by Jackson Mac Low. Manifest To manifest: to be, visibly. To make visible what was formerly invisible or otherwise to make sensible what was formerly not. To present or make present, vocally, visibly, or otherwise, one's views, sentiments, objections, etc., in reference to a matter of public concern. Manifest: a commercial document listing constituents of cargo or names of passengers on a plane, ship, or other vehicle. A manifest of meanings. To make evident or certain by showing or displaying. Readily perceived by the senses, especially by sight. Easily understood or recognized. Obvious. To become obvious. To be, obviously. To be, recognizable. To emerge as a figure from a ground. To become visible, or otherwise perceptible, as an agent. To act. To make interior states perceptible to others. Manifesto: a public declaration of principles, intentions, views, or feelings. A document in which is said explicitly what otherwise might have remained implicit in political, artistic, or other practice. To present or make present. To present for inspection what might not otherwise have been able to be inspected. To make the implicit explicit. To make the hidden unhidden. To say what might not otherwise have been said. Choose one or more of the following: Every text is a manifesto. Every (adjective) text is a manifesto. Every text worth reading is a manifesto. 18 June 1983 New York Unmanifest What the maker of a manifesto does not comprehend or acknowledge is the basic unmanifestness from which and within which each manifest- ation takes place. It is this neglect or ignorance that calls forth repugnance when a manifesto is proclaimed or published, especially one regarding art. As if what comes to being in and as the work of art could ever be totally manifest or even manifest at all without its abiding steadfastly in the unmanifest! A work of art is a manifesto only insofar as it is its own antimanifesto. 21 June 1983 New York --Jackson Mac Low fr. *Bloomsday* [Barrytown, NY: Station Hill Press, 1984] Today's Specials Guide to the Tokyo Subway & other poems by Halvard Johnson Drivers, short stories by Nathan Leslie Now available from Hamilton Stone Editions and at a website (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Alibris, Powells, etc.) near you. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: