From clitophon at yahoo.com Wed Feb 1 07:37:13 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 04:37:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] bleak mid-winter In-Reply-To: <20060128131021.98646.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060201123713.18185.qmail@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> yes a blog. There?s something so Grizzly Adams about it all, well its irresistable. When I get back to my room I have a hot shower and pass out for 5 hours. Then I get up, read or paint and then sleep until 6PM. A bleak Mitteleuropean winter, so horrible it makes Ivan Denisovitch?s Gulag look like a holiday camp, but wasnt that what it was intended to look like? O for a bowl of fish head soup, a kick in the head and some bleary eyed sleep, woken by the stasi guard for yet another joyous kicking! Makes Orangefield look like a holiday camp. (that word again) I seek the sauna and the company of naked nymphettes to do sport with, fornicate, throw soap and the like. This is all salt rubbed into the wounds. Somehow my metaphors have become so mixed its almost good writing - gulags, nymphs, saunas, kicks. On the bleak walk over the bleak former Stalinist kicking ground my head fell off and a group of men had a game of impromptu football with it. Still sipping the last scale of scaley fish head soup, my glassy eye improved with all those important fish oils, I became the first header of the season. Ouch those metaphors hurt this time. My head became a sputnik that failed to make it. blag, blah, blag I live in....a barren Stalinoid fortress. Gangs of little children are shooting at me and trying to steal my rolex. Please smuggle this message to the free world and send help aaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Feb 1 07:54:52 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:54:52 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] 2/01/2006 01:48:00 PM Message-ID: <004801c6272e$b192e1d0$c3ac3452@ANNY> ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: anny.ballardini at tin.it Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: [NarcissusWorks] 2/01/2006 01:48:00 PM What a Woman Wants www ? check Tom Becket's post and see if you agree, good luck if you are a man. ????????????????????????????????????????? -- Posted by Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 2/01/2006 01:48:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the end it matters little what things we enjoy. We list them, and barely have we begun when the listener's attention has turned to something else. "Did you see that? The way that guy cut him off?" Darlings, we'll all be known for some detail, some nick in the chiseled brow, but it won't weigh much in the scale's careening pan. What others think of us is the only thing that matters, to us and to them. You are stuffing squash blossoms with porcini mushrooms. I am somewhere else, alone as usual. I must get back to my elegy. --John Ashbery. Where Shall I Wander. HarperCollins, 2005. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[Smile.] Bipartisan blah solutions blah, blah. [applause] Open blah markets, people everywhere Buy American. American worker rah, blah. [applause] Secure borders, blah, guest worker program--no amnesty. Our government providing health care for poor and elderly, blah. Blah. Hey, where's that remote? Who changed the channel? Okay. Blah, blah, blah. Addicted to oil. Clean, safe nucular energy. Better batteries. Blah, blah. Ethanol for everyone within six years. Blah. Teach our kids math, blah, and science. Blah, blah. Creative minds supported. Tax credits for all. Blah. Innovation, yea! No behind left unchilded. Blah, blah, blah. Abstinence, rah. Yada, yada, yada. No declining, no unraveling. New Justices, rah! Servants of law. O'Conner, bye. Alito, hi! Be good. No clones, no making centaurs, buying embryos. Thanks and blah, blah -- God bless America. And blah pray for stronger levees. Hal Serving the tristate area. 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I . . . blah, blah, freedom, blah, blah. And blah before blah blah blah-blah. Renew the blah, blah Patriot Act blah, blah. Make blah blah tax-cuts permanent, blah blah. Save Social blah Security blah. [Smile.] Bipartisan blah solutions blah, blah. [applause] Open blah markets, people everywhere Buy American. American worker rah, blah. [applause] Secure borders, blah, guest worker program--no amnesty. Our government providing health care for poor and elderly, blah. Blah. Hey, where's that remote? Who changed the channel? Okay. Blah, blah, blah. Addicted to oil. Clean, safe nucular energy. Better batteries. Blah, blah. Ethanol for everyone within six years. Blah. Teach our kids math, blah, and science. Blah, blah. Creative minds supported. Tax credits for all. Blah. Innovation, yea! No behind left unchilded. Blah, blah, blah. Abstinence, rah. Yada, yada, yada. No declining, no unraveling. New Justices, rah! Servants of law. O'Conner, bye. Alito, hi! Be good. No clones, no making centaurs, buying embryos. Thanks and blah, blah -- God bless America. And blah pray for stronger levees. Hal Serving the tristate area. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org = _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Feb 1 17:03:02 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:03:02 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] call for texts Message-ID: <021501c6277b$45705c10$e47c3652@ANNY> From: Pawel Jedrzejko (Office) [mailto:jedrzej at us.edu.pl] Sent: dinsdag 24 januari 2006 14:38 Dear Friends, On behalf of Prof. Teresa Pyzik of the Department of American Culture and Literature, University of Silesia in Katowice, Poland, it is my pleasure to extend a warmest invitation to contribute texts to the following volumes of the series "Great Themes of American Literature" to everyone potentially interested in the participation in the project: 1) Vol IV "The Family" (deadline: 1st April 2006) 2) Vol V - "Journeys, Travels, Wanders" (deadline 1st March 2007) Please, send your texts in English or in Polish, formatted according to the MLA Style in MS Word format or compatible. Apart from e-mail attachment to be sent to prof. Teresa Pyzik at pyzik at ares.fils.us.edu.pl, the Editors kindly request that three hard copies and a diskette be sent to the following physical address: Prof. Teresa Pyzik Department of American Literature and Culture Institute of British and American Culture and Literature University of Silesia in Katowice ul. Zytnia 10 41-205 Sosnowiec Poland Where applicable, please include copies of permission for all non-authored illustrative and other materials used in the text. Interested colleagues are kindly requested to contact Prof. Teresa Pyzik (pyzik at ares.fils.us.edu.pl) for details of the publication. Selected texts will be translated into Polish and published by the University of Silesia Press in the applicable volume of the Series. So far, two volumes of the Series have been published, triggering universal interest among Polish literary and cultural scholars and students: T. II - "Granica, pogranicze, Zach?d" (Vol.2 "Borders: the Frontier, The West) http://www.us.edu.pl/uniwersytet/jednostki/ogolne/wydawnictwo/index.php?op=view&pid=943 T. I - "B?g, wiara, religia" (Vol. 1. "God, Faith, Religion") http://www.us.edu.pl/uniwersytet/jednostki/ogolne/wydawnictwo/index.php?op=view&pid=680 Volume 3, dedicated to cities and towns, is currently in print. Welcome to collaboration, on behalf of Prof. Teresa Pyzik, Pawel Jedrzejko Institute of British and American Culture and Literature University of Silesia in Katowice ul. Zytnia 10 41-205 Sosnowiec Poland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So in my reading it doesn't matter who's coming--just that the husband can't resist urging his wife to come back inside, in order not to expose their dirty linen, etc. My reading is essentially the same as Randall Jarrell's, in his phenomenal essay on this poem. No doubt that's where I first got it. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Monday, 5 Dec 1994. Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:09:36 -0600 (CST) From: Richard S Abowitz Subject: Contemporary American Poetry Please note in _Humanist_: A new list, dedicated to discussing contemporary American poetry, has just started. To subscribe to the list (CAP-L) send your request to listserv at vm1.spcs.umn.edu The request should say SUBSCRIBE CAP-L and, if new to the system, . * Next message: _Elaine Brennan: "8.0346 Rs: Dartmouth Dante (1/13)"_ (http://lists.village.virginia.edu/lists_archive/Humanist/v08/0343.html) * Previous message: _Elaine Brennan: "8.0344 NEH Summer Seminar: The new World (1/29)"_ (http://lists.village.virginia.edu/lists_archive/Humanist/v08/0341.html) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the meantime hundreds of poetry sites were flowering all over the World Wide Web, WOMPO-L and other lists (some like SubPoetics imploded) were formed and flourishing. And so it was lights out for CAP-L. Blogging seems to be the most immediate threat to List life these days. I still think of blogs more as islands...a less immediate medium. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Wed Feb 1 22:48:00 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:48:00 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Brief history of CAP-L In-Reply-To: <241.62f2148.3112d328@aol.com> Message-ID: I joined CAP-L early in 1995, but don't recall when it was started, exactly, or how I happened to learn of it. CAP-L, by the way, stood for Contemporary American Poetry-List, and yes, Dawn and Richard were the moderators. Amazing to think I've been list-serving for over a decade now. . . . If I remembering rightly, Tad Richards was around in the very early CAP-L days. Right, Tad? And many others, now long gone from my in-box, such as Joe Duemer, Barry Spacks, Alfred Corn, and even Ron Silliman, who occasionally posted things other than plugs for his blog. WomPo was a direct spin-off of CAP-L, formed by Annie Finch as a woman-centric list when she decided that the testosterone level was too high on CAP-L, as well as many lists. Too many mud-slinging matches and chest-beating displays. Women tended not to be too active, after a while. Same has seemed to be true of any list I've ever encountered; and Wompo really has been an unusual list in that respect. I've been one of the few token males on that list since 1999. I visit some blogs from time to time, but generally I prefer the different sort of atmosphere on a good list. And during the bad times I just hit the Delete button. on 2/1/06 9:14 PM, JforJames at aol.com at JforJames at aol.com wrote: http://www.scopeweekly.com/2002/10_03/art_theater.html Above is a article by Dawn McCarra Bass; the editorial page lists one Richard Abowitz. I think they were the founders of CAP-L. But I don't know much about them...or why they started it. I'd love to revisit the heady early days of CAP-L...but I was sort of second generation...joining sometime in late in '96, and not posting much until '97. Somewhere around late '99, if I'm remembering correctly, the list started to unravel...there were changes in where the list was managed, software glitches and posting difficulties. And I think some of the energy just went out of it. In the meantime hundreds of poetry sites were flowering all over the World Wide Web, WOMPO-L and other lists (some like SubPoetics imploded) were formed and flourishing. And so it was lights out for CAP-L. 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URL: From rsillima at yahoo.com Thu Feb 2 07:19:27 2006 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 04:19:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Major change in copyright law coming Message-ID: <20060202121927.45232.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This comes from StockPhotographer.Info, about a bill that could make many works of art infringements on trademarks. Important New Legislation Proposal Written by Edward Greenberg Wednesday, 25 January 2006 A few weeks ago I referenced a proposed new Trademark law formally entitled "HR 683 - the Trademark Dilution Revision Act". It passed in the House of Representatives and is under consideration by the Judiciary Committee. Now stay with me, don't get bored. This is important. The Act contains certain anti-speech aspects which will directly affect illustrators, photographers and others. It will serve to eliminate the current protection for non-commercial speech currently contained in the Lanham Act. It will prevent businesses (artists)and consumers from invoking famous trademarks to explain or illustrate their discussion of public issues. For example, using the phrase "Where's the Beef" could be actionable. Although you might use it in a non-commercial way, the (very) famous Wendy's slogan when used to comment might not be protected by the fair use exception. The Act would give companies considerable leverage in preventing artists and photographers from employing their marks in images by claiming the mark is being "diluted". The bigger the company, the more famous the trademark, the easier it will be to prevent you guys from using it. National companies with highly recognizable marks would have more leverage than any single creator or small business and would easily outspend any of you to prevent your using their mark. Exceptions for fair use, non-commercial use, reportage, commentary, etc. currently existing could disappear and would be no defense to claims of infringement of a registered or unregistered mark. Trade dress is often unregistered. To see how this new legislation might operate, go to www.dsart.com/Gallery/VW_bug.htm. That illustration was created by Donald Stewart in 1992. Mr. Stewart has displayed the work to students in classes and used it as a teaching tool. The image has also been sold. VW of America has threatened Mr. Stewart with litigation in anticipation of the new law. The Volkswagen Beetle is composed of bugs. The illustration does not disparage VW in any way. It is lighthearted and whimsical. It clearly posts the VW marks. I dare say most if not all of you, have created works which like Mr. Stewart's, are not disparaging and employ some recognizable mark somewhere in your image. A photo using a Hummer for example, to comment on the proliferation of gas guzzling SUVs could give GM/Hummer cause to prevent the publication of your image. Incidental, background use of a recognizable mark like a Coke can for example, could easily result in your prompt receipt of a lawyer's letter from a really big law firm representing a really, really big corporation. As written, strong cases have/could be made against candidates who have used popular marks to comment on their opponents. This is not a right wing/left wing thing. It is a free speech, little guy against big guy thing. Your artistic freedom is at risk. I urge all of you to write to Senator Arlen Specter, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, 711 Hart Building, Washington, DC 20510 to voice your opposition to this bill. Mr. Stewart is ably represented by Paul Alan Levy, Esq. who is with Public Citizen Litigation Group, 1600-20th Street, NW Washington DC 20009 www.citizen.org/litigation. He has taken an active role in fighting this proposed legislation and deserves your vocal and written support. This is your livelihood we are talking about here. Don't bitch about corporate coercion, do something about it. Send a letter or better, send a photograph accompanied by a short note to make your point. You guys get paid to create images to sell products and ideas get people's attention. Get Senator Specter's attention and write to your own Senator as well. The bad guys are betting heavy on your well earned reputation for apathy. Edward C. Greenberg Erica Galinski Greenberg & Reicher, LLP 50 East 42nd St. 17th floor New York, NY 10017 212.697.8777 ecglaw at aol.com Last Updated ( Wednesday, 25 January 2006 ) From snakecharmer at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 10:02:37 2006 From: snakecharmer at gmail.com (Donna Casinghino) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:02:37 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Home Burial In-Reply-To: <20060202105122.DEA6E2E8014@smapp00.siteprotect.com> References: <20060202105122.DEA6E2E8014@smapp00.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <33abf2750602020702q47ef6b60q5b1bce8c3fd6b114@mail.gmail.com> I'm inclined to agree that there is at least a third character here. Not so much that the character is physically present, but he is definitely thinking of a specific person when he says "someone else." But there's possibly a fourth character. There's no direct evidence that the "someone else" she's taking it to is the same as the person coming down the road. It could be, but it just as easily could not be. It could be that the two are the same, and he *should* recognize the one coming down the road but the person is still far enough away that he can't identify the figure. But let's go on the assumption that the two mentioned "others" are one in the same, and there's only a third character in the poem. It's a good possibility, it's the easiest to explain (fewer variables), and it happens to fit in with my personal theory, so I'm going with it. Maybe it's her mother. The poem's voice itself is impersonal in the face of a very personal issue. It wouldn't surprise me if a mother figure (his mother-in-law) was glossed over just as impersonally. The couple strikes me as young. Very young in fact--the first child of a farm family would come early, so the couple is most likely not out of their teenage years. Barely out of childhood herself, she would still have a very strong bond to her mother. I would imagine that's who she would turn to first. She's young. She's scared. Mother has been there her entire life. Her husband is young himself, and hasn't been with her long. They may not even know each other very well--they're practically children, married as children, and this is their first headlong plunge into raw adulthood. She would instinctively turn to her mother for help. And who else would truly understand a mother's loss of a child, besides another mother? Especially within the family--if the unknown third character is indeed her mother, it would be a generational connection: the mother is not only mourning the loss of her grandson, but also her daughter's loss of child. The mother-daughter relationship (a positive one, that is) is powerful and entirely exclusive of any other relationship. It's the bond of female, the bond of mother, the bond of true blood family that the "he" in this poem cannot connect to. He hates being shut out of the grieving, but at the same time he can't connect in the way a mother and daughter connect. It makes sense, too, if he is attacking the mother-daughter bond itself. In the lines: What was it brought you up to think it the thing To take your mother-loss of a first child So inconsolably- in the face of love. You'd think his memory might be satisfied --' 'There you go sneering now!' He is directly insulting the mother-daughter bond, saying that it's nothing compared to the bond of love between man and wife. He's also insulting her family line itself--her family traditions, her mother herself as well as the mother-daughter bond, in insinuating that she was brought up poorly. In trying to win her to his side, he's driving the stake further between them by insulting her mother and her confidant. I think the line 'There you go sneering now!' is major evidence to this. The line comes right after the reference to their son and the son's memory, but I think this is Frost trying to deflect the line. She could just as well be sneering at the blatant insult to her mother and her upbringing, and like everywhere else in the poem, her husband just doesn't get it. The poem itself directs your attention away from what truly makes her sneer, and puts the blame instead on the insult to the son's memory--because this is what HE believes made her sneer. Again, he just isn't able to connect to the mother-daughter bond. And being his mother-in-law, why should anything prevent him from making a scene? After all, it's in the family. There's no public airing of dirty laundry per se, but at the same time I'm sure he doesn't want his mother-in-law knowing they're having problems between them. It's not exactly something one wants to admit to the in-laws. Reading back on this, I notice it's my standard poorly-explained gibberish. I can clarify if needed, but I think I've run on long enough. -donna On 2/2/06, opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: > > > I think there really is a third character in the poem -- he tells her > earlier in the poem not to take it to someone else this time, which suggests > that she has done that. And I don't see any strong indication that he cares > what the neighbors will think. He's not afraid to make a public scene if he > has to -- following her and bringing her back by force. Besides, she's going > out as this other person comes up. Maybe going out to meet the other person > -- her ride away from the farm? So it could be as simple as a cab driver. > > > > Since she says no man can understand what she's going through, possibly a > woman friend, who will offer her sisterhood and feminist consolation, which > will be illusory, since no one -- woman or man -- can really go with her > where she's going, which is beyond the lip of the grave. > > > > Or a preacher, who will offer her spiritual consolation, which will be > illusory. > > > > Or...unlikely but possible, a lover, who will offer her sexual > consolation, which will be illusory. > > > > Or a spiritualist, who will offer her actual communication with the dead > child, which will be a fraud. > > > > Even the cab driver would be offering her an illusory escape, since she > can't ever really leave the landing and the window. > > > *On Wed Feb 1 21:21 , David Graham sent: > > * > > Home Burial on 2/1/06 2:46 PM, opus40-01 at opus40.org at > opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: > > > Who's coming down the road at the end? > > * > * > > _______________________________________________ > > > Don't know. You got a theory? I've always simply taken it to mean that the > husband is concerned (rather inappropriately, given the circumstances) at > what the neighbors will think. And that's part of what drives Amy to > flee--realizing that, despite what she's just said to her husband, he still > doesn't get it. > > Nor does she get *him*, of course. . . . > > So in my reading it doesn't matter who's coming--just that the husband > can't resist urging his wife to come back inside, in order not to expose > their dirty linen, etc. > > My reading is essentially the same as Randall Jarrell's, in his phenomenal > essay on this poem. No doubt that's where I first got it. > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ------------------------------------------------- Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under 't. --Macbeth I:v -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Thu Feb 2 11:04:41 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:04:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Home Burial References: <20060202105122.DEA6E2E8014@smapp00.siteprotect.com> <33abf2750602020702q47ef6b60q5b1bce8c3fd6b114@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001001c62812$604dc670$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> This is an alternative that had never occurred to me, and it makes a lot of sense. I've asked my Am Lit survey class to answer this question for tomorrow's class, and after we go over their theories, I'll give them Donna's. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Casinghino To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Home Burial I'm inclined to agree that there is at least a third character here. Not so much that the character is physically present, but he is definitely thinking of a specific person when he says "someone else." But there's possibly a fourth character. There's no direct evidence that the "someone else" she's taking it to is the same as the person coming down the road. It could be, but it just as easily could not be. It could be that the two are the same, and he *should* recognize the one coming down the road but the person is still far enough away that he can't identify the figure. But let's go on the assumption that the two mentioned "others" are one in the same, and there's only a third character in the poem. It's a good possibility, it's the easiest to explain (fewer variables), and it happens to fit in with my personal theory, so I'm going with it. Maybe it's her mother. The poem's voice itself is impersonal in the face of a very personal issue. It wouldn't surprise me if a mother figure (his mother-in-law) was glossed over just as impersonally. The couple strikes me as young. Very young in fact--the first child of a farm family would come early, so the couple is most likely not out of their teenage years. Barely out of childhood herself, she would still have a very strong bond to her mother. I would imagine that's who she would turn to first. She's young. She's scared. Mother has been there her entire life. Her husband is young himself, and hasn't been with her long. They may not even know each other very well--they're practically children, married as children, and this is their first headlong plunge into raw adulthood. She would instinctively turn to her mother for help. And who else would truly understand a mother's loss of a child, besides another mother? Especially within the family--if the unknown third character is indeed her mother, it would be a generational connection: the mother is not only mourning the loss of her grandson, but also her daughter's loss of child. The mother-daughter relationship (a positive one, that is) is powerful and entirely exclusive of any other relationship. It's the bond of female, the bond of mother, the bond of true blood family that the "he" in this poem cannot connect to. He hates being shut out of the grieving, but at the same time he can't connect in the way a mother and daughter connect. It makes sense, too, if he is attacking the mother-daughter bond itself. In the lines: What was it brought you up to think it the thing To take your mother-loss of a first child So inconsolably- in the face of love. You'd think his memory might be satisfied --' 'There you go sneering now!' He is directly insulting the mother-daughter bond, saying that it's nothing compared to the bond of love between man and wife. He's also insulting her family line itself--her family traditions, her mother herself as well as the mother-daughter bond, in insinuating that she was brought up poorly. In trying to win her to his side, he's driving the stake further between them by insulting her mother and her confidant. I think the line 'There you go sneering now!' is major evidence to this. The line comes right after the reference to their son and the son's memory, but I think this is Frost trying to deflect the line. She could just as well be sneering at the blatant insult to her mother and her upbringing, and like everywhere else in the poem, her husband just doesn't get it. The poem itself directs your attention away from what truly makes her sneer, and puts the blame instead on the insult to the son's memory--because this is what HE believes made her sneer. Again, he just isn't able to connect to the mother-daughter bond. And being his mother-in-law, why should anything prevent him from making a scene? After all, it's in the family. There's no public airing of dirty laundry per se, but at the same time I'm sure he doesn't want his mother-in-law knowing they're having problems between them. It's not exactly something one wants to admit to the in-laws. Reading back on this, I notice it's my standard poorly-explained gibberish. I can clarify if needed, but I think I've run on long enough. -donna On 2/2/06, opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: I think there really is a third character in the poem -- he tells her earlier in the poem not to take it to someone else this time, which suggests that she has done that. And I don't see any strong indication that he cares what the neighbors will think. He's not afraid to make a public scene if he has to -- following her and bringing her back by force. Besides, she's going out as this other person comes up. Maybe going out to meet the other person -- her ride away from the farm? So it could be as simple as a cab driver. Since she says no man can understand what she's going through, possibly a woman friend, who will offer her sisterhood and feminist consolation, which will be illusory, since no one -- woman or man -- can really go with her where she's going, which is beyond the lip of the grave. Or a preacher, who will offer her spiritual consolation, which will be illusory. Or...unlikely but possible, a lover, who will offer her sexual consolation, which will be illusory. Or a spiritualist, who will offer her actual communication with the dead child, which will be a fraud. Even the cab driver would be offering her an illusory escape, since she can't ever really leave the landing and the window. On Wed Feb 1 21:21 , David Graham sent: Home Burial on 2/1/06 2:46 PM, opus40-01 at opus40.org at opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: Who's coming down the road at the end? _______________________________________________ Don't know. You got a theory? I've always simply taken it to mean that the husband is concerned (rather inappropriately, given the circumstances) at what the neighbors will think. And that's part of what drives Amy to flee--realizing that, despite what she's just said to her husband, he still doesn't get it. Nor does she get *him*, of course. . . . So in my reading it doesn't matter who's coming--just that the husband can't resist urging his wife to come back inside, in order not to expose their dirty linen, etc. My reading is essentially the same as Randall Jarrell's, in his phenomenal essay on this poem. No doubt that's where I first got it. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ------------------------------------------------- Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under 't. --Macbeth I:v ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Thu Feb 2 13:05:30 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:05:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Home Burial References: <20060202105122.DEA6E2E8014@smapp00.siteprotect.com> <33abf2750602020702q47ef6b60q5b1bce8c3fd6b114@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007701c62823$41422c60$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> What's disturbing me about the mother theory is that I can't fit it into my litany of illusory consolation. That might actually be real. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Casinghino To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Home Burial I'm inclined to agree that there is at least a third character here. Not so much that the character is physically present, but he is definitely thinking of a specific person when he says "someone else." But there's possibly a fourth character. There's no direct evidence that the "someone else" she's taking it to is the same as the person coming down the road. It could be, but it just as easily could not be. It could be that the two are the same, and he *should* recognize the one coming down the road but the person is still far enough away that he can't identify the figure. But let's go on the assumption that the two mentioned "others" are one in the same, and there's only a third character in the poem. It's a good possibility, it's the easiest to explain (fewer variables), and it happens to fit in with my personal theory, so I'm going with it. Maybe it's her mother. The poem's voice itself is impersonal in the face of a very personal issue. It wouldn't surprise me if a mother figure (his mother-in-law) was glossed over just as impersonally. The couple strikes me as young. Very young in fact--the first child of a farm family would come early, so the couple is most likely not out of their teenage years. Barely out of childhood herself, she would still have a very strong bond to her mother. I would imagine that's who she would turn to first. She's young. She's scared. Mother has been there her entire life. Her husband is young himself, and hasn't been with her long. They may not even know each other very well--they're practically children, married as children, and this is their first headlong plunge into raw adulthood. She would instinctively turn to her mother for help. And who else would truly understand a mother's loss of a child, besides another mother? Especially within the family--if the unknown third character is indeed her mother, it would be a generational connection: the mother is not only mourning the loss of her grandson, but also her daughter's loss of child. The mother-daughter relationship (a positive one, that is) is powerful and entirely exclusive of any other relationship. It's the bond of female, the bond of mother, the bond of true blood family that the "he" in this poem cannot connect to. He hates being shut out of the grieving, but at the same time he can't connect in the way a mother and daughter connect. It makes sense, too, if he is attacking the mother-daughter bond itself. In the lines: What was it brought you up to think it the thing To take your mother-loss of a first child So inconsolably- in the face of love. You'd think his memory might be satisfied --' 'There you go sneering now!' He is directly insulting the mother-daughter bond, saying that it's nothing compared to the bond of love between man and wife. He's also insulting her family line itself--her family traditions, her mother herself as well as the mother-daughter bond, in insinuating that she was brought up poorly. In trying to win her to his side, he's driving the stake further between them by insulting her mother and her confidant. I think the line 'There you go sneering now!' is major evidence to this. The line comes right after the reference to their son and the son's memory, but I think this is Frost trying to deflect the line. She could just as well be sneering at the blatant insult to her mother and her upbringing, and like everywhere else in the poem, her husband just doesn't get it. The poem itself directs your attention away from what truly makes her sneer, and puts the blame instead on the insult to the son's memory--because this is what HE believes made her sneer. Again, he just isn't able to connect to the mother-daughter bond. And being his mother-in-law, why should anything prevent him from making a scene? After all, it's in the family. There's no public airing of dirty laundry per se, but at the same time I'm sure he doesn't want his mother-in-law knowing they're having problems between them. It's not exactly something one wants to admit to the in-laws. Reading back on this, I notice it's my standard poorly-explained gibberish. I can clarify if needed, but I think I've run on long enough. -donna On 2/2/06, opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: I think there really is a third character in the poem -- he tells her earlier in the poem not to take it to someone else this time, which suggests that she has done that. And I don't see any strong indication that he cares what the neighbors will think. He's not afraid to make a public scene if he has to -- following her and bringing her back by force. Besides, she's going out as this other person comes up. Maybe going out to meet the other person -- her ride away from the farm? So it could be as simple as a cab driver. Since she says no man can understand what she's going through, possibly a woman friend, who will offer her sisterhood and feminist consolation, which will be illusory, since no one -- woman or man -- can really go with her where she's going, which is beyond the lip of the grave. Or a preacher, who will offer her spiritual consolation, which will be illusory. Or...unlikely but possible, a lover, who will offer her sexual consolation, which will be illusory. Or a spiritualist, who will offer her actual communication with the dead child, which will be a fraud. Even the cab driver would be offering her an illusory escape, since she can't ever really leave the landing and the window. On Wed Feb 1 21:21 , David Graham sent: Home Burial on 2/1/06 2:46 PM, opus40-01 at opus40.org at opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: Who's coming down the road at the end? _______________________________________________ Don't know. You got a theory? I've always simply taken it to mean that the husband is concerned (rather inappropriately, given the circumstances) at what the neighbors will think. And that's part of what drives Amy to flee--realizing that, despite what she's just said to her husband, he still doesn't get it. Nor does she get *him*, of course. . . . So in my reading it doesn't matter who's coming--just that the husband can't resist urging his wife to come back inside, in order not to expose their dirty linen, etc. My reading is essentially the same as Randall Jarrell's, in his phenomenal essay on this poem. No doubt that's where I first got it. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- ------------------------------------------------- Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under 't. --Macbeth I:v ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snakecharmer at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 14:04:03 2006 From: snakecharmer at gmail.com (Donna Casinghino) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:04:03 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Home Burial In-Reply-To: <007701c62823$41422c60$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> References: <20060202105122.DEA6E2E8014@smapp00.siteprotect.com> <33abf2750602020702q47ef6b60q5b1bce8c3fd6b114@mail.gmail.com> <007701c62823$41422c60$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: <33abf2750602021104l405f910dke53b49d6109fd59c@mail.gmail.com> Here's a way you can fit it into your way of thinking. All you have to do is defend the husband. What I said before about the two being young and this being their first plunge into adulthood. He *is* the one being mature about it. He's giving us the perspective of the true man of the house and man of the farm. He has a realistic idea of death. It's *his* family's burial plot that's being overlooked. His child is just one more member of his line, of his history, who had to be buried in that plot. Their son isn't necessarily the first child buried in the graveyard--not that she would know that. It's a typical farm standpoint: things are born, things die. Some things die earlier than others and it isn't fair, but life isn't fair and we take what comes. His perspective on the loss is a mature perspective. Life goes on, we'll grieve, we'll heal, we'll love each other, and we'll live to have more babies. There's no sense wallowing in what might have been and what can't be. We make do best we can with what we can. HE is the adult. She is still childish. She hasn't learned the life lessons that a farm teaches. Possibly he has a point and it *is* her mother's fault in raising her. She's supposed to be a bit toughened to life and death, but she isn't (which is evident in the way she's reacting to the baby's death), which means she may have had a sheltered upbringing--at least, more sheltered than farm life should have given her. Instead of being an adult and turning to her husband for comfort (whereby together they can grieve and move on), she's turning back to her mother, back to the child she was, and back to that (in his opinion) foolishly sheltered upbringing. But she's completely shutting him out of her grief, acting like a child (in hiding behind her mother), and intentionally avoiding the process of moving on and living. Isn't it an old rural opinion that bad blood breeds bad blood? If the bitch is flawed, the whelp is weak? Maybe the husband himself had higher opinions of his wife until the child died, and he's disillusioned now when he's faced with how she treats death. And he's blaming her mother for not preparing her for the tough spots in life. She's pining away, refusing him, refusing to heal, and she's never going to find comfort if she shuts all of these things out. Does that reconcile your illusory consolation? She's going to a real person, but it's for false comfort. She's a child being indulged in her temper tantrum. She's never going to find comfort in constantly grieving the lost child, which her mother (her confidant) is allowing and encouraging her to do. His way of facing it and moving on with the things you can change in life (like fixing the birch fence) and focusing on loving each other is the only way she'll find comfort. And, to be melodramatic, he's trying to force her to deal with him and to see that acceptance is the only path to healing, before she destroys herself and their life together by pining for the child she can never recover. On 2/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: > > What's disturbing me about the mother theory is that I can't fit it into > my litany of illusory consolation. That might actually be real. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Donna Casinghino > *To:* NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views > *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:02 AM > *Subject:* Re: [New-Poetry] Home Burial > > > I'm inclined to agree that there is at least a third character here. Not > so much that the character is physically present, but he is definitely > thinking of a specific person when he says "someone else." > > But there's possibly a fourth character. There's no direct evidence that > the "someone else" she's taking it to is the same as the person coming down > the road. It could be, but it just as easily could not be. It could be that > the two are the same, and he *should* recognize the one coming down the road > but the person is still far enough away that he can't identify the figure. > But let's go on the assumption that the two mentioned "others" are one in > the same, and there's only a third character in the poem. It's a good > possibility, it's the easiest to explain (fewer variables), and it happens > to fit in with my personal theory, so I'm going with it. > > Maybe it's her mother. > > The poem's voice itself is impersonal in the face of a very personal > issue. It wouldn't surprise me if a mother figure (his mother-in-law) was > glossed over just as impersonally. > > The couple strikes me as young. Very young in fact--the first child of a > farm family would come early, so the couple is most likely not out of their > teenage years. Barely out of childhood herself, she would still have a very > strong bond to her mother. I would imagine that's who she would turn to > first. She's young. She's scared. Mother has been there her entire life. Her > husband is young himself, and hasn't been with her long. They may not even > know each other very well--they're practically children, married as > children, and this is their first headlong plunge into raw adulthood. She > would instinctively turn to her mother for help. > > And who else would truly understand a mother's loss of a child, besides > another mother? Especially within the family--if the unknown third character > is indeed her mother, it would be a generational connection: the mother is > not only mourning the loss of her grandson, but also her daughter's loss of > child. The mother-daughter relationship (a positive one, that is) is > powerful and entirely exclusive of any other relationship. It's the bond of > female, the bond of mother, the bond of true blood family that the "he" in > this poem cannot connect to. He hates being shut out of the grieving, but at > the same time he can't connect in the way a mother and daughter connect. > > It makes sense, too, if he is attacking the mother-daughter bond itself. > In the lines: > > What was it brought you up to think it the thing > To take your mother-loss of a first child > So inconsolably- in the face of love. > You'd think his memory might be satisfied --' > 'There you go sneering now!' > > He is directly insulting the mother-daughter bond, saying that it's > nothing compared to the bond of love between man and wife. He's also > insulting her family line itself--her family traditions, her mother herself > as well as the mother-daughter bond, in insinuating that she was brought up > poorly. In trying to win her to his side, he's driving the stake further > between them by insulting her mother and her confidant. I think the line > > 'There you go sneering now!' > > is major evidence to this. The line comes right after the reference to > their son and the son's memory, but I think this is Frost trying to deflect > the line. She could just as well be sneering at the blatant insult to her > mother and her upbringing, and like everywhere else in the poem, her husband > just doesn't get it. The poem itself directs your attention away from what > truly makes her sneer, and puts the blame instead on the insult to the son's > memory--because this is what HE believes made her sneer. Again, he just > isn't able to connect to the mother-daughter bond. > > And being his mother-in-law, why should anything prevent him from making a > scene? After all, it's in the family. There's no public airing of dirty > laundry per se, but at the same time I'm sure he doesn't want his > mother-in-law knowing they're having problems between them. It's not exactly > something one wants to admit to the in-laws. > > Reading back on this, I notice it's my standard poorly-explained > gibberish. I can clarify if needed, but I think I've run on long enough. > > -donna > > > > > On 2/2/06, opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: > > > > > > I think there really is a third character in the poem -- he tells her > > earlier in the poem not to take it to someone else this time, which suggests > > that she has done that. And I don't see any strong indication that he cares > > what the neighbors will think. He's not afraid to make a public scene if he > > has to -- following her and bringing her back by force. Besides, she's going > > out as this other person comes up. Maybe going out to meet the other person > > -- her ride away from the farm? So it could be as simple as a cab driver. > > > > > > > > Since she says no man can understand what she's going through, possibly > > a woman friend, who will offer her sisterhood and feminist consolation, > > which will be illusory, since no one -- woman or man -- can really go with > > her where she's going, which is beyond the lip of the grave. > > > > > > > > Or a preacher, who will offer her spiritual consolation, which will be > > illusory. > > > > > > > > Or...unlikely but possible, a lover, who will offer her sexual > > consolation, which will be illusory. > > > > > > > > Or a spiritualist, who will offer her actual communication with the dead > > child, which will be a fraud. > > > > > > > > Even the cab driver would be offering her an illusory escape, since she > > can't ever really leave the landing and the window. > > > > > > *On Wed Feb 1 21:21 , David Graham sent: > > > > * > > > > Home Burial on 2/1/06 2:46 PM, opus40-01 at opus40.org at > > opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: > > > > > > Who's coming down the road at the end? > > > > * > > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Don't know. You got a theory? I've always simply taken it to mean that > > the husband is concerned (rather inappropriately, given the circumstances) > > at what the neighbors will think. And that's part of what drives Amy to > > flee--realizing that, despite what she's just said to her husband, he still > > doesn't get it. > > > > Nor does she get *him*, of course. . . . > > > > So in my reading it doesn't matter who's coming--just that the husband > > can't resist urging his wife to come back inside, in order not to expose > > their dirty linen, etc. > > > > My reading is essentially the same as Randall Jarrell's, in his > > phenomenal essay on this poem. No doubt that's where I first got it. > > > > > > ==================================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > Poetry Library: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > ==================================================== > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------- > Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under 't. --Macbeth I:v > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- ------------------------------------------------- Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under 't. --Macbeth I:v -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Mill -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: New Poetry Sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:03:02 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] call for texts From: Pawel Jedrzejko (Office) [mailto:jedrzej at us.edu.pl] Sent: dinsdag 24 januari 2006 14:38 Dear Friends, On behalf of Prof. Teresa Pyzik of the Department of American Culture and Literature, University of Silesia in Katowice, Poland, it is my pleasure to extend a warmest invitation to contribute texts to the following volumes of the series "Great Themes of American Literature" to everyone potentially interested in the participation in the project: 1) Vol IV "The Family" (deadline: 1st April 2006) 2) Vol V - "Journeys, Travels, Wanders" (deadline 1st March 2007) Please, send your texts in English or in Polish, formatted according to the MLA Style in MS Word format or compatible. Apart from e-mail attachment to be sent to prof. Teresa Pyzik at pyzik at ares.fils.us.edu.pl, the Editors kindly request that three hard copies and a diskette be sent to the following physical address: Prof. Teresa Pyzik Department of American Literature and Culture Institute of British and American Culture and Literature University of Silesia in Katowice ul. Zytnia 10 41-205 Sosnowiec Poland Where applicable, please include copies of permission for all non-authored illustrative and other materials used in the text. Interested colleagues are kindly requested to contact Prof. Teresa Pyzik (pyzik at ares.fils.us.edu.pl) for details of the publication. Selected texts will be translated into Polish and published by the University of Silesia Press in the applicable volume of the Series. So far, two volumes of the Series have been published, triggering universal interest among Polish literary and cultural scholars and students: T. II - "Granica, pogranicze, Zach?d" (Vol.2 "Borders: the Frontier, The West) http://www.us.edu.pl/uniwersytet/jednostki/ogolne/wydawnictwo/index.php?op=view&pid=943 T. I - "B?g, wiara, religia" (Vol. 1. "God, Faith, Religion") http://www.us.edu.pl/uniwersytet/jednostki/ogolne/wydawnictwo/index.php?op=view&pid=680 Volume 3, dedicated to cities and towns, is currently in print. Welcome to collaboration, on behalf of Prof. Teresa Pyzik, Pawel Jedrzejko Institute of British and American Culture and Literature University of Silesia in Katowice ul. Zytnia 10 41-205 Sosnowiec Poland Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Thanks, Mill -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: New Poetry Sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:03:02 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] call for texts From: Pawel Jedrzejko (Office) [mailto:jedrzej at us.edu.pl] Sent: dinsdag 24 januari 2006 14:38 Dear Friends, On behalf of Prof. Teresa Pyzik of the Department of American Culture and Literature, University of Silesia in Katowice, Poland, it is my pleasure to extend a warmest invitation to contribute texts to the following volumes of the series "Great Themes of American Literature" to everyone potentially interested in the participation in the project: 1) Vol IV "The Family" (deadline: 1st April 2006) 2) Vol V - "Journeys, Travels, Wanders" (deadline 1st March 2007) Please, send your texts in English or in Polish, formatted according to the MLA Style in MS Word format or compatible. Apart from e-mail attachment to be sent to prof. Teresa Pyzik at pyzik at ares.fils.us.edu.pl, the Editors kindly request that three hard copies and a diskette be sent to the following physical address: Prof. Teresa Pyzik Department of American Literature and Culture Institute of British and American Culture and Literature University of Silesia in Katowice ul. Zytnia 10 41-205 Sosnowiec Poland Where applicable, please include copies of permission for all non-authored illustrative and other materials used in the text. Interested colleagues are kindly requested to contact Prof. Teresa Pyzik (pyzik at ares.fils.us.edu.pl) for details of the publication. Selected texts will be translated into Polish and published by the University of Silesia Press in the applicable volume of the Series. So far, two volumes of the Series have been published, triggering universal interest among Polish literary and cultural scholars and students: T. II - "Granica, pogranicze, Zach?d" (Vol.2 "Borders: the Frontier, The West) http://www.us.edu.pl/uniwersytet/jednostki/ogolne/wydawnictwo/index.php?op=view&pid=943 T. I - "B?g, wiara, religia" (Vol. 1. "God, Faith, Religion") http://www.us.edu.pl/uniwersytet/jednostki/ogolne/wydawnictwo/index.php?op=view&pid=680 Volume 3, dedicated to cities and towns, is currently in print. Welcome to collaboration, on behalf of Prof. Teresa Pyzik, Pawel Jedrzejko Institute of British and American Culture and Literature University of Silesia in Katowice ul. Zytnia 10 41-205 Sosnowiec Poland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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In Mexico together, we all sat down to sew, to stitch our names in the fabric of time. Liberation, freely given to all concerned, just something to pull about our shoulders. Example and precept. Precept and example. Not a ruse, but an affirmation. Far afield, we have chanted the Moon?s name, held in abeyance by long-time donors. Silent voices?alive and well, after all is said and done. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Feb 2 16:20:21 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:20:21 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for Papers / France Message-ID: <006c01c6283e$796edd70$20aa3452@ANNY> >From: Vincent Bernard [mailto:bernard.vincent at noos.fr] >Sent: woensdag 1 februari 2006 11:59 French Association for American Studies / Association Fran?aise d'?tudes Am?ricaines AFEA Annual Conference, Paris, 2007 "LA FRANCE EN AM?RIQUE / FRANCE IN AMERICA" Call for Papers In 2007, the AFEA Conference will be held in Paris, from Thursday May 24 to Saturday May 26, at the Biblioth?que Nationale de France. The conference will take up the theme of the website jointly created by the BNF and the Library of Congress: "La France en Am?rique / France in America" (French site: http://gallica.bnf.fr/FranceAmerique/page.asp?/fr/T1-1-intro.htm American site: http://international.loc.gov/intldl/fiahtml/fiahome.html) The idea is to open up new research perspectives by moving away from stereotypes and suggesting new areas of scholarly focus. Whether in literature, art, history, sociology, linguistics or at any intersection of those fields, all proposals will be taken into consideration, so long as they give rise to fresh thinking on the subject. The United States, from the colonial era to modern times, will naturally be at the center of our debates, but proposals concerning Canada are also welcome. Besides the obvious case of Louisiana, possible sub-themes of the conference include: the role of the founders; intellectual go-betweens (Tocqueville, of course, but also contemporary figures); French travelers and travel narratives; the writings of French residents in America (political and religious refugees, economic immigrants, diplomatic staff, intellectuals in search of new models); the (real or alleged) impact of French literature and thought at various periods of history (not forgetting the subsequent feedback effects); immigration; cultural and political misunderstandings, but also the reality of cultural contaminations (including the felicitous and unfortunate effects linked to translation); specific cases of the dissemination of French ideas (structuralism, "French Theory," Foucault, Derrida, Serres, Ren? Girard...); the decline of French influence and its institutional support structures (Departments of French Studies, the Alliance Fran?aise); the diaspora of painters; the diffusion of French poetry; architecture (Pierre-Charles L'Enfant); French cinema across the Atlantic. It goes without saying that this list is not exhaustive. One-page proposals for both workshops and individual papers should be sent before July 1, 2006: - For literature, art, and language topics, to No?lle Batt (Paris 8): noelle.batt at wanadoo.fr - For history and sociology, to Denis Lacorne (IEP, Paris): lacorne at ceri-sciences-po.org - Please send a copy of each proposal to: Bernard Vincent (Orl?ans): bernard.vincent at noos.fr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Feb 2 16:29:23 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:29:23 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Encyclopedia of Africa and the Americas Message-ID: <008901c6283f$bce19970$20aa3452@ANNY> >From: William Kaufman [mailto:wkaufman at uclan.ac.uk] >Sent: donderdag 2 februari 2006 12:07 The Encyclopedia of Africa and the Americas (Transatlantic Relations Series) Edited by Richard M. Juang and Noelle Morrissette Santa Barbara, ABC-CLIO We welcome original entries from scholars at all levels-- college and university faculty, independent researchers and graduate students. Entries are oriented toward undergraduate students. We seek entries that provide an objective and accessible overview of the transatlantic dimensions of the topic or allow for an entry to be effectively cross-referenced to a transatlantic topic. Entries should draw upon a handful of authoritative printed secondary sources (not web-based or online resources) and the author's own knowledge of the topic. All authors will be credited for their work along with their entries. Please contact Richard M. Juang, Susquehanna University a t juang at susqu.edu if you are interested in writing. We thank you for your interest. Suggestions for entries are also welcome. Empire Entries, focusing on the role of each empire in creating relations between Africa and the Americas (Each 1500 words). British Empire French Empire Portuguese Empire People (Each 250-500 words) Danticat, Edwidge Delaney, Martin R. Diop, Cheikh Anta Movements, Beliefs, Processes (Range 250-1500+ words) Abolitionism (Africa and the Americas) Apartheid, Movements Against (Americas) Biodiversity Capitalism, including Banking and Finance Cities and Metropolitan Centers Climate Change Debt Cancellation / Forgiveness Democracy / Democratization Environmentalism / Environmental Conservation Fair Trade Movement Globalization Health Issues, including HIV and HIV Prevention Human Development Index Human Rights Industrialization Internet Access Middle Passage Non-Aligned Movement Plantations/Plantation System Rastafarianism Reparations (Slavery and Colonialism) Telecommunications Trade Liberalization Urbanization Institutions, Events, Agreements (Each 250-500 words) American Colonization Society African Union/Organization of African Unity Berlin West Africa Conference (1884-1885) Black Star Line Brussels Act (1890) OAS - Organization of American States Pan-African Conference (London 1900) Peace Corps Racism, World Conference Against World Anti-Slavery Conferences, 1840, 1843 World Health Organization (WHO) World Heritage Sites/ World Heritage Convention Nations and Regions (Contact Editor for Word Count) Canada Senegal Subject Area Overviews (1500 words) Latin American Literature (Excluding the Caribbean) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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Except you, of course, You haven't changed ... well, slowed down a bit, perhaps. It's more difficult nowadays to deal with the speed of change, dis- turbing to suddenly find yourself brushing your teeth with what appears to be a flashlight. But essentially you are the same as ever, constant in your instability. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Thu Feb 2 18:19:36 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:19:36 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Announcing Daisy Fried's New Book Message-ID: <1e2.4c75235b.3113ed88@aol.com> In a message dated 1/31/2006 12:16:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, daisyf1 at juno.com writes: I just wanted to let you know my new book of poems, My Brother is Getting Arrested Again, has been published by University of Pittsburgh Press. If you haven?t deleted this as spam already, you can read on and see something about the book and some nice things some people have said about it. Thank you, and best wishes? Daisy Fried My Brother Is Getting Arrested Again by Daisy Fried University of Pittsburgh Press, February 2006 ?Daisy Fried?s poetry is fluid and quicksilver as life seen close up. Here is an original voice: provocative, poignant, and often very funny.? ?Joyce Carol Oates ?Lyrical, pertinent, compelling, Daisy Fried?s new book is firmly centered in urban American life, a center the poet uses to contemplate nothing less than the contemporary human condition. No poem is less than specific, creating its own narrative implying much beyond its margins, yet each is self-contained in elegant structure. This is a book about political awakening in the largest sense, where wit convinces in the place of dogma.? ?Marilyn Hacker ?Daisy Fried does the gum-cracking teen who dominated your last train ride with her cell phone, she does the desolate young women who have tried on lives and found they won?t come off, she does the fortyish philosopher. She turns on her characters and on herself an objectivity at once brilliant and kind, shrewd and amused. Streetwise and unembarrassed and broken-hearted, her poems bring us a world so vivid and dense we would be glad for that gift alone: but then she lifts it for us, she makes it sing.? ?James Richardson My Brother is Getting Arrested Again celebrates the contradictions and quandaries of contemporary American life. These subversive, frequently self-mocking narrative poems are by turns funny and serious, book-smart and street-smart, lyrical and colloquial. Set in Philadelphia, Paris and New Jersey, the poems are at ease with sex happiness and sex trouble, girltalk and grownup married life, genre parody and antiwar politics, family warfare and family love. Unsentimental but full of emotion, Daisy Fried's new collection, a finalist for he 2005 James Laughlin Prize, is unforgettable. DAISY FRIED is the author of She Didn't Mean to Do It, winner of the Agnes Lynch Starrett Poetry Prize. She has also received the Cohen Award for poetry from Ploughshares, a Pushcart Prize and the Leeway Award for Excellence in poetry. Fried has been a Hodder Fellow at Princeton University and a Pew Fellow in poetry. Currently the Grace Hazard Conkling Writer-in-Residence at Smith College, she lives in Northampton, MA and Philadelphia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Thu Feb 2 19:58:19 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:58:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Home Burial References: <20060202105122.DEA6E2E8014@smapp00.siteprotect.com><33abf2750602020702q47ef6b60q5b1bce8c3fd6b114@mail.gmail.com><007701c62823$41422c60$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <33abf2750602021104l405f910dke53b49d6109fd59c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cf01c6285c$eca64620$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> I have no problem with defending the husband -- one of the brilliant things about this poem is that Frost totally does not take sides. Still, if it's Mom, there's some hope for her in working through this. She will be talking to someone who's been there. There's gotta be a little plot where her people are buried, too, and some little mounds in it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Casinghino To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Home Burial Here's a way you can fit it into your way of thinking. All you have to do is defend the husband. What I said before about the two being young and this being their first plunge into adulthood. He *is* the one being mature about it. He's giving us the perspective of the true man of the house and man of the farm. He has a realistic idea of death. It's *his* family's burial plot that's being overlooked. His child is just one more member of his line, of his history, who had to be buried in that plot. Their son isn't necessarily the first child buried in the graveyard--not that she would know that. It's a typical farm standpoint: things are born, things die. Some things die earlier than others and it isn't fair, but life isn't fair and we take what comes. His perspective on the loss is a mature perspective. Life goes on, we'll grieve, we'll heal, we'll love each other, and we'll live to have more babies. There's no sense wallowing in what might have been and what can't be. We make do best we can with what we can. HE is the adult. She is still childish. She hasn't learned the life lessons that a farm teaches. Possibly he has a point and it *is* her mother's fault in raising her. She's supposed to be a bit toughened to life and death, but she isn't (which is evident in the way she's reacting to the baby's death), which means she may have had a sheltered upbringing--at least, more sheltered than farm life should have given her. Instead of being an adult and turning to her husband for comfort (whereby together they can grieve and move on), she's turning back to her mother, back to the child she was, and back to that (in his opinion) foolishly sheltered upbringing. But she's completely shutting him out of her grief, acting like a child (in hiding behind her mother), and intentionally avoiding the process of moving on and living. Isn't it an old rural opinion that bad blood breeds bad blood? If the bitch is flawed, the whelp is weak? Maybe the husband himself had higher opinions of his wife until the child died, and he's disillusioned now when he's faced with how she treats death. And he's blaming her mother for not preparing her for the tough spots in life. She's pining away, refusing him, refusing to heal, and she's never going to find comfort if she shuts all of these things out. Does that reconcile your illusory consolation? She's going to a real person, but it's for false comfort. She's a child being indulged in her temper tantrum. She's never going to find comfort in constantly grieving the lost child, which her mother (her confidant) is allowing and encouraging her to do. His way of facing it and moving on with the things you can change in life (like fixing the birch fence) and focusing on loving each other is the only way she'll find comfort. And, to be melodramatic, he's trying to force her to deal with him and to see that acceptance is the only path to healing, before she destroys herself and their life together by pining for the child she can never recover. On 2/2/06, TheOldMole wrote: What's disturbing me about the mother theory is that I can't fit it into my litany of illusory consolation. That might actually be real. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Casinghino To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Home Burial I'm inclined to agree that there is at least a third character here. Not so much that the character is physically present, but he is definitely thinking of a specific person when he says "someone else." But there's possibly a fourth character. There's no direct evidence that the "someone else" she's taking it to is the same as the person coming down the road. It could be, but it just as easily could not be. It could be that the two are the same, and he *should* recognize the one coming down the road but the person is still far enough away that he can't identify the figure. But let's go on the assumption that the two mentioned "others" are one in the same, and there's only a third character in the poem. It's a good possibility, it's the easiest to explain (fewer variables), and it happens to fit in with my personal theory, so I'm going with it. Maybe it's her mother. The poem's voice itself is impersonal in the face of a very personal issue. It wouldn't surprise me if a mother figure (his mother-in-law) was glossed over just as impersonally. The couple strikes me as young. Very young in fact--the first child of a farm family would come early, so the couple is most likely not out of their teenage years. Barely out of childhood herself, she would still have a very strong bond to her mother. I would imagine that's who she would turn to first. She's young. She's scared. Mother has been there her entire life. Her husband is young himself, and hasn't been with her long. They may not even know each other very well--they're practically children, married as children, and this is their first headlong plunge into raw adulthood. She would instinctively turn to her mother for help. And who else would truly understand a mother's loss of a child, besides another mother? Especially within the family--if the unknown third character is indeed her mother, it would be a generational connection: the mother is not only mourning the loss of her grandson, but also her daughter's loss of child. The mother-daughter relationship (a positive one, that is) is powerful and entirely exclusive of any other relationship. It's the bond of female, the bond of mother, the bond of true blood family that the "he" in this poem cannot connect to. He hates being shut out of the grieving, but at the same time he can't connect in the way a mother and daughter connect. It makes sense, too, if he is attacking the mother-daughter bond itself. In the lines: What was it brought you up to think it the thing To take your mother-loss of a first child So inconsolably- in the face of love. You'd think his memory might be satisfied --' 'There you go sneering now!' He is directly insulting the mother-daughter bond, saying that it's nothing compared to the bond of love between man and wife. He's also insulting her family line itself--her family traditions, her mother herself as well as the mother-daughter bond, in insinuating that she was brought up poorly. In trying to win her to his side, he's driving the stake further between them by insulting her mother and her confidant. I think the line 'There you go sneering now!' is major evidence to this. The line comes right after the reference to their son and the son's memory, but I think this is Frost trying to deflect the line. She could just as well be sneering at the blatant insult to her mother and her upbringing, and like everywhere else in the poem, her husband just doesn't get it. The poem itself directs your attention away from what truly makes her sneer, and puts the blame instead on the insult to the son's memory--because this is what HE believes made her sneer. Again, he just isn't able to connect to the mother-daughter bond. And being his mother-in-law, why should anything prevent him from making a scene? After all, it's in the family. There's no public airing of dirty laundry per se, but at the same time I'm sure he doesn't want his mother-in-law knowing they're having problems between them. It's not exactly something one wants to admit to the in-laws. Reading back on this, I notice it's my standard poorly-explained gibberish. I can clarify if needed, but I think I've run on long enough. -donna On 2/2/06, opus40-01 at opus40.org < opus40-01 at opus40.org> wrote: I think there really is a third character in the poem -- he tells her earlier in the poem not to take it to someone else this time, which suggests that she has done that. And I don't see any strong indication that he cares what the neighbors will think. He's not afraid to make a public scene if he has to -- following her and bringing her back by force. Besides, she's going out as this other person comes up. Maybe going out to meet the other person -- her ride away from the farm? So it could be as simple as a cab driver. Since she says no man can understand what she's going through, possibly a woman friend, who will offer her sisterhood and feminist consolation, which will be illusory, since no one -- woman or man -- can really go with her where she's going, which is beyond the lip of the grave. Or a preacher, who will offer her spiritual consolation, which will be illusory. Or...unlikely but possible, a lover, who will offer her sexual consolation, which will be illusory. Or a spiritualist, who will offer her actual communication with the dead child, which will be a fraud. Even the cab driver would be offering her an illusory escape, since she can't ever really leave the landing and the window. On Wed Feb 1 21:21 , David Graham sent: Home Burial on 2/1/06 2:46 PM, opus40-01 at opus40.org at opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: Who's coming down the road at the end? _______________________________________________ Don't know. You got a theory? I've always simply taken it to mean that the husband is concerned (rather inappropriately, given the circumstances) at what the neighbors will think. And that's part of what drives Amy to flee--realizing that, despite what she's just said to her husband, he still doesn't get it. Nor does she get *him*, of course. . . . So in my reading it doesn't matter who's coming--just that the husband can't resist urging his wife to come back inside, in order not to expose their dirty linen, etc. My reading is essentially the same as Randall Jarrell's, in his phenomenal essay on this poem. 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Far afield, we have chanted the Moon?s name, held in abeyance by long-time donors. Silent voices?alive and well, after all is said and done. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Feb 2 21:18:50 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:18:50 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Home Burial reburied In-Reply-To: <00cf01c6285c$eca64620$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Message-ID: on 2/2/06 6:58 PM, TheOldMole at tad at opus40.org wrote: I have no problem with defending the husband -- one of the brilliant things about this poem is that Frost totally does not take sides. Still, if it's Mom, there's some hope for her in working through this. She will be talking to someone who's been there. There's gotta be a little plot where her people are buried, too, and some little mounds in it. ------------------------------ Fascinating discussion, though I haven't altered my original opinion that it doesn't matter who's coming down the road--that that's a deliberately glancing detail intended to reveal something about both husband's and wife's attitudes and understanding. In fact, I would tend to argue--against the notion that it "could be" a lover or Amy's mother or whatever--that there's probably a *reason* Frost left that dramatic detail unexplored. And, in any case, there's very little evidence within the body of the poem to hang any such theory on. In any case, I would highly recommend a look at Randall Jarrell's amazing essay on this poem--probably the best close reading I've ever seen--which as it happens is represented with an exceptionally generous excerpt at this site: http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/a_f/frost/burial.htm Look at the end of the Jarrell excerpt for his interpretation of the poem's ending, which, aside from its inherent brilliance, *just happens* to agree with mine. Also, there are excerpts on the same page from Richard Poirier and others. Well worth pondering. Here's a possibly provocative opinion: I think "Home Burial" is a greater poem than "The Waste Land" and "The Bridge" combined. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Thu Feb 2 22:31:30 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:31:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Home Burial reburied References: Message-ID: <019501c62872$52bc4210$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Home Burial reburiedWell, I wouldn't make any specific comparisons, but I can't think of a poem in the American canon I'd say is better than "Home Burial." It is good. That site is always a terrific source for critical readings. But I'm not entirely comfortable with it...it leans too much toward the side of making him the villain of the piece, and I believe that there is no villain of the piece -- especially in the light of Donna's insight that this farm couple is probably young -- and that he, hardly more than a boy himself, is responsible for this family, and on his own. It's pretty clear that all his people are in that little plot, and his parents can't be all that long dead. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Graham To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Home Burial reburied on 2/2/06 6:58 PM, TheOldMole at tad at opus40.org wrote: I have no problem with defending the husband -- one of the brilliant things about this poem is that Frost totally does not take sides. Still, if it's Mom, there's some hope for her in working through this. She will be talking to someone who's been there. There's gotta be a little plot where her people are buried, too, and some little mounds in it. ------------------------------ Fascinating discussion, though I haven't altered my original opinion that it doesn't matter who's coming down the road--that that's a deliberately glancing detail intended to reveal something about both husband's and wife's attitudes and understanding. In fact, I would tend to argue--against the notion that it "could be" a lover or Amy's mother or whatever--that there's probably a *reason* Frost left that dramatic detail unexplored. And, in any case, there's very little evidence within the body of the poem to hang any such theory on. In any case, I would highly recommend a look at Randall Jarrell's amazing essay on this poem--probably the best close reading I've ever seen--which as it happens is represented with an exceptionally generous excerpt at this site: http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/a_f/frost/burial.htm Look at the end of the Jarrell excerpt for his interpretation of the poem's ending, which, aside from its inherent brilliance, *just happens* to agree with mine. Also, there are excerpts on the same page from Richard Poirier and others. Well worth pondering. Here's a possibly provocative opinion: I think "Home Burial" is a greater poem than "The Waste Land" and "The Bridge" combined. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Fri Feb 3 10:11:15 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:11:15 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Abbie Huston Evans Message-ID: I've been re-reading the only book by Evans that I have--long out of print. Wondering if there are other AHE fans out there. . . . Pebbles From Sister Island Eight miles off shore, Worn down to velvet by the thumb and finger Of the sea incessant-shaping, tight-grained, polished, Foreign to granite (these are granite's grinders), Powdered with salt they lie up. The steep beach Is strange with jasper and outlandish stone Dim-colored, brown-flecked, olive, chiefly black, Most like old pagan basalt from the depths Bared when the moon tore free. The night Columbus talked with Isabella These rocks were slatting on the coast of Maine. When Rome fell, and Atlantis, they were here. They rode the glacier down from Canada, Maybe, in state; and dropped in the sack of the sea. To-fro, to-fro, interminably washing, Hurled and haled back with screeching from the shore, To-fro, to-fro, they carved the great pink-granite Platform of the island into hollows Till it stands up from the glass floor of the sea Like something out of Dali. On the foot rule of time scaled to the vast they are new, But their newness is nothing to mine; I tremble before Their hoary generation. None the less Let me hold them in my hand a moment, sense Duration, through delight of touch approve The buffing of the lapidary sea, Darkly partake of the being of first rock. ---Abbie Huston Evans. Fact of Crystal, 1961. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Elbe - Dresden is known as the Florence of the Elbe - is a big river with many pleasure and steam boats for tours and river journeys. It is bigger than the Spree (Berlin) or the Isar (M?enchen). It was very surprising (to the Nazi heirarchy) that Dresden was firebombed because it is obviously a cultural and governmental centre and the only motive must have been revenge and you can see that when you come here. That is why the destruction of Dresden is shocking. Firebombing is a very cruel form of aerial attack designed to kill and immolate civilians. After 2 waves of incendiaries are dropped a further wave is dropped 15 minutes later in order to catch fire brigades that have now come into the open to put out the fires. The Zwinger galley is full of great masterpieces but it is rather like galleries in M?nchen, Berlin or London only not really as good. Outside the centre the effect is v dismal. There are always some old boys out with their red flags but that group of people, disenfranchised by the Wende (about 20% lost their jobs after the Wende) will be dead in 20 or so years. My student told me this and seemed relieved that they would be gone soon, but I don?t think their departure will bring to an end the problems of Capitalism. Its good to realise this and be responsible, not just hope that those old goats who still hope for the return of Communism will soon pop their clogs and leave everyone else to get on with having fun. That?s not the way reality functions. Capitalism, or some form of autocratic rule in Russia with vestiges of Capitalist development, couldn?t cope in the first place which is why so-called Communism evolved and it will undoubtedly by unable to cope again. The reason for this is that Capitalism needs infinite resources to succeed and this isnt the case (unless we can get out into space and begin to mine other planets or stars. Then there will be more or less infinite resources, but this is v speculative.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Fri Feb 3 10:16:20 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:16:20 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Abbie Huston Evans Message-ID: <260.6349b1e.3114cdc4@cs.com> I do see that she's well represented in the Library of American anthology. Very interesting poems. She lived to be 102. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Fri Feb 3 12:30:59 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:30:59 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Abbie Huston Evans References: <260.6349b1e.3114cdc4@cs.com> Message-ID: <005301c628e7$98f3d1b0$968d3052@ANNY> 102! That is a good age... Martian landscape I think of the Martian landscape late delivered To the eye of man by digits of a code Reporting shades of grayness, darker, lighter, In dull procession, in the end disclosing To the rapt eye of the unimagined craters. -And I see a poem, word by word assembled In markings down a page flash into code, And bring in sightings of another landscape No eye has seen before. Abbie Huston Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Abbie Huston Evans I do see that she's well represented in the Library of American anthology. Very interesting poems. 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I'm working right now on Langston Hughes' poem "Cubes" (1934) which ends with the word "disease" spelled in a vertical curving column, one letter per line: d i s e a s e I'm trying to figure out who used this strategy in English before Hughes did--is there anyone besides cummings? I've read the helpful "Carmina Figurata" essay in Exaltation of Forms, and that suggests to me that Apollinaire may have been an influence, not least because "Cubes" alludes to Paris and Cubism. I know Marianne Moore uses spacing for a comparable effect at the end of "Bird-Witted" (1936). Modernists use visual design in other ways, but I can't think of much that specifically involves spacing. 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Lewis Carroll wrote some visual poetry--or prose--in which the lines contracted more and more until less than a word in width. No time to research it, but will try to remember to eventually. A few other poets probably had like effects. Apollinaire's poem about rain showing words describing rain (I think) slanting down a page is probably the first such serious modern (Western) poem doing this kind of thing. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Fri Feb 3 17:50:14 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:50:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: type spacing in poetry?--Correction References: <001b01c628f9$033fd300$6600a8c0@Helen> <008d01c62909$88edd410$88b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <00a301c62914$33cf0d90$88b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Cummings, for sure, had effects like Hughes's before 1920 though I can't recall whether he ever wrote specifically "one-letter lines." Lewis Carroll wrote some visual poetry--or prose--in which the lines contracted more and more until less than a word in width. No time to research it, but will try to remember to eventually. A few other poets probably had like effects. Apollinaire's poem about rain showing words describing rain (I think) slanting down a page is probably the first such serious modern (Western) poem doing this kind of thing. --Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Fri Feb 3 14:59:17 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:59:17 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: type spacing in poetry? References: <001b01c628f9$033fd300$6600a8c0@Helen> Message-ID: <003501c62924$da4f7640$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Lewis Carroll, in the poem about Fury and the mouse? ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Ruggieri To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: type spacing in poetry? This sounds like a question for Bob. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lesley Wheeler To: WOM-PO at LISTS.USM.MAINE.EDU Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: type spacing in poetry? I'm working right now on Langston Hughes' poem "Cubes" (1934) which ends with the word "disease" spelled in a vertical curving column, one letter per line: d i s e a s e I'm trying to figure out who used this strategy in English before Hughes did--is there anyone besides cummings? I've read the helpful "Carmina Figurata" essay in Exaltation of Forms, and that suggests to me that Apollinaire may have been an influence, not least because "Cubes" alludes to Paris and Cubism. I know Marianne Moore uses spacing for a comparable effect at the end of "Bird-Witted" (1936). Modernists use visual design in other ways, but I can't think of much that specifically involves spacing. Thanks in advance for anything else you can think of-- Lesley ************************************* Lesley Wheeler Associate Professor of English Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 wheelerlm at wlu.edu (540) 458-8758 ************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. 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URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 08:10:51 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:10:51 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] The Salt River Review, Winter 2005-06 Message-ID: <648208b60602040510s767ed0aay809fdf9693820f70@mail.gmail.com> The Salt River Review, Volume 8, Number 3, Winter 2005 - 2006 is now online. Poetry by: Carlos Reyes, David Graham, Barbara A. Taylor, Melanie McCuin, Janine Kelly, Michael Estabrook, Patty Paine, Laura Jensen,Lynn Strongin, and C. Marc Merrill. Fiction by: Cortney Davis, Raymond Federman, Edward Kelsey Moore, Michael Johnson, and Jay Baruch. http://www.poetserv.org/ From GrahamD at ripon.edu Sat Feb 4 10:55:53 2006 From: GrahamD at ripon.edu (Graham, David) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:55:53 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Abbie Huston Evans References: <260.6349b1e.3114cdc4@cs.com> Message-ID: <30CA3ED510E3BE4C9E3C15ADC8603F69A8D842@URANIUM.ripon.college> Not only did she live to age 102, but she was Edna St. Vincent Millay's Sunday school teacher. How many poets can say that? ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== ________________________________ From: new-poetry-bounces at wiz.cath.vt.edu on behalf of Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sent: Fri 2/3/2006 9:16 AM To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Abbie Huston Evans I do see that she's well represented in the Library of American anthology. Very interesting poems. She lived to be 102. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"Between the manifold splendors of anger, I watch a door slam like the corsage of a flower or the erasers of schoolchildren." --Andre Breton Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Feb 4 12:13:13 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:13:13 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Abbie Huston Evans References: <260.6349b1e.3114cdc4@cs.com><30CA3ED510E3BE4C9E3C15ADC8603F69A8D842@URANIUM.ripon.college> <9884199B-B399-4DB3-883A-042657E22CEB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011a01c629ae$47ff9ba0$342ab750@ANNY> :-) (-: :-) etc.etc. From: "Halvard Johnson" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 5:00 PM > > On Feb 4, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Graham, David wrote: > >> Not only did she live to age 102, but she was Edna St. Vincent >> Millay's Sunday school teacher. >> >> How many poets can say that? > > I can say that. She was Edna St. Vincent Millay's Sunday school teacher. > > See? > > How many others? > > "Between the manifold splendors of anger, I > watch a door slam like the corsage of a flower > or the erasers of schoolchildren." > --Andre Breton > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard at earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > From JforJames at aol.com Sat Feb 4 15:46:12 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:46:12 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] cutthroat magazine Message-ID: <20f.11eeabf1.31166c94@aol.com> _http://www.cutthroatmag.com/_ (http://www.cutthroatmag.com/) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To paraphrase Robert Graves (I think), should one have a "prose poem shaped idea" for a prose poem to succeed? (Was it Robert Graves who said something about a "sonnet sized" idea?) 2. Is prose poetry a form like a sonnet is a form? Or is it a mode, like the elegy? 3. Should a prose poem retain what might be termed "musicality" if not meter if not rhyme in order to remain poetry? I'm thinking here that if all that sets a prose poem apart from other types of poetry is a lack of line breaks, then what is prose poetry? Why write it? What aesthetic function does it serve? (I mean, aside from breaking rules and/or tradition and/or decorum?) For example, I think of a sonnet a little argument. I think of someone like Theodore Enslin with his "symphonic poems" (my term) which use language the way a composer uses music (a whole 'nother thread, I realize). I guess my question is what "idea" if any does a prose poem inherently carry? I realize these a big questions. I'm in the middle of revising a sequence of prose poems. But in my revision, it struck me that I could make use of the white space on the page if I broke the poems into line lengths. That worked for a while. But, oddly enough, there were some poems that "felt like" prose poems. They just seemed to want to stay as paragraphs. I don't know why--I'm still trying to figure this out. I think it may have something to do with the way that they look on the page and the discursive/philosophic nature of the poetry. Thoughts? Ideas? And most importantly: reading suggestions? Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't mean this fatuously. I think that this may be akin to asking "What is poetry?" But, is prose poetry a separate type of poem--is it a form? It seems to me that prose poetry must be somehow differenty from lineated poetry. Otherwise, it's merely a paragraph of prose. I'm writing this off the cuff, so I'm going to throw out a few ideas as they come to mind: 1. Doesn't the existence of prose poetry suggest that somehow form is preceded by content? Or is it vice versa? To paraphrase Robert Graves (I think), should one have a "prose poem shaped idea" for a prose poem to succeed? (Was it Robert Graves who said something about a "sonnet sized" idea?) 2. Is prose poetry a form like a sonnet is a form? Or is it a mode, like the elegy? 3. Should a prose poem retain what might be termed "musicality" if not meter if not rhyme in order to remain poetry? I'm thinking here that if all that sets a prose poem apart from other types of poetry is a lack of line breaks, then what is prose poetry? Why write it? What aesthetic function does it serve? (I mean, aside from breaking rules and/or tradition and/or decorum?) For example, I think of a sonnet a little argument. I think of someone like Theodore Enslin with his "symphonic poems" (my term) which use language the way a composer uses music (a whole 'nother thread, I realize). I guess my question is what "idea" if any does a prose poem inherently carry? I realize these a big questions. I'm in the middle of revising a sequence of prose poems. But in my revision, it struck me that I could make use of the white space on the page if I broke the poems into line lengths. That worked for a while. But, oddly enough, there were some poems that "felt like" prose poems. They just seemed to want to stay as paragraphs. I don't know why--I'm still trying to figure this out. I think it may have something to do with the way that they look on the page and the discursive/philosophic nature of the poetry. Thoughts? Ideas? And most importantly: reading suggestions? Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Feb 5 07:53:10 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:53:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry References: <731bb17a0602041908l5bdcaf64rdbace473f5c76e06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701c62a53$24367a40$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Prose poems are directly north-south of prose, and south-north of poetry. Unless one cares about the meaning of words. In that case, they are little prose pieces their makers want to be called poets for producing. They generally share one thing with poetry, an intent to evoke emotions to a greater extent than conventional prose usually does. For that reason, I call them "evocature," which you can take as a third variety of writing, with poetry and prose, or as a subclass of prose. --Bob G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Feb 5 08:15:23 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:15:23 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry References: <731bb17a0602041908l5bdcaf64rdbace473f5c76e06@mail.gmail.com> <002701c62a53$24367a40$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <00a301c62a56$3959ac50$22ee3652@ANNY> If I agreed or didn't agree with you I should take for granted that poetry is a series of lines preferably broken often obscure and hermetic evoking intense emotions don't you think so? Isn't poetry aming to poetry/prose, a more self-explicating form? Something like a widening for prose and poetry, as I understand from your north-south and south-north, because as a matter of fact it contains them both. (why not east-west?) Maybe a prose-poem is such because it needs a broader setting (giving for granted one does not want to write an Odyssey) for its crescendo or diminuendo or nothingness or any inherent quality/quantity of motions to be described or taken away from the context to be shown. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Prose poems are directly north-south of prose, and south-north of poetry. Unless one cares about the meaning of words. In that case, they are little prose pieces their makers want to be called poets for producing. They generally share one thing with poetry, an intent to evoke emotions to a greater extent than conventional prose usually does. For that reason, I call them "evocature," which you can take as a third variety of writing, with poetry and prose, or as a subclass of prose. --Bob G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cstroffo at earthlink.net Sun Feb 5 11:05:38 2006 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino ) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:05:38 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Message-ID: <200602051539.k15Fddgf081066@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> Bob---I like the word "evocature" and could agree with the third class of writing (more than the "subclass" of writing)---but, as for this statement share one thing with poetry, an intent to evoke emotions to a greater extent than conventional prose usually does isn't it also possible that the word "thought" could be substituted for "emotions" (as a supplement, not a replacement) and your statement would be even truer? Okay, I won't quibble they're east-west of poetry and west-east of prose C ---------- From: "Bob Grumman" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Date: Sun, Feb 5, 2006, 4:53 AM Prose poems are directly north-south of prose, and south-north of poetry. Unless one cares about the meaning of words. In that case, they are little prose pieces their makers want to be called poets for producing. They generally share one thing with poetry, an intent to evoke emotions to a greater extent than conventional prose usually does. For that reason, I call them "evocature," which you can take as a third variety of writing, with poetry and prose, or as a subclass of prose. --Bob G. _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 11:25:26 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:25:26 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Major change in copyright law coming In-Reply-To: <20060202121927.45232.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060202121927.45232.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <648208b60602050825i13d98c4cx605caa14cb7fb218@mail.gmail.com> Wonder if the legal beagles would consider this poem by C Marc Merrill to be infringement: http://www.poetserv.org/SRR24/merrill.html Seems to me his use of the copyright and registration symbols exempt him. and, by the way, this post is NOT an ad. - Jim On 2/2/06, Ron Silliman wrote: > This comes from StockPhotographer.Info, about a bill that could make > many works of art infringements on trademarks. > > > Important New Legislation Proposal > Written by Edward Greenberg > Wednesday, 25 January 2006 > A few weeks ago I referenced a proposed new Trademark law formally > entitled "HR 683 - the Trademark Dilution Revision Act". It passed in > the House of Representatives and is under consideration by the > Judiciary Committee. > > Now stay with me, don't get bored. This is important. > > The Act contains certain anti-speech aspects which will directly > affect illustrators, photographers and others. > > It will serve to eliminate the current protection for non-commercial > speech currently contained in the Lanham Act. It will prevent > businesses (artists)and consumers from invoking famous trademarks to > explain or illustrate their discussion of public issues. > > For example, using the phrase "Where's the Beef" could be actionable. > Although you might use it in a non-commercial way, the (very) famous > Wendy's slogan when used to comment might not be protected by the > fair use exception. > > The Act would give companies considerable leverage in preventing > artists and photographers from employing their marks in images by > claiming the mark is being "diluted". The bigger the company, the > more famous the trademark, the easier it will be to prevent you guys > from using it. National companies with highly recognizable marks > would have more leverage than any single creator or small business > and would easily outspend any of you to prevent your using their > mark. > > Exceptions for fair use, non-commercial use, reportage, commentary, > etc. currently existing could disappear and would be no defense to > claims of infringement of a registered or unregistered mark. Trade > dress is often unregistered. > > To see how this new legislation might operate, go to > www.dsart.com/Gallery/VW_bug.htm. That illustration was created by > Donald Stewart in 1992. Mr. Stewart has displayed the work to > students in classes and used it as a teaching tool. The image has > also been sold. > > VW of America has threatened Mr. Stewart with litigation in > anticipation of the new law. The Volkswagen Beetle is composed of > bugs. > The illustration does not disparage VW in any way. It is lighthearted > and whimsical. It clearly posts the VW marks. > > I dare say most if not all of you, have created works which like Mr. > Stewart's, are not disparaging and employ some recognizable mark > somewhere in your image. A photo using a Hummer for example, to > comment on the proliferation of gas guzzling SUVs could give > GM/Hummer cause to prevent the publication of your image. Incidental, > background use of a recognizable mark like a Coke can for example, > could easily result in your prompt receipt of a lawyer's letter from > a really big law firm representing a really, really big corporation. > > As written, strong cases have/could be made against candidates who > have used popular marks to comment on their opponents. This is not a > right wing/left wing thing. It is a free speech, little guy against > big guy thing. Your artistic freedom is at risk. > > I urge all of you to write to Senator Arlen Specter, Chairman of the > Senate Judiciary Committee, 711 Hart Building, Washington, DC 20510 > to voice your opposition to this bill. > > Mr. Stewart is ably represented by Paul Alan Levy, Esq. who is with > Public Citizen Litigation Group, 1600-20th Street, NW Washington DC > 20009 www.citizen.org/litigation. He has taken an active role in > fighting this proposed legislation and deserves your vocal and > written support. > > This is your livelihood we are talking about here. Don't bitch about > corporate coercion, do something about it. Send a letter or better, > send a photograph accompanied by a short note to make your point. You > guys get paid to create images to sell products and ideas get > people's attention. Get Senator Specter's attention and write to your > own Senator as well. The bad guys are betting heavy on your well > earned reputation for apathy. > > > > Edward C. Greenberg > Erica Galinski > Greenberg & Reicher, LLP > 50 East 42nd St. 17th floor > New York, NY 10017 > 212.697.8777 > ecglaw at aol.com > > > Last Updated ( Wednesday, 25 January 2006 ) > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From grahamd at ripon.edu Sun Feb 5 12:12:19 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:12:19 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Prose Poetry In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0602041908l5bdcaf64rdbace473f5c76e06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There's a pretty vast critical literature on prose poetry by now. More to the point, from my vantage, there's a vast body of stuff that goes by that label. I think that David Lehman's recent anthology, *Great American Prose Poems*, might be a good place to start pondering such basic questions, via its variety of excellent example and solid introduction. Too bad that Michael Benedickt's anthology, *The Prose Poem*, has been out of print for a long while. Well worth hunting up in libraries or used bookshops. As for definitions, I've never seen one that seemed to hold up for very long. The label itself seems silly enough, like "the variable foot," but good work has been written under it, which is ultimately all that matters. Whenever this subject comes up, I generally put in my vote for Borges's term, "fictions," as covering the category to my satisfaction. But I'm always outvoted: the prose poem as a term just won't go away. Two current poets I like who specialize in the form are Mary Koncel and Louis Jenkins. Bless This Night It's almost like heaven out here. Ten miles of angel-pin turns, glittering blacktop, then a pair of straight yellow lines leading to sweet soul of opossum, twin spirits of skunks. Driving home, I think about Saint Francis, imagine him wandering through the woods, a flock of swallows buzzing his left eardrum, a raccoon or two draped over his shoulders like a favorite cardigan. A tall, awkward man, he had hands with white palms and strong straight fingers. Out here, under these brooding stars and stark moon, animals are just as abundant. Cut loose from fur and body, they languish along the road: rabbits begin to hurry but stop in mid-air, a fox sniffs its blood, surprised by its cold, exquisite beauty, while tree frogs swallow deep, vaguely tasting the last sounds in their throats. "Keep still," Saint Francis would warn if he walked among these animals. "Keep still." One hand pressed against his lips, the other held in blessing, he would stop at each one that raised its head and wanted more. I could stop. I could stop, drop to my knees, and hold out my hands like Saint Francis, tell these animals that they have been good, good and wild. It's time to surrender their hearts to me, their long and mournful howls, their hunger. Bless this night, bless this road and all that makes it heaven. Mary A. Koncel You Can Tell the Horse Anything. Tupelo Press --------------------------------------------------------------------- A Place for Everything It's so easy to lose track of things. A screwdriver, for instance. "Where did I put that? I had it in my hand just a minute ago." You wander vaguely from room to room, having forgotten, by now, what you were looking for, staring into the refrigerator, the bathroom mirror . . . "I really could use a shave. . . ." Some objects seem to disappear immediately while others never want to leave. Here is a small black plastic gizmo with a serious demeanor that turns up regularly, like a politician at public functions. It seems to be an "intregal part," a kind of switch with screw holes so that it can be attached to something larger. Nobody knows what. This thing's use has been forgotten but it looks so important that no one is willing to throw it in the trash. It survives by bluff, like certain insects that escape being eaten because of their formidible appearance. My father owned a large, three-bladed, brass propeller that he saved for years. Its worth was obvious, it was just that it lacked an immediate application since we didn't own a boat and lived hundreds of miles from any large bodies ofwater. The propeller survived all purges and cleanings, living, like royalty, a life of lonely privilege, mounted high on the garage wall. --Louis Jenkins. Just Above Water. Holy Cow! Press, 1997. ========================================================== on 2/4/06 9:08 PM, Jeff Newberry at jeff.newberry at gmail.com wrote: Here's a question that I've been chewing on for a while, something that's got my mind twisted back in on itself, like the curl inside a wave. What precisely is prose poetry? I don't mean this fatuously. I think that this may be akin to asking "What is poetry?" But, is prose poetry a separate type of poem--is it a form? It seems to me that prose poetry must be somehow differenty from lineated poetry. Otherwise, it's merely a paragraph of prose. I'm writing this off the cuff, so I'm going to throw out a few ideas as they come to mind: 1. Doesn't the existence of prose poetry suggest that somehow form is preceded by content? Or is it vice versa? To paraphrase Robert Graves (I think), should one have a "prose poem shaped idea" for a prose poem to succeed? (Was it Robert Graves who said something about a "sonnet sized" idea?) 2. Is prose poetry a form like a sonnet is a form? Or is it a mode, like the elegy? 3. Should a prose poem retain what might be termed "musicality" if not meter if not rhyme in order to remain poetry? I'm thinking here that if all that sets a prose poem apart from other types of poetry is a lack of line breaks, then what is prose poetry? Why write it? What aesthetic function does it serve? (I mean, aside from breaking rules and/or tradition and/or decorum?) For example, I think of a sonnet a little argument. I think of someone like Theodore Enslin with his "symphonic poems" (my term) which use language the way a composer uses music (a whole 'nother thread, I realize). I guess my question is what "idea" if any does a prose poem inherently carry? I realize these a big questions. I'm in the middle of revising a sequence of prose poems. But in my revision, it struck me that I could make use of the white space on the page if I broke the poems into line lengths. That worked for a while. But, oddly enough, there were some poems that "felt like" prose poems. They just seemed to want to stay as paragraphs. I don't know why--I'm still trying to figure this out. I think it may have something to do with the way that they look on the page and the discursive/philosophic nature of the poetry. Thoughts? Ideas? And most importantly: reading suggestions? Jeff Newberry ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Feb 5 12:19:23 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:19:23 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry References: <200602051539.k15Fddgf081066@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <005d01c62a78$515058a0$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Re: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Bob---I like the word "evocature" and could agree with the third class of writing (more than the "subclass" of writing)---but, as for this statement share one thing with poetry, an intent to evoke emotions to a greater extent than conventional prose usually does isn't it also possible that the word "thought" could be substituted for "emotions" (as a supplement, not a replacement) and your statement would be even truer? I'll have to think about that, Chris. My impression from the prose poetry I've read is that it goes for a feeling of place or time or object. What's important in my definition of it, though, is that it evokes SOMEthing. So I have nothing against having thought one think it can evoke. I just can't think of an example of a prose poem that evoked thoughts that weren't emotional. Now you have me thinking of Zen koans. Are they prose poems? To me, they do evoke thought--and any emotion they can be said to evoke would seem to me to be intellectual emotion, if there is such a thing, Hmm, now that I getting into this, I remember that my own theory of psychology holds that everything we hold in our minds has an emotional value--though that might be zero. What I mean above by emotion, then, is sensual emotion, or image-based emotion, versus idea-based emotion. Bottom line: phooey on prose poetry. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Feb 5 14:00:14 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:00:14 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry References: <731bb17a0602041908l5bdcaf64rdbace473f5c76e06@mail.gmail.com><002701c62a53$24367a40$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <00a301c62a56$3959ac50$22ee3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <008201c62a86$66744d00$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> If I agreed or didn't agree with you I should take for granted that poetry is a series of lines preferably broken often obscure and hermetic evoking intense emotions don't you think so? I mostly agree, though some visual poetry isn't really composed in lines. Isn't poetry aming to poetry/prose, a more self-explicating form? Something like a widening for prose and poetry, as I understand from your north-south and south-north, because as a matter of fact it contains them both. (why not east-west?) I see I should have said prose poetry is a single location exactly one mile north-south of prose and one mile south-north of poetry. East-west and west-east would work as well. Maybe a prose-poem is such because it needs a broader setting (giving for granted one does not want to write an Odyssey) for its crescendo or diminuendo or nothingness or any inherent quality/quantity of motions to be described or taken away from the context to be shown. For me, it's just descriptive prose someone doesn't think "prose" is a grand enough term for. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wwmorgan at ilstu.edu Sun Feb 5 14:14:36 2006 From: wwmorgan at ilstu.edu (Bill Morgan) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:14:36 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry In-Reply-To: <005d01c62a78$515058a0$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <200602051539.k15Fddgf081066@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> <005d01c62a78$515058a0$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.2.20060205124823.03785880@mail.ilstu.edu> I don't know if I'll have the stamina to stay with this discussion if it goes on for a while or gets either heated or complicated, but here's my small contribution: when I'm writing what I intend to present as a prose poem, I think of myself as using all the resources of language at my disposal in writing any poem except the line understood as an auditory unit. So I am as alive to rhythm, figure, allusion, etc. as I would be in any act of poetic composition. In other words, I define the technique by what it excludes--i.e., auditory lineation. I first wrote out one short series of my prose poems as blank-verse sonnets so as to keep myself feeling the language rhythmically (though I paid little attention to line-breaks); then of course I shaped them as blocks of prose. And here's another question that I don't think Jeff's thoughtful query touched on: isn't there often something typographical/visual about the prose poem as well? I'm thinking of the fact that so many prose poems are double-justified and look (and feel) like little blocks of text (from which there is no escape until the end?) In other words, don't writers of prose poems, even though they forego the line-break and its auditory effects, often want to control the movement of the eye at the end of a line of prose? I know I do. I've asked editors to preserve the shape I've given the poem by the visual line breaks. Of course I recognize that many writers of prose poems do not use the double-justified scheme and don't seem as concerned as I am with the shape/appearance of their work on the page. Bill Morgan P.S. I tried to paste in one of mine as an example, but I couldn't figure out how to preserve the formatting. If you're curious, contact me off-list, and I'll send you a sample poem as an attachment. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sun Feb 5 14:17:39 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:17:39 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] The Toilet Bowl Message-ID: <12b.6d8ec363.3117a953@aol.com> The Toilet Bowl No All-American ever came out of this neighborhood. The teams get divided evenly, guys with good-sized guts have to play the line and the wiry ones are the backs and ends. One of the wives gets picked, too, as Queen of the Toilet Bowl. She sits in a lawn chair in the bed of a pickup. An airfilter adorned with a few sprigs of holly upon her head, and her holy scepter is, of course, a toilet bowl brush. The kick-off shanked, a fumble, shoulders against thighs. Then it?s Hut-hut and Holy Christ. Shit, you bastard, falling and getting up, Goddamnit, a nose bleeds into a mustache, brown splotches on a torn sweatshirt, grass-stained jeans, a missed lateral and strained ligaments. We hunker down into the turf, fingernails in the dirt, to hold the line against the indignities that pile up, layoffs and lousy work, this time we?ll make fourth & short matter. A little guy breaks free, scampers around end. Makes a cut that nobody else?s knees could take. Downfield, past the last defender who slips, falls back on his ass. He?s wide open now, looking up for the miraculous pass, wobbling through late autumn air, the ball defying all laws of aerodynamics. A basket catch, a bobble, but he holds on. Held dear for all the Hail Mary dreams we let slip away for lack of will or money, or whatever counts as bad luck. No whistle blows to end the game. Too many hurt, a fight almost breaks out, so we just drift off to the sidelines till there are too few left to play. The men and women gather around a picnic table and a keg, children dartle among their legs. A great undulant huddle, lightheaded and sweaty, back-patting, laughter and the smell of ointment, a broken play retraced by taped-together fingers in the air. There is always enough glory to go around. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 14:35:52 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:35:52 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.2.20060205124823.03785880@mail.ilstu.edu> References: <200602051539.k15Fddgf081066@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> <005d01c62a78$515058a0$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <6.0.2.0.2.20060205124823.03785880@mail.ilstu.edu> Message-ID: <731bb17a0602051135g56a3dbaaxa0c890fbaeba8394@mail.gmail.com> Bill, Good point re the double-justified line. In the series I've recently completed, I use double-justified lines. If I remember correctly, while I was drafting the poems, I wanted to use a long line, like C.K. Williams or Whitman perhaps. I'd fallen into a rough 6-beat line that I picked up from Levine, I think. Either way, as I wrote the poems, I used what I think of as all the resources of poetic language--just as you mentioned. But in the end, as I looked at the poems, I started experimenting with breaking them into line lengths, but I just couldn't find something with which I was comfortable. After I a small part of the overall sequence to an editor, he emailed me, wondering about the line breaks. At that time, I'd just about decided to double-justify the lines, anyway. So, the point of my story? I guess I stumbled upon the prose poem, although in my case, reading what I've just written, I don't know that I've written prose poetry at all. I liked the way the double justifed line looked. So, in a way, I made the same decision that I always make when I break lines: is it aesthetically pleasing? To me, yes. Does the line break carry some of the poem's meaning? In my case, I *think* so. David, thanks for the Lehman tip. I've heard of the book but no read it. I suppose I'm trying to get at a definition of prose poetry, which now that I write that out seems like a rather silly affair. I've been reading Wallace Fowlie's translation of Rimbaud's *Illuminations*. I'm not certain what I think of these yet. I've read them before; but reading them now, I am consciously thinking of the prose poem form. I'll try to post something after I've decided how I understand these poems. I also have Russell Edson's *The Tunnel* on my nightstand. The critical volume I'm reading is Michael Deville's *The American Prose Poem: Poetic Form and the Boundaries of Genre*. Deville argues, among other things: "Given the prose poem's self-proclaiming status as a 'boundary genre' par exellence, the impulse to set limits or decide on a number of defining 'traits' that have characterized it throughout the twentieth century appears highly problematic" (241). This, of course, after 240 pages of discussion aimed at that very goal. Thanks for the feedback. Jeff Newberry On 2/5/06, Bill Morgan wrote: > > And here's another question that I don't think Jeff's thoughtful > query touched on: isn't there often something typographical/visual about the > prose poem as well? I'm thinking of the fact that so many prose poems are > double-justified and look (and feel) like little blocks of text (from which > there is no escape until the end?) In other words, don't writers of prose > poems, even though they forego the line-break and its auditory effects, > often want to control the movement of the *eye* at the end of a line of > prose? I know I do. I've asked editors to preserve the shape I've given > the poem by the *visual* line breaks. > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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OK, he said, he said I take that to mean you are hungry men who hate to lose as much as I do. OK. Then he made two lines of us facing each other, and across the way, he said, is the man you hate most in the world, and if we are to win that title I want to see how. But I don't want to see any marks, when you're dressed, he said. He said, *Now*. *Blue like the Heavens: New and Selected Poems*, U of Pittsburgh P, 1984 -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Sun Feb 5 15:55:30 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:55:30 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0602051135g56a3dbaaxa0c890fbaeba8394@mail.gmail.com> References: <200602051539.k15Fddgf081066@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> <005d01c62a78$515058a0$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <6.0.2.0.2.20060205124823.03785880@mail.ilstu.edu> <731bb17a0602051135g56a3dbaaxa0c890fbaeba8394@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <694ACEE0-DE2D-479B-9F18-14DF905C086A@earthlink.net> Jeff-- You might also dig up the three issues (so far) of Sentence, done by Brian Clements at Firewheel Editions (www.firewheel- editions.org), which pretty much takes up where Peter Johnson's The Prose Poem: An International Journal (now defunct) left off. Hal On Feb 5, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Bill, > > Good point re the double-justified line. > > In the series I've recently completed, I use double-justified > lines. If I remember correctly, while I was drafting the poems, I > wanted to use a long line, like C.K. Williams or Whitman perhaps. > I'd fallen into a rough 6-beat line that I picked up from Levine, I > think. Either way, as I wrote the poems, I used what I think of as > all the resources of poetic language--just as you mentioned. But > in the end, as I looked at the poems, I started experimenting with > breaking them into line lengths, but I just couldn't find something > with which I was comfortable. After I a small part of the overall > sequence to an editor, he emailed me, wondering about the line > breaks. At that time, I'd just about decided to double-justify the > lines, anyway. > > So, the point of my story? I guess I stumbled upon the prose poem, > although in my case, reading what I've just written, I don't know > that I've written prose poetry at all. I liked the way the double > justifed line looked. So, in a way, I made the same decision that > I always make when I break lines: is it aesthetically pleasing? > To me, yes. Does the line break carry some of the poem's meaning? > In my case, I *think* so. > > David, thanks for the Lehman tip. I've heard of the book but no > read it. > > I suppose I'm trying to get at a definition of prose poetry, which > now that I write that out seems like a rather silly affair. > > I've been reading Wallace Fowlie's translation of Rimbaud's > Illuminations. I'm not certain what I think of these yet. I've > read them before; but reading them now, I am consciously thinking > of the prose poem form. I'll try to post something after I've > decided how I understand these poems. I also have Russell Edson's > The Tunnel on my nightstand. > > The critical volume I'm reading is Michael Deville's The American > Prose Poem: Poetic Form and the Boundaries of Genre. Deville > argues, among other things: > > "Given the prose poem's self-proclaiming status as a 'boundary > genre' par exellence, the impulse to set limits or decide on a > number of defining 'traits' that have characterized it throughout > the twentieth century appears highly problematic" (241). > > This, of course, after 240 pages of discussion aimed at that very > goal. > > Thanks for the feedback. > > Jeff Newberry > > > On 2/5/06, Bill Morgan wrote: > > > And here's another question that I don't think Jeff's > thoughtful query touched on: isn't there often something > typographical/visual about the prose poem as well? I'm thinking of > the fact that so many prose poems are double-justified and look > (and feel) like little blocks of text (from which there is no > escape until the end?) In other words, don't writers of prose > poems, even though they forego the line-break and its auditory > effects, often want to control the movement of the eye at the end > of a line of prose? I know I do. I've asked editors to preserve > the shape I've given the poem by the visual line breaks. > > > > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry "Disorder is merely the order you are not looking for." --Henri Bergson Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Feb 5 16:27:56 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:27:56 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry References: <731bb17a0602041908l5bdcaf64rdbace473f5c76e06@mail.gmail.com><002701c62a53$24367a40$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><00a301c62a56$3959ac50$22ee3652@ANNY> <008201c62a86$66744d00$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <014e01c62a9b$0881a750$22ee3652@ANNY> Hi Bob, first: my mentioning north and south was not a way of teasing, as probably Chris S. understood, I had your visual mathematiku in my head together with the I Ching and thought that a particular direction was important for or with you as it is in any visual work starting with Kandinsky's rational explanations but that existed way before I didn't mention visual poetry right because the initial question was in between prose and poetry. I don't know if there is any visual prose poetry of any interest beside illustrated stories. ---which I cherish, but do not belong to _new Poetry_ unless you bring them down to a post-modern decadent level I think _prose_ is a positive definition, what I should maybe make clear is that I sometimes have to answer questions, and I do not know what or how I should answer, and one of these specific questions is: "On which basis can you define what is visibly prose a poem?" I think that Bill Morgan gets quite close to it, and I can remember some prose poems with a specific format and sorry I do not have a good Library close to get to David Lehman's recent anthology, *Great American Prose Poems*, or to Michael Benedickt's anthology, *The Prose Poem*, as Graham writes. Care, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Grumman To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry If I agreed or didn't agree with you I should take for granted that poetry is a series of lines preferably broken often obscure and hermetic evoking intense emotions don't you think so? I mostly agree, though some visual poetry isn't really composed in lines. Isn't poetry aming to poetry/prose, a more self-explicating form? Something like a widening for prose and poetry, as I understand from your north-south and south-north, because as a matter of fact it contains them both. (why not east-west?) I see I should have said prose poetry is a single location exactly one mile north-south of prose and one mile south-north of poetry. East-west and west-east would work as well. Maybe a prose-poem is such because it needs a broader setting (giving for granted one does not want to write an Odyssey) for its crescendo or diminuendo or nothingness or any inherent quality/quantity of motions to be described or taken away from the context to be shown. For me, it's just descriptive prose someone doesn't think "prose" is a grand enough term for. --Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Feb 5 16:36:49 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:36:49 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Major change in copyright law coming References: <20060202121927.45232.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <648208b60602050825i13d98c4cx605caa14cb7fb218@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <016a01c62a9c$475ab6f0$22ee3652@ANNY> If I remember right in Less Than Zero there were so many brands mentioned, they might wish to start suing Bret Easton Ellis first, check his page, beautiful background music: http://www.randomhouse.com/kvpa/eastonellis/ I think C Marc Merrill's poem is excellent, and thank you for sending me again to the Salt River Review, I enjoyed many poems there, also David Graham's one, thus it was an advertisement, Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cervantes" To: ; "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Major change in copyright law coming > Wonder if the legal beagles would consider this poem by C Marc Merrill > to be infringement: > > http://www.poetserv.org/SRR24/merrill.html > > Seems to me his use of the copyright and registration symbols exempt him. > > and, by the way, this post is NOT an ad. > > - Jim > > On 2/2/06, Ron Silliman wrote: >> This comes from StockPhotographer.Info, about a bill that could make >> many works of art infringements on trademarks. >> >> >> Important New Legislation Proposal >> Written by Edward Greenberg >> Wednesday, 25 January 2006 >> A few weeks ago I referenced a proposed new Trademark law formally >> entitled "HR 683 - the Trademark Dilution Revision Act". It passed in >> the House of Representatives and is under consideration by the >> Judiciary Committee. >> >> Now stay with me, don't get bored. This is important. >> >> The Act contains certain anti-speech aspects which will directly >> affect illustrators, photographers and others. >> >> It will serve to eliminate the current protection for non-commercial >> speech currently contained in the Lanham Act. It will prevent >> businesses (artists)and consumers from invoking famous trademarks to >> explain or illustrate their discussion of public issues. >> >> For example, using the phrase "Where's the Beef" could be actionable. >> Although you might use it in a non-commercial way, the (very) famous >> Wendy's slogan when used to comment might not be protected by the >> fair use exception. >> >> The Act would give companies considerable leverage in preventing >> artists and photographers from employing their marks in images by >> claiming the mark is being "diluted". The bigger the company, the >> more famous the trademark, the easier it will be to prevent you guys >> from using it. National companies with highly recognizable marks >> would have more leverage than any single creator or small business >> and would easily outspend any of you to prevent your using their >> mark. >> >> Exceptions for fair use, non-commercial use, reportage, commentary, >> etc. currently existing could disappear and would be no defense to >> claims of infringement of a registered or unregistered mark. Trade >> dress is often unregistered. >> >> To see how this new legislation might operate, go to >> www.dsart.com/Gallery/VW_bug.htm. That illustration was created by >> Donald Stewart in 1992. Mr. Stewart has displayed the work to >> students in classes and used it as a teaching tool. The image has >> also been sold. >> >> VW of America has threatened Mr. Stewart with litigation in >> anticipation of the new law. The Volkswagen Beetle is composed of >> bugs. >> The illustration does not disparage VW in any way. It is lighthearted >> and whimsical. It clearly posts the VW marks. >> >> I dare say most if not all of you, have created works which like Mr. >> Stewart's, are not disparaging and employ some recognizable mark >> somewhere in your image. A photo using a Hummer for example, to >> comment on the proliferation of gas guzzling SUVs could give >> GM/Hummer cause to prevent the publication of your image. Incidental, >> background use of a recognizable mark like a Coke can for example, >> could easily result in your prompt receipt of a lawyer's letter from >> a really big law firm representing a really, really big corporation. >> >> As written, strong cases have/could be made against candidates who >> have used popular marks to comment on their opponents. This is not a >> right wing/left wing thing. It is a free speech, little guy against >> big guy thing. Your artistic freedom is at risk. >> >> I urge all of you to write to Senator Arlen Specter, Chairman of the >> Senate Judiciary Committee, 711 Hart Building, Washington, DC 20510 >> to voice your opposition to this bill. >> >> Mr. Stewart is ably represented by Paul Alan Levy, Esq. who is with >> Public Citizen Litigation Group, 1600-20th Street, NW Washington DC >> 20009 www.citizen.org/litigation. He has taken an active role in >> fighting this proposed legislation and deserves your vocal and >> written support. >> >> This is your livelihood we are talking about here. Don't bitch about >> corporate coercion, do something about it. Send a letter or better, >> send a photograph accompanied by a short note to make your point. You >> guys get paid to create images to sell products and ideas get >> people's attention. Get Senator Specter's attention and write to your >> own Senator as well. The bad guys are betting heavy on your well >> earned reputation for apathy. >> >> >> >> Edward C. Greenberg >> Erica Galinski >> Greenberg & Reicher, LLP >> 50 East 42nd St. 17th floor >> New York, NY 10017 >> 212.697.8777 >> ecglaw at aol.com >> >> >> Last Updated ( Wednesday, 25 January 2006 ) >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From cervantes.james at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 16:48:35 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:48:35 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Prose Poetry In-Reply-To: References: <731bb17a0602041908l5bdcaf64rdbace473f5c76e06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60602051348n7192c72age8e0cb9d1a0bf055@mail.gmail.com> Defining by example is good. Here's another Koncel: The Neighborhood Man A dog is rolling in the grass. A man walks by and thinks the dog is drowning. But the man's not sure because he's just a neighbor. The dog is very convicning, turning over and over, its long legs kicking up clumps of grass. The man strips off his suit, drops to his knees, and rolls in after the dog. He hopes the dog can hold on just a while longer. The man is having problems. He's getting very tired, barely able to keep his head above the grass. It's very late. He hopes this will be over soon. But the dog is getting smaller, the grass much deeper. -- Mary Koncel, _Closer To Day_, Quale Press, 1999, & _No Boundaries: Prose Poems by 24 American Poets_, ed. Ray Gonzalez, Tupelo Press, 2003 Close kin to the Russell Edson species of prose poem. - Jim On 2/5/06, David Graham wrote: > There's a pretty vast critical literature on prose poetry by now. More to > the point, from my vantage, there's a vast body of stuff that goes by that > label. I think that David Lehman's recent anthology, *Great American Prose > Poems*, might be a good place to start pondering such basic questions, via > its variety of excellent example and solid introduction. > > Too bad that Michael Benedickt's anthology, *The Prose Poem*, has been out > of print for a long while. Well worth hunting up in libraries or used > bookshops. > > As for definitions, I've never seen one that seemed to hold up for very > long. The label itself seems silly enough, like "the variable foot," but > good work has been written under it, which is ultimately all that matters. > > Whenever this subject comes up, I generally put in my vote for Borges's > term, "fictions," as covering the category to my satisfaction. But I'm > always outvoted: the prose poem as a term just won't go away. > > Two current poets I like who specialize in the form are Mary Koncel and > Louis Jenkins. > From gmguddi at ilstu.edu Sun Feb 5 16:59:20 2006 From: gmguddi at ilstu.edu (Gabriel Gudding) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:59:20 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry In-Reply-To: <648208b60602051348n7192c72age8e0cb9d1a0bf055@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0602041908l5bdcaf64rdbace473f5c76e06@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60602051348n7192c72age8e0cb9d1a0bf055@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E67538.3090106@ilstu.edu> Russell Edson, basically. Same structures: idiolectic use of definitive articles; man/animal intermixing; abridged & nonsensical struggle; surrealist closure. Not sure of Edson ever read Daniil Kharms, but I'd wager he did. Edson took Kharms's structures (especially nonsensical fights, struggles) & added a few nuggets. But this seems basically like wholesale RE. Gabe James Cervantes wrote: > Defining by example is good. Here's another Koncel: > > The Neighborhood Man > > > A dog is rolling in the grass. A man walks by and thinks the dog is > drowning. But the man's not sure because he's just a neighbor. The > dog is very convicning, turning over and over, its long legs kicking > up clumps of grass. The man strips off his suit, drops to his knees, > and rolls in after the dog. He hopes the dog can hold on just a while > longer. > > The man is having problems. He's getting very tired, barely able to > keep his head above the grass. It's very late. He hopes this will be > over soon. But the dog is getting smaller, the grass much deeper. > > -- Mary Koncel, _Closer To Day_, Quale Press, 1999, & _No Boundaries: > Prose Poems by 24 American Poets_, ed. Ray Gonzalez, Tupelo > Press, 2003 > > Close kin to the Russell Edson species of prose poem. > > - Jim > > On 2/5/06, David Graham wrote: >> There's a pretty vast critical literature on prose poetry by now. More to >> the point, from my vantage, there's a vast body of stuff that goes by that >> label. I think that David Lehman's recent anthology, *Great American Prose >> Poems*, might be a good place to start pondering such basic questions, via >> its variety of excellent example and solid introduction. >> >> Too bad that Michael Benedickt's anthology, *The Prose Poem*, has been out >> of print for a long while. Well worth hunting up in libraries or used >> bookshops. >> >> As for definitions, I've never seen one that seemed to hold up for very >> long. The label itself seems silly enough, like "the variable foot," but >> good work has been written under it, which is ultimately all that matters. >> >> Whenever this subject comes up, I generally put in my vote for Borges's >> term, "fictions," as covering the category to my satisfaction. But I'm >> always outvoted: the prose poem as a term just won't go away. >> >> Two current poets I like who specialize in the form are Mary Koncel and >> Louis Jenkins. >> > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Feb 5 17:04:34 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:04:34 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry References: <200602051539.k15Fddgf081066@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net><005d01c62a78$515058a0$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <6.0.2.0.2.20060205124823.03785880@mail.ilstu.edu> Message-ID: <00a901c62aa0$27cf0350$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> But why, once you give up lineation as an auditory unit, are you not writing prose? A good prose writer, it seems to me, will try as much as possible to make his descriptive passages sound and feel like poetry without lineation as an auditory unit. As for the doubly-justified line, I've seen that in a lot of texts called prose poetry. I think I decided, as poetics taxonomist, that double-justification did make a text poetry, but I can't remember my reasoning. I'm pretty sure it was not unstrained, though. Wait, maybe I didn't: what I called poetry was courier doubled-justified (ad hoc term) as so: rose s ar e re d, v iole ts a re b lue. Obvious flow-breaks. I think I would not consider texts that are justified at both ends poetry since normal prose is often justified at both ends. --Bob G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As soon as it becomes apparent that everything cannot get done in the albeit larger, more commodious week, one can simply crack open the inside week, only slightly less commodious in size. Then, when things pile up as they are wont to do, one proceeds to the inside-inside week, its size only slightly less commodious again. And so it goes. I will not go through the process in tedious detail. For that it would be necessary to have an inside-inside-inside-inside-inside-inside-inside week, i.e., 8 weeks in all and obviously that is impossible. There may be some future in developing a system where each of the 7 weeks which constitute the week would in turn contain 7 weeks, giving 49 weeks in all inside one week, and indeed the prospect of an ad infinitum progression. But this proposal lacks the calm symmetry of the established model. It is knobby & hectic where the other is smooth, rounded, generous, economical-and natural. Thank God for the Russian week. ? Mair?ad Byrne or as I mentioned before, Dennis Barone: Near the Lake My town is a resort town supporting numerous contests and friends. The hills are for poets, a cloak worn in northern projects; a delicate type of fern located atop the hill saved the world's grandest summer palace. The tower contains brothers sentenced to death -- possibly to be restored by a shrine: after. Its main feature: a few rooms outside the gate. The statuary has been carried off at the hands of a synonym; a calf formed out of melted ornaments. The other influence on the shoreline is the one dedicated solely to our glory: an event that convinced the gold figure. One who conjures the throne holds a sacrifice: death enters off the road. The main highway buries men, but the oval courtyard leaves arms crossed under a large cellar, the place at which long ago a heavy structure housed the best wine. On the door of the small shed, a famous line: "turn every way at one time, turn into the sacrifice." The divine was all worked, displayed, polished. All of the decorations had a ghetto, a Greek original, and a popular theater ticket. The securest part added the most numerous fragments: apples form a tree, abuse of pets, wooden swords painted red, a lively dance in clogs, or a smilar material carved from wax. Stone at the top of stairs blocked entry. The imposed dialogue announced itself as key, a player of sacrificial intervention. ? Dennis Barone from: Precise Machine; Quale Press. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Feb 5 17:20:53 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:20:53 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Major change in copyright law coming References: <20060202121927.45232.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com><648208b60602050825i13d98c4cx605caa14cb7fb218@mail.gmail.com> <016a01c62a9c$475ab6f0$22ee3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <01c301c62aa2$6d8a8160$22ee3652@ANNY> Correction: I think I was talking of American Psycho. > If I remember right in Less Than Zero there were so many brands mentioned, > they might wish to start suing Bret Easton Ellis first, check his page, > beautiful background music: > http://www.randomhouse.com/kvpa/eastonellis/ > > I think C Marc Merrill's poem is excellent, > and thank you for sending me again to the Salt River Review, I enjoyed > many poems there, also David Graham's one, > > thus it was an advertisement, > Anny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Cervantes" > To: ; "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" > > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Major change in copyright law coming > > >> Wonder if the legal beagles would consider this poem by C Marc Merrill >> to be infringement: >> >> http://www.poetserv.org/SRR24/merrill.html >> >> Seems to me his use of the copyright and registration symbols exempt him. >> >> and, by the way, this post is NOT an ad. >> >> - Jim >> >> On 2/2/06, Ron Silliman wrote: >>> This comes from StockPhotographer.Info, about a bill that could make >>> many works of art infringements on trademarks. >>> >>> >>> Important New Legislation Proposal >>> Written by Edward Greenberg >>> Wednesday, 25 January 2006 >>> A few weeks ago I referenced a proposed new Trademark law formally >>> entitled "HR 683 - the Trademark Dilution Revision Act". It passed in >>> the House of Representatives and is under consideration by the >>> Judiciary Committee. >>> >>> Now stay with me, don't get bored. This is important. >>> >>> The Act contains certain anti-speech aspects which will directly >>> affect illustrators, photographers and others. >>> >>> It will serve to eliminate the current protection for non-commercial >>> speech currently contained in the Lanham Act. It will prevent >>> businesses (artists)and consumers from invoking famous trademarks to >>> explain or illustrate their discussion of public issues. >>> >>> For example, using the phrase "Where's the Beef" could be actionable. >>> Although you might use it in a non-commercial way, the (very) famous >>> Wendy's slogan when used to comment might not be protected by the >>> fair use exception. >>> >>> The Act would give companies considerable leverage in preventing >>> artists and photographers from employing their marks in images by >>> claiming the mark is being "diluted". The bigger the company, the >>> more famous the trademark, the easier it will be to prevent you guys >>> from using it. National companies with highly recognizable marks >>> would have more leverage than any single creator or small business >>> and would easily outspend any of you to prevent your using their >>> mark. >>> >>> Exceptions for fair use, non-commercial use, reportage, commentary, >>> etc. currently existing could disappear and would be no defense to >>> claims of infringement of a registered or unregistered mark. Trade >>> dress is often unregistered. >>> >>> To see how this new legislation might operate, go to >>> www.dsart.com/Gallery/VW_bug.htm. That illustration was created by >>> Donald Stewart in 1992. Mr. Stewart has displayed the work to >>> students in classes and used it as a teaching tool. The image has >>> also been sold. >>> >>> VW of America has threatened Mr. Stewart with litigation in >>> anticipation of the new law. The Volkswagen Beetle is composed of >>> bugs. >>> The illustration does not disparage VW in any way. It is lighthearted >>> and whimsical. It clearly posts the VW marks. >>> >>> I dare say most if not all of you, have created works which like Mr. >>> Stewart's, are not disparaging and employ some recognizable mark >>> somewhere in your image. A photo using a Hummer for example, to >>> comment on the proliferation of gas guzzling SUVs could give >>> GM/Hummer cause to prevent the publication of your image. Incidental, >>> background use of a recognizable mark like a Coke can for example, >>> could easily result in your prompt receipt of a lawyer's letter from >>> a really big law firm representing a really, really big corporation. >>> >>> As written, strong cases have/could be made against candidates who >>> have used popular marks to comment on their opponents. This is not a >>> right wing/left wing thing. It is a free speech, little guy against >>> big guy thing. Your artistic freedom is at risk. >>> >>> I urge all of you to write to Senator Arlen Specter, Chairman of the >>> Senate Judiciary Committee, 711 Hart Building, Washington, DC 20510 >>> to voice your opposition to this bill. >>> >>> Mr. Stewart is ably represented by Paul Alan Levy, Esq. who is with >>> Public Citizen Litigation Group, 1600-20th Street, NW Washington DC >>> 20009 www.citizen.org/litigation. He has taken an active role in >>> fighting this proposed legislation and deserves your vocal and >>> written support. >>> >>> This is your livelihood we are talking about here. Don't bitch about >>> corporate coercion, do something about it. Send a letter or better, >>> send a photograph accompanied by a short note to make your point. You >>> guys get paid to create images to sell products and ideas get >>> people's attention. Get Senator Specter's attention and write to your >>> own Senator as well. The bad guys are betting heavy on your well >>> earned reputation for apathy. >>> >>> >>> >>> Edward C. Greenberg >>> Erica Galinski >>> Greenberg & Reicher, LLP >>> 50 East 42nd St. 17th floor >>> New York, NY 10017 >>> 212.697.8777 >>> ecglaw at aol.com >>> >>> >>> Last Updated ( Wednesday, 25 January 2006 ) >>> _______________________________________________ From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sun Feb 5 17:23:47 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:23:47 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry References: <731bb17a0602041908l5bdcaf64rdbace473f5c76e06@mail.gmail.com><002701c62a53$24367a40$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><00a301c62a56$3959ac50$22ee3652@ANNY><008201c62a86$66744d00$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <014e01c62a9b$0881a750$22ee3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <00c701c62aa2$d6f9c700$5bb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Well, yeah, Anny, I have no trouble with northsouth in some contexts, but not in taxonomy, so here I was the one teasing. --Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Hi Bob, first: my mentioning north and south was not a way of teasing, as probably Chris S. understood, I had your visual mathematiku in my head together with the I Ching and thought that a particular direction was important for or with you as it is in any visual work starting with Kandinsky's rational explanations but that existed way before I didn't mention visual poetry right because the initial question was in between prose and poetry. I don't know if there is any visual prose poetry of any interest beside illustrated stories. ---which I cherish, but do not belong to _new Poetry_ unless you bring them down to a post-modern decadent level I think _prose_ is a positive definition, what I should maybe make clear is that I sometimes have to answer questions, and I do not know what or how I should answer, and one of these specific questions is: "On which basis can you define what is visibly prose a poem?" Easy question for me and Marcus: you can't. With the follow-up question of what's so bad about describing a text as a poetically-written piece of descriptive prose? BG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rsillima at yahoo.com Mon Feb 6 07:28:59 2006 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 04:28:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060206122859.53162.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS Women with long lines: Eleni Sikelianos and Mong-Lan Shakespeare on current events Some neglected poets (Darrell Gray and Jack Beeching) Mayakovsky and voice Close reading a bad poem: ???Alligator Dark??? by Stephen Dobyns When a 19-year-old creates a dance company: ASH Contemporary Dance in Philadelphia The poetry of Harold Dull Shame and Celan: Four new books by Robert Kelly (a collab with Birgit Kempker) A chapbook by Helena Bennett Other blogs ??? notes on Robert Creeley, Mary Beach and Lindley Williams Hubbell Night Palace by Joanne Kyger An interview with Kimiko Hahn http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Feb 6 07:41:01 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:41:01 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry In-Reply-To: <004101c62b15$c4ad09e0$04a83252@ANNY> References: <42.798ab490.31181add@aol.com> <004101c62b15$c4ad09e0$04a83252@ANNY> Message-ID: <68E22AEC-AF13-4D8B-9B99-EC030D6DE88C@earthlink.net> Or maybe "A poem that chews the lime-flavored sentence." Hal On Feb 6, 2006, at 7:06 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > This is the best! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JforJames at aol.com > To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:22 AM > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry > > A poem that eschews the line in favor of the sentence. Braised pork bun (Taiwanese style) Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Mon Feb 6 09:01:37 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:01:37 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Message-ID: <1a1.44e6b458.3118b0c1@aol.com> In a message dated 2/6/2006 7:41:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, halvard at earthlink.net writes: "A poem that chews the lime-flavored sentence." That's a question: Why is it that the prose poem seems to frequently gravitate toward the surreal and absurd? Is that well known early practitioners like Baudelaire, Jacob, Borges, set it spinning in that direction, and later poets like Benedikt, Edson and Simic just kept it going along that path. Or does the strangeness of such content create so much inherent dynamism that laying out the piece in lines seems unnecessary. A need to undercut the extravagance of the imagination by discarding a major aspect of poetic technique. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Mon Feb 6 09:15:53 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:15:53 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Michael Benedikt Site Message-ID: <148.54c3821e.3118b419@aol.com> _http://members.aol.com/benedit4/_ (http://members.aol.com/benedit4/) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Feb 6 09:48:34 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:48:34 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Michael Benedikt Site In-Reply-To: <148.54c3821e.3118b419@aol.com> Message-ID: on 2/6/06 8:15 AM, JforJames at aol.com at JforJames at aol.com wrote: http://members.aol.com/benedit4/ _______________________________________________ I'm finding quite a few dead links on Benedikt's pages, but it looks as though there are many good things here. It's interesting that, in the interview & essay reprinted here, Benedikt has very little to say, ultimately, about the purely formal aspects of prose poetry. Nor does his attempt at formal definition clarify much: "A form of poetry self-consciously written in prose, yet characterized by the conscious, intense use, of virtually all the devices of verse poetry--except for strict meter; rhyme; and the line-break." Like all such definitions I've seen, it essentially begs the formal question: how do we know it's "a form of poetry" if it's not written as verse? Well, just because we say so, it seems. As long as one is conscious and deliberate in intending poetry, well, it's poetry. (Which is why Benedikt doesn't label James Agee & other writers of "poetic prose" prose poets--because they didn't call themselves that.) As many have pointed out, the rest of the traits noted--prose using various "conscious, intense" heightenings of language--can be found abundantly in novels, essays, short stories, and dramatic scripts. So it's really a non-definition. (I should add that I'm happy enough with this non-definition, myself.) Benedikt talks about psychological content, tone, dream and surrealism and other types of "inwardness," metaphor, lyrical brevity, and so forth; and it seems clear that these aspects are what interests him most. And that's fine with me. The whole edifice of prose poetry may be built upon a non-definition, but it's produced excellent writing for a century and a half now. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: David Graham Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 3:48 PM on 2/6/06 8:15 AM, JforJames at aol.com at JforJames at aol.com wrote: http://members.aol.com/benedit4/ _______________________________________________ I'm finding quite a few dead links on Benedikt's pages, but it looks as though there are many good things here. It's interesting that, in the interview & essay reprinted here, Benedikt has very little to say, ultimately, about the purely formal aspects of prose poetry. Nor does his attempt at formal definition clarify much: "A form of poetry self-consciously written in prose, yet characterized by the conscious, intense use, of virtually all the devices of verse poetry--except for strict meter; rhyme; and the line-break." Like all such definitions I've seen, it essentially begs the formal question: how do we know it's "a form of poetry" if it's not written as verse? Well, just because we say so, it seems. As long as one is conscious and deliberate in intending poetry, well, it's poetry. (Which is why Benedikt doesn't label James Agee & other writers of "poetic prose" prose poets--because they didn't call themselves that.) As many have pointed out, the rest of the traits noted--prose using various "conscious, intense" heightenings of language--can be found abundantly in novels, essays, short stories, and dramatic scripts. So it's really a non-definition. (I should add that I'm happy enough with this non-definition, myself.) Benedikt talks about psychological content, tone, dream and surrealism and other types of "inwardness," metaphor, lyrical brevity, and so forth; and it seems clear that these aspects are what interests him most. And that's fine with me. The whole edifice of prose poetry may be built upon a non-definition, but it's produced excellent writing for a century and a half now. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Mon Feb 6 10:01:42 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:01:42 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Michael Benedikt Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > The whole edifice of prose poetry may be built upon a non- > definition, but it's produced excellent writing for a century and a > half now. Ah, so much is built on non-definitions! 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Much as I disagree with Silliman about almost everything of importance regarding poetics, he deserves great credit for putting this sort of specific, detailed criticism up for everyone to see. http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael Peverett http://michaelpeverett.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 14:08:11 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:08:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Cont. Message-ID: <731bb17a0602061108h72ae539eqc8ab863c19186507@mail.gmail.com> Here's a short paragraph lifted from *Double Room* ( http://www.webdelsol.com/Double_Room/issue_two/JG_ResBio.html): *Question 5**. *Denise Duhamel clearly states, " There may be a difference between flash fiction and prose poems, but I believe the researchers still haven't found the genes to differentiate them." In agreement, Thom Ward says that, " I have no idea what the true or sustaining definition of a prose poem or flash fiction is. Nor do I plan on ruminating over the issue." How about it? What specific genes (or, let's say, traits) have you found to differentiate between prose poetry and flash fiction? Further, Jonathan Carr says that the only restrictions writing a pp/ff entail are, "Those that the authors place on themselves." Do you believe that writing a pp/ff assumes certain accepted conventions and/or restrictions? If not, how does this idea relate to Cole Swensen's genreless writing? (see question #2). Or, like Thom Ward, do you find it useless to ruminate over the issue? ** *Johanness Goransson:* *Prose poetry has its own conventions. For example, lots of people who write prose poetry tend to sound a lot like Russel Edson. He's a great poet, but most of his imitators are not. Sometimes, when I've read his poems I start to write like him too. It's infectious. Nevertheless, most of the time I feel liberated when writing in prose. For one, I don't have to waste my time with the visual appearance of the piece. The prose block may have its own look, but it usually shows a healthy disregard for visual appearance. The emphasis on visuals (as well as the Modernist emphasis on signifier) seems strangely nostalgic and brittle in this pounding hypermedia age. Perhaps most importantly, prose poems allow me the enormous delusion that I'm not even writing poetry, and that makes it all so much more fun.* In my backwoods Southern redneck manner, I'm gonna have to call bullshit here. Pardon my French. As Bill Morgan pointed out in an earlier post, prose poetry does concern itself with space as much as lineated poetry does. I don't follow Goransson's suggestion, either, that concerns with visual appearance are "wastes of time." Indeed, I'd argue that the best poets make use of all at their disposal, including visual appearance. I also don't buy that prose blocks have a "healthy disregard for visual appearance." The prose block does indeed suggest meaning, depending on context, of course. I think of Carolyn Forche's "The Colonel," a blocked prose piece that traps us with the Colonel in the poem. Furthermore (and more importantly), the prose poem form of "The Colonel" seems perfectly appropriate with the Colonel's matter-of-fact statements. It's an undecorus poem about an undecorus man. The fluff at the end of the above quotation about "Modernist emphasis on signifier" I'll chalk up to aesthetic/political agenda. And, I'm not certain why a poet would want the delusion that he's not writing poetry. Thoughts? (I'm feeling cranky right now, so I'll probably eat these words later. I don't know Goransson and harbor no ill-will toward him, btw.) Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.lott at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 19:39:04 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:39:04 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman dismantles Dobyns In-Reply-To: <30CA3ED510E3BE4C9E3C15ADC8603F69A8D84D@URANIUM.ripon.college> References: <20060206122859.53162.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <30CA3ED510E3BE4C9E3C15ADC8603F69A8D84D@URANIUM.ripon.college> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0602061639k1d9dbe8fiddff2590e314e06a@mail.gmail.com> On 2/6/06, Graham, David wrote: > In his blog, Ron Silliman conducts a devastating close reading of a poem by > Stephen Dobyns. Well worth a look. Bad poem. Dobyns has done much better. But the criticism pointed to says a lot more about Ron and his internal relationship with Freud than the poem in question. I'm with Joe Green. c From chris.lott at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 19:41:19 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:41:19 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Major change in copyright law coming In-Reply-To: <01c301c62aa2$6d8a8160$22ee3652@ANNY> References: <20060202121927.45232.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <648208b60602050825i13d98c4cx605caa14cb7fb218@mail.gmail.com> <016a01c62a9c$475ab6f0$22ee3652@ANNY> <01c301c62aa2$6d8a8160$22ee3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0602061641o7e60b61dl488f1aa124bcb9b2@mail.gmail.com> One would like to think that such brain dead legislation would have no chance of passing. But this is America... c From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Mon Feb 6 21:43:50 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:43:50 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman dismantles Dobyns References: <20060206122859.53162.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com><30CA3ED510E3BE4C9E3C15ADC8603F69A8D84D@URANIUM.ripon.college> <9b1b9dab0602061639k1d9dbe8fiddff2590e314e06a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00f601c62b90$54da5e80$5db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> > On 2/6/06, Graham, David wrote: >> In his blog, Ron Silliman conducts a devastating close reading of a poem >> by >> Stephen Dobyns. Well worth a look. > > Bad poem. Dobyns has done much better. > > But the criticism pointed to says a lot more about Ron and his > internal relationship with Freud than the poem in question. I'm with > Joe Green. > > c I'm with Green, too. I didn't find the poem great, but didn't dislike it all that much. I didn't think Silliman too penetrating about it. When he takes on "formal verse," which this poem certainly was not, he sounds like a second-rate formal critic--though he occasionally says something interesting. --Bob G. From chris.lott at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 23:52:00 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:52:00 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry In-Reply-To: <005c01c62b61$d6cf9bf0$5db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <42.798ab490.31181add@aol.com> <005c01c62b61$d6cf9bf0$5db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0602062052t7cb4e596k4596a835d584a8b6@mail.gmail.com> I am staying out of this discussion-- the existence of the wee beasties is enough for me. But I did want to applaud those who posted examples-- which are much more interesting-- and ask for more (no offense meant to those theorizing)... c From chris.lott at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 23:59:48 2006 From: chris.lott at gmail.com (Chris Lott) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:59:48 -0900 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Cont. In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0602061108h72ae539eqc8ab863c19186507@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0602061108h72ae539eqc8ab863c19186507@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0602062059k4137e4b0g117612a03c60d71b@mail.gmail.com> "I also don't buy that prose blocks have a "healthy disregard for visual appearance." The prose block does indeed suggest meaning, depending on context, of course." Speaking hypothetically, if a prose poem's lineation doesn't really matter, and one often can't be sure of the ultimate dimensions of the published work, then it shouldn't matter how the poem is laid out in the final edition. But how many poets would feel that their prose poems were being mangled if they were squeezed or stretched to fit in the arbitrary space? And where is it too much and where does it simply become an issue of readability? I guess the things I write which I call prose poems still pay attention to the line. I find it almost impossible NOT to pay attention to the line (whether the attention is worthwhile or not). Maybe that's why I feel that even my creative prose is really some kind of poem. c From m.peverett at ukonline.co.uk Tue Feb 7 04:22:44 2006 From: m.peverett at ukonline.co.uk (m.peverett at ukonline.co.uk) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:22:44 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman dismantles Dobyns In-Reply-To: <00f601c62b90$54da5e80$5db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <20060206122859.53162.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com><30CA3ED510E3BE4C9E3C15ADC8603F69A8D84D@URANIUM.ripon.college> <9b1b9dab0602061639k1d9dbe8fiddff2590e314e06a@mail.gmail.com> <00f601c62b90$54da5e80$5db831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <1139304164.43e866e45b3d3@webmail.ukonline.net> I agreed with Joe Green, too. Ron has a real difficulty with (or perhaps it's a philosophical objection to) observing the literal plane closely. Perhaps he doesn't think there should be a distinguishable literal plane in a poem. But this myopia means that you can't trust him to follow the simplest of narratives, and I think he thereby loses a large chunk of the pleasure that poems have to give. (Not that Dobyns had such a vast amount to give, but such as it was it depended on realizing the narrative with precision.) Ron admits himself that he's not interested in narrative-foregrounded genres like novels and of course this is to the huge benefit of the world, because it means he devotes more time to reading poetry and to sharing his acute sensitivity to other aspects that make a poem, eg its sound-particles, its look and the way it swaggers down the catwalk. Quoting Bob Grumman : > > > > On 2/6/06, Graham, David wrote: > >> In his blog, Ron Silliman conducts a devastating close reading of a poem > >> by > >> Stephen Dobyns. Well worth a look. > > > > Bad poem. Dobyns has done much better. > > > > But the criticism pointed to says a lot more about Ron and his > > internal relationship with Freud than the poem in question. I'm with > > Joe Green. > > > > c > > I'm with Green, too. I didn't find the poem great, but didn't dislike it > all that much. I didn't think Silliman too penetrating about it. When he > takes on "formal verse," which this poem certainly was not, he sounds like a > > second-rate formal critic--though he occasionally says something > interesting. > > --Bob G. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 07:57:03 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 05:57:03 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Northwest Makes Comeback Message-ID: <648208b60602070457j3ccf8dbcg6ab6f250b67b3e2f@mail.gmail.com> Poetry Northwest is back! The image to your left says a lot about how we feel about the revival of Poetry Northwest: We're back. With a radical new format, a new design, & new offices at The Attic in Portland, Oregon, we're delighted to resume publication in March 2006 after a four-year hiatus. A terrific staff has come together to curate the magazine. Now a biannual, our mission remains what it has been for over four decades. In the words of founding editor Carolyn Kizer, "We shall continue to encourage the young and the inexperienced, the neglected mature, and the rough major talents and the fragile minor ones." --David Biespiel, Editor http://www.poetrynw.org/ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 07:57:38 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 05:57:38 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Northwest Makes Comeback Message-ID: <648208b60602070457h47e25335yd7eb7586210d9bc1@mail.gmail.com> Poetry Northwest is back! The image to your left says a lot about how we feel about the revival of Poetry Northwest: We're back. With a radical new format, a new design, & new offices at The Attic in Portland, Oregon, we're delighted to resume publication in March 2006 after a four-year hiatus. A terrific staff has come together to curate the magazine. Now a biannual, our mission remains what it has been for over four decades. In the words of founding editor Carolyn Kizer, "We shall continue to encourage the young and the inexperienced, the neglected mature, and the rough major talents and the fragile minor ones." --David Biespiel, Editor http://www.poetrynw.org/ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 09:24:25 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:24:25 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Cont. In-Reply-To: <9b1b9dab0602062059k4137e4b0g117612a03c60d71b@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0602061108h72ae539eqc8ab863c19186507@mail.gmail.com> <9b1b9dab0602062059k4137e4b0g117612a03c60d71b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0602070624i7d3ce31ag9e18eacdeabff6b3@mail.gmail.com> Chris-- My point exactly. For me, it's impossible NOT to think of the line when I compose poetry. Jeff Newberry On 2/6/06, Chris Lott wrote: > > "I also don't buy that prose blocks have a "healthy disregard for > visual appearance." The prose block does indeed suggest meaning, > depending on context, of course." > > Speaking hypothetically, if a prose poem's lineation doesn't really > matter, and one often can't be sure of the ultimate dimensions of the > published work, then it shouldn't matter how the poem is laid out in > the final edition. But how many poets would feel that their prose > poems were being mangled if they were squeezed or stretched to fit in > the arbitrary space? And where is it too much and where does it simply > become an issue of readability? > > I guess the things I write which I call prose poems still pay > attention to the line. I find it almost impossible NOT to pay > attention to the line (whether the attention is worthwhile or not). > Maybe that's why I feel that even my creative prose is really some > kind of poem. > > c > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Tue Feb 7 12:46:54 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:46:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Cont. References: <731bb17a0602061108h72ae539eqc8ab863c19186507@mail.gmail.com><9b1b9dab0602062059k4137e4b0g117612a03c60d71b@mail.gmail.com> <731bb17a0602070624i7d3ce31ag9e18eacdeabff6b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005901c62c0e$7c5298f0$6801a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Yeah -- if you're writing a prose poem, you're conscious of NOT putting in line breaks and creating lines. Constance Urdang, who was something of a master of the form, referred to them as "very short novels." ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Newberry To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &, Views Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Cont. Chris-- My point exactly. For me, it's impossible NOT to think of the line when I compose poetry. Jeff Newberry On 2/6/06, Chris Lott wrote: "I also don't buy that prose blocks have a "healthy disregard for visual appearance." The prose block does indeed suggest meaning, depending on context, of course." Speaking hypothetically, if a prose poem's lineation doesn't really matter, and one often can't be sure of the ultimate dimensions of the published work, then it shouldn't matter how the poem is laid out in the final edition. But how many poets would feel that their prose poems were being mangled if they were squeezed or stretched to fit in the arbitrary space? And where is it too much and where does it simply become an issue of readability? I guess the things I write which I call prose poems still pay attention to the line. I find it almost impossible NOT to pay attention to the line (whether the attention is worthwhile or not). Maybe that's why I feel that even my creative prose is really some kind of poem. c _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Tue Feb 7 05:57:59 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 04:57:59 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Northwest Makes Comeback In-Reply-To: <648208b60602070457j3ccf8dbcg6ab6f250b67b3e2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/7/06 6:57 AM, "James Cervantes" wrote: > Poetry Northwest is back! > > The image to your left says a lot about how we feel about the revival > of Poetry Northwest: We're back. With a radical new format, a new > design, & new offices at The Attic in Portland, Oregon, we're > delighted to resume publication in March 2006 after a four-year > hiatus. A terrific staff has come together to curate the magazine. Now > a biannual, our mission remains what it has been for over four > decades. In the words of founding editor Carolyn Kizer, "We shall > continue to encourage the young and the inexperienced, the neglected > mature, and the rough major talents and the fragile minor ones." > > --David Biespiel, Editor > > http://www.poetrynw.org/ > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Here, here. Welcome back, Poetry Northwest, who was once kind to me in my apprentice years. Paul Lake From clitophon at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 15:05:19 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:05:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] =?iso-8859-1?q?M=FCnchen?= In-Reply-To: <20f.11eeabf1.31166c94@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060207200519.46060.qmail@web36509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Der Waffle M?nchen (dir Stephen Spielberg) Another of Spielberg?s confusions, M?nchen is a fast food extravaganza in which an array of juicy dishes are placed tantalisingly before us. The arch-villain, conspirator, organiser, Mr-Fixit, Salami, a fast food chain of Middle Eastern origin, organises a dumpling throwing orgy, when Israeli athletes are caught unawares, abducted and taken to M?nchen airport, pelted with white sausage and made to drink never-ending quantities of white beer all rounded off with lashings of sweet mustard, a M?nchen speciality. Did we really need this and why did I bother going to see it? Its not worth considering the politics of the film which are stereotypical. A terrorist attack activates a cycle of violence (bicycles are evoked more than metaphorically when the Mossad agents mount an attack armed with pistols disguised as bicycle pumps, a critical point in the film when the urgency really is to leave the cinema and mount an attack of ones own on a variety Thai or Chinese foodstuffs.). Eventually the Mossad agents come to seem no better than the terrorists they pursue and individual members of their gang experience pre or post-Jungian moments of angst. The cinema verite credentials of the film are sometimes dissolved by the obviously highly paid attractive models who congregate in seemingly endless crowds, groups and pairings throughout the film. It would be apt if they turned to camera, mouthing ? gave Steven a blow job for this bit part.? Yes, we know all that, very interesting, but what about the FILM? As a thriller the film is rather better than a political commentary or rant. It might be said that the film is good because it works on more than one level. The evocation of 1970s Europe is perfect, with locales in contemporary Budapest, (where fashions, styles are still rather similar to the period) and the film has a noirish edge (which is good to hear). The presence of Eric Bana (starred in the dismal ?Troy?) should have rung some alarm bells but the rest of the casting seems destined to somehow fit the often edgy and distanciated material. The film is introduced with period news flashes and cinema verite verisimilitude but subsides into a trip to the 1970s museum of fashion. Telephones from that era are fascinatedly tipped as explosive devices then detonated (after the usual incident with the little girl). The electronics and mechanisms of remote control detonation evoke a fascination with the mechanism, construction and miniature art and technology of films. Later the technology fails and ghastly immolations must be carried out heroically and personally with hand grenades. The implication of M?nchen is that the attack in 1972 led to a cycle of violence, which, broadly speaking, was botched, which led to the attacks of 9:11. The final image of the film is of the twin towers and thus of prophetic destiny: agents of retribution become very like the people they seek to neutralise, have no right to commit acts of summary justice. There are too many mistakes and too many innocent people get involved and get hurt. This is a reassuring image\message, stereotypical and well-meant but ultimately hollow. Films like this necessitate a response in terms of political bias but their real meaning is in terms of the fake nostalgia that is hauntingly evoked, inarticulate yet omnipresent (and, in many senses, rather silly, hence the bicycle pumps\pistols and other images of 70s kitsch that are alternately endearing and grimace-worthy). Paul Murphy, Berlin, 2006 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From JforJames at aol.com Tue Feb 7 20:30:58 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:30:58 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Cont. Message-ID: <286.5386b36.311aa3d2@aol.com> This post made want to turn the tables on the discussion. If we 'overvalue' the poetic effect of a linebreak (or flow break, nod to BG) aren't we saying that it is the defining aspect of a 'poem'. Much of contemporary poetry is 'chopped prose' as the formalist accuse,yet it survives perfectly well as poetry for many readers. So take away one more element (the linebreak/the chop) and what really is lost? Unless you're doing a Williams or Creeley thing of a stripped down poetic diction, I wonder how much the linebreak affects the reading of the poem. At first the cathedrals need buttresses to sustain their heights....as builing technique improved, the buttresses became unnecessary. The linebreak is the anachronistic flying buttress of the poem. Finnegan In a message dated 2/7/2006 12:00:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, chris.lott at gmail.com writes: Speaking hypothetically, if a prose poem's lineation doesn't really matter, and one often can't be sure of the ultimate dimensions of the published work, then it shouldn't matter how the poem is laid out in the final edition. But how many poets would feel that their prose poems were being mangled if they were squeezed or stretched to fit in the arbitrary space? And where is it too much and where does it simply become an issue of readability? I guess the things I write which I call prose poems still pay attention to the line. I find it almost impossible NOT to pay attention to the line (whether the attention is worthwhile or not). Maybe that's why I feel that even my creative prose is really some kind of poem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Tue Feb 7 21:03:00 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:03:00 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Cont. References: <286.5386b36.311aa3d2@aol.com> Message-ID: <02fa01c62c53$cac120c0$26b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> This post made want to turn the tables on the discussion. If we 'overvalue' the poetic effect of a linebreak (or flow break, nod to BG) aren't we saying that it is the defining aspect of a 'poem'. Much of contemporary poetry is 'chopped prose' as the formalist accuse,yet it survives perfectly well as poetry for many readers. So take away one more element (the linebreak/the chop) and what really is lost? Unless you're doing a Williams or Creeley thing of a stripped down poetic diction, I wonder how much the linebreak affects the reading of the poem. At first the cathedrals need buttresses to sustain their heights....as builing technique improved, the buttresses became unnecessary. The linebreak is the anachronistic flying buttress of the poem. Finnegan Well, surely you need some defining characteristic of poetry? Aside from that, flow breaks, such as lineation, can be as expressive as anything in poetry. But what the heck--most visual poets believe you can dispense with words and still have a poem. --Bob G. In a message dated 2/7/2006 12:00:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, chris.lott at gmail.com writes: Speaking hypothetically, if a prose poem's lineation doesn't really matter, and one often can't be sure of the ultimate dimensions of the published work, then it shouldn't matter how the poem is laid out in the final edition. But how many poets would feel that their prose poems were being mangled if they were squeezed or stretched to fit in the arbitrary space? And where is it too much and where does it simply become an issue of readability? I guess the things I write which I call prose poems still pay attention to the line. I find it almost impossible NOT to pay attention to the line (whether the attention is worthwhile or not). Maybe that's why I feel that even my creative prose is really some kind of poem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the case of of his discussion of Dobyns, I don't think his comments on metrics make much sense; and I'd say he misses most of the humor of the poem ("take that, Mom!" is not doctrinaire Freudianism, in my reading, but a joke *on* such, and seems meant jokingly by the boy in the poem); and he indulges in the somewhat slippery rhetorical tactic of attacking a fairly weak poem by a good poet rather than looking at Dobyns's best. (Fair enough, one could say, since the real point of the entry seems to be to heap scorn on Pinsky for admiring this poem.) But even so, it would be good to see this level of attention to specific poems more often--even on this very list, in my view. on 2/7/06 8:05 PM, JforJames at aol.com at JforJames at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/6/2006 12:14:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, GrahamD at ripon.edu writes: In his blog, Ron Silliman conducts a devastating close reading of a poem by Stephen Dobyns. Well worth a look http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ First of all I want to give Ron credit for an incredibly well written blog...whether I agree with half of it or not. Does he sleep. I mean, I can't even imagine how much reading and typing he can manage. And today he effuses over Daisy Fried. The longer piece he praises as though Duhamel, Dean Young, Halliday, etc., hadn't done things of similar interest. The shorter poem quoted ('First Boyfriend, 14') is interesting...nicely understated with its spare imagery, but not overwhelming in its import. It reads to me as an adolescent remembrance crafted in vein of momento mori. Finnegan _______________________________________________ ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Tue Feb 7 05:57:59 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 04:57:59 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Poetry Northwest Makes Comeback In-Reply-To: <648208b60602070457j3ccf8dbcg6ab6f250b67b3e2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/7/06 6:57 AM, "James Cervantes" wrote: > Poetry Northwest is back! > > The image to your left says a lot about how we feel about the revival > of Poetry Northwest: We're back. With a radical new format, a new > design, & new offices at The Attic in Portland, Oregon, we're > delighted to resume publication in March 2006 after a four-year > hiatus. A terrific staff has come together to curate the magazine. Now > a biannual, our mission remains what it has been for over four > decades. In the words of founding editor Carolyn Kizer, "We shall > continue to encourage the young and the inexperienced, the neglected > mature, and the rough major talents and the fragile minor ones." > > --David Biespiel, Editor > > http://www.poetrynw.org/ > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Here, here. Welcome back, Poetry Northwest, who was once kind to me in my apprentice years. Paul Lake From grahamd at ripon.edu Tue Feb 7 22:59:18 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:59:18 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dobyns in full Message-ID: It occurs to me that the Dobyns poem Ron Silliman critiques is quoted only in part in his blog. You can follow the link in the blog to Pinsky's column, or else just read on here to see the full text: Alligator Dark Stiff as a fireman's spray, his urine smacks into the toilet bowl to spatter against the two-inch remnant of a cigarette, either a Camel or Lucky Strike both of which his parents smoke. Perhaps he is eight. A chaste delight in this pre-filter era before Freudian notions could for him ruin the simplest of pleasures. The butt's lipstick-reddened tip bleeds into the murk -- Take that, Mom! -- till the paper splits apart and tobacco bits skitter off like peewee lifeboats. The boy zips his pants as his mother shouts, What's taking you so long? Just washing up, he calls back, before flushing the tiny survivors of the stricken liner down, down to the alligator dark beneath the streets. -- Stephen Dobyns. Mystery, So Long. Penguin, 2005. ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Feb 8 02:40:28 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:40:28 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman dismantles Dobyns References: <20a.120d2ffd.311aabd3@aol.com> Message-ID: <004501c62c82$eee58e30$b9d73152@ANNY> I am also stunned at the incredible quantity and quality (I think I am one among the few who accepts a lot from Ron Silliman, definitely due to the fact that I live abroad and for me many authors he mentions are just names; an Italian Ron Silliman would find me fully equipped with weapons and ready to fight -objectively thought). The poem you highlight is very strong, I could anyhow perceive an adult behind it, a pity it did not act on me in the same way it did on you. I think that what plays in this context is the fact that I am of the same gender of the writer. A tricky situation sometimes. Anny ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Silliman dismantles Dobyns In a message dated 2/6/2006 12:14:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, GrahamD at ripon.edu writes: In his blog, Ron Silliman conducts a devastating close reading of a poem by Stephen Dobyns. Well worth a look http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ First of all I want to give Ron credit for an incredibly well written blog...whether I agree with half of it or not. Does he sleep. I mean, I can't even imagine how much reading and typing he can manage. And today he effuses over Daisy Fried. The longer piece he praises as though Duhamel, Dean Young, Halliday, etc., hadn't done things of similar interest. The shorter poem quoted ('First Boyfriend, 14') is interesting...nicely understated with its spare imagery, but not overwhelming in its import. It reads to me as an adolescent remembrance crafted in vein of momento mori. Finnegan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Wed Feb 8 08:41:07 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:41:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Ruth Lilly's millions Message-ID: <96C250C5-B9B0-4098-AACA-32DC15798E36@earthlink.net> She couldn't take it with her, so have a look at some of what Ruth Lilly's millions have bought. http://www.poetryfoundation.org/ Hal "I loathe writing. On the other hand I'm a great believer in money.Often when I couldn't pay the grocery bill, Providence intervened and I don't mean my natal city, Providence, which can be counted on for nothing." --S. J. Perelman Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 10:30:03 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:30:03 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Ruth Lilly's millions In-Reply-To: <96C250C5-B9B0-4098-AACA-32DC15798E36@earthlink.net> References: <96C250C5-B9B0-4098-AACA-32DC15798E36@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <648208b60602080730o44c46914y82e7f44a329726c8@mail.gmail.com> On 2/8/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > She couldn't take it with her, so have a look > at some of what Ruth Lilly's millions have bought. > > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/ I've seen equally attractive web pages that cost far less. -- superficially, Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From opus40-01 at opus40.org Wed Feb 8 11:38:07 2006 From: opus40-01 at opus40.org (opus40-01 at opus40.org) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:38:07 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Ruth Lilly's millions Message-ID: <20060208163807.B356A13CF8@smapp03.siteprotect.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed Feb 8 10:30 , James Cervantes sent: On 2/8/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > She couldn't take it with her, so have a look > at some of what Ruth Lilly's millions have bought. > > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/ I've seen equally attractive web pages that cost far less. -- superficially, Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 13:02:24 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:02:24 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Ruth Lilly's millions In-Reply-To: <20060208163807.B356A13CF8@smapp03.siteprotect.com> References: <20060208163807.B356A13CF8@smapp03.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <648208b60602081002x7467ffc4nb0e47c748fbc01cb@mail.gmail.com> Tongue-in-cheek, Tad. Part of that bazillion also accounts for the high production values of Poetry, and what they pay for all that prose, which these days accounts for half or more of the content. - Jim On 2/8/06, opus40-01 at opus40.org wrote: > I'm figuring the whole bazillion dollars didn't just go into the website. > Actually, I think it's not bad. I'm glad it's there. > > > > On Wed Feb 8 10:30 , James Cervantes sent: > > > On 2/8/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > > She couldn't take it with her, so have a look > > at some of what Ruth Lilly's millions have bought. > > > > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/ > > I've seen equally attractive web pages that cost far less. > > > -- superficially, Jim > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ > http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html > Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Feb 8 14:01:12 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:01:12 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] US Foreign policy after '45 Message-ID: <00c401c62ce2$07ad8080$66ee3652@ANNY> Van: Julie Larsen [mailto:julie at ihis.aau.dk] Verzonden: dinsdag 7 februari 2006 15:24 *** CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT - PLEASE CIRCULATE *** US Foreign Policy after 1945: Cynical or Benevolent - National or Imperial Time: June 1-2, 2006 Venue: Aalborg University, Denmark Conference website: Download advertisement here: Background and Aims of the Conference The objectives and formulation of US foreign policy have been the subject of heated debates on national, regional and international levels in the past few years, not least with regard to the "War on Terror" and the intervention in Iraq. Yet, while it is possible to disagree with the foreign policy of the US Government, as numerous countries and politicians across the world have done, it is hardly possible to ignore it. For the United States, on the other hand, things appear to be different. As the world's sole remaining superpower, claiming global supremacy and unprecedented freedom of action in economic, military and political arenas simultaneously, the USA can - perhaps - afford to ignore the disapproval of the rest of the world - to "go it alone" if and when it considers its national interests threatened. The conference aims to review the overall nature and development of US foreign politics - its interests, objectives, strategies and instruments - following World War II, Bretton Woods and the early Cold War era. On this basis, it will, secondly, focus on the interests, events and political conflicts which have shaped and influenced US foreign policy toward Europe, the Middle East, South-East Asia, and the territories of the former Soviet Union and the present-day successor countries in the post-1945 period - as well as linkages between such regional policies and their outcomes. Finally, it will take a hard look at the future of US relations with the world, and at the changes US policy makers as well as the leaders of other countries need to consider in order to redress dysfunctional or normatively undesirable consequences of current imbalances in the global order. See the conference program here: Speakers The conference will bring together distinguished scholars, regional experts and opinion leaders, who have made important contributions in the fields of US foreign policy, international relations, regional studies and globalization. The confirmed speakers/rapporteurs are: - Ralph A. Cossa, Pacific Forum, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Honolulu, USA - David P. Forsythe, University of Nebraska, USA - Michael Hudson, Georgetown University, USA - Peter Katzenstein, Cornell University, USA - Charles A. Kupchan, Georgetown University and Council on Foreign Relations, USA - Anatol Lieven, Carnegie Endowment, Washington DC, USA - Geir Lundestad, Norwegian Nobel Institute, Norway - Louis W. Pauly, University of Toronto, Canada - Niels Bjerre-Poulsen, Copenhagen Business School, Denmark - Michael Smith, Loughborough University, UK - J?rgen B?k Simonsen, University of Copenhagen, Denmark - Vibeke Sperling, Editor and Journalist, Politiken - Georg S?rensen, University of Aarhus, Denmark - Celeste A. Wallander, Center for Strategic and International Studies, USA - Bonnie Boye, Aalborg University, Denmark - Ulf Hedetoft, Aalborg University, Denmark Conference Registration Please register for the conference here: (NB! The number of participants is limited to 150) Early Bird Registration Fee: DKK 1,800 (after April 18 the fee will be DKK 2,200) Early Bird Student Registration Fee (not PhD candidates): DKK 900 (after April 18 the student fee will be DKK 1,300). For further information about the conference please visit the conference website: http://www.ihis.aau.dk/usforeignpolicy/ocs/index.php?cf=1 Best regards, Ulf Hedetoft & Bonnie Boye Dept. of History, International & Social Studies Aalborg University Denmark -- Julie Larsen AMID - Academy for Migration Studies in Denmark / FREIA - Feminist Research Centre / SPIRIT - School for Postgraduate Interdisciplinary Research on Interculturalism and Transnationality Department of History, International & Social Studies Aalborg University, Fibigerstraede 2, DK-9220 Aalborg East Phone: +45 9635 7195 / Fax: +45 9815 1126 http://www.amid.dk/ http://www.ihis.aau.dk/freia/ http://www.ihis.aau.dk/spirit/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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And, dazzled with the day, fold the sunlight in your sheets, fold the smell of salt and leaves, of summer, sweat, and roses, to shake them out when you need them most, For love is strong as death. ? Ann Fischer-Wirth Five Terraces http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=181 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Feb 8 15:45:24 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:45:24 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Cont. References: <286.5386b36.311aa3d2@aol.com><02fa01c62c53$cac120c0$26b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <013601c62cef$667000e0$66ee3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <014a01c62cf0$95efc610$66ee3652@ANNY> and a prose poem by Fan Ogilvie: SATISFACTION GUARANTEED OR YOUR MONKEY BACK Was he first seen in the taxi or chained to a door of the Twin Towers? You said you waved in your pink suit with matching scarf, to benefit cancer. Was it brain or breast this time? Waved and waved. The monkey waved too. Waved at the pedestrians crossing Park at 66th, waved on Lex, waved as you two raced from uptown down to the ring of the fraenum of the city. You were in such a hurry you chained him to the door of the North Tower. Didn't you, didn't you? You had to get to your table at "Windows on the World". Didn't you, didn't you? I'm doing that for repetition. Aren't I? I am. "A long chain," you said as you sipped your cappuccino on the 107th storey above your monkey. You asked me to come get him immediately. You think you know where this poem is going don't you, don't you: I hail a Yellow Checker Cab, head downtown at 8:50 am September 11, 2001, see a plane boomerang around the backs of both towers, aim straight into the South Tower, a *%$@<> hit into the building as if it were a hanger. A hanger of offices explodes in the air. Jet fuel on fire rips through the building, rupturing it and its twin. People die instantly in ordinary moments of their lives. No chance to correct a wrong or underline a blissful moment. Finished. Jesus, the monkey! Your monkey on his long chain outside the North Tower. Can I reach him in time? Do I know the North Tower is about to fall as I hurry the cabbie to the entrance? Can I get to the monkey in time? Black clouds build. I could not understand the reason you gave me to come rescue the monkey. Something about "Henry's primate phobia". I guess you were with Henry. Sipping cappuccinos. You sure as hell were not with me. But that's another story. I look for your lunatic monkey in front of the Tower. There he is waving at me, waving at all the passersby. Waving, just like you taught him. To be friendly. Oblivious. I unchain him with the duplicate key you gave me when you got him. He jumps into my arms, throws his arms around my neck, then covers his head. I race back to the cabbie, who waited for me to free the monkey. The cabbie guns his motor. Our Yellow Checker Cab peels away from the impending collapse of both towers. I could not think then of you bringing the cup of coffee to your lips. ? Fan Ogilvie http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=124 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Feb 8 15:53:42 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:53:42 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Cont. References: <286.5386b36.311aa3d2@aol.com><02fa01c62c53$cac120c0$26b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><013601c62cef$667000e0$66ee3652@ANNY> <014a01c62cf0$95efc610$66ee3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <015d01c62cf1$bf23e920$66ee3652@ANNY> and another one: Susan M. Schultz The Last Modernist for Ben Friedlander The last modernist was unable, finally, to de-center her I. She knew something of the ethics of memory, the ways it led down two paths instead of one, no matter the wetness of the leaves. She knew something, also, of the way the center wobbled, myopic gem in a crusty carriage. But the last modernist carried her I as a talisman (oh ancient word), taking it into her poems as if it still could hold the whole together. While others left their I's on the sidelines, playing the game with what was left (scrap of turf, half a goal-post), she stood beside the heaters throwing slant patterns to herself, herself as self and as performative other. What she couldn't catch became footnotes to the game's partial narrative, more serious even than that. In super slo-mo, her movements took on the quality of the game seen as through an insect's lens, figural, perfect emblem of the I's dispersions, century of its profound disturbance. In the camps, those whose eyes had been damned were called Muselmanner. They lived past the outskirts of the lyric, beyond the camera's eye; even it couldn't gaze on "them," if pronouns there still were. What the lyric had to do with them, or with the undead anywhere, was not her field. She wanted their myths, their meanings, to string them into some perfect imperfect bead. What she could not appropriate would be left as landfill for other, less clarified I's, to pluck up. And yet, when she saw them file out of their camps, citizens of some post-symbolic world, she wept. ? Susan M. Schultz http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=146 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Wed Feb 8 16:59:57 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:59:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Ruth Lilly's millions References: <20060208163807.B356A13CF8@smapp03.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <00b801c62cfb$024ad570$74b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I'm figuring the whole bazillion dollars didn't just go into the website. Actually, I think it's not bad. I'm glad it's there. 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In-Reply-To: <014a01c62cf0$95efc610$66ee3652@ANNY> References: <286.5386b36.311aa3d2@aol.com> <02fa01c62c53$cac120c0$26b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <013601c62cef$667000e0$66ee3652@ANNY> <014a01c62cf0$95efc610$66ee3652@ANNY> Message-ID: <9b1b9dab0602081715w766e8b3bmfced0ee3804ffdf@mail.gmail.com> On 2/8/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > and a prose poem by Fan Ogilvie: > > SATISFACTION GUARANTEED OR YOUR MONKEY BACK I don't really care, but that sure doesn't look much like a prose poem :). Is the label just a way of saying "I paid no attention to line breaks, so you should not either?" And is that true of this poem? c From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Feb 9 07:47:04 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:47:04 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Cont. References: <286.5386b36.311aa3d2@aol.com><02fa01c62c53$cac120c0$26b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><013601c62cef$667000e0$66ee3652@ANNY><014a01c62cf0$95efc610$66ee3652@ANNY> <9b1b9dab0602081715w766e8b3bmfced0ee3804ffdf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001b01c62d76$ee3ec600$16af3252@ANNY> About the true trueness of the poem, I do not know. I usually like all what Fan Ogilvie writes. She sent me some time ago some of her prose-prose work, and also those texts were kind of jewels, From: "Chris Lott" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:15 AM > On 2/8/06, Anny Ballardini wrote: >> >> and a prose poem by Fan Ogilvie: >> >> SATISFACTION GUARANTEED OR YOUR MONKEY BACK > > I don't really care, but that sure doesn't look much like a prose poem > :). Is the label just a way of saying "I paid no attention to line > breaks, so you should not either?" And is that true of this poem? > > c > > From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Feb 9 08:36:37 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:36:37 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Prose Poetry Cont. In-Reply-To: <001b01c62d76$ee3ec600$16af3252@ANNY> References: <286.5386b36.311aa3d2@aol.com><02fa01c62c53$cac120c0$26b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><013601c62cef$667000e0$66ee3652@ANNY><014a01c62cf0$95efc610$66ee3652@ANNY> <9b1b9dab0602081715w766e8b3bmfced0ee3804ffdf@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c62d76$ee3ec600$16af3252@ANNY> Message-ID: <3FBD227D-4EBB-4500-AC61-4A226BA0C2F7@earthlink.net> On Feb 9, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > About the true trueness of the poem, I do not know. Here in the states we call that "truthiness" nowadays. "How strange we are, to call what happens anything at all." --Robert Kelly Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From tad at opus40.org Thu Feb 9 09:44:35 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:44:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Names Writ on Water? References: <20a.120d2ffd.311aabd3@aol.com> <004501c62c82$eee58e30$b9d73152@ANNY> Message-ID: <001201c62d87$58a94140$6801a8c0@OldMoleExpress> A Cemetery of Poets Is in Crisis in Rome By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL, International Herald Tribune ROME - This city's tiny Non-Catholic Cemetery possibly contains the highest density of famous and important bones anywhere in the world: the cramped final resting place of the poets Keats and Shelley, dozens of diplomats, the Bulgari family, Goethe's only son and Antonio Gramsci, a founding father of European Communism, to name a few. The cemetery (in Italian, Cimitero acattolico), also widely known as the Protestant Cemetery, although it contains the graves of Jews and other non-Christians, is the oldest burial ground in continuous use in Europe, conservationists say. More than that, it is hard to think of another urban site quite so glorious - cemetery or no - with towering cypress trees protecting a hodgepodge of elaborate and eclectic graves and monuments, nestled on a hill in the shadows of the Pyramid of Cestius (12 B.C.) and a section of the city's ancient Aurelian wall. "It might make one in love with death, to think that one should be buried in so sweet a place," wrote Shelley, several years before he drowned and was buried here. But today, this precious bit of paradise is decaying and in financial crisis, recently added to the World Monument Fund's 2006 Watch List of the 100 most endangered sites on earth. Many of its important monuments are crumbling like the bones they mark, damaged by pollution and years without archaeological maintenance. The landscape is overgrown, waterlogged by poor drainage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: TheOldMole Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:44 PM A Cemetery of Poets Is in Crisis in Rome By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL, International Herald Tribune ROME - This city's tiny Non-Catholic Cemetery possibly contains the highest density of famous and important bones anywhere in the world: the cramped final resting place of the poets Keats and Shelley, dozens of diplomats, the Bulgari family, Goethe's only son and Antonio Gramsci, a founding father of European Communism, to name a few. The cemetery (in Italian, Cimitero acattolico), also widely known as the Protestant Cemetery, although it contains the graves of Jews and other non-Christians, is the oldest burial ground in continuous use in Europe, conservationists say. More than that, it is hard to think of another urban site quite so glorious - cemetery or no - with towering cypress trees protecting a hodgepodge of elaborate and eclectic graves and monuments, nestled on a hill in the shadows of the Pyramid of Cestius (12 B.C.) and a section of the city's ancient Aurelian wall. "It might make one in love with death, to think that one should be buried in so sweet a place," wrote Shelley, several years before he drowned and was buried here. But today, this precious bit of paradise is decaying and in financial crisis, recently added to the World Monument Fund's 2006 Watch List of the 100 most endangered sites on earth. Many of its important monuments are crumbling like the bones they mark, damaged by pollution and years without archaeological maintenance. The landscape is overgrown, waterlogged by poor drainage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Feb 9 10:30:49 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:30:49 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Names Writ on Water? In-Reply-To: <001201c62d8d$01a8dbc0$312bb750@ANNY> References: <20a.120d2ffd.311aabd3@aol.com><004501c62c82$eee58e30$b9d73152@ANNY> <001201c62d87$58a94140$6801a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <001201c62d8d$01a8dbc0$312bb750@ANNY> Message-ID: Sez I, "Billions for poetry, not one cent for graveyards (or military bands)." Hal Jay Billington Bulworth for President Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Feb 9, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Anny Ballardini wrote: > > What a pity. We should need some other Lilly to protect both > cemeteries and us_ still alive, crumbling apart as the dead, eroded > by taxes, nuisance, disappointments, dictatorial bosses, yuppies, > mad neighbors. > > Besides the little attractive list, I was at Keats and Shelley's > home in Rome, wonderful little rooms with the ancient books in the > library, you can easily imagine a life dedicated to reading and the > arts. > From: TheOldMole > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:44 PM > > > A Cemetery of Poets Is in Crisis in Rome > > By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL, International Herald Tribune > ROME ? This city's tiny Non-Catholic Cemetery possibly contains the > highest density of famous and important bones anywhere in the > world: the cramped final resting place of the poets Keats and > Shelley, dozens of diplomats, the Bulgari family, Goethe's only son > and Antonio Gramsci, a founding father of European Communism, to > name a few. The cemetery (in Italian, Cimitero acattolico), also > widely known as the Protestant Cemetery, although it contains the > graves of Jews and other non-Christians, is the oldest burial > ground in continuous use in Europe, conservationists say. > > More than that, it is hard to think of another urban site quite so > glorious ? cemetery or no ? with towering cypress trees protecting > a hodgepodge of elaborate and eclectic graves and monuments, > nestled on a hill in the shadows of the Pyramid of Cestius (12 > B.C.) and a section of the city's ancient Aurelian wall. > > "It might make one in love with death, to think that one should be > buried in so sweet a place," wrote Shelley, several years before he > drowned and was buried here. > > But today, this precious bit of paradise is decaying and in > financial crisis, recently added to the World Monument Fund's 2006 > Watch List of the 100 most endangered sites on earth. Many of its > important monuments are crumbling like the bones they mark, damaged > by pollution and years without archaeological maintenance. The > landscape is overgrown, waterlogged by poor drainage. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu Thu Feb 9 16:11:44 2006 From: rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu (Richard Wilsnack) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:11:44 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Request: Oguma Hideo In-Reply-To: References: <20a.120d2ffd.311aabd3@aol.com><004501c62c82$eee58e30$b9d73152@ANNY> <001201c62d87$58a94140$6801a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <001201c62d8d$01a8dbc0$312bb750@ANNY> Message-ID: <43EBB010.1010702@medicine.nodak.edu> A brief request: In 1990 the University of Michigan Press published _Long, Long Autumn Nights_, selected poems of the pre-WWII Japanese poet Oguma Hideo, translated by David G. Goodman. If anyone on the list has a copy of the book or has access to one, and has a positive opinion about Hideo's poetry, could that person share with the list one or two of Hideo's [translated] poems that (s)he particularly admires? I'm trying to look before I leap in purchasing a copy of the book, which is unavailable locally, and I thought Hideo might be a poet whom others on the list would also want to learn more about. Richard W. Wilsnack rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu From anny.ballardini at tin.it Thu Feb 9 17:43:09 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:43:09 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Neil Young Message-ID: <005301c62dca$3376df70$70df3052@ANNY> Just listened to _Fresh Air_ with Terry Gross interviewing Neil Young: -- The new concert film "Heart of Gold" features Neil Young performing the songs that he wrote last year, right after he was diagnosed with a brain aneurism. Terry talks with Neil Young and the film's director, Jonathan Demme. For those like me who cannot forget Neil Young but do not remember Film directors, Jonathan Demme directed: Philadelphia (1993) and The Silence of the Lambs (1991) :- -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:--: -- Posted by Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 2/09/2006 11:36:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cstroffo at earthlink.net Thu Feb 9 19:11:01 2006 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino ) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:11:01 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Neil Young Message-ID: <200602092344.k19NiuCT242082@pimout4-ext.prodigy.net> In a related subject, check out the new documentary about TOWNES VAN ZANDT called "Be here To Love Me"----very well could be the best music documentary I've seen (to say nothing of, say, WALK THE LINE).... C ---------- From: "Anny Ballardini" To: "New Poetry" Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Neil Young Date: Thu, Feb 9, 2006, 2:43 PM ??? Just listened to _Fresh Air_ with Terry Gross interviewing Neil Young: -- The new concert film "Heart of Gold" features Neil Young performing the songs that he wrote last year, right after he was diagnosed with a brain aneurism. Terry talks with Neil Young and the film's director, Jonathan Demme. For those like me who cannot forget Neil Young but do not remember Film directors, Jonathan Demme directed: Philadelphia (1993) and The Silence of the Lambs (1991) :- -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:--: -- Posted by Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 2/09/2006 11:36:00 PM _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Feb 9 20:18:13 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:18:13 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Townes Van Zandt In-Reply-To: <200602092344.k19NiuCT242082@pimout4-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: on 2/9/06 6:11 PM, Chris Stroffolino at cstroffo at earthlink.net wrote: In a related subject, check out the new documentary about TOWNES VAN ZANDT called "Be here To Love Me"----very well could be the best music documentary I've seen (to say nothing of, say, WALK THE LINE).... C ---------- Say more, Chris, please! TVZ rules! Is it a career overview, or a snapshot of his sad final days, or what? Lotsa performance footage? In a related note, did everyone note that John Prine won a Grammy last night? There is a God. .. . ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antrobin at clipper.net Thu Feb 9 20:32:02 2006 From: antrobin at clipper.net (Anthony Robinson) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:32:02 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] Neil Young In-Reply-To: <005301c62dca$3376df70$70df3052@ANNY> Message-ID: <01b001c62de1$d5076140$6a00a8c0@Emily> And he also directed Stop Making Sense (1984) Just listened to _Fresh Air_ with Terry Gross interviewing Neil Young: -- The new concert film "Heart of Gold" features Neil Young performing the songs that he wrote last year, right after he was diagnosed with a brain aneurism. Terry talks with Neil Young and the film's director, Jonathan Demme. For those like me who cannot forget Neil Young but do not remember Film directors, Jonathan Demme directed: Philadelphia (1993) and The Silence of the Lambs (1991) :- -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:--: -- Posted by Anny Ballardini to NarcissusWorks at 2/09/2006 11:36:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Thu Feb 9 22:16:23 2006 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:16:23 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Townes Van Zandt Message-ID: <24e.62269a4.311d5f87@aol.com> For any Townes Van Zandt fans, at the AWP Conference in Austin next month, I'll be on a panel paying tribute to TVZ. Others on hte panel will be Jim Clark, David Wojahn, William Olsen, David Daniel and songwriters Jeff Talmadge and Bob Bradley (I'm sure I've left someone out). Al In a message dated 2/9/2006 8:16:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, grahamd at ripon.edu writes: on 2/9/06 6:11 PM, Chris Stroffolino at cstroffo at earthlink.net wrote: In a related subject, check out the new documentary about TOWNES VAN ZANDT called "Be here To Love Me"----very well could be the best music documentary I've seen (to say nothing of, say, WALK THE LINE).... C ---------- Say more, Chris, please! TVZ rules! Is it a career overview, or a snapshot of his sad final days, or what? Lotsa performance footage? In a related note, did everyone note that John Prine won a Grammy last night? There is a God. .. . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthew.shindell at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 23:31:37 2006 From: matthew.shindell at gmail.com (Matthew Shindell) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:31:37 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Lance Phillips on My Vocabulary this Sunday; Lara Glenum and Aase Berg now streaming in the archives. In-Reply-To: <5c3d17030602092028u4a16fd6axfd909daa7494e062@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c3d17030602092028u4a16fd6axfd909daa7494e062@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f273e940602092031j70c9cf32p19873ce6fc631b2e@mail.gmail.com> Tune in this Sunday to My Vocabulary to hear a freshly recorded reading by the poet Lance Phillips. The show is at its usual time -- 4-6pm PST -- live via the internet on UCSD's KSDT radio (http://ksdt.ucsd.edu/). And don't forget to take advantage of the online My Vocabulary archives, where 01/08/06's show has just been set up to stream. Go listen to ACTIONBOOKS poets Lara Glenum and Aase Berg read, accompanied by some really great music (half of which I stole from ACTIONBOOKS co founder and Aase Berg translator Johannes Goransson). Check it out at http://myvocabulary.blogspot.com. See you Sunday! 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But, I'll say more----two words should be suffice--- SEE IT ---------- From: David Graham To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Subject: [New-Poetry] Townes Van Zandt Date: Thu, Feb 9, 2006, 5:18 PM on 2/9/06 6:11 PM, Chris Stroffolino at cstroffo at earthlink.net wrote: In a related subject, check out the new documentary about TOWNES VAN ZANDT called "Be here To Love Me"----very well could be the best music documentary I've seen (to say nothing of, say, WALK THE LINE).... C ---------- Say more, Chris, please! TVZ rules! Is it a career overview, or a snapshot of his sad final days, or what? Lotsa performance footage? In a related note, did everyone note that John Prine won a Grammy last night? There is a God. .. . ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Fri Feb 10 09:13:16 2006 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:13:16 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Townes Van Zandt Message-ID: This will be out on DVD March 14 by the way. Al In a message dated 2/10/2006 9:12:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, cstroffo at earthlink.net writes: David--- there's too much to say right now about it. I feel I have to see it again to sort it out and write about it. But, I'll say more----two words should be suffice--- SEE IT ---------- From: David Graham To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Subject: [New-Poetry] Townes Van Zandt Date: Thu, Feb 9, 2006, 5:18 PM on 2/9/06 6:11 PM, Chris Stroffolino at cstroffo at earthlink.net wrote: In a related subject, check out the new documentary about TOWNES VAN ZANDT called "Be here To Love Me"----very well could be the best music documentary I've seen (to say nothing of, say, WALK THE LINE).... C ---------- Say more, Chris, please! TVZ rules! Is it a career overview, or a snapshot of his sad final days, or what? Lotsa performance footage? In a related note, did everyone note that John Prine won a Grammy last night? There is a God. .. . ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cstroffo at earthlink.net Fri Feb 10 09:44:10 2006 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino ) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:44:10 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] Townes Van Zandt Message-ID: <200602101418.k1AEGZTo065836@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Al--- Probably can't make your panel---though I wish I could afford to make it to Austin this year, but would love to see what you wrote at some point.... Chris ---------- From: AlMaginnes at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Townes Van Zandt Date: Fri, Feb 10, 2006, 6:13 AM This will be out on DVD March 14 by the way. Al In a message dated 2/10/2006 9:12:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, cstroffo at earthlink.net writes: David--- there's too much to say right now about it. I feel I have to see it again to sort it out and write about it. But, I'll say more----two words should be suffice--- SEE IT ---------- From: David Graham To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Subject: [New-Poetry] Townes Van Zandt Date: Thu, Feb 9, 2006, 5:18 PM on 2/9/06 6:11 PM, Chris Stroffolino at cstroffo at earthlink.net wrote: In a related subject, check out the new documentary about TOWNES VAN ZANDT called "Be here To Love Me"----very well could be the best music documentary I've seen (to say nothing of, say, WALK THE LINE).... C ---------- Say more, Chris, please! TVZ rules! Is it a career overview, or a snapshot of his sad final days, or what? Lotsa performance footage? In a related note, did everyone note that John Prine won a Grammy last night? There is a God. .. . ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Feb 11 07:37:11 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:37:11 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Cleveland Vispo Show References: <85.281f95a5.2fc2bb3b@aol.com> Message-ID: <002301c62f07$e20bf9b0$38b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Glad to hear from you, Kaz, because I'm curating a vispo show that will be in Cleveland. It's a job thrust on me that I haven't time for, really--ao I'm not doing it well. For instance, I never thought to tell you about it. I do now, in the hopes you can send one to three pieces of your more visual math poems to the show (automatic acceptance of at least one, but probably all--it depends on how much space we have). Also send me copies e.mail if you can. Deatails including addressing to send to and consignment agreement you need to sign attached. As for the Philistine who couldn't accept math poetry as poetry, I did the same search, same result. I doubt if he composes poetry himself. I have no idea how he got to my blog. --Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I do now, in the hopes you can send one to three pieces of your more visual math poems to the show (automatic acceptance of at least one, but probably all--it depends on how much space we have). Also send me copies e.mail if you can. Deatails including addressing to send to and consignment agreement you need to sign attached. As for the Philistine who couldn't accept math poetry as poetry, I did the same search, same result. I doubt if he composes poetry himself. I have no idea how he got to my blog. --Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On that morning, as the first light spread its white wings across the horizon, Raymond slipped the key into the ignition, started the engine, pulled on the headlights, and transported his beloved Aurora on the back of her favorite car, its golden lights pushing back the darkness of this long highway. David Bengtson from Broken Lines on Today's Writer's almanac -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rose That Grew from Concrete Tupac Shakur, Foreword by Nikki Giovanni, Leila Steinberg (Introduction). I mean, hey! Great company, eh? "As Raymond Chandler said, 'It was one of those days when Los Angeles felt like a rock-hard fig.'" --Monty Python, c.1974 Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sat Feb 11 12:25:35 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:25:35 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The gang I'm running with . . . References: <1A4391FF-CAFC-47B4-846D-80611ED788F9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005001c62f30$2b4bc740$6801a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Good to see you've made it up there with Mattie. ----- Original Message ----- From: Halvard Johnson To: New-Poetry New-Poetry Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] The gang I'm running with . . . Barnes & Nobel this morning informs me that People who bought this book (Guide to the Tokyo Subway) also bought: ? Prophet Kahlil Gibran ? The Iliad and the Odyssey Homer, Samuel Butler (Translator) ? Inferno Dante Alighieri, John Ciardi (Translator) ? Heartsongs Mattie J.T. Stepanek ? Rose That Grew from Concrete Tupac Shakur, Foreword by Nikki Giovanni, Leila Steinberg (Introduction). I mean, hey! Great company, eh? 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Hal Today's Specials Guide to the Tokyo Subway, poems by Halvard Johnson Drivers, short stories by Nathan Leslie Temporary Meaning, poems by James Cervantes The Body Parts Shop, stories by Lynda Schor Now available from Hamilton Stone Editions and FC2 (for Schor) -- and at a website (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Alibris, Powells, etc.) near you. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Feb 11, 2006, at 12:25 PM, TheOldMole wrote: > Good to see you've made it up there with Mattie. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: New-Poetry New-Poetry > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:16 PM > Subject: [New-Poetry] The gang I'm running with . . . > > Barnes & Nobel this morning informs me that > > People who bought this book (Guide to the Tokyo Subway) also bought: > ? > Prophet Kahlil Gibran > ? > The Iliad and the Odyssey Homer, Samuel Butler (Translator) > ? > Inferno Dante Alighieri, John Ciardi (Translator) > ? > Heartsongs Mattie J.T. Stepanek > ? > Rose That Grew from Concrete Tupac Shakur, Foreword by Nikki > Giovanni, Leila Steinberg (Introduction). > > I mean, hey! 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In-Reply-To: <6441BC30-A040-4F81-8363-2DF8750D6E93@earthlink.net> References: <1A4391FF-CAFC-47B4-846D-80611ED788F9@earthlink.net> <005001c62f30$2b4bc740$6801a8c0@OldMoleExpress> <6441BC30-A040-4F81-8363-2DF8750D6E93@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <648208b60602111201r3c7d2c95w530bd615c62969fb@mail.gmail.com> On 2/11/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: > Hey, when I'm fully erect, the top of my head is six feet above > the ground, not under. What more could I want? I wouldn't touch that with a six foot pole. -- Jim Today's Recommendations: Temporary Meaning, poems by James Cervantes Guide to the Tokyo Subway, poems by Halvard Johnson Drivers, short stories by Nathan Leslie The Body Parts Shop, stories by Lynda Schor From hruggier at localnet.com Sat Feb 11 15:11:03 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:11:03 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] The gang I'm running with . . . References: <1A4391FF-CAFC-47B4-846D-80611ED788F9@earthlink.net><005001c62f30$2b4bc740$6801a8c0@OldMoleExpress><6441BC30-A040-4F81-8363-2DF8750D6E93@earthlink.net> <648208b60602111201r3c7d2c95w530bd615c62969fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007801c62f47$497cffb0$3655fea9@Helen> Could I buy a second hand copy of the Guide to the Tokyo Subways? I often got lost in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Cervantes" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &,Views" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The gang I'm running with . . . > On 2/11/06, Halvard Johnson wrote: >> Hey, when I'm fully erect, the top of my head is six feet above >> the ground, not under. What more could I want? > > I wouldn't touch that with a six foot pole. > > -- Jim > > Today's Recommendations: > > Temporary Meaning, poems > by James Cervantes > > Guide to the Tokyo Subway, poems > by Halvard Johnson > > Drivers, short stories > by Nathan Leslie > > The Body Parts Shop, stories > by Lynda Schor > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Feb 11 15:44:41 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:44:41 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] prose pOm References: <002501c62f1f$6add0880$91c93a52@ANNY><023401c62f23$2d7a52f0$38b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> <9b1b9dab0602111141v435ebb3xe98d0fd95c33f669@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <064a01c62f4b$fc699b70$38b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> >> >> Aurora >> >> Today in the paper >> >> I found a text that wasn't a prose poem. > > But how did you decide on that line break, Bob? Whaddya mean, line break, Chris--I started a whole new stanza. --Bob G. From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Feb 11 17:20:14 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:20:14 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] prose pOm References: <002501c62f1f$6add0880$91c93a52@ANNY><023401c62f23$2d7a52f0$38b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc><9b1b9dab0602111141v435ebb3xe98d0fd95c33f669@mail.gmail.com> <064a01c62f4b$fc699b70$38b831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <002401c62f59$552c76d0$91c93a52@ANNY> stanza in Italian is room, I know you know, but it sounds funny to my ears every time_ in Italian you call them _strofe_ which is quite funny also, _scrofe_ (just a c instead of a t, and you have) sows. I lately called them _paragraphs_ in public, which is much better than the previous blunder I made when I introduced M.de Rachewiltz and said of her incredible translations from American into English these the ones people had the sensitivity to report to me, I can't even imagine what I have been saying all along unawares From: "Bob Grumman" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:44 PM >>> >>> Aurora >>> >>> Today in the paper >>> >>> I found a text that wasn't a prose poem. >> >> But how did you decide on that line break, Bob? > > Whaddya mean, line break, Chris--I started a whole new stanza. > > --Bob G. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Feb 11 17:36:35 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:36:35 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fascicle 2 Message-ID: <005f01c62f5b$9d8f6e30$91c93a52@ANNY> Dear Friend, You are invited to check out the second issue of Fascicle (http://www.fascicle.com), an online journal that focuses on a global and historical view of innovative poetry. Included in its 400+ pages: * A portfolio of new poems from China edited by Zhang Er, from the forthcoming Talisman Anthology of Chinese poetry. Focusing on poets born since 1960, this portfolio also features some of the most interesting contemporary poets as contributing translators, including Charles Borkhuis, Caroline Crumpacker, Mark Wallace, Rachel Levitsky and Joseph Donahue. * A supplement to Jed Rasula and Steve McCaffery's Imagining Language (MIT Press 1998), one of the most fascinating and distinctive anthologies of recent memory. The supplement, compiled by Tony Tost, includes an interview with Jed Rasula, as well as poetry, prose and art by Ronald Johnson, Kurt Schwitters, Andre Breton, Edna Sarah Beardsley, Jacob Boehme, Eugene Jolas and others. * A selection of new collaborative work by Lyn Hejinian & Anne Tardos, Aaron McCollough & Kent Johnson, Geraldine Monk & John Donne, Hank Lazer & Pak, Brian Howe & Marcus Slease, among others. * Critical essays and prose, including Lisa Jarnot on Robert Duncan; Tom Orange on Clark Coolidge; Dodie Bellamy on Narrative & Body Language; Laura Moriarty on A Tonalist Thinking; Clayton Eshleman on Hart Crane, Andrew Joron & Jeff Clark; Stan Mir on Brian Kim Stefans; Nate Pritts on Robert Penn Warren; Graham Foust on Poetry's Neighborly Enemy Mind; Morgan Lucas Schuldt on Harryette Mullen; and more. * Peter Cole interviewed by Leonard Schwartz. * Visual work by Anne Tardos, Buck Downs, Cathy Eisenhower, and Michael Winkler. * Plays by Chris Vitiello and Andrew Schelling. * Translations of Francis Ponge (tr. Serge Gavronsky), Laura Sol?rzano (tr. Jen Hofer), Ernst Herbeck (tr. Gary Sullivan), Bertolt Brecht (tr. Pauline Fan), Andrea Zanzotto (tr. Wayne Chambliss), Hans Thill (tr. Tony Frazer), among others. * Poetry and prose by Andrew Joron, Laura Moriarty, Lee Ann Brown, Stephanie Young, Rodrigo Toscano, Brenda Coultas, JL Jacobs, Mary Burger, Carl Martin, Matthew Henriksen, Brenda Iijima, Mairead Byrne, Lance Phillips, and many others. Hope you'll enjoy! Sincerely, Tony Tost __________________________ Fascicle (http://www.fascicle.com) editor: Tony Tost contributing editors: Chris Vitiello Ken Rumble Brent Cunningham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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His poems are included in the landmark new anthology from University of California Press, "The Face of Poetry," edited by Zack Rogow. But living on that same ridge is another poet who has been writing for almost as many decades as Snyder, Steve Sanfield, largely unrecognized in the official canons of American poetry, but whose work is in many respects every bit as masterful as that of his celebrated neighbor. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elemenope at icubed.com Sun Feb 12 02:18:10 2006 From: elemenope at icubed.com (ELEMENOPE Productions) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:18:10 +0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] 3. Re: The gang I'm running with . . . (Halvard Johnson) In-Reply-To: <200602121700.k1CH05Jt030372@wiz.cath.vt.edu> References: <200602121700.k1CH05Jt030372@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:36 -0500 From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The gang I'm running with . . . Hey, when I'm fully erect, the top of my head is six feet above the ground, not under. What more could I want? Hal You can brag but can you deliver? And, then, to whom? Or, what? RD > >****************************************** -- From JforJames at aol.com Sun Feb 12 15:27:21 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:27:21 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Pavement Saw Press Message Message-ID: <26e.594c3cc.3120f429@aol.com> In a message dated 2/9/2006 11:21:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, editor at pavementsaw.org writes: (Mailing List Information, including unsubscription instructions, is located at the end of this message.) This e-zine is an interview with Garin Cycholl regarding his book _Blue Mound to 161_, ISBN 1-886350-97-3, Winner of the Transcontinental Poetry Award, which is available from Pavement Saw Press directly via paypal: info at pavementsaw.org for $13 including shipping. The English Studies Forum characterized this book-length poem as "an unconventional paean to rural Illinois and other points in the American midwest from the early 20th Century up to the present. Alternating verse, prose, and news and dialogue snippets, this poet has designed a quietly fragmented work with a wonderfully strange sense of time-place that?s simultaneously constant and disjointed." A review of the title by Kevin Killian can be found at: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1886350973/sr=8-1/qid=1139501215/ref=pd_bbs_1 /002-5497528-5232857?%5Fencoding=UTF8 Jeff Jarosch, who recently moved to Chicago to conquer their poetry scene, conducted the interview. His poems have appeared in Score, Lost and Found Times, and others; he is best known for serial humor poems about office cubicle work called "While you were out..." Ask him for one if you would like: Jefforama at aol.com Jeff Jarosch interviews Garin Cycholl JJ: Let?s talk a little bit about the structure of the book, black pages separating chapters of the poem, different stories and themes going throughout the book. Tell me about how those came together. Did you start with one story and build on that? GC: I think there was a series of about five poems, five shorter poems that appeared initially. Then, my wife bought me a copy of R. H. Mohlenbrock?s Flora of Southern Illinois, which has, you know, notes in the back of the book. One note described a particular sedge that they?d found in a ditch along Highway 3 in Southern Illinois, a sedge that was native only to the southeastern United States, coastal Georgia and South Carolina, and so it got me thinking about the idea of dislocations in the region. So I just started rethinking the different populations of dislocated things there. There are dislocated grasses and human populations, people who came in to work the coalmines at various points in the early 20th century. There?s geology down there that only appears in Louisiana, on the Bayou. So you go into the very tip of Southern Illinois and you?ve got a place called the ?Little Grand Canyon? (or the ? Garden of the Gods), which has these huge sandstone formations. It looks like the Southwest. And there are other dislocations as well?periods in the spring and fall where they have to close down certain roadways because reptiles, snakes, lizards, and frogs, move from down along the river up into the cliffs, so they are moving too. These ideas of movement, I think, are what initially set up the poem and other kinds of movement and dislocation moved in. For instance, the federal prison that?s at Marion was built to house prisoners who were moved from Alcatraz. And so you?ve got a lot of prisoners, including the first World Trade Center bombers, who were under maximum security, and ended up in Southern Illinois. All these divergent notions of politics under lockdown twenty-three hours a day. The attendant violences that have always been set to boil in the culture and their accompanying dislocations. They are what drive the poem and provide some organizing principles for it. The larger poem seems ruled more by the dislocations than the imposed order. As Maj Ragain reminded me later, ?We all live in a seam between earth and sky. The coal seam just below us.? The poem works there. Judith Vollmer and I talked after she had chosen the poem for the Transcontinental Award and we hit on the idea of black pages together, as a way to segment the poem. I think it works better in the end to do segments and sections. It highlights certain narratives, in the end, that kind of come up and disappear. JJ: Yes they kind of separate the poem while still maintaining it as a single unit. GC: I hoped they wouldn?t be too pretentious. Laurence Sterne?s Tristram Shandy has the famous black page in it. All the type covers the whole face of the page, every possible thing included on the page, totally obscuring it. The black pages in Blue Mound were thought of more as dividers as opposed to being literary homage. They?re set in pages where there are natural points of descent in the poem. Going into the mines or going into the ground, there?s a black page that marks those kinds of divisions. JJ: Do you consider this poem experimental? GC: I think that it, like all poetry, plays around with a couple of things. It plays around with the idea that lyric can still be set up and you can still write a nature poem that investigates and rethinks the idea of landscape and the human connection to it. It also plays around with ideas of epic, picking up on what the poet and translator Charles Boer called ?the annalic.? There, you can take things that are very local and give them epic proportions. These figures that seem common become epic-like in the way the larger poem sets itself up on the page. I think some of the gangsters and miners in the poem kind of carry that kind of weight. Their contentions set up American epics. The plain telling tries to hold onto their gravity. There are times when some of the statements about geology have that same kind of weight too, that annalic weight where they seem to speak a kind of root wisdom in their plainness. I think the play in the poem is between epic and lyric impulses. When I finished the poem, I showed it to Michael Anania and he said, ?Oh, Jesus, you fell into the American trap!? the one of trying to put everything you can think of into a poem. He meant it as both a joke and a warning, but it just seemed that the poem accrued more and more things to it, more and more senses of dislocation the more I wrote and sometimes it felt like a larger story, a larger narrative, an epic kind of thing and sometimes it felt like I was just playing around with figures of landscape and tracing those. The way C.S. Giscombe gets lost in the mapped and sonic dislocations of Giscome Road or ?Look Ahead?Look South.? The other movement in the poem comes out of the two roadways in the title, Blue Mound Road, which is a road that runs south from of my hometown. It crosses the line between Clay and Wayne Counties, then runs into Highway 161, which runs from Mount Erie westward and goes to East St. Louis. It was one of the highways, I think, that was used for running booze during prohibition and today it?s used to run meth. So those two roads hold an epic association with me, a kind of point of entry, for getting to that part of Illinois and ultimately into the South. A friend of mine says that the South starts about six or seven miles south of my hometown. It?s strange, but if you actually do drive that road, you?ll see that the topography and the landscape shift. You go from flat prairie into more rolling hills. It opens up there, in some ways. You go from north to south in just a few miles. I think the poem?s initial impulse is there as well. Making that move. If there?s an experimental impulse to the poem, it comes in the play between the epic and lyrical impulses that gives a gravity to the accumulated fragments, memory in place. JJ: That kind of change or transition is inherent in dislocation. I think the poem is inherently intimate in its focus on the local. GC: I think the stories of the mine violence in the 1920?s in Southern Illinois, in union organizing, those are the kind of stories in American culture that are threatened with disappearance. The poem tries to recast those. Place the history in what you hear, how people make their money, what we remember or deny as a country. The person who comes along for the ride is my great grandfather who came to the United States just after World War I. He was involved in some aspects of that violence, and the family stories and legends are on both sides, so we?re not really sure where he came out. Some say that he was involved in derailing a coal train that?d been loaded by strikebreakers. Others were more ambiguous about his relationship to the companies themselves. The poem is trying to recover and reassert those stories and not let them get away. It became a way for me to try to rethink his history and his biography in the context of coming to the United States, of settling in Springfield and disappearing for weekends down south with whatever activities he was involved in down there. What happened along the road on those trips south. The challenge is in trying to pin down any connected sense of that narrative. It all kind of falls apart in the poem?s fragments. That kind of comes out towards the end of the poem. JJ: So the poem is in some sense a keeping of history? GC: I think so. It?s history where we meet it on the very local, particular level. You know, where we meet the world. But then it plays with the idea that you can go back a million years. I mean, how far back do you have to go? W.G. Sebald, the late German writer sorts through fragments (photographs and maps), reconstructing a sense of the link between memory and history. How far back in history do you have to go to tell an instance of history? The poem plays with that idea. How far back does one need to go to talk about coalmine violence? Do you have to go back to the formation of the coal, the rock, and the geology itself, or can you just think in terms of the social history of the people who?ve come there to mine it? The social, economic, and political contortions that the business put them through? You can?t separate the histories. As Charles Olson showed in The Maximus Poems, they?re inseparable. You have to tell two or more stories at one and the same time -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sun Feb 12 16:01:16 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:01:16 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] 3. Re: The gang I'm running with . . . (HalvardJohnson) References: <200602121700.k1CH05Jt030372@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <004a01c63017$771984e0$6801a8c0@OldMoleExpress> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEMENOPE Productions" To: Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:18 AM Subject: [New-Poetry] 3. Re: The gang I'm running with . . . (HalvardJohnson) > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:20:36 -0500 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] The gang I'm running with . . . > > > Hey, when I'm fully erect, the top of my head is six feet above > the ground, not under. What more could I want? > > Hal > > > > > You can brag but can you deliver? > And, then, to whom? Or, what? > > RD Bring me the head of Halvard Johnson! > >> >>****************************************** > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From tad at opus40.org Sun Feb 12 16:05:07 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:05:07 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Sanfield Selected References: <25e.6bae50f.3120f18e@aol.com> Message-ID: <006d01c63018$01266680$6801a8c0@OldMoleExpress> A longish haiku by Steve Sanfield A "Haiku" for Meltzer in the Manner of His "Sonnets" What's it been old friend? Thirty-eight, thirty-nine, forty years maybe. It started appropriately with birth the birth of your daughters, our son, The Book of Birth sent by you to us at the urging of mutual friend Hirschman and soon after that you came to read in Isla Vista with Jack striding down the aisle in the midst of it shouting, "David, David," celebrating your presence and then the whole gang of us proceeding to The Timberlands (still there) for steak dinners none of us could afford and the conversation began. We started with the meat, the steak, the potatoes but soon moved on to children, family, lovers (past, present, & possible), the joys & difficulties of it all. Thence to being jewish and not being jewish again the joys & difficulties and the possibilities, kabbalah, gemara, midrash, the messiah (real & false). And poetry, of course poetry, always poetry, the words yours, mine, others & the stories (apocryphal, true, maybe) that inform them & keep us interested (Old Dr. Williams confessing his infidelities on what he thought was his death bed but recovering and paying for it for the rest of his life but penning some of his best work in the process.) Books on the table, in the backpack, on the shelves, in the mind, to be read, written, picked apart, created, bought, sold, traded, collected, the madness, obsessiveness to the point that the world outside was blocked by the volumes inside blocking all the windows. Sexuality, sensuality, sacred & profane, a little of each to keep it interesting erotica/pornography depending on the mood to pick you up or slam you down. The news, the gossip, the bad jokes: (D'ya hear about the dyslexic rabbi who at the end of a rough day exclaimed "Yo!") Jazz, blues, classical, country, folk, klezmer, genres that didn't, still don't have a name. First the obvious and swinging into folks I'd never heard or even heard of, now a vital part of my soundscape, your mind like an unwritten encyclopedia. You knew them all, even the ones who never existed, like Blind Orange Adams who was born & died only in the pages of Downbeat. Fame & fortune, its presence, absence & fickleness the humble & not so humble hustle the appreciations, the jealousies, the randomness, the gratitude "there but for the grace of ..." on both ends of the rope. Almost always over food & drink, more drink than food but we had to eat or at least make a pretense of it vast quantities of wine & sake consumed and the precision-like maneuvers we somehow came up with to get us safely home. Heartbreak, heartache, romance, death, loss, the reason for it all, the soul "it always comes round to the soul." In these last years our bodies such a large part of it how to deal with them, nourish them, keep them alive, the pain & courage that accompanies the attempt and back again to the word the vision the heart the hope the quest and each time I would take it or even try to take it to a level you deemed too pompous or serious or maudlin or hopeless or just plain dull you'd, without fail, look up with that sparkle in your voice and begin to sing: "There's no business like show business there's no business I know ..." and properly chastised by the wisdom in the air we'd begin all over again. Amen, brother, amen. ----- Original Message ----- From: JforJames at aol.com To: new-poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Sanfield Selected The Rain Begins Below Selected Slightly Longer Poems 1961-2005 By Steve Sanfield LARKSPUR PRESS; 90 PAGES; $35 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Face of Poetry Edited by Zack Rogow; photographs by Margaretta K. Mitchell UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA PRESS; 354 PAGES; $29.95 PAPERBACK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On San Juan Ridge in the Sierra foothills above Nevada City lives a great American poet: Gary Snyder. He won the Pulitzer Prize in 1975 for his book "Turtle Island" and he has been anthologized about as widely as any living American poet. His poems are included in the landmark new anthology from University of California Press, "The Face of Poetry," edited by Zack Rogow. 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Chris ---------- From: "Anny Ballardini" To: "New Poetry" Subject: [New-Poetry] Pollock on the New York Times Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2006, 2:45 PM Contrary to clich?, Pollock's technique remained so identifiably his own that any dripper automatically seemed to be faking a Pollock. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/12/weekinreview/12kimmel.html?n=Top%2fReferen ce%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fP%2fPollock%2c%20Jackson + comment with slides ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.peverett at ukonline.co.uk Mon Feb 13 07:16:30 2006 From: m.peverett at ukonline.co.uk (m.peverett at ukonline.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:16:30 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] latest from Intercapillary Space Message-ID: <1139832990.43f0789eb4371@webmail.ukonline.net> Our latest features on http://intercapillaryspace.blogspot.com/ are Charles Reznikoff Peter Redgrove John Gallas Randolph Healy Lisa Robertson e j o y ! oh, and if you are interested in Scandinavian poetry then don't miss TYPO 7: SWEDISH INVASION with some fine translations by Johannes G?ransson and others http://www.typomag.com/issue07/ Michael Peverett http://michaelpeverett.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From rsillima at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 07:29:29 2006 From: rsillima at yahoo.com (Ron Silliman) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:29:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Silliman's Blog Message-ID: <20060213122929.21418.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT POSTS What I Heard About Iraq: a day of action The Poetry Tool ? some categories from the Poetry Foundation Wilbur Wood on William Anderson Belgian Prose Poetry and the role of context Arturo Giovannitti ? Bard of the Wobblies An anthology of innovative African-American poetry ? Every Goodbye Ain?t Gone Daisy Fried is the real deal and her new book proves it Women with long lines: Eleni Sikelianos and Mong-Lan Shakespeare on current events Some neglected poets (Darrell Gray and Jack Beeching) Mayakovsky and voice Close reading a bad poem: ?Alligator Dark? by Stephen Dobyns When a 19-year-old creates a dance company: ASH Contemporary Dance in Philadelphia The poetry of Harold Dull http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From clitophon at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 07:39:02 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:39:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Adolph von menzel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060213123902.90232.qmail@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Beautiful Rubbish - the art of Adolph von Menzel > > > > Adolph von Menzel travelled to Dresden from Berlin > in > the late 19th century, and given special permission > to > make sketches of the (recent) baroque antiquities, > began a reconstruction of the era of Frederick the > Great (in other words, the era that directly > followed > the Baroque). Okay, Menzel understands drawing and > painting techniques involved in photographic realism > and practises these techniques a lot. He also > understands the laws of perspective as handed down > from the Renaissance, the discourse of Western > European art. He understands these things and he > knows how to implement them. The evidence is in the > Staatliche Kunstsammlungen in Dresden. > > > > This is the kind of work that makes me thankful for > Van Gogh, Kandinsky, Miro, M?nter and just about > everything else that is worthwhile about art and > creativity. Menzel?s strokes are exceptionally > fine. > However broader strokes, energy, enthusiasm, > intensity, wonderment. They are all missing. A > very > nice Museum exhibition. In some weeks the corpus > of > Menzel?s work will lie in a basement somewhere in > Berlin to be brought out, dusted down and given > another outing in 30 or so years. I hope I?m not > there to see it. > > Paul Murphy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clitophon at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 08:53:54 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:53:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] =?iso-8859-1?q?Dresden=2C_Valentine=B4s_day=2C_1945?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060213135354.41283.qmail@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Herr Bratkartoffeln, yesterday I was in Dresden again, near the FrauenKirche and saw some photos portraying the firebombing of Dresden, photos of the Opfers piled onto a piece of rail track. I was quite offended that these photos werent contextualised with photos of Auschwitz, because anyone who saw these images would come away with the impression that the Allies were barbarians and the German people innocent victims. The photos were quite harrowing but the war was terrible. I?m sure many German people suffered and some of them were innocent, but how can one tell who is definitively innocent from those who were definitively guilty? The world is not measured or calculated in such a way? Surely many bear some responsibility, a few a lot and a very few, none at all. What is your answer to the algebra of responsibility? Do you have an equation that will help me to figure it out? I?m sure there is one, but somehow I don?t think mathematics has the guts or humanity to tell us anything about the little tragedies of each of these opfers, their bodies piled upon the piece of rail track. There was a big demo by neo-Nazis on Samstag in Dresden but the city was very quiet yesterday. best wishes, Herr altev?gel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From JforJames at aol.com Mon Feb 13 21:26:41 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:26:41 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] The Larkin Tapes Message-ID: <100.255f4ccb.312299e1@aol.com> http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=13490 96 Larkin about in the attic...Tapes of poet resurface after 25 years Alexandra Wood TAPES of Philip Larkin reading some of his poetry have been discovered in the loft of a work colleague. The find of the tapes in a Hornsea attic, which are still in excellent condition after 25 years gathering dust, is exciting fans of the poet's work. The tapes were among a huge collection amassed by John Weeks, a former BBC sound engineer who headed the sound department of Hull University, where Larkin was chief librarian for 30 years. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's time to tell you again how much I loved the girl who blushed her welcome. Forgive my trespasses. Stay close. Hold my hand. Literary and Historical Notes: Today is Valentine's Day, the day on which we celebrate romantic love. Every February florists in the United States import several million pounds of roses from South America. About thirty-six million boxes of chocolates will be given as gifts today. The holiday comes, in part, from the ancient Romans' holiday honoring Juno, the goddess of women and marriage, on the night before the Feast of Lupercalia. Roman girls would put slips of paper with their names on them into a clay jar, and the boys would choose their partner for the festival by taking a slip from the jar. This was one of the few times girls and boys were allowed to socialize, and the dancing and games often evolved into courtship and marriage. Tradition has it that Valentine's Day as we know it began sometime in the middle of the third century. Claudius II of Rome was waging several wars and needed to recruit more soldiers for his armies. He thought that many men were reluctant to join because they didn't want to leave their wives and families, and so he temporarily banned engagements and marriages. Saint Valentine was working as a priest at the time and he and his partner Saint Marius broke the law and secretly married couples in small, candlelit rooms, whispering the ceremonial rites. Eventually Saint Valentine was caught and sentenced to death. While awaiting his punishment he would talk with the young daughter of the prison guard whose father allowed her to visit occasionally. Saint Valentine was killed on February 14, 269 A.D., but he had left a note for the guard's daughter, signed, "Love from your Valentine." One of the first people in the history of western literature to publish love poems that he'd written to a specific person was the Roman poet Catullus, who was writing around 50 B.C. He fell in love with an older married woman from a powerful family and wrote a series of poems to her calling her by the name "Lesbia." The man who invented the love sonnet was the Italian poet Petrarch, who fell in love with a woman he called Laura the first time he saw her at church in 1327. They never had a relationship, but he wrote more than 300 love sonnets to her. Fiction writers have been inspired by love as well. While he was working on his novel Madame Bovary, Gustave Flaubert wrote dozens of letters to his lover Louise Colet, describing the writing process. But he also wrote some letters just to tell her how much he missed her. In one letter he wrote, "Twelve hours ago we were still together, and at this very moment yesterday I was holding you in my arms. ... Now the night is soft and warm; I can hear the great tulip tree under my window rustling in the wind, and when I lift my head I see the moon reflected in the river. Your little slippers are in front of me as I write; I keep looking at them." The novelist Vita Sackville-West was inspired by her love affair with Virginia Woolf to write her novel Seducers in Exile (1924). In the middle of that affair, Sackville-West wrote to Woolf, "I just miss you, in a quite simple desperate human way. You, with all your undumb letters, would never write so elementary a phrase. ... But oh my dear, I can't be clever and stand-offish with you: I love you too much for that." Zelda Fitzgerald, the wife of F. Scott Fitzgerald, didn't write much literature in her lifetime, just a novel and a few short stories, but some of her letters to her husband read like love poems. She once wrote: "I look down the tracks and see you coming-and out of every haze and mist your darling rumpled trousers are hurrying to me. Without you, dearest dearest, I couldn't see or hear or feel or think-or live-I love you so, and I'm never in all our lives going to let us be apart another night." Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 09:44:34 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:44:34 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] More on the Death of Poetry Message-ID: <731bb17a0602140644i652d460cyd739f41097818159@mail.gmail.com> >From *The Guardian*: Sales of poetry in Britain last year sank to 890,220 books, the worst performance in years, while sales of fiction soared to 45,772,541. A Book Marketing/TMS survey found that last year 63 per cent of Britons aged 12-74 bought any kind of book, with 34 per cent purchasing fiction and only 1 per cent verse. The state of poetry was questioned by actor and writer Stephen Fry in his recent book *The Ode Less Travelled*, in which he condemned the 'arse-dribble' produced by some modern practitioners. http://books.guardian.co.uk/poetry/features/0,,1697443,00.html Did he just say "arse-dribble?" Wow. Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Tue Feb 14 11:24:02 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:24:02 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Hamilton Stone Review, Issue 8, Winter 2006, Now Online! Message-ID: ********************************************************** Hamilton Stone Review, Issue 8, Winter 2006, Now Online! Featuring fiction by Thaddeus Rutkowski, Raymond Federman, Jason Rice, and Darryl Halbrooks; and poetry by CL Bledsoe, James Cervantes, Jon Leon, Richard Kostelanetz, Harry Nudel, Mary Rising Higgins, Katherine Holmes, Sam Pereira, Alan Sondheim, Bruce Covey, and Cortney Davis. http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr8.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- Submissions to the Hamilton Stone Review Hamilton Stone Review invites submissions of both poetry and fiction for Issue #9, which will be out in June 2006. Poetry submissions should go, only by email, directly to Halvard Johnson at halvard at earthlink.net. 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AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION [Roger Clegg] I had just finished shaking my head over the American Bar Association and the approval over the weekend--by its Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar--of a new standard that would deny law schools accreditation unless they demonstrate a commitment to ?diversity? (i.e., quotas); the full House of Delegates will now vote on this in August. Then the mail came and I opened the latest issue of the Federalist Society?s invaluable ABA Watch, which noted other resolutions that the House was going to vote on over the weekend: urging Congress to create and fund a commission to study the present day effects of American slavery; urging Congress to pass legislation ?to provide federal recognition and to restore self-determination to Native Hawaiians?; opposing legislation limiting same-sex-couple foster parents; etc. I called the Federalist Society and was informed that all had passed. From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Tue Feb 14 08:02:41 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:41 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Turn out the lights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/14/06 6:48 AM, "Paul Lake" wrote: > Turn out the lights. The Enlightenment just ended in Europe. > > http://www.nationalreview.com/stuttaford/stuttaford200602140816.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Here's a Multicultural Conundrum for the Post-Enlightenment era: >From Ron Liddle in the 2/4/06 London Spectator: "One of Britain's top Muslims, the ever-entertaining Sir Iqbal Sacranie, is in trouble for having expressed the wholly orthodox -- and even, by his religion's standards, moderate -- view that homosexuals are 'not acceptable' and 'immoral' and that 'same-sex relationships damage the very foundations of society.' For having come up with this stuff on the BBC's 'PM' programme, he has been investigated by the police for the thought-crime, or, as the police put it these days, hate-crime, of homophobia. "...If Sir Iqbal -- and adherents of the Muslim faith in general -- believe homosexuality to be repugnant, then that is their view, and it is not the business of the government, or the police... to divest them of it. But the Old Bill [=police] are scurrying around to Sir Iqbal's house with a view to prosecuting him for merely articulating one of the fundamental tenets of a religion whose strictures will soon be protected by law. [ i.e. the proposed UK law to criminalize the defamation of Islam] This is, quite literally, madness. The two laws -- one proposed and one already on the statute books -- are in direct, unequivocal opposition. One day we will surely see the prosecution of a gay person for suggesting that Islam is ludicrous and, by dint of its opposition to homosexuality, illegal. And where will we be then?" [John Derbyshire] In short: If it a proper goal of the law to prosecute people who give outrageous offense to groups of their fellow-citizens; and if homosexuals, by their private practices, give outrageous offense to Muslims; and if Muslims, by their abhorrence of homosexuality, give outrageous offense to homosexuals; whom does the state prosecute? From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Tue Feb 14 08:07:25 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:07:25 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Turn out the lights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/14/06 6:56 AM, "Paul Lake" wrote: > On 2/14/06 6:48 AM, "Paul Lake" wrote: > >> Turn out the lights. The Enlightenment just ended in Europe. >> >> http://www.nationalreview.com/stuttaford/stuttaford200602140816.asp >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > Here's some more great news: > > > > > Posted at 03:00 PM > THE HOPELESSLY P.C. AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION [Roger Clegg] > > I had just finished shaking my head over the American Bar Association and > the approval over the weekend--by its Section of Legal Education and > Admissions to the Bar--of a new standard that would deny law schools > accreditation unless they demonstrate a commitment to ?diversity? (i.e., > quotas); the full House of Delegates will now vote on this in August. Then > the mail came and I opened the latest issue of the Federalist Society?s > invaluable ABA Watch, which noted other resolutions that the House was going > to vote on over the weekend: urging Congress to create and fund a commission > to study the present day effects of American slavery; urging Congress to > pass legislation ?to provide federal recognition and to restore > self-determination to Native Hawaiians?; opposing legislation limiting > same-sex-couple foster parents; etc. I called the Federalist Society and was > informed that all had passed. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > I accidentally mailed this to New Poetry . . . The wrong list. Still, the ABA's making quotas mandatory for law school accreditation is rather odd in a PC sort of way, though no serious threat to Enlightenment ideals per se. From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Feb 14 16:06:36 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:06:36 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Turn out the lights References: Message-ID: <002201c631aa$8b0882f0$bfa93452@ANNY> When will those _great news_ end? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Lake" To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Turn out the lights > On 2/14/06 6:56 AM, "Paul Lake" wrote: > >> On 2/14/06 6:48 AM, "Paul Lake" wrote: >> >>> Turn out the lights. The Enlightenment just ended in Europe. >>> >>> http://www.nationalreview.com/stuttaford/stuttaford200602140816.asp >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >> >> >> Here's some more great news: >> >> >> >> >> Posted at 03:00 PM >> THE HOPELESSLY P.C. AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION [Roger Clegg] >> >> I had just finished shaking my head over the American Bar Association and >> the approval over the weekend--by its Section of Legal Education and >> Admissions to the Bar--of a new standard that would deny law schools >> accreditation unless they demonstrate a commitment to ?diversity? (i.e., >> quotas); the full House of Delegates will now vote on this in August. >> Then >> the mail came and I opened the latest issue of the Federalist Society?s >> invaluable ABA Watch, which noted other resolutions that the House was >> going >> to vote on over the weekend: urging Congress to create and fund a >> commission >> to study the present day effects of American slavery; urging Congress to >> pass legislation ?to provide federal recognition and to restore >> self-determination to Native Hawaiians?; opposing legislation limiting >> same-sex-couple foster parents; etc. I called the Federalist Society and >> was >> informed that all had passed. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > I accidentally mailed this to New Poetry . . . The wrong list. Still, the > ABA's making quotas mandatory for law school accreditation is rather odd > in > a PC sort of way, though no serious threat to Enlightenment ideals per se. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From kpaul at mallasch.com Tue Feb 14 16:52:36 2006 From: kpaul at mallasch.com (kpaul mallasch) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:52:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Free Press In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060214165225.O54001@kpaul.spinweb.net> http://www.munciefreepress.com -kpaul On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Paul Lake wrote: > A good article on the courage of abolitionist newspapers in the face of > intimidation by mobs vs. today?s pusillanimous editors facing cartoon rage. > > > http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/758ezbkc.a > sp > > From JforJames at aol.com Tue Feb 14 17:49:19 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:49:19 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Irishman at Wake get Short Listed Message-ID: <1f0.4c2f6759.3123b86f@aol.com> _http://www.wfu.edu/wfunews/2006/021406c.html_ (http://www.wfu.edu/wfunews/2006/021406c.html) Wake Forest poet-in-residence short listed for 'Poetry Now' award By Pam Barrett February 14, 2006 Irish poet and Wake Forest University poet-in-residence Conor O'Callaghan has been short listed for the prestigious 2006 Irish Times Poetry Now award. O'Callaghan was nominated for the prize for his new volume, "Fiction," a book of poetry published in December 2005 by Wake Forest University Press. The Poetry Now award is the only major poetry award in Ireland. It is awarded to the best book of new work published by an Irish poet in the last year. O'Callaghan is one of only five poets considered for the prize. O'Callaghan is from Dundalk, Ireland. He and his wife and fellow poet Vona Groarke are visiting poets-in-residence at Wake Forest through the 2007-2008 academic year. O'Callaghan is also the author of "Seatown and Earlier Poems," published by Wake Forest University Press in 2000, and "Red Mist: Roy Keane and the Football Civil War," a best-selling book about the Irish soccer superstar's banishment from Ireland's World Cup and its effect on Ireland, on O'Callaghan and his football-crazed son. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From clitophon at yahoo.com Wed Feb 15 04:21:09 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:21:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fr=FCher_DDR?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060215092109.55655.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> German is a harder language than Chinese (I?m not sure of this point. opinion varies and I don?t think there is a definitive answer to that. but German is a very difficult language to speak fluently.) are you interested in learning foreign languages? naturally I began by learning German because it is the most difficult European languages then I thought the rest would fall into place, French being the next hardest. (although some say that the Slavonic languages are also v complex. Russian has 6 cases, like Latin, and 2 more than German. Did you learn Latin at school? I suppose you did. Latin would have been such an advantage to me.) My new student started yesterday was ground crew for DDR Migs back in the days of Communism. The Communists, or what?s left of them, are still about. One old boy is in the city centre everyday with his red flag. He cycles into the centre with it. I feel sorry for him. About 20% of the people lost their jobs when Communism went and they clearly want to go back to the old system although the majority may feel differently, it is hard to completely quantify. My student said that the DDR was a nice place for families and the education system was very good since all the profits were ploughed back into education. There was little or no private wealth although it was possible to have a small business and employees but no more than 3 or 4. Obviously with such small numbers of employees, real industry autonomous from the state couldn?t get off the ground, there was no reason to innovate or invent things since there were no profits to be made. a very nice society for people who hate any kind of risk, adventures in thought, for those who like to be told what to do and to do it, for those who want to be a number and live by it, for those who never wanted to say anything about anything but just agree on everything. A very nice society without reality. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From halvard at earthlink.net Wed Feb 15 09:37:54 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:37:54 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] What I Hate (About Harry Whittington) Message-ID: <2188CF10-6379-4C8E-BDCC-602077DAEB40@earthlink.net> What I Hate about Harry Whittington is that by putting himself into Vice President Dick Cheney's line of fire, he has distracted many of us from the Winter Olympics, which, in turn, have distracted us from the Global War on Terror and the shameful response of the Bush Administration to Katrina, both of which themselves distracted us from our losing war efforts in Iraq, which have had the effect of distracting us from our pain over the 9/11 attacks, which (thank God, some would say) distracted us from the collapse of Enron, the possible (no, probable) involvement in that (not to mention the betrayal of Joe Wilson's wife) of the Bush/Cheney Administration, which we, distracted by porn, pro football, baseball, basketball and pay-per-view TV, allowed to come into power by not voting in sufficient numbers to soundly defeat them or coming to grips with what really concerns us, whatever that happens to be. Hal Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Wed Feb 15 03:56:17 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:56:17 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Turn out the lights In-Reply-To: <002201c631aa$8b0882f0$bfa93452@ANNY> Message-ID: On 2/14/06 3:06 PM, "Anny Ballardini" wrote: > When will those _great news_ end? Hopefully, when they stop prosecuting Oriana Fallacci for publishing a book. From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Wed Feb 15 04:57:59 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:57:59 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Free Press In-Reply-To: <20060214165225.O54001@kpaul.spinweb.net> Message-ID: On 2/14/06 3:52 PM, "kpaul mallasch" wrote: > http://www.munciefreepress.com > > -kpaul > > On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Paul Lake wrote: > >> A good article on the courage of abolitionist newspapers in the face of >> intimidation by mobs vs. today?s pusillanimous editors facing cartoon rage. >> >> >> http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/758ezbkc.a >> sp >> >> > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Kpaul, I've linked to the Muncie Free Press and tried to find the right site about the issue of a free press, but so far I can't find it. Can you provide more details or a more specific link? I'd love to see your comment. Paul Lake From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Feb 15 14:40:11 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:40:11 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Turn out the lights References: Message-ID: <001e01c63267$a2e62590$1aa83452@ANNY> I took my distance from Oriana Fallaci when I was 20, and never went back to her again. I do not know if I will, even if yours is an invitation to read her. From: "Paul Lake" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:56 AM > On 2/14/06 3:06 PM, "Anny Ballardini" wrote: > >> When will those _great news_ end? > Hopefully, when they stop prosecuting Oriana Fallacci for publishing a > book. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Wed Feb 15 07:51:45 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:51:45 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Turn out the lights In-Reply-To: <001e01c63267$a2e62590$1aa83452@ANNY> Message-ID: On 2/15/06 1:40 PM, "Anny Ballardini" wrote: > I took my distance from Oriana Fallaci when I was 20, and never went back to > her again. I do not know if I will, even if yours is an invitation to read > her. > > > From: "Paul Lake" > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:56 AM > > >> On 2/14/06 3:06 PM, "Anny Ballardini" wrote: >> >>> When will those _great news_ end? >> Hopefully, when they stop prosecuting Oriana Fallacci for publishing a >> book. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > I read that she was a kind of iconoclastic leftist and only with her new books on Islam has run afoul of the speech crime laws. Paul Lake From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Wed Feb 15 07:56:36 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:56:36 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] About to hit the fan Message-ID: This new gay Muslim movie may provoke the mother of all cartoon riots. Defenders of free artistic expression, man the barricades. The link is to Variety and is available at Drudge. http://www.variety.com/VR1117938165.html From JforJames at aol.com Thu Feb 16 08:58:40 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:58:40 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] 100 Years of American Poetry Broadsides Message-ID: <2d6.2efb56a.3125df10@aol.com> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:18:39 -0500 From: Nancy Kuhl Reply-To: Nancy Kuhl Subject: [Yulibl] Beinecke Exhibition: 100 Years of American Poetry Broadsides To: yulibl at mailman.yale.edu 100 Years of American Poetry Broadsides Through March 28, 2006 A selection of single-sheet poems from the twentieth and twenty-first centuries, including examples ranging from hand printed and illustrated broadsides to commercially printed posters, mimeographed and photocopied flyers, and postcards. Posted on a wall, hung framed like a piece of visual art, or passed hand to hand like a flyer, a poetry broadside invites readers to interact with its text in new ways. The poetry broadside is a relative not only of the visual arts of painting, printmaking, and in some cases collage, but also of the handbill, poster, and leaflet; it serves as a public broadcast of the text it carries, often intended to reach a larger and more diverse audience than book publication might allow. Small or large, finely made or inexpensively produced, broadsides serve to bring American poetry into public spaces beyond the pages of books. By their nature, broadsides celebrate the power of poetry to move, excite, call to action, console, and unite us. Because they are intended to be read in a public context, and not in the intimate and private way one often reads bound pages, broadsides create an immediate community of readers sharing a common text. Nancy Kuhl Assistant Curator, The Yale Collection of American Literature The Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library Yale University 121 Wall Street P.O. 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Perhaps a catalogue? - Jim On 2/16/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:18:39 -0500 > From: Nancy Kuhl > Reply-To: Nancy Kuhl > Subject: [Yulibl] Beinecke Exhibition: 100 Years of American Poetry > Broadsides > To: yulibl at mailman.yale.edu > > 100 Years of American Poetry Broadsides > Through March 28, 2006 > > A selection of single-sheet poems from the twentieth and twenty-first > centuries, including examples ranging from hand printed and illustrated > broadsides to commercially printed posters, mimeographed and photocopied > flyers, and postcards. > > > Posted on a wall, hung framed like a piece of visual art, or passed hand to > hand like a flyer, a poetry broadside invites readers to interact with its > text in new ways. The poetry broadside is a relative not only of the visual > arts of painting, printmaking, and in some cases collage, but also of the > handbill, poster, and leaflet; it serves as a public broadcast of the text > it carries, often intended to reach a larger and more diverse audience than > book publication might allow. Small or large, finely made or > inexpensively > produced, broadsides serve to bring American poetry into public spaces > beyond the pages of books. By their nature, broadsides celebrate the power > of poetry to move, excite, call to action, console, and unite us. Because > they are intended to be read in a public context, and not in the intimate > and private way one often reads bound pages, broadsides create an immediate > community of readers sharing a common text. > > > Nancy Kuhl > Assistant Curator, The Yale Collection of American Literature > The Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library > Yale University > 121 Wall Street > P.O. Box 208240 > New Haven, CT 06520-8240 > Phone: 203.432.2966 > Fax: 203.432.4047 > > > -- Temporary Meaning, ISBN: 0-9714873-4-0 available at Amazon.com, Powell's, Barnes & Noble, or from H A M I L T O N S T O N E E D I T I O N S P.O. Box 43, Maplewood, New Jersey 07040 $14.95 (includes postage) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From clitophon at yahoo.com Thu Feb 16 11:31:54 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:31:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Dr Hegelfisch In-Reply-To: <2d6.2efb56a.3125df10@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060216163154.94340.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mr Hairy fingered Old Git still won?t pass the Opal Fruits. The arthritic Orang Utang he brought on the first day, yes the one that escaped into the tangled web of broken concrete (this barren Stalinoid fortress, my auld school...) has leant in the window and nipped off with his toupee. Now he?s offering me a thesaurus in Euskeda. That lesson on Indo-European, it thwarted his attempts on world domination, it changed the course of a passing second, it altered the snurl on yer moustachioed lippen for ein second. Now I kennen nicht. The generous unpattern that prompted so much is shardly disappearing. Must have done a very good interview. Do you know to get this job I had to change my name from Paul Curlyfly to Robert Zimmerman? That?s an irony, ahistorical monologic. a career. hip hoop hooray. I took the last name from a very important Welsh poet, inverted, turned it through a triple loop and then added my own invention. The Italian for room - hence, Bob Stanzaman, better than Bob Testacle or Bob Germania, another idea I bobbed with. Kant?s hairy chestnutsssssss..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Feb 16 12:50:01 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:50:01 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dr Hegelfisch In-Reply-To: <20060216163154.94340.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just curious: does anyone actually *read* this spam? On 2/16/06 10:31 AM, "Paul Murphy" wrote: > Mr Hairy fingered Old Git still won?t pass the Opal > Fruits. The arthritic Orang Utang he brought on the > first day, yes the one that escaped into the tangled > web of broken concrete (this barren Stalinoid > fortress, my auld school...) has leant in the window > and nipped off with his toupee. Now he?s offering me > a thesaurus in Euskeda. That lesson on > Indo-European, it thwarted his attempts on world > domination, it changed the course of a passing second, > it altered the snurl on yer moustachioed lippen for > ein second. Now I kennen nicht. The generous > unpattern that prompted so much is shardly > disappearing. Must have done a very good interview. > > Do you know to get this job I had to change my name > from Paul Curlyfly to Robert Zimmerman? That?s an > irony, ahistorical monologic. a career. hip hoop > hooray. I took the last name from a very important > Welsh poet, inverted, turned it through a triple loop > and then added my own invention. The Italian for room > - hence, Bob Stanzaman, better than Bob Testacle or > Bob Germania, another idea I bobbed with. > > Kant?s hairy chestnutsssssss..... > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== From tad at opus40.org Thu Feb 16 13:12:57 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:12:57 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dr Hegelfisch References: Message-ID: <003c01c63324$9d49da60$6801a8c0@OldMoleExpress> I liked the part about altering the snurl. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Graham" To: "NewPoetry" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Dr Hegelfisch > Just curious: does anyone actually *read* this spam? > > > > > On 2/16/06 10:31 AM, "Paul Murphy" wrote: > >> Mr Hairy fingered Old Git still won?t pass the Opal >> Fruits. The arthritic Orang Utang he brought on the >> first day, yes the one that escaped into the tangled >> web of broken concrete (this barren Stalinoid >> fortress, my auld school...) has leant in the window >> and nipped off with his toupee. Now he?s offering me >> a thesaurus in Euskeda. That lesson on >> Indo-European, it thwarted his attempts on world >> domination, it changed the course of a passing second, >> it altered the snurl on yer moustachioed lippen for >> ein second. Now I kennen nicht. The generous >> unpattern that prompted so much is shardly >> disappearing. Must have done a very good interview. >> >> Do you know to get this job I had to change my name >> from Paul Curlyfly to Robert Zimmerman? That?s an >> irony, ahistorical monologic. a career. hip hoop >> hooray. I took the last name from a very important >> Welsh poet, inverted, turned it through a triple loop >> and then added my own invention. The Italian for room >> - hence, Bob Stanzaman, better than Bob Testacle or >> Bob Germania, another idea I bobbed with. >> >> Kant?s hairy chestnutsssssss..... >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From gmguddi at ilstu.edu Thu Feb 16 14:08:33 2006 From: gmguddi at ilstu.edu (Gabriel Gudding) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:08:33 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] now on conchology blog Message-ID: <43F4CDB1.6040905@ilstu.edu> http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ - In Praise of Tom Raworth - On the Joy of Translating the Dhammapada - The Principle Gift of Comedy: On the Body as the Basement of the Mind - On the Importance of Being Kind - Why Jennifer "El" Knox Reminds Me of Desiderius Erasmus - My Buttocks Translated into Spanish by Jorge Guitart - Green Integer Book Announcement: Kristin Dykstra's Second Book of Translations of Reina Maria Rodriguez! - MANDORLA #8 NOW AVAILABLE!!! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From halvard at earthlink.net Thu Feb 16 16:44:31 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:44:31 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] RIP Barbara Guest (1920-2006) Message-ID: Send Me a Telegram Will you please? and have it delivered like a pineapple today not yesterday's pineapple but really I would prefer a daily pineapple if you can arrange it I mean with a telegram not always a telegram a yearly one will be sure if it reaches me if first it goes on an air land and later comes to me by foot I will like it better than a telegram read to me over a telephone I would like this new and fresh telegram to arrive with an old- fashioned person dressed in a delivery suit the words will be so contemporary so avant-garde it being you who shall send it but I can discard that idea I should like an ordinary person to deliver my telegram not necessarily in a delivery-suit one must respect tastes and not parenthesize them as telegrams do not risk punctuation and my joy in receiving your words hardly needs embellishment I almost forgot oh genuine you of delicious pineapples thank you in advance as you have always wished. 1965 --Barbara Guest in The Blind See Only This World: Poems for John Weiners [New York: Granary Books, 2000] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From clitophon at yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 09:21:20 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:21:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Ostalgia In-Reply-To: <20060216201547.74524.qmail@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060217142120.17295.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My teaching is fine and I have a good relationship with my students. Yesterday, my student taking the 1b test, told me of his life in the former DDR. At the end of the month a photo of the most productive worker in his factory unit was hung up on the workers? board at his plant. There was no financial incentive for extra productivity, just the prestige and admiration of ones fellow workers. I mentioned Stakhanov, a worker in the Stalinist era in Russia, in the Ukraine, who mined 1000s of tonnes of coal each month and therefore became a model for every worker and miner to aspire to. (I compared Stakhanov to the Nazi ideal of the ?bermensch. Volker didn?t see the comparison, thinking that the Nazi times were much worse, more brutal, violent and that life in the former DDR was poor but generally okay. I tried to compare Nazi iconography and imagery with Stalinist ones, but he refused to see any parallels, even though many have been drawn. Nazi and Soviet icons and images were broadly similar, drawn from the same ideas of populist anti-semitism, workerism, the ?bermensch, employing grandiose images in the context of a realist aesthetic.) He said that at University the regime gave him a compulsory room mate, an Ethiopian, who spoke poor German but excellent English and his local language which had a case system for each letter of its alphabet and was therefore incomprehensible. He was just supposed to get on with this person, as an example of excellent Socialist brotherhood. He said that the Ethiopian did no housework whatsoever, leaving Volker to do everything. I doubted his account of the Ethiopian as more in the tradition of white accounts of lazy niggers but he would not have been allowed to express this opinion in the former DDR. The regime therefore attempted to foster a good Socialist personality whereas the West had a a generally laissez faire attitude to issues of altruism and socialisation. Volker told me that he never saw any brutality from the authorities, nor were people whisked away in the middle of the night by the Stasi. Generally speaking, people who disagreed with the Party line were ignored but there were very few people who (dared ?) do so. Life in the former DDR was one of perpetual slump but there was always enough of the everyday necessities of life. Buying a car or some other luxury item was a different proposition, as was buying a foreign holiday for there was no where to travel to, except to the USSR, which was generally regarded as being very poor and an undesirable holiday destination. Joining the Party meant perks and possibilities of promotion and holidays but only workers were allowed to do so. My student (an electrician) was considered an intellectual. He refused to get involved in the reverse snobbery of the regime. Many people refused to join the Party as a result of the inverted snobbery and hypocrisy they saw. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 09:45:08 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:45:08 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Call for Submissions Message-ID: <731bb17a0602170645m3dd7df7dq881c711de58b5ded@mail.gmail.com> *Call for contributors: *In 2008, Marion Street Press (www.marionstreetpress.com) will publish *Poems, Revised -- A Behind-the-Scenes Look at Writing Poetry.** *We would like you to consider being a part of this book. *Poems, Revised* will be a collection of 50 to 100 poems, each accompanied by a marked-up earlier draft (or drafts) of the poem, along with comments on why and how the poet revised it. We will want you to write about the revisions in the first person ("I changed the third line because it was too repetitive . . . ."). You will have as much space as you need to describe your revisions (though we may need to do some editing). Keep in mind that students will be reading this book, so they should be offered as much detail as possible. We want enough detail to make the text worthwhile. This book will be enjoyable for working and aspiring poets to browse, and it will be a good text for poetry writing courses. Since this text will also be used as a teaching text, we encourage you to describe your revision in the language of the craft: line breaks, line length, meter/rhyme/form (if any), consonance/assonance/alliterati on, metaphor/simile, tone, and so on. We also encourage you to say something about what you're trying to "do" in or with the poem -- what is the project of the poem. We will include a brief biography on each poet selected for this volume. You can mention your profession, places your poems have appeared, and books written. (We also reserve the right to edit biographies.) To all poets whose poems, revisions, and comments are accepted, we can offer $25, or $50 worth of Marion Street Press books, as well as two copies of *Poems, Revised*. You will retain the copyright to your poems and other material, but we will register the copyright of the entire work under Marion Street Press, Inc. If you are interested in being included in *Poems, Revised,* please let me know. This letter is my invitation to you to submit your poem, earlier versions, comments, and bio. Material is best sent in a Microsoft Word document though other formats will likely be acceptable also. You may email your materials to *editor at vocabula.com* (please use Poems, Revised in the subject line) or mail them to: Robert Hartwell Fiske Poems, Revised 5A Holbrook Court Rockport, MA 01966 All submissions must be postmarked by September 30, 2006. 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But if we wish to consider the use or influence of poetry itself, we must think of the possibility that it might influence speech--as, at times, it has. --Wendell Berry, "Notes: Unspecializing Poetry" *Standing by Words: Essays*, Shoemaker & Hoard Edition, 2005 Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jforjames at aol.com Fri Feb 17 11:44:59 2006 From: jforjames at aol.com (jforjames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:44:59 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0602170729w44010be4ya9d35bd671ef371@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0602170729w44010be4ya9d35bd671ef371@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C801F8A059C596-1148-6C6B@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> Anny, this a good quote for "What is poetry for..." page. Finnnegan -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Newberry To: NewPoetry Sent: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:29:40 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Wendell Berry We are aware of poetry meandering from the influence of literature to that of "living speech." The best poets have resolved this, of course, by accepting both influences. But if we wish to consider the use or influence of poetry itself, we must think of the possibility that it might influence speech--as, at times, it has. --Wendell Berry, "Notes: Unspecializing Poetry" Standing by Words: Essays, Shoemaker & Hoard Edition, 2005 Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But if we wish to consider the use or influence of poetry itself, we must think of the possibility that it might influence speech--as, at times, it has. --Wendell Berry, "Notes: Unspecializing Poetry" Standing by Words: Essays, Shoemaker & Hoard Edition, 2005 Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My picks: Simon Cowell = August Kleinzahler Paula Abdul = Molly Peacock Randy Jackson = Kevin Young Other picks included: Cowell = Bob Grumman, William Logan Abdul = Diane Thiel, Judith Ortiz Cofer Jackson = Michael S. Harper or maybe Billy Collins This is all a joke, you understand--just fun. We weren't being insulting. I also nominted Bob for judge precisely because I think that Bob is a very astute, precise, and truthful critic. What are your thoughts, if you want to play my juvenile game? (Note: this is a fun parlor game for a few friends and a a bottle or two of Merlot or Cab) Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They keep me regular." --Paul Violi Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Feb 17, 2006, at 5:37 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Last night, some friends of mine and I were drinking some beers and > discussing what poetry submissions would be like if they were > handled like the American Idol auditions on telelvision. > > Note that this discussion suggests two things 1) that my friends > and I are aware of American Idol and 2) that my friends and I have > watched it enough to be able to participate in said discussion. > > For this crassness and lack of couth, I apologize. > > We discussed who would be the Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul, and Randy > Jackson of contemporary American poetry. My picks: > > Simon Cowell = August Kleinzahler > > Paula Abdul = Molly Peacock > > Randy Jackson = Kevin Young > > Other picks included: > > Cowell = Bob Grumman, William Logan > Abdul = Diane Thiel, Judith Ortiz Cofer > Jackson = Michael S. Harper or maybe Billy Collins > > This is all a joke, you understand--just fun. We weren't being > insulting. I also nominted Bob for judge precisely because I think > that Bob is a very astute, precise, and truthful critic. > > What are your thoughts, if you want to play my juvenile game? > (Note: this is a fun parlor game for a few friends and a a bottle > or two of Merlot or Cab) > > Jeff Newberry > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We discussed who would be the Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul, and Randy Jackson of contemporary American poetry. My picks: Simon Cowell = August Kleinzahler Paula Abdul = Molly Peacock Randy Jackson = Kevin Young Other picks included: Cowell = Bob Grumman, William Logan Abdul = Diane Thiel, Judith Ortiz Cofer Jackson = Michael S. Harper or maybe Billy Collins This is all a joke, you understand--just fun. We weren't being insulting. I also nominted Bob for judge precisely because I think that Bob is a very astute, precise, and truthful critic. What are your thoughts, if you want to play my juvenile game? 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My picks: > > Simon Cowell = August Kleinzahler > > Paula Abdul = Molly Peacock > > Randy Jackson = Kevin Young > > Other picks included: > > Cowell = Bob Grumman, William Logan > Abdul = Diane Thiel, Judith Ortiz Cofer > Jackson = Michael S. Harper or maybe Billy Collins > > This is all a joke, you understand--just fun. We weren't being insulting. > I also nominted Bob for judge precisely because I think that Bob is a very > astute, precise, and truthful critic. > > What are your thoughts, if you want to play my juvenile game? (Note: this > is a fun parlor game for a few friends and a a bottle or two of Merlot or > Cab) > > Jeff Newberry > Next you'll have us worrying about Dancing with the Poets, hosted by Rita Dove and Phil Levine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My picks: > > Simon Cowell = August Kleinzahler > > Paula Abdul = Molly Peacock > > Randy Jackson = Kevin Young > > Other picks included: > > Cowell = Bob Grumman, William Logan > Abdul = Diane Thiel, Judith Ortiz Cofer > Jackson = Michael S. Harper or maybe Billy Collins > > This is all a joke, you understand--just fun. We weren't being insulting. > I also nominted Bob for judge precisely because I think that Bob is a very > astute, precise, and truthful critic. > > What are your thoughts, if you want to play my juvenile game? (Note: this > is a fun parlor game for a few friends and a a bottle or two of Merlot or > Cab) > > Jeff Newberry > Or maybe Rita Dove and Dana Gioia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 19:11:17 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:11:17 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Showing my Lack of Culture In-Reply-To: <2ba.4c5ba4d.3127b855@cs.com> References: <2ba.4c5ba4d.3127b855@cs.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0602171611v10255871k40cbd173499b96d2@mail.gmail.com> No way! Phil Levine would most defintely host "Survivor: Ivy League Edition." Jeff Newberry On 2/17/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/17/2006 4:37:58 PM Central Standard Time, > jeff.newberry at gmail.com writes: > > > Last night, some friends of mine and I were drinking some beers and > discussing what poetry submissions would be like if they were handled like > the American Idol auditions on telelvision. > > Note that this discussion suggests two things 1) that my friends and I are > aware of American Idol and 2) that my friends and I have watched it enough > to be able to participate in said discussion. > > For this crassness and lack of couth, I apologize. > > We discussed who would be the Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul, and Randy Jackson > of contemporary American poetry. My picks: > > Simon Cowell = August Kleinzahler > > Paula Abdul = Molly Peacock > > Randy Jackson = Kevin Young > > Other picks included: > > Cowell = Bob Grumman, William Logan > Abdul = Diane Thiel, Judith Ortiz Cofer > Jackson = Michael S. Harper or maybe Billy Collins > > This is all a joke, you understand--just fun. We weren't being > insulting. I also nominted Bob for judge precisely because I think that Bob > is a very astute, precise, and truthful critic. > > What are your thoughts, if you want to play my juvenile game? (Note: > this is a fun parlor game for a few friends and a a bottle or two of Merlot > or Cab) > > Jeff Newberry > > > Next you'll have us worrying about *Dancing with the Poets*, hosted by > Rita Dove and Phil Levine. > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From clitophon at yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 05:38:10 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:38:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] even more Ostalgia In-Reply-To: <20060217142120.17295.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060218103810.73011.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> capitalism make an advertisement that says ?greed is good? (remember the film ?Wall Street?) but the disturbing hypocrisy and double dealing of the comrades must have been pitiful. Looks like they couldn?t tolerate any competition for an alternate intelligentsia. For all that they still achieved so much and defeated Hitler. There?s a very good article about present-day Commie bashing in Thursday?s Guardian which you should read. It just about sums up the successes and failures of the Socialist project. Have you read the new biography of Mao by Yang Chung? Bush recommends it but specialists have called it ?misleading?. I don?t think The Party is the passport to ambition and greed under Capitalism. Maybe the parties since there are more than one (ie two). Britain?s first past the post system always results in electoral dictatorship. The only difference between that and a Stalinist one party state is the right to say it, but that doesnt mean much, ie the right to be ignored. In Germany, the PR system means that there is a certain guarantee of rather more freedom especially in the bigger cities where socialism of a democratic kind has some roots and water. In the East Socialism is a non-starter. The PDS (former Communists) are regarded as the Party of the Left. The SPD and the Greens are largely ignored (about 10% of the vote). Lots of people (surprise, surprise) vote CDU (about 45%) probably because they are quite politically naive and think that conservatives look and sound good, reliable and plausible. The far right is also strong. They poll about 10% of the vote but are ignored in the West. In the West most votes go to the SPD\Greens and then to the CDU. The other party in the West are the Liberals and the Linkspartei. Germany now has two strong left parties, the SPD and the Linkspartei, so there is definite competition for power. not so in Britain, where no party to the left of the Labour Party ever got a look in. But German right-wing parties now share the same ground as Blair which is why I am currently glad to be in Germany, not Britain. I think it is really sad the way that the UK has gone. After Thatcher I thought there would be a concomitant swing to the Left but that never happened. Blair momentarily went to the Left but then swung back even further to the right. Blair is an Eton and Oxford educated objectionable little worm. I?m not fooled by him at all. He is a sleazy little gangster and a spiv. But Bush is worse. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Feb 18 10:15:28 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:15:28 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Dr Hegelfisch References: Message-ID: <010f01c6349e$2956a860$4eb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> > Just curious: does anyone actually *read* this spam? Now, I have. Woldn't have without your recommendation, David. My opinion of Paul is pretty low but I thought his poem sort of fun. --Bob > On 2/16/06 10:31 AM, "Paul Murphy" wrote: > >> Mr Hairy fingered Old Git still won?t pass the Opal >> Fruits. The arthritic Orang Utang he brought on the >> first day, yes the one that escaped into the tangled >> web of broken concrete (this barren Stalinoid >> fortress, my auld school...) has leant in the window >> and nipped off with his toupee. Now he?s offering me >> a thesaurus in Euskeda. That lesson on >> Indo-European, it thwarted his attempts on world >> domination, it changed the course of a passing second, >> it altered the snurl on yer moustachioed lippen for >> ein second. Now I kennen nicht. The generous >> unpattern that prompted so much is shardly >> disappearing. Must have done a very good interview. >> >> Do you know to get this job I had to change my name >> from Paul Curlyfly to Robert Zimmerman? That?s an >> irony, ahistorical monologic. a career. hip hoop >> hooray. I took the last name from a very important >> Welsh poet, inverted, turned it through a triple loop >> and then added my own invention. The Italian for room >> - hence, Bob Stanzaman, better than Bob Testacle or >> Bob Germania, another idea I bobbed with. >> >> Kant?s hairy chestnutsssssss..... >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > From JforJames at aol.com Sat Feb 18 12:54:09 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:54:09 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] They're putting poets in zoos Message-ID: <96.36989e29.3128b941@aol.com> In a message dated 2/8/2006 5:33:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, announce at poetshouse.org writes: An Environmental Imagination Field Institute with Sandra Alcosser Saturdays, April 22-May 27, 1-4pm At Poets House and Central Park Zoo $425, Space is limited Applications must be received by March 17 Follow in the words of Federico Garcia Lorca and Marianne Moore into the presence of Central Park's Zoological Gardens. 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Trueblood > > I know (or knew, he may have passed away) the translator...a lovely man. > Posit: people who love gardens, or engage in gardening (as Alan did), > have a penchant for poetry. > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now he?s > offering me > >> a thesaurus in Euskeda. That lesson on > >> Indo-European, it thwarted his attempts on world > >> domination, it changed the course of a passing > second, > >> it altered the snurl on yer moustachioed lippen > for > >> ein second. Now I kennen nicht. The generous > >> unpattern that prompted so much is shardly > >> disappearing. Must have done a very good > interview. > >> > >> Do you know to get this job I had to change my > name > >> from Paul Curlyfly to Robert Zimmerman? That?s > an > >> irony, ahistorical monologic. a career. hip hoop > >> hooray. I took the last name from a very > important > >> Welsh poet, inverted, turned it through a triple > loop > >> and then added my own invention. The Italian for > room > >> - hence, Bob Stanzaman, better than Bob Testacle > or > >> Bob Germania, another idea I bobbed with. > >> > >> Kant?s hairy chestnutsssssss..... > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > ==================================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > Poetry Library: > > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > > ==================================================== > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From JforJames at aol.com Sat Feb 18 16:03:16 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:03:16 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] ED on Poetica Message-ID: <211.12d76f2b.3128e594@aol.com> _http://www.abc.net.au/rn/arts/poetica/stories/s1546475.htm_ (http://www.abc.net.au/rn/arts/poetica/stories/s1546475.htm) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sat Feb 18 16:43:22 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:43:22 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] FGL Message-ID: <278.51ad4af.3128eefa@aol.com> In a message dated 2/18/2006 3:59:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jeff.newberry at gmail.com writes: I have Trueblood's translation of Machado. I like it much, much more than I like the Border of a Dream anthology that came out last year (?). Don't know who that translator was . . . Jeff, the Trueblood Machado is a good one; and I don't have Border of a Dream to compare. But I have another posit: We fall in love with the first translations of a poet's work that we encounter; and most of the other/later translations we come across strike us as pale or somehow inferior. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 17:01:19 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:01:19 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Fw: [NarcissusWorks] FGL In-Reply-To: <278.51ad4af.3128eefa@aol.com> References: <278.51ad4af.3128eefa@aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0602181401y5f110975i522e36ab3a75f064@mail.gmail.com> Jim, You're probably right. For instance, I have Wallace Fowlie's translation of Rimbaud. But several of my more learned peers have assured me that better translations exist. I'm also partial to Richard Lattimore's *Iliad. *Same thing, though--friends and peers tell me that Fitzgerald's is better. Jeff Newberry On 2/18/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/18/2006 3:59:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jeff.newberry at gmail.com writes: > > I have Trueblood's translation of Machado. I like it much, much more than > I like the *Border of a Dream* anthology that came out last year (?). > > Don't know who that translator was . . . > > Jeff, the Trueblood Machado is a good one; and I don't have Border of a > Dream > to compare. > But I have another posit: We fall in love with the first translations of a > poet's work > that we encounter; and most of the other/later translations we come > across > strike us as pale or somehow inferior. > Finnegan > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The God Forsakes Antony When suddenly at the midnight hour an invisible troupe is heard passing with exquisite music, with shouts-- do not mourn in vain your fortune failing you now, your works that have failed, the plans of your life that have all turned out to be illusions. As if long prepared for this, as if courageous, bid her farewell, the Alexandria that is leaving. Above all do not be fooled, do not tell yourself it was only a dream, that your ears deceived you; do not stoop to such vain hopes. As if long prepared for this, as if courageous, as it becomes you who are worthy of such a city; approach the window with firm step, and listen with emotion, but not with the entreaties and complaints of the coward, as a last enjoyment listen to the sounds, the exquisite instruments of the mystical troupe, and bid her farewell, the Alexandria you are losing. -- The God Abandons Antony When suddenly, at midnight, you hear an invisible procession going by with exquisite music, voices, don?t mourn your luck that?s failing now, work gone wrong, your plans all proving deceptive?don?t mourn them uselessly. As one long prepared, and graced with courage, say goodbye to her, the Alexandria that is leaving. Above all, don?t fool yourself, don?t say it was a dream, your ears deceived you: don?t degrade yourself with empty hopes like these. As one long prepared, and graced with courage, as is right for you who were given this kind of city, go firmly to the window and listen with deep emotion, but not with the whining, the pleas of a crowd; listen?your final delectation?to the voices, to the exquisite music of that strange procession, and say goodbye to the her, to the Alexandria you are losing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sat Feb 18 19:19:04 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:19:04 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: RIP Barbara Guest (1920-2006) Message-ID: <263.5f63f7d.31291378@aol.com> Hal or anyone else on the list, has there been an obit released/posted? I saw her read a few years ago at Wesleyan U. Her poetry is a mystery to me...but an intriguing mystery. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Sat Feb 18 20:40:26 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:40:26 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: RIP Barbara Guest (1920-2006) In-Reply-To: <263.5f63f7d.31291378@aol.com> References: <263.5f63f7d.31291378@aol.com> Message-ID: <88B6684B-3E19-4606-A89C-3DC568238306@earthlink.net> I haven't seen one, James, but they'll be along. Btw, I love those poems that remain mysteries. It's the ones that don't that are problematic. Hal Today's special: Hamilton Stone Review 8, Winter 2006 http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr8.html Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Feb 18, 2006, at 7:19 PM, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > Hal or anyone else on the list, has there been an obit > released/posted? I saw her read a few years ago at Wesleyan U. > Her poetry is a mystery to me...but an intriguing mystery. > Finnegan > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net Sat Feb 18 21:03:49 2006 From: bobgrumman at nut-n-but.net (Bob Grumman) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:03:49 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: RIP Barbara Guest (1920-2006) References: <263.5f63f7d.31291378@aol.com> <88B6684B-3E19-4606-A89C-3DC568238306@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02c801c634f8$baa6b8a0$4eb831d0@youro0kwkw9jwc> I haven't seen one, James, but they'll be along. Btw, I love those poems that remain mysteries. It's the ones that don't that are problematic. 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(Baudelaire would have many quoted by me, as Hoelderlin might have several passages, and) but I remember my astonished surprise when 16 I read this poem accompanied by the critical text and the teacher talking of corr?spondances and me broadening the concept ad infinitum: Voyelles A noir, E blanc, I rouge, U vert, O bleu : voyelles, Je dirai quelque jour vos naissances latentes : A, noir corset velu des mouches ?clatantes Qui bombinent autour des puanteurs cruelles, Golfes d'ombre ; E, candeurs des vapeurs et des tentes, Lances des glaciers fiers, rois blancs, frissons d'ombelles ; I, pourpres, sang crach?, rire des l?vres belles Dans la col?re ou les ivresses p?nitentes ; U, cycles, vibrement divins des mers virides, Paix des p?tis sem?s d'animaux, paix des rides Que l'alchimie imprime aux grands fronts studieux ; O, supr?me Clairon plein des strideurs ?tranges, Silences travers?s des Mondes et des Anges : - O l'Om?ga, rayon violet de Ses Yeux ! Arthur Rimbaud From: JforJames at aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:38 AM A quiz with one right answer...What poem is the better poem (translation is beside the point)... The God Forsakes Antony When suddenly at the midnight hour an invisible troupe is heard passing with exquisite music, with shouts-- do not mourn in vain your fortune failing you now, your works that have failed, the plans of your life that have all turned out to be illusions. As if long prepared for this, as if courageous, bid her farewell, the Alexandria that is leaving. Above all do not be fooled, do not tell yourself it was only a dream, that your ears deceived you; do not stoop to such vain hopes. As if long prepared for this, as if courageous, as it becomes you who are worthy of such a city; approach the window with firm step, and listen with emotion, but not with the entreaties and complaints of the coward, as a last enjoyment listen to the sounds, the exquisite instruments of the mystical troupe, and bid her farewell, the Alexandria you are losing. -- The God Abandons Antony When suddenly, at midnight, you hear an invisible procession going by with exquisite music, voices, don?t mourn your luck that?s failing now, work gone wrong, your plans all proving deceptive?don?t mourn them uselessly. As one long prepared, and graced with courage, say goodbye to her, the Alexandria that is leaving. Above all, don?t fool yourself, don?t say it was a dream, your ears deceived you: don?t degrade yourself with empty hopes like these. As one long prepared, and graced with courage, as is right for you who were given this kind of city, go firmly to the window and listen with deep emotion, but not with the whining, the pleas of a crowd; listen?your final delectation?to the voices, to the exquisite music of that strange procession, and say goodbye to the her, to the Alexandria you are losing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Sun Feb 19 10:54:19 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:54:19 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Perillo Tufts It Out Message-ID: <29.288c53b.3129eeab@aol.com> _http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_3525267_ (http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_3525267) But you know what? Last week I had a revelation in the form of a book in the mail: Poetry is the best. I ought to read poetry more often. You ought to read poetry way more often. And this book, by Lucia Perillo, who gave it the swell title of "Luck is Luck," is not only fun to read, funny and wildly well written - it has the astounding good fortune to combine poetry with money. That's because a panel put together at the Claremont Graduate University just gave it the 2006 Kingsley Tufts Poetry Award. It's the best award an American poet can get: $100,000. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's because a panel put together at the Claremont Graduate University just gave it the 2006 Kingsley Tufts Poetry Award. It's the best award an American poet can get: $100,000. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sun Feb 19 11:16:16 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:16:16 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] A is for Apple Message-ID: <002c01c6356f$cfabe9b0$cf8d3052@ANNY> >From Jim Andrews on the Buffalo: http://aisforapple.net "'A is for Apple' is an interactive [Flash] work that investigates a cryptography of the apple. Using an ever expanding series of associative links, the work looks for hidden meanings, coincidences and insights that stem from the apple. This leads to a tangled web of references from western metaphysics, popular culture, the history of cryptography, ideas of language, and psychoanalytic theory." By David Clark, David Whynot, Randy Knott, Ron Gervais from Canada. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Sun Feb 19 15:44:38 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:44:38 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Chapbooks? Message-ID: <731bb17a0602191244q42648adao34af2303c814e29e@mail.gmail.com> If anyone knows of one, of ANY one, would he or she please mind posting a link to some information about a chapbook competition? Or backchannel me. Either way. I'd be much obliged. I'm trying to find a place to send mine, but I'm at a loss right now. Thanks, Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You might also take a look at Pudding House, which has a very active & extensive list of chaps. http://www.puddinghouse.com/ On Feb 19, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > If anyone knows of one, of ANY one, would he or she please mind > posting a link to some information about a chapbook competition? > > Or backchannel me. Either way. I'd be much obliged. > > I'm trying to find a place to send mine, but I'm at a loss right now. > > Thanks, > > Jeff Newberry > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tad at opus40.org Sun Feb 19 17:41:51 2006 From: tad at opus40.org (TheOldMole) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:41:51 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Chapbooks? References: <731bb17a0602191244q42648adao34af2303c814e29e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001c01c635a5$adea0970$6501a8c0@OldMoleExpress> Poets and Writers always has a few. http://www.pw.org/mag/classifieds.htm#chap ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Newberry To: NewPoetry Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: [New-Poetry] Chapbooks? If anyone knows of one, of ANY one, would he or she please mind posting a link to some information about a chapbook competition? Or backchannel me. Either way. I'd be much obliged. I'm trying to find a place to send mine, but I'm at a loss right now. 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Our public radio stations in Wisconsin don't carry the program on the weekends, but text and streaming audio are available and archived on their web site: http://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/programs/2006/02/13/#sunday ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Mon Feb 20 09:12:13 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:12:13 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Writer's Almanac Message-ID: <1c8.3b163925.312b283d@aol.com> In a message dated 2/20/2006 1:30:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, GrahamD at ripon.edu writes: A poem of mine was featured yesterday (Sunday) on Garrison Keillor's Writer's Almanac. Our public radio stations in Wisconsin don't carry the program on the weekends, but text and streaming audio are available and archived on their web site: _http://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/programs/2006/02/13/#sunday_ (http://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/programs/2006/02/13/#sunday) Congrats on that, David. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amparker at davidson.edu Mon Feb 20 09:13:53 2006 From: amparker at davidson.edu (Parker, Alan Michael) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:13:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] nicework Message-ID: Nice one, David. Congrats. - Alan Michael Parker From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Mon Feb 20 09:24:34 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:24:34 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Writer's Almanac Message-ID: <1ad.479d9d6c.312b2b22@cs.com> WTG, David! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bard of the Wobblies An anthology of innovative African-American poetry ??? Every Goodbye Ain???t Gone Daisy Fried is the real deal and her new book proves it http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From mandolin at mac.com Mon Feb 20 10:57:37 2006 From: mandolin at mac.com (Michael Snider) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:57:37 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Writer's Almanac -- and Commonplace Books In-Reply-To: <1802DFA5-0AA1-477F-BB05-55BF775DAD45@ripon.edu> References: <1802DFA5-0AA1-477F-BB05-55BF775DAD45@ripon.edu> Message-ID: On Feb 20, 2006, at 1:33 AM, David Graham wrote: > A poem of mine was featured yesterday (Sunday) on Garrison > Keillor's Writer's Almanac. > > Our public radio stations in Wisconsin don't carry the program on > the weekends, but text and streaming audio are available and > archived on their web site: > > http://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/programs/2006/02/13/#sunday Congratulations, David! The poem's too close to home for me to trust my reaction, but I've saved it to my commonplace file. Does anyone else still keep such a thing? Before I read Auden's "A Certain World" I didn't know they existed. From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Mon Feb 20 03:50:57 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:50:57 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Showing my Lack of Culture In-Reply-To: <2ba.4c5ba4d.3127b855@cs.com> Message-ID: On 2/17/06 5:37 PM, "Rsgwynn1 at cs.com" wrote: > In a message dated 2/17/2006 4:37:58 PM Central Standard Time, > jeff.newberry at gmail.com writes: >> >> Last night, some friends of mine and I were drinking some beers and >> discussing what poetry submissions would be like if they were handled like >> the American Idol auditions on telelvision. >> >> Note that this discussion suggests two things 1) that my friends and I are >> aware of American Idol and 2) that my friends and I have watched it enough to >> be able to participate in said discussion. >> >> For this crassness and lack of couth, I apologize. >> >> We discussed who would be the Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul, and Randy Jackson of >> contemporary American poetry. My picks: >> >> Simon Cowell = August Kleinzahler >> >> Paula Abdul = Molly Peacock >> >> Randy Jackson = Kevin Young >> >> Other picks included: >> >> Cowell = Bob Grumman, William Logan >> Abdul = Diane Thiel, Judith Ortiz Cofer >> Jackson = Michael S. Harper or maybe Billy Collins >> >> This is all a joke, you understand--just fun. We weren't being insulting. I >> also nominted Bob for judge precisely because I think that Bob is a very >> astute, precise, and truthful critic. >> >> What are your thoughts, if you want to play my juvenile game? (Note: this >> is a fun parlor game for a few friends and a a bottle or two of Merlot or >> Cab) >> >> Jeff Newberry > > Next you'll have us worrying about Dancing with the Poets, hosted by Rita Dove > and Phil Levine. > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Or maybe Survival of the poets, starring all of us duking it out on a desert island. Paul Lake -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sandra Alcosser, Central Park >> Zoo's poet-in-residence, will lead participants through six acres and across >> twenty-seven centuries of poetry, introducing a world of international poetry >> and biological field studies about animals and their environment ? ex and in >> situ. The expedition will begin and end at Poets House with the four >> intermediary sessions spent writing poems and field notes at the Central Park >> Zoo. Both poets and naturalists are encouraged to apply. >> >> Sandra Alcosser, author of seven books of poems, including Except by Nature, >> directs San Diego State University's Master of Fine Arts Program. Montana's >> first Poet Laureate, she has also served as poet-in-residence at Central Park >> Zoo. >> >> >> >> Six-Week Courses >> Poets House continues its dynamic series of six-week long classes that >> investigate the extensions of poetry into the humanities and the visual arts. >> These courses encourage writers to explore the discourse between art and >> meaning and to enrich their own work with critical reading. The following >> classes are open to all, but space is limited. >> >> No application necessary. To register, please send your name, address, email, >> and phone numbers along with a check made out to Poets House. You may also >> register by calling us at 212-431-7920. >> >> Complete course descriptions can be found at >> http://www.poetshouse.org/progwkshp.htm >> > kshp.htm> >> >> >> >> Poets House is a literary center and poetry archive?a collection and meeting >> place that invites poets and the public to step into the living tradition of >> poetry. Our 45,000 volumes of books, journals, chapbooks, audiotapes, videos >> and electronic media is one of the most comprehensive open-access collections >> of poetry in the United States. >> >> The Reading Room is free and open to the public Tuesday-Friday, 11-7pm & >> Saturday 11-4pm. >> The Children's Reading Room is open Saturday 11-1pm. >> Please call (212) 431-7920 or visit our website http://www.poetshouse.org >> >> for more information & holiday closings. >> >> Poets House?72 Spring Street, 2nd Floor, New York, NY 10012 >> >> >> Sorry, but replies to this message cannot be read. To notify us of an address >> change, please email update at poetshouse.org >> and specify "Update" in the >> subject line. >> >> This email was sent to jforjames at aol.com. You can instantly unsubscribe from >> these emails by clicking here >> . > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Nabokov once quipped that having creative writing teachers on college campuses was like having elephants running the zoo . . . But a poet in residence for the Central Park zoo??? That?s like having an elephant teaching creative writing. Paul Lake -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Feb 20 11:33:25 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:33:25 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Why poetry exists.... References: <255.6b96623.312b304a@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a101c6363b$5f3afeb0$48d73152@ANNY> Voil? Monsieur et merci! http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=1289 From: JforJames at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:46 PM Ren? Char from ?A La Sant? Du Serpent? XXVI Poetry is of all clear streams the one that lingers least about the reflected bridges. Poetry: life?s future held in requalified humanity. La po?sie est de toutes les eaux claires celle qui s?attarde le moins aux reflets de ses ponts. Po?sie, la vie future ? l?int?rieur de l?homme requalifi?. --translated by Jackson Mathews (w/ one small emendation by moi) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example: *We thank you for thinking of us but regret we are unable to do business with you at this time*-- the perfect Christmas card for the people who leave junk mail in your letterbox. *We are keeping your name on file in case we need to contact you*-- send it to the blind date who didn't quite come up to scratch. *We regret that this contribution is not what we are looking for*-- send it to the dateburger who bombed out completely. 2. The Talking Point Coffee Table: Take one coffee table that has seen better days, sand it back and paste rejection slips all over the top. Be artistic. Cover with several coats of varnish. Slop coffee, spill sandwich fillings, and rest your feet with impunity on those idiots who didn't see the beauty of your prose. 3. Scrap paper: Turn over the rejections and write deathless prose on the back. Fools! All they do is inspire you to greatness! Or better shopping lists. 4. Paper airplanes: Amuse your children by turning rejection slips into paper airplanes. Aim them at mud puddles. Tell the kids to trample on them. 5. Papier Mache: Use a plastic bowl as a mold. Paste layers of rejection slips around the bowl, let dry and remove the papier mache shape from the mold. Paint it bright colors and use it to hold paper clips-- or more rejection slips. 6. Set up a rejection weblog: Everyone gets a rejection slip that is worth sharing. Post it online and let us all laugh along with you-- in sympathy, of course. 7. Make new paper: Buy a paper making kit and pulp the rejection slips to a satisfying slush. Dry into sheets and use them to make your own handmade book. 8. Clean the car windows: If damp newspaper brings up a shine, rejection slips are even better. Scrunch them, damp them, and whistle while you work. 9. Improve your garden: Paper makes great mulch, especially if it's shredded. Your writing career may not be going that great, but your roses will be bloomin' marvelous. 10. Donate them to charity: Give them to that would-be writer who talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk. Then they can feel like a writer. You may as well pass on a copy of this article too. *Gail Kavanagh lives in Queensland, Australia. Her writing has been published in Scaifikuest, Arabella, Monthly Short Stories and Women's Independent Press, as well as the anthologies Haunted Encounters, Changing Course and Simple Pleasures of the Kitchen. Gail's website is www.valeofavondale.com.* Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Tue Feb 21 11:34:24 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:34:24 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Ezra Pound in His Time and Beyond: Message-ID: Subject: "Ezra Pound in His Time and Beyond: The Influence of Ezra Pound on Twentieth Century Poetry" -- exhibit, University of Delaware -------------- It is a pleasure to announce "Ezra Pound in His Time and Beyond: The Influence of Ezra Pound on Twentieth Century Poetry," an exhibition currently on view at the University of Delaware Library, Department of Special Collections. The exhibition focuses on Pound's role as mentor, editor, translator, critic, and indefatigable supporter of other writers and artists. As the key figure of literary modernism, Pound, as his bibliographer Donald Gallup has said, "attempted to give the 'movement' more of a focus, perhaps, than it ever actually had, but by sheer force of personality and conviction he effected a revolution which still, a half century later, seems miraculous." It is the purpose of this exhibition to show the role Pound played in the development of "the movement," as Gallup termed it, of literary modernism, and in doing so shine a light on a thread that wends its way through sixty years of literature in a century in which literature changed dramatically. In _A Moveable Feast_, Ernest Hemingway said of Pound: "Ezra was the most generous writer I have ever known and the most disinterested. He helped poets, painters, sculptors and prose writers that he believed in and he would help anyone whether he believed in them or not if they were in trouble." Hemingway was but one of many writers supported by Pound; the long list includes James Joyce, T.S. Eliot, William Butler Yeats, Marianne Moore, E.E. Cummings, Robert Frost, William Carlos Williams, and many others. Beginning with Pound's own forebears (such as Robert Browning and Algernon Charles Swinburne) and ranging to those writers who followed in Pound's wake (such as Allen Ginsberg and Charles Olson), the exhibition draws on the extensive holdings of twentieth century literature housed in the University of Delaware Library Department of Special Collections. Featured are such highlights as Joyce's _Ulysses_, several editions of _The Waste Land_, Hemingway's first three books, Pound's rare first book _A Lume Spento_, and many other fine and rare editions, along with manuscript material and ephemera. A printed catalog accompanying the exhibition is available upon request. A lecture is scheduled in conjunction with the exhibition on Wednesday, March 8th, 2006 at 4:30 p.m. at the University of Delaware Library. Robert A. Wilson (whose Pound collection forms the backbone of the materials on display) will give a talk entitled "In the City of Aldus," in which he will discuss his visit with Olga Rudge in Venice. RSVP to the Library at 302-831-2231 or libraryrsvp at winsor.lib.udel.edu. The exhibition is on view from February 14 to June 16, 2006, in the second floor exhibition gallery at Morris Library, on the University of Delaware campus in Newark, Delaware. Newark is conveniently located midway between Baltimore and Philadelphia and is approximately three hours from New York City. For more information please contact the Exhibition Curator, Jesse Rossa, Assistant Librarian in the Department of Special Collections, at 302-831-2293 or jrossa at udel.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Tue Feb 21 14:18:23 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:18:23 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets, by Kent Johnson Message-ID: <002701c6371b$96f0dc90$8fad3452@ANNY> *** Odi et amo. quare id faciam, fortasse requiris? nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior. --Catullus Now available from BlazeVox Books: Epigramititis: 118 Living American Poets, by Kent Johnson 270 pages of epigrams and images topical to poets of our era Praefatio by the author; Introductio by Dale Smith; Cauda by Gongora (adapted from Plautus) "Thanks for sending me the epigrams.* Superb. It's about time for something of the sort, I'd say, what with the ass licking that rules the day. Especially the ass-licking that some ass-lickers want to pass off as "avant-garde confrontation." My salute... And as to your question, well, yeah, absolutely: Olson, if he'd lived to see what has happened, would have loved these." --Ed Dorn * from a response by Dorn to a batch of the first epigrams, sent to him in early 1999. (to see the book's cover, Table of Contents, and for ordering): http://www.cafepress.com/blazevox.47856388 (to read the book's Praefatio): http://www.fascicle.com/issue02/main/issue02_frameset.htm Also soon available from BlazeVox Books: Rodney Koenecke's *Musee Mecanique* Mike Magee's *Mainstream* Daniel Nester's *The History of My World Tonight* Please visit our online bookstore: http://www.cafepress.com/blazevox Geoffrey Gatza Editor BlazeVox Books -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! 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In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0602220517r5295afenb257776c026f13d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0602220517r5295afenb257776c026f13d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <255C1588-F7A6-471A-B0CF-23B8CD597015@ripon.edu> Well, a few surprises for this reader, at least. I'm not really familiar with Maruya Simon's work, for example, and was a little surprised to see how popular it apparently is. Ditto Mary Jane Nealon and Kwame Alexander. It's not that I'm surprised there are contemporary poets I've not read--after all, there are thousands of us--but that so many "bestsellers" (however measured) could slip so solidly under my radar. Goes to show ya. Some other names I know and like--Cleopatra Mathis, Alberto Rios, Peter Meinke--but wouldn't have guessed they'd show up on this sort of listing. No surprise to see Kooser, Collins, Angelou, Larkin, Bukowski, Dove, Kenyon, Oliver, Plath, Merwin, et al. on such a list, surely. But I'm puzzled not to see Langston Hughes, among others. I've not yet figured out how this list was compiled. But so much conversation on this topic is hugely anecdotal and partisan; it'd be nice to have some hard data to look at, I always think. Discussions of the contested term "mainstream" might well begin with a look at this kind of evidence, I suppose. Kerouac's still the only representative from the New American strand, interestingly. No Ginsberg, Koch, O'Hara???? Don't Kids These Days read "Howl" anymore? I suppose I'm not at all surprised to find Mary Oliver's name all over this list. But personally, when the dust settles, I think the used bookstores will be crammed with her work, which future eras will look at with some puzzlement as an index of vanished taste. Like all those S. V. Benet & Vachel Lindsay volumes I used to see when I was a pup. On Feb 22, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > The Poetry Foundation's list of poetry best-sellers: > > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/publishing/ > bestsellers.contemporary.html > > No surprises, methinks. > > Thoughts? > > Jeff Newberry > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 16:12:22 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:12:22 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: But Can You Dance To It? In-Reply-To: <255C1588-F7A6-471A-B0CF-23B8CD597015@ripon.edu> References: <731bb17a0602220517r5295afenb257776c026f13d4@mail.gmail.com> <255C1588-F7A6-471A-B0CF-23B8CD597015@ripon.edu> Message-ID: <731bb17a0602221312k5770fd2fsfb0006515f1f50ac@mail.gmail.com> Great points, David. I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out how Jack Kerouac winds up being placed in "contemporary poetry." Of course, the same could be said for a couple of other poets on this list, too, right? I mean, Philip Larkin is dead. This all makes me wonder what "contemporary" means when we use it to describe "contemporary poetry." I think of poetry that's being written right now, from the mainstream to the visipoets. Thoughts? Jeff Newberry On 2/22/06, David Graham wrote: > > Well, a few surprises for this reader, at least. I'm not really familiar > with Maruya Simon's work, for example, and was a little surprised to see how > popular it apparently is. Ditto Mary Jane Nealon and Kwame Alexander. > > It's not that I'm surprised there are contemporary poets I've not > read--after all, there are thousands of us--but that so many "bestsellers" > (however measured) could slip so solidly under my radar. Goes to show ya. > > > Some other names I know and like--Cleopatra Mathis, Alberto Rios, Peter > Meinke--but wouldn't have guessed they'd show up on this sort of listing. > > > No surprise to see Kooser, Collins, Angelou, Larkin, Bukowski, Dove, > Kenyon, Oliver, Plath, Merwin, et al. on such a list, surely. But I'm > puzzled not to see Langston Hughes, among others. > > > I've not yet figured out how this list was compiled. But so much > conversation on this topic is hugely anecdotal and partisan; it'd be nice to > have some hard data to look at, I always think. > > > Discussions of the contested term "mainstream" might well begin with a > look at this kind of evidence, I suppose. Kerouac's still the only > representative from the New American strand, interestingly. No Ginsberg, > Koch, O'Hara???? > > > Don't Kids These Days read "Howl" anymore? > > > I suppose I'm not at all surprised to find Mary Oliver's name all over > this list. But personally, when the dust settles, I think the used > bookstores will be crammed with her work, which future eras will look at > with some puzzlement as an index of vanished taste. Like all those S. V. > Benet & Vachel Lindsay volumes I used to see when I was a pup. > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > The Poetry Foundation's list of poetry best-sellers: > > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/publishing/bestsellers.contemporary.html > > No surprises, methinks. > > Thoughts? > > Jeff Newberry > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > ========================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > *http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html* > > Poetry Library: > > *http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html* > > ========================================== > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Wed Feb 22 16:23:09 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:23:09 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: But Can You Dance To It? References: <731bb17a0602220517r5295afenb257776c026f13d4@mail.gmail.com><255C1588-F7A6-471A-B0CF-23B8CD597015@ripon.edu> <731bb17a0602221312k5770fd2fsfb0006515f1f50ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009d01c637f6$2de54340$36c93a52@ANNY> With that visipoets I think you earned paradise from now on, at least on this list From: Jeff Newberry Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:12 PM Great points, David. I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out how Jack Kerouac winds up being placed in "contemporary poetry." Of course, the same could be said for a couple of other poets on this list, too, right? I mean, Philip Larkin is dead. This all makes me wonder what "contemporary" means when we use it to describe "contemporary poetry." I think of poetry that's being written right now, from the mainstream to the visipoets. Thoughts? Jeff Newberry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Wed Feb 22 16:24:29 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:24:29 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: But Can You Dance To It? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0602221312k5770fd2fsfb0006515f1f50ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0602220517r5295afenb257776c026f13d4@mail.gmail.com> <255C1588-F7A6-471A-B0CF-23B8CD597015@ripon.edu> <731bb17a0602221312k5770fd2fsfb0006515f1f50ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5984541F-4BD4-4C9A-817D-B78C2D95AFEB@earthlink.net> When you're done with "contemporary," see what historians do with "modern" as in "modern history." Hal, thinking that words like "contemporary," "modern," "late," "recent," etc. are both expandable and expendable Today's special: Hamilton Stone Review 8, Winter 2006 http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr8.html Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Feb 22, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Great points, David. > > I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out how Jack Kerouac > winds up being placed in "contemporary poetry." Of course, the > same could be said for a couple of other poets on this list, too, > right? I mean, Philip Larkin is dead. > > This all makes me wonder what "contemporary" means when we use it > to describe "contemporary poetry." I think of poetry that's being > written right now, from the mainstream to the visipoets. > > Thoughts? > > Jeff Newberry > > > On 2/22/06, David Graham wrote: > Well, a few surprises for this reader, at least. I'm not really > familiar with Maruya Simon's work, for example, and was a little > surprised to see how popular it apparently is. Ditto Mary Jane > Nealon and Kwame Alexander. > > > It's not that I'm surprised there are contemporary poets I've not > read--after all, there are thousands of us--but that so many > "bestsellers" (however measured) could slip so solidly under my > radar. Goes to show ya. > > > Some other names I know and like--Cleopatra Mathis, Alberto Rios, > Peter Meinke--but wouldn't have guessed they'd show up on this sort > of listing. > > > No surprise to see Kooser, Collins, Angelou, Larkin, Bukowski, > Dove, Kenyon, Oliver, Plath, Merwin, et al. on such a list, > surely. But I'm puzzled not to see Langston Hughes, among others. > > > I've not yet figured out how this list was compiled. But so much > conversation on this topic is hugely anecdotal and partisan; it'd > be nice to have some hard data to look at, I always think. > > > Discussions of the contested term "mainstream" might well begin > with a look at this kind of evidence, I suppose. Kerouac's still > the only representative from the New American strand, > interestingly. No Ginsberg, Koch, O'Hara???? > > > Don't Kids These Days read "Howl" anymore? > > > I suppose I'm not at all surprised to find Mary Oliver's name all > over this list. But personally, when the dust settles, I think > the used bookstores will be crammed with her work, which future > eras will look at with some puzzlement as an index of vanished > taste. Like all those S. V. Benet & Vachel Lindsay volumes I used > to see when I was a pup. > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> The Poetry Foundation's list of poetry best-sellers: >> >> http://www.poetryfoundation.org/publishing/ >> bestsellers.contemporary.html >> >> No surprises, methinks. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Jeff Newberry >> >> -- >> "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." >> --Miguel de >> Unamuno >> >> Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ========================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halvard at earthlink.net Wed Feb 22 16:25:10 2006 From: halvard at earthlink.net (Halvard Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:25:10 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: But Can You Dance To It? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0602221312k5770fd2fsfb0006515f1f50ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0602220517r5295afenb257776c026f13d4@mail.gmail.com> <255C1588-F7A6-471A-B0CF-23B8CD597015@ripon.edu> <731bb17a0602221312k5770fd2fsfb0006515f1f50ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: When you're done with "contemporary," see what historians do with "modern" as in "modern history." Hal, thinking that words like "contemporary," "modern," "late," "recent," etc. are both expandable and expendable Today's special: Hamilton Stone Review 8, Winter 2006 http://www.hamiltonstone.org/hsr8.html Halvard Johnson ================ halvard at earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org On Feb 22, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Great points, David. > > I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out how Jack Kerouac > winds up being placed in "contemporary poetry." Of course, the > same could be said for a couple of other poets on this list, too, > right? I mean, Philip Larkin is dead. > > This all makes me wonder what "contemporary" means when we use it > to describe "contemporary poetry." I think of poetry that's being > written right now, from the mainstream to the visipoets. > > Thoughts? > > Jeff Newberry > > > On 2/22/06, David Graham wrote: > Well, a few surprises for this reader, at least. I'm not really > familiar with Maruya Simon's work, for example, and was a little > surprised to see how popular it apparently is. Ditto Mary Jane > Nealon and Kwame Alexander. > > > It's not that I'm surprised there are contemporary poets I've not > read--after all, there are thousands of us--but that so many > "bestsellers" (however measured) could slip so solidly under my > radar. Goes to show ya. > > > Some other names I know and like--Cleopatra Mathis, Alberto Rios, > Peter Meinke--but wouldn't have guessed they'd show up on this sort > of listing. > > > No surprise to see Kooser, Collins, Angelou, Larkin, Bukowski, > Dove, Kenyon, Oliver, Plath, Merwin, et al. on such a list, > surely. But I'm puzzled not to see Langston Hughes, among others. > > > I've not yet figured out how this list was compiled. But so much > conversation on this topic is hugely anecdotal and partisan; it'd > be nice to have some hard data to look at, I always think. > > > Discussions of the contested term "mainstream" might well begin > with a look at this kind of evidence, I suppose. Kerouac's still > the only representative from the New American strand, > interestingly. No Ginsberg, Koch, O'Hara???? > > > Don't Kids These Days read "Howl" anymore? > > > I suppose I'm not at all surprised to find Mary Oliver's name all > over this list. But personally, when the dust settles, I think > the used bookstores will be crammed with her work, which future > eras will look at with some puzzlement as an index of vanished > taste. Like all those S. V. Benet & Vachel Lindsay volumes I used > to see when I was a pup. > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: > >> The Poetry Foundation's list of poetry best-sellers: >> >> http://www.poetryfoundation.org/publishing/ >> bestsellers.contemporary.html >> >> No surprises, methinks. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Jeff Newberry >> >> -- >> "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." >> --Miguel de >> Unamuno >> >> Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > ========================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ========================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > > -- > "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." > --Miguel de Unamuno > > Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This all makes me wonder what "contemporary" means when we use it to describe "contemporary poetry." I think of poetry that's being written right now, from the mainstream to the visipoets. Thoughts? Jeff Newberry On 2/22/06, David Graham wrote: Well, a few surprises for this reader, at least. I'm not really familiar with Maruya Simon's work, for example, and was a little surprised to see how popular it apparently is. Ditto Mary Jane Nealon and Kwame Alexander. It's not that I'm surprised there are contemporary poets I've not read--after all, there are thousands of us--but that so many "bestsellers" (however measured) could slip so solidly under my radar. Goes to show ya. Some other names I know and like--Cleopatra Mathis, Alberto Rios, Peter Meinke--but wouldn't have guessed they'd show up on this sort of listing. No surprise to see Kooser, Collins, Angelou, Larkin, Bukowski, Dove, Kenyon, Oliver, Plath, Merwin, et al. on such a list, surely. But I'm puzzled not to see Langston Hughes, among others. I've not yet figured out how this list was compiled. But so much conversation on this topic is hugely anecdotal and partisan; it'd be nice to have some hard data to look at, I always think. Discussions of the contested term "mainstream" might well begin with a look at this kind of evidence, I suppose. Kerouac's still the only representative from the New American strand, interestingly. No Ginsberg, Koch, O'Hara???? Don't Kids These Days read "Howl" anymore? I suppose I'm not at all surprised to find Mary Oliver's name all over this list. But personally, when the dust settles, I think the used bookstores will be crammed with her work, which future eras will look at with some puzzlement as an index of vanished taste. Like all those S. V. Benet & Vachel Lindsay volumes I used to see when I was a pup. On Feb 22, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Jeff Newberry wrote: The Poetry Foundation's list of poetry best-sellers: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/publishing/bestsellers.contemporary.html No surprises, methinks. Thoughts? Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 17:08:08 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:08:08 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: But Can You Dance To It? In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0602221312k5770fd2fsfb0006515f1f50ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0602220517r5295afenb257776c026f13d4@mail.gmail.com> <255C1588-F7A6-471A-B0CF-23B8CD597015@ripon.edu> <731bb17a0602221312k5770fd2fsfb0006515f1f50ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <648208b60602221408r5c1545bbk1663692423c226e9@mail.gmail.com> I refuse to complain. My students, of late, have made it known they've read Kerouac and Bukowski and Ginsberg ("Howl") but little of anything else. So what, I say. At least they have the impression of a key. Most of the rest on that list rate a zzzz. - Jim On 2/22/06, Jeff Newberry wrote: > Great points, David. > > I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out how Jack Kerouac winds up > being placed in "contemporary poetry." Of course, the same could be said > for a couple of other poets on this list, too, right? I mean, Philip Larkin > is dead. > > This all makes me wonder what "contemporary" means when we use it to > describe "contemporary poetry." I think of poetry that's being written > right now, from the mainstream to the visipoets. > > Thoughts? > > Jeff Newberry > > > On 2/22/06, David Graham wrote: > > Well, a few surprises for this reader, at least. I'm not really familiar > with Maruya Simon's work, for example, and was a little surprised to see how > popular it apparently is. Ditto Mary Jane Nealon and Kwame Alexander. > > > > > > It's not that I'm surprised there are contemporary poets I've not > read--after all, there are thousands of us--but that so many "bestsellers" > (however measured) could slip so solidly under my radar. Goes to show ya. > > > > > > Some other names I know and like--Cleopatra Mathis, Alberto Rios, Peter > Meinke--but wouldn't have guessed they'd show up on this sort of listing. > > > > > > No surprise to see Kooser, Collins, Angelou, Larkin, Bukowski, Dove, > Kenyon, Oliver, Plath, Merwin, et al. on such a list, surely. But I'm > puzzled not to see Langston Hughes, among others. > > > > > > I've not yet figured out how this list was compiled. But so much > conversation on this topic is hugely anecdotal and partisan; it'd be nice to > have some hard data to look at, I always think. > > > > > > Discussions of the contested term "mainstream" might well begin with a > look at this kind of evidence, I suppose. Kerouac's still the only > representative from the New American strand, interestingly. No Ginsberg, > Koch, O'Hara???? > > > > > > Don't Kids These Days read "Howl" anymore? > > > > > > I suppose I'm not at all surprised to find Mary Oliver's name all over > this list. But personally, when the dust settles, I think the used > bookstores will be crammed with her work, which future eras will look at > with some puzzlement as an index of vanished taste. Like all those S. V. > Benet & Vachel Lindsay volumes I used to see when I was a pup. > > > > From sbmontana at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 17:10:19 2006 From: sbmontana at gmail.com (SB) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:10:19 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] a conversation with Jane Hirshfield Message-ID: <9095266e0602221410v35f87c14pf1e5604d27e06086@mail.gmail.com> I am a member of the Well, and there is a conversation beginning there today with Jane Hirshfield. Nonmembers can participate via email. It's just begun, and already -- riches. Go here: http://www.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/ -- ~ SB =^..^= http://www.sbpoet.com From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 17:20:53 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:20:53 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: But Can You Dance To It? In-Reply-To: <648208b60602221408r5c1545bbk1663692423c226e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0602220517r5295afenb257776c026f13d4@mail.gmail.com> <255C1588-F7A6-471A-B0CF-23B8CD597015@ripon.edu> <731bb17a0602221312k5770fd2fsfb0006515f1f50ac@mail.gmail.com> <648208b60602221408r5c1545bbk1663692423c226e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0602221420k30676e26hbcaec852ae0cbe6a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks everybody for the input. Hal makes a good point. I think, though, that "Modern" as it applies to literature is applied to a way of thinking or perhaps a school of thought ("Modernism" as a school of thought? maybe?) Bob makes a good point, too. I suppose that 30 years is a good benchmark. I dunno, though. I'm certainly no expert. (Most of my students are aware of Kerouac and the Beats, though have rarely read anything by them.) Jeff Newberry On 2/22/06, James Cervantes wrote: > > I refuse to complain. My students, of late, have made it known > they've read Kerouac and Bukowski and Ginsberg ("Howl") but little of > anything else. So what, I say. At least they have the impression of > a key. > > Most of the rest on that list rate a zzzz. > > - Jim > > On 2/22/06, Jeff Newberry wrote: > > Great points, David. > > > > I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out how Jack Kerouac > winds up > > being placed in "contemporary poetry." Of course, the same could be > said > > for a couple of other poets on this list, too, right? I mean, Philip > Larkin > > is dead. > > > > This all makes me wonder what "contemporary" means when we use it to > > describe "contemporary poetry." I think of poetry that's being written > > right now, from the mainstream to the visipoets. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Jeff Newberry > > > > > > On 2/22/06, David Graham wrote: > > > Well, a few surprises for this reader, at least. I'm not really > familiar > > with Maruya Simon's work, for example, and was a little surprised to see > how > > popular it apparently is. Ditto Mary Jane Nealon and Kwame Alexander. > > > > > > > > > It's not that I'm surprised there are contemporary poets I've not > > read--after all, there are thousands of us--but that so many > "bestsellers" > > (however measured) could slip so solidly under my radar. Goes to show > ya. > > > > > > > > > Some other names I know and like--Cleopatra Mathis, Alberto Rios, > Peter > > Meinke--but wouldn't have guessed they'd show up on this sort of > listing. > > > > > > > > > No surprise to see Kooser, Collins, Angelou, Larkin, Bukowski, Dove, > > Kenyon, Oliver, Plath, Merwin, et al. on such a list, surely. But I'm > > puzzled not to see Langston Hughes, among others. > > > > > > > > > I've not yet figured out how this list was compiled. But so much > > conversation on this topic is hugely anecdotal and partisan; it'd be > nice to > > have some hard data to look at, I always think. > > > > > > > > > Discussions of the contested term "mainstream" might well begin with a > > look at this kind of evidence, I suppose. Kerouac's still the only > > representative from the New American strand, interestingly. No > Ginsberg, > > Koch, O'Hara???? > > > > > > > > > Don't Kids These Days read "Howl" anymore? > > > > > > > > > I suppose I'm not at all surprised to find Mary Oliver's name all over > > this list. But personally, when the dust settles, I think the used > > bookstores will be crammed with her work, which future eras will look at > > with some puzzlement as an index of vanished taste. Like all those S. > V. > > Benet & Vachel Lindsay volumes I used to see when I was a pup. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cstroffo at earthlink.net Wed Feb 22 22:00:54 2006 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino ) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:00:54 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] a conversation with Jane Hirshfield Message-ID: <200602230234.k1N2YZ4R027316@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Hey---Could you tell us more about "the Well"? Chris ---------- >From: SB >To: poetryetc at jiscmail.ac.uk, "Discussion of Women's Poetry List" , "UB Poetics discussion group" , "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" , haikutalk at lists.spunge.org, haikutalk2 at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [New-Poetry] a conversation with Jane Hirshfield >Date: Wed, Feb 22, 2006, 2:10 PM > > I am a member of the Well, and there is a conversation beginning there > today with Jane Hirshfield. Nonmembers can participate via email. > > It's just begun, and already -- riches. > > Go here: http://www.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/ > > -- > ~ SB =^..^= > > http://www.sbpoet.com > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry From sbmontana at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 23:07:42 2006 From: sbmontana at gmail.com (SB) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:07:42 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] a conversation with Jane Hirshfield In-Reply-To: <200602230234.k1N2YZ4R027316@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> References: <200602230234.k1N2YZ4R027316@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <9095266e0602222007r63d8c24ar9a865f080c619b6b@mail.gmail.com> On 2/22/06, Chris Stroffolino wrote: > Hey---Could you tell us more about "the Well"? > Wow. The Well. I first heard about the Well nearly 20 years ago, when 'online' was first a rare and exotic possibility. It wasn't an option for me then, and I didn't join until two years ago. It was one of the first online "communities". Lots of very smart people; a wide range of conversation. You pay to belong, and must use your real name unless you manage to persuade them that there is some celebrity reason not to (so I'm told) -- Lots of tech folks, of course, since many have been members since the beginning, when only tech folks did such things. But also -- Jane Hirshfield. And many other interesting people. The Writers conference -- not a craft conference, mind, but a place for writers to talk together -- is why I've stayed. -- ~ SB =^..^= http://www.sbpoet.com From clitophon at yahoo.com Thu Feb 23 05:55:07 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:55:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] I sang in my chains like the sea In-Reply-To: <20060216201547.74524.qmail@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060223105507.29700.qmail@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chapter 1 - I sang in my chains like the sea ?Dr Hegelfisch.? ?Dr Hegelfisch!? ?Dr Hegelfisch.? Dr Hegelfisch opened a jade green eye. It swung around the room telescopically and then sank gingerly back into its socket. A jaded finger extended itself. Scratching his wax candle melting nose and leafing violently through the text book. ?I don?t know ?ideology?, what is it? Napoleon conquered and conquered. History as hero. What do you say? You say ?putsch? or ?coup? but we know heroic violence and call it ?revolution?.? ?Revolution is - Dr Hegelfisch - a necessary prelude, that?s all. You understand, don?t you? People need preludes. Then the great take off into self-sustained growth. Then the multiplier effect but above all, Dr Hegelfisch, history itself is impersonal. An impersonal prelude to a heroic symphony or opera. People are such that preludes make sense when logic is denied or otherwise. Great preludes anticipate the most shocking events.? ?I don?t know this. I don?t know that. I need more information technology vocabulary. I can?t afford to spend time pouring over - history.? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From grahamd at ripon.edu Thu Feb 23 10:34:40 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:34:40 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Innnocently, I think Message-ID: THE WARDEN SAID TO ME THE OTHER DAY by Etheridge Knight (1933-1991) The warden said to me the other day (innocently, I think), "Say, etheridge, why come the black boys don't run off like the white boys do?" I lowered my jaw and scratched my head and said (innocently, I think), "Well, suh, I ain't for sure, but I reckon it's 'cause we ain't got nowheres to run to" ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She planted a delicious garden, the daughter, cottage, pond and meadow. Myself a garden I did plant, myself with water sprinkled it. Some pour their verse from water cans; other spit water from their mouth-- the curly Macks, the clever Jacks-- but what the hell's it all about! There's no damming all this up-- beneath the walls hey mandoline: "Tara-tina, tara-tine, tw-a-n-g.." It's no great honour, then, for my monuments to rise from such roses above public squares, where consumption coughs, where whores, hooligans, and syphilis walk. Agitprop sticks in my teeth too, and I'd rather compose romances for you-- more profit in it and more charm But I subdued myself, setting my heel on the throat of my own song. Listen, comrades of prosperity, to the agitator, the rabble-rouser. Stifling the torrents of poetry, I'll skip the volumes of lyrics; as one alive, I'll address the living. I'll join you in the far communist future, I, who am no Esenin super-hero. My verse will reach you across the peaks of ages, over the heads of governments and poets. My verse will reach you not as an arrow in a cupid-lyred chase, not as worn penny reaches a numismatist, not as the light of dead stars reaches you. My verse by labour will break the mountain chain of years, and will present itself ponderous, crude, tangible, as an aqueduct, by slaves of Rome constructed, enters into our days. Mayakovsky -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It swung around the room telescopically and then sank gingerly back into its socket. A jaded finger extended itself. Scratching his wax candle melting nose and leafing violently through the text book. ?I don?t know ?ideology?, what is it? Napoleon conquered and conquered. History as hero. What do you say? You say ?putsch? or ?coup? but we know heroic violence and call it ?revolution?.? ?Revolution is - Dr Hegelfisch - a necessary prelude, that?s all. You understand, don?t you? People need preludes. Then the great take off into self-sustained growth. Then the multiplier effect but above all, Dr Hegelfisch, history itself is impersonal. An impersonal prelude to a heroic symphony or opera. People are such that preludes make sense when logic is denied or otherwise. Great preludes anticipate the most shocking events.? ?I don?t know this. I don?t know that. I need more information technology vocabulary. I can?t afford to spend time pouring over - history.? * A Hegelfisch. A spurious notion attrib to Murphy P. analagous to Quarks and Quantum Jumps as in his ?Three Hegelfisch for Kent J?. An extract from this experimental diatribe follows: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From JforJames at aol.com Fri Feb 24 18:53:39 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:53:39 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Lehman: Making it New at NYU Message-ID: <1f4.1b9b8f7c.3130f683@aol.com> _http://www.nyu.edu/public.affairs/releases/detail/961_ (http://www.nyu.edu/public.affairs/releases/detail/961) NYU Lecture, "American Poetry and the Impulse to Make It New," Celebrates Publication of Oxford Book of American Poetry Friday, Feb 24, 2006 New York University?s College of Arts and Science (CAS) will host ?American Poetry and the Impulse to Make it New,? a lecture by poet David Lehman, on Mon., April 3, 5:30 p.m. at NYU?s Hemmerdinger Hall (100 Washington Square East). The event celebrates the April 1 publication of The Oxford Book of American Poetry, which Lehman edited and selected. A reception and book signing will follow the event. 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Message-ID: It seems a writer has no need for more than one major feeling. Love, or envy, or fear, with deep, multitude ligatures and a good basic complex?he can get along pretty well with that. But he does need one feeling. On this wave he modulates the others and his whole universe. It?s his carrying feeling.--Henri Michaux , Observations -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Sat Feb 25 16:24:10 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:24:10 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] On what one 'carrying feeling' or 'wave' does yourpoetry ride? References: Message-ID: <006301c63a51$d1858bb0$c9ed3652@ANNY> I was thinking just about the same an hour or so ago while writing a couple of words on Anselm Kiefer, see on my blog. His desperation, the war, this catastrophism that sticks to him like a tight jacket, and he has been dealing with art production since '69, this is the year 2006, 37 years of assiduous work on disaster. Can you imagine getting up in the morning to get to your studio to start thinking of how you can better depict life's tragedy every single day, season, year in your life? Success is the heaviest chain in a world of prisoners. A link to Kiefer's bio: http://www.leninimports.com/anselm_kiefer_bio.html From: JforJames at aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:54 PM It seems a writer has no need for more than one major feeling. Love, or envy, or fear, with deep, multitude ligatures and a good basic complex?he can get along pretty well with that. But he does need one feeling. On this wave he modulates the others and his whole universe. 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In a Victorian story I'm reading, a barouche conveys a scalawag apothecary (baggaged up with plaister glop and leech jars) to the bedside of some rummy doxy dear to the heart of a magistrate . . . these words are only here with us by a lingering atom or two of spoken breath. That his barouche has been instructed ?at the strictest adjuration? to proceed ?with all alacrity? . . . this language is a snick of time away from lying down in the dust with its brothers and sisters: Scythian, Etruscan, 1940s proto-hipsterspeak. This disappearing language and its world. On his Galapagos excursion, Darwin witnesses ?red scoriae?; the lizards ?are not all timorous,? and in their parted stomachs is a seaweed??foliaceous.? He assures us this is all ?well ascertained.? Bone voy-ah-gee to words like that, my father would have said in his own corny jocularity: Arriver-dair-chee. Adioses, Moses. (It's a miracle the real 1940s proto-hipsters didn't beat the living shit from him, in his sweet, misguided attempts to ?belong.?) And now??he's down in the earth-roofed streets where corner drugstore Sumerian gets spoken. (You'll have noticed how I slipped a secret ?bye, bye? into the first line.) Darwin knows that language stays in place no better than the English rat: he sees how, in the islands, it's been ?altered by the peculiar conditions of its new country.? Come down to the shore: there goes the Beagle, over the azure-crested horizon. Toodle-oo. --Albert Goldbarth The Virginia Quarterly Review, 2006. ========================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sean Curran Company The most neglected of the New Americans? Madeline Gleason Project Runway: Color, texture and the human form Leaving it all on the ice ??? Figure skating and poetry Barbara Guest ??? changing the world through poetry Color and modernism - Wystan Curnow and Modern Colours Lyric Poetry after Auschwitz - Kent Johnson and the politics of mischief What is anti-war poetry (a note for the 40th anniversary of ???Wichita Vortex Sutra II???) http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ From opus40-01 at opus40.org Mon Feb 27 12:11:31 2006 From: opus40-01 at opus40.org (opus40-01 at opus40.org) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:11:31 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mr. and Mrs. Stevens Message-ID: <20060227171131.29E5F13D02@smapp04.siteprotect.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Le Monocle de Mon Oncle" > > > On 2/27/06 11:11 AM, "opus40-01 at opus40.org" wrote: > >> What was Wallace Stevens' relationship with his wife like? >> >> >> > > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From paul.lake at mail.atu.edu Mon Feb 27 05:53:11 2006 From: paul.lake at mail.atu.edu (Paul Lake) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:53:11 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mr. and Mrs. Stevens In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/27/06 11:24 AM, "David Graham" wrote: > Like a dull scholar, I behold, in love, > An ancient aspect touching a new mind. > It comes, it blooms, it bears its fruit and dies. > This trivial trope reveals a way of truth. > Our bloom is gone. We are the fruit thereof. > Two golden gourds distended on our vines, > Into the autumn weather, splashed with frost, > Distorted by hale fatness, turned grotesque. > We hang like warty squashes, streaked and rayed, > The laughing sky will see the two of us > Washed into rinds by rotting winter winds. > >> --fr. "Le Monocle de Mon Oncle" >> >> >> On 2/27/06 11:11 AM, "opus40-01 at opus40.org" wrote: >> >>> What was Wallace Stevens' relationship with his wife like? >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==================================================== >> David Graham >> grahamd at ripon.edu >> Home Page: >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html >> Poetry Library: >> http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html >> ==================================================== >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > Lovely lines that depress the hell out of me as I age on my vine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Le Monocle de Mon Oncle" >>> >> > > Lovely lines that depress the hell out of me as I age on my vine. > ===================================== > > > > Yes, and Stevens was only 40 when he wrote them--a mere stripling! > > > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Feb 27 12:58:19 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:58:19 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mr. and Mrs. Stevens References: <009001c63bc4$64738940$93d73152@ANNY> Message-ID: <009f01c63bc7$6498bd20$93d73152@ANNY> Mr. and Mrs. StevensSomething like this, from his letters: To Thomas McGreevy December 8, 1948 ... I suppose the greatest satisfaction which we had from our trip was the arrival home. We went into the kitchen, sat there drinking milk and eating cookies. The next day was Sunday and it was not necessary for us to get up before sunrise. Getting up after sunrise at this time of year is one of the few luxuries that are left to us. ... To Alice Corbin Henderson Hartford, November 27, 1922 (they got married on September 21, 1909) Dear Mrs. Henderson: I had noticed that Mr. Henderson was having a show in New York, before receiving your note. I shall try to see it and him the next time I go down. There is only one possible hitch and that is Mrs. Stevens, a fascinating creature whom one cannot exactly get away from. Eliot's poem is, of course, the rage. As poetry it is surely negligible. What it may be in other respects is a large subject on which one could talk for a month. If it is the supreme cry of despair it is Eliot's and not his generation's. personally, I think it's a bore. With kindest personal regards, From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:36 PM I thought he was in love with his wife, let me see if I can find something here that made me think it. From: David Graham Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:18 PM None of your beeswax! It's been a long while since I looked at the biography, but I believe it was a pretty unhappy marriage. Never marry a woman who poses for a coin, I guess. On 2/27/06 11:11 AM, "opus40-01 at opus40.org" wrote: What was Wallace Stevens' relationship with his wife like? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 13:20:54 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:20:54 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Mr. and Mrs. Stevens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <648208b60602271020u5a9e315ex417e6044baf337ba@mail.gmail.com> Cheery guy. He was an actuary, wasn't he? - Jim On 2/27/06, David Graham wrote: > Like a dull scholar, I behold, in love, > An ancient aspect touching a new mind. > It comes, it blooms, it bears its fruit and dies. > This trivial trope reveals a way of truth. > Our bloom is gone. We are the fruit thereof. > Two golden gourds distended on our vines, > Into the autumn weather, splashed with frost, > Distorted by hale fatness, turned grotesque. > We hang like warty squashes, streaked and rayed, > The laughing sky will see the two of us > Washed into rinds by rotting winter winds. > > > --fr. "Le Monocle de Mon Oncle" > > > > > > On 2/27/06 11:11 AM, "opus40-01 at opus40.org" wrote: > > > >> What was Wallace Stevens' relationship with his wife like? > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==================================================== > > David Graham > > grahamd at ripon.edu > > Home Page: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > > Poetry Library: > > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > > ==================================================== > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > ==================================================== > David Graham > grahamd at ripon.edu > Home Page: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html > Poetry Library: > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html > ==================================================== > > > > > From JforJames at aol.com Mon Feb 27 13:57:00 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:57:00 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Mr. and Mrs. Stevens Message-ID: <195.516430d6.3134a57c@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2006 1:21:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, cervantes.james at gmail.com writes: X-INFO: INVALID TO LINE Cheery guy. He was an actuary, wasn't he? - Jim On 2/27/06, David Graham wrote: > Like a dull scholar, I behold, in love, > An ancient aspect touching a new mind. > It comes, it blooms, it bears its fruit and dies. > This trivial trope reveals a way of truth. > Our bloom is gone. We are the fruit thereof. > Two golden gourds distended on our vines, > Into the autumn weather, splashed with frost, > Distorted by hale fatness, turned grotesque. > We hang like warty squashes, streaked and rayed, > The laughing sky will see the two of us > Washed into rinds by rotting winter winds. Jim, No...he was in the bond department primarily and worked on drawing up bonding contracts...and got involved in claims, using his legal training, when losses had to be paid. The actuaries are numbers and statistics people who analyze claims and forecast loss trends on the various lines of insurance a company writes. You have to be a bit of a math whiz to pass the exams and be an actuary. 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Two golden gourds distended on our vines, Into the autumn weather, splashed with frost, Distorted by hale fatness, turned grotesque. We hang like warty squashes, streaked and rayed, The laughing sky will see the two of us Washed into rinds by rotting winter winds. --fr. "Le Monocle de Mon Oncle" Lovely lines that depress the hell out of me as I age on my vine. ===================================== Yes, and Stevens was only 40 when he wrote them--a mere stripling! ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From JforJames at aol.com Mon Feb 27 14:28:26 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:28:26 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Mr. and Mrs. Stevens Message-ID: <9b.7185bde7.3134acda@aol.com> _http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/lsf/lavery24.htm_ (http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/lsf/lavery24.htm) Stevens at the office. The Brazeau book, Parts of the World, is a biography done through interviews (oral history) with folks that new Steven, and it makes for very good composite portrait. Finnegan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu Mon Feb 27 14:30:58 2006 From: rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu (Richard Wilsnack) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:30:58 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mr. and Mrs. Stevens In-Reply-To: <20d.1333c16e.3134a784@aol.com> References: <20d.1333c16e.3134a784@aol.com> Message-ID: <44035372.9040002@medicine.nodak.edu> As long as you are going to query the Stevens list, you might also try to verify or debunk a folk tale I heard in college, that Mrs. Stevens was unaware of her husband's poetry-writing, in part because he deliberately kept her unaware. Richard W. Wilsnack rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu JforJames at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/27/2006 12:11:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > opus40-01 at opus40.org writes: > > What was Wallace Stevens' relationship with his wife like? > > I'm going to query the Stevens list with this one. My recollection, > from the biographical > sources I've seen, is that it was amicable but not particularly > passionate or > even intimate. I think she's been potrayed as a bit chilly and not > really interested in the > arts the way Stevens was. > Finnegan > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hruggier at localnet.com Mon Feb 27 14:51:45 2006 From: hruggier at localnet.com (Helen Ruggieri) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:51:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mr. and Mrs. Stevens References: <009001c63bc4$64738940$93d73152@ANNY> <009f01c63bc7$6498bd20$93d73152@ANNY> Message-ID: <009101c63bd7$3d8a5080$6500a8c0@Helen> Mr. and Mrs. Stevens ----- Original Message ----- From: Anny Ballardini To: NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News &Views Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] Mr. and Mrs. Stevens Something like this, from his letters: To Thomas McGreevy December 8, 1948 ... I suppose the greatest satisfaction which we had from our trip was the arrival home. We went into the kitchen, sat there drinking milk and eating cookies. The next day was Sunday and it was not necessary for us to get up before sunrise. Getting up after sunrise at this time of year is one of the few luxuries that are left to us. ... Henderson was the first assistant editor of POETRY - and I'm not sure of the dates but I think she's responsible for publishing Prufrock at the urging of Ezra Pound. Pound said she was the "brains" behind POETRY not Monroe. To Alice Corbin Henderson Hartford, November 27, 1922 (they got married on September 21, 1909) Dear Mrs. Henderson: I had noticed that Mr. Henderson was having a show in New York, before receiving your note. I shall try to see it and him the next time I go down. There is only one possible hitch and that is Mrs. Stevens, a fascinating creature whom one cannot exactly get away from. Eliot's poem is, of course, the rage. As poetry it is surely negligible. What it may be in other respects is a large subject on which one could talk for a month. If it is the supreme cry of despair it is Eliot's and not his generation's. personally, I think it's a bore. With kindest personal regards, From: Anny Ballardini Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:36 PM I thought he was in love with his wife, let me see if I can find something here that made me think it. From: David Graham Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:18 PM None of your beeswax! It's been a long while since I looked at the biography, but I believe it was a pretty unhappy marriage. Never marry a woman who poses for a coin, I guess. On 2/27/06 11:11 AM, "opus40-01 at opus40.org" wrote: What was Wallace Stevens' relationship with his wife like? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JforJames at aol.com Mon Feb 27 15:02:22 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:02:22 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Mr. and Mrs. Stevens Message-ID: <19e.45e89bcd.3134b4ce@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2006 2:31:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu writes: As long as you are going to query the Stevens list, you might also try to verify or debunk a folk tale I heard in college, that Mrs. Stevens was unaware of her husband's poetry-writing, in part because he deliberately kept her unaware. Never heard that. And since Stevens became pretty famous during his lifetime, almost impossible to conceal. As that article states, there are differing points of view as to how much Stevens wanted his business associates to know about his poetry-writing side. I'm sure it became common knowledge among co-workers in the office...and pretty sure few outside the office knew. Being a famous poet never has made one a household name. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lattaj at umich.edu Mon Feb 27 15:55:18 2006 From: lattaj at umich.edu (John Latta) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:55:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Cloudbusting In-Reply-To: <20060227204847.87366.qmail@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060227204847.87366.qmail@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mental telepathy works pretty good. I've took smallish ones down at, oh, 30,000 feet or so in full sun. JL On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Paul Murphy wrote: > does anyone know anything about cloudbusting or has > anyone had any success with the cloudbusting > apparatus? > > we?re trying to construct a cloudbusting apparatus > here. what are the best materials? (if any) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > From clitophon at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 16:13:23 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:13:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Cloudbusting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060227211323.55770.qmail@web36515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> cumulo-nimbus? --- John Latta wrote: > Mental telepathy works pretty good. I've took > smallish ones down at, oh, > 30,000 feet or so in full sun. > > JL > > > On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Paul Murphy wrote: > > > does anyone know anything about cloudbusting or > has > > anyone had any success with the cloudbusting > > apparatus? > > > > we?re trying to construct a cloudbusting apparatus > > here. what are the best materials? (if any) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From anny.ballardini at tin.it Mon Feb 27 16:37:04 2006 From: anny.ballardini at tin.it (Anny Ballardini) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:37:04 +0100 Subject: [New-Poetry] Mr. and Mrs. Stevens References: <009001c63bc4$64738940$93d73152@ANNY><009f01c63bc7$6498bd20$93d73152@ANNY> <009101c63bd7$3d8a5080$6500a8c0@Helen> Message-ID: <009201c63be5$f4332560$93d73152@ANNY> Mr. and Mrs. StevensAh Helen, I finally found your note. From: Helen Ruggieri Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:51 PM Henderson was the first assistant editor of POETRY - and I'm not sure of the dates but I think she's responsible for publishing Prufrock at the urging of Ezra Pound. Pound said she was the "brains" behind POETRY not Monroe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lattaj at umich.edu Mon Feb 27 16:38:41 2006 From: lattaj at umich.edu (John Latta) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:38:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Cloudbusting In-Reply-To: <20060227211323.55770.qmail@web36515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060227211323.55770.qmail@web36515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, nimbly. It's a matter of "pouring" the brain-stream through the sight-holes "at" the cloud. A hard squint controls and focuses the beam. Some midwesterners (U.S.) come by it naturally. Something like writing poetry. JL On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Paul Murphy wrote: > cumulo-nimbus? > > --- John Latta wrote: > >> Mental telepathy works pretty good. I've took >> smallish ones down at, oh, >> 30,000 feet or so in full sun. >> >> JL >> >> >> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Paul Murphy wrote: >> >>> does anyone know anything about cloudbusting or >> has >>> anyone had any success with the cloudbusting >>> apparatus? >>> >>> we?re trying to construct a cloudbusting apparatus >>> here. what are the best materials? (if any) >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New-Poetry mailing list >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >>> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> New-Poetry mailing list >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu >> http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > From clitophon at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 16:56:51 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:56:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Cloudbusting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060227215651.42193.qmail@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> it sounds very like the final stages of paranoid schizoprenia and\or shamanistic religious experiences inspired by peyote (is that the right cactus?). What is the type and grade of LSD your currently taking anyway and where can it be purchased? --- John Latta wrote: > Yes, nimbly. It's a matter of "pouring" the > brain-stream through the > sight-holes "at" the cloud. A hard squint controls > and focuses the beam. > Some midwesterners (U.S.) come by it naturally. > Something like writing > poetry. > > JL > > > On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Paul Murphy wrote: > > > cumulo-nimbus? > > > > --- John Latta wrote: > > > >> Mental telepathy works pretty good. I've took > >> smallish ones down at, oh, > >> 30,000 feet or so in full sun. > >> > >> JL > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Paul Murphy wrote: > >> > >>> does anyone know anything about cloudbusting or > >> has > >>> anyone had any success with the cloudbusting > >>> apparatus? > >>> > >>> we?re trying to construct a cloudbusting > apparatus > >>> here. what are the best materials? (if any) > >>> > >>> > __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> protection around > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> New-Poetry mailing list > >>> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >>> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >>> > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> New-Poetry mailing list > >> New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > >> > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > New-Poetry mailing list > > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clitophon at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 17:09:28 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:09:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Cloudbusting In-Reply-To: <20060227215651.42193.qmail@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060227220928.18752.qmail@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Orgone accumulators and cloudbusters Reich with a "cloudbuster"In March 1938, Hitler annexed Austria. Reich's ex-wife and daughters had already left for the U.S., and in August 1939, Reich sailed out of Norway on the last boat to leave before the war began. He settled in Forest Hills, Long Island, and in 1946, married Ilse Ollendorf, with whom he had a son, Peter. It was during this period, according to some researchers, that Reich appeared to suffer a breakdown. They say that he became paranoid and revised parts of his earlier works to remove references to Marxist theory. [7] Reich's defenders say that Reich's revisions were minor, confined only to the English-speaking American period of his work, and were primarily sexological, clinical, or scientific in nature. Reich was one of the first of the European socialists to break ranks completely with the Communist Party; for example, in his book Mass Psychology of Fascism, which he wrote after a trip to Russia, he identified communism as "Red Fascism". His defenders say that the charge of paranoia is intended to discredit Reich's critique of Marxism. American writer Jim Martin alleges that many of those who have attacked Reich's biophysical research?on the orgone accumulator, for example?are themselves leftist and Marxist (Martin 2000). In 1940, Reich built boxes ? orgone accumulators ? to concentrate orgone energy in the atmosphere, some for lab animals, and some large enough for a human being to sit inside. He now believed orgone was a type of primordial cosmic energy, blue in color, which he claimed was omnipresent and responsible for such things as weather, the color of the sky, gravity, the formation of galaxies, and the biological expressions of emotion and sexuality. Composed of alternating layers of ferrous metals and insulators with a high-dielectrical constant, his orgone accumulators had the appearance of a large hollow "capacitor". He believed that sitting inside the box might provide a treatment for cancer and other illnesses. It was the construction of these boxes that caught the attention of the press, and wild rumors spread that they were "sex boxes" which caused uncontrollable erections. [8] Reich also designed a "cloudbuster" with which he said he could manipulate streams of orgone energy in the atmosphere to induce rain by forcing clouds to form and disperse. Based on experiments with the orgone accumulator, he argued that orgone energy was a negatively-entropic force in nature which was responsible for concentrating and organizing matter. During one drought-relief expedition to Arizona, he claimed to have observed UFOs, and speculated that orgone might be used for the propulsion of UFOs. According to his theory, illness was primarily caused by depletion or blockages of the orgone energy within the body. He conducted clinical tests of the orgone accumulator on people suffering from a variety of illnesses. The patient would sit within the accumulator and absorb the "concentrated orgone energy". He built smaller, more portable accumulator-blankets of the same layered construction for application to parts of the body. The effects observed were claimed to boost the immune system, even to the point of destroying certain types of tumors, though Reich was hesitant to claim this constituted a "cure." The orgone accumulator was also tested on mice with cancer, and on plant-growth, the results convincing Reich that the benefits of orgone therapy could not be attributed to a placebo effect. He had, he believed, developed a grand unified theory of physical and mental health. [9] [edit] Orgone experiment with Einstein In 1940, Reich wrote to Albert Einstein saying he had a scientific discovery he wanted to discuss, and on January 13, 1941, he went to visit Einstein in Princeton. They talked for five hours, and Einstein agreed to test an orgone accumulator, which Reich had made out of a Faraday cage made of galvanized steel and insulated by wood and paper on the outside. Einstein agreed with Reich that if, as Reich suggested, an object's temperature could be raised without an apparent heating source, it would be "a bomb" in physics. Reich supplied the device during their second meeting, and Einstein performed the experiment in his basement, which involved taking the temperature atop, inside, and near the device. He also stripped the device down to its Faraday cage to compare temperatures. Over the course of a week, in both cases, Einstein observed a rise in temperature, and confirmed Reich's finding in a published letter. Since Einstein could offer no explanation for the finding, Reich concluded that the heat was the result of a novel form of energy?orgone energy?that had accumulated inside the Faraday cage. However, one of Einstein's colleagues at Princeton, the Polish physicist Leopold Infeld, interpreted the phenomenon as resulting from thermal convection currents, though he failed to provide an experimental demonstration of his contention. Einstein concurred that the experiment could be explained by convection. Over the next three years of correspondence, Reich and Einstein disagreed on the interpretation of the experiment. The entire correspondence between Reich and Einstein was published by Reich's press as The Einstein Affair in 1953. In 2001, the Canadian researchers Paulo Correa and Alexandra Correa reproduced the experiment and introduced controls that they say rule out the possibility of convection as an explanation. A similar experiment was independently carried out by the alternative energy activist and journalist Eugene Mallove. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lattaj at umich.edu Mon Feb 27 17:15:02 2006 From: lattaj at umich.edu (John Latta) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:15:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [New-Poetry] Cloudbusting In-Reply-To: <20060227220928.18752.qmail@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060227220928.18752.qmail@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I learned it all out of an old _National Geographic_ I found in the dump, circa 1967-8. On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Paul Murphy wrote: > Orgone accumulators and cloudbusters > > Reich with a "cloudbuster"In March 1938, Hitler > annexed Austria. Reich's ex-wife and daughters had > already left for the U.S., and in August 1939, Reich > sailed out of Norway on the last boat to leave before > the war began. He settled in Forest Hills, Long > Island, and in 1946, married Ilse Ollendorf, with whom > he had a son, Peter. > > It was during this period, according to some > researchers, that Reich appeared to suffer a > breakdown. They say that he became paranoid and > revised parts of his earlier works to remove > references to Marxist theory. [7] Reich's defenders > say that Reich's revisions were minor, confined only > to the English-speaking American period of his work, > and were primarily sexological, clinical, or > scientific in nature. Reich was one of the first of > the European socialists to break ranks completely with > the Communist Party; for example, in his book Mass > Psychology of Fascism, which he wrote after a trip to > Russia, he identified communism as "Red Fascism". His > defenders say that the charge of paranoia is intended > to discredit Reich's critique of Marxism. American > writer Jim Martin alleges that many of those who have > attacked Reich's biophysical research?on the orgone > accumulator, for example?are themselves leftist and > Marxist (Martin 2000). > > In 1940, Reich built boxes ? orgone accumulators ? to > concentrate orgone energy in the atmosphere, some for > lab animals, and some large enough for a human being > to sit inside. He now believed orgone was a type of > primordial cosmic energy, blue in color, which he > claimed was omnipresent and responsible for such > things as weather, the color of the sky, gravity, the > formation of galaxies, and the biological expressions > of emotion and sexuality. Composed of alternating > layers of ferrous metals and insulators with a > high-dielectrical constant, his orgone accumulators > had the appearance of a large hollow "capacitor". He > believed that sitting inside the box might provide a > treatment for cancer and other illnesses. It was the > construction of these boxes that caught the attention > of the press, and wild rumors spread that they were > "sex boxes" which caused uncontrollable erections. [8] > > Reich also designed a "cloudbuster" with which he said > he could manipulate streams of orgone energy in the > atmosphere to induce rain by forcing clouds to form > and disperse. Based on experiments with the orgone > accumulator, he argued that orgone energy was a > negatively-entropic force in nature which was > responsible for concentrating and organizing matter. > During one drought-relief expedition to Arizona, he > claimed to have observed UFOs, and speculated that > orgone might be used for the propulsion of UFOs. > > According to his theory, illness was primarily caused > by depletion or blockages of the orgone energy within > the body. He conducted clinical tests of the orgone > accumulator on people suffering from a variety of > illnesses. The patient would sit within the > accumulator and absorb the "concentrated orgone > energy". He built smaller, more portable > accumulator-blankets of the same layered construction > for application to parts of the body. The effects > observed were claimed to boost the immune system, even > to the point of destroying certain types of tumors, > though Reich was hesitant to claim this constituted a > "cure." The orgone accumulator was also tested on mice > with cancer, and on plant-growth, the results > convincing Reich that the benefits of orgone therapy > could not be attributed to a placebo effect. He had, > he believed, developed a grand unified theory of > physical and mental health. [9] > > [edit] > Orgone experiment with Einstein > In 1940, Reich wrote to Albert Einstein saying he had > a scientific discovery he wanted to discuss, and on > January 13, 1941, he went to visit Einstein in > Princeton. They talked for five hours, and Einstein > agreed to test an orgone accumulator, which Reich had > made out of a Faraday cage made of galvanized steel > and insulated by wood and paper on the outside. > Einstein agreed with Reich that if, as Reich > suggested, an object's temperature could be raised > without an apparent heating source, it would be "a > bomb" in physics. > > Reich supplied the device during their second meeting, > and Einstein performed the experiment in his basement, > which involved taking the temperature atop, inside, > and near the device. He also stripped the device down > to its Faraday cage to compare temperatures. Over the > course of a week, in both cases, Einstein observed a > rise in temperature, and confirmed Reich's finding in > a published letter. Since Einstein could offer no > explanation for the finding, Reich concluded that the > heat was the result of a novel form of energy?orgone > energy?that had accumulated inside the Faraday cage. > However, one of Einstein's colleagues at Princeton, > the Polish physicist Leopold Infeld, interpreted the > phenomenon as resulting from thermal convection > currents, though he failed to provide an experimental > demonstration of his contention. Einstein concurred > that the experiment could be explained by convection. > > Over the next three years of correspondence, Reich and > Einstein disagreed on the interpretation of the > experiment. The entire correspondence between Reich > and Einstein was published by Reich's press as The > Einstein Affair in 1953. In 2001, the Canadian > researchers Paulo Correa and Alexandra Correa > reproduced the experiment and introduced controls that > they say rule out the possibility of convection as an > explanation. A similar experiment was independently > carried out by the alternative energy activist and > journalist Eugene Mallove. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > From JforJames at aol.com Mon Feb 27 17:47:04 2006 From: JforJames at aol.com (JforJames at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:47:04 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Cloudbusting Message-ID: <259.7940a7f.3134db68@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2006 5:15:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, lattaj at umich.edu writes: I learned it all out of an old _National Geographic_ I found in the dump, circa 1967-8. It was good album by Kate Bush; if you like atmospheric pop divas. _http://launch.yahoo.com/ar-292306---Kate-Bush_ (http://launch.yahoo.com/ar-292306---Kate-Bush) Jim F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamd at ripon.edu Mon Feb 27 17:51:07 2006 From: grahamd at ripon.edu (David Graham) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:51:07 -0600 Subject: [New-Poetry] Cloudbusting In-Reply-To: <259.7940a7f.3134db68@aol.com> Message-ID: And speaking of Wallace Stevens: The angel flew round with the clouds, And the clouds flew round and the clouds flew round And the clouds flew round with the clouds. On 2/27/06 4:47 PM, "JforJames at aol.com" wrote: > In a message dated 2/27/2006 5:15:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > lattaj at umich.edu writes: >> I learned it all out of an old _National Geographic_ I found in the dump, >> circa 1967-8. > It was good album by Kate Bush; if you like atmospheric pop divas. > http://launch.yahoo.com/ar-292306---Kate-Bush > Jim F > ==================================================== David Graham grahamd at ripon.edu Home Page: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/index.html Poetry Library: http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html ==================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From AlMaginnes at aol.com Mon Feb 27 17:59:07 2006 From: AlMaginnes at aol.com (AlMaginnes at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:59:07 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Cloudbusting Message-ID: <2cc.41de802.3134de3b@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2006 5:47:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, JforJames at aol.com writes: It was good album by Kate Bush; if you like atmospheric pop divas. I never liked Kate Bush's music much, but loved her album covers... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From William_Knott at emerson.edu Mon Feb 27 19:31:39 2006 From: William_Knott at emerson.edu (William Knott) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:31:39 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] stevens and wife References: <200602272135.k1RLZa8Z002900@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Message-ID: <926B4A8D55661047B1353EC03E69CE2D09529CA2@mail.emerson.edu> i believe he called her 'Kit'... which i used in my obscene parody below: THE TWO-ROOM THEORY Call the masturbator, the muscular one, and bid him whip his big cock till it fills our mouths with cups and cups of cum. Tell the whores to dress in undress and use their clothes to get the boys hot: our cocks are white and dirty as old-rolled-up newspapers and want to spout flowers. Let the birds and bees final-anal my seem, sow, sew their seed into my slit my seam. The only emperor is this emptier of cumcream. Hi hum, hic he, another office party at Hartford Surety. These prissdressers, they see me as ideal: well, I do try to please my wife, that frigidess?I grab her knobs, I squeezey lick those glass tits but even the big cigar, Father Freud, couldn't whip Kit's ice-cold B-cups to a curdle. Try anything, suck her toes, kiss her feet to make her horny and she just lies there numb on that damn dumb sheet she sews fannytails across but ask her to sow her butt, to spread her asscrack just once she won't. She won't. Nope. Let my lamp, my limp lump dick affix its fucks, be its cum. The only emperor I am is a jack-off chump. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Tue Feb 28 08:56:10 2006 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:56:10 EST Subject: [New-Poetry] Mr. and Mrs. Stevens Message-ID: In a message dated 2/27/2006 1:31:31 PM Central Standard Time, rwilsnac at medicine.nodak.edu writes: > > As long as you are going to query the Stevens list, you might also try to > verify or debunk a folk tale I heard in college, that Mrs. Stevens was unaware > of her husband's poetry-writing, in part because he deliberately kept her > unaware. > No, early in their relationship he made little books for her, and while they were in New York she used to go with him to Walter Arensburg's salon. She found his work "affected" after he began to develop as a poet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 08:57:18 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:57:18 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] National Book Award Winners Message-ID: <731bb17a0602280557p6252b904t1f8d9911424e9e72@mail.gmail.com> >From www.pw.org MERWIN, VOLLMANN, AND DIDION WIN NATIONAL BOOK AWARDS The National Book Foundation recently announced the winners of the 2005 National Book Awards. W.S. Merwin won the award in poetry for *Migration: New and Selected Poems *(Copper Canyon Press, 2005). The author of fifteen books of poetry and nearly twenty books of translation, Merwin is no stranger to the National Book Foundation: He has been a National Book Award finalist seven previous times. William T. Vollmann won the award in fiction for *Europe Central *(Viking, 2005). Vollmann is the author of more than twelve books of fiction and nonfiction, including the seven-volume history of violence *Rising Up and Rising Down* (McSweeney's, 2003), for which he was named a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award in 2003. He was also the recipient of a 1988 Whiting Writers' Award and a 1997 PEN Center USA West Award for Fiction. Joan Didion won in nonfiction for *The Year of Magical Thinking* (Knopf, 2005). She is the author of five novels and seven books of nonfiction, including *Slouching Towards Bethlehem* (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 1968), *Play It As It Lays* (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 1970), and *The White Album*(Simon & Schuster, 1979). Each winner received $10,000. The National Book Foundation also presented two lifetime achievement awards. Norman Mailer received the 2005 Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters, and Lawrence Ferlinghetti received the inaugural Literarian Award for Outstanding Service to the American Literary Community. Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 08:58:45 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:58:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Book Critics Circle Awards Message-ID: <731bb17a0602280558o4cd3c65br29813dc7cb6b843@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if anyone's posted this or not . . . NATIONAL BOOK CRITICS CIRCLE NOMINATES BEST BOOKS OF 2005 The National Book Critics Circle, a nonprofit organization composed of 500 book critics and reviewers from across the country, recently announced the finalists for the 2005 book awards. The winners in each category?poetry, fiction, nonfiction, autobiography, criticism, and biography?will be named on March 3. *The Finalists in Poetry* Simon Armitage for *The Shout* (Harcourt) Manuel Blas de Luna for *Bent to Earth *(Carnegie Mellon University Press) Jack Gilbert for *Refusing Heaven* (Knopf) Richard Siken for *Crush* (Yale University Press) Ron Slate for *The Incentive of the Maggot* (Houghton Mifflin) Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From almaginnes at aol.com Tue Feb 28 09:11:31 2006 From: almaginnes at aol.com (almaginnes at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:11:31 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Book Critics Circle Awards In-Reply-To: <731bb17a0602280558o4cd3c65br29813dc7cb6b843@mail.gmail.com> References: <731bb17a0602280558o4cd3c65br29813dc7cb6b843@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C80A880214FBEE-ADC-12FCB@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com> Jesus. If Gilbert doesn't get the nod, there is something seriously wrong with criticism in this country. The fact that some of the finalists are finalists should give somebody pause. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Newberry To: NewPoetry Sent: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:58:45 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Book Critics Circle Awards I don't know if anyone's posted this or not . . . NATIONAL BOOK CRITICS CIRCLE NOMINATES BEST BOOKS OF 2005 The National Book Critics Circle, a nonprofit organization composed of 500 book critics and reviewers from across the country, recently announced the finalists for the 2005 book awards. The winners in each category?poetry, fiction, nonfiction, autobiography, criticism, and biography?will be named on March 3. The Finalists in Poetry Simon Armitage for The Shout (Harcourt) Manuel Blas de Luna for Bent to Earth (Carnegie Mellon University Press) Jack Gilbert for Refusing Heaven (Knopf) Richard Siken for Crush (Yale University Press) Ron Slate for The Incentive of the Maggot (Houghton Mifflin) Jeff Newberry -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ New-Poetry mailing list New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From queenmouse at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 09:48:09 2006 From: queenmouse at gmail.com (Suzanne Burns) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:48:09 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Book Critics Circle Awards In-Reply-To: <8C80A880214FBEE-ADC-12FCB@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com> References: <731bb17a0602280558o4cd3c65br29813dc7cb6b843@mail.gmail.com> <8C80A880214FBEE-ADC-12FCB@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Jack is the obvious choice. Glaringly obvious. A "lifetime achievement" nod alone should get him this award, and if he doesn't get it.... Well, my inner WTF-Meter will be stuck in overdrive. --Suzanne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rog3r.day at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 10:00:04 2006 From: rog3r.day at gmail.com (Roger Day) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:00:04 +0000 Subject: [New-Poetry] Cloudbusting In-Reply-To: <12f.6f2b750f.3134dd36@aol.com> References: <12f.6f2b750f.3134dd36@aol.com> Message-ID: nice album. I recently acquired it and it's as good as it ever was. As to cloudbusting, the er, science, google is your friend: http://www.cloudbusting.org/ Roger On 2/27/06, JforJames at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/27/2006 5:51:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > grahamd at ripon.edu writes: > It was good album by Kate Bush; if you like atmospheric pop divas. > http://launch.yahoo.com/ar-292306---Kate-Bush > Jim F > > Correction...album was "Hounds of Love." Song track: "Cloudbusting." > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- http://www.badstep.net/ http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/ From jeff.newberry at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 10:41:27 2006 From: jeff.newberry at gmail.com (Jeff Newberry) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:41:27 -0500 Subject: [New-Poetry] Book Critics Circle Awards In-Reply-To: References: <731bb17a0602280558o4cd3c65br29813dc7cb6b843@mail.gmail.com> <8C80A880214FBEE-ADC-12FCB@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <731bb17a0602280741r1d2eac3r71b06a5e76c2a48c@mail.gmail.com> Suzanne, I absolutly love "Inner WTF-Meter." Priceless. Thanks for a mid-morning laugh. Jeff On 2/28/06, Suzanne Burns wrote: > > Jack is the obvious choice. Glaringly obvious. A "lifetime achievement" > nod alone should get him this award, and if he doesn't get it.... > > Well, my inner WTF-Meter will be stuck in overdrive. > > --Suzanne > > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > > > -- "Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death." --Miguel de Unamuno Blog: http://museoffireblog.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cervantes.james at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 11:10:29 2006 From: cervantes.james at gmail.com (James Cervantes) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:10:29 -0700 Subject: [New-Poetry] Re: Mr. and Mrs. Stevens In-Reply-To: <46.7b126e22.3135afe8@cs.com> References: <46.7b126e22.3135afe8@cs.com> Message-ID: <648208b60602280810q3e33840dge937c61723c37b77@mail.gmail.com> On 2/28/06, Rsgwynn1 at cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/27/2006 12:21:09 PM Central Standard Time, > cervantes.james at gmail.com writes: > > > > X-INFO: INVALID TO LINE > > Cheery guy. He was an actuary, wasn't he? > > > > - Jim > Surety claims attorney. > > Mr. Finnegan has already informed me of that fact. I was actually responding somewhat tongue-in-cheek to the cold matter-of-factness of the poem. - Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Homepages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org From cstroffo at earthlink.net Tue Feb 28 11:50:20 2006 From: cstroffo at earthlink.net (Chris Stroffolino ) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:50:20 -0800 Subject: [New-Poetry] stevens and wife Message-ID: <200602281623.k1SGNvvD030418@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> "So And So Reclining On Her Couch" ain't got nuthin on this, Mr. Knott! ---------- >From: "William Knott" >To: >Subject: [New-Poetry] stevens and wife >Date: Mon, Feb 27, 2006, 4:31 PM > > > i believe he called her 'Kit'... > which i used in my obscene > parody below: > > > THE TWO-ROOM THEORY > > Call the masturbator, > the muscular one, > and bid him whip his big cock > till it fills our mouths > with cups and cups of cum. > Tell the whores to dress > in undress and use their clothes > to get the boys hot: our cocks > are white and dirty as > old-rolled-up newspapers > and want to spout flowers. > Let the birds and bees > final-anal my seem, sow, > sew their seed > into my slit my seam. > The only emperor is > this emptier of cumcream. > > Hi hum, hic he, another > office party at Hartford Surety. > These prissdressers, > they see me as ideal: well, > I do try to please my wife, > that frigidess?I grab her knobs, > I squeezey lick those glass tits > but even the big cigar, Father > Freud, couldn't whip Kit's > ice-cold B-cups to a curdle. > Try anything, suck her toes, > kiss her feet to make her horny > and she just lies there numb on > that damn dumb sheet she > sews fannytails across but > ask her to sow her butt, to > spread her asscrack just once > she won't. She won't. Nope. > Let my lamp, my limp lump dick > affix its fucks, be its cum. > The only emperor I am > is a jack-off chump. > > > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry at wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry > From clitophon at yahoo.com Tue Feb 28 15:57:44 2006 From: clitophon at yahoo.com (Paul Murphy) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:57:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [New-Poetry] WR In-Reply-To: <20060224143026.49655.qmail@web36515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060228205744.19123.qmail@web36509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> have you heard of the cloudbusting apparatus or the orgone accumulator? the brainchild of Wilhelm Reich, a student of Freud who fled to the US in 1939. Before that he had been a relative nut (ie he advocated free contraception and abortion on demand. These are all now deemed to be human rights in the West. he also saw Communism as ?red fascism? after visiting the USSR and viewed fascism itself as being the result of mass sexual neurosis which could only be ?cured? by better, more fulfilling orgasms. Apparantly he thought that neurosis was a consequence of an unfulfilled sex life or of repression or both, but also see Freud with whom he had many disagreements. Freud believed that repression was necessary for the proper functioning of society. Without repression, civilisation itself would not exist, therefore the mechanism of the Oedipus Complex and other fundamental taboos and unwritten laws of civilisation are necessary for the survival of civilisation. But Reich argued that repression created the mass sexual neurosis which resulted in fascism. See also his work ?The Mass Psychology of Fascism?. Actually a very lucid book and stimulating reading, as are many of his other books but you can find a full reading list at wikipedia. In contrast, Freud?s work is mostly sober explanatory prose, accessible to most generally educated readers.) but when he arrived in the US, everything went (barmy). He evolved several types of innovative machines, coined the term orgone energy, saw UFOs in the sky and made rain fall for local farmers. (apparantly they paid him...) Then the US state department forbade Reich selling his machines. He was eventually caught transporting one over a State border (he also had helpers which is very unusual for a nut...). Reich was arrested but before he could make it to court, died of a heart attack. There have always been allegations of police brutality surrounding his death. The strange thing is that the court ordered all papers and documents relating to orgone and the machines, to be burnt. This I find very strange indeed. Although the ideas and theories were untestable in scientific terms, I can?t see what harm they could possibly have been doing? or what harm he could have been doing in selling his machines, unless the state decided that he was trying to obtain money from a fraudulent scheme and decided to clamp down on it. (but why don?t they also clamp down on coke, Big Macs?????) Einstein tested the orgone accumulator and agreed that energy of some kind accumulated in the machine, but also agreed with another scientist who thought it was heat produced via convection, ie warm air rises. Surely if Reich?s ideas were mad rubbish, the best thing for the State to do was to let everyone see what a lot of bullshit they were and the only way to allow this to happen was through open debate and dialogue not through banning and censorship? (it must be said that the State was pretty censorious at this time - 1956 - and far more so than it is today.) You can read more at wikipedia. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com